Interview With FBI Whistleblowers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 276

[Music] contagious this world entrepreneurs we get no value to hate and how they run homie look what I become [Music] okay so today's podcast is a special one obviously if you've if you've turned on the TV or you watched Clips on Twitter Facebook YouTube you have seen these faces of these two gentlemen who are are going through an interesting phase right now as they're coming out as FBI whistleblowers against a lot of different things that's going on and so let me properly introduce them and then we're going to uh them sharing their experiences and we'll go into a bunch of different topics first we have Steve friend who is uh not the actor from A Few Good Men Steve friend is is an FBI agent since 2014 and recent whistleblower he grew up in Savannah Georgia he graduated from University in Notre Dame with a bachelor's in accounting he transitioned from business to career and law for law enforcement in 2009 he was sworn a sworn police officer in Savannah in Pooler Georgia for four years before joining the FBI in 2014 he spent seven years in the FBI investigating violent crime and major offenses occurring on Indian reservations in northeast Nebraska friend was also a member of the FBI Omaha SWAT team for five years he transferred to Daytona Beach in 2021 to investigate child exploitation human trafficking and childish sexual abuse material friend was reassigned to domestic terrorism case work in October 2021 and he was indefinitely suspended as an FBI Special Agent following his whistleblower disclosures in September 2022 and we'll get into that and then we have Garrett Boyle uh with one of the best hairdos out there got to give him credit for that hair oh boy I'm sorry yes Garrett O'Boyle uh he is a Christian a husband a father indefinitely suspended FBI agent former police officer infantry veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan truth Seeker he he's a special agent was given a new Simon in September of 2022 in Virginia he was stationed in Wichita Kansas at the time so he and his wife sold their home in August lived in Airbnb for a few weeks during the time the baby was born then in an RV for six weeks before finding rental property in which to live Garrett then reported to his new assignment in Virginia on September 26 2022 the FBI waited until the time to suspend him he was escorted out and suspended without pay they intended to close on a home shortly after which of course fell through as well because Garrett is still an employee of the FBI and they have prohibited him from earning wages that are more than 7 7 500 dollars per year I mean even Bernie Sanders will be pissed off at that right that's like that doesn't make any sense yeah they did not allow him to get everything they owned out of storage in Virginia for six weeks Garrett's family now with four young daughters were living out of suitcases for those six weeks without proper clothing uh for the weather or even toys for their children gentlemen thank you so much for being a guest here on Peabody podcast thanks for having us so first of all uh if you don't mind taking a moment uh and and kind of walking through the process of you're kind of sitting there like do we really want to go through this or not do we really want to do this I feel like the phase you're going through is when you want to become a whistleblower and there's talks that these guys may be coming on and they may be sharing stuff they first have to uh defund you in a way where you don't have any money let's get these guys to be broke number two they have to discredit you they don't know what they're talking about you're not true whistleblowers then phase three is demonize you I don't know if demonizing faces even here period I don't know what's to come next to you guys going to be very ugly with you guys and then at the end if you're right and your testimony your arguments and people fighting on your side then there's Vindication right I think you're right now in the discredited demonizing phase that you are but what was the process you guys went through and saying look do we want to do this or not and I know there's a George Hill there's a Gary shapely and there's a few other uh folks there as well but maybe walk us through what made you guys say you know what I'm doing this I'm not holding back anymore go ahead for me it uh it got to a point where there had been numerous things in the FBI that I saw over the just the short time I'd been in it and it boiled down to a conversation I ended up having with my wife and I think it was it was roughly October of 2021 and I said you know this agency truly isn't uh they truly don't care about doing the right thing I know that is the main talking point of the FBI and they drill into your head Fidelity bravery and integrity from day one and we see it on TV shows and everything we're all led to believe that this institution is beyond reproach and it's not it's as simple as that it's not above reproach they are sinful human beings just like me just like every other but then there is malice or hubris or a goal to strive to promote and those things aren't often aligned with the Constitution with the oath we took it's not aligned with how law enforcement is supposed to properly function in this nation and when you start seeing those things uh it at first for me it was like maybe that's just a personality Quirk of that person or that supervisor but then over time it's it it's repetitive maybe different instances different things that occur but it it starts to build and then there's a mountain of evidence where there's a lot of wrongdoing going on and so I had this conversation with my wife and I said you know I don't think uh they want someone like me uh they don't want someone who's willing to point out the the errors of the agency because I had initially this is one of the smears that that they tried at the hearing um where they said oh well you never went to your chain of command that's or actually that was in my deposition but uh that's false uh it started with them and I made numerous complaints to them even bringing up Supreme Court case law bringing up federal statutes even just simple morality and it was always like hey yeah maybe that's a good point but um nothing ever happened and so um I talked to my wife and I said I think I'm going to go to congress with some of my concerns and I did in in November and of 2021 is when I first did that and then uh every time after that whenever another instance of malfeasance or areas that I had a reasonable belief of wrongdoing was occurring I would recontact Congress and say hey this is a here's another example here's another example of what's going wrong in the FBI and I think Congressman Jordan um nailed it on the head at the hearing when he said something to the effect of they became aware of my whistleblowing activity in regards to the school board threat tag and they said we got him right where we want him he's in the middle of this transfer if we can get this guy then nobody else is coming forward and I truly think that that is what happened of course I don't know for sure I'll probably never know because the FBI won't release any of the information about why I uh regarding their investigation into me so they're making an example out of you is that what you're saying I believe that's the case yeah yeah I have a follow-up but I want to hear yours as well and then I got a couple questions for you go for it I never really had the the thought of I'm going to become a whistleblower I I've always has prided myself on being a professional and and going about my job the right way and my motto is paint the fence and I kind of view the mission of the FBI is a giant fence and if everybody paints a section of the fence it's in their yard this whole fence is going to get painted so I'm going to focus on what's in front of me control the controllables and the FBI gives you specific training on you go to the Holocaust Memorial Museum you go to the MLK Memorial and and the point of that is it's it's drilled into your head that these type of atrocities and civil rights violations only happen when law enforcement is out of control it becomes a weaponized apparatchik of a politicized arm of the government or when good people do nothing correct correct and uh I had concerns once uh I was rolled from child pornography investigations into domestic terrorism because that initial phone call I overheard my manager talking to the higher up and they said child pornography was not going to be resourced anymore and I know that's a significant violation but again paint the fence I'm a team guy I'm going to roll into that and it was a very apparent early on once that happened that there was just not a lot of work to do and eventually when uh when things came to a head and we were going to be making these arrests on on subjects I had two concerns one was the FBI was departing from the rules and as a professional when I go to trial I want to make sure my case is buttoned up I I was taking it on good faith that those were righteous prosecutions that I hadn't had a chance to work the mid bin sort of worked before my time and I didn't want to be in a position position on the stand where I was unprepared and I don't care about the other cases though they've been successful so you should be successful too I'm painting the fence I want to make sure I'm buttoned up there's some exculpatory evidence we need to hand it over to defense because that's the right way secondarily we were going to be using a SWAT team or a large-scale arrest operations with lots of dozens of agents and it was for people who were either accused of misdemeanor crimes or even if they were accused of felonies that they had pledged to be cooperative with law enforcement and I just put myself in the position of it's easy to Monday Morning Quarterback Waco or Ruby Ridge and say well I would I would have said hey guys this is a mistake I felt like I was that guy in that situation and I said look this is going to happen and we have been lucky so far that nothing has transpired where there's a risk to our personal safety or to the subject's personal safety we can just call this guy on the phone and brought that to my supervisors and uh immediately became apparent that I was in over my head because the response that I got from three levels of management was you have a really great reputation and great career ahead of you are you sure you want to do this wow so so you know it's it's interesting I remember being in the Army and I'm looking at everybody at the unit I was at to see where politically they're at and you're kind of like okay cool and I wasn't a guy that followed politics but I'm like okay that's where they're at I don't even say anything I'm just going to do my job I'm good to go I'm at 100 as well and hey this is what I'm going to be doing I'm good to go all right then you get out of the army and you're working at a environment where in the company I was a part of a nearly 50 percent of guys I work with were LDS so there were Mormons and I'm learning about hey you know Gordon B Hinckley and and these their virtues and this is this and you know here's what's going on in Utah and I'm looking cool I respect this is what these guys are doing no problem I go to Harvard for a business program and it was at the same time when Hillary Clinton and Clinton and Trump had their first debate and the the one where you'd be in jail I don't know whichever ones it's either the first or second I don't know which one it was because you'd be in jail right not the best we're watching this at the chow hall chow hall is not the military child hall because that's what I thought it was spelled chow hall is a man's name called ciao and Hall so I was so confused you understand what I'm saying I literally go Harvard you'll see it's a guy that's a very can you can you Google or Harvard child Hall please it's a very wealthy man in Harvard the building is called the chow hall so all the military guys were like you got me waiting for some some you know ghetto food with whatever but no it's actually fantastic so funny so we're watching the debate and I'm sitting quietly on the sideline this is eight years ago and I'm watching I'm like every when I tell you 99 of the people were rooting for Hillary at Harvard which is a institution of thinking and you know it's advancement and you got critical thinking nope 99 and every time Trump got her boo boo and I'm like wow yeah this is this is pretty ridiculous I like a good debate you guys are all on one side this is not a university this is a [ __ ] show year right so but eventually you do one of two things when you're in an environment like that you either sit there and you say well I better not say anything because I know where these guys stand or you sit there and you risk saying something and if you do you're going to create a lot of enemies did you both have a moment like that where you're sitting there saying well I kind of know every one of these guys are they hate Trump every one of these guys can't stand Republicans every one of these guys I better not say anything and try to be as level-headed as possible on my argument or you're like no everybody knew what we stood and I still get my argument what was it like for me where I was in Wichita I'd say most of the people there um we were reasonably minded people but it boiled down to so there's a passage in the Bible in Ephesians Ephesians uh where it talks about the armor of God and a key theme of that is standing firm and that means standing firmer in your faith against the schemes of the devil and standing firm for the truth and you mentioned it it's not easy it has not been easy you can only imagine and it it I'm sure it will get hard again I'm sure um the spiritual forces at work are mounting and attack and I'm certain the FBI is mounting some type of attack on me and Steve and others for speaking out because the like you said about Harvard the institutional rot it is it's it's everywhere it has been infiltrated everywhere and so I wouldn't say it was like a watershed moment of like not this is the hill you know I think I think that the hill is picked for us and we just have to obey the Supreme Commander uh Christ and if we don't do that then then we will have to account for that at the end and uh so it was more for me it was more of that aspect and then locally in Wichita it was I would bet most of the people there agree with me about most of these things for instance the school board threat tag my boss himself when that threat tag came out came to my squad because I've worked jttf so and it was a criminal and a ctd criminal terrorism division uh tartag he straight up said to us we will not be going to school board meetings on the squad now we never got tasked with actually having to do that so my question is if the pressure came from above because in the FBI that's my stance is that HQ level senior staff executive staff level that is where the institutional route is is the worst and the and the headquarters level that's where it's the worst so if that pressure came down from above um would he have stood firm on that um belief that we wouldn't go to those school board meetings I don't know um because I'm pretty sure Steve was one of the agents who was ordered to go to one of those school board meetings yep Yeah we actually surveilled a subject a January 6 subject we were told that he was going to be going to a school board meeting uh that was going to be expected to be kind of Rowdy there was some pornographic material that was discovered in the school library so a lot of parents were going to it and it was sort of clear to me at that point that there was there was an attempt to marry January 6 domestic terrorism to school boards we wound up going to the parking lot and watching this guy and and we were attempting to document anybody who we was meeting with to get their license plates and and that's just another Downstream uh collateral damage effect of this growing domestic intelligence agency that the FBI has sort of evolved into but to the original question for me just sitting in the room with these people um I felt like I had conviction about what I believed and no man can serve two masters they were attempting to please their higher-ups because their ambition and their passion for the FBI is to promote that's that's really what it is once you get into those management not leadership management ranks within the FBI promote from within promote and it's a very systematic process where it's every 18 months you need to be filling out your resume and doing it in a certain way pleasing the right people to go to the next role so they're never actually doing the job they want to do their job in their mind is get to the next job so they just didn't have the conviction that I had where I say this is not