Inside Sources — June 27th , 2024

cents per gallon here's Ricky M we have a crashfree commute on your Valley freeways but we're in the final cleanup stages of an earlier accident 90th South just to the side of 40th West start your summer drive with a new auto loan from Cypress Credit Union and enjoy competitive rates and flexible terms visit cypruscu.com or ask for Cyprus at the dealership Ricky me in the KSL traffic center there's a 50% chance of thunderstorms today and these could be severe in eastern Utah cooler and drier tomorrow with highs getting close to 100 again on Sunday and right now 88 de partly cloudy I'm Dan bomas from the KSL common Spirit Health Studios listen online at KSL News radio.com where Utah's News traffic and weather station inside sources inside sources America's voice of reason boydd mat on Utah's home for elevated comp ation inside sources on KSL News radio well tonight will be a unique to debate CNN's presidential debate between the two leading presidential candidates and of course we know that both the current president and the former president have been preparing getting ready doing debate prep for the big night on the stage at CNN tonight tonight of course we'll simal cast that here on KSL News radio the headlines are about what they're preparing we're going to spend the next 30 minutes talking about what you should be doing to better prepare for tonight's debate let's begin think you know the news of the day think again with Boyd mat on KSL News radio well it is debate night in the United States of America and we are 5 hours and 55 minutes away I know that because CNN who is hosting the presidential debate tonight is telling me so they have a countdown clock we're actually down to 5 hours 54 minutes and 39 seconds and there's a lot of hype there's a lot of focus in terms of what each of the candidates may or may not do what the gaffs might be or what the big challenging firework moment is going to be and we want to get past all of that I don't know that any of that is helpful I don't know if any of that is instructive I don't think any of that moves anything forward because what we're really doing here is one form and one component of what is a long interview process to be in the highest position in the land when it comes to uh governing and politics so we're going to spend the next 30 minutes going through two components to this one we'll look at the questions that need to be asked tonight and what that's going to shape up to be that's going to be a big test and a big challenge for the moderators then coming up at 120 we're actually going to go back to a conversation I had yesterday with Adam Phillips talking about a lens that we should look at this CNN presidential debate through in other words what we the people should be doing for our debate prep so that we can actually glean something that matters out of all of the moments that won't matter over the course of the 90minut debate tonight so let's dive into all of that and what we're going to do is we're going to turn to some of the friends of our show who've also been thinking about what we should be asking these candidates for president of the United States based on their areas of expertise so first we're going to go to Victoria guda uh from Politico and she goes to the economy questions so these are some questions you ought to be thinking about are we getting answer to these and I'll caution you at the outset question or answers that are sweeping generalities don't count as answers to questions those are talking points those are bullet points those are sound bites so as you listen to these questions about the economy think about what specific would you like to hear relating to that particular question so here's a few when it comes to the economy Americans are citing housing costs as a top consideration about who they'll vote for in this election so the question how will you influence impact or increase the supply of affordable housing you could dig down a little further and you could ask former president Trump you've criticized the US Central Bank the Federal Reserve for interest rate decisions those are fair questions those are important questions President Biden you've previously suggested that the FED should focus more on racial Equity should there be reforms to the Federal Reserve based on that those are good questions I think one question that they will at least get in and around but will they get to the spe specifics will be the question the 2017 tax cuts are set to expire at the end of this year you've both advocated extending at least some of them but you've also both talked about the dangers of the growing national debt so the question is is it a good idea to decrease how much revenue the government is taking in by trillions of dollars and also talk about how worried you are about the national debt those are some good questions as it relates to the economy if we turn to our friend at Reen veronique duruji uh she has a great series of questions about that very thing the debt crisis here's a here's one of her questions a serious president must commit to talking about this issue by examining every Federal program and agency eliminating redundancies and developing appropriate responsibilities to State and local levels more importantly we need a thorough review of entitlement programs so as you listen to the answer to that kind of question tonight will it be sweeping generalities or will it be specifics in terms of waste Fraud and Abuse entitlement program reform we know that's a big driver of the national debt both sides don't want to deal with it but if we don't you can't have a serious conversation and you can't say you're giving a serious answer if you're not addressing it so will anyone show political courage and actually address it or will both of these candidates be too afraid of who they might offend or what group will take their answer and use it in a political attack ad in the fall and it will be one of those throwing Grandma off the cliff or one of those cutting Social Security so and so doesn't like old people are they too afraid of that to have a real conversation our friend Frederick Hess from AI has some great questions on education uh one of those really interesting since the pandemic chronic absenteeism has skyrocketed in K through 12 schooling uh last year Across the Nation more than a quarter of students missed four or more weeks weeks of school are you concerned about it as president what should schools parents and the public officials do to address it there could be a whole segment on the effects of smartphones and social media on youth well-being mental health and academic performance I think that's a fair question and again will the candidates talk very high level bullet point stuff or will they say this is what I'm for this is why this is what we intend to do uh president Trump former president Trump of course has called for abolishing the Department of Education explain that what would that entail what does that mean for federal aid for students with special needs or schools that are serving lowincome students P grants for lower income College goers explain it that's a fair thing when President Biden ran in 2020 he said uh that he was spurred to run by the ugly ugliness of white supremacism anti-semitic uh configration of that had transpired on the University of Virginia campus uh and now we look at what's going on on college campuses and the very slow response of President Biden in the administration does it still trouble him why or why not what would you do or what wouldn't you do there's a whole host of foreign policy questions that I would love for these two candidates to get serious and get specific you can say you're serious about something you can say you're going to work night and day you're say you're going to fight tooth and nail I don't want to hear any of the platitudes tonight talk about the difference in Ukraine policy talk about how your approach to the Middle East is different or how it will lead to peace in the region lasting peace let's talk about the differences between real immigration policy and real border policy and real engagement with Mexico what does that look like what does that mean we know Iran's one of the biggest threats to us interest in the Middle East how you going to approach and deter Iran all fair questions all good questions that we ought to get to and then if we turn to our friend George Will from The Washington Post he has a few questions for both the candidates I think they're most helpful they actually relate to the consequ the Constitution both President Biden and president Trump uh seem to be impatient with the Constitution Mr will wrote they both seem very willing to do things with a pen and an executive order when Congress doesn't do what they like or doesn't spend the money that they hope to give away or simply use where they want to those are all great questions uh what else in the Constitution uh causes you some heartburn or what will you be willing to do uh things like the Supreme Court uh whether that's stopping President Biden from relieving student debt whether it's dealing with the former president pres and a whole host of things that we'll probably see from the Supreme Court next week the Constitutional questions are going to matter tonight I want to listen to some specifics around that so all of these things are crucial components to make tonight's CNN presidential debate worthy of a debate now there seems to be a lot of interest in the country 60% of Americans say they are interested and intend to watch I think they'll only watch if in the first few moments of the debate it proves watchable and it proves meaningful so we're going to stay with the conversation on how you should be doing your debate prep so that you can make sure that the moments that matter actually do matter and actually have specific meeting not generalities and talking points and zingers that actually gets us to something that is worthy of a presidential debate we'll be right [Music] back think again on inside sources with Boyd mat we're just hours away I feel inspired the first debate for America's top job we're going to have great success I think we're going to have a tremendous election get full coverage and Analysis from the Utah voices you trust to be fair and listen to the CNN presidential debate tonight at 7 Simon live here on KSL News radio are you willing to do something today that'll change every tomorrow for the rest of your life that's a big question for us uh to me that was a big thing when it came to my soda weight loss Journey soda stands for state-of-the-art S OA state-of-the-art weight loss because that's what it is it's based on science it's based on helping you get where you want and need to go getting rid of the Cravings get riding the bad habits of emotional eating working with my soda nutritionist I lost 37 lbs in 90 days and I'm telling you it's changed not only every today but every tomorrow every day since for over two and a half years now I've been 37 pounds down and it makes all the difference in the world I always say when it comes to your sort of weight loss Journey there's no time to lose only time to win so start winning today your Healthy tomorrow starts today make the decision today that will change every day for the rest of your life it starts with soda weight loss state-of-the-art weight loss start it today at soaa Weight Loss trail mix beef jerky mixing all the soda flavors at the gas station soda machine snacks are better on the road the gas is better when it's top tier and the pit stop is better when there's a dinosaur there love the filler moments at a Sinclair Gas Station near you with Dino care or top tier gasoline some sweet and salty snacks for the commute and a big green dino For The Memories find a gas station near you at Sinclair oil.com Sinclair fill up your Life 3 days only Friday Saturday Sunday save thousands on hot tubs and swim Spas it's a major manufacturers liquidation of hundreds of in stock Spas Utah State Fair Park Hot Tubs discounted 40 to 80% to the lowest possible price starting at $29.99 free professional delivery take possession tomorrow next week next month or next season the hot tub and Swim Spa sale Utah State Fair Park shop over a dozen models of swim spots from 11 ft to over 19 ft swim SP Spas offer low impact exercise Active Family Fund unsurpassed relaxation and installation in one day the hot tub and Swim Spa sale Everything Must Go free parking free admission you can't afford to miss this it's a major manufacturers liquidation of hundreds of in stock Spas Friday noon to 8:00 p.m. Saturday 10: a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Sunday 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. the hot tub and swimspa sale Utah State Fair Park visit hot tub and swimspa sale.com a fiduciary has the regulatory obligation to put your best interest first tra and wealth is a financial fiduciary for your Investments