Is the Landlord and Tenant Board Broken? | The Agenda

for residential landlords it's a business for tenants it's a home and when tensions turn into disputes for either side both turn to the landlord and tenant board for resolution that's always been a difficult process and it was made worse during the pandemic with frustratingly long backlogs is it well and truly broken or is there some path forward for this troubled provincial Tribunal with us on that Varun sriskanda a board member for the small ownership landlords of Ontario Jordy Dent executive director Federation of Metro tenants associations Gloria Solomon CEO of the Preston group and vice chair of the Federation of rental housing providers of Ontario and Kathy Laird she's a retired human rights lawyer and adjudicator and a spokesperson for tribunal watch Ontario and it's great to have you four here in our studio tonight where I'm sure we're going to have perfect agreement on everything we discussed so well maybe not let's see let's see Varun to you first if you want a hearing these days at this tribunal how long's the wait typically if you file your application today you can expect to get the notice of you actually first hearing date will be eight to ten months from uh today the day you file that's just for the hearing day that's just for your first hearing date and how long does the process take before you get a resolution once the hearing is actually held you have to wait for your written decision I have some members of my of solo that are waiting up to two months for a written decision some people are getting written decisions in three to four weeks but that eight to ten months when you take into account the time you wait for the written decision it's one year it's a year well it's one year of waiting is that your experience as well Jordy with the Federation no actually that used to be our experience prior to the pandemic um the numbers that you're hearing tenants have been dealing with for almost a decade now it's even longer for tenants um so a year wow we should be so lucky we're now waiting on average 10 to 14 weeks for a hearing and decision uh takes just as long even longer 10 to 14 months you mean sorry 10 to 14 months yes right sorry for a hearing and then the decision takes even longer after that yes yes okay how about in your experience Gloria well quite similar I mean it's obviously not good for the health of the industry but we do wait um if you know if it takes if someone continues to live in a suite for nine months or more before even a hearing is held and then you may have a hearing and then again wait possibly three months for a decision and or even if you don't um you know at that point you enter not waiting for a decision but you have let's say an agreement of a payment plan and if that doesn't work out you have to reapply for another hearing to move forward so that can take another three months so it lights on hold for quite a while there quite a while right okay we've got you here today because you're going to explain to us why is it like this well first of all I think it's important to go back and remember what it used to be like so before 2018 this tribunal was operating pretty well and I went back and looked at the old annual reports and that the data available on the tribunal Zone website so these are their figures it used to take 30 days from when an application was filed to when you got the order 30 days and frankly for a landlord is seeking an eviction for arrears that meant that they wouldn't actually be out very much rent because they already had last month's rent but that's right that's application to decision what about application your decision oh they're waiting to get in to make your application no there there was no wait there was no wait there was no weight right and the decisions were were coming out well that was two decisions decisions were on average about four days after hearing so it worked very well in 2017-18 I went back and looked at all those three years did the calculations figured out the averages what was working then that clearly isn't working now well there are many things that have gone wrong I mean one thing that started this downward spiral was that the Ford government declined to retain and reappoint in the normal course the adjudicators that they had when after the election so when we have an election Ontario we don't get rid of all the judges after an election why are we getting rid of all the adjudicators this happened across Ontario tribunals particularly at tribunals Ontario the landlord and tenant board is part of tribinos Ontario so so you're down bodies your down bodies you were down at one point to 30 right now there are close to 50 if you count up in the annual report so there was a low point there but also there were a lot fewer cases during the pandemic the pandemic is not the cause of this today we have 20 000 fewer applications coming to the tribunal so the fused applications ever this is Ontario's busiest tribunal usually 80 000 applications a year now just over 60. so the numbers have gone down as the backlog has gone up and now we have already 50 adjudicators if you add up what's in the last annual report the government has just announced another 40. it used to work perfectly well with more applications and only 40 adjudicators so something else is going wrong okay fill in the blanks what's going wrong um I think uh what's going on exactly what she said if you go back to 2011 you had um fewer apple or so you had more applications fewer adjudicators the cases were heard faster now you have more adjudicators fewer cases uh they're not able to hear as many cases and those they are taking forever to take forever to go um I think it's primarily the reason that she's outlined um we have a different take on this and I'll let you know what it is uh we think the Ford government uh held back those adjudicators on purpose um because what end um to speed up evictions faster