It Took Him Up a Mountain | Missing 411 | Episode 48

all right what's up guys welcome back to the lore lodge i'm aiden mattis this is thornbussie and uh we are exhausted because we spent the weekend traveling why did we spend the weekend traveling to give you content exactly content that was very expensive to produce yeah so we're hoping you guys like this one and we're hoping it's worth it because we uh we really spent some money on this one um and it's it's we're really proud of it we're really excited we had a great time met some awesome people had some great experiences and we're very excited to share them with you we're going to go over the trip on this show right now but uh also probably i'd say weekend after july 4th we'll probably have this out right uh let me look at account i don't know what your schedule time is for this but um yeah yeah probably the weekend after july 4th i think that's feasible all right uh we'll let you guys know if it's not going to be then but yeah into thin air we'll be premiering the first episode of our long-form uh documentary series on these missing 401 cases and we do not use any politis material it is entirely our own research our own interviews we have we had some interesting denials uh like for requests we requested comment from a number of people and we uh we did not get it um we also had some pretty crazy contradictions between the story that we had heard and the story that has been published and what people who were actually there told us so that's the part i'm most excited to get into and to talk about and to show you because we we got some of these interviews on camera um also very you know what i found the most interesting about it the number of people who did not know the story yeah so we you and i obviously knew all the details um the people we talked to one of the guys knew it through and through yeah um but a lot of the people we talked to some of them who we got on camera some who were just kind of like you know us gathering information were not aware of the story here they didn't know some of them didn't even know who he was the girls who were working the ice cream stand for example yeah um we uh we ran into when we were ordering ice cream a couple of girls who were working the ice cream stand and heard us interviewing somebody in the store and they were asking us about it and these are girls who uh the woman was 19. so she would have been 12 when tom went missing i you said that that it's understandable that she might not know i still think she'd at least be aware of it yeah i mean she may have been aware of it at the time and just like doesn't remember it but i don't know i don't find it that surprising what i found more surprising was that you know of the people that we did talk to like the first guy just how much he knew i mean granted he said he's grown up there you know his whole life he's you know he his kid was working the store that we were in and i i believe that this is his kid his name is kaden the kid yeah oh that's right shout out to you caden and your dad rich you were super cool dudes uh they sold us do you want to show everybody yes the the brant lake that we got so we're thinking about uh either we're going to use this to to furnish the studio and this is going to be our uh you know just just a souvenir for us but we were also thinking about doing a wood burning like getting a little wood burning kit and us signing it somewhere um each of us just writing our signature and then uh you know auctioning it off as a lore lodge like you know exclusive item that we got because i think it's pretty cool it's actually locally made so buying this actually did support the local brant lake economy which was something we wanted to do and it was nice to get uh this art and and get help to support the people who who helped us out oh yeah but also i want to give a shout out to the person who made it uh taboola rasa it is uh tabula rasa woodworks these are locally made up in the adirondacks near brant lake so if you want to check those out i would look that up i don't know if there's a website for it but you might be able to find them um so we'll have more information about that guy but to to get into our our first story today because we're going to talk about two missing 401 cases we're going to talk about our trip with tom messick a little bit later in the show and we're also going to talk about alfred beal hearts now you were napping for most of this yes so he might be hearing all this information for the first time too yes alfred bielhartz was a four-year-old boy who went missing in rocky mountain national park on july 4th 1938. now he was with his family and of course this was a very long time ago families were a lot bigger alfred was one of ten children to this family of uh actually didn't catch his parents names that was bad on my part probably should have looked into that so i but i so i wanna immediately start by by pointing out a few things um national park mountains caves um all sorts of craziness here and the the story as we get on toward the end is is pretty wild but essentially what was going on here is that they chose a very remote area of rocky mountain national park uh right by roaring river and they set up camp there and the plan was just i think spend a few days it was a pretty it's pretty isolated region but plan was spent a few days and then uh one day july 4th specifically they were on a quick hike over to estes park which is another park within rocky mountain national park because it's a good fishing area um you know it's 1938 fishing's kind of what you do yep in the midst of the great depression and so they walked over there and they lined the kids up apparently this was what they did they had them all line up and they marched on kind of like we would have done elementary school now the hike was not that far it was short enough that they believed their four-year-old son would have absolutely no trouble completing the hike yeah so it was probably fairly short i don't know the exact distance but over the course of this trip alfred disappeared and they immediately figured you know what he probably wandered off into the woods had to go to the bathroom something like that i personally am curious how none of his siblings noticed he went missing yeah um you know i when i was growing up i was super protective of my younger siblings i know this isn't something you'd understand i i was i was not one of the having sibling variety yeah this loser right here due to entirely it being his fault and nobody else's had no siblings i did not have the pleasure of being tormented by older or younger siblings i just had the pleasure of using my imagination in a basement to fill my time yeah that's cute yeah and we wonder why i became a film major it's okay i can be your older brother now it works for me yeah i bully you enough yeah it's valid it's mutual he bullies back it's funny yeah um but yeah so that was confusing me how did how did none of his siblings notice that he went missing but nobody did and immediately after realizing he was missing they went into probably panic mode but they what we know is that they searched the area they were looking around could not find alfred so they reported it to the park rangers park rangers came out and this started off a 10-day search rangers immediately made the assumption which uh when you assume what do you do aiden uh make an ass out of you and me exactly and they did make asses of themselves because they decided they wanted to search a creek so what did they do they damned the creek they dredged the creek and lo and behold no alfred so the they decided you know what let's let's maybe go back to square one and rather than just assuming that he's face down dead in the creek let's get some some bloodhounds in here let's do what we should have done