Interview with Dr. David Harper | Author of BioDiet

hey everyone how are you welcome I am here with dr. David G Harper as I've been talking about for the last month I think and he is the author of bio diet I'm gonna read it here a scientifically proven ketogenic way to lose weight and improve your health so that's why we're here today thank you so much for coming on today Dave oh it's a pleasure to date early so we've been we've been chatting for quite a while and I've been looking forward to this yes yes we have and I have not been able to put your book down in fact I've kind of earmarked earmarked areas that I've read over and over again because and I've actually taken some good notes here so I'm gonna tell you people that are here that I am gonna be looking at my notes because I'm not a memorizer but I want to make sure that you know there's certain things that I want to get in and one of the things I want to say is oh well first of all I want to ask you how's your book tour going because you yeah well we we launched the book may 7th and it's very very delighted to see it go straight to number one in some categories on Amazon in Anna first day actually oh my gosh breast cancer which is my research and also anatomy physiology and then anatomy and then it was on the top hundred new books and in nonfiction Wow so it's been great the the sort of the physical tour traveling across the country won't be for another couple weeks yet I'll be in back east in Montreal Toronto like Hamilton Calgary Union and some events here I was down hey if you organize it all come for sure I'm not become a camel I love camel it's you know as I was just in Bend Oregon giving a presentation to a group of biohackers they're also having a bit of mediation and and yeah it was really um it's really fun kind of reminded me of camel it's there a little bit a little bit like Hamlet's crossed with with Whistler of it so so yeah that yeah I've been doing a lot of mostly podcasts and and radio interviews I'll be doing some television and stuff in the coming weeks and it's very exciting I love talking about this and one of the reasons that that my wife and I wrote the book my wife is the co-author Dale Drury yeah - she was yeah and we it's really an advocacy piece because I feel very strongly as a scientist that the information the public's getting about what constitutes a healthy diet is a bit misinformed and not supported by robust science and that actually the low carbohydrate high fat diet is is one that is probably more suited to most people and I want to start off by saying first of all I'm not a physician I go like dr. Harper's a PhD so I'm not if and so I provide health advice not medical advice and and you know the reason we wrote this book was to explain the science behind a ketogenic diet because I don't think it's well explained right now in terms that are engaging and approachable and that's where my wife really helped journal is I think you know we think about it for weight loss which is fantastic of course but the health benefits I mean that's just just so exciting and that's really your area of research isn't it yeah it is in chronic disease so ketogenic diets for therapeutic benefits for chronic disease but you know weight loss is if you look in the United States obesity for example is a disease is considered be a disease so so if you are overweight obese and weight loss is also you know a seraph utak benefit for a chronic disease but but you know if weight loss wasn't associated with any health issues I wouldn't worry about it but I'm really interested in how ketogenic diets can be used to address cancer cardiovascular disease diabetes Alzheimer's and each other a chronic disease cerebral Aikens and I just want to jump in and I am gonna just read this because Dave dr. Harper is just so accomplished and he I just want to read you know his credentials because it for the information that he gives in the book you know just validates everything he's gonna be talking about so dr. David G Harper he's a scientist health educator associate professor of kinesiology at the University of the Fraser Valley which by the way is my University I went to the one and I was hurt yeah for two years and he's a visiting scientist of the BC Cancer Research Centre Terry Fox lab a member of the scientific advisory board of the Canadian clinic clinicians for therapeutic nutrition and a member of the Institute for personalized therapeutic nutrition so that's that's a lot but you know I wear a lot of hats it's important for people to know that when you're talking about let's look like you know what you're talking about I mean this is what you do this is what you yeah yeah thanks it's very flattering and I'm a little bit humbled by all of that but but when one should always you know accept their accomplishments I suppose I've been working very hard on this industry for about 10 years now and so again I I was looking at the information of people were getting you know lots of people have heard about ketogenic diets tons of them like almost everybody and even those that haven't say yeah you have heard of what keto what you know they don't really understand what is and then I always asked well where did you get the information if they've tried a ketogenic diets also I just got on the internet yeah and I said from what course oh I don't know and and and I thought you know from a I've been doing clinical trials with with participants for about seven eight years now and we're really careful we make sure that there's physician oversight because there could be adverse effects especially during the adaptation phase there could write almost all we need for concomitant reduction of drugs that people are taking drugs for high blood pressure or for high blood sugar so there's a lot of sort of very people are just spouting their opinions which is the nature of the internet anybody can say anything so what I wanted to do you know one of the books you know there's some great cookbooks out there some recipe books there's a lot of books written by trainers and they have varying degrees of expertise and and frankly some of the recommendations there are a bit edgy as trainers tend to be you know they tend to want to push people a little bit and then there's a lot by physicians which I always find interesting because physicians and I have tons of respect for physicians in fact the Canadian clinicians for therapeutic nutrition are mostly physicians but they don't get nutritional training in medical school they're average in North America is five to eight hours during their four years so yeah yeah so I thought you know there are some really good books I've been working with Jeff Bullock and and I know Steve Fenny well and and they've had a book out for more than ten years but but I think there's a need yeah he's great yeah and and so I I thought that was it was timely that we get the right information out so that people that are interested in ketogenic diets can find out why it works so that's the first half of bio diet is why it works and then and then secondly how to work with your physician just to safely adopt a ketogenic diet so that you reduce any of the symptoms in the adaptation phase and and that you if there's any adverse effects that come up you know how to how to address those and and I really feel it's important to emphasize people should be doing this with their physicians and and and a qualified nutritional counselor as well if possible absolutely yes for sure that's such good points and that's why we really wanted to bring up your credentials because you are so qualified to be talking about this I mean we in our support group you know we try so hard but we have difference of opinions we all study different things and I think it's really nice to hear from someone who studies that I mean this literally like you said it's been your life for 10 years and so it's just really great to hear especially when it comes to preventing and reversing disease that's is so important you know most of us in the group are 40 plus a lot of us 50 plus and we really need to think about things like this so one of the things I had written down here that I wanted to talk about was before you started getting into this you know when everyone was talking about the usual pyramid eating and things like that what was it for you that was the change you know what made you saying wait a minute what about this you know because you were you were before this all became very popular you know right now it's popular but you've been researching this for longer than that so what was that for you it's a great question leader because it you know everybody has their own personal journey and and and this is really a lifestyle change right one of the one that CD points I want to make this is huge egg diets despite the pushback we're getting and some of the media it's a it's it's not a fad diet it's not an unhealthy diet but if you're if you're not adapted to fat metabolism there's some careful consideration you need to take there so my particular journey you know I bet I've been you know what we call the you know traditional Western diet or the conventional wisdom which was a high carbohydrate low fat diet you know very low 30% of calories less from from fat and 10% or less from saturated fat and you have mostly carbohydrates and that's what I've been teaching for thirty plus years my students in my health courses and and III honestly need even in the book I said I have to apologize to you because I told you the wrong stuff and frankly I wasn't being a good scientist when I did that because I never looked at the primary research that supported that and so the story starts when I had a radio show called think for yourself which is a show about critical critical reasoning and healthy skepticism and we would talk about various topics this was on the local community radio here but it's sort of NPR in the United States if you have any listeners there same sort of thing and again so we had one episode we're talking about what's the best way to lose weight is it in in the kitchen with vote or is it in the gym with exercise and and I'm a kinesiology professor that's one of my hats so I was taking the the role of their you know exercise is the way to lose weight right and we had