Joe Asks Former CIA Officer Mike Baker About the FBI Trump Raid

the jurogan experience what do you think of this this the raid was that justified um well i'll caveat this by saying it's it's speculation because i you know i haven't seen the affidavit no i you know not many people have so um but then i'll start by saying it's yet another uh self-inflicted wound by trump right he didn't need to end up like that he the departure from the white house was fairly chaotic as you can imagine right that's just the nature of what they were doing they you know there wasn't it wasn't the level of of uh organization it wasn't a very buttoned up administration right and it was in part because they had a lot of churn and and personnel and all this but you know you can you can argue that every administration has some back and forth with the national archives over what is and isn't presidential record what they can keep as their own personal material and what has to be the government like what's the what would be a reason well i mean if it's if they consider it personal correspondence or they consider it um you know information that that um you know is not uh classified and and is just material that you know one day can end up in a presidential library or they can use to write a book when they finish up and they want to you know make a few hundred million dollars on a book then fine but there's always typically some back and forth that goes on about okay what is and what what what isn't and what can we get but you know that requires a process right and that requires you know there's this protocols involved for saying what you can what you can take with you right and but you can and so if they had done that if they'd done the right thing they wouldn't have ended up in this situation and what they did was they once again you know trump is able to like suck all the oxygen out of the room right and and it's just it's one of those things that i think was just unnecessary was it was it was the raid justified uh i don't know because i don't know what what the specific documents were that they're really had at jones about they were been negotiating this for some time right they'd been talking to them and going back and forth and they discussed what you know what they had and how is it stored and all the rest of it and they'd gotten 15 or so boxes earlier um why they didn't just do that all in one you know effort and say okay we need we have more documents maybe it was taken the archives a while to understand what was and wasn't in the materials that were returned or was so i i don't know i just you have suspicions that it was a political maneuver uh it was that the design was to cast more bad light on trump and eliminate him from the 2024 elections or well try to figure out a way to diminish his appeal yeah i mean i think that's there were there politics in the sense that um you know a lot of you know folks up on capitol hill or took delight in it right and and found it to be you know uh a really good piece of entertainment but if you say politics from the the fbi's perspective um from the department of justice's perspective um i mean i know a number of of guys that work for the bureau and i know them to be really solid people they're just they're street guys they're investigators they do their job they're very very good i don't know anybody senior in the doj or at the bureau so i don't know how politicized they are and whether that played into it or not but i you know people that are actually engaged in the in the search you know that show up uh at mar-a-lago they're doing their job right and they've been told this is what we have to do you know i think that it was such an extraordinary step and so unprecedented that um you know maybe i'll be proven wrong once they release the affidavit and we all find out what was what was sitting there but i can't open think that they they had a reason why they said no we can't we can't just keep dragging along here because we're not getting the responses we need so we do need to go in we need to knock on the door and say look we gotta you know now i i do suspect that they could have approached it differently you know and not had the presence they had and everything but um who knows again it's this is the problem we live in in this world today there's immediately after that took place there were people on the left and people on the right who were absolutely sure they had exactly the information to make a decision about what this meant and and why it was done or why you know why it shouldn't have been done and that's part of our problem you know you know the unsatisfying answer is you got to wait and find out what exactly occurred to see whether it was justified or not but nobody wants to hear that right it's like after a terrorism incident everybody wants an answer immediately right well it's an investigation and those things take time you know all i can say is the folks i know at the bureau are really quality people but do people at the top of an organization are they more politicized well sure there's a tendency for that to happen right because that's you know they've been around a long time they're at that at that position because you know they work closely with you know politicos or whatever but yeah it doesn't really answer your question i've just spent a lot of time talking in circles but well it's just it's all it's so confusing for someone like me that's like going well what is what's going on here is this all is there more than meets the eye or is this like clearly an example of him doing something that is 100 forbidden but he feels like he can do it because he's donald trump and he feels like the rules don't apply to him i mean that's the that's what the fear is right yeah yeah well i think i think he's he's certainly always pushed the envelope i don't think it's any it nobody can really argue the fact that he's kind of used his own playbook right all along and and you know you can't just say and then people he's he's saying things like well i declassified the documents you know they're all declassified well you can't just click your heels and say these documents are declassified right there's a process that takes place otherwise it's a complete [ __ ] goat robe right nobody knows what's classified what's not you know you can't just in your presidential head say okay i'm declassifying everything related to you know whatever this was does a president have the ability to declassify things sure