at the beginning yeah uh now of course what concept yeah of course in the time that alfred had gone missing and they had launched the search less than 24 hours into the search another hiker reported that when he was hiking by mount chapin or chapin i'm not sure exactly how it's pronounced uh this was about six miles away from where alfred went missing he said that he and he knew he knew the search was active and he came and said hey uh when i was hiking over here i saw up about 500 feet above me on one of the mountain sides there's a little a little enclave and this is this is called uh devil's nest and it was like i you know i saw something up there i don't i don't know what it was but i it looked like a child up 500 feet up this mountain looked like they were peering down at me and then the child screamed and was dragged backwards out of sight so he went to the forest rangers and said all of this and they went yeah but that's six miles away and 500 feet up a mountain there's absolutely no way he could have gotten 500 feet up a mountain let alone six miles away in less than a day this is a four-year-old and it's not even terrain this is not simply like walking down a paved road when you're in a forest like that if you're making if you're averaging two miles an hour you're moving fast and that's for an adult like you and i i mean remember when we were up in brant lake we were trying to figure out how far sound would travel so i ran about 100 yards into the woods it took me 30 seconds to get there if that yeah i mean like meaning yeah if that that's at least 30 seconds for me to get yeah that's nothing that's the low end yeah i'm not you know i'm not an athlete anymore but i'm still a pretty in-shape guy like what i mean when it's dense forest like yeah so you know so if it took me 30 seconds to go 100 yards there's no way this kid made it six miles on his own in 24 hours no it's just not possible um also i discovered those jokes we make about you know oh i thought quicksand was going to be a much bigger issue i sank i s it's here it's uh ready for this and you might want to catch my leg ah i sank to here in mud in about a second and a half yep so not quite quicksand but quick mud yeah also by the way if you like the sweatshirt that i'm wearing you can see it says redacted it's very comfortable this sweatshirt is one that our patreon members get at the hundred dollar tier the redacted tier yeah but you can get it for a one-time payment of just fifty dollars at lorelodge.shop i know 50 may sound like a lot of money but hear me out a it's actually a pretty plain and simple hoodie there's not you know you could wear this with just about anything but also you know inflation our merch is actually cheaper than a lot of clothes you would buy at the store which is wild yeah because our markups aren't even 100 the recommended markup on what you're buying to resell is is a hundred percent yeah so we we only mark stuff up we yeah um from what they charge us so when you buy from us you know you're getting pretty good deals yeah that said moving back into the story they didn't look they did not consider that he could possibly have actually been sighted six miles away so instead they brought in the bloodhounds and lo and behold aiden the bloodhounds after they had just said there's no way he's 500 feet up a mountain the bloodhounds immediately led them 500 feet up a mountain no not the same mountain but the mountain that was right next to them yes a mountain nonetheless so the dogs went about 500 feet up a pretty steep face of the mountain yeah one that it was essentially impossible that a four-year-old could have climbed alone uh and not fallen to their death so they follow the blood hens up and what they get to is a little plateau and on that plateau the dogs just lie down they just stopped they which when that's what they're trained to do when they found what they're looking for they're trained to lay down in their stomachs that's the signal everyone looked around they went well there's clearly no child here uh these dogs must be defective these came out of the factory with bugs um they haven't been updated yeah the bloodhound factory just you know is not pushing out updates the way it needs to so instead they uh brought in a second team of bloodhounds and when surely these bloodhounds will lead us down into the riverbed and confirm that the creek that we just damned and dredged and absolutely does not have a child in it uh is where the child is when i said it doesn't seem like they were actually trying to find him i meant it yeah uh instead the dogs took the exact same path and went back up the mountain found the spot where the other dogs had been and laid down so either the bloodhounds did not do bloodhound things correctly or alfred was there at some point which means that within the first 24 hours of the search alfred probably immediately after he went missing was brought up to that plateau he would have had to have been carried oh yeah there's absolutely no other possibility whether by a human or by a wild animal was up for debate yeah but he would have had to have been carried so he gets up there and uh disappears and then is sighted again six miles away less than a day later 500 feet in the air so whatever on the top of the mountain uh on a plateau yeah but yeah not just like yeah just yeah yeah he was he was he was not floating considering the channel that we run it's an important clarification yeah it is an important clarification if you want to see people floating uh operation overlord uh the the scp short film fantastic check it out uh i love it it's very good i was thinking i think wendagoon's working with those guys on another screen too yeah yeah i thought you were gonna reference the new stranger things season no but also very good yeah very good season of stranger things right now yeah um but yeah so they despite it being their only actual lead they didn't investigate this six miles up thing they just said all right i would be willing to bet personally that if they brought the bloodhounds up there they would have found the scent um but instead after 10 days they basically say we've done all we can do search is over uh you know we'll keep an eye out we'll keep the case file open we'll let people know but in 1938 it's not 2020 2022 where you see someone and you can immediately call forest rangers you're gonna have to hike all the way back because there's no cell phones there's no portable technology for communication so you're gonna have to like all the way back let rangers know the hype range is gonna have to hike all the way there yeah and again this is a pretty secluded area of the park even if they had investigated it they probably wouldn't have found him what they did find over the course of the next few years was a bandage in an abandoned cabin and this bandage supposedly matched one that the uh that alfred was wearing i could not figure out exactly where the bandage was on alfred it took us like eight tries for me to say this correctly while we were filming um for for the recorded version of this story but they found a bandage that could have matched it uh the article i read said they tested the bandage but you can't dna test in 1938 so my guess is bloodhounds um no you know probably we're like all right does this match any of his belongings that they still had yeah i couldn't find exactly how long afterwards i think it was during the ten days during the search but um it didn't specify so uh and i want to be clear the region we're talking about i'm not sure if i said it earlier but we're talking about an area that reaches 101 degrees at a maximum in july and 53 degrees at a minimum in july so there was a pretty wild shift in temperature both heat stroke and also hypothermia are possible at that elevation um if he was up 500 feet the