Introducing Micrometer Application Metrics - Jon Schneider

I'm John Schneider I'm a relatively new member of the spring team April I came over from from Netflix previously and where I was working on engineering tools I was working on metrics there but was a user of it and I observed no pun intended or maybe pun intended I observed a Netflix that metrics was just a real key part of their success metrics was tied into all sorts of pieces of functionality they had and I could you know so when I came over to the spring team I saw that we were lacking a really cohesive story for that and that's what I've been working on the last nine months and I'm here to present you in more depth now the the fruits of those labors and kind of where we're going for from here so micrometer I yest erday just repeated a little bit micrometer is like I think of it as SL F or J is to logging micrometer is for metrics so the idea is we don't want to be opinionated in spring about what monitoring system you use there's a lot of good reasons to use various systems so we just want to provide some abstraction some interface so you can interact with and get your metrics to a variety of different monitoring systems micrometer is a JVM based instrumentation library so this is not a you know this we don't have any you know thing going on for JavaScript here or C sharp or anything like that at the moment it's where it sits in the stack it's a it's a low-level library that spring depends on so micrometer isn't specific to spring you can use micrometer outside of spring and in fact you know it occurs in different places so one of our external contributors has built micrometer support very similar to what we've done in bootys built micrometer support into our Miria which is another reactive web framework a kind of micro framework micrometer support is already built into the rabbitmq Java client it's already built into heart Akari CP I think as we go forward more and more core Java libraries you use will have these kind of metrics in much the same way as once we had a good unified logging library that became more ubiquitous as well you can visit the doc site at micrometer diode I oh and that will point you to the github repo and point to point you to slack as well a very active slack community dedicated to this specifically so if you come out of today with with any questions that you're too shy to ask here you just don't know until later by all means come and ask on you know on our slack channel it doesn't have to be related to development if you just want to ask you know hey what would be the best way of doing this or that please come ask we got plenty of people answering questions there's to do that for boot too so you know I'm a spring team developer so and we're here at at spring one so for boot to micrometer has replaced our prior iteration of metrics entirely the whole whole counter service gauge service drop wizard base thing has been entirely removed from boot two and replaced by auto configurations based on micrometer specifically micrometer exists in the spring boot actuator and boot to sew in boot two if you have the spring boots actuator or spring you can which you can include through spring boot starter actuator you just get micrometer auto configured for you by default boot to auto configures a simple meter registry which is just an in-memory metric store that it doesn't ship data anywhere so the actuator end point the slash application slash metrics that you see in boot two is just a representation of metrics that are kept in memory it's up to you to pick which implementation you want or multiple implementations you want so in this example right here we've decided that we want the actuator so we want metrics to be collected among other things and we want our metrics to be to Prometheus and to jmx you know as an example so pick any number of them in but--one we know that not everybody is going to be able to adopt boot two like immediately and we still want you to be able to take advantage of this functionality so we've back ported micrometer support back to boot one five I'll promise one five I think one four one three or okay a couple extra nine users using that and and all that you need to do is just add a runtime dependency on micrometer spring legacy and you'll get that back ported support back to boot one five one four micrometer like we've kind of said here micrometer is it's a it's a facade it's just you know it's an API you interact with and we'll explore in a minute but we really want to enable you to have some choice I I gave an example yesterday on on rolling count on the the heart rate monitor you may be using the monitoring system right now and discover you need a function you know a function that doesn't exist in it I think I want this to be fluid for you for you to be able to explore different monitoring systems and pick one that lets suit you I'm gonna look at that last slide yeah done with that already we're gonna flip over to to the code here and and play around with the actual experience so you get to see it a little bit we go into presentation mode here so the examples we're gonna work with here I'm gonna work directly with the micrometer API and to just start out with I'm going to create a composite meter registry this composite is something that is auto configured for you in boot but hopefully by doing this a little manually here you'll kind of see how it works works better meter registry is our main interface that we use to register new metrics and iterate over them and so forth so we can add an implementation to this composite we're gonna add one of our sample configurations for Atlas for example and this is this is what's going on here so for the Atlas registry we just need a configuration object in this case we're gonna Atlas is a is a monitoring system that you push metrics to periodically and we've overridden the default to say we're going to publish metrics about once every 10 seconds in a production app typically you would for push based systems you'd push on an interval of like one minute or two minutes but we want to see things happen here quickly so we're going to reduce that to 10 seconds and then micrometer also has a concept of a clock and the clock is used for timers and rate normalization and all sorts of other things we have our own clock