that we really hard and it hey I want people to go to the gym work out really hard but but but but but not to lose weight and so we dr. Richard Matthias from the he's a physician and a PhD from the UBC School of Public Health was there and he studied traditional First Nations diets which are ketogenic and so you know we can't we were talking on the show about he asked me you know what do you think it's the cause of obesity and I gave this sort of party line at the time this is more than 10 years ago you know well it's a multifactorial problem that has psychosocial factors and metabolic issues and you know and to do with the mobility and and to do with exercise and he sort of looked at me anyway two chi-lites finished he said Dave it's much simpler than that it's a it's a it's a physiological to excess carbohydrate in the diet and we on radio we call it dead air I was just speechless I just I've been teaching this stuff for 35 years tonight my field in teaching is anatomy physiology pathology and I understand all the mechanisms to that level and it all just everything just clicked all at once I thought okay of course it actually probably is that simple and and so we the whole discussion changed and and I left that interview and change person and I went and I thought well I have to go and you know I have to go and find this research that was supporting the conventional diet that fats are bad for you and saturated fats cause heart disease and we need to have and I it's just not there leader it's not there there it was a hypothesis but forward by Ansel keys in the 60s and never memories and it's so funny how things just spiral and they take this one thing and then they base everything on this one thing and it was flawed from the beginning you know I know and I don't know what kind of organization you working with how many times have you been in a meeting where somebody says oh we just need a policy let's just go with this now and if it doesn't work we'll fix it later and it's kind of like that's what they said well this seems right you know like if you're overweight that's too many calories too many calories fat provides most calories so it must be too much fat and you know fat is what we find in this atherosclerosis in the cardiovascular system and that's what causes heart disease so so it must all be about fat and it all made sense but yes that's just a hypothesis in science that's not a theory Nora you know return either yeah so so so when I when I went to see what the evidence was it's just not there now it's not that they didn't look for it the in the United States they spent more than two billion dollars in adjusted dollars over 30 years trying to prove that saturated fats caused cardiovascular disease and they came by empty empty every study came up and at me in fact saturated fats you know marginally have no effect but some saturated fats for instance in dairy have been shown to actually be cardioprotective actually good for your heart so that was the first thing I think was that there is no evidence that saturated fat there's no robust scientific evidence there are all kinds of these epidemiological studies where they do surveys and ask you what you ate a year ago you know and you fill these things out and they make these correlational graphs and and there's the famous now much debunked Ancel Keys seven countries study where he conveniently left out the countries that had high saturated fat diets and low cardiovascular disease because they didn't fit his line and so yes yeah so then I said well what's the alternative and and you know the Paleo thing has been around for a while and they looked at that and I thought well it you know I'm a biologist that's my training so what are humans designed to actually eat what's a diet for us and clearly you know in our hunter-gatherer days you know hominids have been around for a couple of million years and and and Homo sapiens for at least a couple of thousand hundred thousand years and we and we existed all that time and evolved quite happily all that time without carbohydrate or diet in any appreciable matter um yeah and it's only the it's only since agriculture that we started and we needed agriculture we were living in you know communities where we had division of labor and people had to have foods that provided calories that they could store and travel with and grains provided that but I would yeah but I would argue that they're not a natural human food and we certainly shouldn't be encouraging people to eat a quarter of their of their calories per day and from grains and call that a healthy night as we are in the end the can of food guide that's just come on well even on top of that there's so many people that have inflammatory issues with grains I mean I'm one of those people I mean if I may be a one-off here and there and I'm okay but if I go more than one situational meal though that has grains I paid for it I mean I can feel it immediately but I've also been you know grain free for quite a long time so I notice it but when PETA eat this all the time every single day they don't realize how they're feeling you know I'm just gonna I'm sorry to be distracted a little bit but I just thought some people commenting that you're just saying that they couldn't eat the live so I'm just gonna look in here because I know it was all set up ahead of time and I'm just trying to see I don't know if any of you guys oh there's I saw ok I see two people that was me I just wanted me if there's anybody in there watching which I think that says there's X amount of people but I just can't see the comments so maybe you could comment like it's a team chat here in my there we go I think sometimes there's a little bit of a delay when it comes out I mean we've been talking here for fifteen minutes or whatever but I can see that you know two people have commented and they are in the group so I know that so it's in there if anyone can tell if you're watching maybe someone could post in the group I really can't do it right now but just post in the group I can see live fire maybe you could just post in there that if they go I mean I'll yeah it should be just sitting right there and they should just be able to click on it so I think there was just a bit of a delay anyway so sorry so sorry I came here on a real go there I'll let you continue whatever you're saying you were talking about I'm just talking about the can of food guide grains and and and and yeah and you make that you had some inflammatory issues with that very concert that's next day the very next day my left knee has always been a bit of an issue okay I thought I needed knee surgery actually just a little bit back story there but I really thought I needed a knee surgery and I had just slight like arthritic he kind of feeling or whatever and it's completely gone completely gone I don't need knee surgery I don't have arthritis and I don't feel achy or anything but if I have that one meal like say you're on vacation or whatever and you know the food's really good you like whatever and so you do it and that's fine I know I'll pay for and do I ever and it probably takes me about a week a full week to get back to where I was before so yeah that's a you know there's only a couple of times sorry there's only a couple of times where I've you know just said well I'll try a piece of pizza or costal and see what happens it's fine when I nicked that but but the next day I hurt and good like that's what I yes oh I'm gonna treat myself and I have this thing and then what even as I'm eating it I'm going okay I could've totally just ate the toffee like that the the bratty part is so glad it doesn't even taste like anything and now that just gave me X amount of macros or whatever and I could so it's not even as enjoyable as I thought it was my dammit yeah I find the same thing I find it kind of mealy and like you texture just it's funny because and there's not really any flavor in there anyway and that's the thing you know the way we make grains flavorful is by adding like salt and and and especially sugar to it and then people eat it but I think you know what's your key to adapt and that's that's the great thing about well formulated ketogenic diets like the bio diet is is that they are naturally anti-inflammatory but also they're of course that isn't free because you're not eating any grains and the glide and protein it's in the yes I just want to say too just because it seemed like we were talking for a while made with paper just you know getting on now or whatever but I just wanted to show again dr. Harper's book bio diet or information too there's a lot of information on his website which is IO diet org and I'm gonna put that in the link afterwards when it when this video gets posted but there's a lot of a memory in there too and yeah when you talk about the website on this mentioned we actually have you there's a little bit of a preview of the book there and there's a link to Amazon and on if you go to the Amazon link in the Kindle version you can actually read the first my camera what is 50 pages or so of the book so you get the introduction get a feel of how its laid out and then we have some resources for you that are from the book and additional resources that people can access free from the website org and if anybody has bought the book on say Amazon or any of the other online retailers if you like the book I would just please in order to help me advocate if you could provide a review of the book on there there's a couple up there they're just fantastic there's a woman I've never met a physician in Minnesota who bought the book and just you know she just said this is every student in medical school should be reading this and I was just as almost two years I just like that that's exactly what I wrote yeah just a little Amazon Pompeii intent for the sell on Amazon reviews are gold absolute gold and they meet everything especially when you're your smaller leaves we're showing first starting out like it is so important so yeah if you guys could please review if you bought the book please review because it yeah and and I should mention this is self-published so is it we paid for the whole thing up front and it looks it doesn't look like a self-published book but it is and so we don't have the same