temperature drops very quickly yep windy it's entirely possible but if he was up on a mountain even if he had been physically safe that the elements would have gotten to him within 10 days and certainly if it was any longer now the abandoned cabin didn't leave any leads so they had two other ones uh later on somebody reported seeing a child that matched alfred's description with a man in nebraska but they could not get an identity for the man and so they couldn't follow up on the lead the other one was that a ransom note was sent to the bielhardt's family about a year later where they said we have your son we went out west with him he hasn't taken to us we'll return him for 500 bucks 500 in 1938 money is just under 10 2021 money um 2022 money who knows it's it's not even worth thinking about yeah uh i already make less money at my job than i was making when i started because of inflation oh that's yeah yeah you do too i know um so that's really exciting but yeah so they wanted essentially a 10 000 ransom they said they would return the boy within 24 hours if they got the ransom it was reported to the feds now here's what bugs me about this the federal government determined without investigation really just based off of the note uh this is just cruel hoax and put it to bed didn't do anything there was no attempt to gather the money and put it out and then stake it out and see if they could figure out who who was behind it which of course even if it was just a hoax they'd at least know who played the prank and could punish them because that's really not cool yeah it's also fraud um yeah so they you know i i think about that and i'm like why didn't they do that there's absolutely no way that nobody had the idea to stake out the ransom can all they wanted was 500 bucks a can at the end of the road it was just like a weirdly low amount well ten thousand dollars it's still yeah today's money i mean you know most it was probably just a hoax but they could have figured out who played the hoax that's my point yeah so they didn't really investigate at all and you know there's it's i'm certain that that neighborhood could dug up five 500 bucks between all of them i know it was 1938 the great depression but it was just at the end of it it was denver yeah so they're when i think about it that they absolutely the police department in denver could have been like hey we're trying to you know help this family get their son back everybody who can contribute or some or they could just go into their neighbors they could have spread it by word of mouth yeah there are so many possibilities honestly the federal government could have just the feds could have just given them 500 bucks without needing to go through all of that yeah it could have been we have the 500 here it is let's see uh instead they didn't do anything and alfred was never found it has been 84 years nothing uh and even if he was alive even if there was an opportunity to find him it's been so long that the chances of him being alive still are so low yeah pretty much slim to none now that said i don't i can't think of any uh natural rational explanation for for this disappearance because when you think about where the bloodhounds took them bloodhounds are pretty reliable if you think about where it took them we got to believe that at the very least alfred was 500 feet up that mountain at one point yeah how did somebody not only kidnap alfred but then carry him 500 feet up that mountain it doesn't make sense to me i don't get it anything you can think of i mean the first thing i thought of when we were looking at this was mountain lion maybe i mean it's you know a little odd but like if a mountain lion took him by some part of his body that you know wasn't immediately fatal which is you know not terribly hard to do or arm or leg yeah and then just you know kind of either drag them or i mean you know mountain lions tend to drag things by their necks yeah i'm not positive but that's what i understand it to be yeah i i don't know enough about the methodology of murder of mountain lions fair enough but um yeah i mean that that's what makes sense to me in terms of covering that kind of distance in that amount of time and then also if it grabbed him in a non fatal place he probably would have screamed yeah i mean yeah and the mountain was not far from where they were well that was also when and think about when we were up in lake think about like how far my voice speaking at this level yeah carried over 100 yards oh yeah so well and the only reason the only other reason i was thinking mountain lion at least something of the sort is when because he was up on that uh up on that hill and then got like snatched back after like screaming right yeah to me that's like oh well it seems like he screamed after being snatched but the thing is if there was a mountain lion you'd think he'd just be screaming yeah in general like help me yeah um and if it was a person how did that person either get up to where he was and grab him without him making a sound or did they lure them off the trail and then grab him but even then he would have had to carry him 500 feet up a mountain without him making any sound because he would have to be completely unconscious yeah there's just that none of those explanations make a ton of sense no the french took him you know it's always the french sasquissy oh that reminds me of uh we'll cover it more in the in the question section just with the movie today oh yeah yeah yeah but yeah so that's uh that's the story here i think it's very odd um it checks off way too many boxes for being something supernatural uh the the thing that we've taken to calling the flesh pedestrian you know is is kind of kind of fits here yeah um although you in a lot of these stories when it's a kid that goes missing they when they're found they report that what took them wasn't trying to hurt them yeah but also kids brains yeah and what you do when you have trauma is just a ton but even as an adult yeah yeah so i do really quickly want to transition over to one thing um if you will take a look at your screen we want to talk quickly about uh apparently the wrong screen um there it is gaia 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to keep track of our ordinations for the night so if you are say hello but yeah we'll get into question time in about 15 minutes now we're going to talk about that tom messick case trip because first of all uh i'm just happy that we survived our stay at the days inn in albany new york how could i possibly forget the days in in albany new york if you guys want to know what our friday looked like i we both finished up work and then i drove over to ayden's got there around 8. and i hopped on the road from uh many young pennsylvania which is about 20 minutes from me here in phoenixville yep on about a four-hour drive up to albany um and got to the days in albany new york around was midnight or one about midnight not midnight ah we probably got to sleep about 1 30. yeah well you probably got to sleep around 1 30 yeah yeah i forgot my anxiety medication so uh also of course my the the comforter on my bed had stains all over it oh yeah yeah and the room was warm so oh yeah we had to it was like 78 degrees in the room so we had to open up the window which did not have a safety screen so the the thing the thing that's funny about the bed the the comforter is that uh right before then aiden and i were having a not an argument but just like banter yeah about you know like what he was like about who gets the bed near the window no but not even that he was just like why would anybody like waste the money on like you know like a four-star hotel there's no point and i was like there are certain perks and he was like ah now literally 30 seconds later he's like there are strange stains on my comforter and