an easy decision but it's simple and when I was bringing my concerns to them they were some of them were genuinely perplexed that I would put this out there to them when I could just simply do what I was told there there were some True Believers in my my special agent in charge she certainly used some Choice words with me she called me a conspiracy theorist and she said that I represented a fringe belief and that I couldn't possibly understand anything that happened on January 6 because I wasn't there but she was there on the seventh floor which is FBI internal code speak if you say the seventh floor that means the the FBI director means you're an important person by proxy so she said I was on the seventh floor that day that those people tried to seize our democracy and that phrase that language choice to me says that she's really a True Believer and that was in keeping with things that she had done we're we're now in the uh the Blessed month of of June here and uh she put up a gay pride flag display in our in our office in Jacksonville and after the the Dobbs decision was uh rendered she put an email out talking about women's rights potentially being lost so definitely uh was not hiding her her left politics um uh first of all I want to thank both of you guys for your service both law enforcement and Military me and Pat are both veterans and I I saw the entire hearing last night we flew in from Texas and it was not only embarrassing it was disgusting just to see how from everything you guys have done it takes one second I think it was you gear you said that you sworn you didn't swear an oath to the FBI you guys swore an oath to the Constitution of the United States which states all enemies foreign and domestic this is the domestic that's them that's the domestic so I want to ask you guys a question in regards to January 6th I I think I read something that they didn't want to lump everybody in just as one case they did it individually so these people when they went home they could go after them in all these states to make it seem like white supremacy and this terrorism was widespread is that one of the directives that they told you guys that that that's my wish and blur complaint that's it right there they said you let them go home and then we'll get them individually so we can make this whole January 6th it's not just it wasn't just this one event it was Across the Nation yeah it's the the way the FBI rule book says is if the offense occurs in a location you're supposed to open it in that location and investigate it you can do what they did which was they opened a separate case for every single person assign them to the areas where they lived for logistical purposes however once that decision is made and it's very dubious that they made that decision yeah it's it's very clear that they're juking the stats of course but it's still allowable where they then departed from the rules it's definitely a departure is they stood up a task force in Washington DC which was giving directives to the agents in the field who on paper were supposed to be in charge of those cases so there was a situation and I expressed this to my bosses I could go on the stand and the defense attorney will say agent friend did you do anything in your case did you make any decisions and I would have to honestly say no I didn't and then that puts the federal prosecutor position where he has to impeach me and we could be in trouble and we could have a guy who was doing something legitimately wrong walk on that it has nothing to do with January 6. it has something to do with the process and then this just represented the largest most egregious example of what the FBI does with Statistics pertaining to domestic terrorism and all across the board I mean it's all a numbers game and I'm sure you'll appreciate this this is something that's been around for 10 years it's called integrated program management and this is a metric system think of it as the traffic cops got to write his ticket quota the FBI uh implemented about a decade ago no surprise domestic terrorism numbers have quadrupled in 10 years and it is not only tied to funding requests from from Congress for the agency it is tied to executive compensation senior executive service members get somewhere between Thirty and fifty thousand dollars because their subordinates are able to open up a certain number of cases use certain tools so Garrett can speak to this you're pressured to open up a wiretap the most invasive investigative tool legitimate tool but you're pressured to because we have to have at least one wiretap this year so boss can get his bonus does fisa warrants fall into that too they do files of warrants under that it's like if you do if you put a warrant on somebody they're like you've got a Bonus like is that insane yeah so a Title II wiretap and a fisa uh our what the FBI considers sophisticated techniques it's part of this IPM structure that Steve was talking about and it's it's part of the metrics that they have to meet every field office has to meet and it's it's basically a check mark system red bad you didn't meet the standard green you met what you set out to do gold you exceeded so say for any given year the Kansas City field office says hey we need to get three wiretaps or of either sort fisa or title three so of course that pressure is going to then trickle down onto the people doing the actual work because the boss wants to get that that gold check mark so you get that bonus and and it's especially in law enforcement in the alleged Land of the Free you have a system in place where you're giving a monetary bonus for law enforcement work that is not how the scales of Justice are supposed to tip because in law enforcement you seek the facts you find this the as many facts as you can because that is going to get you as close to the truth as possible with any given case you may not ever know the entire full truth but you can get close enough and well that's why we have a court system and and a different standards of um you know you have Reasonable Suspicion and probable cause and Beyond A Reasonable Doubt and all these things uh because you may never get 100 of the truth but when you have the highest ranking member in any field office really in in the Forefront of their mind thinking man I know I have a really nice SES salary but I can get that bonus bumped up even more if if we can get a lot of these sophisticated techniques or numbers of arrests or whatever and it's like that's that's not how law enforcement is supposed to work that's how sales works right because sales team is like who determines that comp plan who created that comp plan 10 years ago the federal government oh the the IPM structure I'm not sure but there is a federal statute across all federal government for all SES employees but who created that content incentive who who led it it's FBI it's all it's all across the FBI it's all across the board all across every every federal government institution it had to be the government it was an outside Consulting I don't know if it was McKinsey or somebody like that that they brought in I I believe it was actually multiple Consulting companies kind of came up on this system and it's it's not even just opening up in a certain number of cases in using certain number of tools and then you start playing the sales game of I've had situations where I was told hey we already hit our numbers for this year we don't want to exceed them too much because then we're going to have to hit higher numbers next year can you delay indicting that case for a couple months till the new fiscal year and by the way I can see that happening because in sales it's called sandbagging so what what that means is say you have end of the month you already beat everybody but you got 28 deals you can wait and hang on to for five days to report on the first of the next month to start off strong and you've already hit your bonuses for the month so you send back but that's in business and sales if there's anywhere there shouldn't be sandbag in is the FBI well you're putting the public at risk of Fraud and Force and and I think it would be interesting and I've never done this but now that you've mentioned that um maybe do a statistical analysis of how many cases get brought in the first week of October interesting wow yeah Q4 is what you're saying that's right that's fiscal year rules over September 30th to October 1 is a new fiscal year yeah I wonder how many search warrants get loaded up on October 1st 2nd and 3rd just because those squads are saying we're holding this back and then at the first possible moment because and they're at their core they're still cops they want to go get the bad guy and then they just unleash at that point that's actually a great point I doubt the FBI would ever release that information but I'm sure Steve can attest to that well anybody who work who's worked in government at the end of the fiscal year what happens hey we got this much money left we got to spend it spend it spend spend it or we're not going to get it next year there's a few things I would want to know and Adam I'm going to say this and then I'm going to come too so I think you want to say something there's a few things I want to know uh you know the data data that shows for every conservative Professor there's 11 to 13 liberals in College University it's great it's good for us to know that and in the stat that says for every you know out of a hundred teachers K through 12 and public schools 97 of them in English English teachers 97 out of 100 teachers gave to democratic party three gave to a Republican and then go to health teachers K-12 it's 98 to 2 and then if you do math and science it's 87 to 13 right where we know at least Math and Science 87 are Democrats 13 are Republicans conservatives great what percentage of FBI as a whole would you say are Democrats or Republicans or independents that that's a tough one to put as a whole because there's some great divisions within the FBI so there's about 40 000 employees in the FBI only 14 000 are special agents so the majority of the population is support staff um it's different culturally for support staff I think they tend to lean and especially in the intelligence analysis field they tend to lean left those are the people that are writing essentially their profession is writing College term papers and they're very over-educated College mindset so that that and you've seen like that Richmond field office a radical traditional catholic memo came out from an intelligence analyst definitely only using left-wing sources on that as far as the administrative staff goes I never really dug into politics with too many of them I think from the the agent population then you also have to split between the rank and file boots on the ground guys that just want to be cops and and they tend to be moderate to conservative uh I think that that's it's gun culture I mean you're obviously the Second Amendment comes in and that's going to be a good guide a Plumb line for politics and if you're comfortable carrying a gun you probably support Second Amendment you're probably conservative but the management structure is left-leaning and I I attribute that to the the way that that process works it's very self-selecting because in order to become a manager in the FBI you have to be one to be willing to go back and forth to Washington DC all the time Family Roots aren't there secondly you have to initiate something that is new and novel uh do something with a splash to put on your resume and the nature of a conservative person is what do I what's the waste Fraud and Abuse that I can cut and just do the job sure the person who's left leaning is not opposed to a new initiative and that's where you know I made the comparison to the uh the the movie Jurassic world where Vincent d'onofrio's character wants to use the Velociraptors to go after terrorists and and it's it's funny but it's it's true because it briefs well you put it on a PowerPoint we don't need a drone strike we've done that I can't promote off a drone strike or send an unseal team I'll use Velociraptors and that's how somebody would promote within the military and within the FBI is it a similar structure like when you're in the Bible if you're watching this and you're enjoying and you want more you want to hear more from what these gentlemen have to say in a long form podcast where they can talk freely it's about them today it's not about us but if you give it a thumbs up subscribe to Channel and share it so other people can see it as well we've grown quickly to 10 000 people live watching it right now I think more and more people need to hear what these gentlemen have to say in the middle in the military you know how uh uh hhc or headquarters would look at field they would look at grunts like you're you're dumb you just carry a gun and I'm an officer my my boots are always shine and clean look how dirty your boots are you know I'm always I got my stuff from you know Quartermasters I got my crease everything you look like you know dirt you don't look good you don't do this there was a certain like I'm smarter than you I'm better than you and then when you would say yes sir to enlisted they're like hey don't don't tell me that I work for a living is is it that kind of a mindset where the guys at that level think you guys are just just listen go do the work but we're gonna tell you what to do is it kind of like that kind of a culture yeah okay you know because I can speak to the Army side of things too very similar experience I had a couple really good officers um but by and large that type of hubris it's it has infected the FBI at the senior management levels yeah that's a problem when that happens because when it's a top-down and and the guys are doing the work and by the way you both worked under Comey and you worked on the ray right I was just under Ray you were just underrate okay so you got involved what year when when 2018 I got hired 2018. so he's 2017 August I think is when he came in and right before that was Comey for whatever four years he was in how different was it was there was there a immediate feel of a different in culture under Comey array or no you don't feel nothing it was the same thing well I I didn't really feel it I was in a small office but I do think that there was a cultural change that happened and we were talking about this actually earlier um after September 11th when Bob Mueller became the FBI director and the transition to the intelligence agency that you now see through its full fruition began and the people that came in uh under Mueller in the early days they're now in a position of leadership in the FBI so they came in it's very Patriot Act neocon mindset that maybe inspired them to join then Comey comes in and he brought in the I'm ethical beyond all reproach and and unethical I I am ethical and I I I think the story is that the his lieutenants and the folks that were around him and are now ascending these very high levels they were called the College of cardinals because they are True Believers in their utmost morality you cannot question they've never looked in the mirror and said am I the bad guy and now they are the executive assistant director what an arrogant way of doing things oh my God that's disgusting I've been around people like that I've never met anybody that's you know there's people like that in church there's people like that in schools there's people like that everywhere and they're very annoying to work for and work with and there's there's a big gap also in their experience on on the ground with people so take Jennifer more she's just about to retire at the executive assistant director uh she's been the FBI since the mid 90s she came in before uh her time she was not an agent she was a support staff and then eventually became an agent she worked FBI cases from 1999 to 2005. in a 30-year career six of them were spent actually doing the investigative work that she is now having this managerial responsibility of overseeing and I think that that just leads to a tremendous disconnect between the the management class and the rank and file I I want to get back to this concept of being a whistleblower right so the definition of whistleblower is a whistle whistleblower protection act of 1989 the law protects federal employees who disclose evidence of waste fraud or abuse which you know you guys are doing all right under this act federal employees are protected from retaliation uh when they disclose information that they are reasonably believe shows evidence of Rogue doing all right cool so when I think of the concept of a whistleblower in simple terms it's almost like a referee like the referee in sports I'm a big Sports guy your job is not to root from one particular team your job is to basically call balls and Strikes blow the whistle uh when you see a foul and and let the game uh be played