with trade and wealth the more you make the more we make our interests are aligned most other financial advisers are Brokers held to a lesser standard and are paid an upfront commission to sell you something call trade and wealth 801 8997 600 that's 801 8997 advisory services offered through tra and wealth LLC and SEC registered invest advisor the best things in life they come in twos two scoops of ice cream two tacos and now for a limited time get our best deal of the Year buy any phone when you switch to Consumer Cellular and get 2 months of service free that's right the same fast reliable Nationwide coverage as big Wireless now with 2 months free proof the best things in life really do come in twos visit consumercellular.com or call 1888 Freedom second and third month of monthly based service be wave for new customers with the purchase of a phone and activation by July 31st 2024 taxes fees and third party charges will apply see website for additional details Lowe's knows owning a project means owning the right tools and during Craftsman days you can save big on what you need from a brand you trust get a free select v20 tool when you buy a select battery two pack plus get your choice of the v20 string trimmer or leaf blower for only $99 find these savings and more today Lowe's NOS Home Improvement valid through 710 W Supplies last selection vares by location Cedar City bran head is full of things you love from the Shakespeare Festival to hiking biking ATV trails and more get to know you in Utah plan today at visit Cedar city.com with the three things you need to know this hour I'm Dan bomas first a wet winter means the Great Salt Lake was Rising this spring but it's been dropping this summer second a Supreme Court decision has undone years of work negotiating compensation for victims of opioid abuse and third four police vehicles were damaged in a Chase going the wrong way on I80 88° partly cloudy in Salt Lake City and back to inside sources on KSL News radio Boyd mat divides rage from reason on inside sources we're staying with the question in the conversation as it relates to CNN's presidential debate tonight you missed the s first segment of the show we talked about some of our friends who regularly come on the show who are experts in a wide range of topics uh and what questions they wanted to hear answered by both of the candidates tonight we'll see which ones actually get asked we'll see if we just get uh talking points and little zingers or whether we get some specifics in terms of the real issues of the day and how we're going to go about that now I want to encourage everyone who's listening to engage with this CNN presidential debate a little bit differently I want you to approach it from a context as a Civic pluralist now you might ask what that is what that actually means and so I'm actually going to go back to a conversation I had yesterday with Adam Phillips from Interfaith America he wrote a fantastic article uh at Interfaith America discussing how we do that what it means to be a Civic pluralist and I asked Adam for to First describ the concept what inspired him to really take this approach to the debate tonight and here's what had to say it's a unique way to think about this uh upcoming debate uh and I but I think it's an important way to think about the debate especially in this very divisive uh election season where there's just a lot of dissatisfaction and frustration um but when we think about those that are tuning in tomorrow maybe they're even undecided voters you know we imagine they're looking for some substance rather than just posturing or or sort of the the quintessential partisan ranker and atth America you know we're the nation's largest Interfaith organization we the principles of Civic pluralism as the answers to our nation's divisions truly in the hope of co-creating a more perfect union we we we think diversity is a treasure we think that faith is a bridge we all uh you know come at these questions um from our own perspectives our own ways of thinking through how we vote how we we might worship how we might pray how we just live our lives in the Public Square and so that's how we're thinking about this um this debate how to how to Think Through maybe five questions to consider even uh as a Civic pluralist yeah let's let's dive into those because I think this is uh this is brilliant and this is why we turn to Interfaith America because this is a different way to look at it and so let's go through some of the themes that you laid out in terms of things we could be listening for as we listen to the answers again not just the zingers not just the punching bag stuff uh but the things that could actually give us a better indication of who can lead who can unite who can help take that diversity uh both in terms of the plural ISM of the Civics and also the faith to be a bridge to a better future yeah I mean you know no matter who's running the country who's leading the country whether it's uh reelecting President Biden or another election of of President Trump or any presidential candidate they they they they've got to think through this in terms of the Bedrock fundamental principles of what it looks like to lead an American democracy and Civic pluralism is is is a marker of that it's it's it's a Hallmark of our nearly 250e tradition uh as a as a multi-ethnic uh democracy here in uh in the United States so you know becoming a Civ pluralist is truly about you know who we are as Americans and it's not about abandoning political convictions or involvement it's about embracing our values and beliefs without compromising them so we all you know whether whether you're a supporter of one way or the other we we are inviting people to think through five themes uh around the debate tomorrow um and and and truly in the election season that's I think kicking off in Earnest this summer U one of the things we're or questions we're we're asking folks to consider is is around identity is identity discussed as a source of Pride or exploitation so during the debate um you know do do the candidates genuinely acknowledge and celebrate the diversity of identities in America or do they exploit them as political tools pluralists uh don't exploit they they they emphasize the importance of respecting and valuing our identities yeah um another question we're we're asking people think through is is Faith referred to as a bridge or divide at at Interfaith America we're committed to this this kind of Bedrock principle that faith is a bridge uh and so we're asking folks to pay attention to how candidates discuss religious traditions and their impact on public life yeah um another third question is are nation's institutions built up or demeaned yeah institutions keep this country running in so many ways uh in our in our public life and so we asking folks to consider how candidates discuss the strength and integrity of democratic institutions such as the Judiciary Congress the electoral process these these things that we sometimes take for granted that come up every four years knowing that democracy is built on the the strength of our institutions 365 days a year I want you to pause there for a second because I want to unpack a couple of these before we get to the final two because I think I think these are so interconnected and I think this whole idea of identity and faith and seeing that as a dimension of diversity helping people bring their whole authentic self into the Public Square from both Faith tradition from background from lived experience all of those things uh that Oneness is not sameness in the country and it's part of what makes us incredibly strong and then the trust in the institutions I think is so vital I think it's one of the things I worry most about in our constitutional republic is when we we've lost trust in a lot of the politicians and the leaders which then starts to bleed over into to the loss of trust in the institutions whether that's the courts or congress uh but even other institutions whether it's religious institutions or uh organizations of businesses and the community uh but ultimately we start losing trust in one another uh and I think how candidates talk about that uh really matters uh whether they're just undermining that trust in the institution with kind of a grievance mentality as opposed to how do we strengthen them and and and move them all forward uh and so let's look at those last two areas that that you're hoping that people will listen to and some some framework for that yeah and I think these are some of the most important things to think about tomorrow um and that and that's the idea around cooperation you know we we might vote a certain way uh come November 5th and we want to encourage people to get out and vote uh we see uh our democracy and and and our electoral processes as something almost sacred yeah um not in the religious sense but in the sense of this these sacred values as Americans that we've we've we fought for and defended and and promoted for the for nearly 250 years so is is cooperation emphasized over division uh at the end of the day we we've got to come back together and and be Bridge Builders of course want to have a robust policy debate about the the future of the country uh around some really core important issues uh but at the end of the day how can we cooperate and so we're asking folks to think uh and look to see you know how does candidates tomorrow night on CNN emphasize that are they emphasizing cooperation or are they emphasizing Division and then finally um this idea that I've been talking about around diversity um is diversity described as a treasure or is it described as a threat and a Civic pluralist perspective views diversity really as a source of strength and Innovation that enriches society and promotes understanding among different groups so pay attention to how these C the candidates tomorrow night portray the changing demographics in the country and what opportunities it brings yeah this is fantastic stff Adam Phillips is the chief strategy officer and chief of staff at Interfaith America uh and again I'm sure you didn't get up this morning saying I wonder how I can be a Civic pluralist as I watch the presidential debate tomorrow but we all should be thinking about it because it is that Civic pluralist approach I think that can actually transcend a lot of the divisions that we have and actually lead us towards that more perfect union Adam thanks so much for joining us today fantastic stuff we look forward to having you back to continue the conversation that's my conversation with Adam Phillips from Interfaith America and approaching it tonight so again the candidates have done their debate prep for tonight's CNN presidential debate the bigger question is have you done yours and how will you listen will you listen across the surface where you listen with for just kind of the regular stuff that we've been served up horribly over the last decade or two when it comes to presidential debates or are we going to listen differently could you listen as a Civic pluralist when it comes to Identity and faith and the institutions and having trust and confidence in them cooperation the Integrity of compromise and diversity there's a host of things that we can get to in the context of good policy we can have those big disagreements and we can have the roing debate that's all good it's how we do it and more important it's how we listen if we're just watching it like a NASCAR race waiting for the crash because that'll be cool and fun and make for great social media Med tomorrow we've really lost our way it's up to us to do our debate prep hope you do yours we'll be back right here on inside source stick around it's 1:30 at KSL News radio I'm Dan bomas KSL's top story this hour vendors trying to save the Redwood Drive-in swap meat were delt a blow at last tonight's West Valley Planning Commission meeting it voted 4 to2 in favor of proceeding with a rezone uh that will allow homes to be built on the property supporters believe there's still hope as the final decision now rests in the hands of the city council our top National story this hour from ABC news we're learning new details about the murders of five people in North Las Vegas this week police say it started as a fight between Eric Adams and his his ex-girlfriend here's ABC's Alex Stone he got a gun and shot his ex-girlfriend's 24-year-old daughter and the daughter's 22- year-old girlfriend then when a neighbor came by to check on them he was shot and killed Adams allegedly went to that neighbor's upstairs apartment and shot the neighbors 59-year-old grandmother 40-year-old mother and 13-year-old sister Alex Stone ABC news and police say Adams killed himself once he was tracked down and coming up it look for uh thunderstorm already raining in parts of Southern Utah that's next KSL news on 131 here's a way to get breaking news updates anywhere you go at the store or in a work meeting you can get breaking