resources as a big publisher to get you know advertising that we're paying for all that ourselves and we have some really great people or working with help doing that but a lot of is on social media so just an opportunity to talk to you and your group leaders is fantastic I really appreciated well and this is just such a benefit for us like I'm just taking a quick look over here so like I'm not Oprah and I'm not I don't even know if I have everything set up I'm just so glad to see some people commenting cuz it's like oh my gosh I hope it's actually on here I see Eric and Sandra and near and Maya and Lisa so that's great so there's some people on but if you know on as it comes on and then we'll also have the replay and I will post it on all of my social media platforms so it's gonna get out there for sure so folks that are doing live feel free to just fire away with questions I'm happy to answer your questions during or we can at the end I'm happy to stay on it and when we if I see something pertinent to exactly what you're saying I'll maybe just sit off a little bit and ask you and then someone we can stay to the end too so just public good questions great yeah okay so I do like as I said at the beginning I do have some notes here so I'm just gonna go down here because I wanted to ask you the thing I really love one of the many things that I absolutely love about your book is how you sort of graduate people into this because you know for people who have been living their lifestyle of heavy heavy heavy carbs possibly a lot of not good healthy foods and then when you start something like this it's like it's such a shock you know it's just oh my gosh and it's overwhelming and and kind of emotional because a lot of us have the emotional connections to eating so yours goes into phases and I was wondering if you could talk a little bit just you know in general how the phases folks I think it's so important because then it really does become your lifestyle yeah yeah you said that so well too I mean food people are emotional about food there's cultural value to food a lot of these cultural thing or around holidays and they involve a lot of sweet foods and very high carb high glycemic index foods so so adapting is this partly a lifestyle it is a lifestyle change but from a metabolic perspective it is a significant use the word shock to your system I think that's a fair fair comment and and so what I realized one of the things one of the you know one of the things that's a little bit different about the bio diet from some of the other diet ketogenic diet related books is this some easing into it so what I've found when I've been counseling people over the last ten years is that some people do okay with kind of a cold turkey and you can do it I have advice in bio diet about how to do a cold turkey oh I found more successful in levy ating the symptoms of the keto flu which is a common side effect during the adaptation phase we can talk about but just also that lifestyle change you need some time to do that so there's a and the time limits are not fixed this is not a totally prescriptive book you can you can adapt it to what works for you but the five phase they're generally for the first one is an assessment phase it's called by OSS but I have bio in front of all the five phases it's called yeah so the your assessment is where you actually do some physical measurements of yourself to see what you know you need a starting point to see if the diet's working for you and we generally recommend about about a one season or 12-week intervention to start waistline start yeah you get your baseline and there's some pretty very simple pretty cool measurements there's some some new ones people probably haven't heard about they're a lot better than BMI and then also going to your physician getting a full you know lipid panel the blood work done suit your blood sugar your blood pressure your the start you can also consider things like a DEXA scan which is women do for bone scans for bone density it also tells you your fat content but where your fat is and it's the mid end domina hey I've been looking for that myself hopefully and it's not easy to find at least in my town it's not maybe a Vancouver or something it is but here I can't I can't find to get that scan no address yeah it's it's I just had it I guess to ask my physic and again I went to the hospital and did it you pay you pay yourself it's $120 a really nice number so I'm guessing that maybe a little bit more resources but still probably we worth probably if a person had to because I think that's a really great measure yeah we're second round pick around with some of the private health providers might have a DEXA scan some of the universities even have them for research what they're not unusual yeah and then and that's that's the first step is is is is getting that baseline and also determining like ketogenic diets are not for everybody they'll probably work for about 7 out of 8 people but that one or two eight they there could actually be some concerns there so you need to wait well yeah yeah so in the in the in the bio assessment phase I talked about condition some of the conditions for which you should not be on a ketogenic diet unfortunately they're very rare genetic disorders about carnitine right tablets go on porphyria and some conditions like that and then there are some drugs which you should not be taking if you take and there even changing cell d2 SLG t2 inhibitors which are one of the blood sugar inhibitors they you should not be on those and on a ketogenic diet and again a lot of people with diabetes just do this and they don't consider that so it's a very important consideration and then there are conditions for which you it could be okay but we're not sure yet like type 1 diabetes what I say we're not sure I'm not I'm not again I'm not a medical doctor but you have to discuss whether it's appropriate for you so this would be people with kidney disorders or disease or maybe kidney transplants or people with liver problems and then there are some conditions which you know again you need your physicians advice which would be if you know if you're breastfeeding for example you need to have physician approval that now specific though like I mean when you say these people should be on a ketogenic diet in the sense of making ketones you know be in it but you could still eat this way and still have those conditions I mean really you're just cutting out a lot of refined carbohydrates but maybe just not as severely to get into ketosis is that the difference yeah I think yeah you put that pretty well I think later you you you like ketosis is a specific very low carbohydrate metabolic conversion and it takes some time for those genes and and and metabolic pathways to be activated which is why some people experience this keto flu but yeah I think every everybody listen the North American diet is about 50% of calories or from highly processed foods and they're just not good for you and about 25% of those calories are from sugar and half of sugars is fructose which is a known hepato toxin so we have a lot of conversations about organic food and and you know GMO free food and gluten free and I go yeah but you're eating if you're eating a Western diet like 1/8 of your calories are from poison like a known neurotoxin so don't worry about this other stuff get sugar out of your diet get that we get that many refined foods out of your diet including seed oils by the way vegetable oils have from seeds you know I you know the common seed oil and caught and all the cheap canola I don't believe those are necessarily healthy for people replace them with healthy fats like olive oil macadamia oil you know and so on well yeah so so yes every everybody I think would benefit from getting processed food highly processed highly refined food out of their diet and especially with with sugar yeah for sure and then those of those for whom it's appropriate and again the reason I say seven out of eight people is that's just a rough number but if you also look in the United States right now three-quarters of American adults that's eighteen and over are either overweight or obese so presumably because the ketogenic diet is the best diet to reduce body fat and the Bayeux diet is is especially formulated to be a nutritionally complete diet so we call that a well formulated ketogenic diet it's amazingly healthy it's just absolutely love that because there there's there's Chiti Chiti keto and I'm not saying that I don't do ever duty Tiki - okay everybody knows I like my halo once in a while and other things but anyway but I know you know you need to be yeah TD keto shortens to cheat Oh so that'll tell you what I think of cheating on ketogenic guys actually I you know I anything I there's a lot of myths I talked about one of those misses anything in moderation and and really diet is is such a slippery slope people are really not that mindful about what they eat they generally just get hungry and they go and they eat something that tastes good that fills them up and that's our problem is we're not being mindful about we're not eating real food and by the way one of the myths I like to dispel is that a ketogenic diet is necessarily bacon and eggs three times a day yes you know I'm makin an eggs once or maybe twice a day yeah yeah it's not most of what I eat is vegetable so when people say oh you know the you should be a plant-based I said you can eat a plant-based diet on and have it ketogenic it's a challenge to be completely playing like vegan but this chain sure if you want to eat eggs and cheese and dairy and nuts and stuff a vegetarian diet can be key to tonight for sure but but yeah I just want to emphasize the fact that there are some people for whom a ketogenic diet is not appropriate and only your physician can can help you determine that which is why it's important to go and see your physician and talk about it and let me be saying that I just want to interrupt to say they can't find the right physician because I hear this all the time where people say oh I went to my doctor and I told my doing this they said no you shouldn't do that well that's one doctor's opinion and as you said how many hours did they get of nutritional education like okay well I can