Intermit.Tech #032 - QuinLED-Dig-Quad v3 introduction and first hook up

[Music] so [Music] hey guys welcome to a live stream again it's been a little bit and uh the extra 15 minutes are back i was uh prepared enough so here we are oh uh my microphone might be a bit hot [Music] let's see if this is better um yeah so welcome uh livestream and today we're going to look at something we're going to talk about in 15 minutes [Laughter] wait why is my chat out here oh broken what the how did how does chat suddenly disappear one moment while we deal with technical difficulties there is the chat i don't know it somehow disappeared off the screen it's back all is fine logged in 20 minutes early anticipating the 15 minute early start you seem to know me quite well richard campbell [Laughter] the chat has a 15 minute delay phillip that would be bad that's like youtube from the 1980s where they have to fly in the chat using pigeons or something what happened with your chia says irretardo um it's still happily farming it's not much going on there i need to silence my phone so uh yeah chia's chia's still going and it's going well and i'm i'm making some chia and uh yeah the storage boxes and those usb power distribution and stuff like that i set up for it still working excellent and uh well that was kind of the plan let's let's leave it farm for a couple of years so that's what's happening with chia not a lot interactively it's just going it's working it's fine it's good price of chia is pretty good too above what i expected it at this point i expect it to go higher in the future but uh yeah so uh yeah do you have the coke of the day it's vanilla yes coke of the day vanilla i guess i could open it now kind of thirsty let's do it now do you want to have the the coke opening cam no it's not in focus it's okay it's focused on the desk so well let's do it there we go what are you guys drinking let me know hey seon from the or the unexpected makers here welcome what time is it for you because here it's a well supposed it's supposed to be a quarter past nine in the evening but it's still three past nine chia is such a waste if they would integrate it with storej or something to store useful data but no it's just wasted space maybe but it has a very different purpose so if store j already exists with its purpose why then would you build exactly the same for a different purpose that wouldn't make sense no chia has its own purpose and it currently doesn't have a use except for being a blockchain and a currency but it will have a lot more uses in the future but that's all up to your own opinion and research i guess um storej has the the blockchain cloud storage functionality sure sure but um yeah it's something else so all good drinking good old water that's good too you need a lot of water a day so hey [Music] richard campbell says t it's only noon here cool okay so then you're in the u.s i think or somewhere around there it's like a cathedral stream echo what really are you getting echoes is anyone else having echoes or bad sound audio [Music] west coast of canada oh okay you really hope they store useful data on it would make a great decentralized beginning for the cloud no that's not what chia is about rita ritter white green whatever paper oh okay no echo okay thanks oh okay audio is fine nice okay so chia has a very different purpose than than storej or filecoin or any of the projects that are meant to store data it's not a project meant to store data yes it can do colored coins and chia lisp and all other kinds of stuff kind of like ethereum for instance um but in a sense it's more like uh bitcoin and ethereum than a cloud storage solution i mean it's something else it's i can't explain it differently audio good thank you your neighborhood is your whole neighborhood watching oh adam bryant is drinking gluten-free beer the music is a bit loud isn't it there we go the same pint i started three hours ago i hope you're getting that thing cooled i mean i don't drink beer but i hear warm beers kind of like the same thing as warm coke or warm warm red bull or something like that it's horrible google youtube can't do separate names what okay kelly anderson says thank you for all your work quinn leds are awesome and money savers i guess it depends on how you look at it but there are some protection features on there for sure that will save you uh some money and having to rebuy some stuff if if anything ever happens but uh yeah thanks sounds clear and perfectly nice oh i like that andrew i'm not gonna pronounce your last name heyquinor hey andrew yuck it's room temp now but too tired to care that's the guy with the warm beer what do you think about raptorium uh i've read about that that's the cryptocurrency that's uh favorable to mine on ryzen cpus right especially the ones with the large layer 3 cache i've read about it but i haven't really had time otherwise this introduction would actually have been a video but i didn't have enough time this week so it's now a live stream and i might cut it up to a video later we'll see um so yeah i haven't had time to look into that either but yeah oh this your neighborhood is mining rap nice i received a dig uno with ethernet and then two more esp and ether hats for your dr z cool andrew yeah the ethernet versions are very nice if you want to do christmas shows and stuff so anything real time works a lot better over ethernet than it does over wifi or something like that greetings from berlicom as always vor vanolus nice i like the vanilla coke i don't like it like standard i like it as well i drink a lot of uh coke zero i like it as like something else in a little while sometimes you know not all the time just once or twice a week maybe yeah and then only one can and you know cool well there's a lot of people gathering here i guess i should tell people on the discord i'm live um i guess let's see here copy link hey guys we're live come and join there we go bam so i've been running this new streaming pc and i think i streamed with it once before and i did a video with it and it's running windows 11 it's a ryzen 5900x and it's been it's been pretty good but i've had some weird hangs with it so if suddenly the video stops and i don't know i have to reboot just letting you guys know i'll be back um but yeah i mean last times it's been fine i'm i'm wondering maybe if i come back if i put it into standby and come back that it somehow bugged somehow but um yeah i don't know i i fresh booted it just to be sure this time so what is this moderation you speak of i don't know coke zero is the best thing that happened to coke and dental bills says ass asm brian yeah i bet it is i i i have some different reasons why i switched from normal coke to uh to to diet coke i guess uh and that's uh you know something to do with sugar but uh yeah did you install the newest chipset drives i did but that was two weeks ago so i maybe i should check if there's a new bios revision and maybe some new chip drivers again and maybe who knows that that'll solve it i don't think it's a hardware issue so because it's also a new build pc well i used it to plot gia before and then i rebuilt it into this streaming pc basically why can't you use the temperature sensor on the dig board with w led or or or there or there away okay you can but you have to compile a user mod because the support for it isn't in wled by default i mean i know the only right way to run wld is on a quinn led board of course but no reality is that there's thousands of way to run razorfront to run wld and using one of my boards is one of them so there is a user mod and in the past it could cause some led glitches and stuff like that so that's why i don't offer it pre-compiled but from what i've been hearing and reading nowadays it's pretty good and shouldn't introduce any led corruption but you'll have to compile wled yourself from source with that user mod in there basically and then you can use the sensor and send it over mqtt and stuff like that why gamora or windows 11 why not i have windows 11 on this pc and on two laptops and i'm actually loving it it's great i'm still waiting to switch my main desktop over partly because of the issue we're having on this one on my main desktop is also ryzen pc uh but other than that i've had a single issue with it it's running great i like the new menus a lot of stuff is improved from windows 10. i even like the new animations and how things look and you can customize the look and feel of everything a lot better than stupid black and windows 10 or and stuff like that if you haven't tried windows 11 i'd certainly give it a try i think it's a very nice upgrade it's my personal opinion but yeah oh yeah philip might ha phillip is right a serg might have one precompiled on his github that's a good one ben murray says can we get the v3 for holiday season yes what time is it ah it's still two minutes but yeah i'll i'll leave it yes and i'll answer more later but the answer is yes don't worry arun says hi quinner i'm a i'm i am your new fan oh okay now working on led lights in my house lots of work and knowledge required you and dr z is helping really well excellent great to hear that oh johnny bergdahl is here good evening ladies and gentlemen good evening johnny kde plasma all the way windows 11 was the cause i switched to manjaro okay sure sure i like i kind of i don't mind windows especially on the desktop all my servers and other stuff run linux but on my desktop adam iron man what pink is on now i i should have made the background leds pink do we where's my mouse do i have a pink palette is this more pink i guess a little bit now i'm going to leave it at this okay that's kind of much okay hold on there we go [Laughter] yeah sure i i get that the intrusion from microsoft can be a little bit um [Music] i don't know bothersome i i'd rather not have it in there either then again everything is tracking you nowadays google facebook's or whatever you use and yeah i don't know yeah sure tom but it's still an improvement are ethernet boards coming to dr z's yes they are we've had issues getting the esp32 required for the ethernet boards um but we got them in last week so they're currently in production and those will be appearing in the worldwide store soon although we still have a little bit of stock left there and at dr z's in in decent or at least the quantities i can facilitate but if you add the message gets lost really i've had that bug before and i really don't understand why that happens lost two