i said i literally looked at him and went those are the perks meaning that like you know in a four-star hotel uh your things aren't used yeah uh i i don't think that they had actually cleaned that room that day no um so yeah the the very nice people yes at the desk and all that uh someone's husky is really just going singing that's the song of its people outside right now i don't know if you guys can hear it yeah peaky blinder next time pick a good hotel you guys pay 300 a night for these trips yeah we know you know i would have absolutely loved to stay in a little uh you know bed and breakfast on brant lake that would have been great we would have actually got indeed breakfast uh we we did get breakfast but we had to drive for it you know that would have been nice no ryan the perk is not the stains um it's not used it's rustic it's not it's not used up it's experienced yeah yeah you know uh there's a lot of collective wisdom within those fibers airbnb is also a thing but all of the airbnbs were also over 150 yes we got our days in room for 73 bucks so you know what and when had i been able to go to sleep i probably would have been fine yeah and when it's currently about a hundred dollars for me to fill up on a tank of gas and we used about three of them over the trip yeah this like i said this was not a cheap trip um so we're really we're really hoping you guys like the work we put in yeah um but yeah so days in albany um we then got to uh capitals the capital city diner yes where on the menu they had a philly cheese steak yes that was a long roll with steak obviously caramelized onions of course rational mushrooms not a normal addition but i don't i don't mind some mushrooms a nice like spice up to the flavor no the problem was not those ingredients it was the cheese because the capital diner in albany new york who have a picture of the owners with guy fieri but guy fieri was not actually at the albany diner yes i know i'm pronouncing it fieri and i will continue to do so um i just wanted to draw attention to it in case it wasn't drawing enough attention to itself anyway so uh so i asked if any of the cooks had ever been to philadelphia yeah uh kind of jokingly yeah the waitress i had to diffuse the tension a little bit because actually she realized and i was just joking but um they they had american cheese on the cheesesteak which uh you're supposed to do uh melted like whiz cheese or cheddar cheese or provolone never american um it's a dish from like italian americans came up with this so of course they used provolone yeah the cheese whiz kind of came later american not a flavor that i'm familiar with from the area yeah you would not find a cheesesteak made with american cheese in philadelphia would not happen um american cheese does go well on burgers it does it's kind of kind of feels like it tastes like it's made to complement burgers personally i'm more of a colby jack guy but anyways i had some okay waffles uh you seem to devour your meals so that's good i did yeah i got some chocolate milk uh oh techman review on the new jurassic world i haven't seen it yet but i became what movie are we supposed to see on tuesday uh jurassic world dominion there we go i've heard it's mid well i look forward to a mid review of them that's gonna be a fun day because i've got uh my interview with pennsylvania freemason oh yeah that'd be fun so anyway the uh the accoutrements of the trip weren't great in albany like i said the one time mattis doesn't support something american yeah oh greetings from argentina we have made some reach thank you julian greetings from phoenixville pennsylvania cat american cheese is not the same as cheese was just no they're not the same thing i'm not a fan of the cheese was myself i i like you realize when they say whiz it's not like spray cheese no melted cheese i know they're like nacho cheese no they'll use the stuff from like the jar yeah it's delicious yeah it's not meant to be good for you it's not about good for i just i i prefer no it says apparently um you're mid well alien now we will never fall in love uh no no they start out as enemies and they end up as lovers oh god um so we we departed albany around uh noon yes maybe a little bit before that and it was about an hour drive um aiden made it 45 minutes from albany to brant lake when we got to brant lake we were met with a problem the problem was that uh we took the camaro yeah i wanted to take the jeep granted the jeep would have gotten us there at about half or twice the time but i we would have been able to go down lily pond road you know it was not an anticipated difficulty and for the references in the episode the camaro made sense you know the episode might have some references to an existing tv show yeah and by some references i mean the episode might be heavily based on an existing tv show yeah i also just realized i don't say the name or like the the model of my car very often because saying the word camaro sounds weird to me you sound weird i am i am weird he's funky fresh um anyway we uh we we get there and and since we couldn't get to lily pond road we changed our plan a bit we went to a nearby spot where we could actually pull off and park but it was still too far for us to hike lily pond road yeah um and we went into the woods we kind of like were like all right this has got to be similar yeah the woods were dense but not dense enough that i we couldn't hear each other talking conversationally about 100 yards away like honestly i could see you yeah and you could see me honestly i think i would have more trouble communicating with somebody across an open field probably yeah um oh because it was so quiet up there yeah it was really quiet i will say there were the only sounds we heard were birds and that was it uh also lots of bugs um yeah so so we had another brief conversation in terms of like aiden was saying i don't understand why anybody would ever want to go down to the shore like it's so nice up here i don't like the beach i burned too easily yeah yeah and and i was like you forget about the bugs keep in mind the windows were still up and we were still driving at this point he's like ah come on and then we get out and within five minutes we're having a hard time recording anything because he's just doing this and he's like oh my god this sucks i'm like just simply look at him i go i told you and yeah but then he swiftly said he was like i would rather take this over a burn any day so how easily do you burn very easily uh mystic mini to answer your question for the uh site versus patreon at the moment just with where we are uh the patreon is set up better um in terms of fulfillment because any time you sign up for the site it's the same perks it's the same bonuses yeah but patreon fulfills stuff for us uh eventually we do plan to move entirely over the website but in order to do that we need to hire some help so uh you know soon but i would say for now uh do the patreon and we will announce when um the site has you know surpassed patreon and when we want people to start transitioning over to the website rather than the patreon um you know some people probably won't want transition from the website that's fine but i eventually probably within the year um the sites will be identical in terms of content the only difference will be that patreon takes more of our money um but once we have somebody actually handle fulfillment of patreon bonuses on our end that will all be done but until we have actual inventory and everything pretty iffy i've actually thought about taking that function of the site offline but or making it free for now um also really quickly just in reference to the chat um considering i was somebody who grew up doing both beach and mountain lake places like all of my life every summer not loving the beach slander i know there's pros