abstraction so that when we're writing tests against micrometer we can actually mock the clock and advance it and move it back and such so here we have one implementation we're gonna add another one here we're gonna have Prometheus now Prometheus is a pull based system so Prometheus by default you know the Prometheus server is running to the side in a different process a different instance and it it scrapes the host periodically for metrics so in this example we've we're actually creating a little HTTP server here and we're we're exposing a Prometheus grape endpoint we're gonna add a third register here just for good measure J and Max and let's start with with working with the first a simple kind of metric a counter notice here that I'm interacting with the composite and when I do that that metric is going to be registered with all the sub registries that are underneath it I'm going to create one match one metric like this we're gonna create a ping counter we're gonna create a similar one as well actually going to do a different form of this so we we have a we have simple you know off the registry you can create metrics like this or you can use a fluent builder on the meter type itself just kind of show you the two different styles here it's a little more decorative on what's going on and so both of those really result in essentially the same thing but you know oftentimes there's more you know more detailed information on the on the fluent builder you can can set base units and depending on the type sometimes there's more more configuration options and we're going to use because hey we're pushing reactive and this is a real neat we're just going to create a little simulation here and we're going to say every 10 seconds I want to or do on each rather I'm going to create a flux that ever that just every 10 milliseconds winds up incrementing this counter and then we heat a block that should be that that's our sample let's get that started I have J Council open somewhere we're going to look at the JMX side first so we have we can attach this local process right here and we can see that we have a by virtue of the the jmx registry we're getting both of these counters right here one with the tag of ping and one with the tag of pong and if you look at the attributes over here let me zoom out you see for a jmx registry we ship a bunch of different kinds of stats we ship the draw count this gets metrics get to JMX via drop wizard so you get things like fifteen minute wait and five minute rate and mean rate and one minute rate etc this is one of the things I was trying to emphasize yesterday JMX doesn't really have a query language for metrics right it's just it just displays values and so it's important when we ship something to JMX that we do some pre computed aggregates to help you make sense of what's happening over time and that's what we get through things like 5-minute rate and 15-minute rate and so forth when we look at the same data in zoom in we look at the same data in Prometheus we don't have to ship all those statistics for a counter there's just one statistic which is just a total and Prometheus knows how to just let that up along the tags and and display different information when we look at an atlas it looks a little different we can say something like this we something like this so the query languages are very different the structure the data is very different but we can you know glean some more kinds of information out of it when when we're looking at this value saying Atlas first of all we have tags over here we have tags that we've named this counter my counter but we've also tagged it tags are a big you know new feature essentially a micrometer this didn't really exist in our prior metrics instrumentation and spring boot eggs help you take your data and slice it along different dimensions so for example when we instrument HTTP requests for you in spring Mbutu we tagged your HTTP requests with the the method the HTTP method with the response code with the parameterised URI the actual end point that you're hitting you often tag your metrics with the instance or the Amazon region or all sorts of different things and what you can see here in atlas is when I just view my counter I'm viewing an aggregate of all the different combinations of tags that went under my counter so if you if you basically sum up all the increments that are happening ten millisecond and five millisecond intervals to both of these types ping and pong there's 300 it says there's you know roughly 300 things happening per second but then you can take the same [Music] metric mister comma you can take the same metric and explode it by dimension so in this case we're putting by that type mention and you can see that the contribution of pong to the total 300 things happening per second is only 100 things per second and ping because it's happening more frequently is it contributes 200 things per second so you can kind of split it up along those lines are there any questions about that where we're at thus far I want to make sure we checkpoint every once in a while here and and see where we're at yes sir yes you're asking houses different from drop lizard metrics yes so drop wizard metrics first of all are hierarchical they just have a name they don't there's no concept of tagging there's no concept of dimensions so you can kind of simulate dimensions in a hierarchical system by appending things to the end of the name like my counter dot type dot painting and in fact when micrometer ships metrics to a hierarchical system like JMX that's exactly what we do we have a strategy an interface called a hierarchical named mapper that we use to convert you know basically a key value pair of tags and squash it down into a single name so when we look at that that counter over here ping and pong you see my counter dot type top-paying because that's kind of what you have to do for for systems like atlas for systems like Prometheus data dog New Relic influx those systems are all fundamentally dimensional in nature so you can ship those tags as individual key value pairs and slice along them you don't have to bunch them into the name there's very different as far as the relationship between micrometer and drop those are just concerned micrometer uses drop wizard as a as a pass-through when were we're pushing