out so the nature of the the job of the FBI as to what investigate crimes defend the Homeland um uh defend against National Security threats right not supposed to be apolitical no ideology whatsoever just blow the whistle balls and Strikes be the referee so when you think of whistleblowers over the last decade or so who comes to mind Edward Snowden he blew the whistle on the overreach after the Patriot Act and basically uh the mass National surveillance that was going on on a global scale everything with Julia Assange Wikileaks Chelsea Manning everything happened with that I mean the most famous whistleblower was deep throat right with um Mark esper with uh the Nixon the Watergate situation so in simple terms I'm just kind of framing this for you guys in simple terms when they look back at what you guys have done when people tell your story uh what are you blowing the whistle on exactly so there's been a handful of things for me um one of the main ones that I that I like to talk about we've touched on a little bit is the stat padding so because Steve said in the last decade domestic terrorism stats have gone up 400 percent well I have an example proving just that so I had a case it was technically one case but the FBI had me open up four cases because there were four individuals involved who are all part of the same group so if you multiply that across all field offices you know in my individual example it's a 400 increase but multiply that across and it's like it shows this picture to America that there's this huge domestic terrorism problem the January 6 example that Steve has is another example of that because then every field office is opening all these separate cases and and then the FBI can say look we really do have this huge domestic terrorism problem when in actuality it's not really uh showing the the whole truth or the real facts of what's going on we talked about the school board threat tag that was another one for me um that I blew the whistle on and then uh another threat tag it was uh threats to scotus 2022 that was shortly after the Hobbs decision came down reversing row which in that instance the left were the ones who were up in arms you know protesting outside of Supreme Court Justices homes which is a federal crime which to my knowledge even to to right now no one has been charged with that um but when the FBI sent out that threat tag part of the information was to focus on people who have a pro-life ideology and again my boss was the one who brought this threat tag to my attention and he said you know part of the guidance says to to dig into pro-life people why would we do that they're going to be happy about this they're not going to be attacking anybody and this threat tag is supposed to be about protecting Supreme Court Justices not about you know some some firebombing attack on a on an abortion clinic which also if you're pro-life you're not going to attack at that moment because you're counting that as a win and then um what multiplied that for me which is why I blew the whistle on it is then I got tasked with um questioning a CHS of mine which is what the FBI calls a confidential human source so that's in common parlance it's a CI a confidential informant and so in that one I was like okay we just got this threat tag now I just get this tasking to go talk to this guy and even him when I asked him these questions he was like why are you why are you is this just like a yearly check-in or what and I'm like well no I was tasked to ask you these and I know they don't make sense because in light of the Hobbes decision you know you you're you're probably happy right and so all of that combined and then I had a January 6th one where the FBI was trying to get me to serve uh Federal grand jury subpoena when I had a no indisha of evidence to do so and um and then on top of that during that lead that I got that I also had a facial recognition match they claimed it was a facial recognition match they used a driver's license photo from about 25 years prior to say here's your facial recognition match and that's inappropriate law enforcement activity and even when I was pushing back on that I still had a guy saying you have a match and I was like but I don't because here's the current driver's license photo and the guy looks way different he has he's bald he's you know 150 pounds heavier than the match and it's like this is this is wrong there's no due process here um and then that one was also based off of an anonymous tip which holds very little weight um navarrette versus California is the Supreme Court law that gets into anonymous tips in law enforcement um I'm trying to think what else I can talk about because I've done there's been a number of things and but you said padding the stats you also mentioned that is that exactly what you're blowing the whistle on yeah that was that and then the concern for Public Safety where they were going to be using the SWAT for a guy who said I'll cooperate um so I thought put him at risk and then and then the ensuing time since my suspension I think we're both kind of become uh whistleblowers at least in the public sphere reasonably for Garrett um about how the law you're citing is not being respected or adhered to by the FBI as far as we're we're experiencing tremendous retaliation and the FBI has found a hack to circumvent that law and they use the security clearance suspension process to do that and Steve you were you're you were going after child exploitation human trafficking child uh sexual abuse they take you off of that to put you on we got to make sure these people like get in deep deep trouble for January 6. that was what you were actually doing like real work real change and they take you off to do yeah and then to elaborate in that just to quickly uh I was on those cases I I was told that hey just make yourself available for these terrorist cases because there's really not a lot of work to do um so for actually I'm I was told to commit essentially time card fraud which is a felony and on my time card I was saying I am a domestic terrorist agent um and I wasn't really doing anything because those cases had been already worked they were sitting in DC waiting for them to tell us what to do in the meantime I kept working my child born cases to the point where I got an award about six weeks before I was suspended for my work on child support cases which I wasn't supposed to be doing wow guys you guys both the question all we keep hearing from the left is with Biden all these it's just like every day it's the same BS that the biggest threat to this nation is white supremacy and domestic terrorism age I'm pretty sure I know the answer do you guys believe in that and if you had to pick one that obviously is not that what would it be the biggest threat to us as Americans so I was a domestic terrorism agent that was yeah that was what I was assigned to and uh I'm not saying it isn't a threat and that there are threats in that realm but uh white supremacy I I didn't see it um domestic terrorism as the biggest threat I didn't see it it's just the boogeyman for today and um I put it like this go back through the FBI's history 1920 we had the Palmer Raids which the FBI rounded up a bunch of Communists and deported a bunch of them without due process there was like one in 100 who got charged with anything fast forward to the 30s the FBI rounds up Japanese in this country and puts them in internment camps fast forward a little bit more FBI tries to get Martin Luther King Jr to commit suicide fast forward a little bit more it's uh Weather Underground in the 80s fast forward to the 90s it's uh domestic terrorism like Waco and Ruby Ridge and all that 2000 Patriot Act which by the way would be Hoover's wet dream um yeah because because he was big on he was big on intelligence too Patriot Act opened the floodgates for the FBI to gather intelligence on everyone and patreon supposedly was for uh um International threats it has been not so now we fast forward after the Muslim extremist threat is over now it's turned inward domestically and so it's just the current Boogeyman his speech that he gave at that college is is absolutely ridiculous so if you had to pick and I want to ask you to see what what would you say is it still just actual outside terrorism that's the like the number one threat to the American public I think the number one threat to the American public is a government weaponized against its people I that's I was going to say that myself there's an article here that was written why the FBI and Democrats are attacking whistleblowers by Alex gutentag and Michael Schellenberg I don't know if you guys have read this or not so humans humans mentioned the chs's you know the whole uh uh uh what do you call them the the confidential humor sources right so in this article it says core documents indicate that there were at least eight FBI informants known as chs's for confidential human informants into proud boys which was one of the groups that organized DeGeneres 6 protests there's evidence that FBI also had CHS and Oath Keepers Another January 6th the activist group and former FBI supervisor intelligence analyst Georgia told a subcommittee that the Boston office asked for video footage from the six protests the Washington field office said they could not give access to the 11 000 hours of video footage available because there may be UCS undercover officers or chs's which will be just talked with confidential human sources on those videos whose identity we need to protect and it wasn't just the FBI who had undercovered informants and agents in the crowd they were undercover agents and informants from other law enforcement enforcement agencies including the Washington DC Metro Police who were acting like Trump support Trump supporters indeed there may have been hundreds of undercover government agents and informants both local and Federal in the crowd on January 6. some even said there were 100 to 200 Secret Service agents alone at the Capitol Hill before and during the breach of the police barriers one Court filing alleges that there were at least 20 FBI assets at the Capitol so when you see stuff like this you know and you're one that's on the other side and we watched you know the last 10 years um eight years fifteen six sixteen so what eight years since seven years since 16 Russia collusion Trump oh man why did you do you know so even the average person that's kind of sitting there saying oh my god the guy I've voted for is doing this you got to be kidding me right Democrats obviously ran with it you know all these guys oh we have a hundred percent evidence of what happened here and like uh that wasn't right oh you guys just a Durham report ah it's not a big deal let's just move on you know you know the dossier was paid for Hillary Clinton let's just move on to the next stop so and then so Obama was what Obama knew all along while they were investigating Trump yeah but you know what everybody knows because he's the president and the Mar-A-Lago let's go do this yeah because he has these documents so you know January 6 look what he did it's terrible the more and more and more they try to spin this and and then it comes out two three years later as being bad The credibility keeps taking a hit to the point where now they're talking about you know people are running for president talking about getting rid of the FBI because it's messing up uh the nation and dividing us right how much of what Al Alex and Michael wrote were you guys aware of where they are saying hey we want you guys to go there undercover and join these organizations to kind of work like you know what uh our friend did with the mob back in the days in the 80s what's his name that the movie came out Donnie Brasco yeah Joe pastone you know like he was six years he was undercover Five Years on ten months how much of that was happening with January 6 and the Trump organization I think a tremendous amount of that was going on and let's just we can remove the January 6 aspect to it let's take another case that's a little smaller scale let's take the Gretchen Whitmer uh Wolverine Watchman case which I actually had involvement in the governor of Michigan you're saying this where the the Homegrown terrorists were gonna kidnap kidnap that story yeah yeah okay yeah and so the the demand for domestic terrorism in this country is from the political Elite in this in the uh the people standing at the lectern it vastly outstrips the supply that actually exists and the nature of the FBI that has now evolved from law enforcement to domestic intelligence collection uh our friend Kyle Serafin puts us really well criminal investigations are linear beginning crime happens middle investigate and there's a conviction intelligence operations are circular you open an investigation up to get more intelligence what does that get you more intelligence was they get you the ability to spin out other investigations that are more intelligence so because there's a demand for domestic terrorism and then there's these intelligence operations that go on you infiltrate these groups that are deemed to be problematic or they could be a threat they could be a domestic terror group so you take this this group of guys in in Michigan who is not predisposed to doing this but you infiltrate it with Undercovers and informants and the thing about informants are they know they're informant nobody else does they don't know if if Garrett and I have both infiltrated the Wolverine Watchmen as informants we wouldn't know that so then you get a situation where they're in the room and I'm like trying to be report back to my guy so I can get paid hey you know it would be a good idea we should we should maybe come up with a plot here to do something and then he's got to one-up me because he wants to report back to his Handler and he get paid and that's how the thing can snowball out of control and that's why you see these situations like on January 6th or back to Whitmer where these guys were not predisposed to engaging in something that was going to be violent or anything that could be construed as terrorism and in fact at one point in that case the group was breaking down and the Agents were telling their informants hold it together which is not in keeping with the tradition of law enforcement if there's a if there's a plot to rob a bank and on the way one guy's like nah that's not you don't arrest him for robbing the bank now on January 6th there I I'm very confident that there was infiltration from informants and Undercovers on not just the FBI who gets painted with the brush of being federal law enforcements everything the Department of Homeland Security has 10x the budget of the FBI and has a Nexus 2 terrorism and National Security so see we saw that guy uh Ray Epps which he was all over the internet all we kept seeing is this guy who looked like a carbon cutout of an of a freaking agent Mega hat Grace uh khakis he was verbally on camera saying we need to go we need to attack the capital if that's not inciting violence apparently they interviewed him and then they let him go everybody else that was just on the bus showing up was arrested the FBI went after them do you guys have any idea who that guy is what agency he might have worked for because it looks it looks pretty apparent to People Like Us who that type of guy is did you track on his responses to the questions I I saw I saw I did see him message changing his uh his nephew or something I forgot what was he saying he's just like I started I started so how does the FBI not go after that guy yet they're going after people that barely did they were just there you know what I mean yeah so I think it's clear to anybody paying attention yeah the only answer is that he's working with the government to some degree because no I don't I don't have any personal knowledge of that but it doesn't take a suspended FBI agent to see that information and be like oh yeah he's he's got to be involved somehow because and there's video of him like pushing Gates and saying go go and the night before saying we're storming the capital and the taxis nephew but he's not charged instead he gets a puff piece on 60 Minutes a few weeks back especially when we know the media is controlled by the government and the left and we're we're finding out in the Twitter files and things that continue to come out that the media that the CIA has involvement with our own media so it it seems very clear to anybody who's been paying just even a small amount of attention that he's got to be his answers yeah were very lawyerly he he always says I didn't work for the FBI the question should be have you ever worked for the government true well and this so as agents when we have a CHS when we talk to them we have to and I think this actually came out of the church committee hearings in the 70s because back then because some of the informants back then