and cons that both but good lured ladies and gentlemen let's let's give the ocean its fair shake i guess i'm also more used to the boat more than the beach that's kind of my is water wet no i agree with you good no and the other way is wrong water is not wet it makes things wet i would say an individual water molecule is is not wet however you could argue that any body of water is wet see i don't like that argument because though if you really like want to get nitpicky and you're claiming that water molecules around something make it wet i get it i understand it but i prefer to go by the basis of it has to be a foreign object that is not water okay because you can't make water wet because generally wet implies that water is either on or in or absorbed by a foreign object or an other substance fair enough so um we have started a war in the chat were we expecting anything else with that in question uh no but uh how do you feel about the fact that your bones are wet stop that your bones are organs oh yeah yeah that bugs you too doesn't it they grow yeah they're not fully see with their bones i know yeah okay well you don't have you have fake teeth i guess bad teeth no okay that's fine uh what were we talking about that water is sticky i don't know what kind of uh water you're drinking but it's not it might be the wrong water yeah um that's sugar water would be sticky is that water too or two water two points is oil wet no only if a surfactant is involved water plus water scp water series x watermark 1.1 um jeez uh okay we were off we were off track uh we were talking about uh getting up to brant lake and not being able to get down lily pond road yes so we had to improvise so we walked into a store and asked if they knew anything about the disappearance of tom messick happened to get a guy who has hunted lilly pond road before no like all of his life he's grown up in the area he said he goes up lilly pond and fishes many times and hunts the area consistently every year and he had some thoughts about the tom messick case that we had not considered uh the story so far as it has been told is that at 10 a.m tom messick three of his elderly buddies and three of their kids went hunting on lily pond road up by brant lake new york they had not hunted this area before though they were very familiar with hunting around brant lake they went there every year for 55 years so this area was new but you know not that big a deal yep so rich is telling us about things he's like you know there's there's a couple a couple of running theories you know um one theory is that i what was the first theory the one that wasn't the uh yeah conspiratorial one i can't remember exactly what he said there were two theories one of them was pretty mundane well there was there was the one that he pretty much pretty quickly dismissed in reference to you know people like generally will be like oh yeah well those are the aliens or whatever oh right that's what it was one theory was aliens yeah aliens watch you know something like that and he was acknowledging that more along the lines of people just kind of saying that not actually really believing it for the most part his other theory was that tom was never there and that had not occurred to me um i have to go and review some of the footage he talked about uh and we'll probably have we'll probably put that into the episode the footage of the interviews he mentioned yeah yeah but what he said was that first of all the story doesn't make sense tom supposedly they sat him on a log 100 yards from one of the other watchers because what they were doing was they had set it up so that uh three younger men would drive any game over a hill and then the watchers the four older men would shoot it if it came their direction six seven hours in which by the way 10 a.m is a weirdly late time to hunt uh six or seven hours in they decided you know what there's nothing here we're gonna go hunt somewhere else we're gonna hunt closer to camp yep so they want to collect everybody tom's not there no trace of tom not even and this is the part that stuck out to me about what rich told us he said when hunters go hunting where they're going to be shooting they wipe any brush from the area with their foot back and forth so they don't crunch any leaves don't make any sound yeah because essentially like if you're going to be standing in a spot where you're waiting for essentially a deer to come by you're innately going to shift your weight no matter how still you think you're going to be and if you don't clear the brush away to be able to just stand on the you know the bare mud or dirt underneath it you're going to innately crunch on either leaves or sticks whatever because keep in mind hunting season is in the fall so there's a lot of things on the ground and the slightest little sound can scare a deer off so you don't want to avoid that at all costs exactly so he said that the searchers who he knew he wasn't he didn't do the search but he had buddies who did yeah and he said that they said that there was no evidence that tom was ever where they said he was there was no rush swept away there were no candy wrappers no boot prints nothing like that and as i experienced significant mud in the area yeah so what he suggested was nobody he wasn't there so if he wasn't there what could have been it could have been a cover-up they could have murdered him and hid the body and you know this was their cover-up was up we he came out with us and he just disappeared um or that he's off chilling in you know mexico um one of the other things he said and i haven't confirmed this yet but one of the other things he suggested was that tom's brother went missing from the same exact place the same week 10 years prior yeah uh so maybe tom and his brother are off in mexico together i again haven't checked that one out as far as we know that's your say but we will have some more bonds we will have a answer for certain for that when the episode comes out yeah um so you're honestly you're getting a pretty cool behind-the-scenes peek at what we what we did here i'm trying not to give too much away yeah yeah but yeah he there there's the suggestion that he was never there um which is compelling and i think it's interesting there's also some other details that you'll get to see in the video um that are also interesting in terms of uh stuff that got left out of a certain documentary about this subject yeah um and what we what we kind of went into this doing was we we had our beliefs about what it could be but we wanted to go in and record everything and figure out you know to what extent is like not in we didn't go in trying to prove something we went in trying to get the story yeah i'm not going to say david politis was trying to prove something i think he's but he was probably trying to make it compelling um i think he did a great job i think he's shined a light on stuff and i think at this point it's time to shine an unbiased you know pure i don't want to use the word journalism because journalists are always trying to tell a narrative well i mean no matter how you tell a story inevitably there are certain things that you're going to have to leave out for time we're we're trying to lay out all of the facts without telling you what happened we're just giving you our all the facts and then what do we think it was yeah which if you've watched our recorded stuff is kind of what we do yeah um we then went to another general store and talked with a bunch of people a couple of young on recommendation from rich yeah on recommendation from rich thank you rich uh uh rich also is the one who sold us that sign yes uh it's called the crossroads which we thought was funny because very fitting we made a lot of references to supernatural um and we went to the crossroads yeah uh it was just kind of the perfect