news on your phone you can quickly read it swipe or click for more it's super discreet super fast that's the app for KSL News radio emergency someone on line saying they kidna my son on September mber 12th 1995 McKay Everett disappeared from his home in conro Texas there was no sign of four stany it was just as if McKay had walked out of his own free will and to this day McKay's mother pette feels that Justice was never truly served Ransom is available now listen at Ransom podcast.com or wherever you get your podcasts discover the best of senior living at Trio Oram and Trio South Ogden today's older adults aren't wrapping up their life's journey they're seeking a new one and Trio Independent Living is here to help them do just that with a smart modern and connected lifestyle residents cultivate relationships and maximize Independence through signature programs like Prime fit Wellness that bring living well and well-being to life Welcome to the New Age of Senior Living schedule your visit at leisure care.com Utah today life hack number seven get an iPhone 12 on Straight Talk life hack here's how it works you walk into Walmart go to the electronic section ask for iPhone 12 with 5G and a dual camera system and select the new silver Unlimited Plan they'll smile cuz it's a good plan you get real unlimited data all for just $20 a month for the whole first year get it at Walmart or straighttalk.com Straight Talk less dollars more cents taxes and fees apply requires activation of iPhone 12 on a new silver unlimited planner higher and autopay enrollment $25 a month service credit applied for up to 12 months of eligibility requirements are met for Network management practices visit straightalk.com I'm kareim Abdul Jabar I learned about atrial fibrillation the hard way my symptoms would come and go shortness of breath fatigue I kept going then I got so light-headed I couldn't my doctor said I have apib so I'm about five times more likely to have a stroke other symptoms irregular heartbeat heart racing chest pain can come and go but the risk of stroke stays if you have symptoms tell a doctor visit no time to wait.com sponsored by Bristol my squib and fizer we have some exciting news to announce Master electrical service has joined Mountain Home Services and I can speak from experience Deb Mountain Home Services installed my furnace years ago and it's been amazing and we know Master electrical service has been your trusted source for all your electrical needs like your EV Chargers your generators and recess lighting but now that they've joined Mountain Home Services they can help you with your HVAC you know you're Heating in air as well as your plumbing and it comes with that upfront pricing guarantee I love The Upfront pricing guarantee because it means no hidden fees 100% satisfaction guarantee as well Master electrical service has been the name you trust since 1954 they're the company we trust and so can you check them out now at Mountainhome utah.com that's Mountainhome utah.com or give them a call at 81543 2222 so easy to remember 81543 2222 traffic and weather together brought to you by S 's Dino pay apps save up to 20 cents per gallon here's Ricky me just hearing coming over the scanners there could be a possible medical situation in traffic Northbound I-15 between the North Temple area and 6 North so far traffic is still moving along very well and a crash in Sandy State Street at 104th South experience for you banking today at your local zans bank branch or visit zionsbank.com for you to learn more a division of zans Bank Corporation na a member FDIC Ricky me in the KSL traffic center there's a 50% chance of thunderstorms today and these could be severe in eastern Utah cooler and drier tomorrow with highs getting close to 100 again on Sunday right now 87 Dees and partly cloudy I'm Dan bomas from the KSL common Spirit Health Studios listen online at KSL newws radio.com where Utah's News traffic and weather station inside sources inside sources America's voice of reason Boyd mat on Utah's home for elevated conversation inside sources on KSL News radio we often reference the fact that one of the very few jobs of Congress that is outlined in the Constitution one of the few things are required to do is to actually run fund the government I know it's a radical thing and it has to be done every year and as we often point out September 30th comes every single year and yet Congress has gotten so good at kicking the can down the road doing things by continuing resolution well it appears that there are a few things moving uh they may not have a snowballs chance in Guam of being signed into law or being done but we want to get into what is happening because this will be part of the conversation tonight on CNN's presidential debate between the current president and the former president uh neither of which have that has had a Congress that has done their job as outlined in the constitution on time done the Appropriations bills and then delivered them to the president to sign into law before September 30th really thrilled to have back on the program with us Jacob bogage who's the Congressional economics correspondent for the Washington Post and Jacob welcome back to the show hey it's always good to be with you so uh Great Piece as always talking about what's happening on the house side uh they're at least talking about doing their job uh with three of the major funding bills uh again I think it's kind of snowballs chance in Guam the way they're being laid out that'll actually land uh but give us a sense of what you're hearing and seeing and how this might set things up in terms of the battle that will come before September 30th well do you want the good news or the bad news first yes we take let's start with the good news give us the good news the good news is that we're we're we're we're working on the job in the house uh to the house is credit there are bills out there to fund the government they exist um the bad news is none of them will become law and and it's kind of predictable uh in this case the house controlled by Republicans is going to put out some very conservative uh legislation to fund the government big increases in defense funding big cuts uh for transportation funding for things like public health for things like uh workers and education um and a bunch of conservative policies things that uh combat diversity equity and inclusion things that uh combat the expansion of Rights for lgbtq folks um thing you know abortion restrictions that all kind of get written into these bills the house is going to vote on them they're going to pass on Party Line votes and the is going to say hahaa that was very funny we will now actually write funding bills and we'll negotiate on them um and and that's not going to happen before November so excuse me before September where uh so we'll see a continuing resolution kind of a a punt uh until after the election and then we'll pick the ball back up and see if Congress can you know meet the new deadlines that's going to set for itself yeah it'll be so interesting to see how that plays out and it is always interesting interesting regarding of who's in control of each of the chambers uh often those uh those house bills even if they're controlled by the same party they often get set on a desk on whoever the majority leader is and we're of course the members of the house that's where all good legislation goes to die probably all bad legislation goes there to die as well uh and this is an interesting one in particular in an election year where clearly there are things within some of these Appropriations bills that are either just purely messaging or pure politics again we're equal opportunity offenders on the show both sides have done this over the years uh but give us a sense in terms of how this might actually shape the Contours of the debate I in terms of the funding and I'm with you it definitely is not going to happen by September 30th even though we know it's coming um I one question I have for you is will we get a short punt into a kind of a lame duck in December or will they punt it all the way into a new Administration into January so there there's another bit of good news here which is that nobody wants to fight over this in an election year nobody wants in the middle of September the other party screaming bloody murder that you know the Democrats or the Republicans are going to shut down the government nobody wants that cudgel wielded against them so I don't think getting a a short-term stop Gap punt is going to be all that hard to put together I imagine that will get extended into the lame duck um because lawmakers don't want to saddle a new Congress and a new president with you know the first thing they have to do in office is fund the government they want to they want to have a much more you know if President Biden wins that that will be interpreted as you know a mandate to go finish the job and be bold on legislation if president Trump wins uh you know he has talked about his first 100 days being retribution from his time in office um and he's talked about some some uh or at least conservatives in Congress have talked about bold New Economic plans that they want to pursue in their first hundred days so nobody wants to spend part of their first hundred days you know doing the riger role of funding the government they want to be they want to go big um and they don't want to deal with this stuff but this stuff matters yeah yeah this is the stuff this is the job and I I often remind people if you don't want to do this job this is actually the job you're running to do so if you don't want to do that job you should run for a different job or just go get a different job uh because this is one of the very few pieces that actually matters in the job and so let's let's get that part done and I've been going back and forth whether they will you know take this deadline of September 30 and and try to punt to that short-term one in in mid December which is what they typically do and then they punt again to either January or March uh and from what you're saying I'm sensing you're thinking maybe they punt that into March so whoever the new Administration is at least gets a 100 days to to run at something I think so and and look I mean this is I don't like to do speculating but in this case I'm going to do a wee bit of speculating which is that members of Congress are people just like you and me and does anything get done in once November rolls around and we all look at the calendar we go oh it's Thanksgiving oh the holidays oh we'll pick it up after the New Year nothing gets done in any workplace Place between November and December and Congress is no different so the idea that they're going to pump this into the lame duck and then go oh yeah we can finish it up by the end of the year I think that's very ambitious yeah yeah so I I think we'll see a series of those continuing resolutions which uh which has a lot of different ramifications I know you've studied this close this is what drove me crazy as a chief of staff in the Senate uh is that we talk about continuing resolution and most people think oh that just keeps everything on autopilot keeps all the spending going and that could be bad in one sense could be good obviously in keeping the government open but there's also a host of of ramifications in terms of whatever a particular project is say it's a it's something for a new fighter jet in the military because the old one is defective and doesn't work you can't change you can't change that if it's the funds have been for the old program they have to stay there because that's what's been passed and a continuing resolution doesn't allow you to shift from the old project to a new project and things like that have real ramifications whether it's military whether it's funding for poverty programs or whatever it may be uh some of those things are not shiftable uh and that impacts the quality of government that we're getting continuing resolutions are super wasteful um they yeah like exactly like you said there are new needs that we have as a nation that if we do a continuing resolution there's nothing we can do you know you can't change it to fit those new needs um and uh if there stuff that's obsolete it's really hard to strip that out of the continuing resolution it just it puts it on autopilot uh regardless of whether or not there are mountains in the way at the height you are flying um and so you know you don't you you can't steer um it so so that that's difficult I I will also say just if we think about March deadlines let's keep in mind there are other Financial policy lines that are going to be really important and if this thing keeps getting kicked uh that will turn into a tsunami you have the debt limit that's expiring and that'll probably we'll probably be able to get through tax season uh before we're we we start getting faced with a default date um which would be really bad economically yeah um so we'll