tell you why that I knew after Pathak doctor would be better or possibly even a dietician depending on what their scope is but I do think that you've got to find the right person I don't mean find the right person to tell you what you want to hear I just me find the right person that's educated that actually understands what it's done I can tell you why that is because one of the things that I've done over my career I've taught the physiology to people going to medical school and and the one thing they learn and this is why I've actually branded bio diet rather than putting anything keto in the title because what physicians learn is that one of the consequences of end-stage or or severe diabetes is something called ketoacidosis and ketoacidosis is absolutely life-threatening it can cause you to go in coma and die and and the dangers of being diabetic of course now that's what they what sticks in their head they hear quito and they think joe acidosis they think diabetic coma and then yeah now so the level of ketone it's like anything else if you have the right amount of calcium in your blood it's perfect but it's a very narrow range between nine and eleven milligrams per milliliter for calcium so more calcium is a better unit in fact it would kill you so less calcium is so so everything is regulated within a range now a low level of ketones in your system is quite a normal state in fact it probably happens to most people every night but you can actually increase that by decreasing your carbohydrate intake and at that point there's not only all the benefits you talked about in terms of feeling great and losing weight but it's a very powerful signaling hormone that does all kinds of wonderful things in your body that really it your brain works better your heart prefers that as a fuel and your brain prefers it as a fuel your muscles we use it and fuel and and so the the ketones there they're being burned all the time but yeah so what's happening is you're reducing the amount of glucose you need in your blood and you're replacing that essentially almost one for one with with beta-hydroxybutyrate which is the key ketone we call it BHB in short i know you're on your products and BHB an oral supplement that's a great one i use that we talked about the easing in process so what I what I counsel people to do is to is to start taking MCT oil during that that phase between the assessment and the hardcore stop eating carbohydrates I just get them to catch sugar and alcohol out of their diet and then I get them to add in MCT oil and the reason for that is to start getting your body used to the presence of something that should have been there all along but wasn't in appreciable amounts and and now it's going to be and that'll trigger those enzymatic pathways to allow you to alleviate some of the symptoms of the keto flu like just easing in and adding these things or taking some things out adding some things in and you're just getting your body used to it I love that because so many do struggle I have to do all these things I don't know all the rules what are all the thing and it's really overwhelming for a lot of people and I think your transitions them in perfectly it's it's a guy right that's it's a guide it's a guy for not just for the not just for individuals but it's a guy did take this to your doctor's office have you read this book because it's a guide for physicians and as well as as well as patients now they do oh yeah yeah I I've gone in with a with a few different things and um he's loved it so I mostly see my naturopathic doctor yeah that's why I do my regular doctor for testing I guess you just have to feel out your doctor buddy you gotta try I mean a lot of them are coming around so it's worth a shot right yeah and that so the Canadian clinicians for therapeutic nutrition there's I think almost 6,000 members now and most of them are physicians so that's how many and this is a low carb it's not specifically keto it's a low carb high fat and so there are thousands of physicians across Canada that are now using it and the reason why is that it actually helps people get better rather than just managing a disease that's progressing a type 2 type 2 diabetes there are no drugs that reverse type 2 diabetes they only slow an inevitable premature death with all kinds of other complications and but a ketogenic diet will we about 94 percent of people can reduce their medication just I'm just talk about diabetes here 94 percent can reduce their medication 64 percent I think that's the right number 64 percent will actually reverse their diabetes which means they no longer need to take medication and their blood Sugar's being controlled naturally because they remember there are no essential carbohydrates your body makes its glucose as need libitum we say in the liver through a process that's called gluconeogenesis making new glucose and it makes it add new so when you regulate when you regulate that the production of glucose you moderate the insulin and and all of the chronic disease shouldn't say all of it 70% of chronic disease is related to obesity insulin resistance and and inflammation as we're talking about earlier and I call these the the axis of illness right knee remember the George Bush axis medieval so I I called the axis of illness it's a very simple model those three things if you can do something to reduce insulin resistance obesity and inflammation then those chronic diseases you light up from happening or you'll be able to to reduce the effects of them and maybe even return yourself to perfect health again or optimal health and that's a nice thing we could do a full Facebook live in this group in this group alone because it's hard because we don't always talk about it at the same time and I haven't screen shot at you know every one but there has been so many conversation so many posts of people exactly that type one type to insulin resistance whatever and there are people that are no longer on medication at all and a lot of them were life timers I mean they had been on medication for their whole life and they have completely reversed it not just I mean a lot of them have improved for sure but completely reversed I mean it's just it's crazy it's crazy exciting I just get so every time someone posts something like that I get I get so giddy because it's the weight loss is wonderful it really really and it does obviously it connects to diabetes but when you hear about these illnesses being reversed I mean what have you when you ever hear about and these things being reversed do you not I mean like anything in age with you know you can medicate and you can you know mask it and everything but to actually reverse something naturally all right well I mean they crazy you're absolutely right and you know drug companies work on this all the time they've got nowhere on it and there's a there's a a premise in philosophy called Occam's razor and essentially Occam's razor says don't look for a more complicated theory until you've rejected a simpler theory and so let's let's think about that for a while let's say you have type 2 diabetes and you go to your physician your physician I'll say well your blood sugar is too high so I'm going to recommend this medication let's say it's metformin that will reduce your blood sugar and then they monitor your sugar and your blood sugar is lower so they feel this is having a therapeutic effect and and this is our management system you don't have a health care system we have a disease management system and and then so then is so so a question and they would say okay but the DS disease is still gonna progress and you're gonna have to take more medication and probably get on insulin at some point but let's ask the question let's see I'm a design thinker that's another one of the hats I wear as design thank you for innovation yeah well they so one of the tricks there is the is the five why's okay so why is your blood sugar high well your blood Sugar's high because your your insulin resistant oh okay why am i insulin resistant well your insulin resistant because over the years your insulin levels have been so high that your cells are now becoming kind of deaf to that insulin signal we and so then then the body has to produce more insulin to have the same effect and that makes them more deaf so over time you become insulin resistant and then your blood sugar isn't controllable well why does it where we insulin resistant while we're insulin resistant you know because that high why do we have these high insulin levels all the time well insulin is released when you have sugar in your blood because you've just eaten a lot of sugar and then you go okay well why am i eating a lot of sugar well that's what's recommended so everybody should be eating a lot of when I place triggered by the way all carbohydrate triggering the blood the rest of it is fiber that stays in the digestive system or the soluble fiber which gets converted to fat but so then that so then the end it's okay instead of just managing this blood sugar issue why don't we just not eat the carbohydrate and see what happens and that's you know what it's only recently we've done that and great great even private-sector organs like Verta health have been saying a lot on the research to show that if you just get sugar out of people's diets and get that starchy food out of their diets when most people type 2 diabetes it resolved and it's that the the science says for most people your insulin resistance improves by about 75% within four weeks and this is very typical we see some people completely reverse diabetes type two that they've had for years as well as three days we've seen some people that's very rare but three days all of a sudden they don't need their medication but that is just incredible like yeah it really and you know another thing too that diabetes would I would say would be the most prevalent talked about in the group but second to that is cholesterol I find that to be a very confusing topic I'm not certainly don't know a lot about I've never had a problem you know either way so nothing I really looked at to myself but you know just understanding you know how does it work with the ketogenic diet and you know statin drugs and you know all this stuff I mean you could clarify it all about