messages so far wow okay i don't understand why only mods would be able to add me because i kind of like the highlight and you did do an at intermittent.tech right not an ad quindo or something like that dr z sold out last night well it depends how many did he list did he list 200 or 800 uh because let me let me check his website now the only boards dr z's currently has in is the dig quad with the external antenna and of those he still has uh 473 left now i don't think that'll last long either uh and he is getting more and i hope next week uh maybe the week after that depends on how shipping treats us uh we're currently shipping in multiple shipments to him um so yeah yeah he's still a squad damn okay i'll look into it again uh see on what's causing direct messages to get lost like that because i can i actually like those but i have no clue what's causing that i mean is that a setting somewhere well it's not uh research right now i guess yeah sure i i can see you andreas hoffman don't worry andy i can see you midstream can't type okay oh no are we oh we are over time okay well let's do the official stuff a little bit let's let me reposition in my chair put my coke somewhere safe because i always start swinging with my arms and let's refocus there we go so uh hi guys welcome to the livestream and today we're going to introduce a well not a new board i was going to say a new board but an updated board so for a while now we've had the quin led dig quad which is this guy uh and well i guess we need to focus a little bit closer up nope there we go this guy oh it's missing one fuse do i have one of those here yes there we go one fuse so this is a dig quad it's a four channel and secretly five channel in this revision which we've been used to for about a year now or a little less little slightly less than a year but still um because you have four led channels here and you have a q1r port here which is secretly your fifth led channel but the main things about it is it can handle at least 30 amps continuous using its input terminals and then has five fuses and seven output terminals so some of the terminals are shared as you can see here with the lines so one and two are shared and three or four shared so if you have edge connections or middle connections for power injection you can use those and you've been able to get these boards using either and i got some new packages in and i thought let's do an unboxing experience so you can do that either with a quin led esp32 a b and that stands for antenna board and that means that this little black thing is here because it has a board antenna on the esp32 and the rest is my custom esp32 module so next to that you can also get it with a ae so queen led esp32 ae or if you get a dig quad it would be a um queen led dig quad ae because the then the esp32 is included and this one doesn't have that black piece here because it's that well that's the board antenna and this has an external antenna so you get a little external antenna with it that you can plug in over here right and then there is a third variant since the beginning of this year and that's this guy let me unpack that too oh sorry this is the wrong one this one has a dig uno attached to it hold on let me check if i have one without it nope yes okay so let's uh forget that one so that's this guy and this is the queen led esp32 abe and ave stands for antenna board so it's the same as this guy but the only difference is let me just put the antenna here is that it has a ethernet hat basically on top of it so you can well hook up wired instead of using wireless and well those are the three variants of the current esp32s you can get these are all full esp32s no s2 c3 or whatever kind of variant they're the normal esp32 which is still the most powerful for most of the stuff they're all four megabyte variants but for wled usage which what what is i can't talk anymore what is it most let me get some coke i can't talk what it's mostly used for there we go um the four megabyte variant is fine an alternative firmware you can run this esp pixel stick but that's also fine with four megabytes so depending on your situation if you have fine wi-fi coverage you're mostly just gonna use the app to control the effects and stuff just get a normal variant it's also the cheapest if it's going to be in a more challenging situation wirelessly or you also want to do some real-time stuff and real so sending data to it from x lights or something like that often the external antenna version is the best choice and then if you're mainly going to be using it for real-time effects so x lights and christmas shows and stuff like that then the ethernet version is certainly a good step up because that makes that kind of scenario a whole lot better and each of these just basically fits on top of your quinn led the quad or dig uno for that matter this is a dig uno it's a lot smaller but it only has two channels and a whole lot less power injection and stuff like that and well uh you can even upgrade it later if you're like ah wait you know dutch is sneaking in damn it i'm more into into real-time effects now okay sure then you just put the ethernet version on top of it you don't have to replace the dig board and i know supplies are limited currently we're working on that to get them in plenty supply so you can always order a different version and then you can even upgrade an existing dig quad to an ethernet connected one for instance and you know especially if you have a few boards some where wireless range is fine you can use the board antenna and others you can switch it out for one with an external antenna uh that way there's always loads of options to to for the scenario you're working with basically now we were talking about the dig quad and of course the announcements for today are about the dig quad and that is that this has always been the v2 uh i think i'm not sure you can read it here but this has been the the v2 this is an r6b i believe i also have an r7 somewhere it doesn't matter um recently on live streams especially i've been showing you this guy and this guy was a prototype which has a few small changes versus the v2 now as you've probably seen from the title of this video this video is titled v3 so let's do a v3 unboxing experience and uh well let's take you know let's hook it up configure it and see how that works so this is the v3 and this is actually okay i took it out of the packaging to look at it myself first but this one hasn't been turned on yet and this is from the coke is coming back this is from the actual production run right so there are some notable changes especially if we compare it to the current or older version version now and the main changes are that the input terminals have been replaced from these three to being these beefy guys and then there's only two spots but you can hook up a lot thicker cables and you can also use crimped on connectors as i've shown in some live streams recently so will make connecting power to the board a lot easier because you can use a lot different kind of connectors and as i said those thicker wires and then one of the most notable other changes and i'm going to try and see if i can get that into focus that's pretty good if you look at the terminals here you see that they all have the this metal uh lip oh wait windows is telling me something i don't want this go away you see that it they all have this metal lip down here and especially if you had connectors with ferrules they sometimes were pretty hard to insert especially when you went up in wire gauges 18 gauge was mostly doable but 16 gauge really became a problem sometimes so all across all the boards so dig uno data booster and this and these dig quads etc we've changed to different terminals now that needed a lot of testing and finding terminals in large quantities without insane pricing or you know i have to order 100 000 at a go was quite difficult but i think we managed and as you can see here these terminals have a much well more even but especially if you push the little lip inside a little bit a much larger gap through which now a 16 gauge will much more with a ferrule will much more easily fit into the screw terminals than they they did on the old ones basically now those uh are the the main changes to the board as you can see there have been some layout updates and you know text moved over here but all the other features so four channel data channels over here a fifth data channel or a 5.1 volt real relay output over here the 5 volt ext function all of that stays the same and looking at the back it is mostly the same board but one of the notable changes there are some slight changes but one of the notable changes is that you see two ptc fuses over here that have been added for extra safety and some tracks have been redone and giving extra clearance and stuff like that and that is mainly to comply to more adher more regulation standards so ul csa ce and stuff like that now these boards still aren't certified as they are currently but if you're making a product and you want to use one of my boards in your product well uh let's talk because there's certainly options there um so yeah those are the main changes to the board they're not really spectacular in in a function wise but usability has certainly got up with the new screw terminals i think and um yeah i guess that's the main thing for usability those new screw terminals really make things easier so let me read chat for a little bit any zigbee boards no no i don't do zigbee boards the dig uno's uh in worldwide they are currently in stock uh because we got a new batch in and we're preparing shipments to dr zs so generally let's say that'll take another two weeks or so and then he'll have them in stock too about the hookup video he did an excellent video i was really happy with that and the shout out for the boards uh we'll talk about that resistor thing a little bit later maybe the coke is why you can't talk wait wrong kind of coke yeah well yeah [Laughter] yeah okay well philip has a good point there there should always be something there but the value however is a debate and it's actually sure it's a debate but it's situation dependent and that's the problem with it there isn't one value that is correct for all situations and no resistor is also not correct for all situations it might work great in some but it will certainly not work in others so that's kind of the problem with that thing and that's kind of why i introduced this guy let's unpack that