probably be able to get through tax season but if this thing keeps getting punted then we start trying to solve the debt with discre AR spending and then someone like me gets to come back on your show and geek out and like tell your readers excuse me your listeners about like a bunch of random terms that they never thought they have to know in their lives we're gonna book you today Jacob we're uh i g to have Lindsay stay on the line with you and schedule uh our dates for December the 14th we're going to get another one January 26th and then we're going to take you on March the 24th all those dates are coming yeah this I mean you know we you and me will have fun everyone like what is happening and then we have a tax debate coming up at the end of 2025 right and and oh boy is that gonna be a whole ball of wax so you know when you keep kicking the can down the road um when you put federal spending on autopilot again it's autopilot but there are obstructions in your way at the altitude at which you are flying you are not going to dodge them yeah and the math always wins the math always wins Jacob boage Congressional economics correspondent for the Washington Post you can check out his piece at the washingtonpost.com Jacob always appreciate it and we'll look forward to having you back to continue the conversation all right great stuff that's Jacob bogage from The Washington Post and all of those things are true and real we're flying at a certain Al altitude we're realizing the mountain is much higher than where we're flying and if we don't change we will crash economically we'll be right back and I said to my It Down Down You're Rocking The Boat join Utah Festival Opera and musical theater July 5th through August 3rd for showstopping performances in Logan professional performers from Broadway and all over bring you Andrew Lloyd Weber's cats the Lively classic Guys and Dolls the hilarious anything goes with spectacular tap dancing and music by Co [Music] Porter pop classic Little Shop of Horrors and P Opera Johnny ski with his sequel boso ghost stop the commercial I'm interrupting myself to tell you that Utah students k312 can get a free ticket to all Utah Festival performances this summer claim yours online now where was I oh [Music] yeah H classic Little Shop of Horrors and pini's Opera Johnny ski with it sequel Boo's ghost plus late night Cabaret five concerts breakfast with the Stars Academy classes and more tickets at Utah Festival .org Utah festival.org KSL broadcast group contests are open to participants 13 years of age and older that are residents of Utah Idaho Wyoming and Nevada unless otherwise specified employees or agents of the station Bondville international corporation or other Area radio stations or any entity associated with the contest may not enter persons who have won in the last 90 days from a station contest or event are not eligible full General contest rules are available at KSL newws radio.com the Salt Lake chamber is Utah's voice for business okay that sounds great but what does it really mean well is Utah's largest and longest standing Business Association they support and Champion Community Prosperity throughout the state and if you're in business well that's a very good thing for you be sure to listen to the chambers speaking on business weekdays at 7:20 11:55 and 5 5:20 p.m. on KSL News radio your neighbor Greg loves summers in Utah but he hates to paint so he called Rhino Shield we live in a beautiful two-story home that was built in 1916 really been prepped and painted very very poorly Rhino Shield ceramic technology is formulated for our unique climate here in Utah and is class one fire rting we really had a lot of detail work in the team at Rhino Shield spent really 4 days just on the prep work we were so excited to see that and the cleanup was just impeccable Utah get the 25-year guaranteed protection of Rhino Shield right now for 10% off the regular price we've gotten numerous compliments and we've actually even had some of the longer term residents of our community thank us for for protecting the Integrity of our home this offer is limited so call now 435246365320600 west.com [Music] any hour Services can make sure your AC keeps you cool this summer whether you need a tuneup repair or just a second opinion about replacing it call any hour services or visit any hour services.com I'm Dave colie investigative journalist and host of the podcast cold don't miss Cold's new season 3 where I look into the unsolved disappearance of Sheree Warren a woman last seen leaving her job at a Salt Lake City office in 1985 police cast suspicion on Shere estranged husband and boyfriend but never made any arrests or recovered Shere remains find Cold Season 3 the search for Sheree anywhere you get your podcasts with the three things you need to know this hour I'm Dan bomas first vendors who sell at the Redwood Drive-In Swap Meet were disappointed by a West Valley planning decision last night second a domestic violence situation turned into the murders of five people in Las Vegas Police are only now sorting out the details and third drones are giving firefighters a close-up look at wildfires 86° mostly cloudy in Salt Lake City back to inside sources on KSL News radio inside sources ins inside sources America's voice of reason Boyd Ma on Utah's home for elevated conversation inside sources on KSL News radio another exciting announcement coming out of Utah Valley University this week particularly out of the center for constitutional studies as they announced the launching of a master's program in constitutional government Civics and law Dr Troy E Smith will be the program director uh for the masters of arts of constitutional government Civics and law and joins us on the line and Dr Smith welcome to the show thank you so much Boyd it's a pleasure to be here uh this is a really exciting development the things that have been going on in inside the center for constitutional studies there at Utah Valley University has we always talk about institutions that punch above their weight this clearly is one uh but give us a sense of this new master's program and what it means both to the university and to the students that'll be part of it yes Utah El University and the center for constitutional studies is doing incredible work increasing constitutional literacy around Utah the west and in the nation and it's a real honor for me to be a part of this program that they have put together it's a master's degree program designed for K through 12 teachers particularly but others who want to go on and be professionals to go deep in the content of the American founding principles so that is the history the philosophy the laws that shaped the thinkers behind the Constitution and our system of government and how those ideas and laws have developed over time and then also the importance of the public having the Civic virtues that are essential for civic Liberty and and ordered Liberty and our system of government that we have yeah I want to unpack a few of those let's start with just the the principles and why those are so important especially as we look at a country that politically is quite polarized uh but yet I think we're not so much divided maybe a little more separated but talk to us about those principles right yeah so there are a lot of people who want to change our system of government 66% say that uh we should change our our our form of government but it's not the Constitution that's failed it's we who have stopped using the Constitution to address the very problems that the founders constructed the Constitution to resolve 70% of the American public can't pass a basic Civics test many of them don't know that there are three branches of government so how can we use the Constitution if we don't fully understand it and that's the point of this program is to help teachers to understand these basic principles of our government and then to be able to share that with their students and and spread the understanding out so that it ripples across our communities and makes a difference in how we approach and think about government so it's such an important part of that process and what to me one of the other really exciting uh components to all of this of course the relationship that has been developed with the University of Oxford's Pembrook college and the quill project for our listeners who may not be as familiar describe that uh that project the quill project for us and then how this will be incorporated in terms of this new master's program so the quill project is a analytical study of the convention that came that created the Constitution and from that they're able to draw all sorts of insights and connections that previously weren't available the master's program includes a a research track where students will be going to auction and working with Professor Nicholas Cole who put that together and developing uh those connections finding deeper insights to help us better understand the founding and what the thinking was the reasoning and the connections behind that yeah it's such an important project and I I love the tag teaming there I think there's so many things that are coming out of that uh as you get this launched and rolling give us H I know you're not long on the job here but uh give us a little bit of your vision in terms of how this continues to grow and expand and how it adds to that uh uh constitutional studies there at Utah Valley University well it's evident that there is a very deep need for this type of an educational program that teaches teachers the content of the founding of the principles of the Constitution so that they're able to share it with others and we see a great demand from teachers for this the ones that have come have the three days that we've been going they're expressing uh how much this is going to help them and they're going to be able to bring it into the classroom and share it with their students we anticipate that we will have uh a a a significant growth not just here in Utah but across the west and also across the United States because we're one of the few programs that is actually targeted for that group and giving them the tools and knowledge to bring to their classroom the content that that that they want to share ah so important then finally I would be very remiss and I'd kick myself because we're one of the few radio programs in the world that spends time every week and most every day talking about federalism we we have been tasked to make federalism cool again uh and you have spent a lot of time in federalism and so give us that Lynch pin connection uh in terms of federalism in terms of the Constitutional studies Masters program uh and why everyone should be thinking about federalism for liberty for equality of of government and for the perpetuation of our free institutions right for Liberty that we are best ruled but with those issues that that affect us in our daily life by those who have experience in that context in that environment so there are a number of things that can be done by local officials that we should leave for local officials it also is a way of learning how to engage cooperate communicate collaborate deliberate and compromise with those who think different than us the purp Constitution is not to make us all the same but it's to give us the Forum whereby we can come together to resolve to come to Common Ground on some of the issues and that means allowing Utah to do what it wants and California to do what it wants on certain respective issues and even at the local level uh it's such an important principle and it's one that we as everything becomes more and more nationalized a lot through social media this ability to get it back to the States and to the people to that local level as you said is such a critical component for all of that both for Liberty and for the quality of what we're getting out of it the ability to come together and I love the way you framed that it really is uh not about sameness it's about Oneness in in terms of what we're moving forward together uh again once again uh great announcement coming out of Utah Valley University this week the center for constitutional studies launches a new master's program in constitutional government Civics and law that will be led uh by Our Guest Dr Troy E Smith and uh Dr Smith thank you so much for joining us best of luck we look forward to having you back as you engage the students and as you move this whole project forward thank you so much really appreciate you spreading the message that's my conversation uh with the new head uh there at the Utah Valley University talking about the Constitution Center a new master's program there and those are all things that we have to get to how we have the conversation how we teach Civics how we teach our young people to be engaged in the process how we as adults continue to engage uh makes all the difference in the world and we have to lean into those conversations even the uncomfortable