the whole cholesterol thing and I think made people feel a little bit better too you know thank you how much time do you have I think is it well we could we could you know what and and and again I'm not a physician so I hesitate to talk about drugs that's that's the physicians world but I can tell you and and there is some in in one of there's actually quite a bit in here and I had to kind of fight to keep it in in bio diet about about cholesterol it towards the end there's some FH use and I and I anticipated that people would be concerned but there are about about five to eight percent of people actually experience an increase in in LDL and and LDL is the one biomarker that physicians look at in terms of high cholesterol they look at your overall cholesterol which is HDL LDL and triglycerides and then they use this free actually you know what they measure HDL and they measure triglycerides but the the LDL is actually derived from something called a Freedom all the equation and it depends on how much triglyceride is in your system and so on so and people that are ketogenic they tend at very low triglycerides which is a good thing because that's what you're burning that's the triglycerides are the fats that you're burning right and so as you're burning them of course they're much lower in your in your system and because of that lower triglyceride level it gives you a kind of an artificially high LDL reading that isn't actually right now so generally we talk about LDL being bad cholesterol and HDL being good cholesterol so so HDL goes around and collects cholesterol from the body where it can be causing problems excess of cholesterol in the blood and the cells by the way you need cholesterol it's it's part of all animal cell part of our membranes and so on it's easy it's what's used to synthesize all the hormones like cortisol and all the sex hormones and so on it's the accordant cholesterol is not a bad thing it's a it's a it's a necessary thing but the HDL takes it the excess away and takes it back to the liver so HDL is kind of like a housekeeper that goes and cleans up the mass and kicks it back so you want your HDL s to be higher the higher is generally better LDLs are a bit of a different case because LDLs do the opposite they take it from the stores and they put it into sorry my phone just rang there and and it's taken into the excuse me my wife picks that up and I think she has good so the the LDLs are taking it from the stores into the cells where they're being used and if there's too much LDL in the system then you know then there's there's too much in your blood and that's what they're measuring now there's actually three different types of LDLs there's very low-density LDLs the so called light fluffy LDLs there's the intermediate and then there's the small particle LDL and we don't measure any of those in Canada we just measure total LDL so in Canada you don't know and only the small one correlates with cardiovascular disease so one of the things that happens on a ketogenic diet is that you are burning fats and the vldls are the main you think of it as trucks to carrying you know from the from the farm to the to the plate so so the vldls are carrying those healthy fats to the cells like your muscle cells in the heart and brain to be burnt and and so you need need more of that when you're on a ketogenic diet because it's doing more work but over time those can turn into small particle LDLs and those are the ones that are not beneficial so really to get a true measure you need you really in in Canada unique over the United States and you need to know not just the concentration which is the LDL C but LDL P which is the particle number and that will give you a better view of things but what also happens on the the great thing and that's okay so that's what physicians are concerned about is that LDL like I admitted mine and he did in the first six months or so mine did go up like my good cholesterol went up but also my bad cholesterol went up but then after six months it just kind of went back to what it was before which was within what they call you know perfect range and my good molestor all is like through the roof good and then my dad is just you know where should be kind of things so it just worked itself out and that's what I see especially with women is okay so if your HDL and your LDL going up your total cholesterol is going up so then your physician will say okay your cholesterol said arranged so the N is at the LDL or the HDL because you know water better is great for HDL and the measurements use in Canada you know my wife's at like 3 I'm at like 2.2 or something so I've you know I've seen that dramatically go up which is great the other thing is your triglycerides are very low so so people are now looking at other markers like the ratio of HDL to triglyceride as a better predictor because I can again I'm not I'm not a physician so I'm not I don't I want people that have discussed this with their physician but half of people that have cardiovascular accidents these are strokes and heart attacks have absolutely normal cholesterol yes we were we're gonna start from scratch and look for a marker that was going to predict that we wouldn't be using LDL cholesterol yeah so there's also the equal a april-b ratio which are the the specific types of liquid proteins that are in those LDLs and it does get complicated I suggest people go I have reading the book there are some great YouTube videos as well there's one and I wish I could remember his name it starts with an S it's from low carb down under so if you are to put in your browser low carb down under cholesterol I can't remember his name now it's like carrots or something like that yeah maybe it's money the listeners don't know about that he gives a really good PowerPoint presentation that explains a lot of the cholesterol issues but what I have seen it differently you know what I mean maybe that will start to evolve and change because right now they're sticking with it's almost like the food pyramid at the cholesterol you know we're just sticking with the same measurements that we've always done and maybe there's a different way to do it well there is but we have to react eight the medical community because they you know what a physician does and by the way the physician is concerned about your health and if they will do anything they don't just want it to prescribe drugs and get you out of their office they really do you want you to get healthier that's why so many physicians are now turning to diet to help people get healthy but they you know they have their standard of care and the standard of care is dictated by say the Canadian cardiology Society so they just say this is the number this is the raine refound and and when some B's are that range this is what you should do you should recommend a stat if their LDL is out of range so so they're just doing their job they're just doing their job now as a patient you don't have to accept that advice you can talk to an conductor you can say for not yeah but what's funny is you often say you know well my LDL is high and and but I don't want to go on a set and they'll say what's your diet like why you need ketogenic diet I said well you gotta get rid of saturated fat that's the saturated fat is one of the things that's raising your HDL there's three things that raise HDL one is alcohol one is exercise and one is eating session and so all of those things are good alcohol in moderation okay like a glass of wine or two a day depending on your side okay you just brush to a whole other subject here I was going to save it for you but okay go ahead oh okay well because I'm looking at the time - it's like oh my gosh it's already we could sit here for like two days and just talk I mean this is still amazing but few things that I did want to touch on one was you know sometimes it gets a little bit frustrating I think most of us are doing the ketogenic diet for health absolutely but sometimes the weight loss you know it's not always you know in our favor sometimes we stall whatever you know are there any tips or anything that you can tell us like besides going through all the phases in your book and doing you know but when you get to that point where you say okay I feel like I am doing everything right so is there a little tweak or something or maybe for me maybe for my particular body I need to look at adjusting this are there any things that you you know I love what you just said leave from my particular body because everybody's gonna respond differently so so so what I have in my book is is you know very approachable and engaging very short for the original I've written I want to say that to his so he's like I'm just gonna say like super geeky science what I was I just backtrack we were at a keto conference together and I mean he could totally Kiko like the crazy but he speaks in everyday language and that's in his book that's what I really love so much about his book life is in Quran yeah I'm so sorry Dale yeah you too and I just I just love it and so anyways I'm sorry I keep on interrupting you but like you're sitting you're so there's just so many great things to talk about you in the book and I just want to get it in there because it's just so awesome but yeah so you were saying thank you so much that now you don't know what you were saying we were saying about if they're in the book we were talking about transitioning in but then when you get on that point always we okay okay first point is everybody's gonna react differently this is why it really helps yet somebody who is has expertise in nutritional counseling to help you you know diet through is a pretty good site and they now have a list of physicians globally that are aware of low carb nice the Canadian clinicians therapeutic nutri I think it's T C and T C a is their website and that's I'm on their scientific advisory board there they're providing a list of physicians that can help with this but there's also when you get into registered dieticians it depends because some of them only want to work through their scope of practice which is the can of food guide that sometimes a challenge and nutritional counselors because they're not regulated it's quite variable so that's why I say find a good one word-of-mouth