metrics to hierarchical systems that drop those are supports so it's just 1 it's just for some particular path we push things through drop wizard but others we don't any other questions at this point about the composites or anything okay let's let's look at let's look at gauges for a moment gauges are different so we have a counter here encounters are really good for incrementing things that that are monotonically increasing over time so you know accesses to some particular resource or you know number of times you know an access has failed or something like that gauges are good at are good at monitoring things that have a natural upper bound so the the classical example of a gauges a speedometer on your car you can be at zero miles per hour if you're sitting still or presumably there's a limit like you can only go up to 130 miles an hour or something like that on your car and that value can fluctuate it can go up and down depending on whether you're stepping on the excited or stepping on the gas but it's naturally bounded it's it's somewhere in the middle there when we're interacting with a gauge in in micrometer it'll look something like this you'll have my gauge and then you have to provide we're gonna say we don't want any tags on this one you have to provide some object that you're monitoring the simplest one we're just going to monitor an integer that's moving but [Music] so be something like this when you define a gauge in micrometer you basically define how to measure the thing and then forget about it after that you just forget about it this is distinct from the way gauges are treated they were treated in but--one v and the way they're treated in other instrumentation libraries as well typically four gauges the definition is the same usually that it's a value that's had got a natural upper bound that can go up and down and so forth but you you have to manually increment and decrement it as things are happening and in this case we just define a function that explains how to get the value the value that's reported to the monitoring system since it can go up and down over time if I'm only publishing every one like once a minute the only value that the monitoring system sees is the value that existed at the end of that minute so if I spend a lot of time in my code incrementing and decrementing this gauge most of those intermediate values are just discarded anyway so when we define gauges we define them as something that you just you just tell me how to get the value and if I'm a push based system whenever I push I'm gonna go try to retrieve that value if I'm a pull based system when something scrapes me I'm gonna try to go get that value it works like that this you know this conception of gauges solves a whole class of problems we've had a hard time with for a long time my my colleague Marcin he's he struggled at one point with database gauges he had a service that was interacting with the database and he wanted to gauge the number of rows in a database again when you think about that that's something that's got kind of a natural upper bound I mean it can't have an infinite number of rows you can delete rows you can insert rows so it can kind of go up and down it worked okay for him to just anytime he inserted a row into the database he would he would increment this gauge and whenever he deleted one he would decriminalize instances you suddenly you can't instrument all the points where it's being incremented and decremented that's that's part of the value of defining how did how to retrieve that value once and just letting that executor every so often so in in these terms to report a gauge on the table size you would just execute a sequel query that counted rows instead it's just a totally different mechanism any questions on gauges or thoughts on that alright yeah well move on to timers timers are a much more complicated topic I mentioned yesterday some some kind of staggering things about timers that you know and this is further differentiation from from something like drop wizard micrometer knows how to do as a recap knows how to do compensation for a coordinated omission it knows that we need to ship a rolling max all the time it supports client side percentile computation and aggregate ascend tiles will show all those let's get started with the timer and we'll talk a little bit more about this in a bit so here we're going to grab I'm just gonna grab this block of code here and port it over I tell you what it is hard working on a screen of this size maybe the function timer for now so we still have our same setup here we have a composite registry with three things underpinning it we have our timer we're gonna publish notice we're using this fluent builder here and this flowing builder has extra options on it for a timer that don't exist on a counter so it has things like percentile histograms it has SL A's show both of those I should have to put this at like 270 and we're just gonna have a random number generator here and every so often we're going to decide you know stochastically whether we're gonna record a latency so we're just simulating traffic coming through a service here let's run this okay what do we call this thing timer so for Atlas anyway we'll put another parameter on the end of this put the x-axis down at zero so four for Atlas here we're able to take a timer and Atlas has a specific function that allows you to compute the distribution average so it just takes the total count of all time that's elapsed over this interval and divides it by the total number of occurrences so when we ship something to a monitoring system like Atlas that has a math operation like this that's built in for the express purpose of computing averages micrometer doesn't have to pre-compute an average and ship it and that's distinct from say a I'm never gonna find J console again it's distinct from J console Wow the zoom thing yes when we view that same timer over in a hierarchical system like jmx we have to pre-compute a bunch of aggregates we have to say we ship the count still we ship the sum but we compute things like 5 minute rate and 15 minute rate and Max and mean and so forth because again this doesn't really have a query language that allows us to do to execute those kind of math operations against it at the last minute that makes any sense over in