too because this is a quin led data booster board and uh well one of the main features and it has multiple features is that there's a little switch here and as you can see it says 249 and 33 and you can switch between a 249 or 33 ohm resistor adapting basically to two scenarios and those have been scoped out and tested by me if you have a 10 meter or 32 feet data wire with a single data wire you want 249 ohm and if it's a combined wire so let's say 18 gauge dash 3 or it's parallel run of wires attached together at least ground and signal are very close together for all the way there then you want a 33 ohm resistor now i've looked into how to maybe integrate that into the boards uh that's not for this revision and i'm not sure if i ever can but i will look into it more so yeah anyway that's a side note about the data the data booster those are also in stock in worldwide and dr z's should have a batch of those listed on this website too those come with some accessories you get two fork style crimp connectors to um basically use here with these m3 size holes and then you get an m3 size screw with an m3 size oh no i'm doing it wrong way around the screw should be on the bottom there we go with an m3 size nut and then you can thread that together it's always fun doing stuff on live streams isn't it uh well anyway something like that and you can add the power on the back side using the fork terminal basically so kind of like that and you can even bend it a little bit so that it's parallel with the lines coming in and out but you don't have to use that that's an additional feature to do power injection without having to solder basically but yeah multiple function board for power injection or changing the resistor size and stuff like that there's the articles about all this stuff on my website of course and i think i have those linked in the description too anyway back to the dig quad i don't remember what i was saying but functionality wise it hasn't changed too much it's just usability improvements mostly now i've seen some people ask when will this be available these are available right now so the newest batch that was made that is currently at dr z's partly because some stuff is still on its way and available at the worldwide store is already the new v3 board so if you're buying now don't worry you will always get the new version or at least you know if you buy from the official sources there's always facebook marketplaces and others trying to sell you diy boards like i made them well i did make the designs but those should not be for resale those are diy for you to use yourself anyway uh comments i was reading comments oh nope flipped away again single capacitor yeah but it's a bigger capacitor and the boards are still 24 volt compatible so 5 volt 12 volt 24 volt all good both for main input terminals and for 5 volt ext and i've done testing of course and scoping and you know but using the big capacitor doesn't have any downsides to having the two capacitors like the older version because well there's also been some circuit changes and capacitor stuff like that so that the board doesn't brown out during a high spike and you know things like that that's the boards are all prepared for that ul is a headache i know two less ground terminals to the right yes that's correct yaakov before i had more space here oh that's one of the downsides i forgot to mention there's also downsides to this board two actually we'll get into that um one yeah you lose two ground terminals on the right side but since you have seven positive terminals and now you have five plus two which is also seven hey uh ground terminals i didn't think that was a sacrifice worth mentioning really before i just had the space so i added more terminals but yeah i think that's okay so there's two downside to this board and uh let's talk about the first one real quick the board had to grow ever so slightly i'm not gonna i'm not sure i can even show you on camera but the new board is a few millimeters wider and the screw terminals also had to move now i updated most of the articles on my website already but the dimension article has not been updated yet and i'll try and do that tonight or tomorrow but it's really minimal for most cases i don't think it'll actually matter but it it well it did it does have slightly different dimensions because otherwise i just couldn't fit these larger terminals the correct way basically now and i'm going to go to the face cam for uh for this part there are oh let me let me move my camera a little bit there is one other change and i've been really really fighting this change but i could no longer uh prevent it and that is that the boards have gotten a price range and i really don't like that and people on my discord i've talked to this about no i don't like it but the component shortage basically it's real i don't know what you've been hearing about it but yeah component short it is real and component prices what what anyway uh component prices have been raising for me on the back end too they have been doing so for months uh but things are getting kind of nuts uh like i use a buck converter on here and prices for that basically 10 folded the level shifters of which there are five on the board because there's five output channels those have got i believe three or four times gone up in price uh the new screw terminals cost a different amount not that much uh but there's all kinds of little components that have gone up in price even even the esp32s and you can check aliexpress oh wait i'm showing you the board but i'm not showing you on camera even esp32 the bare w room modules i use on my esp32 boards those have gone up in price and those have certainly gone up in minimum order quantity and um delivery times used to be a few weeks all fine currently we're looking at 12 to 13 weeks so we've been pairing we've been preparing for the christmas season for a long time already but we just weren't getting any esp32 modules and buck converters and linear regulators and yeah so in order to keep making a little bit of profit because you know i i gotta eat um i have raised the prices now don't worry it's not that much the uh a a b version so the version with um hold on the version with the antenna board used to be 37.50 and that has now gone up to 39.50 and that's purely well that's not even all the component increases i got on the back because that's actually more per board um but i don't want to calculate all of that through to you guys uh but it it it got to the point where it was either um stop making them or raise the price because you know yeah the dig uno will also get a price raise i'm not sure that's on the website already or not and even the little data booster will get a little bit of a price raise just to make it to make sure i can keep making them basically and you'll have to trust me and believe me on that i get that if you're not in the business of making things uh you you might not be aware of these things or you might not see so i invite you to check the prices of esp32 boards on aliexpress it used to be that if you bought one of mine they'd be slightly more expensive than the ones on there because those are massively bulk produced and stuff like that but currently those prices are rapidly going above what i charge for my stuff actually um yeah oh another thing that's totally effed and i think see on the unexpected maker can also chime in on that shipping is just shipping is broken shipping is completely kaput it's just um when i ship stuff to dr z's it's easily two to three times the price now than it was three four months ago and partly that is of course the season and you know christmas and you know but other than that it's just uh i i send packages and they're stuck at the airport for five days because there just aren't enough flights to take the packages with them because of kobe kovit and all kinds of other reasons so i'm seeing price raises on all kinds of fronts and i i really tried to stave it off and keep it away but i've i kind of felt um that i no longer had a choice and i i debated about this maybe stop making them for now but then again this situation i have no clue when this is going to improve it's currently only getting worse it's harder to get components components that used to be in stock by the hundreds of thousands are now just 16 weeks waiting time and then double the price yeah so it's not a lot it's about two bucks a board depending on which version you get and the big uno will probably be one to one and a half buck raise per board it's not that much in the overall scheme of things things but i do feel kind of bad about it if that's not obvious by now and philip sorry i i kind of missed your donation because i was rambling we still love your boards and the other kids aren't playing nice to me ah thanks man yeah so unexpected maker says shipping for me is four to five times the price and three to four times longer yeah exactly i mean and even even time is still money somehow because sometimes stuff just needs to be there at some point if you're waiting to gather 40 different components and you're waiting on one or two of them at some point you just have to pay extra to get it faster yeah uh yaakov says last week we paid 15k euro more for a shipping container from china than in june yeah it's it i mean mark says looking for an analog controller i heard about the and penta yes that is still being worked on the diy version still hoping to release that this year we're working out some last bugs in there and then i'm hoping to make a pre-assembled version of a board that basically does the same thing but it kind of has to be a redesign for manufacturing somewhere early next year oh dot style keep making the boards keep the boards alive we need them thanks man i appreciate that any change in the amount of leds you can drive uh what are those numbers for all the boards well there is an article for that that's going to be my answer to a lot of things but there is actually an article for that hold on let me get it for you what is the maximum amount of leds per controller there we go that's for uh kelly anderson as long as the dig boards don't take five months like my furniture no no it shouldn't take five months although currently we had plans to have plenty of stock in worldwide and at dr z's right now but well because of component shortage and delays and pricing and all kinds of other stuff that isn't done yet but it's almost done worldwide has plenty of the quad and big uno