testified publicly and the the way they responded was I was working for the FBI I was working with the FBI we have to explicitly tell chs's now you can't claim that you work for or with the FBI like it's not a job we have to tell them that so when when someone answers I've not worked for the FBI he's remembering what he was told by his handlers potentially yeah for you guys uh take off your FBI hats for a second and just be regular good old Americans all right we're talking about January 6 for a second how do you process what actually happened that day and what do you think the FBI did right and what do you think they definitely did wrong what do you think I think that uh it was not this wasn't a perfect puzzle piece that went all together I think that President Trump's ascendancy brought a lot of people who were novice and new to the political process he got a lot of people very excited voting for the first time engaged in politics couple that with the 2020 shutdowns where essentially politics became sports and entertainment for a lot of people and I think that there was genuine belief on a lot by a lot of people that they were going there to exercise their first amendment and that they had the opportunity to pause this transfer of power this certification of the election because they just want to quote unquote stop the steal stop the steal they and there was questions that were never really answered after the election there was definitely some some questionable things that happened and and nobody ever got a satisfactory answer to that and I can understand them being upset I think that there were people there that did for the for that purpose I think that there were some groups there like the uh like the proud boys who after 2020 watching Cities Burn said I think antifa needs to get a butt kicking and they went there prepared to get in a fight with antifa because they were just pent up rage at that point and that has now been weaponized against some of these prosecutions that they were there for violent purposes and then I think there was also a government infiltration aspect to it because they had these groups infiltrated they had Undercovers there and might not necessarily have been saying hey we're gonna plan to start an incident that's going to allow us to investigate thousands of Americans and initiate a seditious conspiracy charge against the candidate for presidency I don't think there was a master plot in the back filled smoke-filled room with a guy with a cat um but yeah you're thinking of Dr Evil right now so and then to the FBI is uh involvement in this what do you think they did right and what did they do wrong oh yeah that's it hard to get one right and it's kind of hard the FBI didn't do anything right I don't I don't think that's true um because it's hard for me to remove that FBI agent hat I know because of how because I have now I have knowledge you know and I have lots of video that I watch when we're getting those leads and so there there were people that day who absolutely should have been arrested there were people that day who were fighting with cops or pushing through or whatever but then there were people who walk into the Capitol and there's no fracas going on yeah and I I know of one case that I don't know where the guy came from or whatever and I think he's even like a marine veteran he walks in and you see on video he talks with a capital police officer and according to him the capital police officer told him he had to leave and so he left yeah and he got charged that was the video I believe Tucker played yeah and he got charged why is that guy so you're saying it's important to delineate between who was actually doing criminal activity fighting with cops really doing certain stuff versus right a guy who just kind of was there raising through the capital right or we've seen the pictures of the people basically in line like they're at the capitol for a tour yeah and and sure misdemeanor trespass maybe at the most for a lot of those people but is the FBI really in the doj really going to doing be doing a full court press on all those people well they are but why because they're actually altering the way they're perceiving and and there were conversations that I I was told about that happened where they said stop the steel is going to be a predicated uh domestic terrorism ideology and oh let's put a pin in this case right now let's go back through the code book and see if we can find anything else to charge him with that's find me a man I'll find in the crime and now the uh the whole if you went to the four walls of the capital uh you were you were going to get this four pack of charges one of which is an Enron case I mean crime like ridiculous but now they say they're going to uh charge anybody that was on the lawn on the outside because the lawn is going to be in retroactively made a restricted area gotcha well to use an analogy you brought up uh the the coveted riots George Floyd protests everything like that it'd be like going to one of the protests and just holding up a sign you know free speech whatever it is um hands up don't shoot whatever it is versus is actually being one of the arsonist blowing up buildings right correct there's a big difference there yeah correct one is legal and within your right and one is highly illegal right is that essentially what you're trying to delineate between yeah January 6. if you're walking through the capitol peacefully all right cool you're Road testing versus someone who's actively has weapons on them fighting with cops what have you is that essentially your point it is and especially for the people who were there but didn't go in the capital or just in the area what are they getting investigated for so those people are being investigated yes and that's what you're blowing the whistle that's essentially patting the stats for domestic terrorists domestic extremists it is yeah and and your point about 2020. I think is is a is a point in example of how the FBI got January 6 wrong because none of what we have seen with January 6 happened in 2020 and I know the naysayers would say yeah well uh because those protests didn't happen in the seat of power of this nation I say as a as a law enforcement officer that doesn't matter because there were people traveling to those protests in Portland and Minneapolis or wherever so when you travel when you're not from there that's an interstate crime if you engage in criminal activity that makes it a federal crime but we didn't have these massive you know uh task force set up to try to get all the people who were burning down police stations but for January 6 it's go arrest every single person who was even on a lawn you know my family was on the lawn uh the night of the day after or the night of the hearing and we kind of joked about it and it's like oh our is the FBI going to be coming for them just because we were here you know like and I think that's a general sentiment that a lot of Americans have right now like the FBI is the actual Boogeyman not this trumped-up idea of domestic and to go deeper on those riots for example even when you know um when George Floyd was killed the whole narrative was like listen not all cops are bad these are a few bad apples the whole Bad Apple thing hey and all these these teachers aren't indoctrinating kids is a few bad apples all these athletes aren't beating their wives there's a few bad apples this whole concept of being a bad apple but sometimes the apple is actually rotten to the Core so you hear the the concepts that the FBI is being uh the politization of the FBI or the weaponization of the FBI so regarding the FBI are there just a few bad apples and Bad actors or is the FBI rotten to the core at this point and what would you say uh I'm back to the disconnect between the rank and file and the management class and the fact that those guys have to go back and forth to DC all the time and their priorities are within self for their self-promotion and not for the the good of the American people they're not about the casework I think there are people that do genuinely good work in the FBI I think that that work can be done by other people just as effectively so if you ask me you made me King for a Day the FBI wouldn't exist anymore and and I'm not I'm not a defund the police guy um I I think that you can Empower local law enforcement in a way that you make you deputize locals and make them give them Federal Authority and there's a whole thing we can get into with that um but I think as far as from the leadership standpoint for that you can't just take out Christopher Ray and expect it all to get better now Christopher Ray needs to go and and uh just quick math on him nine million dollar salary the year before he became the FBI director gave that up to begin the FBI director for 10 years so he essentially gave 90 million dollars up to become the FBI director is that what the tenure is for 10 years it's a 10 years I'm wondering why Biden didn't fire him because Trump hired him in 17. good question right so you would think if Trump appointed him yeah yeah he's he's acceptable and I I think that he sacrificed 90 million dollars for the cause and that's why he got in a uh into an interview he was with an interview with Brett Bear and he was asked very directly what about the FBI's negative uh image and he said well we have a record number of applicants so it's all good and guy it's a down economy and inflation's through the roof and you're bragging about your number of applicants for a job where people can make six figures to do if they were a cop they'd be getting paid a third of that so so I'd like to ask you guys a question so as far as back well I'm going to go back to where Pat said 2016 from the Hillary obstruction to uh Crossfire her to all the fake collusions like every couple months every it's just FBI messing up messing up messing up messing up what is it going to take I know it's the upper echelon of the managerial but what is it going to take to change that like what what needs to happen to make that that like grasp on it like break up and be more like less biased because that's all we're seeing with bias with Peter struck with all these it's like they're embedded in there right they are they are embedded I think at a minimum you have to clear house the whole all of headquarters definitely the seventh floor probably all of headquarters you have to clean it out and start from scratch but a lot of the people like Steve talked about earlier who get attracted to the managerial positions in the FBI they're that type of person who likes the DC life and the notoriety or whatever there's this talk of the FBI getting a new headquarters building they shouldn't get one that part of their budget should be should be scrapped until the FBI is fixed if they ever are allowed to have a new headquarters it shouldn't be in DC because it's attracting too many people who care too much about the politics I mean look what they did with the Russia collusion it and no nobody is paying for it no accountability at all during report basically said uh Obama Biden the AG FBI CIA everybody colluded to try to cheat the real cheating of an election and zero accountability nobody's gonna see I was telling Pat before he walked in there to all the young people out there that are wanted you know they're in crime you want to steal you want to be corrupt you want to don't do it if you want to get away with it become a Democrat be a leftist you could do all that [ __ ] and never go to prison you're right so that I mean that's a coup that's a bloodless coup and I know people oh that's extreme read the Durham report look at the facts the FBI offered Christopher Steele a million dollars as a CHS payment to if he could corroborate that dossier and he wasn't able to do it and the FBI still went straight ahead and opened a full investigation on then a presidential candidate and then kept it going on us on a sitting president that's is if isn't that treason like are they that's ridiculous the hell would the hell with the elect that's the election that was really but then we get accused of treason exactly for those are the bad guys yeah that's on pbd how much of what they're saying as far as like the seventh floor is reminiscent of the book The Barbarians the bureaucrats I mean that's what it is though that's what I'm asking the market is filled with bureaucrats and Aristocrats uh so you go back and you said something about 9 million 10 years 90 million so why did Trump appoint him 2007 August exactly so why what what point were you trying to make about Chris Ray I I think that he who gives up and by the way just just for the audience that's watching this if he can go put uh uh Chris Ray 9 million he was with the law from King and Spalding okay he made 9.2 million dollars working as an attorney for the law firm King and Spalding and then he chose to become a FBI director so go ahead well I think there's obviously a steam attached to that and he would probably argue that it was a financial sacrifice on his part and for his family because he wanted to serve America but what he won't tell you is he gets to live the life of a billionaire now flying a private jet all over the place uh for the price of a the lowest Southwest ticket that one of his staffers can find for him he gets that ability so he gets to have the esteem of being the FBI director but if you just go to the simple dollars and cents I I think that that sacrifice on his part represents conviction when it comes to seeing the full weaponization of the FBI come to fruition underneath his tutelage it's something that well give me the ring of power and I'll make sure that it goes for good for what I deem to be good and and he's a republican he was so he was uh he was appointed by a Republican president he was recommended to Donald Trump by Chris Christie because he helped Chris Christie fix the bridge gate case he's a fixer and in my conversations with folks who I work to work with now who work at the Department of Justice he's not an intellectual Titan he's just got a really nice you know nice haircut and and will do you don't make 9.2 million just with a nice haircut if that was a case I got like 50 friends I'm telling you they should be getting paid way more than they're making right now because they have nicer haircuts I should be too yeah you definitely need to be your billionaire look right there but but going back to it like you're not going to be a dummy making 9.2 so I'm really I want to know about this Chris Ray guy because you're making 9.2 you drop it you're you get your job by Trump recommended by Christy you know and now Christy's flipped obviously yesterday I saw the funniest meme that said Chris Christie should run all the time so going back to it this guy's not a dummy no I I mean he's he's obviously an educated guy but I think if you go back a few months he's taking that trip to the world economic Forum now okay and he wasn't getting that and with his nine million dollars and what I mean by the way I'm not I'm I'm a I'm not a world economic Forum guy not a fan of cloud Schwab can't stand estudiici corporate Equity equality index I'm not a fan of HRC human rights committee I'm not a fan of open Society foundation so this is not an endorsement of that but okay if you are going to be the director of CIA you're probably going to go to world economic Forum you're probably going to go to a lot of these weird meetings so what why give up that 9.2 million and you get the job by Trump like let me let me kind of put it this way when whenever a CEO Trump is a CEO whenever CEO is hiring a c-suite a director of FBI is a c-suite I think there's got to be a more thorough investigation into assigning that job to somebody rather than that you like that guy put him in right so to me you know if the other side also says hey man so why did you give him the job you had other options you had other people to look at so if he did Trump's not a person that doesn't have experience doing this he's hired tens of thousands of people over his career not low paying jobs million dollar salary half a million dollar salary why does a trump with a shrewd businessman that's a street guy he sat with the toughest of the toughest done the biggest of deals why does he pick him and if he did he must have seen something in this guy no well he had that interview I believe about a month ago where he was asked specifically that and he said that it was recommended to him and he wanted somebody that was going to be acceptable to both Republicans and Democrats and and that was really what his thinking on it was I think he he took recommendations from people who he trusted on it but I think then the question is is is is it a trump issue or is it a Christopher Ray issue I think Christopher Ray took the posting because it allows him to have access to the seat of power and and maybe financially fed himself