like kickstarter for this yeah so that was great um we talked to a lot of cool people got to check out some really cool uh not antique but you know old school rifles yeah that was that was really cool to see they had a mouser from czechoslovakia yeah check check mauser from what uh world war two or 1947 i think they said sometime like late 1940s so they had that which you looked at history yeah um they had an enfield that was a 1941 style um they also had a springfield 1903 that i almost bought on the spot because it would go really well with my grandfather's world war one stuff that i have or my great grandfather's world of one stuff um so i almost bought it i still might buy it uh it was a great time um we got ice cream i got some really cool people i had maple ice cream that was really good it was really good i got a flurry with black raspberry and uh brownie bites so good it was very good i can't confirm yeah and then uh we zipped back home that night so yep pretty pretty whirlwind trip there i i would like to next time we do this maybe spend a few days rather than less than a day but given the money situation yeah yeah we would generally we wanted to stay but it was more along the lines of do we really have the ability to spend another even like hundred dollars yeah it was just getting too pricey the hotel yeah so you know but uh we are now at the point where it is question time yes so if you don't have questions uh that you haven't submitted yet hit us with them and if not uh you know continue to ask questions and we might get to them yeah but uh you know super chats get answered first so all right and they support the channel uh well aiden shanti for 4.99 said nothing so thanks thank you aiden uh and then are you going uh most recent to no i'm going from beginning to notice yeah uh alien for 49.99 thank you very much i said lego my eggo okay so that meant that was that a reference to uh stranger things maybe uh and then next one was from hammond for five dollars thank you very much said uh did you know that mountains aren't funny aid in the seas they're hill areas i don't know what that means like hilarious see i'm not gonna lie it took me reading that out loud to get it but clever uh alien for another 49.99 thank you very much uh gonna need a tech man review on the address well yeah i'll get you one of those no worries uh and then uh mystic mini 54 for 199 said should i oh that's the patreon versus website question you got alien for 19.99 uh hurting my feeler aiden but it's cool daddy is better when you said that uh i can't remember what he said but you're like we're not falling in love yeah yeah he said i was mid oh right yes and that's uh that's where we're at at the moment all right history daddy supremacy the beach is too sandy that is my i honestly don't mind the sand like most men um i see sand i think must dig hole yes yeah i don't know what it is it's just like when i'm on a beach i'm bringing a shovel because i need a guy bigger hole got a big hole honestly i always feel the urge to dig a hole yeah um whenever there's open territory that husky is just just going for it he wants to think he's got opinions i think i know exactly what husky it is too uh yeah uh what else oh we hear you bud um instinctual desire to dig a hole road chaos said imagine cutting your teeth with nail clippers oh no thanks no said how do you feel about how you are a tube surrounded by meat oh wow we are yeah a tube for consume uh caitlyn kennedy for 4.99 thank you very much sid uh finished an instrumental of the bob the builder theme and sent an mp3 to lorelai yeah he did oh yeah listen to it boy of all of all the animals that burrow you went with mole rat could have gone like gopher gopher uh hang on i could actually go on like ant i'm gonna pull this a lot of options there um uh what else alien for 4.99 says 10 out of 10 would dig a hole with you all yes we always love one of my favorite things about digging a hole on the beach is like when you start nobody really takes notice but the bigger it gets the more of a crowd starts to show up like like a literal crowd i don't know if anybody here has ever dug a hole on the beach consistently or not but like you get to a certain point and people start walking by and they're like wow how'd you do this and you're just kind of standing there like i've been in a hole with friends of mine that i've been digging multiple times and people will come up and be like wow how did you guys do this when we when we actually have the the physical lore lodge somebody did ask about us getting a little yeah we do want to buy a cabin and like have a lower lodge that would be a lodging and campsite yes um ideally i one thing i really want to do is offer uh free camping because camping is so much fun but it can be a little bit cost like prohibitively expensive so what i would love to do is have the option for people to donate um but also offer free camping rental tents um that obviously would be free basically free equipment that all you have to do is take it out and as long as you bring it back you're good yeah um probably have to have a deposit or something but yeah what i want to do is make sure that people can yeah you know can camp and bring their kids camping and you know get out in the wilderness and experience nature uh for for free without having to worry about the fall free the pricing because like the tents are pricey they are why are they so pricey i don't know um probably man that reminds me of a story so uh yes we had bob the builder what do you mean did you what yes he said you guys had bob the builder yeah of course we did um all right uh this is the bob the builder theme that they sent us [Music] oh my god caitlyn did you is this you playing or did you compile this like did you play it or did you do it in like ableton or something yeah i mean that guitar definitely sounds like it's being played yeah the drums could be uh midi or yeah auto yeah this is sick yeah i'm digging them can this be our fuse that'd actually be hilarious plaza five dollars said you all got to start planning a trip to nahane valley for an investigation i mean we want to keep doing more trips it's just can we afford to do it the answer right now is no yeah i would love to do nahani um that would be a great i'll be awesome yeah fire pit but make it an actual pit yes uh and then alien for 99 said i will straight up quit my job and just work at the lor lodge campsite slash cabin for y'all again we would love to have people who do that because obviously we still want to be doing this right we would love to i mean we would have staff obviously staying at the cabin part would cost money yeah but if you want to camp camping's free yeah uh you know we just basically want to find a spot that's accessible but um you know out in the wilderness enough to be away from everything time for the lord probably probably going to be either pennsylvania virginia or west virginia i think um we probably wouldn't live there full-time but state new york seems pretty cool it does but new york's taxes man yeah like i just can't i no it's valid i can't justify that also i can't justify giving the new york state government money um at all in any sense ever um yeah yeah so that'll bob the builder voice can we buy it no we can't drums are programmed guitars are actual guitars dude it sounded phenomenal that was awesome yeah that was true and we've already we hit the 250 tonight so uh we're probably cleaning up on five just gonna be you going yeah i'll see if i can get my buddy sam who's an audio engineer oh yeah that'd be fun to help me record it we'll see how it goes because my screaming is not uh you're good at it i i'm i can do bits like you know a line here or there yeah doing an entire song could be rough for me uh i will have to i'll have to see what i can do but he also