and data booster and we're trying our best to get stuff to dr z as soon as possible so you can buy there locally too and well you will get all the upgraded boards because uh also the big uno got the new screw terminals for instance and um yeah so improvements there too but those aren't really worth mentioning or a new revision really so yeah we need some diy project man yeah i'm working on that the aim penta is going to be a diy version so absolutely martin long says yeah we need them do it price is a relevant you know we know you're trying thanks i appreciate that let's see comments uh [Music] yeah everything is using digital logic right now that that's correct brian and so the strain on the supply chain is just insane oh endless says hope you keep it running money is only a passenger of course and i'm not my main reason for doing this isn't money most of you know that uh so but yeah i really don't like that i have to ask more money i'm just gonna hide myself in the corner there [Laughter] anyway what we're going to do this video is we're going to take this out of the box new dig quad that we just unboxed and we're going to hook it up see it works well i think i know it works we already did trial runs and stuff like that so anyway what kind of esp do you want on there do you want a board antenna esp do you want an external antenna esp or do you want to go full tier full tilt and go to the ethernet connected version magic smoke i don't know let's hope not [Laughter] vote says the prices are still reasonable thanks man i appreciate that and i also know that shipping from all net can be expensive if you're especially if you order one or two things if you order multiple things it rapidly gets cheaper per board that's why we also sell through dr z's and stuff like that you know ethernet so you can show how to enable that oh well okay ethernet ethernet ethernet ethernet ethernet ethernet ethernet external oh there's more externals okay ethernet okay okay okay sure ethernet is so then i take the ethernet esp32 but i don't plug it in yet because we have to wire this up now i have some leds here you know uh let me let me zoom out a little bit first no that's too much nope nope wrong buttons let's see if this is kind of in focus good enough because well we don't plug it in yet because if you receive your queen led esp no no no queen led dig quad abe you will get it like this so with the ethernet board on top of it the first thing you'll want to do well you can turn it on without anything connected but you want to see leds of course so the first thing you want to do is basically take this top board and pull it off so you can access these screw terminals because those are the data screw terminals now i'm going to make my life easier i'm going to borrow some some pigtail wires from here one moment because this was the prototype but we're going to use the real thing now and we're going to configure it from scratch now this isn't a perfect analog to how you would receive the boards because if you receive the boards there we go they will be pre-flashed with a firmware that is already ethernet enabled and has some or all of the outputs configured in this case because i'm using a new esp32 abe board and a dig quad it it'll have wled on there but not configured so we'll do flashing and stuff like that too so it's really a fresh start and you know it's a live stream so i shouldn't do this but let's see if we can put the newest beta version on there and see if things explode who knows so i'm just opening these terminals if people are wondering this is a xiaomi wow stick and especially for terminals like this it's excellent okay so i'm adding some of these uh pigtails that uh for data for positive and for negative most of you will know this but red is often positive green with digital leds is mostly the data wire and then white is the negative okay let's do a second one now you might notice that i'm using terminals 1 here and terminal 3. the reason for that is is that terminal 1 and 2 are shared by a fuse and two or three and four are shared by a fuse and in this case i well i kind of don't want that so that's why i just use the other terminals now let me screw these down real quick so uh let's see last one because i'm we're gonna uh oh wait wait no that's it i was gonna say we're gonna hook up three led strips we are but one of them is going to be one of the load bars i made in one of the previous live stream remember these so we're going to hook up that one to you but that one has its own separate wires so and i mean i even like these new terminals because they're easier to use i mean i heard your cries all along it's just hard to find decent terminals that have the right ratings and the right certifications and colors and openings and it took me months to find this supplier so yeah okay and then i thought it'd be fun i have two types of led strip here i have ws2812b and i have ws2812e and this is basically the eco variant that is also these are all btf you can see that btf lighting yes using affiliate links is always very much appreciated doesn't cost you anything but it does help me out okay so now we've connected all the wires the next step we can take is putting the esp on the board and especially in a day quad you can see the first one that lines up and then just push it in and that's it it's in no worries um okay let's move this bar out of the way a little bit and oh connecting oh that's not good seems the power injection wires are exposed on this one since i used it before at some point let me snip those off because i don't want to do a short circuit now this stream isn't going to do the perfect power injection this is just going to hook them up using a standard jst connector that's ok ish for 5 meter 300 leds depends on what you're going to do with it if you want to drive them at high output levels you should inject 5 volt leds at the front and at the back but for simplistic sake we're not going to do that right now so if you hook up 10 meters like this in a single string you'd hook up front middle and then well you know middle and then the back of this one too so every five meters it needs a connection front and back uh but that's for five volt leds uh but that's not really the purpose of this stream right now okay so i don't remember which one was which now i don't think i can see actually oh wait i actually got 30 leds per meter and 60 leds per meter as you can see here the oh the b is 30 leds per meter and the e is 60 leds per meter okay oh that's good to know anyway let's hook that up and i chose these strips because they're all kind of different uh to show you all different scenarios and how to configure that in wld in a minute so we're hooking this up and we're hooking that one up and that's pretty easy we're not going to do power injection stuff like that now i've already plugged this in we're going to i'm going to pull it off again because as i said i don't know which firm well i do know which firmware is on here currently but it's not configured anyway so i thought let's make this extra exciting and install the newest current wled beta because i believe one was released um yesterday or the day before actually right let me prepare that a little bit [Music] let's see if it's on there it's not on air damn it okay well we can upgrade to it later uh chrome okay it's too big there you should now be seeing a nice chrome window let's go to uh 1304 13 b4 and let's take my board has ethernet because well my board has ethernet and i've had trouble sometime using this tool that i might have to push the the button but let's see what happens okay so i basically just hooked it up to usb and now i'm hitting install it gives me a pop-up that you can't see but i just select my serial port ah there we go no button needed erasing device oh damn it thanks phillip didn't see that in time ah okay well we'll flash it again don't worry let's let's wait for it and then flash it again oh martin long says i bought the screwdriver a couple of weeks ago good stuff get it yeah for on bench stuff it's pretty good for these type of screw terminals if you have bigger screw terminals using a screwdriver is still better but for lots of small terminals like this is excellent have you had experience of bad adhesive on the btf strip not so much it's been okay and if i really want it to stick i i mostly put some hot glue at some points so johnny has a wow stick be cool be like me okay so it flashed but we're going to close this site and now we're going to use this one and we're going to take my board as ethernet again because we wanted the newest beta beta so let's just you know flash it again oh okay uh install w led please uh yes that's fine cool erasing this will take two minutes interesting and this looks good no no we had the b4 before before earlier b4 anyway and this is the b5 you bought some bts strips all the way from china hopefully same quality all the bts strips are from china don't don't worry if you buy them through amazon you're getting 100 the same strip they just ask you more uh more uh oh wait wait wait wait andreas anyway uh yes uh the new input terminals will i think they'll even take 10 gauge or 8 gauge if you can get the spade connector in there or the fork connector you're fine the output terminals are still kind of the same in size it'll accept 16 gauge easier now but i don't know if you'll get much bigger in there maybe 14 gauge with squishing the ferrule a little bit and stuff like that but uh yeah but the idea is that you're now gonna have two big input cables and then lots of smaller output cables basically oh amazon price is more than doubled if not tripled oh wow oh terry miller okay not sure what's going on terry if you're running the data wire next to the ground wire did you flip the data boosters or do you have a data booster right behind the d quad and then flip it to the 33 install complete nice oh wait it's asking me to configure network okay well let's do this uh okay that's fine connect that's cool okay well it says it's well i guess it's connected over wi-fi now huh yeah it is okay so we're now connected to w led over wi-fi but we kind of want to use it over ethernet because we have this ethernet port here so what we can do we go to configure and then wi-fi setup and then down here we can select ethernet type and you select the queen led esp32 and you hit save and connect and well that'll enable the ethernet port but then of course i also need an ethernet cable so let's do that and