later on but It ultimately boils down to he is now in a position to uh impact our country that he wasn't going to have that opportunity of working out listen I mean there are a few jobs that are powerful jobs that's definitely one of them so if somebody calls you and says listen we're thinking about offering you the director of CIA job you have to consider that that's not a lightweight job that's a job that comes with a lot of different uh uh uh you know director of FBI you know it comes with a lot of different responsibilities but also at the same time you're in the thick of things like you know what's going on you're one of the you know 50 most powerful men in America that's making these types of decisions so I get why he would entertain that I think this is the clip you were talking about if you want to play this clip about Chris and Trump and we are all examples of that I can't think of a martial learning way to end a hearing I yield back well he's looking for corruption weaponization Rob was watching a movie on Netflix apologies from our behalf okay please it's all right we missed the entire thing up with the movie he was watching about things that they are doing that are wrong that's not it there it is again that's like Pat while he's looking for that how would Jarrett doing his thing Pat what would make you as a business guy and you're making 9 million a year for this what would make you give up being almost 100 million dollar man to do that oh you you definitely would do it you definitely do to be that just the power the responsibility of a man is to do the following if you're a true American number one make your money number two protect your wife and your kids set aside money for her and them where they're taking care of number three take care of yourself financially number four give back to the country the country that give you this incredible life Public Service comes in many different ways one is church one is military one is non-profit one is government you pick and choose which one you want to do so I totally understand why he would say yes to that life is not just about making the 9.2 every single year this is a heavy weight job and there's almost a duty when you get a call from the top especially president offering you a job whether you like it or not you you have to really take it for consideration because it's it's a it's a listen you get a call from the top saying hey you got orders you're going to Camp Casey I'm going you got orders you're going to Afghanistan you're going You're a coward if you don't take it right there's an element of that so there's there's some of it that's Public Service well do you think it was any of it was kind of Nefarious where he's like okay I'm gonna get in and now got you I don't know the guy I don't know the guy all I know is look if Rob if you can figure out if you got that clip to go back to it if it's still messing up don't worry about it but before you even play this clip if you can do me if you ever go to statista with the report I just sent you with the trust American people having the FBI this is just from 2019 to 2022 okay blue is Democrats to have the same amount of trust in FBI as they did in 2019 as they do today uh dark uh navy blue is overall is down from 57 to 44. Independents are down from 48 to 41 that's down seven and then Republicans are down 46 to 26 down 20. so Democrats obviously love what the FBI is doing because they're targeting the guys that they hate the most by the way there's nothing about this that's a Fox News Paul this is statista there is nothing about this that's emotional now if you go to the other statistic that I sent you with with this since 1985 I don't know if you have that one as well that blue line that blue line means well that blue that's everybody still wears a mask on that blue line that blue line everybody's still wearing a mask yeah I think I think it's a problem when it's a hundred percent your political party over the country yeah like to me I'm sitting here asking questions about Christopher he's a republican Trump I'm like what you just you can't just say oh it's all everybody's on the other side as fault no there's some decisions that respond I text it to you rob you have it go to your text you don't need to look for it it won't load oh it won't okay then don't worry about it then go to the video go to the video I'll try to send you a different link with that let's see what Trump had to say about hiring Chris Ray you happy with Chris right but just so you understand I put Chris Ray in because I wanted to have somebody in there that everybody including the other side really wanted it may not have been the right move let's see time will tell okay but I wanted to have somebody in the FBI because I'm an honorable guy I'm an honest guy I may have made a mistake but I put somebody in at the other side everybody agreed to you know who recommended him to me Chris Christie okay he recommended him and that's okay I don't mind that I've taken Chris Christie's recommendations before uh and other people wanted Christopher Ray and people from the other side wanted Christopher is investigating yeah so I remember I remember how recent was that this is not too long ago no this is like a uh this has got to be a couple months ago right March of 2023. there you go yeah this is a couple months ago before I'm saying that yeah so for me going back to it saying well Chris read this Chris rate that I got a follow-up question for you here uh that has to do with the public you were kind of going through with the question is We the People right with where we're at at what point do you see like you know how uh the government is Randy got the president and then the governors get to decide how they handle covet if we're going to shut it down in California not essentially essential Force like no no we're opening schools we're opening this hey here's what we're going to do in South Dakota but here's what we're doing in Illinois Michigan shut it down if it's a New York this is what we're doing but this is what we're doing in Tennessee and this is what we're doing in Texas okay so the states kind of get a chance to make their decisions for themselves is the FBI really going to let officers work cases rather than DC's HQ controlling it I mean is it time like for the FBI to roll up into the DHS or is it time to kind of just you know disband them and move move on what do you think they need to be doing and will they do that will they allow you know different markets to kind of do their jobs without saying no we're going to step over you and here's what we need to do I don't know that they'll allow it the FBI has ever since Hoover really they've grown into this entity that even within the doj they they basically are in charge of themselves they always essentially have been and they will hold on to that power as as long and as much as they can and I think part of the issue with Ray might be he was a doj guy before his lavish career as an attorney that's another problem I think with the FBI and the doj is the FBI directors continue to come from doj and so now you have like this um it's basically like this intercession where the head of the FBI was a doj guy I think that's problematic because that that limits the checks and balances potentially but overall at the FBI doing the right thing and giving up some of that control I don't see it happening and I don't know if there's enough well look at what's happening in Congress right now with this Source reporting the FBI just literally does whatever they want so I don't I don't know if there's an entity that could even make them break up uh and limit some of the power and control that they have and Seed it over to DHS or somewhere else but that would be my fear about we're going to massively perform the FBI because they would be Clinging On to the power that they have now as far as being Regional with the way that cases are investigated they are done to a certain extent that way now and do you have a case you have the office in El Paso they're going to have a lot more drug trafficking and Border related activity just geographically then Omaha Nebraska so they're able to sort of drill down on what they want now what I would like to see happen is I want to pair back the domestic intelligence collection and maybe we could model something after the way that the UK does their law enforcement because currently having a law enforcement slash domestic intelligence agency that's the stuff of the Stasi and the KGB that's secret police stuff if you go to the UK they have MI5 that's domestic intelligence and we can debate whether or not how what the extent of what the powers they have but they don't have guns they don't have the enforcement power all they can do is bring that intelligence over to Scotland Yard and make recommendations and and assist them in their law enforcement and then Scotland Yard can use their discretion as far as bringing criminal charges if you did something like that that might be something that that could be debated um as far as the nuts and bolts of operating the FBI only has 14 000 agents the majority of the work is not done in the big cities it's done in the Resident agencies that like Wichita Kansas and my Daytona Beach teacher Sioux City Iowa where I worked those cases are brought in by these small offices that liaise with local law enforcement it's impossible to do the work of federal law enforcement without assistance from your local Partners in Daytona we had eight agents for an area and the encompassed one million people can't police that with eight people you have to rely on your Sheriff's offices your police departments and there's nothing in the the the Task Force officer deputization process that goes on where essentially you bring guys in the FBI pays their overtime and deputizes them as U.S Marshals gives them Federal arrest Authority in addition to their state arrest Authority they bring in the local knowledge and the local cases that say Hey that would be great could we bring some fed charges against this organization or this this occurrence that happened in my community and that's what the fbis should be there for to assist the locals because they know where The Usual Suspects are the FBI is just nerds that are sitting in an office for the most part that's that's a chart right there by the way so so we just learned today agents are nerds but very probably the biggest reveal today so this is a public trust in the government from uh 58 to 2022 and if you look at that from Eisenhower Kennedy say flat a little bit higher and Eisenhower you know warned about military industrial complex Kennedy comes in they definitely don't like the Kennedys for what they have going on and then boom he's out then Johnson comes in he loves power and control so that goes down Nixon comes in trust goes down obviously Watergate all of that Ford comes in flat Carter comes in down Reagan comes in he increases the trust in the government during that eight year Bush comes in goes down Clinton comes and increases Bush comes in down Obama comes in Flat Line Trump comes and he increases it now Biden's in here and you don't have the 2022 to this is uh the number I gave you was once showing how dramatically it's dropped the last three years uh the other one that we were looking at which kind of shows a completely different perspective so when you see this you know the closest uh of institution that I can see as a case study to the FBI is the mob and in the mob there's something called omerta omerta is when you uh you never share what's going on on the inside you essentially don't whistleblow in the mop and if you do XYZ they're going to come after you and all this stuff right so there's a threat of never one of the code of honors of importance is not coming out of Silence in the face of questioning by authorities or Outsiders and non-cooperation with authorities the government or outside especially during criminal investigations and willfully ignoring and generally avoiding interference with it I mean this sounds like Hillary Clinton when she was being held you know when she would not answer anything yeah no no I play no no no no no no no no right and when comey's going through all this stuff 33 000 emails what's the big deal yeah what's the what's the big deal you delete emails all the time what is the difference between she broke her computer maybe she was pissed off at Bill what does that have to do with you anyways they were talking about yoga pants right obviously that's what the emails were all about she wiped it with a rag yeah yeah sweetheart right yeah but but here's the part is there an omerto model in the FBI where hey guys whatever we're doing there's one thing you can ever do as an FBI agent you can never whistle blow and then behind closed doors you're being trashed to say you guys can never trust them because they whistle if you talk to them just as soon as they're recording the conversation just assume they're going to say this is there that kind of a Vibe and and energy in the FBI as well or no tell them about the training the new training ah yes there is that Vibe for sure and you got to tell them about your ASAC and what he said to you but every year every federal employee has to have it's mandatory by government uh whistleblower training every single year and Insider threat training every single year and my whole time in in the FBI they were always separate this year we found out because thankfully there are still some good people in the FBI uh that that training was merged into one so the FBI didn't even they didn't even say you know whistleblowing is good and you can do it like they used to they used to say yeah it's protected uh now they combine those trainings overtly saying whistleblowers are Insider threats I mean that was the takeaway from the people we know in the agency who took that training that slide deck was released to the public so we can go see it it's online and it's like okay so the FBI is not even trying to hide the fact that they will retaliate against you and I think that's government-wide look what's happening with the IRS whistleblower in his Squad right now but the FBI has a culture they have had a culture since Hoover's era of FBI first no matter what and if you go against the FBI I can see them we're coming for you well I applaud you guys for speaking truth to power right you're shining light on Justice there's a lot of people that probably do not want you talking whatsoever who would you say is at the top of that list what names what people what institutions are like Garrett friend get these guys silence these guys muzzle them right now who's at the top of that list I think the DNC as a whole we we were you know in-person recipients of that uh at that hearing the things they were saying the way they were twisting things and lying about us and about our whistleblower status and comparing us to people who committed Espionage and whatever else and then uh I think the mainstream media as well because they're lackeys of the political Elite and the political Elite are typically on the left and so my deposition that I went to in February really stands out for me because I was led to believe just like I was with my transfer I was led to believe in good and I I accepted both in good faith that everything was kosher so I go to my deposition a couple weeks later I get a call from my attorney and he says hey buddy I got I got some bad news for you I got a call from CNN and they have your name and they have some information about your deposition I was told don't talk about this deposition unless it's with a privileged party and so I left that deposition thinking like I you know hopefully they will investigate this and I told them there to the Democrat attorneys as well who sat in on the deposition because that's what I agreed to do because it's not a partisan issue or it should not be a partisan issue but we're seeing that it clearly is it's a right or wrong issue it's like bro you have a soul you you want to just be a good person you're a Christian and it's like we talk about this many podcasts evil right now I don't care what anybody thinks out there evil is winning so hard and it's embedded in our government the governments of the world and I feel like it's we need people like you but their their power is so freaking strong they've all they've all sold their souls to the devil and the price is not cheap bro I gotta hold up that bargain who else would you put on the list you get the DNC you get the mainstream media obviously the FBI um okay yeah at the FBI as a whole the ray certain bureaucrats every other agent SES level yeah at least or HQ as a whole most likely okay who would you say yeah I would I would agree that the executive levels and also at the Department of Justice too um and uh it even goes down to the the management structure uh even the ASAC level uh so assistant