ones maybe especially the uncomfortable ones whether that's on taxes whether that's on the debt and deficit spending whether it's reforming entitlements whatever it may be we got to be willing to have the conversation to do it just a little bit different and do it a little bit better and that's what we can do all right that wraps up hour number one of inside sources here on KSL News radio we'll step aside for some topof thee hour news don't go anywhere we'll continue to break things down and build things up here on inside sources stay with us we'll be right [Music] back KSL FM Midville KSL Salt Lake City from the KSL common Spirit Health Studios this is KSL News radio Utah's News traffic and weather station it's 2 o00 at KSL News radio I'm Dan bomas KSL's top story this hour new survey shows strong support for a $750 million bond proposal in the Salt Lake City School District here's KSL News radio's Amy cobab the money would go toward fixing up West and Highland High Schools the board hired Y2 analytics to look at likely voters and if they'd support the bond and a majority actually supported the larger of three options $750 million compared to 600 or 300 million the board has until August to decide if they'll actually put it on the ballot for November these two high schools are the oldest in the city our top National story this hour from ABC News voters will get a good look at President Biden and former president president Trump in the CNN presidential debate this evening Washington Post reporter Mary Jordan says they'll be able to see for themselves what they've only heard about to this point I think the stakes are really high because between now and election day this is a rare moment people can see them themselves and begin making up their own decision and you can watch the CNN presidential debate on CNN this evening or listen to the simal cast on KSL News radio beginning at 7:00 your money at this moment the Dow Jones average uh up on the day 36 points the NASDAQ is up 53 and our KSL Weather waiting to see if we get that thunderstorm tonight that's next KSL News time 2011 news doesn't just mean information or dates it's the story of our local history being told in real time be a part of the story this is Tim Hughes and Amanda Dixon we hope to be a part of your story we have you covered on KSL News radio the light is fading your hands are sore and the last tool has been put away now is the time to feel the satisfaction that comes with a job well done but when you get your tools from Harbor Freight something about the job feels a little different your wallet because we believe that everyone deserves hardworking tools at hardworking prices and that's what we have here so whatever you do do it for Less at Harbor [Music] Freight not going from point A to I need you to stay safe please so always sing with me so put your phone on D and that means do not disturb when you're Ding and when you're going from point A to I need you to stay safe please always remember this don't drive distracted a message brought to you by the national highway traffic safety administration project yellow light and the Ad Council hi I'm Christine 15 years ago my world as a mom crumbled when my two sons finally were able to be honest about their substance addiction my husband and I had been attending a 12-step addiction recovery program at our church to learn how to help our sons we learned addiction is a life-threatening brain disease that's chronic progressive and has the capacity to take away free agency I searched desperately to find the right help for our sons and was told to look for a strong Aftercare program by the grace of God we found that with Renaissance Ranch and also found their amazing family program research studies indicate family members play a huge role in treatment outcome and long-term sobriety today we are grateful owners of Renaissance ranch with our sons and know addiction is a family illness and families can find healing and connection when they are willing to learn more about recovery if you have a loved one suffering from addiction don't wait to seek help join us in our online Christ centered family education classes that are open to the public at no charge look for us at Renaissance ranch.com traffic and weather together brought to you by Sinclair's Dino pay app save up to 20 cents per gallon here's Ricky me we do have an accident North pound I 25's West belt and this might be a crash with injuries uh this is prior to 7th North around the North Temple area those vehicles are over to the left shoulder and the final cleanup of an accident in Davis County southbound red Wood Road at 1100 north in North Salt Lake Lagoon is Utah's home for summer fun get all the fun and excitement at Lagoon great rides games and Adventure open daily visit lagoonpark.com for hours to at and for hours and to purchase tickets Ricky me in the KSL traffic center well there's a 50% chance for a thunderstorm and that could be more severe in the eastern part of the state and then things uh dry out and by Sunday we should be back to 99° right now we're at 88 and mostly cloudy I'm Dan bomas from the KSL common Spirit Health Studios listen online at KSL newws radio.com where Utah's news trffic weather station inside sources inside sources America's voice of reason Boyd Ma on Utah's home for elevated conversation inside sources on on KSL News radio you've heard me say it many times on this program that I get pretty pessimistic with the politics and the politicians I think a lot of that is broken I think our politics has failed us in many ways but America has not and I've actually never been more bullish about the future of the country but we have to look at it a little bit different there's a lot of disillusionment there's a lot of dissatisfaction when it comes to politics and Leadership and so instead of just looking at the headline where all the problems are let's look underneath that and get back to some of the Civics and some of the connective tissue that we find in community that I believe is actually the solution to the bigger problems let's begin think you know the news of the day think again with Boyd mat on KSL News radio as we try to get past the headlines and try to think again about what we think we know we know that the solutions to most of the challenges and problems we face in this country are not going to come from the marbled Halls of Washington DC so where will they come from uh with all the tearing down with all the sniping that takes place in the political world on social media on cable news networks how do we get to this idea of a builder's mindset and how that might be part of the solution to where we actually need to go there's a great piece at deseret.com today Megan kler uh is the author of that she is a writer she studied philosophy French and Latin at BYU she lives here in the state of Utah and Megan welcome to the show hi thanks for having me brilliant piece at deseret.com and uh break down the premise of all of that in terms of how do we get to this idea of the builders uh and how do we learn from that well um in my article you know I'm sort of borrowing from the the latter distinct Faith tradition um and that's kind of how I arrive at a builder's ethic but I I think that there's more than one way to get there um but you know I I as far as like what I'm the the main point that I'm trying to make there is that I think a lot of people are feeling disillusioned and I think part of that is because maybe we have put too much stock in politics as the answer to our individual and Collective problems yeah and walk us through that process we look at a lot of different Faith traditions on this show in terms of the principles uh and the things that we can model and borrow and use and whether it's here in the state of Utah or across the country uh give us a sense of what you learned in looking at the Latter-Day Saint history in terms of building over politics um well you know this is a a narrative that occurs in the scriptures it's one that occurs in our more recent church history but just this idea that God doesn't really hand us a finished product um he he really asks us to build things um because that process is a process that builds not just things and communities but it builds individuals who then know how to live in community with one another and um how to to sort of bridge the gap from um where they are in their reality to to the ideal that they're striving for yeah and I think that's such a a crucial piece of that whole puzzle uh is that whole idea of having a time to build your reference in your peace you know God didn't just deliver the ark to Noah and and pull it up you know this is where the water's going to start and and so just climb on board and you're and you're in uh but I want you to dig and unpack a little bit more uh you talk about the things that we learn when we build about living in community unpack that for us um so well I think there's a lot that goes into that but um you know certainly as a religious community you know God giving us um problems to solve right he doesn't just hand us Zion he asks us to build it um that is going to require learning certain skills and using them and practicing them and you know it's we can't just demand the things that we want in those kinds of situations we can't just sort of pontificate about what the right and wrong way to do things is we have to get in there and work with people who might see things differently than we do um and so I guess that's sort of what leads me to talk in my article about some of these intangible Civic Goods of compromise of Civ ility of um of adhering to processes in government um I think that that's that's kind of a similar thing in that um those those are sort of those are things that we have learned over time and I'm talking over you know centuries um that this is sort of the the recipe for how we can arrive at Sustainable Solutions as a country yeah and I think it's so vital that we that we get to that space whether it's learning the Integrity of compromise whether it's staying curious uh about what other people believe or why they think that's a good solution to that particular problem uh that radical curiosity uh of coming together it's interesting to me we've been focused a lot the the past few weeks in terms of having both that religious pluralism we often talk about that in the country but there's also this Civic pluralism uh that I think is equally as important uh especially when you look at this whole idea of of building uh our good friend of the show yall lein uh you know had a whole book about a time to build and what happens when we start to do that and uh he's actually going to join us back on the program next week and but I want to get to something that you quoted in your article that I thought was really powerful uh you talked about a quote from Roger scrutton uh about uh some things that are really under the radar again not the headline stuff but how uh the uh Aesthetics and Beauty can shape uh political thinking just just describe that for us I thought that was fascinating yeah so um scrutin was a he was really a philosopher before he was a political philosopher and um he wrote quite a bit about Aesthetics and he lived that you know he cared a great deal about art about beauty architecture and um what I kind of took from that is that here's a person who is about something other than politics which is you know we that's kind of like the public space where we're trying to work out hash out Solutions or even you know bring other people around to our way of thinking um and so I think it's important that all of us have these passions and interests that are not in the political sphere I think um politics is just becoming much more existential and people are so much more invested in it than they've ever been and I think maybe part of the reason for that is that they're not invested elsewhere and so I really like that book by you olivan as well and um that has definitely factored into my thinking and you know aside from like the the kinds of Institutions that we think of like government institutions or even religion you know are there other ways that we can build things and practice those skills of building in our lives maybe it's building relationships maybe it's creating art um I think basically it's just getting out of that mode of like needing to tear things down to to get your way and learning that process of what it really takes to create and to create something that is lasting yeah I love that that's so important we often say that uh opposition is uncomplicated uh deconstruction is absolutely undemanding anybody can do that uh and and we know that even a very simple-minded person can wax pretty eloquent in their scoffing and in their tearing and so we have to get to that different space this is a fantastic article I'm going to point you all to it it's at deseret.com and it is just a masterful thought-provoking uh I have about 20 more questions