there we go blinky blinky oh let me try and show you there we go we have blinking ethernet so if i now check my router logs i can see that it got an ip on my local network let me go there and there we go we now have wled connected over ethernet so using the ethernet version is really simple you either connect to it over wi-fi or either connected to your network or as an access point and then you go to wi-fi settings you select queen led esp 32 ethernet version and that's it ethernet becomes active and you can access it and you got 100 signal strength that's always good okay so let's turn this off because we're still connected to usb uh let's put it on the board and make sure to line up the pins so that you're not one pin off basically but it should be pretty pretty easily only goes in well i guess it goes in multiple ways but don't don't try that uh and then we need power well i have a power supply here let me dig it out uh there's all kind of crap here as a power supply we're going to be using a 5 volt power supply because your power supply let me let me do this on the face cam the voltage of your power supply always needs to match the voltage of your leds so in this case we're using sk 6812 and two types of ws2812b those are all five volt leds so you need to have a five volt power supply if you have 12 volt leds you need a 12 volt power supply and if you have 24 volt leds like i did a recent video on you need a 24 volt power supply now there is an exception if you're using a 24 volt power supply and then 5 volt buck inverters later down the line you can use a 24 volt power supply with 5 volt leds but the board isn't going to do that for you you need external buck converters that are actually bigger than the board to do that so power vault voltage in is always voltage out wait my chat died there we go okay are we still live my all my youtube pages died can anyone tell me if i'm live what's going on huh the stats don't show a hiccup yes still live live okay all my youtube pages i had opened just suddenly frozen died stream is fine ping i blame philip yes okay anyway as i was saying power supply voltage needs to match your led voltage the only thing the board does it boards kind of selfish it only takes care of itself so the board can handle 5 volt to 24 volt no problem uh but yeah you need to match the voltage of your leds connected so anyway right um power supply uh so i'm using this uh let me show you guys this behemoth from meanwhile and this is a uhp 505 and that can do 80 amps at 5 volt now that's an insane amount and it's more than i'd actually recommend running through the board um but you know we've been testing with it and it's an excellent power supply kind of expensive that one power supply is about 100 bucks but it is a 500 or 400 watt power supply that is passively cooled so kind of see why it's worth the price and it has an active pc and it's an awesome power supply okay let's let's move this ethernet cable out of the way while we you know add the power cables so the terminals now don't have a color anymore but the positions are the same this is positive this is negative don't reverse it well actually you can reverse it nothing should happen because there's protection circuits for that but that's still rather you did oh uh andy i just caught your question by chance yes if you want to replace one of the fuses on here with a 10 amp version those are standard car ato size style fuses don't try to buy the cheap chinese crap because they use aluminium and the good ones use i believe zinc so unless that's listed don't buy them and then yes you're allowed to you go up to 10 amps for a single fuse socket and or for a single terminal i don't recommend using a 15 amp fuse in one of these few sockets you can on the dig uno but i don't recommend on here the official specifications then also should be taken into account in total you're allowed to run 30 amps continuous up to 50 amps peak now as we've tested in recent live streams especially this version these all come in two oz and even the the prototype version with one oz was easily able to handle 40 amps continuous so your mind is may vary there i'll i'll basically guarantee it'll do 30 amps continuous and that's even been tested in hot chambers for eight hours straight and you know what kind of things in reality it'll likely run much more um because the design is able to handle that but you know i have to set the specifications somewhere okay so as i said larger screw terminals are easier with a screwdriver so yeah that i have an adm power supply doesn't mean you're allowed to run 80 amps through the board that's just so i can test it now these are 12 gauge wires and these were made during a live stream where i showed how not to crimp ferrules and how to crimp ferrules these are how not to cram ferrules because you shouldn't be seeing this wire here but we did so so we could test voltage drop and other things and this is how it should look no wires visible and a little bit of wire visible here at the crimping point basically so you just separate them like that and insert them into the terminal now these are fully shielded terminals so no worries about hitting something behind it or something like that that should be no problem okay so again positive goes here so now making sure you have enough input wire into the dig quad to not get too much voltage drop there because that's actually a real thing it's pretty easy especially with these 12 gauge wires which are silicone silicone wire you can find these on the equipment page that is also linked in the in the video description yeah i like those a lot yeah you can use ring terminals but those are often bulkier [Music] i like the fork style better myself right so now we have the led bar connected here on led led3 or port three and then we have the ws2812b which are 50 or 30 leds per meter so 150 and then we have the ws2812 e which are 60 leds per meter or 300 in total so let's turn the board on i can find a socket for that okay let's see if it explodes no it does not regarding power leds there is a power led on the dig board over here that'll show you if the dig board is getting power and then there's a power led on the esp32 module and there's a power led on the um ethernet module top hat basically too okay uh well actually we're really already getting pretty good success because these leds have turned orange that means those are likely on port or led channel one because that is gpo16 and that is actually the default in wled nowadays so if we go to the wld page over here we should actually already yeah we can change the color yeah that works great so let's go to configure and configure this mishmash of leds we have over here so if we go to led preferences we'll leave this alone for now we said okay gpo16 which is led channel 1 has 150 leds then we have a second channel which is also ws28x and that has 300 leds and on a dig quad that is gpao3 now how do i know it's gp03 if you let me open that real quick one second there we go if you go to queen led dot info and you go to digitally adjustable leds and over there you have the dig quad and all its articles one of the articles is a pin out guide if you click on the pinout guide you see that led1 led 2 led3 and ld4 has dpo 16 dp03 gpo1 and gp04 if you're using an esp32 so going back to wled we see that the first one is indeed 16 then we have three that have 300 leds connected and then we also need gpao1 which actually has sk6812 and it has 144 so let's save that real quick and if you look at the table you see it's actually working but it's very dim now the reason for that is that the brightness limiter is still on now you could go to the trouble of actually calculating that but in our case we're just going to turn it off oh and immediately the leds are less dim and now we should be able to let me try and show you the bar too see if it's on screen yes we should be able to change the colors of all of them let me show you over here and all of them should change at the same time cool so that's a very basic configuration of a dig quad there we go but still we have 150 leds here we have 300 leds here and 144 leds here all running through a d quad and that looks fine let's see if we can do an effect basically uh i like the paletti effect for instance yeah that's working great but then now all of these are acting like they're one big led string and well likely in this scenario you wouldn't want that because well this more looks like three led strings than one but let's check the chat a little bit because i've been ignoring it fork versus round which one do you prefer well as i said i i prefer the four terminals i so much like these new big terminals thanks jaco how much how many times have you shocked yourself not that much are you using two power supplies no no i'm just using one really big power supply yeah jaco is right check the the does cable size matter for leds video it's quite quite yes [Laughter] more copper can handle more amps without getting a voltage drop because of wire resistance exactly that's exactly how it works preferred color for power leds is purple yeah i'm dutch i'm using orange and it's you know wled orange if it's working it's orange it's good don't forget the brightness never dirt yes yes uh you can connect multiple led strips to one data channel generally two will work fine often three will work fine but more than that they're basically sapping away too much power from the level shifters and then you can get issues once your ethernet is up can you remove the ssid details that's a good question um i don't know let's check wi-fi setup so this is still in here so let's remove that um and it's safe let's see what happens okay came back oh wait no wi-fi set up so this is now empty yeah i'd say so cool looking at a diy mega tree can i use your product to drive it sure yeah especially a day quad should be able to drive a mega tree no problem that video scared me away from using 22 gauge for power injection yeah it really depends how much power you need but then the power injection livestream will tell you how to calculate that or at least approximate that and uh yeah sure you can leave the ssid in there for if ethernet doesn't work on the other side it should fall back to broadcast broadcasting the wla w led ap ii so will 16 gauge handle 10 amps right trying to power 43.2 watts per meter 144 led strip and six tips so we'll need six 16 gauges that will depend entirely on the length of the cable if it's uh like one meter or