Prometheus it looks a little different even so you could you would have my timer here you could look at the sum which is the total amount of time that was accumulated I think you have to what's that I was just timer and gate yeah there's probably one that was there before you get something similar you know we're sitting it around 250 milliseconds you see it kind of fluctuates around 250 milliseconds and you know again our we're just executing a latency here simulation based on normal distribution around 250 milliseconds so we you know we ship a separate series here to look at max ah that's just timer again get that right eventually this visualizations a little hard but you see that the max is something around you know 34 or 340 milliseconds something like that see how that's you know the shape of the data looks very different from from system to system so for for histograms or for percentiles it looks very different you can see like a see if I got in not going to get it right here am I so with prometheus prometheus you can use to compute a 95th percentile based on a histogram and so the histogram thing is interesting there's only a few monitoring systems that support this the idea would be that you take all your latency samples and you divide them up into buckets so in the simple case say we've got samples from one millisecond to ten milliseconds and we just split those samples up into buckets of one millisecond each so one two three four or five and so forth millisecond buckets and every time a sample comes in say it's five milliseconds we just increment the counter for the five millisecond bucket and to a system like Prometheus we just ship all those those buckets to the back end when we look at the Prometheus grape endpoint you'll see we have all these buckets that were shipping to it and they're just they're just individual counters with a particular constraint of a particular domain and we'll permit this can do with these it takes these these histograms which is a discretization of the real latencies and it can compute a percentile approximation based on that the great thing about this histogram based percentile approximation is if you want to take your your dimensional data like requests which we said you know maybe sliced by URI and status and HTTP method and so forth effectively for each unique combination of those tags you've got a different histograms you've got a different set of time series so you know when we get a response 500 from one particular endpoint the time it took to get that response back is accumulated to a bucket specifically for that dimension and then when we want to go and we want to see what's the 95th percentile for all requests of any response type that occurred from my service across the board we just have to take all these little histograms and just push them together you just overlay them on top of one another and accumulate their counts together and you can still compute the percentile the question is how would you go about instrumenting the controller to get that kind of information and the answer is you don't have to do anything in spring brew two or one five it's just done for you it's it's auto configured for you by default the the router the functional router yeah for we do need to get instrumentation in a web flux function I think actually there is we want to open the docks a little bit here but I don't know if we move these docks over or not but because the function router is reactive based you can essentially attach listeners to reactive and and do it that way so this is what it would look like for the the router the functional based approach if you had a you know a bunch of routes defined right here that doesn't change at all really you create this router function metrics type which is defined in in spring boot too and yeah you can attach a filter at the end of the whole router function chain and so that filter effectively instruments all the the requests coming through that route so back to the histogram thing that for systems that support that by aggregating those histograms together they can create slices of percentiles across dimensions and for those that don't if I first for example for a particular response code for a particular URI if I pre compute the 95th percentile I can't aggregate that with the 95th percentile that occurred against a different URI because you can't take percentiles and just average them you don't know what the the contribution of request was to each so this is one of the things that you can you with micrometer you can enable percentile histograms across the board and for those monitoring systems that support it you'll just it'll work and for those that don't nothing happens you know it just it just throws them away does that make you sense what are there any questions about timers in particular if I can emphasize one more thing regarding the max I it's it it's something that really you have to take to heart that like if you really need to plot the max when you're looking at request latency I mentioned yesterday if there's a 1% chance of something bad happening times 100 times something's occurring that's a 63% chance that something Bad's gonna happen I I drew up some numbers last night on it on a I think a more common scenario let's say you've got a web application that you know with different screens that people can click through and you've got say a typical user session they interact with five pages and each of those five pages in the process of displaying them interacts with say 40 timed resources so you know it interacts with some micro services interacts with some databases and some queues perhaps and things like that so maybe for this whole user interaction with your application they they hit 200 ish time you know time to resources I think that's relatively normally there may be fewer maybe more in this scenario there's like only point zero zero three percent of your users are not going to experience a latency that was worse than P 95 for one of those resources it's pretty nuts for the for the for the median if you look at the median so oftentimes people plot mean but median mean they're somewhat similar measures of centrality for latency there's a 99.999999 ten-nine chance that they're gonna see latency somewhere in there that was worse than p50 for one of those interactions