which is exactly what they did with Bill that 184. so um our opinion is they were trying to create a crisis they did to help gut eviction preventions and that's uh one of the things that we're looking at now do you think it is in the interest of this provincial government to put what's the expression link for sand in the gears of this tribunal no I don't think the government did that on purpose now it it they stopped the eviction of tenants during the pandemic now that's what created the backlog and so we're in a position now where we have less adjudicators less fewer adjudicators and way more cases right so we're waiting eight to ten months and there's no steps being taken to actually reduce that backlog so 40 new adjudicators that's great how many adjudicators left their positions how many adjudicators were fired what how many adjudicators are being replaced by that 40 because we're not adding 40 new adjudicators that number isn't really going up a lot we're not going to see a significant reduction in that eight to ten months which is that magic number we need to see go down another great way is the infrastructure we own we hold leases on a significant amount of buildings that we can open doors to and start conducting hearings inside buildings along with zoom hearings you get to hit a two-prong you can get rid of of the backlog much faster if you're hearing hearings a lot quicker do you think the government is sabotaging this process in order to screw over tenants no I think that sounds ridiculous to me honestly I I don't think it benefits landlords in any way we are also waiting months and months and months for a hearing so I don't understand how how he can say the eviction process is is expanding because of it um and I want to say that there was a backlog of significant backlog prior to the pandemic but the pandemic certainly emphasized the backlog because everything was shut down and we could not proceed with any tribunal hearings during the pandemic so it was just an accumulation of a backlog over a backlog and now I don't think that there is any benefit to landlords or tenants unless you know to have a backline I'm very very heartened to hear that there are going to be more adjudicators being brought into the system let me go back to Jordy on this you don't seem to have a secondary at the table here who believes that the government is intentionally sabotaging the system in order to make life harder for tenants well I've got reality um Bill 184 again they sped up the eviction process they got attendant Productions in that uh in that bill and again part of the reason they said it was is because the back of the bltb now I think she just pointed out that backlog was created by the government we all know this they didn't hire those adjudicators um so again I you know I don't feel it's ridiculous I feel the facts are already on the table Yeah I just want to add that the backlog before this government was elected was only 13 000 cases and it's now uh 33 000 cases so it is a big expansion in the backlog the applications fell to uh 48 000 from 80 000 during the pandemic so you know other tribunals were able to get their backlogs down during the pandemic because they used the you know Zoom hearings and the the decrease they did move to zoom hearings but it didn't result in the in the backlog going down in fact quite the opposite so one of the things I want to throw on the table is the government introduced two changes which I think are a big part of the problem I don't know if the landlord Representatives here will agree um the first is they got rid of all in-person hearings when the pandemic came in and then they declined to allow in-person hearings ever again so they say there are exceptions but we only know of a couple of instances across Ontario where tenants with disabilities have been able to get an in-person hearing everything's online now everything's online and it used to be that there were Regional in-person hearings so there were local adjudicators there was local Clinic lawyers there to help people let me just get confirmation is that your understanding of things as well yes and unfortunately that that needs to change we need to open up these doors and start having hearings in person as well as Zoom hearings exactly why would in person speed things up from the way online happens well we need to do we need to cure the cases at Double the speed that we're currently hearing the cases because we're never going to reduce the backlog if we keep hearing the same amount of cases so if we double the workload on the adjudicators by creating by opening up the hearing rooms and allowing in-person hearings and at the same time you have another set of adjudicators at home working on Zoom hearings you're speeding up the backlog now Gloria what do you think of the owner I agree with that suggestion I I don't have a problem with the online I think it's a modernization of the system I think it helps both landlords and tenants avoid the necessary travel to go to a tribunal and and show up and and most people I I would I would argue have a computer at home or access to a computer that they need you need both online and in person I think that would help for the backlog I think that that's that's an option that should be maintained okay Kathy pick it up yeah other tribunals have done that the social security tribunal federally the workers compensation tribunal here they allow people the choice of in-person or online uh of course for some people it will be more convenient but this is a high volume tribunal there are 30 to 40 matters in a hearing block people are trying to phone in to connect um the the stats are that a lot of people who are low-income people rural households don't have internet access or don't have good internet access so they struggle to connect to their hearings more than half the tenants are coming on to their hearings by phone whereas the landlord and the adjudicator are on a video hearing