so probably if it's 10 meters per cable likely not how far can i run the board from the first led it kind of depends on your situation but generally up to let's say 32 feet or 10 meters should be realizable um yes should be doable basically but the shorter you can make it for the data run the better generally sure vasu you're welcome um so anyway as i was saying this is currently one big effect that's cool but we kind of don't want that so let's go to the segment tab here and we see that segment 0 is 0 to 594 but we know that these leds are 150 leds so let's change that to 150 i'm not sure that actually works that way but let's try it apply and i don't think it does it that way there anyway let's let's continue and add a segment from 150 to 450 because the second segment this one has 300 leds and then we add another segment and that's the rest of them because that's actually 144 leds so that's correct okay and let's tick these open and let's turn this one off and this one off and now anything we do because we have this one selected here should uh do so on this strip only the beta 5 is auto segmenting i haven't been playing with these betas enough it does needs to reboot okay oh andreas is here get some orange cables man also hey chad will the big power terminals come to the diy version of the of the dig quad yes uh downside is the bigger board size because that'll actually make the pcb slightly more expensive but i am planning on diyfying basically this version back to diy again it'll lose some features because those are all in my custom circuitry which i can't really make in diy but i'm thinking of moving the custom terminals with it so yeah checking led preferences there's a checkbox for it okay i don't see it start reversed skip off refresh ah make a segment for each output that is cool okay let's uh let's undo what i just did see uh i don't know goodbye segment goodbye segment uh 500 something i don't remember there we go okay now everything is color looping [Laughter] and let's go here um where was it again make a segment for each output right save back segments yeah that's probably not gonna work because i already made segments huh okay i don't oh maybe you have to reboot let's reboot reboot does the dig quad support four buttons which is now supported in wld uh yes in theory it should you have the q1 to q4 and the button pin uh um so in theory you could do that i think right oh cool so we rebooted and now we do indeed have three segments which correspond to ma to our three outputs so let's have the first one selected and let's make that i don't know pinkish and then let's select the second one and let's make that bluish and then let's select the third one and make that uh i don't know greenish well it was already green yellowish yeah that works cool so now it makes segments based on the output channels you have that's cool when counting leds in v12 strip v12 or 12 volt strip were where the leds are grouped by three is that counted as one or three leds each segment is one led because it's basically one intelligent chip so you address it as one and three leds will change at the same time so if you have 60 leds per meter and thus 300 leds you enter 100 leds orange yes well i don't have great orange right now but let's do some different effects i don't know let's do bpm on the bar here oh yeah and then let's go to segments and let's deselect this one and reselect that one and let's do bouncing balls or no that's that's boring uh this one uh boring too yes nice and then let's deselect this one and select that one and let's do fireworks 1d cool so now we have three led strips connected three different types actually 150 leds 300 leds rgb wsk sk6812 they are all 5 volt and they're all doing their own thing over ethernet on a single board hey it's kind of why i created the board but uh andy has to head out okay thanks for hanging andy joe says if i'm powering 20 meters of 12 volt sk 6812 and siri series should i use multiple data outputs for them well let's let's calculate that real quick if you have 20 meters and each meter has 60 leds that's 1200 leds normally if you have 1200 leds and are each single adjustable yes you'd want to split that over two data outputs because you kind of want to stick around 600 leds per data output but since it's 12 volt you have to divide them by three and now it's 400 addressable segments 400 adjustable segments falls below that 600 mark so you're fine running that on a single data output hope that makes sense pue anytime soon yes or rather uh no or rather yes or rather both because there's an article that says can you run leds over pue and that's also a live stream which shows you if you can run leds over pue and or how you can run this setup with standby power over pue or actually as a main power so using a little external adapter which will always be cheaper than if i integrate it into here you can already run pue right now phil is here looks like we're almost done still more to cover i got here late well there's always the secret you know is is there going to be a secret i don't know do you know i think philip knows [Laughter] if you have the older the quad board can we purchase the ethernet board to put on top that it depends if you have a v2 yes that will work excellently no problems if you have a diy or a v1 that has some limitations but you're probably gonna guess it there is an article about that and it's called ethernet compatibility article and there we talk about the esp32 ethernet compatibility with uh the the v2 ethernet or what go away microsoft popups with the older boards uh like the diy designs and the v2 or the v1 or diy dig quad so there are some limitations there because of pin out changes and stuff like that but there is certainly still combinations that it'll work fine with so check that article oh i guess i'll throw that into the chat too nope that's not what i want yes gentle benevolent the cost to basically design implement and manufacture it into this board i'd have to ask 20 bucks for it let's say if i'm going to sell it 20 bucks above the current price of 15 for just the esp32 of ethernet you know so suddenly it's not 15 bucks but okay let's say it's 40 bucks okay um currently you can buy an external pue splitter with a usbc plug or just wires you can use for the five volt ext function for 5 bucks that outputs 5 volt or 12 volt which is either fine for the 5 volt ext function using the current board so i can't build it for 5 bucks and then it's also kind of a niche product so it's going to be more it's going to be expensive to manufacture and design so yeah that's basically the reason i'm not designing and building it there's already a better solution out there using a mass-produced pue splitter that costs you five or ten bucks so yeah that's basically it i mean there's usb-c versions with which you can run you know if you just want to run an e my esp32 board with ethernet for another project and use some of the pins you use a pue splitter with usbc done it's pue enabled uh for five for five bucks i can't compete about i can't compete with that with a custom design i mean sure it might be slightly more integrated but that's it so yeah that's basically yeah oh hey rob from the hookup is here poe seems pretty niche exactly and things only work if mass produced basically so uh yeah any zigbee plants i do not have any zigbee plants uh personally my whole home is hooked together on wi-fi i don't i don't think i use any zigbee i might in the future but you know um so no currently no zigbee plans oh nick says works great i power my four quad boards with pue in 5 volt or the ext power and psu for my led so you use pue also for the leds or you have a big power supply with a relay that you can then automatically switch on and off while the board stays on using pue power basically yes i'm using the psu converters from the ahsp project meanwhile rm okay that convert 240 volt to 5 volt for my 5 volt exe setup much cheaper yeah that's also fine that's why i designed the board to be able to take 5 volt 12 volt or 24 volt on the main input but also for the pre-assembled versions on the 5 volt ext input which can now also be 5 volt 12 volt or 24 volt independent of the main input so you can get a cheap phone charger or whatever to keep the board online while you switch off the big power supply for the leds with a relay also connected to the board that's why these terminals are here to save on power when the leds are off and then automatically get turned on when the leds are on again yeah rob now that i'm talking to you directly thank you very much for all the shout outs in your video it was an excellent video and well you know thank you very much i lost a mouse so uh kind of the goal we set out to do in this video was unbox a new v3d quad hook it up with the esp module of choice which became ethernet then flash it with the new wled13b5 using the new flashing page and then sending up ws2812b 150 leds ws2812e 300 leds and then sk6812 rgbw 144 leds all on different outputs well we basically did all that and it's working great using auto segmenting even with a new feature where if you configure the led outputs it creates a segment for you that's so awesome johnny says perfect timing now that we're gonna talk about the data resistor ah well let me let me get my article because i worked a long time on that article to explain it correctly there we go so i have an article on my website uh basically the the the issue is that if you run your data signal next to ground there is a and i always forget a there we go i always call it a capacitance effect but it is a transmission line effect of having ground so close to your data signal that you have to have either no or a low value resistor so 33 ohm and such and if you're not running your data wire right next to ground for the whole way there you basically have to use a higher value resistor to otherwise prevent corruption of the data signal you kind of always want a resistor in your data signal that's just signal integrity wise that if there is any type of ringing on your signal line the resistor will dampen that over time where having no resistor well it would basically be allowed to ring and could cause its own problems that's not guaranteed to happen but that's general practice for single ended transmission line signals which these are i also have some some scope graphs here if you use a separate cable using the 249 after 10 meter at the data port it looks like this and then after 10 meters of data