for you Megan but I'm GNA have you come back another day to to break some more things down but this Builder's mindset uh important lessons from history but absolute crucial conversations for today uh Megan ker thanks so much for joining us thank you uh really great perspective there uh it is so easy uh even in right negative writing is super easy uh opposition is absolutely uncomplicated deconstructions doesn't demand anything from anybody but that's not what we're here for and that doesn't move us forward that's where you end up with kind of an unhinged from principle kind of populism that's where grievance ends up driving the politics of the day that's what often keeps us more in the middle of heavy and heated arguments than it does in creating real solutions so we all ought to quit you know sharpening so many knives in all the political battles and start sharpening a few more pencils and recognizing that anger and fear and frustration all of those things that uh are opposition and deconstruction that are so undemanding that we do the hard stuff the heavy lifting of actually building we'll be right [Music] back think again on inside sources with Boyd mat we're just hours away I feel inspired the first debate for America's top job we're going to have great success I think we're going to have a tremendous election get full coverage and Analysis from the Utah voices you trust to be fair and listen to the CNN presidential debate tonight at 7 simoc live here on KSL News radio what's up everybody I'm Mike Wilson with any hour services and if you have a drain that's clogged or backed up after you've tried the plungers and products The Next Step usually involves some kind of drain snake or cabling equipment you see sometimes the blockage is far enough down the line that you need special equipment that most homeowners just don't have that's where the drains Department any hour Services can help a drain snake can clear most blockages and get the water flowing again and clearing block drains is what our drains department does day in and day out so if you're a homeowner with a drain line that's clogged or backed up and you'd like one of our drain technicians to come and snake the line for you it's only $29 yep you heard that right any hour services will snake any drain line with normal access for only $29 sinks showers tubs toilets floor drains laundry drains even that sewer Mainline that connects to the city we'll snake any line for just 29 for help with your drain issues call any hour services at 81443 7700 you can Google any hour Services you can even schedule online at any hour services.com no one helps more homeowners than any hour services this is the first summer I've looked forward to in a long time because it's the first one since I let go of 70 lbs of fat weight with the help of my friends at soda weight loss I can't overstate how much it matters to have your own personal nutritionist to assist you on your health journey and you get that at soda weight loss with coaching support and real help 100% over the phone I agree with my friend Sandy who says her soda dieticians and nutritionists felt like family they rooted for me they wanted me to succeed for me that was so big is having someone in your corner come find out what Sandy and I have learned soda works go toaa weightloss.com click reest a nutritionist call back and within minutes you'll be talking to someone who truly wants to help you get in the best shape of your life let me tell you the hottest days of summer well they feel a lot less hot without that fat layer surrounding me and I no longer want to avoid going to the pool with my kids so start your own Journey at s weightloss.com because soda stands for say it with me state of the art odds are if you have a 401k it's set up with your payroll provider or an insurance company I'm Jeff Jor with TR and wealth and if you're using your payroll provider or an insurance company for your 401k the employer may be overpaying for the plan the employees may have Blas investment options and those Blas investment options May cost more than they should not with TR and wealth call us today 801 899-7676 services offered through a third party partner Social Security is with you through life's journey from birth to retirement as your life changes year to year so do your needs for over 80 years social security has helped to meet your needs and is committed to improving access to the services that make a difference in your life today you can verify your earnings estimate your future benefits apply for retirement manage your benefits and even change your address all from the comfort of your home Social Security's online services help put you in control with secure access to your information anytime anywhere allowing you to spend more time with family friends or simply just enjoying the day Social Security securing today and tomorrow see what you can do online at socialsecurity.gov produced at US taxpayer expense hey I'm Casey Scott and I have a podcast called project recovery inspiring stories about going from Rock Bottom to living addiction free follow us on kslp podcast.com or wherever you get podcast with the three things you need to know this hour I'm Dan bomas first the Salt Lake City School District might be asking voters to approve a $750 million bond in this election second tonight's the night for the first debate between President Joe Biden and former president Donald Trump the CNN presidential debate begins at 7:00 and third a long-term study shows taking multivitamin pills don't do much to reduce your risk of death 88 degrees mostly cloudy in Salt Lake City and back to inside sources on KSL News radio inside sources inside sources America's voice of reason Boyd mat on Utah's home for elevated conversation inside sources on KSL News radio it's an interesting season that we're in Following last week's statement from the Surgeon General Dr VC Murthy stating that social media platforms should contain a warning about their effects and potential impact on young people particularly on their mental health now Dr Murthy is declaring that gun violence should be moved into the Public Health crisis issue and we want to dig into all of these crises and uh Perhaps it is as uh Jennifer Graham described it at deseret.com maybe we're in a crisis of Crisis uh and we want to dig into these in terms of what does it really mean and where do we actually go from here and Jennifer joins us on the line Jennifer welcome back to the show thank you so much always pleasure to talk to you uh well as we uh as we dive into this one uh give us first just the the breakdown on this latest uh uh announcement from uh the Surgeon General in terms of gun violence and where we need to be there what does it actually say what does it actually mean well it is super interesting that you mentioned that this is kind of a followup to another big announcement from him a week ago about social media platforms needing warnings and it almost made me think that he's trying to keep up with the Supreme Court this month that you know the Supreme Court is all about a new opinion every day and now it seems like we're getting new pronouncements from the Surgeon General every week so I don't know it might have something to do with the fact that it's an election year I will leave that to others to speculate but anyway it it was a big deal that he issued this um well it was first an advisory but it's also um a pronouncement that gun violence is now a Public Health crisis which of course um enables all sorts of funding to come forward um like we remember from covid you know as soon as things get an official designation money kind of falls out of the trees and so Skeptics may say that that has a lot to do with this other Skeptics might say that it is also part of a political campaign I I won't weigh in on any of that I don't had nothing to do with the decision here but but it it was a controversial move for sure yeah no question and there are a lot of things underneath the hood there so to speak in terms of uh what this is and why it came out now the the dollars that fall from such an order or such a pronouncement by the Surgeon General are an interesting thing uh to watch especially from the lobbying perspective in our nation's capital uh but help us understand in terms what uh they based the decision on in terms of some of those numbers because I want to make sure we don't lose that in either either the the dollars and cents of it or the politics of it uh that there are some things that we should be having conversations about sure and um this report that came out it was roughly 40 pages it is um well packed with data um most recent a study from last year that had some pretty uh compelling arguments in there that this has gotten to a crisis level and some of the I I can't all the statistics but some of the ones that I found most compelling were that uh 54% of American adults last year said that they had experienced a firearm related incident and that means a negative incident it doesn't mean they were out on the Range having a good time um one one in five Americans said that they had been threatened with the firearm um almost 20% said that a family member had been killed or committed suicide via a firearm which is really the kind of statistic that should give us pause and we should think about uh whether or not as um Dr Murthy said that we should take this issue out of the realm of politics and put it into the realm of health because it is affecting the life expectancy of Americans which is a big deal yeah no question about that one of the things that you pointed out in your piece at deseret.com was something from the Acton Institute uh questioning that uh some of of the statistics that came out one that was missing uh was the fact that 60% of gun deaths are by Suicide which again is a whole another crucial conversation we have to get to exactly and that's one reason that I address this issue the way I did talking about the fact that all these crises and we can argue about whether they're actual crises or not and whether that's the term to use but all these Trends all these very troubling trends at at minimum we should say they're interconnected and I did see a lot of commentary about the suicide aspect of this because when we talk about gun violence I think our minds immediately go to homicides or holdups or other kinds of violent crime whereas um more than half um 60 nearly 60% of the deaths um that that he is talking about in this report are suicide and those of course as Anthony Bradley wrote in his tweet um we need to talk about mental health as well so there's there's just no way to talk about one without talking about the other yeah and that's one of the things that I wish the Surgeon General had done a little bit better is to link those two in terms of let's have this conversation let's take the let's let's do take it out of the politics uh and I do worry that if we call everything a crisis you know if everything is a 10 nothing's a 10 uh on the important scale and sometimes I worry that we use these political terms that are nice bumper sticker slogans or or nice headlines uh but often keep us a safe distance from connecting the dots and having the real conversation I totally agree with you on that and that's one of the things I was thinking about yesterday is the number of things that we attach the word crisis to right I mean we have a housing crisis we have a child care care crisis we have a climate crisis we have an immigration crisis and so forth I mean you can just go on down the line and at some point it does seem that we're overusing the word but you know in this case I think the the argument for using the word crisis does involve uh when something is a clear and present danger to the lives of large populations and I I could argue both ways uh I can argue both ways on a lot of things that's that's why I'm a jist and journalist so I mean I definitely understand the point of view of people who say that that this isn't a crisis and that the Surgeon General should not be weighing in on this particularly since he has um been aligned with a certain political party in the past but where I came down on it was frankly the number of Health Care Professionals who who yesterday spoke out about this there does seem to be a unanimous um uh position on on behalf of all the major health organizations in the country who are applauding this and as I mentioned towards the end of the piece they have kind of uh gathered around this hashtag this is our Lane in the past they have been told to stay out of gun conversations and what Health Care Professionals are saying is we are the ones who see the effects we are the ones who are treating the people and so this is our lane this is something that we should have something to say on and that is a reasonable argument that you could make not only for healthc Care Professionals a field but for the Surgeon General yeah no question and it is always interesting