so you're at a disadvantage and the stakes are so high this model just doesn't work and I agree completely there it should become optional it should always be optional it is a modernization but it isn't working well and I think that's why we can't get through this backlog okay let me Sheldon you want to put this graphic up top of page two here and for those who are listening on podcast I'm going to describe this uh Mountain that we're about to look at here this is the wait times for the most common landlord and tenant cases and they're broken up into four things this is landlord cases where evictions are due to a failure to pay the rent and then that's the blue line at the bottom then you've got landlord cases evictions for other reasons you've got tenants cases for rights violations and you've got tenants cases for lapsed maintenance and things kind of go we start the clock here in 2000 and what is that 16 and things kind of go along tickety-boo it's a fairly Flat Line uh until you get just before the pandemic and then suddenly the numbers start to go up and it's like bumping into a mountain and the Tenant cases really go through the roof and the landlord cases that are being brought go up you know significantly but then start to level out and come down so tenant cases uh really seem to be a problem post pandemic here and I guess Jordan why don't we start by having you weigh in on that why is the weight so much longer for tenants than it is for landlords um because the landlord and tenant board is a landlord-friendly institution 91 of all applications to landlord and teleport are made by landlords uh and if you see the the graph you'll note that children bring it up again children tenant applications have always been longer for the entire history um even though they make up the fewest number of applications even though tenants make up way more of a population than landlords do again the the landlord and tenant board has always been geared to landlords unfortunately and it's always even when the Liberals and NDP were in power even when the Liberals and NDP were in power absolutely again it's been a landlord institution the applications tell the whole story right if it was 50 50 we'd have a balanced system 90 landlords wait times that are just ridiculous for tenants now going into a year totally separating from landlords they're second class in this kind of scenario it's just a Gloria I know you want in there but just just for the record here the the landlords are waiting looks like 25 days at the beginning of this chart and by the end of the chart it's up to about 125 days so it's up but the tenants started 50 days and are up to a year by the end of it yes but like Jordy said there's a very very small number of tenant applications compared to landlord applications so you can argue that it has not been friendly to the landlords there's been many many weights for the land and it's not in the landlord's best interest to even go to the ltp I mean in a perfect world we we would not want to even apply to the ltp we do it out of necessity for non-payment of rent uh buyer by Resident or for disturbances to other people in the building so they're all valid reasons to go into the Tennessee Board for resolution the tenant cases are much smaller and fewer and far between so you think the Varun do you think the fix is in at the at this tribunal in favor of landlords as Jordy suggests no the void favors tenants if the board favored landlords we wouldn't be able we would be able to recover rent money if I made an application and I said my tenant hasn't paid rent in three months the board would have some option for example the tenant should pay the rent into trust to the board and then we could say that the it's a balanced system but the board favors the tenants by allowing them to go one year without payment or rent and then when you get to the board and you you get to the hearing and you outline to the adjudicators the level of Fraud and deceit that took place to secure the housing such as forged credit scores forged identity documents forged paid stubs Forge job letters much of that goes on a lot of that goes on there's a lot of that many many applique L1 applications are due to professional tenants who are using forged identity documents in order to secure a little jargon there L1 or landlord cases evictions due to lack of rent yes those are professional tenants they use identity documents to get in the house and then use landlord ten import backlogs to their advantage all right I gotta let Jordy respond um yeah I think uh estimates are saying about thirty thousand to fifty thousand landlords in Ontario every year are committing eviction fraud again the cases do not reflect that at all at the landlord and teleport um I believe ferpo has done a couple of studies on how much tenants pay their rent overall and I believe the figure in both times is about 98.6 of rent is collected by landlords I could not get any tenants to have 98.6 of their rights uh given to them by a landlord landlords repeatedly do not do maintenance they repeatedly harass their tenants these are cases that should be at the landlord and tenant Port but they're not because it's so difficult okay I want to ask you about that yeah about 85 percent of the cases before this tribunal are brought by landlords yes why why are tenants not bringing more cases because it's not experiences it's not accessible to them uh they have to take a day off work which most of them can't do most of them are not legally trained they don't have lawyers assets Lobby groups supporting them um they've got well you're a Lobby group supporting them we're not a Lobby group we're a very small small tenants rights agency that gets like a pittance compared to I think a single member of herpo uh we are operating a shoestring budget trying to help people against a very well organized powerful and moneyed force which is landlords um and again we're doing our best um but again