isn't a metalcore man they probably have a screamer that could help me out that's fair um so the very least you'll get your screamo cover it might be commissioned but uh i will i will sing on it yeah but it'll probably be like you know backing vocals and a little bit of my own screams um but yeah that was awesome we should talk because we do want a theme song of our own um and we are willing to pay somebody to to produce that for us we've considered doing it ourselves but we are not uh good enough at writing music yes we're we're working on it but i do want i did want something that was going to be a little bit heavier yeah so that that's yeah i you know if if you want to if you want to try some stuff out and send us little like samples we we are willing to pay we can't pay a ton but uh you know i would easily drop a hundred bucks on something like that um all of our art was commissioned for 100 as well so that's kind of our standard rate is we want to make sure we're paying people appropriately yeah i think we actually overpay to an extent um for some of the stuff but yeah um uh real quick was asking when is the video coming up probably like middle of probably midnight yeah yeah um before i go on that reunion trip yeah and there's other stuff that we have to record as well yeah there's gonna be so this is it's a documentary but there's some narrative like little skits and stuff that you're gonna get uh you know probably gonna be 45 minutes to an hour um it might end up being longer because some of those interviews actually went longer than anticipated yeah um so that's that's that uh what else do we got here west virginia land is cheap as hell that's why i constantly talk about thinking about buying land in west virginia you ever think of covering the tick tock commune from hammond for two dollars i'm not sure what that is i know what you're talking about um i've heard of it i know very little about it i would be happy to do that also i would love it if somebody would pitch us a true crime show oh that'd be cool uh douglas ives for two dollars says least favorite song from your favorite band least favorite song from your least favorite band good question i don't know from your favorite band yeah well defining my favorite band has got to be hard i'd say my top three are green day simple plan and all-time low um least favorite song from each of them uh simple plan it would probably have to be off of their uh get your heart on the second coming album um if that was i think that's what it was called but i i can't remember the names of the songs um green day yeah i'm gonna while you talk i'm gonna look them up see if i can i do not like the song i damn i gotta like see now you gotta be looking [ __ ] oh there's a lot of stuff from undertray i think that's my least favorite set of album yeah um let me see uh [Music] yeah i mean i don't even know some of these songs um the newest green day album was unfortunate um kill the dj kill the dj's my least favorite green day song really yep and green day i love green day yeah we do uh american idiot and holiday my man does yeah i get to sing all of american idiot it's one of my favorite songs uh there's a line that we have to let the audience sing um yeah but i with simple plan it's probably off that uh get your heart on two album um the second coming there it is uh let's see um yeah i just didn't like any of that album i liked ordinary life but that was it uh the rest of us was good and all-time low does not have a bad song that's fair yeah for for [Applause] [Music] john mayer because he's right up there uh my just scrolling through his songs my least favorite three i can think of are probably crossroads off of battle studies um wildfire off of i don't know if i hate that song but it's just not it's okay uh and then why you know love me from the i understand where he was coming from i understand his reasoning i know that it's it is a well-structured musical piece why you don't love me it's a mess yeah it's a mess um meta sussie your hair looks like ramen that's valid i'm getting it cut soon um i need to get my driver's license renewed and i refuse to have frosted tips on my license for the next five years you should just dye them dark again bleach it totally is there cops are like when were you blonde it's like for five minutes yeah right um is for uh her free super chat from being a member because if you become a member uh you get to support us that way too memberships work as well it's like ramen 161 hit so far tonight thank you for keeping track tell arch i love him when you get him back he is with my parents uh i will get him back tomorrow um happy early birthday lore lodge it's tomorrow it is tomorrow this is today is the one year anniversary of uh that first viral tick tock how does that feel let's have a little retrospective on that for a moment shall we let's see if there's any more questions i want to get to first yeah um okay so far john mayer does have a band um yeah yeah he he can we have a killdozer at the lodge i have to find one my goal is to own heavy equipment just to like be able to do things that i want such as like imagine so number one building your own home just from scratch ideal you would need heavy equipment to do that like quickly and properly uh secondly imagine you have a bit of land and like you've got a rough day at work you come home you know that urge for men to dig a hole well imagine if you had an excavator in your backyard that you could just fire up for half an hour dig a big hole look at it proudly and say i dug that hole with this gigantic machine and then gets frosted tips on his driver's license i'll donate 50 pounds oh my god that's great that that could be a donation goal valen yeah one of these months yeah maybe i'll get i'll get him again if people want to um stop the hair yeah i'm honestly i forget what you look like it would have to be like five grand it would have to be a it would be a really number yeah i'm not doing that if you guys can raise five grand this month i will keep the frosted tips on my license um i've i have a thousand bucks for every year i have to have them i'm not gonna lie i'm so used to the frosted tips now that i like forget what you look like just straight up brown yeah it's it's getting weird yeah this has become normal for me and i'm not happy about it um but yeah i mean it's it's wild because uh rex said something about it last night when we were at your place um a year ago today is when i made that uh that first tick tock that went viral and it was um totally unexpected i remember i was at 600 followers that day and i got home and i was at like 900 i remember looking at you and saying hey i think i'm gonna hit a thousand a night and you'd be aw sick yeah i we went out drinking we got home i was over a thousand i woke up the next morning i was over nine thousand yeah yo by the end of the night we were talking about you i think you were like i think i might hit 1200 and i'm like and you were like it was starting to slow down as we were going i was like you're going to hit it you're going to hit it yeah we wait i thought it was going to just be funny and not a big deal no it it man i totally forgot about those days where we were like we were counting the thousands that you were going up and up and it was like oh dude you're gonna like when you hit 10k it was like oh my god and then i remember being like shocked when i hit 50. yeah um and then and then over a hundred and then i remember 250 specifically being pretty like he was like what's going on here and then i i got like stuck at like 750 for a while yeah and then the millennial thing yeah uh million um which is slowed down so much insane like i still so for you guys there like we've known each other over 10 years roughly yeah um we're just still us and like i don't consider myself