in terms of what the Surgeon General does and then of course the uh the funds that do fall that is one component but in terms of anything else with real teeth uh there's not a lot there in terms of enforcement or policy that can be done but again I think part of it is leading these conversations and one of the things that you did in in your piece and something you always do so brilliantly Jennifer is connecting the dots and I love that you took some of these maybe overuse of the word crisis but you did con start connecting those dots between uh gun violence uh loneliness social media use and pornography some really interesting things that all seem to have some common intersections yes that is correct and and I will say I'm the first person to be skeptical of saying let's just throw money at a problem and my eyebrows are always raised to the ceiling When anybody in government starts telling me we need more studies but one thing that did stand out in this report to me yesterday that I found kind of interesting was uh they said that gun violence deaths are roughly the same number of deaths of people who die from sepsis each year which of course is is blood poisoning whereas AC according to the Surgeon General this is not my own research but according to him um the research that is done on on gun deaths is less than 1% of the research that is done each year on sepsis well assuming that is true that is something that thoughtful people should take into consideration and obviously as you said there's a lot here to chew on and his pronouncement is not the end of this conversation but the beginning of it yeah it really should be the beginning of the beginning of a of a host of conversations and the important thing is for us to get past the politics and the positioning of some of these things especially during an election year but really get to to the conversation we need to have that will lead to good policy and lead to the outcomes that everybody can unite around because that's really the name of the game in the end Jennifer Graham ideas and culture editor for Deseret News you can check it out her piece at deseret.com always great writing great thinking Jennifer thanks so much for joining us today thank you I'm a fan of yours yeah thanks Jennifer that's Jennifer Graham again from deseret.com uh always helps us get beyond the headline underneath the numbers the position the posturing and then where's the real conversation and how do we get there that's always the test we'll step aside for a quick break more insight sources coming up next it's 2:30 at KSL News radio I'm Dan bomas KSL's top local story this hour firefighters have been battling a fire at the Rocky Mountain Recycling Center for more than 12 hours now Salt Lake City fire captain Chad Jefferson says it took a while to tame this for a few reasons obviously the the size of the property and the amount of um steel involved it it's heavy and it's you can't move it around so much and so getting water inside of the The Burning uh debris is difficult Jefferson says next they'll have to go into the building and tear it apart to make sure they haven't missed anything our top National story this hour from ABC News a study that looked at 400 thousand people over 20 years has determined that daily multivitamins do not lower the risk of death from heart disease or cancer in fact the results showed otherwise healthy people who took a multivitamin pill every day were slightly more likely to die during the study period your money at this moment the Dow Jones average closing trading today up 36 points the NASDAQ was up 53 and the S&P 500 was up about five and our KSL weather we're already seeing uh storms and a little bit of snow in southern Utah that's nice KSL News time 231 you know what's great about KSL's traffic coverage trained traffic reporters and real listeners trading information and making the commute safer and faster for everyone every 10 minutes on the 9 we have you covered on KSL News radio hey Utah when comes to guiding the growth of our state you buzzed in with your comments and we listen to what you had to say your feedback on the future of Utah's housing water transportation and open space will continue to help our leaders make important policy decisions preserving and improving our high quality of life in meaningful ways for years to come so thanks for speaking up learn more about our state's future atg guiding ourg growth. utah.gov higher taxes soaring inflation record low interest rates and the skyrocketing cost of healthare the list goes on retiring successfully today is a lot more complicated than ever before learn how you could tackle the biggest challenges that you'll face in retirement today don't miss a special edition of Retirement Solutions radio it's this Saturday afternoon at 3:00 right here on KSL News radio 1027 I lock up my Old Spice Fiji aluminum free dry to keep that 24/7 lasting freshness safe for myself fresh coconuts palm trees in the wind it's like catching waves in Fiji actually I just talked myself into a refreshing Spritz of Fiji My Old Spice is missing [Music] [Laughter] no attention talum powder users have you had ovarian or gy iCal cancer a proposed $8 billion plan will pay those who believe they got sick from using tal products like Johnson's baby powder and shower to shower Johnson and Johnson maintains its products are safe you have until July 26 2024 to vote to accept or reject the plan for more information visit official claims.com or call 888431 456 paid for by llt Management LLC I think one of the things that patients don't realize is that when they get a joint replacement that's not a lifetime treatment option and they're probably if they are a younger patient signing up for multiple surgeries down the road as a physician and medical director for QC kinetics Dr caravelli's seen a pattern of trending joint pain prolonged medication steroids then surgery possibly another surgery so a lot of our patients are trying to avoid or put off surgery and this is the treatment that can help them do that QC kinetics extracts your body's healing substances concentrates them back into your aching joints to help heal and restore those areas providing lasting relief oh I love being able to tell my patients you know before we do this surgery let's try another option let's see if this is right for you because now they might not have to have surgery at all call today for your free consultation call QC kinetics 385 7661 1987 that's 385 7661 1987 385 7661 1987 traffic and weather together brought to you by Sinclair's Dino pay app save up to 20 cents per gallon here's Ricky me we still have this accident being cleared it's Northbound I 215s West belt a little after the I 80 Junction over to the left also Salt Lake City PD on the scene of a crash at 8th East and 300 South don't miss Park City gallery association's gallery stroll with monthly inspiration and familyfriendly activities including this Friday's scavenger stroll from 6:00 to 9 9:00 p.m. shop and get inspired supporting local visit Park City Gallery association.com Ricky me Sy the KSL traffic center and we could still see a thunderstorm here on the was Edge front but the activity expected to be intense in the eastern part of the state and then things are going to warm up the next couple of days by Sunday we should be back to Sunshine and 99 de and right now 88° and partly cloudy I'm Dan bomas from the KSL common Spirit Health Studios listen online at KSL newws radio.com for Utah's News traffic and weather space inside sources inside sources America's voice of reason Boyd math on Utah's home for elevated conversation inside sources on KSL News radio welcome back to inside sources here on KSL News radio it's great to be with you today as always I am mat as we continue to watch all of the things happening as it relates to the CNN presidential debate tonight if you missed the first part of the show you just need to go back uh because remember each of the candidates did some debate prep I think it's every bit as important for all of us as voters and as Citizens to do our own debate prep to look at what we're listening for and uh I would suggest you go back and take a listen and approach it with a lens of Civic Civic pluralism uh and actually getting to some of those things there's all kinds of complexities that we've got to get to but we got to be listening just a little bit different now one of the things that I'm sure will come up uh in the course of the 90-minute debate tonight is the Middle East uh it's a mess there's a lot of challenges going on there and so we want to take a look at how that might play out and some of the things that are happening and some things that are moving forward in a really interesting way as it relates to Saudi Arabia uh many people ask me how do you start your day where do you begin the day when you're thinking about the show and there's only one place where I start every day it's the morning dispatch newsletter uh that is a place our friends at the dispatch really understand it and how to connect all the dots uh in a straightup journalistic approach to get to the truth and get to the things that really matter and we're really thrilled to have joining us on the program Grayson log who's a deputy editor of the morning dispatch newsletter and Grayson both welcome to the show and this is a great piece on how the US and Saudi Arabia are moving towards a pretty big deal yeah thank you for having me and I'm I'm glad to hear that you're a regular reader it's always it's always fun to to connect with one of our regular uh tmb readers yeah yeah it's it's a really interesting agreement in a normal time this deal which has been in the works between Saudi Arabia the United States and Israel Over more than the last year this would be the number one news story in the Middle East but there's at least two other stories uh the war between Israel Hamas and Gaza the conflict with Hezbollah in the North of Israel what's going on in shipping in the Red Sea with the houthis that are overshadowing this this larger agreement but it's still been been chugging along uh the negotiation negotiating tables have been active over the last 18 months and while we don't have publicly released details uh the White House has confirmed publicly that the the agreement is near final so so that's that's kind of where where we stand uh right now yeah and so let's let's unpack that just a little bit I think it's so interesting and it will be interesting to see how this plays out if at all uh on the debate stage tonight uh and you pointed this out uh on the newsletter this morning at the dispatch uh that back in 2019 during a debate there were some questions around Saudi Arabia Arabia specifically and then candidate Joe Biden didn't mince any words in terms of really showcasing them as the pariah that they are was the way he framed it and now we've sort of done this 180 take us on that journey of the now president of the United States Joe Biden in terms of how he goes from seeing them and wanting to Showcase them as the Pariah that they are back in 2019 to uh a pretty landmarked deal that could be on the horizon today yeah you're exactly right this is the type of deal in which the context of how it came about almost matters as much as what's in it we can we can get into the specifics but Biden came into office wanting to isolate Saudi Arabia he took some initial steps in the first few months while actually being uh in office in that direction but starting around early 2022 he started this pivot in the relationship it was initially motivated by skyrocketing gas and oil prices after Russia invaded Ukraine and by the end of 2022 in the beginning of early 2023 there was some openness signaled by Saudi Arabia and by the Crown Prince Muhammad D Salman the facto ruler of the country to a deal that involved normalization of Saudi Arabia's relationship with Israel in exchange for defense commitments weapons uh transfers to the United States and a few other elements that we can get into so there's been an evolution from the Pariah status to Biden going to visit in the summer of 2022 giving this famous fistbump to MBS which turned into a big handshake a year later at the at the G20 Summit last fall and negotiators heading into September of last year thought this agreement was in was in a pretty good place and obviously the October 7th attack by Hamas kind of put it on ice that kind of halted negotiations it really shifted the Dynamics within the region but towards the end of last year and through the beginning of this year negotiators kind of came back to the table and have the agreement back on track now initially when the Saudis expressed interest in doing this in exchange for for the a defense agreement with the United States they didn't require major concessions on the Palestinian question or on a path towards Palestinian statehood post October 7th that has kind of been reasserted into the conversation that has to be a