it's really stacked against tenants Kathy you want in yeah there's always bad landlords there's always bad 10 they're both out there they're not the majority most landlords are trying to provide decent housing especially small landlords and most tenants just want to live somewhere they if they have a leaky roof they actually they have busy lives right they don't necessarily want to run off and get it fixed it's the board the landlord and tenant board and this government and the leadership at tribunals Ontario that is letting both sides down I mean the situation that Verma mentioned about waiting a year for rent that's only because the tribunal has not managed to bring that hearing forward if they brought it forward within 25 days at the beginning of your graph then the tenant would either pay up or be out and the landlord would be coasting on their last month's rent this is how it used to work okay but theoretically admittedly this is only theoretically if you've got an agency if you've got a tribunal that is looking at complaints from landlords and tenants you would assume that the applications would be 50 50 between landlords and tenants it's 85 15. well no it's because tenants yeah there's an affordability crisis lots of tenants are not able to pay their rent this has historically been the case in Ontario that all the the applications the vast majority are always landlord applications now in the old days when people were an in-person hearing many of these cases were settled tenant doozy Council was president and person there was the municipal rent Bank there you know I'm in Sudbury my legal clinics here my rent Banks here my housing inspector can testify about what's going on it used to work really well and all of that is out the window now we have tenants phoning in landlords online waiting sometimes hours for their matter to come up while they hold the phone the tenants run out of minutes on their plan waiting for the hearing to come up Gloria I agree with everything Kathy's saying it's making a lot of sense I mean if someone is not paying rent and continues to live in a in a suite for nine or ten months I mean it affects business it affects the landlord it's not the same level of care and maintenance that we can afford to make problem is that where you have somebody who doesn't pay for 9 9 or 10 months well it's a lot more common than people who are complaining about their landlord issues at the tribunal I'll tell you it's very skewed there's a lot more people who are suffering from not being able to pay the rent then they are suffering from the tenant's uh lack of Maintenance in their units so we can agree for in that a year to dispose of these issues is too long what's a reasonable amount of time that we should wait to have these issues dealt with 30 days yeah 30 days is 30 days once you file an application at the board you need to have your hearing in 30 days and if you had a hearing in 30 days two things would happen one there would be a significant reduction in the amount of tenants using fraudulent documents to secure housing there's no incentive anymore right once you get the housing you know that I can be evicted in 30 days with non-payment so let's just make sure we pay rent a second thing is you're going to have more tenants that pay rent on time right there's they don't want to be evicted they know that it's no longer eight to ten months you you can't use ltp backlogs to your advantage they will take the steps necessary to work with their landlord create payment plans and many small landlords I know are currently in payment arrangements with their tenants there's significant areas but we keep the tenants in the unit and we work with them to pay back their years and keep keep up with the current rent so the landlords say 30 days it ought to be enough time to get it all done what do you say has there ever been 30 days for a tenant ever has it ever been 30 days for tenant ever I don't know you tell us no uh you know in 2018 uh the tenants from 42 Glen Elm took their landlord to the landlord we go across the province where's that 42 Glen Elms downtown Toronto okay okay um they took their landlords to the board saying landlord's trying to take away our storage lockers that case was resolved this year in 2023. it took six years for that case to work its way through the courts for tenants to get Justice no one cared there was no television shows saying oh God tenants are waiting so long for just this um tenants have been facing these delays for years it's not an issue um when landlords are finally facing the same delays the tenants are facing it's a problem so I'm fine with 30 days if you can get tenants 30 days that's not a priority let's just check this though I mean last I checked there is an opposition at Queen's Park um who I certainly know liberals and Democrats and greens go to bat for tenants all the time are they not doing an adequate job bringing these issues to the four I mean they're they're bringing the issues to the four um but in our experience you've got a government that's basically a landlord government like they don't even talk to any tenant groups I know ferpo meets with the government regularly I assume solo is met with the government regularly uh they will not meet with us uh and they won't let me with us because they frankly don't care I don't really care about the tenant experience they've got big friends going to the Stag and Doe who are at the landlord groups we weren't invited the the name of the bill is called protecting tenants the name of Bill 97 is called protecting tenants not protecting landlords and tenants now Bill 984 was was it uh the book 1984 worst worst late you know whatever you want the full name of the bill is helping home buyers and protecting debtors yes it'd be nice if we could protect some landlords as well I have a lot of small landlords who need protection from um fraudulent tenants from unscrupulous tenants who are taking advantage of