famous because i'm you know i i have a thousand followers on talking i don't really post you do realize you're on this show right yeah but like i i mean i it's you're the face of it that's the thing uh and i told him that we are considered macro influencers on youtube yeah and he was like huh yeah because i mean like you're the one on famous birthdays that's like my main point and it's it's just weird because like when we're not doing this we're totally normal dudes it's just like nothing has changed like literally nothing about our lives has changed other than the fact that we get together a bit more frequently now to do stuff like this and i what also is funny is that like i'm i'm well known around here because i am in a band yeah um yeah and you've worked at the bar down the street i've now gotten to the point where my band was having a show and i walked outside of the bar for some fresh air one guy looks at me goes wait aren't you the history guy from tick tock yeah that was like i'm literally in the band that's on stage right now and that's that's the question you had yeah i wasn't i wasn't upset about it at all it was just it was funny it's wild yeah well and it's just like comprehending that 1.2 million people follow you is insane especially just like it literally being a year ago that i remember being in your old apartment and you were like dude oh my god yeah a year ago tomorrow is when i recorded that first youtube video yeah and i so i want to just that's what i want to think about here that first youtube video was filmed using that tripod over there behind you yeah and yeah which is like a 20 ring light tripod that i bought off of amazon for music not even for tick tock yeah i got it to record videos of me playing guitar um and uh it was half an hour i edited it edited it in imovie on my phone yeah it's just me sitting in a chair talking to the camera it's like half an hour long it's got over 60 000 views now yeah um fast forward exactly a year i'm no longer in my living room i am in the second bedroom of the two-bedroom apartment that i have by which has sound paneling it has these two uh like lights that are wi-fi controlled yeah we've got uh you know multiple computers multiple monitors we've got three yetis we have the logo we actually have four yetis we have a real logo um i mean it's just it's looking around at everything halfway famous yeah it's it's crazy it's it's wild where this has gotten in the last year and i am considering how my life has been for the last year i'm pretty grateful that we have it because i don't know what i would be doing with my time yeah like i genuinely don't know um so it's been very cool and and we've you know the the community that we've built now is i it's awesome you guys have made these so much fun we actually look forward to doing this show because you guys are are fun yeah it's just nice i mean honestly the the the most fun part of it uh aside from us just getting to hang out and do stuff and mess around we're about to hit 600 000 views this week probably 3k a week that's pretty good yeah yeah all of you guys in the chat really make this show fun i mean just being able to especially like if he's in the middle of a story and i just glance over and i just see you guys talking whether it's to us or to each other and saying like some random [ __ ] it's fun to pop in the discord and see people just talking about stuff and um speaking of which uh the discord link is in the description of this video as is our uh target link because we are partnered with target now so uh we both love the good fellow brands specifically from target for menswear i super affordable jeans are like 40 bucks yeah that's not um they're really comfortable i really like their flannels their flannels are really nice their t-shirts are awesome yeah um i mean it's it's the t-shirts are great they fit really well yeah um you know you can go and buy like from fresh clean teas or uh uh you know what's the other one um there's just a few of those t-shirt companies for men that are trying to make less boxy t-shirts yeah good fellow does it they're great so yeah if you've got if you've got target shopping to do um do that it'll help us out and all that uh and then what else do i have there and of course guy industries um for for all of your you know bamboo possible products i think they're definitely in the works of making more things but yeah those five that they've got right now are awesome uh you should definitely check them out i'm gonna post the link on probably instagram as well because wyatt was such a nice dude uh but yeah so that's uh that's all that if you have not yet smashed the like button uh there are there are 45 of you currently in this uh live stream if i i would love to see that that number go up to 45 uh before the end of the show if you feel like giving us that small thing but um yeah so uh living for when does he oh boy [Laughter] what living on a prayer cover but it's about the windows oh my god that'd be a lot heaven i don't know take my hand and make it uh there would have to be either very little changes or a lot of changes take my hand and i will make it i swissy living off windows yeah living for window z yeah so it just has to be a c at the end of the day um halfway there um see we're thinking too far along about this yeah conspiracy uh rachel newman we have a video on mothman if you'd like to check it out on our channel uh yes and we have an entire pocket subscription yeah an entire podcast episode so to give you the short version um you know i like the the idea that it's uh you know like an angel of death type thing or a harbinger and omen people have been reporting seeing uh like black birds and stuff like that for hundreds of possibly thousands of years as as a bad omen um take my hand eat it if you dare oh jeez oh god um all right well that i think just about does it for the show tonight yes um thank you all so much for tuning in happy one-year long diversary to everybody uh you know i guess that's it i with oh by the way father's day is coming up uh oh you can book me on cameo to say anything you want to your own dad yeah i'm okay oh my god if you go on cameo and you search my name um you know it'll come up i'll add the link to the description after this but yeah you can uh you can you can ask me to say literally anything to your dad and i will do it um that's a dangerous game and my prices are low aiden they're low for ten dollars i will say whatever you want to your father um or you can get him some more lodge gear yeah from lorelage.com yeah it doesn't have to be it doesn't happen yeah it doesn't have to be your father either it could be anybody but you know with father's day coming up yeah exactly uh we should make some i should do some fourth of july apparel like right now and put an ad out for it um be there in time so oh we missed the last what was it uh we should get a real lore lodge and make a cold that's the plan we already have the cold now we just need the lodge yeah um we're halfway there yeah so uh yeah i think that just about does it thank you guys so much for tuning in um we're really excited for this missing forum one documentary to come out that we did and we will catch you in a week thank you all so much we will see you soon you

Channel: The Lore Lodge

Views: 31,607

Keywords: missing 411, missing 411 stories, missing 411 the hunted, missing 411 national park disappearances, missing 411 documentary, missing 411 cases, missing 411 stories national parks, missing 411 storeis, missing 411 storeis national parks, missing 411 tom messick, missing 411 alfred beilhartz, missing 411 alfred beilharz, alfred beilhartz, alfred beilharz, tom messick, thomas messic, thomas messick, adirondacks, rockies, finger lakes

Id: RW3h4F2LEMI

Length: 72min 51sec (4371 seconds)

Published: Mon Jun 13 2022