and yet you know like the most common thing we do is we just plot average and just you know hope for the best across the board basically everybody has seen a worse than P 50 requests for for an interaction with your your application and if you look at P 99 I mean so P 99 often times you think you know that that really is is close lets if you plot P 99.9 still 18 percent of your users are going to experience something worse than P 99.9 somewhere in that those interactions by by working with your app so it really is important to look at max max when you do that okay move on to function counters a little bit function counters we're trying to be really practical with micrometer I know that there's a lot of existing instrumentation out there so when we went to say instrument guava cassia's guava already has a statistics interface on it but the kinds of metrics you get out of that are usually accumulative so the when you look at the guava statistics interface and say number of gets a number of gets that it returns is the number of gets since the application began and for observability purposes that's not super useful your app learns you know lives for a month knowing that I've hit the cache a million times yeah the longer the app lives the less useful that metric becomes what you really always want to look at is a rate you want to look at but you know over the last minute or the last 10 minutes what's the behavior going on and how is it changing week over week or day over day or you know across the last hour so micrometer has got a mechanism called a function timer or a function counter that we use to essentially turn those kind of the the I'd say like almost old types of Statistics interfaces like that that are accumulative we turn them into something that can be rate normalized so if I have a counter that like a regular counter like this we'll just simulate this I'm going to set up a function counter where I use the foil builder rather we'll set up a function counter to track just an atomic enter that we're going to increment every time and this is another one of those fire-and-forget types of things then we're going to do the same thing we're going to say like every 10 milliseconds we're going to increment this thing and what we should see is that this function counter when we view it in a system like a Prometheus or reviewed in an atlas something that's really focused on rate normalization I'll just restore this one that these value should have look the same we hope I should have both guess that thing died there's that one [Music] gotta love live demos right yep I never registered it it's not gonna help yeah so these values now are essentially the same but the function counter is tracking an integer that's being accumulated monotonically forever and the counter is is where you know it gets to observe each value and change so this is how we've got we've taken old you know kind of like older instrumentation techniques like existing guava or existing history etc and we've retrofitted them with metrics that you can use to actually observe the current state of things so when we think about like guava caches for example you often want to look at Miss ratio to determine whether your cache is operating efficiently or not sometimes you know the Miss ratio kind of gets thrashed a little bit and if you just gave it a little more Headroom the performance of your application would increase substantially but if you look at MIT's ratio over all time you know it doesn't doesn't really help you you could have a really good miss ratio in the morning and a really good bad one in the evening so you always want to be able to look at in time terms but and that's that any questions about function timers or function counters anything like that all right well so the last thing I'll say is we in spring Roo - we've we've Auto configured instrumentation for all sorts of different things for all the different cache types or hysterics for datasource metrics for scheduled methods for HTTP requests for outbound client requests there's just more all the time that concepts we call a meter binder you can you know if you've got a big concept like guava you can create a meter binder and just define a bunch of metrics inside of it and buying that buying that whole set to a registry and and and and that's all I've got what questions do you have any other questions yes sir yeah the question was do you do basic instrument is instrumentation of the JVM we do I like to say that we've like micrometer in some ways is a best of album of all sorts of different monitoring systems for JVM specifically one thing we really learned from Netflix is spectator the technique that it used to reach down like really deep into C courses and we've tagged GCE metrics with those that really detailed information about GC causes and since we've learned that from spectator and we've pulled it up into micrometer now no matter what monitoring system you're using you get that default that detailed information about GC metrics it is in spring boot - yeah so Jamie and metrics are on by a default in spring boot - yeah what other questions do you have yes sir in the back yeah the question is is there an AOP method that exists to to ensure in metrics you don't have to do it manually we it's it's kind of yes and no a o P specifically no right now micrometer has this annotation called at times it's got a few things on it it's got like percentiles and extra tags you can define whether the task is long-lived or not and you can hang that on certain types of methods but so far we've only really supported at time four things that we can use non AOP interceptors for so HTTP requests we don't need AOP in order to to intercept a method and get out this this annotation it's one of those things that the at time annotation exists and you know you're anybody would be welcome to create an AOP or any other proxy based mechanism to instrument arbitrary methods if they'd like but I don't really see it being much different to just either inject the registry or you can access a static form of it as well and do something like this you can you can just record anything that's happening underneath it right here so it's like if I had the choice of should have a opie everything or should I do this I think as a framework we should probably say out-of-the-box