wire it looks like this so it's still a clean signal but then if you use ground next to the same cable you see that basically the ground is taking away energy from the the initial spike of the data signal which then causes the data signal to fail over distance and you can fix that by going from a 249 resistor to a 33 ohm resistor or basically using no resistor because that'll have the same effect except then you don't have any ringing on that single and the data signal so i get what rob is saying that in his case it's always worked using no resistor but having a resistor in there is common practice for single-ended data signals that's basically the reason why you do it for anti-ringing and to make sure you also don't overload the data port or gpio pin or level shift or whatever that is actually sending the data signal because without a resistor there's basically no limit of the amount of current that can be drawn from from that data port or gpa or whatever and with a resistor it kind of current limits in there too but that's a secondary purpose the main purpose is anti-ring but yeah let me let me reach out oh andy is looking for 10 amp fuses uh the ones i'm looking for says 32 volts yes a fuse is always rated up to a certain voltage so if the fuse is rated for up to 32 volts you're safe to use that with 5 volt 12 volts and 24 volts for instance so that should be perfectly fine the hookup says what does it look like on the led when they need a resistor but don't have it well basically you'll you'll see these oh you'll i don't want that go away you'll see these spikes but they'll be a lot higher because there's nothing limiting the initial spike going to the led now generally it will handle that fine but it's just about signal integrity and how clean the signal is basically oh people answered the fuse already sorry ah what it looked like on the led yeah so i've done tests if you have 10 meters of data wire and you put a and you have ground next to it using the 249 resistor won't work you'll see perfect corruption basically switching it to 33 ohm perfect data signal now doing the reverse having 10 meters of data wire not having ground next to it so not a three wire cable but two wire plus a data cable you'll have a perfect signal and led using the 249 resistor but not using 33 ohm resistor or no resistor basically so that's basically the problem also where why there's no golden value but philip has been doing a lot of testing and he shared that on the discord server already which will be another article maybe even a video in the future basically showing what scenario would require what resistor because it changes with ground there or not there cable lengths and stuff like that and that's the problem it's situation dependent so there is no perfect resistor value i chose to based on testing but yeah it would be nice if the dig quad and dig uno came with extra fuses even if you charge us a bit more we want more flexibility i could ask my supplier to maybe make resistor packs available in this in the shop they'd be our resistor fuse packs available in the shop with 5 amp 10 amp and 15 amp fuses in them but they would be the same high quality fuses because the fuses i use on my board are official little fuse fuses which have a data sheet and ratings and all kinds of stuff so they're very high quality fuses because i want them to actually do their work instead of chinese cheap crap that'll just keep going forever and until every everything burns down basically um but yeah i can look into making some additional packs available you could just click into your order basically yeah the data booster boards those are basically the idea of those is to kind of solve this issue if you're using three wire cable flick it to 33 and that should work fine if you're using two wire cable plus a data wire flick it to 249 and then it should work fine but i get it's an additional cost and it's an additional board and you already bought this board so i get the problem um and i wish i had a different solution right now i'm hoping maybe at some point i can integrate it into the board the sneak preview from today will have partly to do with that actually um and we're getting up there yeah it's already late enough um but right now the data booster is a great solution for that if you don't want because rob showed some great solutions in his video too if you're suffering from this issue because you're using three wire cable like x connector ray wu cable or whatever you know bridging those points to the output terminal so you basically bypass the resistor or just getting a blob of solder in your soldering iron flicking the resistor off and then just making a bridge out of it that will perfectly solve it that's also in my article and even in my article i have oh okay there we go i have um diagrams here which have the board layout and it they show you the resistor where they are and which to replace and with what type to replace it if you want to or as i said just get a bowl of solder flick it off make a bridge or use a piece of wire like rob showed you those are all fine solutions if you can solder the data booster board is mainly intended for people who can't or don't want to solder but still suffer from this problem because they have a long cable or maybe two long cables and then for those outputs they can use the board flick the switch and that will also solve the problem for them basically that's also basically why i'm selling these boards at cost there's no profit involved there at all so yeah oh wasn't able to make the solar bridge work well one time it actually shorted out to the ground plane what why okay that sucks well okay uh okay in theory you should be able to do that uh but yeah my advice if if you have a soldering iron just get a blob of solder going then you can basically bridge both pads at the same time flick the resistor off and then either put a little piece of wire there or uh make a solder bowl basically over the two pads and in theory that should work fine but yeah pablo says i had a lot of problems with two data wires next to each other had one five wire cable for power and three wire cable for data yeah okay if you're running three data wires for a long distance in the same cable uh yeah that would not be advisable mixing data and power works for me if the the v1 quad yeah sure oh okay it's interesting rob i'm not sure what would short the ground then because yeah there's no ground there i don't know sure catch you later up anyway uh well it's too bad he's gone because as i said i'm gonna round off the stream today and i had something prepared or round off for today and i guess i put it away ah here it is okay i showed this before but it's one revision more uh one revision better now and that's this little board now this little board is something that will become more important in the future and let me zoom into that nope focus yes so this is and it's a mouthful the quin led esp32 ae plus and in you can get it or you will be able to get it in multiple versions and this is something which will probably be released beginning of next year something like that and it has a touch sensor so this will actually be a button in the future currently the wmw led implementation i tested with wasn't working yet but in theory the circuit is working because i tested it with an arduino sketch so it has a touch button on top and then it has ir which means it has an infrared receiver right there so you can use uh little infrared remotes like this one you can get really cheap for like one or two bucks and you can use infrared to control your queen led dig board and then it has a microphone so on here it has a digital you i guess you can see it it has a digital microphone built in with a little microphone hole right here i guess i need to put it on the table there's the microphone hole which then you can install the sound reactive fork of wled and well your leds will dance to sound but we're not done yet mike there's one thing more there's actually two things more it has an sd card slot so you can pop in a micro sd card over here like that and that will be connected to the esp32 now wled currently doesn't have any functionality for that but the newest versions of the esp pixel stick firmware which is also a popular firmware to drive leds using real time either using ethernet which works fine with my boards or a new functionality that is currently coming out is that you can store your sequence files from x lights on the micro sd card and then only the synchronization and timing is done over the network signal so then suddenly it's no problem anymore that this is wi-fi only because all the led data will stream locally from this little micro sd card right so that will be interesting will be an interesting alternative to the lan version or the ethernet version basically kind of doing it a different way but in both cases they should be good ways to drive uh props and stuff like that and then this is really the last feature of this board is one more thing again it has three additional data outputs so there you can see these three terminals here those are all individual data channels so if you remove the ethernet board here this is all still prototype okay just give me some time but yeah prototype and i insert this board correctly there we go so it replaces the esp32 stack it's a new variant of my esp32 stack you can only get it or you will only be able to get it with the external antenna because it kind of blocks the extra the the board antenna and you won't be able to get it with the ethernet either because it basically takes the place of the ethernet hat but now you have four data channels in the blue terminals one data channel here if you're not using a relay or a three volt relay so that's five data channels and then there's an additional three data channels on top here so now the queen led dig quad is an eight channel controller hey and you might need to do some extra power distribution or something like that externally because you know if you have a data channels you might probably you probably want more terminals too it's not going to be the dig octo because that name is reserved and i'm not going to say why no this hat will not be sold by itself it will always be together with an esp32 for the same reasons as the ethernet version also always comes attached and that is because you need the longer pins basically and well i i can't make it without it and if you have a normal version with the short pins well you can't