unilaterally yeah unilaterally so he could declassify documents and then conceivably store these documents yeah but there's a process for that right i mean did he not go through the process based on what has been reported so far but again without the affidavit without the specific details who knows but if there's documentation that's not cataloged and marked as declassified right that's again that you know it has to show that if you've got a document that's you know top secret you know code word and you look at it and it's marked top secret you know um code word then [Music] you know you have to assume it's still classified right and there's a mere fact of him saying oh no you know last year i declassified that it's that doesn't hold water you can't you know he has to follow protocol and that's where i think he slips up is he doesn't necessarily believe that applies to him or he's just not you know it's just not the nature of he's not compliant yeah so and then he's isn't he suing now to get documents back yeah he is and also to have information not um not released i i think part of this problem again it kind of goes back to what we're talking about before with the transparency of the us government when they talked about this in this whole conference room in doj wherever they talked about it and they said uh you know we're thinking about conducting a raid and the bureau doesn't like to use the word raid or doj doesn't like to use word raid but when they say we're talking about doing a raid on the on the home of the former president they probably should once again from a messaging perspective step back and thought to themselves okay what is what does that mean how are we going to justify this not that they have to but they should have known how what a firestorm it was going to create and so they should have had that completely buttoned up and ready to go the moment they were going to do it and be as transparent within the limitations of what they can do of what they were doing and why they were doing it be because if they don't they create all that open space right and that's where everyone jumps in and starts declaring what exactly happened without knowing what the [ __ ] happened right and then you get all this misinformation and disinformation and and it's another [ __ ] you know goat rope so it's it you know it's a it's a process that i think you know they the attorney general probably should have uh handled better because he had to authorize it they also had to go in if the white house says they didn't know anything about it that's where i'm going to call [ __ ] at the white house saying we had no idea that the ag was authorized to search the president's former president's home yeah probably that's not the case they're going to have you hey you have to assume they got to walk in sit down and say sir we got a little something we got to talk to you about and just let you know this is coming down the pike yeah so how does that play out you think you think that is it nothing is it all much ado about nothing and will not impact him or will it be a significant factor yeah i think i'm gonna lose that thousand dollars to you because i think it's i think he's gonna run again i don't think it's gonna stop him from from running um i think they'll uh they'll realize this you know the the the hard left is saying oh he's got you know the world's most dangerous secrets held at mar-a-lago right and the right is saying you know he declassified it all there's nothing there and the truth is like it typically is somewhere probably in the middle and in the middle they're probably going to realize they don't have anything to indict them on i could do it's going to be like all these other things that they were kind of going after and yeah um so i'll be cutting you a check if you take a chance i could venmo you or paypal yeah yeah we'll do that yeah i do those things nowadays yes so for someone like me who's on the outside just trying to pay attention to as little as i can and still talk about it it's very confusing yeah it is uh it's odd it's [ __ ] odd um if you think about it i mean we could end up with biden and trump running again in 2024. i don't think biden's gonna run i don't think it's possible i think he's so deteriorated i think he's gotten to this point where you know we're only two years in and he's already completely fallen apart where he can't form sentences anymore i can't imagine they're going to look at him as a viable candidate in 2024 i mean a large percentage of the democrats don't want him to run yeah that seems to be the case for sure and no one's excited about kamal harris they got that lady tucked away somewhere god i i don't know what she's doing i really don't know what a job is anymore but um but you're right the problem is he's gonna have to make that call right so he's got to make that decision to say i'm not running in 2024. therefore he clears the decks and then you get this mad scramble of a couple dozen people chasing him because i think you're right in in in previous times they would have deferred to the vp right i don't think they're going to do that yeah they're not going to they're not going to do that so you're going to have this this uh this free for all um where you get people like gavin newsom pete boudej uh probably bernie sanders again and yeah i think he's even older than biden i know but he's entertaining um and uh you get you're just gonna get a host of characters coming in uh because i don't think they're going to say fine we'll clear the decks for for harris so i agree with you 100 on that one but um it doesn't look good yeah it does well there's no like real like exciting options 330 plus million people i forget what the population of the u.s is nowadays but 330 plus million people and these are the options we get nobody wants to do that job it's a terrible job well plus you also get the primaries and they vote for the hard edge you know so you get that person who says i'm all for you know clean energy yeah climate change is the number one problem vote for me and then you get the people on the far right that say i'm all about banning abortion and contraception and porn and so the hard right you know maybe the conservatives on the hard right vote for them and that's what happens in the primaries unfortunately because you get the registered people that are voting and you get that self selection that just [ __ ] us over

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Published: Wed Aug 24 2022