or whatever you can do don't ask me I do that too but you can probably find somebody a lot less expensive than me because I write I do is work I do is pro bono with women with breast cancer so that's the first thing is it's not one-size-fits-all and if people react differently we do it is what happened for people that stall in the process and you know generally and it's also people ask me well what if I want to do fasting or what if I want to do vegan or whatever I said listen if you're losing weight and you're you're overweight or obese and you're losing weight whatever is working for you go with that and one of the very simple principles about people who are overweight or obese they're trying to lose weight is whatever you do to get back to that weight you have to do that for the rest of your life so that's why I really am side this is a lifestyle change it's not a 12-week it into your bikini and look over the summer it's a lifestyle change that's intended to be permanent but because of that some people use stall not everybody's weight just goes steadily down some people go yes and and usually what we talk about in the book is quite quite detailed for a short conversation is about four or five different tricks you can do to kind of just shake it up a bit and identify what's causing that pause and weight loss but but I would also not I would encourage people not to focus just on weight loss look at those other biomark done and see how they feel that the one thing I've counseled hundreds of people not not thousands like dr. Eric Westmont at Duke University but hundreds of people 100 percent of the people use that 400 percent 100 percent of them have all said I just feel better and and and if and if that's the only thing that people happen to get sugar out of their life and they just feel broader and I call that a win and I don't I'm not really that concerned if weight right yeah I know and I say the same thing you know it's hard because people a lot of people especially you know when they first join in Aikido group or whatever that's their main concern is the losing weight but a lot of them have said yeah that was what I first joined and that's why I first started thinking about and then they changed as time went on and they realized I had no idea I could feel this good I had no idea I could have this kind of energy I had no idea that my health could improve in so many ways oh wait I lost five pounds perfect yeah you know it's kind of like it comes up you know kind of afterwards but I think it's like you have to feel it before you get it that's how I feel because just telling somebody how it's gonna be they don't really know until they're actually in it so it's this little cult that we're in and once you're in it and you feel it you know then you realize that it is a lifestyle and we're gonna do it forever and I think what's yeah exactly once you you know at the the we talked about the first three the first two stages or the you know the assessment and then the preparation then there's the adaptation phase which is usually a couple of weeks that's where you have some Saito direct experience it's probably best to do a whole episode on that and then and then that continued the rejuvenation part of it is the rest of the twelve weeks and I call it rejuvenation because you really do biologically wind back the clock and there's even some evidence that there's some epigenetic changes it actually improved heal amir length and that sort of thing and then the last one is continuation so what do you do at the end of the 12 weeks I hope we'll just stay with it but we talk about transitioning to a low-carb diet what I don't recommend is you go on and off a ketogenic diet because it's as you say it's quite a shock to your system I'm not a big fan of Ivan to fasting you know eat normal 5 days a week and fast for two or vice-versa for that same reason but yeah well you know what I'm gonna ask you I do see a couple questions in the group okay sure yeah but I'm gonna ask you one thing be a little bit personal but um alcohol we often talk in the group about you know what are some appropriate things and certainly don't want to you know pop right out of our ketogenic diet but we do like a drink from time to time and what do you have any advice on that it's generally actually generally alcohol is is outside of beer because beer is liquid bread yeah here is oh yeah so I had and I love beer so I had to quit drinking beer I lost 27 12 weeks that I when I designed this diet back you know eight or so years ago my wife and I were the first to do it I wanted to do it to myself first and see what happened and we were so pleased but I lost 27 pounds of fat my wife lost about 15 pounds of that what our that midsection you know and we're most middle-aged so that was great to see now but we love wine in fact you know it's great being down in Oregon and all those great tea notes they have down there so yeah fermentation is a good thing fermentation turns sugar into alcohol and alcohol doesn't have the say in fact alcohol and especially wine seems to have a positive effect on on insulin sensitivity so and dr. Eric is white kind of has more sugar or does that not really matter in this case some of the some of the wines they'll actually tell you what the residual sugar is so you should try and find drywall I never drink or drink sweet wines why it's actually a little better than red and we talked about this in bio diet as well but there's still like four to six grams so as long as you're not going cream and typically you know I think we need to make you know define what don't go crazy is because yes okay so let's let's talk about that so so you know generally what's considered healthy for and I study you know breast cancer research so for increase so so you don't want to increase your risk of breath which increase without right so generally for women probably you know a five ounce glass of wine a day is fine and for for men let's say - okay I'm not talking about ketosis I'm just talking about other right but we just part of our carbs carbs yeah and again I don't actually you can if you want to but I don't necessarily recommend counting carbs too much because some people get upset with that I know you don't count carts you don't count calories i I give you a whole menu of a whole list of grocery items and just eat that stuff and you'll be fine as long as you ensure one of the things sort of getting back to women that are stalling often with its women that are stalling and weight loss is because they're not eating enough fat so they're actually getting into hypocaloric state which actually lowers your metabolism struggle so one of the things you say it's just just go for it with the butter the grass-fed butter and the olive oil I know I'm sorry can you stop it stopped on my ends and then I hear you still talking I'm sorry I know a little so sorry do you see this is what happens like we we can't coordinate it they'll say you know reach your protein macros really watch your carbs and eat your fat you know use fat as a lever and I maybe it depends on the person that doesn't work for me I will just say because I do test myself a lot I have a glucose meter blood glucose meter and I also have a ketosis meter and so I test myself because I just want to see you know what's happening when I eat certain things every single time I have enough fat or more I do amazing and every time I let it go down I don't so for my body I need that extra fat now maybe other people are different I don't know it's not extra fat I mean should be getting 65 70 percent of your calories from fat so there's a lot of fat right now that's know if you thought you how much fat today for someone my size I'm 150 pounds that would that amount of fat to be 70 percent of my calories on say 2,000 calories a day is only about two-thirds of a cup of olive oil it's not that much fat because there's no water in there well try drinking two thirds of a cup of olive oil yeah you wouldn't you wouldn't do it all at once you get it in the the meat that marrying you the cheese the butter the oil your MCT oh I'm a good 80% it's Drive I always but that's what people say is that oh you don't have to meet any target but I guess that's what I was trying to say is that when I kind of willy-nilly it and I'm not really tracking which a lot of times I don't honestly because the emotional connection to the tracking kind of drives me crazy so only do it when I'm doing experiments and testing but I notice that if I am at least 75 percent even leaning towards 85 percent that's the sweet spot for me some things are and the fat really high and then meeting my my protein that's a sweet spot for me so I guess you know everyone has to test see what works well that's a nuts gets back to the alcohol thing to it you know one of the good things about working in these labs is we can we can we we have a sort of unlimited access to test road ketones I'm very solid all the time but we actually turns out you know I can have a Guinness and it doesn't actually affect my ketones at all so but I I only drink one of those a year on my birthday but so backtalk called distilled spirits like a scotch is particularly good because it doesn't seem to budge ketones at all so scotch is not gonna knock you out people let's go out your - I'm not a scotch drinker but and again moderate vodka probably on its own it's what you mix it with it's gonna create the problems yes wine on the glass - day now that the the science from the many was it called the pretty mint pretty med study show that you can drink about 350 mils of wine a day without any adverse health effects if you're if your diet your exercise that's about a half a bottle each so it's a couple of glasses each so yeah if you're sharing a bottle black great test that we could have in the group just haha okay better 18 meters over there I will start drinking and we'll say every 30 minutes let's do a test ourselves and short show our numbers and just see where we're at that could be pretty fun actually yeah the other trick with with with with alcohol of course is alcohol impairs your judgment so that's why I don't encourage I get people to cut alcohol out entirely during the adaptation phase because if you have that one drink even though it's got