really make that a long pin version basically so yeah um what will happen is that there will be variants so this variant has everything but i will probably make a variant that has touch infrared and microphone and then i'll make a variant that has touch sd and the extra outputs and then i'll make a variant which has all of that and you know the variance that doesn't don't have all of that will be cheaper to make so yeah no no nicholas we're not going there sorry sorry don't don't never mind i didn't say anything about that it's it's plans in my head that i have written down but i don't know if it's ever going to happen so no dig octo no no no no no dick octo is not coming anytime soon at all [Laughter] you're gonna put some people out of business what about differential signaling for long distance singles um i don't know what you're talking about okay can we leave it at that just don't mention more things [Laughter] yes esp32 will drive eight data channels no problem so yeah uh that is the sneak preview for today this already looks cool it doesn't work fully yet and there's little some little changes in troubleshooting things i want to make but the sd card is working the infrared is working the digital microphone is working the extra output channels are working the touch button is a wled software issue i think but there's some slight revisions i want to make to it and at the soonest it'll be somewhere next year but it will be again available as an upgrade for your current boards so if you have a dig uno well i mean um there we go if you have a dig uno and you plop this on top of there there we go bam now you have a five channel controller oh i forgot and the problem currently with the boards and the channels on there if you use three wire cable is that they have those two 49 resistors so what i'm going to do with this board is the three data channels on here will have 33 ohm resistors so you'll have a mix of 249 ohm channels 249 on channels on all of the boards and 33 ohm channels on the extra add-on board basically and especially if you're then going to use this for christmas lighting or anything else where you're using three wire cable you don't have to bother with booster boards or resistor changes or anything like that these will always have 33 ohm resistors so yeah micro quad yes well actually micro cinco i don't know what's five yes yeah the sd card slot is directly inspired on using the esp pixel stick firmware together with x lights because then you can store the f sequence files on the sd card and esp pixel stick can play those as a as a slave unit to a master fpp server which then only does timing and synchronization control which is fine to do over wireless and all the pixel data will come from the sd card locally so no network traffic goodbye falcon well i don't know about that but yeah i mean the esp32 still has its limits it's not able to drive an unlimited amount of pixels so keep that in mind but uh yeah if you have multiple props or whatever you want to hook up with separate data cables and stuff like that yeah what's your purpose for the touchpad most buttons are like a bit away from the controller thinking of the case and such i don't know my purpose for the touch button was i have space let's do something with it that's really you can ask andy and and phillip phillips still here i think that's literally how this came to be can i fit it on there yes i think i can let's do it [Laughter] hey mako oh unexpected maker gotta run folks thanks for the stream printer have a great week on everyone you to see on two analog rgb strips on a queen led quad with the x3 no no these are still digital led channels no analog there oh right there is actually um not sure i want to mention this i guess in theory i haven't tested it yet but in theory this board or stack will work on the upcoming and penta and then you'd have five analog led channels together with three digital led channels but yeah let's not go there for now i don't know i can see it in my screen and we're in one hour and 45 minutes let's make it two hours and i think we will have had a pretty good live stream so any questions about either anything i've showed you or leds or stuff like that i mean we talked about a lot of stuff we talked about ethernet we talked about peewee we talked about the new v3 dig quad and is there a dig quad diy yes but it's uh basically the v1 design i will be working on an updated version of that including the new screw terminals and stuff like that but i'm not sure when that's going to be done because i've been swamped so what are the pins for you mean the long pins the long pins are basically there so uh hold on so these are two boards stacked together if i pull them apart which i don't advise you can see that this esp module has long pins instead of the normal short pins right and that enables me to make additional add-on boards that you can stack on top now you can ask me why then don't you sell all of the esp's with the long pins well you can ask andy from my discord server sadly he's not here anymore because it's way too easy to touch those pins and then stuff bricks which happened to his board for instance during some testing i asked him to do so i kind of feel bad about that but yeah when will the deca plus be available the deca plus is a cancelled project but most of the stuff that was in there will be in the am penta project you can check the website says i missed live stream tune in just now are there any improvements for the dig quad v3 compared to the v2 yes but there is also a revision article on the website which will you know show you those changes and there's new pictures in the uh the pre-assembled page but basically we now have four terminals and we have improved output terminals those are the main things you should take away from this which make the board easier to use basically in rob's video on the hookup he shows changing dick quads to 10 amp fuses instead of 5 amp can you explain why you use 5 amp and why he might have needed up his fuses yes so it depends what we're talking about if you're talking about a if you're talking power injection you often have a edge connection so at the beginning or the end of an led strip or you can have a middle connection where two led strips come together now five amp is most often enough for that especially if you're using 12 volt but it can sometimes need more so if you for instance want to run two edge injections on terminal 1 and 2 replacing that with a 10 ohm 10 amp fuse is advisable or if you want to run a middle connection using one screw terminal and one fuse socket probably upgrading that especially if using 5 volt leds to a 10m fuse again is advisable but for normal injections most often a 5 amp fuse is enough but they're pretty easy to change out so i have to choose a value to deliver it with so yeah is there a diy package with all the components included so i can solder myself no i use aliexpress links if i have my supplier make a package with all the components uh the the diy kit would basically become the same price as the pre-assembled version and i kind of yeah i kind of don't see the use of that i then rather keep it a diy project where people can source their own components from wherever they want to and maybe use some affiliate links from aliexpress um yeah what i'm not sure what chris is talking about okay will dig to go be available this year i tried i really tried uh but i think that's going to be a no um i i've been trying to get that board out for a while it's it's it's been really frustrating if i'm honest um i i'm working on it together with my partner in china as fast as i can but it's just a lot of work including certifications and all kinds of other stuff it's a great board technically it works great it's all developed and it's done uh there's just other hurdles preventing it right now including esp32 shortages and stuff like that so we're working on it and we might actually make a batch soon um and i've been thinking about maybe an alternative release plan without a case and stuff like that i've talked about that before in the other video um but i don't know i just don't know this this stuff i have much more in my own hands and i publish and release it when i think it's done uh the other dig to go has some collaboration in there with my partner and it's just a lot more work with a lot more things involved including regulations and case and custom molding and investments and stuff like that so that's why it's taking a lot longer but i'll get that out as soon as i can because well a it's a great board i actually used it not last week and the weekend before that because it's so easy to just take the board use bc led strip done it works um but yeah and the second thing i'm kind of afraid of someone copying the idea basically they'll have some circuit development to do but it's not impossible if i can do it someone else can do it too so yeah i hope that will be soon yeah your boards are too popular dr z is just out of stock too much congratulations thanks yes jim we're currently in the restocking round it took a little while there will all be the new versions and the upgraded terminals and stuff like that most of the stuff is now out of production so my people from all net they're working their their asses off trying to get it all tested flashed and shipped and then it's stuck at the airport for a week because of dhl and other crap but yeah it's coming and it's coming soon uh in theory everything should still be available in november from dr z's and currently already from the worldwide store if you can't wait uh but yeah it will be there it will be there oh it's 201 i talk too much okay i'm gonna round off this live stream i hope everyone enjoyed themselves i might make this into a a cut up version for some of the sections i'm not sure yet but other than that as always i thank you very very much for watching commenting and hanging out with me playing with leds that's always fun i i for me it's always fun at least and i hope to see you guys on the discord server if you're not there yet but otherwise in the in the next video in the comments section and such things so bye bye all right i'll tell you the truth [Music] [Music] remember all the happy times be very much remember all the happy times very much all right i'll tell you the truth [Music] so [Music] so [Music] [Music] you

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Id: zdsHXWYeBg4

Length: 125min 2sec (7502 seconds)

Published: Fri Nov 19 2021