you know instrument it manually but you know because it's more decorative but it could be done if you wanted to yeah so the question is if the client has trouble connecting to the backend metrics server however we know that's you know registry by registry decision of course generally we omit a log like a an info log or a debug log statement every if you're publishing every minute we'll say this is how many metrics I successfully ship to this and for the conditions where you didn't succeed it's a Warner error level log yeah in the case of a pull based system I don't have an answer for you yeah the question was can you you monitor how much how many metrics you're sending many monitoring systems have some measure of how many metrics are getting there I should have mentioned one of the thing which is we have a filter concept it looks something like this we've got meter filters and so you can do you know meter filter dot there's all sorts of things we've got underneath us like you can just deny you know if the name starts with guava or something like that we've even got a facility for this or you can say deny name starts with guava or something like this so you can just basically shut metrics that are happening in spring Mbutu we've taken this actually in 1/5 as well we've taken this and we've bound it to properties so it looks something like this spring debt metrics top filter and suppose the metric name started with guava and so you could say enable false and you could just turn them off altogether so as you see metrics exist in more and more places like RabbitMQ and Hikari like you may not care about any of the RabbitMQ metrics and you can turn them all off you know in your whole application similarly for things that are timers we mentioned that you could do things like percentile histograms in default instrumentation and things like RabbitMQ we're suggesting that library authors do not enable that by default because percentile history games only even work for a couple monitoring systems out there they're super useful when you have them but you know a lot of times they don't even work so we're saying just defer that just go ahead and time the thing and will allow our end users to decide you know when and where they want to turn that on and spend that those extra time series in their database similarly you can set s LA's here things like that and so forth so it kind of looks like spring boots log filtering you know how you can do logging dot level etc that's we try to achieve the same kind of look here with metrics as well yes sir yeah this is are you monitoring the monitor the monitors the monitor you know it depends on the back end so you know when you go to Atlas the spectator is the pass-through spectator records metrics on that kind of stuff by default some do some don't we don't instrument micrometer itself right now maybe that would be a good meter buying her to offer as an option would be interesting wouldn't it yeah good question yeah so the question is what's the threading model when you're in different types of pools like NBC versus web flex if you're there's you know very very little contention in the actual instrumentation code itself so if you're recording a metric we've spent a lot of time to make sure there was very little contention the publishing side is always running on just a separate thread if you're doing publishing so it shouldn't interfere with any request traffic that's coming through yeah and if you've got a pull based system of course you know the thread model is precisely whatever the threading model is if your your system yes sir yeah you guys are asking awesome questions by the way I just knew like I was gonna forget a bunch of stuff so you're just reminding me so the question is how do you send metrics to the firehose my friend Ben Hale has already created a registry implementation for the Cloud Foundry firehose and its installed already on the java build pack so when you launch a java application on the java build pack on Cloud Foundry if micrometer is enabled because you have actuator metrics are just going to automatically get shipped to the firehose I think there was a question back there yes sir is there a way to turn off reporting he said yeah absolutely again good question should have addressed that earlier there's a so I guess I should have mentioned this initially all right I think it did early on spring booed Auto configures registry implementations based on the presence of an implementation on the classpath but secondarily it's property driven so you can do something like this spring dot metrics or I think we're going to call this export now so it might be a be consistent spring down metrics at export outdated dog there's an enabled property on it so you could set that true/false and we think this is really useful because we think you know you might pack your war with our jar with a couple different registry implementations and then conditionally enable them depending on what the stack is or the environment and you can do that in a property driven way then yeah yes sir yeah yeah you're asking for what called dynamic tag commutation and and I'm kind of letting not right now I the way to do it right now would be to you use like the record and provide like the timing at the end like kind of maintain the timing more manually Netflix is experimenting with us a little bit they've like they've thrashed on it a little bit because it's a request there as well and I'm kind of just waiting to see what they come up with first and and then copying whatever the result is the problem with with dynamic tight a commutation in general is if the value is like a function that you have to evaluate every time then you know it could have some instrumentation costs associated with it that beyond desirable but yeah I hear you yeah right the metric at the last minute yeah and so for those kind of error codes and such that we report an NBC metrics that's how we're doing it in the servo filter that were that we're doing so these are all great questions yeah you're just like writing the talk for me essentially yeah anything else I don't even know where we're at on time so all right well I'll be up here for sure you can hit us up on slack as well thanks for your time appreciate [Applause] you

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