only a little bit of carbs suddenly that you know piece of pizza that's it yeah and and so I encourage people to abstain but after the adaptation phase then I actually encourage people as long as there's no alcohol and alcoholism and their family and they're not operating a machinery or driving to to enjoy a glass of wine a day I think is really good and BC he's got some fantastic lines as does yeah so that has a question just drop it in now and I'm gonna read one that's here CJ asked how much MCT oil should we be having daily like is there a limit or anything like that with MCT oil again it depends there are five phases in the in the bio diet I encourage MCT oil for the first two steps the first week or actually set the second step is a week or so and start with a teaspoon a day now I've tried your MCT the intentionally bare and cito it's great and I what I love about your MC teo is its caprylic acid which is the c8 and if you're going to use an MCT oil you need c8 and there's nothing wrong with c10 or c12 but they're more anti-inflammatory and they have a coconutty flavor and so on which something I don't like but pure c8 is what you want because that converts a hundred percent into ketones in your system so that's the one you want and you're naturally bear product is is is I've looked at that I've tried it I just in fact I've got it in my I've got it my tea right now it makes it quite well now and has has no no scent and no flavor and you can put it in your protein shakes or whatever so it's great yeah and so so start with a teaspoon a day the reason that I say start with a little bit is is some people have some pretty dramatic intestinal reactions if you know what I'm talking about some really good stories in the group about yeah I wouldn't have liked a couple tablespoons fall and then go on an hour drive to work where there's no restaurants on the way I feel very very quickly adapt to that and so dr. Stephen Cunnane who you might have seen recently on CTV because he's doing the research on MCT oil exogenously MCT oil which is what we call it outside the body it's nothing for the ketones are exogenous they're from your food rather than from your liver they're produced naturally and and yassun so Steven Cunnane see you in an A&E Steven with the pH he's at university of sherbrooke and he studies MCT oil and its therapeutic benefits for people with mild cognitive impairment and alzheimer's and getting some amazing results there so so if using it as a therapeutic there the maximum there is is two tablespoons a day they do it in two separate doses two tablespoons all at once you probably have some issues in their study or you're saying we should only have two tablespoons a day or G we prefer their study that they were doing in their study they found that two tablespoons a day which is 30 mils a day was a limit for most people's tolerance and and again it's it's basically you know you yeah I don't see once you're used to it you can get more now in terms of the ketones in your system this is the this is the oil the the caprylic acid but in terms of your system if once your keto adapted you're producing fifty to a hundred grams a day from your liver from the from the conversion and so the exogenous ketones may or may not have a beneficial effect i still use them all the time anyway I put on my shakes when I go to the gym I finally have me a writer you know by the way the Navy SEALs use this they they use MCT oil plus butter in their coffee and those guys have to be super hyper you know situational awareness so it does open it brightens my brain a little bit which is why I had some before this interview today and then but I think it's kind of with a teaspoon and then see how that goes and then work your way up to a tablespoon a day and I say a maximum for most people would be but new tablespoons in two separate doses per day but it's almost I almost think of it like food it'd be like saying well how much butter should you have a day or how much you know whatever I think of it like a food so I want to get enough in because I want to get my fast plus the health benefits of MCT oil is so great but I don't know if CJ was meaning like you know should we strive for a certain amount you know in order to get the benefits cognitive wise and energy wise the ketosis wise are you just I'm gonna go with how us we talked about that two-thirds of a cup of oil so that it's a hundred percent oil it's a saturated yeah and so and if it converts a hundred percent into ketones in your system and the ketone is not just it's not it is a food it's it's kind of I hate the term but it's kind of super fuel for your brain and your heart they function much better it's much less inflammatory so so any of the MCT oil that you're eating it's like the best thing you can put in your system because it is a saturated fat that has and by the way the BHB beta hydroxy butyrate is a signaling hormone as well within the cells if there's all kinds of wonderful things in fact some of the effects of the BHB are similar to the effects of exercise because they up regulate something called ampk I'm kind of geeking out on you guys right now but mpk seems to be the molecule that is produced during exercise when you deplete your energy stores that has all those beneficial effects afterwards so so it's kind of like getting the benefits of exercise without exercising so once you've to do you ever do that do you ever combined the vhv and the MCT together like I don't know if you would do it like pre-workout or well as that so I've tried to BHB product as well and we were using that actually we were doing some hiking up in the up in the mountains in in Oregon and and so we had that in our drink and the reason I put that in our drink what I really really loved about that product is that it has a number of different salts in it so so so that kind of those are called ketone salts as opposed to the caprylic acid which converts 100% to ketones in your system the salts they have to be absorbed and metabolized so so it's it's a it's a less effective way to get in there but it but it helps but because you've combined it in that in that product with with magnesium and calcium I think and sodium and potassium you're getting and that's I was gonna say one of the the side effects that we talked about alleviating in in bio diet is the need for assault we have to actually upper salt and most people aren't getting enough magnesium and enough potassium so having that a combined with bhp in a salt is absolutely wonderful so I really recommend that as well I use that by the way when I go to the gym I use that and or one of the Vega products you know they have some pretty good real hydrators for the I just want the salts by getting a little bit of pH being with the salts and it tastes fine and it's it's why I would use that in the gym while I was working out - yeah oh that's carrot the I do too I know there's a lot of people in the group that use it what Cimmerian then sweetener stevia okay yes Steven Steve is fine um I'm not a big fan of sucralose I just find that it's chemically and I like its item is natural no none of our products would have anything like sucrose in it for sure wouldn't have that but no stevia is good and I actually find with that product like half dose I mean I tried doing the full wine and I was already like you know amped up on like normal key turns as it was and and my oil and everything and then I had a full dose I mean I was bouncing I would not in it not jittery or anything but I just mean like I didn't need it all I mean honestly a half a scoop was actually just more than enough and I felt really great just on half scoop so I usually tell people to start with that but yeah that's why I said - did you have a scoop yeah yeah and then I'm so actually near who's who's on right now he mixes all together he takes the bone broth powder and the MCT oil powder and the keto bhp and he puts them all together and that's like his favorite drink it's like fills him up give him protein you know give some energy he's just that's like his superfood he calls it a superfood so that's another way to do it gonna me okay I'm just gonna see if there's any other questions I'm so quiet today boy in the group I can get you guys to stop talking and now just looking through the notes you sent me - I think we've covered most of the things here I think so I could I could talk a little bit just to finish up about the cancer research that we're doing okay yeah I can't I can't you know talk specifically too much about the trial because it's mid phase but it's a three year trial to look at the therapeutic benefits of ketogenic diet like the biotite a well formulated ketogenic diet for women with therapeutic breast cancer so what we're doing this is at the BC Cancer Research Center terry fox lab with dr. jerry crystal we're doing the immunohistochemistry so we're by the way this is the most fantastic complete study I've ever been involved with and we're measuring everything we have digital pet scans we're doing blood draws we're actually doing tissue samples and we're working in collaboration with dr. Jeff who some of your listeners will be familiar with Jeff Bullock and Stephanie have been a pretty powerful team in this space for a long time wonderful guys super nice very supportive just got an amazing team of super bright people there at the Ohio State University and I've been down there a few times visiting with them and it's just what they've got going there is amazing so we're recruiting women from the Columbus Ohio area now I have to say there's a lot of misinformation and sort of over exaggeration about the benefits of ketogenic diets for cancer with with dr. christow we're pretty sure that a low carb or ketogenic diet low carbohydrate is is one of the best ways to prevent getting cancer in the first place and that's the best place to start is just don't get it very difficult to prove that but it's more easier to prove that you can have a therapeutic benefit so but first thing I'll say is it's absolutely not a cure for cancer okay it's not because the principle is fairly simple people go oh well then you know I'm starving the cells of glucose I'm starving them of insulin so the cancer will just go away now what we're doing is we're tipping the