backlogs or is essentially stealing housing but the point you made earlier 30 days would work there wouldn't be an incentive for fraud there wouldn't be an incentive to withhold rent absolutely right it's the it's the latter and tenant board and tribinos Ontario that is letting both sides down I agree with Jordy that it's always served 10 interests have always moved much more slowly through the process but that it works for it it's better for tenants as well if the process works quickly on all applications and that includes absolutely they're not existing non-payers remain in their units then those units are not available for new people who want to come and rent apartments yes and I think when we I don't think we should update the backlog problem from the pandemic when applications went way down I think we have to date it from when this government came in when they they let go all the adjudicators but also the leadership is taking us down a path that isn't functional everyone at this table has said that we need in-person hearings but the government is doubling down when they announce the new 6.5 million or whatever and hiring 40 new adjudicators they also said none of these adjunctures will ever travel to a hearing they used to be 44 hearing locations in this problem so it's all Zoom now it's all Zoom they will they will never hold an in-person hearing so they are and they're giving tenants phones to join their hearings because they don't have computers and they don't have phones so that is doubling down on a Model that frankly also delivers a lesser standard of Justice to both sides let me ask Vernon about the other side of the coin though are If a landlord is in trouble financially because a tenant misses one or two months rent does that suggest to you that the landlord has taken on a project and or debt level that is ill-advised absolutely not when landlords got into this they were looking at the landlord and tenant Board website and the landlord and tenemboid's own service standards which I believe is still 30 days that they'd like to issue notices of hearing I I can't believe they haven't edited the text on that website but their service standards are still 30 days so if I'm a landlord and I want to get into this business I got into it thinking that the province that the courts that the the tribunals are operating the way they should be we don't need a system that favors tenants and we don't need a system that favors landlords we need a Level Playing Field and we don't even have that at the moment all right let me ask Jordy the other side of that coin which is I know there is or there has been a tendency to be able to portray all landlords as these big evil greedy multinational huge companies when the fact is a lot of them are just Mom and Pop operations you know a couple units on the side maybe they're immigrants maybe this is their first attempt to try to run a business or something like that do you have any sympathy for that scenario sure I know a lot of investors that suffer from investment risk it happens right you invest in something it goes down uh you don't make the money you thought you were going to make I understand for a lot of people this is their life savings it's a business for them um but at the end of the day I don't know too many landlords I've certainly ever encountered one in the news that has totally lost their property from a rental scenario snafu but I meet every day every day um you know people like tents filled in the parks in the city of Toronto all right that's the constituency I represent uh and that constituency has been absolutely hammered at a time when Pro landlord profit margins have never been higher um so again I you know I want to see balance I want to see a balanced situation but it's not balanced right now at all do you have any sympathy for tenants who find themselves through no fault of their own unable to pay their rents maybe absolutely well during the pandemic I mean Kathy said the number of cases went down that's because landlords on the whole did not proceed to apply to the tribunal because of the pandemic we were we were encouraged by our association and just being good good industry leaders to work with our residents come up with payment plans government told you you could that's part of it too right right so that's why there was no but we also went into payment plans and structured our our outstanding debt so that people can once they get back on their feet they can clear their balances Our intention was not to go to the landlord and tenant board to proclaiming because we need our cash I mean rent payments it's a revenue that allows a building to operate and as as they get stalled or as they're not collected uh I don't know where Jordan's getting the idea that landlords are making record profit margins I mean that's not that's that's that's fallacy it's not true at all all right we've got several minutes left here let's look at you you've both laid out both sides have laid out the arguments as to what the difficulties are what can we fix here what's an easy fix where's the low-hanging fruit that we can fix here well I um government and with tribunals Ontario that the landlord tenant board is under realizing there's a problem so in the last annual report the head of tribunals Ontario said that its tribunals including the latter antenna board was well on the way to being recognized as one of the best tribunals in North America and he also said we put access to Justice at the center of everything we do are either of those things true they are you that everyone on this panel agrees none of that is happening so we have a disconnect and I guess the government is buying that line and believes the tribunal is working and that this new method will will click into place but that's not the experience the backlog goes up fewer people are using the tribunal 20 000 fewer cases last year that's because the tribunal has no credibility I think the first stage well