special agents in charge that are still on the GS scale because they are climbers don't ruin my gig for me so um I'll name check Colt markovsky and Sean Ryan as the asacs who sat in the office for me and when Colt marcott when I said to him that I took an oath to protect the Constitution and he responded back to me you have a duty to the FBI that was just a watershed moment for me I when I took my oath I tore that oath in front of God and my family and people who sat around me who I thought were my friends how uncomfortable is it to actually name names at this point I I mean I I wouldn't uh I wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire wow here's my question to both of you since you guys you know were in the FBI uh do you think because you guys have come out you're doing this are they monitoring you guys are they do you think is there a possibility because you guys would know of anybody are they doing what they actually do for a living yes are they tapping you guys compound they monitor are they making sure you guys don't go I mean I don't know the depths of how how much I'll be pretty sure you guys have information but you think they're watching you guys I I don't know for sure but the day I got suspended I had a very odd thing happened with my phone while I was talking to an attorney and it basically cut out and then I couldn't get back in touch with him and I was getting an automated message and and once I did get back in touch with him and this guy this attorney he's a retired FBI agent as also and I said hey uh I explained to him what happened and he goes oh yeah they probably tapped the phone who do you think's watching this right now uh headquarters security division definitely is I know that for a fact I did an interview with him and they were very tongue-cheek about oh we were big fans of that podcast you did I was like I'm glad you gave did you give him a like okay um yeah guys quick reminder uh like subscribe to Peabody podcast leave a five-star review yeah yeah going back to what you were saying when I asked the question about uh the omerta the code and they trained you it's FBI Above This you said you know you got to tell your story what was the one story you you wanted to share that was the the he said my my duty was to the FBI and not not to the Constitution do you have the clip about you know uh where I believe believe it's um I want to say which one is it where it says they will destroy you they will crush you and your family I think you have the clip if you can play this clip uh uh uh on yeah it's that one right there uh this is a Karen is this this is you talking in this one yeah that's you just played a whole clip I want the whole thing we have a 20 second one we'll play this one all of the hardships you've gone through if one of your really good friends your former colleagues came to you and said I have this thing that is being covered up and I think the American people know to need to know about it what advice would you give them I'll tell them first to pray about it long and hard and I would tell them I could take it to Congress for them or I could put them in touch with Congress but I would advise them not to do it so you would legitimately try to protect one of your colleagues from doing what you have done absolutely and how do you think that solves being able to shine light on corruption weaponization any kind of Mis misconduct that exists with the American people it doesn't solve it but the FBI will crush you this government will crush you and your family if you try to expose the truth about things that they are doing that are wrong and we are all examples of that I mean that's pretty powerful I can't think of a more sobering way to end a hearing I feel back so so you would tell them not to so now if you go back a year ago and you're having that conversation with your wife whatever the timeline is when you when you you wouldn't have done what you've done already uh I'm not saying if I had a crystal ball I don't know because how do you sleep at night then and you know I have four little girl girls now back then we had three and I had a conversation with my ASAC at one point and he was trying to walk me off the ledge a little bit and I think he was he was he was acting like me doing the wrong thing so just toeing the line um was caring for my family I think that that's cowardice and in the Book of Revelation it tells us that cowards will be judged uh when when they sit before the Lord and how could I then as a man raise my daughters to be women of integrity and to do the right thing even when it's hard if I wasn't willing to do it so I'm not saying I wouldn't have done it but uh you know the congressman asked me if one of my really good friends came to me with that information Not only would I do what I answered for a friend I would do it for somebody that I don't know in the FBI if if they were were too unwilling or too afraid to do it but they knew that they had something that needed to be brought forward um I made that I made my oath many times twice in the Army once when I re-enlisted um as a police officer as an FBI agent I meant it and I was willing to stand in the breach I'm in the breach now so bring it to me that I'm that's fine I'm I'm okay with that and we will get it to Congress or whistleblower attorneys or wherever it needs to go because the American people need to know this stuff yeah there's no question about it that we need to know this stuff but you know it ruins lives meaning people like you it ruins your life and you know Sylvia Garcia I think was a congresswoman from California was trying to say you're not a whistleblower you're not a whistleblower you're not a whistleblower I think Debbie Wasserman who comes across as a total sweetheart from Florida very good hair you know she was talking about how this whole thing is about the book and you're doing you know just the book and then another lady comes out and says you know I cannot believe what you guys are doing this is defunding the police on steroids uh she was the one from U.S Virgin Islands uh uh yeah when she said that so you you see this stuff obviously this is the part of discrediting right defund which was phase one we're suspending you with pay right if they're suspending you you're not getting paid no no and then 7 500 which by the way strategically it's the dumbest thing to do if you want somebody to go away and not typically what would happen in businesses here's a severance package sign this definition Nation hold harmless and move on they do the opposite so these guys would be terrible in business they're dummies if they're not doing this the way to do this listen we're going to give you one year this good luck to you we're sorry it didn't work out we'll see nothing but the best but no they cornered you well you have to do this and come out and talk about it so also you know running an organization is not a wise thing that they're doing the other thing I want to play if you can play James Comey here he was being interviewed this week and the questions being asked and by the way this is a guy that loved being interviewed a lot when this book came out he was everywhere right Comey Comey Comey and then all of a sudden he's disappeared a little bit you know and but uh this was a interview that was done what is this like a few days ago a couple days ago I don't know what the exact date on this is it's not too too uh uh this could have been a couple days ago if you just play it see what he says here really honest honest loving guy too yeah so people in law enforcement which matters so as for the Durham report 300 Pages four years investigating the investigators one of the things that did come out of it was that procedures regular FBI procedures were ignored that steps were missed along the way in this investigation in fact director Ray said when the report came out yeah we acknowledged that a couple of years ago and we've changed all that those changes are already in place do you acknowledge perhaps that some mistakes were made along the way oh definitely and they were found four years ago by the Inspector General so there's nothing new in this new document what were some of those mistakes from your point of view oh that the FBI didn't communicate clearly the status of certain sources they didn't double check certain information before putting it in a court application for for a foreign intelligence wiretap and a bunch of others and so do you believe now as these some of these politicians call for defunding of the FBI that that has been corrected and then now the procedures are in place to avoid those kind of mistakes in the future I think so but in complex investigations there's always going to be mistakes it doesn't mean the FBI is incompetent honest and independent so director honest incompetent and independent this is your former boss how do you feel about what your former boss is saying here he's doing the same thing that uh that the FBI did after the initial release of the Durham report is that moveon.org move where this is old news this is already addressed four years ago we can't tell you how we did it but but we did it and again back to his college of cardinals mindset of on beyond all ethical reproach or questioning in anything that there's no personal accountability there he never says yeah I messed up he never takes uh any sort of responsibility for something like like I'm going to direct agents to go and talk to Mike Flynn because I hope that he lacks Candor and we can charge him with a process crime and I'm going to brag about it openly isn't that the player's code you know like guys you know uh when you're a player and you have a lot of girlfriends and you're coming up you know the code is you can never say you did anything wrong okay you didn't do this so if James Comey was a guy that he shows a lot of signs of a player you know Playboy type of a guy yeah so he I feel like he listens to a lot of r b and Hip-Hop he just kind of seems like that kind of a guy but going back to it so for him yeah it's not a big deal so you know it's it's not not a big deal we've addressed that we've gotten better it's cool is it is it the mindset of never ever admit and just kind of be casual and cool about it and move on or is it more a you know cultural thing of the FBI or is it just him that's doing this I think it's the culture of the FBI and he just embodied it I mean you just you the reputation for the FBI is everything to it protect The Shield at all cost when uh when I was accused of making this recording of my meeting with my asacs which I did I was asked about it in in my interview my compelled interview which I was not allowed to have an attorney actually assist me with just sit there and watch they tried to get me to lack Candor so they could charge me and do a search warrant and arrest me um I had said yes I created that the natural follow-up for anybody and these are FBI agents who are who are asking these questions is can we get a copy of that because I was making some rather huge uh Revelations to them that I was being possibly compelled to do something that I felt was a civil rights violation they never asked for a copy which means they have a copy as I suspected my asex recorded the conversation as well and they were not worried about what they those guys told me they were just worried about the exposure reputation is everything but by the way can you look at the uh Yelp to see what their online reviews are for FBI like how many positive reviews that's got to be a joke I was actually just joking can you read the reviews go to the bottom tell me this is a joke this has to be a joke right my family and I were given a tour de oh it's a tour thing experience okay go down is it actually FBI some of the FBI needs to go race should be the first I had no clue there by the way if you have bad experience with the FBI go writer Yelp reviews there's no chance go little Lord this is actually comical now I couldn't even believe it five stars so I have a confession my dream job even now is to work for the Affairs of Fielding it seems so exciting fun and interesting saving the world and fighting crime this is what 2016 with a lot has changed since then miss Maggie C so go a little Lord Jerry Lee okay keep going keep going keep going uh uh so is this one walking past the back and building I turned to my husband and said I bet this is the FBI headquarters I feel like I'm an episode of The X-Files lo and behold lo and behold when we reached the front it was I wish we could have gone inside but it looked like a closed not sure if it was a secret thing it was over there perhaps it was even open like Wally World from National Lampoon I'd love to see what Trump left as a review of the FBI this place is corrupt stupid I would never come here again let's do the Durham report before you know I got a couple other final questions here before we wrap up so the the Durham report one of you guys let me read this one this is an article from um uh May 16th page four so whistleblower detail distorted and twisted FBI weaponization claims right at the top uh FBI special agent Garrett Boyle whistleblower revealed the retaliation he faced after testifying to Congress I won't hold my breath there uh he stated I won't hold my bread there because I'm sure they are going to ramp up the pressure to try to get rid of me even more now uh oh Boyle described a two-tiered system within the FBI starting at the headquarters level within which we have talked about that as well but it follows up with the story where is this one here whistleblower is that the video that says FBI whistleblower Steve friend explains how the FBI evolved into an intelligence agency after 9 11 we talked about that as well the the Durham report when it came out it was just kind of like hey yeah cool moved on nobody really did anything with it how much was in there for someone who actually wants to do investigative journalism to go deeper to this to hold some people accountable because there's a part of America that thinks you know there are people in jail today that sold weed 20 years ago that they're still doing time there's people in jail today that did a crime much smaller than what some of these folks are doing at the top with their different families Biden's you know Clinton's you hear these types of stories like how are these guys getting away with it there was a moment where it's like is someone going to be held accountable so when you guys being a former FBI agents when you read the Durham report did you go and say to other agents inside and say listen guys did you guys read this report what do you think about this did you see what was said and then if you did what was the reaction from your peers was it like no it's not a big deal what are you talking about we can't even bring that up yes did you bring it up too if you did what was the reaction of your peers so I was out of the FBI already after the Durham report came out but as that investigation was going on Chris James Comey mentioned how or Chris Ray I forget one of the clips we watched where um they implemented years ago fixes for these things okay well if if people of integrity and character were running the investigations those procedures would have never had to be fixed anyways because they wouldn't have been broken for one but in my circles while I was in the FBI everybody had the opinion that the Russian hoax was exactly that a hoax we knew it already before the Durham report came out and now that that report is out I think it's very damning of the FBI but like you said it's it's just you know washed over in the media nobody really cares nobody's paying attention unless they're digging on their own and I think that's also problematic about the doj and the FBI as a whole James Comey himself refused to be interviewed during the Durham investigation why why you were the director of the FBI at the time but you're not going to interview for that and then he acts like oh I'm not no not a big deal we already knew all this it's that hubris that's especially at the top but that hubris people of that character are attracted to the FBI for whatever reason and it has infected the agency yeah I didn't I mean I was already gone when the Durham report came out and I unfortunately my my FBI contacts are Garrett and the other whistleblowers at this point the guys I spent the majority of my conversations with and so we have our opinions on it but I do know from from experience that a lot of agents are just that's above my pay grade um I'm not even aware of it helpless yeah well I mean and even when we were in the hearing uh we we had it from multiple people say people didn't even know you were testifying in front of Congress that day in the office they're like I don't know what you're talking about well for it will fully will fill ignorance what we see that at the top too so last week um Jill Murphy another assistant