>> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY,
WE'RE BACK HERE WITH THE AUTHORS OF "SHE SAID," JODI KANTOR AND
MEGAN TWOHEY OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES." LET ME ASK YOU THIS: IT FELT TO
ME-- AND IT HAS FELT TO ME THE LAST TWO YEARS-- LIKE A
NONVIOLENT REVOLUTION THAT IS A REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE IN HOW WE
THINK ABOUT SEXUAL BEHAVIOR, CERTAINLY IN THE WORKPLACE. WHY HASN'T THAT REVOLUTION SWEPT
UP IN ANY WAY A MAN WHO'S BEEN ACCUSED 17 TIMES, CREDIBLY, OF
SEXUAL ASSAULT, DONALD TRUMP? WHY IS HE UNTOUCHED BY ANY OF
THIS? DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT,
THAT OR AN IDEA? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, IN 2016 I WAS
ONE OF THE REPORTERS WHO WORKED ON THE FIRST STORIES OF WOMEN
COMING FORWARD WITH ALLEGATIONS AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND, ACTUALLY, WHEN WE-- WELL,
HE'S THEN-CANDIDATE TRUMP. AND WHEN WE GOT BACK FROM BOOK
LEAVE TWO MONTHS AGO, THE VERY FIRST STORY I DID BACK ON THE
JOB WAS E. JOON CARROLL WHO WAS THE MOST RECENT WOMAN TO COME
FORWARD WITH A SERIOUS ALLEGATION, BASICALLY RAPE,
AGAINST TRUMP. AND JODI AND I SPENT A LOT OF
TIME WONDERING ABOUT WHY SOME STORIES STICK AND OTHERS DON'T? WE FOUND TIME AND AGAIN WHEN
THESE ALLEGATIONS PUSH INTO THE POLITICAL REALM, WHETHER A
DEMOCRAT, A REPUBLICAN, WHETHER IT'S TRUMP, GOING BACK OVER THE
YEARS, THEY QUICKLY DESCEND INTO HOLY WAR, AND OFTENTIMES THE
WOMEN BASICALLY ARE ALMOST FORGOTTEN AS BOTH POLITICAL
SIDES GO TO WAR AGAINST EACH OTHER. >> Stephen: WELL, THERE'S A
LEVEL OF TRIBALISM THERE, I SUPPOSE, THAT NO ONE-- NO ONE
FORMS THEIR IDENTITY IN ASSOCIATION WITH HARVEY
WEINSTEIN, NECESSARILY, BUT A PARTICULAR POLITICIAN OR A
POLITICAL FIGURE IS PART OF THEIR IDENTITY, AND IF THEY'RE
GUILTY, SOMEHOW I'M GUILTY FOR SUPPORTING THEM. >> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. AND WHAT WE SHOW IS OUR BOOK
STARTS WITH TRUMP, THE REPORTING ON TRUMP, AND THEN GRADUATES TO
THE REPORTING ON WEINSTEIN, AND THEN PUSH THROUGHS. WE DIDN'T WANT TO STOP WITH
WEINSTEIN. WE WANTED TO PUSH THROUGH TO THE
COMPLICATED YEAR THAT FOLLOWED. >> Stephen: YOU TALK ABOUT
KAVANAUGH. >> ONCE AGAIN, BACK INTO THE
POLITICAL REALM. >> Stephen: WHY WAS IT
IMPORTANT FOR YOU FOR THAT. >> WE FOUND SHE WAS ONE OF THE
POLARIZING FIGURES. SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT SHE WAS A
VILLAIN. SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT SHE WAS A
HERO. WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO PIECE
TOGETHER HER BACKSTORY TO TESTIFYING IN WASHINGTON, WE
REALIZED IT WAS SO MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THAN EITHER SIDE
KNEW. >> Stephen: NOW YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT-- YOU'RE DOING REPORTING, THE TWO OF YOU, ON EPSTEIN. ARE YOU REPORTING ON SEXUAL
CRIMES AND SEXUAL ABUSE NOW IN A DIFFERENT AT MOTT FEAR, IN A
DIFFERENT WORLD, THAN THE WORST YOU WERE IN WHEN YOU FIRST
PUBLISHES THESE STORIES? IS IT A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT? >> YOU KNOW, WHAT IS SO STRIKING
ABOUT EPSTEIN IS HOW REMINISCENT IT IS OF THE WEINSTEIN STORY IN
SOME WAYS. OBVIOUSLY, NOT IN ALL OF THE
PARTICULARS. BUT THIS SPHEELG OF THIS IS
VASTER THAN WE EVER COULD HAVE IMAGINED. AND THERE'S THIS VANEAR OF
PRIVILEGE THAT IS HIDING SOMETHING VERY ROTTEN AND, YOU
KNOW, AND COMPLICITY AND ENABLING. HOW COULD-- HOW COULD ALL OF
THESE PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN SWEPT UP INTO ACTUALLY HELPING WITH
ABUSE? SO THERE'S A BIT OF A FEELING OF
DEJA VU FOR US. >> Stephen: WELL, JODI, MEGAN,
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THE BOOK IS "SHE SAID." IT'S AVAILABLE NOW. JODI KANTOR, MEGAN TWOHEY,
EVERYBODY. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. <i> ( CHRS AND APPLAUSE )</i>