we know what the answer is we actually have to go back to some of the features of the former system which everyone here agrees was working 30 days 28 days to get from filing now I I take your point that we need improvements on the tenant side as well but the process worked a lot better so we need to go back to some of those things in-person hearings Regional hearings so the tenant Duty Council can help people so that rent banks are available so rent gets paid it's not rocket science the the government shut down the stakeholder advisory committees at every tribunal so the landlord and tenant board used to have experts from the tenant side and the landlord's side doing real consultation when I was at the tenant Duty Council program many years ago when we introduced it we sat down with the tribunal and devised the forms together because it's in the landlord's interest also that tenants know where they can get help so they know if their rights are not going to take them where they want to go or what their rights are so that was shut down we need to open up that again a recognition of the problem reverting to some of the features that are tried and true and opening the doors to real consultation all right Jordy keeping I'd like to hear recommendations from you but keeping in mind we got to have win-wins here right can't just be good for tenants can't just be good for landlords we need win-win for example um I I think uh bringing back uh Regional centers would be great and counter service 100 uh count in-person counter service is absolutely critical I have talked to so many seniors in their 70s and 80s facing an eviction hearing just having no idea what to do uh no idea how to present evidence on a phone it's no idea how to use a computer in Zoom um so again they need in-person service there's a couple other things that I think could be really helpful please um the Social Security tribunal has like a navigator program to try to help people navigate the system I think that's desperately needed right now for people because you're gonna get I I encounter small landlords that have no idea what they're doing and um trying to figure it out as they come to the tribunal but more importantly a lot of tenants really need that kind of support to navigate the system um you can also expand Service Ontario Service um they've had like a lot of applications there um again I think that's been successful people and another thing they could look at improving the system okay Varun what would you like to see change one of the first things I'd like is if we started separating small landlords from the corporate landlords now a landlord that has one rental unit cannot take a hit the way a landlord that has 100 rental units if one of those rental units starts defaulting that's okay you can offset those losses with another 99 rental units but many of the members at solar are suffering serious Financial harm at the moment because they have one to two rental units there you know the cost of interest rate and inflation today it the mortgage rates are through the roof utilities are through the room in which case let me do a fast follow-up if you're only solo small ownership landlords of Ontario correct if you've only got one or two units and one of your tenants is a problem and therefore your cash flow is 50 off or 100 off why not sell selling isn't an option either we got into this business to provide housing that's a lot of the members at solo take great pride in being able to provide housing to newcomers to immigrants to International students who suffer very who have a difficult time finding housing in this country we take great pride in being able to rent to them we don't want to be out of the business we want to be in it we want to buy more rental units but we need a system that at least gives us the ability to evict problematic tenants okay Gloria how about you what change would you like to see first of all I'd like to say as as a board member for I would just say our industry very pleased to hear that the Ontario government is investing in the landlord and tenant board I think it's long overdue and I think the fact that they are investing all this extra funds in it is a is a positive step to improving the system um I I think the plan to hire more members and adjudicate cases is a is a benefit and I think the online uh access is is modernization of a system that can help um access for everybody and although it would be necessary to maintain tribunals in some centers for people who are unable to access online but I think but the process can be speeded up and saving money by moving a lot of things online or not necessary to go and waste a whole day sitting in a tribunal office for your 10 minutes of your case that may come up Kathy um I got 30 seconds left it took years to get into the soup how long is it going to take to get out of the soup well I I think the answers are pretty immense and that the the government the the tribunal itself could move quickly it could move quickly to make in-person and Regional hearings an option something that is available for people who don't have internet and that you can manage that hearing block much better in an in-person hearing so yes move back to that and open your doors and invite people in we had a fair amount of agreement around this table indeed we got consensus on that yes exactly so that's what we do here Kathy we bring people together and with that I want to thank all four of you for coming into TVO tonight Kathy Laird the aforementioned tribunal watch Ontario Jordy Dent from the Federation of Metro tenants associations Gloria Solomon CEO of the Preston group Vice chair of the Federation of rental housing providers of Ontario and Varun sriskanda solo small ownership landlords of Ontario thanks all for coming into this video we appreciate your time thank you the agenda with Steve paken is made possible 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Published: Tue May 02 2023