director was testifying before I forget which committee yeah and she straight up says Eli crane I forget where he's from but his his questioning of her is is particularly um poignant I think and there were some other ones who asked her some questions she's never read the Twitter files she's never read the Durham report uh she's not giving answers based on the her own program that she's in charge of she's not able to provide answers and she's in charge of it and it's like of counterintelligence I believe is what she's a ADN and it's like that also that willful ignorance or maybe it's even coerced ignorance to not pay attention to the things that are going on in this nation when I got hired by the FBI I thought it was going to be a national effort where you're paying attention to the things happening you're you're doing your best to do what's right no matter what but it's simply not the case because people are they're they're too comfortable I think as a nation we've gotten too comfortable it's that whole cycle of you know hard times great Hard Men and I think we're at a in a place where before too long we're going to be on really hard times are there are there more whistleblowers you know other guys who are on the inside that reach out to you and and are saying hey man I want to come out but I'm afraid you know I got a wife and kids to take care of I got to figure out a way to have a little bit more savings before I do this and I don't know what job I'm going to do after this there's no way anybody's going to hire me or those types of conversations being had right now yes yes yes and and a lot of people are actually on the inside giving us information that we're able to come out with so like yesterday I was able to come out with the fact that they gave all FBI employees three paid hours per week for wellness now you combine that with the three paid hours per week for physical fitness for wellness well mental wellness and physical and I'm taking a break things yes you could do yoga and color and whatever but you can combine that with three hours for physical fitness paid lunch uh FBI agents are supposed to work 50 hours a week most work 40. um so now you're talking 11 hours out of 40 per week that they're paid to not do their job 27.5 of the time of an FBI agent to not investigate why would somebody leave that shop then correct right okay so you're saying so you're saying what you're doing right now is you are the chief Recruiting office for FBI they just got 17 000 applications right I'm going to yeah Hey listen I I heard you guys are paying well and you don't expect me to work that's awesome I'm in right yeah I want that job when it comes to FBI salary what's a starting mid top level expectation of what uh and salary and benefits of what you receive being an FBI agent so you it's the GS pay scale you start as a 10-1 but you also get availability pay which is a 25 bump in pay so uh talk numbers so it's about uh 70. yeah as a 10 one yeah that's that looks about right and then you're at about 78 Grand right that's where you start yeah and then after five years you get promoted to gs13 step one and so you get the law enforcement availability pay which is 25 bump this is Agent salary it's different for the other positions but um and then depending on where you live you get locality pay so one of the smears they've put out against us is oh well they're paid hacks from cash Patel okay go ahead and say that that he paid us money right before Christmas from his foundation um because we had been suspended without pay already and our whistleblower activities had already happened the retaliation had already happened where I was headed to Virginia I was going to be making about 132 000 a year because I would hit my GS 13 uh coming up here in like another month or so and um why would you give that up and the South the benefits the salary of the job it is one of those reviews on Yelp oh it looks like such a cool job yeah it was it was a great job Steve and I were both SWAT guys uh which added an extra element of of you know service and but also like a more fun aspect instead of sitting in the the office all the time like instead of being a nerd like Steve Denver okay you get the cool guy Factor yeah yeah yeah and yeah and so you know the new unit I was heading to I was really excited about uh what what I was going to be doing there and but so yeah for people to say oh they're just grifters and paid hacks and all this like not further from the truth and um but yeah I I've told my wife just read because all of this you know we were we're probably getting to a point where we were uh the callus was forming over a lot of what has happened and and now in a very public way it's um it's all back you know and I'm talking about it every day which is is fine I hope that is a part of the healing process for me but um this journey has not been easy and if I could pick Snap My Fingers yeah I would be making my 130 000 salary and I would be more or less an anonymous FBI agent I don't think I really look like an FBI agent so I blend in well and um we were comfortable you know but um now everybody knows that face that beard that hair cover of GQ out here but getting outside your comfort zone is is also a good thing and I never thought my belief in that would lead me into something like this but um as as strange it is as it is to say and probably to hear I'm grateful uh that you know the Lord has put this opportunity in front of me because I can only go forward and and hopefully glorify him in the process that's awesome I will say that you do have the Adam Sandler Zohan look though I know that look that's a legit look yeah I can't get it out of my head right now that's all I'm thinking about with the hair doing all this stuff Got A Few Good Men and we got this off yeah so you want to just show the picture I mean there is an element of a little bit of Zohan stuff going on there it's a good looking guy okay so uh uh a couple things here ESG Dei has the FBI been bullied by the esgdi stuff or not yet are they sitting there saying hey we need to make sure the people were hiring a third of them are from a underrepresented community whether they're part of the lgbtq disabled black you know I was hoping to have Middle Eastern in there they don't have it but Native Americans some things like that is there anything like that happening within the FBI it's rampant is it really I know you said about the pride flag that was in there but what do you mean full-fledged unpack that for us uh well intern in my office uh she came in one day and was a he with blue hair and we all just had to move on this is somebody who needed a security clearance to work in the facility she needed a security clearance to go from a sheet to a heat no just to work in the FBI facility that's why I can't I couldn't be an FBI agent anymore they suspended my security clearance for looking at the employee handbook improperly and this being came in and and obviously had some some mental issues yeah and that was something that we had to accept and just move on from the trans woman you're saying yes and now is that a gun in your pocket or are you just okay sorry you're an FPS the academy now has issues where there are females that are claiming that they're male but they still want to use the female standards for the physical fitness test so they're having to deal with that speed bump um how about from the top I mean that stuff I can see happening because it's a little you know weird today the market is a little weird today how about from the top are you guys hearing stuff from the top you know the headquarters Ray people from the top saying here's what we need to do moving forward when it comes down to recruiting guidelines etc etc is that happening yeah that's that's a full initiative that we need to do diversity hiring they've reduced the uh standards for for some matters of hiring because they want to increase their pool of minority applicants and then and and if you just want to go on a strict gender basis FBI's majority male it's law enforcement however they want equal representation amongst the management class to be male and female so there's an a disproportionate amount of female representation within the leadership structure because it just isn't there aren't a lot of females that join the FBI to begin with so a lot of those females are elevated very quickly because they have to fill those slots 50 50 or close to 50 50. how much of this is trickled down from the stories that used to come down from J Edgar Hoover everything you know the story is the this is the FBI building cross-dressing high heels we don't talk about that oh no this is the one that you can't talk about really it's strict their voting it's wow you're joking are you I'm assuming you're joking right most people don't most people in the FBI don't know the history of the FBI yeah it's a government it's a government agency that you might as well be working for HUD yeah for most people it is a government job based on our company what does that mean you don't know the history of the FBI I don't know about Hoover or cointelp it's it's you guys know more about the FBI than most FBI employees correct how's that possible willful ignorance willful ignorance and and I think a lot of people that join I mean look at full disclosure I saw a Point Break and looking they look like an awesome job FBI agent but I also movies I wanted to be Fox Mulder yeah wow so that was the inspiration yeah there's Jared to go Hoover yeah but I think a lot of people it's it's a very high paying job with a lot of esteem attached to it yeah and there's a great opportunity to be underworked and overpaid you know if you're even as an agent you only have to do one investigative activity per case every 90 days that's very unfortunate they don't teach the history of the FBI to you know it's it's like what we see running rampant with kids they don't teach everything about the Constitutional Declaration of the independence everything that how government works you see these men on the street interviews can you name the three branches of the government they're like uh I don't know uh well let me let me ask this question I'm about to pose this and by the way if you can put this I'm going to put it on Twitter as well Rob if you can ask this question and comment below just anybody that's watching a pod what would you like to see the FBI actually investigate like here's what I would like to see the FBI investigate and I'm wondering if any of that even came up or talked about uh how much uh how actively are they investigating uh the list of names from Epstein how much are they investigating what happened with Epstein you know jelaine right now story came out yesterday she's worried because she told on a couple of people that are within the jail she's worried for her life who knows if she's saying that or somebody else saying it on her behalf because this week is the week where she's going to be meeting the Saint Peter to decide whether she's going to Hell or Heaven who knows what's going to happen to her this week there's a lot of people in that world that can predict someone's lifespan it's actually very good technology they have um how much of the investigation into Epstein is currently happening or when you guys were in there that was a guy that they were looking into I don't have any personal knowledge of that but I would bet not a whole lot and you guys probably know this but uh who is the prosecutor assigned to jolene's case James comey's daughter uh in in law enforcement um I learned quick quickly that there's not uh crazy there's there's not very pull this up real quick there's not very much uh coincidence I'm at a point especially combined with my faith I don't believe in coincidence at all I think it's all it's all happening for a reason and the FBI and I mean why is that story not front and center until we find out about every single person on that list yeah but we don't ever hear about it nope yup imagine they took see they took you off of that type of investigation like you were investigating those type of cases right and they're like no no go after somebody that was on a bus that wore a mega hat check this out assistant U.S attorney Maureen Comey is one of the lead prosecutors in the case against Miss Maxwell and had been due to try Epstein prior to his death in 2019 the daughter of the former FBI jamescom is the head of the sdny violent and organized crime unit and has been with the office since 2014. and by the way isn't the comey's very good friends with the clintons you think so no no I'm curious from um I know he was wearing the the Clinton gear in 2016 he was taking pictures I don't know if he's got a relationship oh yeah and he remember he hit with the with the who was it who was the Attorney General Loretta Lynch they they took the charge from growth negligence to extreme carelessness and he was just like yeah whatever bro yeah exactly well dude I agree with you 100 bro it's like I I believe in in God I think God you know chose you to be this person but these people bro they're so intertwined and it's so into like that's why my question earlier I'm like is is it going to change I think you could take an act of God because these people are so let's stay on this though let's stay on this I actually want to know this a little bit more uh Rob if he can pull up the shirt for some people that want to buy this shirt we want to make sure we give a shout out to the folks that want to buy this shirt uh that James Comey was wearing with the uh where is it work great marketers and we have to as capitalists if there's great shirts we want to help contribute towards people this is James comey's Instagram account in 20 I don't know what the exact timeline was this is on Instagram uh when you posted this the exact date uh is is it 2018 or something like that he posted this elect more women I think that was Hillary Clinton August of 2020. there you go so that's that shirt but going back to Epstein that is something people want to know yeah that is something people want to know people want to know what's going on there what's who's behind it so maybe let me ask the question a different way so you guys were both FBI agents if the FBI actually wanted to investigate and look into what happened with Epstein as former agents how would you go about doing that to get the Intel to find out exactly who was on the list who did what do we have enough information do we have enough access to stuff well we could get that kind of stuff who would you talk to would you go to Jolene what would be the procedures to learn more about what's going on with the Epstein well I think from what we do know I mean there's enough uh Reasonable Suspicion and probable cause on many people on that list where you you can you can open a at a minimum a preliminary investigation which opens up some of the FBI's capabilities in investigating people and I think very rapidly you would be able to open most of those into a full investigation and then the so the FBI is very powerful they there are some Wizards in the FBI when it comes to technology or investigating or just digging into a case to get as close to the truth as they can and the the way the Epstein case has been treated and essentially brushed under the rug uh should be alarming to everyone because that should be as big of a case in the public sphere as any case that has been in the last 10 years at least because of the type of people on that list and the type of bizarre things that have happened along the way yeah but give me steps like for what I'm looking for is the following so for example I come and I say listen guys here's what's going on I've had a person living in this house that I own for the last three years that paid rent for two years the last 12 months have not paid rent I'm trying to ask him to leave they're saying they don't have to leave every time I go to the door they don't even open the door they're doing this they're doing that the house is trash as a lawyer what are my next steps on what to do you would say step number one we have to apply for this step number two is we have to send this letter we have to document this you need to show this do you have that do we have to take pictures we have to send this to this person within and once we get this back from the city I want to know steps so if right now say Chris Ray changes and it's a new guy comes in okay and you are now replacement for Chris Ray minus the 9.2 million dollar income that you made this year you to make that money but you become the new Chris Ray okay and one of your top things you want to find out about is parents in America have concerns with pedophilia okay child porn all of that which by the way I think at one point I read an article in 2016 FBI was the biggest distributor of uh you know whatever access to child porn that they had there was some article that was