balance of power in favor of your immune systems ability to kill the cancer and by limiting that insulin and glucose supply but also the bhp itself and and what we've seen in our studies very preliminary studies is for those people that comply with a ketogenic diet they have a much more enhanced immune response when challenged with a viral or bacterial effect vector which is a proxy for a cancer cell so we're actually looking at the individual white blood cells and how they respond to a challenge so we're seeing that and and and you know I haven't had a sniffle for seven years since the first Obama administration age my immune system we'd aren't healthy and so that's one thing it's not a cure it works best with the standard of care whatever your physician is recommending so it's a good adjunct therapy as far as we can tell there's some preliminary studies of pancreatic cancer there's some pretty good results with GBH glioblastoma multiforme and we're looking now for study on breast cancer and so that I all I can say is the preliminary results are really promising in that we're seeing some decrease in tumor mass and and improvement health and by the way the women in our study are all stage 4 metastatic breast cancers so these are women that are that are basically the the medical system is said there's nothing more we can do to help you so even just seeing things moving back in the right direction for a lot of these women from a psychosocial perspective is so powerful and that also helped do so so really exciting because you know it just seems like all of the research is to do with pharmaceuticals and that's just all you ever hear and I didn't even realize that things like this for even being done right now I mean it's just I'm really happy about that because it's such a I'm not saying you know that people shouldn't take whatever treatment that they feel is right but to study from a food perspective and especially a ketogenic I just think why not do that too you know or place of or whatever you want to do but I didn't even know that funding and money was being put towards research like well I'm glad you mentioned that because funding is very challenging we're funded by the John and Lottie Hecht Foundation here in Vancouver to do that study with 20 women in the experimental side and 20 women in the control side over three years we feed them all their food noth-nothing three or studies three years but that's it's almost a million dollars it's really expensive to do more that the US and Canadian governments will not fund Studies on ketogenic nutrition because it's contrary to what they're recommending their government recommendation which are low fat high carb diets so we have to go to private sources fortunately there there are organizations that will fund our research but I don't know when you're looking at very reputable organizations like the BC Cancer Research Center one of the best research centers the well by the way BC has the best cancer outcomes in the world and Rockstar people there including dr. crystal and you look at the Ohio State University maybe the biggest university on the planet there's great people doing great research there but we still have to get private funding and this is one of the reasons why I'm advocating for changes to public policy the Australian Government the New Zealand government and the US government and they sorry I should say the Diabetes Association's in those countries are now just recognizing ketogenic diets is a low carb high fat diets as an option for a therapeutic for that so things are changing slowly but we really need that's I mean I am an advocate that's my role here in this in in in in the in the ecosystem and that's why I wrote bio diet is to open people's eyes I hope to get I'm not trying to make any money off this book it's cheap it's 20 bucks it's paperback it's 200 pages but I want to get into it cause I'm like yeah especially a decision makers so if any of your listeners know of you know get it to your physicians hands your your representative your political representation we got to start changing public policy and recognizing that food is a therapeutic to prevent and treat chronic disease think of the cost savings there if you look at a beauty salon in the US the the in the US as I told you three-quarters of Americans adults are overweight or obese half of American adults are either diabetic or pre-diabetic and those that are pre-diabetic half of those will become diabetic so and the cost of managing that disease over the 20 or 30 years of its course cost so much that that by 2030 the cost of just treating diabetes in the United States will be about eight hundred billion dollars a year which is what they're spending what the Pentagon spends this year so so the potentially bankrupt itself Jeff trying to treat diabetes or they'll just let people because they can't afford to do it which would be I said no savings most of people's eyes to just like you know get that weight off get your insulin regulated get your inflammation down through well formal a ketogenic diets like the like the bio diet for those it could save billions hundreds of billions absolutely I absolutely agree and I can't and I can't you know I just can't say enough about useless wheat it's like the opposite is when you're backing up a trailer you know it but anyways I can't shiny shiny stuff on there yeah we're in blue those are actually as your NARS dollars but I just like I said I just love it and I have so many areas that are earmarked because I keep going back to the same things again and I think even if you're a seasoned heat or and you've been doing it for a long time you get a few nuggets in here that you didn't see before just the way that they've explains it just as such easy-to-understand formulation and another thing too is you know what you call it what you call it I call it the keto cult and you just called it something you said the key um you know community unique universe something sounded very classy anyway I am I always call it the keto cult but you know when you're speaking to people and you're trying to tell them how great this is and all their hearing is oh my gosh all you're doing is eating fat or whatever this book give them this book because it's in layman's terms that they can understand and then maybe they'll come to your way of thinking you know kind of things so yeah what do two tables writing ability and and we have it we have another editor Linda person so it's actually it's a book as much written by women for women as it is by me and it was a great it was great team effort and the group at page two that helped us produce it they are wonderful too so I really thank you for for for helping us get the word out and and for for the great products that you're helping provide to people to help them through this process and if if people want to get a hold of me they can Dave at i/o Diet org and on the website they can order the book they can preview the book they can get some of the resources for the book and you can also contact either Dale or or made a lot at bio Diet org or Dave at bio Diet org so it might be David at bio diet or I should check bounces back is probably David bio diet and then I'll make sure I put this post just that people have a way of getting questions group and I don't want to take advantage for sure because we can be quite chatty in the group but if once in a while there happens to be a question that I think is very pertinent to your work and your book is that okay if I tag you and and you can you can absolutely tag me and listen I I love Kamloops and I go up there all the time I got some friends up there at the University and in the tech fact our website bio diet Orias hosted in Kamloops at the catalogs innovation there yet by a joint technologies chris bruins guard and his team up there they've been wonderful I say so if there's a group you want to get a group together I was happy to come up yeah no no I knew that yeah yeah because it's a short time me and if you want if there's a group if somebody wants get a group together and we can come up we'll bring some books with us I'd be happy to come up there well let me tell you I am actually gonna really think about that date because I just a short little but I went to my local health food store and I'm not going to say names or anything but they brought in someone to talk about keto I almost walked out I literally all it was all I could do not to walk out and I only stayed because there were a couple people there that I knew were getting the wrong information and I kind of knew them and I want to speak to them after I talked to the two general managers of the stores that I cannot believe how disappointed I am in this this is it was the worst talk ever by listening to this nobody would ever do the ketogenic diet and this person that presented was no offense to anybody but she was a vegetarian so not as easy right and she had never done the ketogenic diet so I would love to have sounds like you need to have some evidence basin that's actually knowledgeable that could talk to people so you know what let me my thinking cap on and see what I can get going but I was meeting in this group here if a question comes up sometimes what I know that you can answer it I'd be really helpful sure it's a great group you got going there I follow the conversations I pipe up there you know it's a while but I'm very happy to help out where I can you know like if all of this we can just prevent one woman from getting breast cancer that would that would be great that's what my mother died of breast cancer when I was young so I grew up with that so it's know if it just does that then I consider that success but any a thing I can do to help you help people I'd be happy to thank you thank you so much I really appreciate it Dave thanks so much for coming on and I don't see any other questions so we'll leave it at that and then we'll put the replay up and everything and you never no more questions my coming I'll take it thank you sure sounds great oh and I'll give you a copy of this - oh that'll be wonderful thank you okay awesome thanks Dave thanks everyone for coming okay hi

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Length: 81min 3sec (4863 seconds)

Published: Thu May 23 2019