written about that Rob if you want to look for this but say you have two things on your list one is child porn getting to the bottom of who's doing that okay and then the other one is Epstein how would you go about doing it if you are now Chris Ray today or I think that they're they have to avoid the Temptation that they had with um the Trump investigation where they they look to headquarters and start a task force there for people who haven't investigated crime for a very long time I would get somebody like Garrett who has no connection there to do the work that he's been doing his whole career from the outside not from the inside well no from the inside there are investigators who have experience so and there's some some great investigators who know that's all they've done for decades so I think Staffing is is number one you can't just say well this guy you know he's in charge of this division so he must know what to do that's that's not how it works it has to be the guy who you don't know his name because he spent his entire career arresting bad guys uh legit actually functioning what you would have to do is you'd have to either consider reopening the Epstein investigation or starting Anew um if it was my case I'd be probably arranging for some sort of a proper with Maxwell where she'd be Queen for a Day and and reveal what she could to me and then and and then go off of there and and start knocking on doors for the the individual she names because those are people that are in positions of power and influence they have a lot to lose they will want to cooperate fully in with their own offers it again and you're just really gonna have to at the end of it pick your pick your snatch what would you do similar like that I mean I guess if it was handed to me and said all right you're the guy your turn take over uh first would be a wide sweeping search of the FBI system on everything related to Epstein and this is how I always worked my cases anyways I would get all the background information or as much as possible that already existed in the FBI system and you know shockingly enough there's a lot in the various type of systems that the FBI has and with a case like that I mean there's so many people involved so I would start I'm certain the AFI has some information then I'm going to start going for each name each name that's in the case in the case File no matter how thinly Associated to it I'm going to dive into each one of those to find out more what the FBI already knows and then once I have as much knowledge as I can about what has already been investigated I'll go forward from there and I would imagine there's enough information to investigate more people involved the prison where Epstein committed suicide and um uh you know whatever else and uh and then we have the overseas connections and the money too that's a big one follow the money it's always money money money money money and Epstein is a money guy I don't um most of what I know of the Epstein case came from um martyrmade podcast he had he has done a really good long-form series on Epstein three parts if people are interested in this case listen to those um it's like I said there's no coincidence in law enforcement the the Epstein case is a primary example of that going back historically um to who he was how he got started his connections with the clintons uh going forward to his death and so there's a it's a big um there's a lot of meat on the bone with with that one and so only knowing okay and I'm sorry good only knowing only knowing uh what we know in the public sphere uh I mean that's that's one layer and so there's a lot more beneath that and we have access to enough Intel data contacts relationships that you could actually get to the bottom of what happened with Epstein if I had access to FBI system if you are the director of FBI and one of your top three issues was I really want to find out what the hell happened with Epstein do you have enough access to find out exactly what happened and come out with the intel on that maybe not exactly what happened but pretty damn close and how long would it take you to be able to give that report to the American people okay it's like that I don't know yeah I mean it depends on how many people get brought in and I mean and then also you're getting with finances you have to do subpoena bank records and there's a lapse in time there I think you could probably do a pretty good job in a year pretty good job in a year yeah okay so within within a year you could get that Intel to us especially if you had you know I don't know five five really staunch case agents and and Intel analysts or two and that's all you worked on this is the this is why he could never be a manager because he wants to investigate perhaps the biggest most important case in the country and says I can do it five people if I had a manager would want 500 that's true so so okay let me ask another question so you guys are on the inside are you seeing what's going on what do you think the FBI should be investigating today like if they were to truly do their job of what their job is for that we as taxpayers paid them to do what do you think are the top three things the FBI should be investigating today top three um I think fentanyl coming across the border I know we have the DEA but FBI that's a big part of what the FBI does because cartels and whatnot I think that's a big one because it actually impacts the American people everywhere um let's see what else um election interference actual investigating it the FBI it's what one of our purview is but I I'm not really seeing much actual investigation in it instead the FBI is interfering with elections themselves so that's a problem and then third probably probably like gang violence and and that type of thing because that has only exploded more since covet really gang violence has exploded it's gone up okay so three are you in the same uh uh top three as well as him uh I mean I would put child pornography because it's it's you could assign every agent to job pornography all the time let me fix my list I gotta add that in because that is that rampant that's what you're saying can you unpack that like for some of us we're not in your world we don't know how bad it is all we do is we either read about it or we don't read about it that's the one right uh 26 FBI ran website sharing thousands of child porn images this is from USA Today this one I was talking about 2016. okay so the operations whose detail remain large the secret was at least the third time in recent years that FBI agents took control of a child pornography site but left it online in an attempt to catch users who officials said would otherwise remain hidden behind an encrypted and Anonymous computer network in each case the FBI infected decide which software that punctured that security allowing agents to identify hundreds of users the justice department acknowledging court filings that the FPA operated the site known as playpen February 20th March for 2015 at the time the site had more than 215 000 registered users wow and included links to more than 23 000 sexual explicit images and video of children including more than nine thousand files of users used to download directly from the FBI some of the images described in court filings involve children barely old enough for what yeah kindergarten the approach is a significant departure from the government's past tactics for battling online child porn which is uh instructed that they should not allow images of child being a sexually assaulted to become public the justice department has said that children depicted in such images are harmed each time they are viewed and once those images leave the government's control agents have no way to prevent them from being copied and recopied to other parts of the internet so okay this is this irritates and frustrates a lot of different people all you have to be is be a parent you got four kids I don't know how many kids you have two kids boy girl what's the boys boys okay I got four kids boy boy girl girl and as a father you see this one you're paranoid naturally the level of paranoia goes up the day you have a kid but why is there not a deeper investigation into issues like this I think and he worked it so he might be able to talk to it more but I think it goes back to what we're talking about with the stats the FBI sees as a site like this and instead of shutting it down and trying to get into another site which they can do that this says software another way it can be done is if you catch someone who created such a site and now you give them a deal or turn them into a CHS and say give us access and then they can take it over that way as well but instead of just shutting it down and moving on to the next one to try and shut down the next one they leave it open so then they can get more users into the site so then they can slap them with possession of child porn instead of digging deeper this is where you need your good knuckle dragging investigators who are out there doing the grunt work because okay yes have possessing child porn is horrible it's awful yes arrest those people when you can but don't allow them to access the site that you're in control of so you can do it go find the people who are producing that type of child porn and get them the users and possessors of it are going to be able to find it so yeah it's it's like whack-a-mole when it comes to to possession of it but allowing it's seizing a site and allowing people to use it I think goes to that stat padding and honestly goes to a particular type of evil that the FBI is is participating in I think there's a cultural component to this that um there's not a lot of appetite even from the public because it's so egregious and gross and nobody we just won't think about it I want you to have your press conference where you put a Dozen guns and a big pile of dope on the table and all the money and say look the FBI is doing a good job I I can live with that as a citizen because good job cops but if you start talking about images of six-month-old babies being sodomized what I've seen yep that's not your reaction right there that's not going to be good for my image even if I'm talking about putting it and that and that that wouldn't want that job like I don't even want that Vision I didn't want that what a freaking job but it is it is a necessary yeah I'm gonna stand the breed yeah and I'm gonna do that because it has to be done and we need to have our lawmakers have the courage to stand up and pass the laws that are necessary to actually punish these guys and and look the the laws for federal um child pornography creation it's like 15 years for an image it's I mean significant uh who who show me the lawmaker that is gonna say be a nay vote on Capital charges for possessing or creating job who would be though left or right there's some judges that were arguing to lower the sentences because it's easier to access it than it used to be so you should be that should be irrelevant yeah what's the criminal profile of these types of people obviously this is absolute sickos but is there some uniformity to actually who's watching this child perform I mean for us it was it was typically almost universally male I think I talked to some more experience the best cares of me and they it was oh I had one female it's that right predominantly male age gen uh age race anything all over it's you know old creepy chess of the Molester guy down to 18 year old kid who's just you know starts on that path and and I remember seeing this explanation for it once where he I mean you don't want to be sympathetic to this guy but he explained it honestly and he said look when I was 13 years old I like the 13 year old girls and then I was 15 years old and and it's just froze they they got older but I still liked the 13 year old girls and then I was 17 years old and then she was 13 years old and I was 20 years old and she's still 13 years old he's like my preference for women never Advance with my age and so you have these guys who are 18 that are dealing with that and then just all the way up the Gambit and then and it's very common to have the Hands-On offenders that are trying to they they rationalize their head well I'm not hurting a child I'm keeping these desires Away by watching it so I'm okay and that's why you see all the all the time these guys my theory is they have this red in their Ledger that they feel so horrible about which is why they're doing all this community engagement and they're a deacon in the in the church and they're a little league baseball coach I mean they might be trying to actually find victims I think a lot of them just feel so bad about it that they think I'm gonna rack up as many wins as I can so this one blemish will be erased but universally they all confess I mean just because it's ones and zeros for for one part they know they're caught and then a lot of them just or honest and they don't have a criminal criminal background beyond that that's it but it's every it's they're true every time an image is is shared that child is a victim again and again it's always horrible it's a terrible job to have someone's got to do it you know uh it's like the job where in the military you have to go tell the family your son has died nobody wants that job it's the worst job and it has to be the right DNA wiring of a person with a gentle voice that comes in that's understanding imagine every day today I have to do to four people today I have to do two three people today I have to do nobody wants a job someone's got to do it um gentlemen uh first of all I applaud you guys for what you're doing it is not easy to be where you're at I don't think I speak for myself alone I think there's a lot of other people that don't trust what the FBI is up to uh that they're wondering we don't mind having an FBI if you actually do your job to protect us and get the bad guy which is kind of what we think your job is and if you do that we're okay with that we don't mind funding it and you you're seeing nowadays where a DeSantis is talking about child rape is uh uh is a death penalty and that's actually creating momentum it's like wait actually yeah that kind of does make sense why wouldn't you want something like that to somebody who's doing this and that's a topic of discussion for 2024 presidential election where they're talking about these types of things Governor Ron descent to signed a bill Monday allowing for the death penalty for child rapist setting up a potential Supreme Court challenge the bill which will become law October 1st makes sexual battery of a person under 12 a capital crime can you show the one with Newsome what he signed I just sent you the link on this one a new California law protecting pedophilia is a vile uh this is a couple years ago a couple weeks ago Governor Newsom signed a law that would allow judges to decide whether or not to list someone as a sex offender for have an oral or anal with a minor this bill has been appalled has appalled many as it should and yet some have failed to realize that it is simply meant to expand the discretion that was already granted to judges in the past you see stuff like this and it's it's so extreme that you're like yeah this is not real this is this has got to be fake now you can go Google this for yourself and do your own research as we're going through this stuff but uh folks if you watch this with these two uh brave men Garrett boil as well as Steve friend who came out to share their ideas and thoughts and more of a long form where they can speak freely I recommend you you give this video share it with others and ask them what are your thoughts on this give it a sub give it a thumbs up and at the same time go to Steve's sub stack I think Steve you have a substance Garrett has a sub stack that's called last line.substack.com that is his sub stack let's put the link below for that and then Steve you have a book that's coming out I believe June 13th true blue my journey from Beat cop to suspended FBI whistleblower that is coming out here uh June 13th in the next uh shy of two weeks place the order support these gentlemen as they're going through this phase right now uh and once again uh fellas thank you for your work thank you for the sacrifice and I got a lot of respect for you guys for doing what you're doing we need more folks like you and I'm sure more people are going to be uh from your background are going to be giving you guys more Intel as you're sharing that with the rest of us we can kind of see that this is becoming normal for them to be held accountable because I I think specially an institution that we pay their salaries they need to be held accountable you and I are paying for them once again thank you so much for coming on to the podcast take care everybody have a good one bye-bye [Music]

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Published: Thu Jun 01 2023