more active element of actually getting any deal across the table and the Biden Administration has seen some opportunity there and using that as a as a as a soft leverage point to hopefully push the war with Hamas to a conclusion because that's of political liability for for some constituencies on the left so so there's the pressure from both sides the the Saudi perspective and the US perspective to include this Israeli element Beyond normalization including things like a ceasefire and some type of commitment to a path to statehood so that's where the the deal essentially stands now from from the US uh what we're essentially bringing to the table what the Saudis want there's three main elements the first is more uh commitments and predictability around us weapon sales transfers to Saudi Arabia we have a history of pausing those those those shipments and interrupting previous agreements that the Saudis would like stabilize there's a whole discussion over why we've done that their human rights record the the the Civil War in Yemen that that's a whole different conversation but they basically want those weapon flows to be stabilized and not interrupted secondly they would like access to civilian nuclear power technology to build their own reactors as part of their uh broader transition of the economy away from oil this is the decades long project that the Crown Prince has initiated and third and perhaps most significantly significantly they would like a mutual defense Packa that obligates the United States in some form or another to come to Saudi Arabia's Aid when attack that would actually rise to the level of a treaty that would have to be uh approved by two-thirds of the Senate it's quite a Rare Defense agreement the United States does not have these types of agreements with very many countries outside of NATO it's only a handful of countries like South Korea and Japan and some others and haven't completed such a treaty in over 60 years so that that is quite a significant element in of itself let alone normalizing relations with Israel let alone some type of commitment to statehood for for the Palestinians yeah still a really high bar and I did think it was so interesting uh pre October 7th uh there were a lot of Rumblings that you know the Saudis could really play this intrical part in this two-state solution and some real lasting peace and then of course October 7th kind of threw all of that upside down and backwards and now just trying to get to ceasefire getting hostages home uh and then you have the complexities as you pointed them out in terms of what's happening with the houthis what's happening with Hezbollah uh and suddenly the entire region uh seems to be in a in a pretty wild Place uh how does the administration uh start to navigate these and and can it push through the rest of these things obviously that stabilization and certainty a lot of us allies seem to really want that this day these days of will the us really be there for us when we need them uh and what is the administration doing to to bolster that and to prove that hey we can get to some kind of deal that will be good for the region will be good for the Saudis and will be good for the United States yeah I think that's encapsulated in the pivot on Saudi Arabia they're uh monarchical autocracy that has a pretty bad human rights record they've done some social liberalization but they're fundamentally still an autocracy not typically a country the United States would want to to get into bed with all things uh held constant but in a region like the Middle East the Biden Administration as I recognized there is uh a stable partner to be had in the Saudis and to the extent that we can actually put some meat behind our partnership with them we can actually bring another actor in the region to play that role of a stabilizer in concert with the United States that's part of the longterm goal is is how do we uh keep the Middle East and position in which we don't have to be putting out fires all the time we we can pivot perhaps as the the famous pivot to Asia the Obama Administration tried to do and couldn't but that's all in in in the front and back of line of the administration as they're trying to to build these types of Partnerships but one of the uh odd things about this particular agreement is it it's it's so uncertain it's uncertain if Israel will uh put forward the commitments that would satisfy the S the Saudis if that happens it's uncertain if it can get past the Senate Saudi Arabia doesn't have that many friends in the Senate if if you look at the reaction both just publicly in general but also specifically Senators uh on Capitol Hill to the the PGA Tour Saudi live golf deal announced last year if that's any indication it's going to be quite quite to sell for the B Administration even if all of the other stars align on it yeah definitely definitely a tough cell to say the to say the least in the United States Senate great perspective and this is just one more example uh well we'll hear both candidates tonight talking about how they want to focus on things domestically every US president wants to be domestic domestic domestic on their agenda and then the world happens and uh no place is that more relevant uh than in the Middle East right now this is fantastic perspective as always Grayson log Deputy editor of the morning dispatch newsletter great way to start your day it's the way I start mine uh Grayson thanks again for joining us today yeah thank you for having me all right that's Grayson log from the dispatch the morning dispatch newsletter great place to start the day a great way to get some good thinking rolling as you begin your day we'll step aside for one last break we'll come back with some final thoughts on debate day here on KSL News radio we'll be right back you've been working so hard to keep your lawn and garden looking good maybe it's time to make your home look incredible with new window frames and double pan glass from Advanced window products if you can imagine it they can create it at their Factory in Salt Lake City any style any color security enhancements to keep your family safe all this and factory direct pricing you're buying local and paying less so seal up your home and reap the Energy savings with Advanced window products where they've been creating windows for 38 years no subcontractors they're not resellers they build the windows they install the windows and they guarantee them for life and right now at their summer special get an extra 2500 off on 10 windows or more they offer 0% financing and even buy now pay later busy Seasons just hitting call now Advanced window products 2500 off would you have to call 801 85091 100 that's 81850 9100 or go to Advanced Windows usa.com join KSL on the movie show this Friday from 10: to1 at the Orum NPS Store at 475 Northstate in orm NPS store.com at Fisher Investments we may seem like other money managers but we're different are you really that different than the rest of us we are as a fiduciary we always focus on what's best for our clients what services do you offer besides investing we have a team of specialists in financial planning Estate Planning and more your clients rely on you for all that yes we ensure clients receive unparalleled service at every step of the relationship okay but you still sell commission based products right no because we believe that's a conflict of interest we prioritize service over sales goals so then how do your fees work we have a simple and transparent fee that's a percentage of our clients portfolios so we do better when our clients do better wow we're more different than I thought at fer Investments we're clearly different learn more at Fisher investments.com investing in Securities involves the risk of [Music] loss have you ever thought about what would be like to sleep under the most magnificent blanket of stars picnic in the middle of gorgeous Red Rock watching Tony award-winning plays in a grand Outdoor Theater have you ever hiked through a legendary Twisted Forest gazing from spectacular Cliffside Vistas overlooking miles and miles of lush forested Meadows or you should enjoy great museums Gallery shops or great dining all in a special place combining Beauty and all the fun you can imagine put the youu back in Utah in Cedar City bran head Pack full of things you love live performances during the Shakespeare Festival spectacular campsites and cozy cabins plus hiking biking and ATV trails everywhere or tee up for 18 Halls of yearr Round Golf at Cedar Ridge Golf Course or enjoy a friendly game of disc golf at Thunderbird Gardens plan your adventure at Cedar City bran head and get to know the you in Utah details at visit Cedar city.com 3 days only Friday Saturday Sunday save thousands on hot tubs and swim Spas it's a major manufacturers liquidation of hundreds of in stock Spas Utah State Fair Park Hot Tubs discounted 40 to 80% to the lowest possible price starting at $29.99 free professional delivery take possession tomorrow next week next month or next season the hot tub and Swim Spa sale Utah State Fair Park shop over a dozen models of swim spa from 11 ft to over 19 ft swim Spas offer low impact exercise Active Family Fund unsurpassed relaxation and installation in one day the hot tub and Swim Spa sale Everything Must Go free parking free admission you can't afford to miss this it's a major manufacturers liquidation of hundreds of in stock Spas Friday noon to 8 p.m. Saturday 10: a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Sunday 10:00 a.m. to 6: p.m. the hot tub and Swim Spa sale Utah State Fair Park visit hot tub and swimspa sale.com getting help with plumbing repairs is easier than you think all you have to do is call any hour services or schedule an appointment at any hour services.com no one helps more homeowners than any hour Services inside sources with Boyd mat when we're trying to digest the news of the day we have to remember that instant certainty is the enemy of Truth a flashy headline May distract you from the real issue and the important conversations underneath inside sources with Boyd ma 1 to3 on KSL News radio mom and dad used to argue about everything everything especially about Dad's drinking it drove me crazy it got so bad I couldn't do my homework I couldn't concentrate I absolutely refused to let any of my friends come to our house for any reason I would have been humiliated if anyone found out how much my dad drank and how loud my mom screamed at him my family went from totally crazy to quiet calm and even peaceful the only thing that happened is my mom started going to allanon family groups her relationship with my dad really changed I asked Mom if she would take me to her alanon meetings or to Altin I wanted to see if I could have a better relationship with my Dad I'm sure glad I did if someone's drinking troubling you you might be surprised at what you can learn in an alanon or altine family group from people just like you call 18884 allanon or go to alanon.org with the three things you need to know this hour I'm Dan bomas first the Salt Lake City School District might be asking voters to approve a $750 million bond in this election second tonight's the night for the first debate between President Joe Biden and former president Donald Trump the CNN presidential debate begins at 7:00 and third a long-term study shows taking multivitamin pills don't do much to reduce your risk of death 88° mostly cloudy in Salt Lake City and back to inside sources on KSL news radio get deeper insights on the news from inside sources welcome back to inside sources here on KSL News radio great to be with you today as always I am Boyd mat as we round out the program today I'm going to give you the official shot clock clock uh 4 hours 7 minutes left until the CNN presidential debate begins we know that it will begin without opening statements neither candidate will make an opening statement both the current and the former president will be on the stage and go right into questions most of the questions will be uh have answers of about two minutes and a possible one minute rebuttal after that at the moderator's discretion of course we know that the mics will be cut and muted in between answers in fact very interesting uh CNN has done uh little examples and uh little walkth through little primers for you to get ready for the debate tonight they actually showed what would happen if someone was trying to talk at one of the podiums they're 8 feet apart while one of the other candidates was speaking at the other you can't hear anything was the point uh and so it will be one of those so that'll be an interesting dynamic in terms of no interruptions and no cutting each other off or no sniping along the way uh and that's all the headline stuff uh but as always we want to get past that I've been talking throughout the day today and really since yesterday that while it has been important for both the current and the former president to do their debate prep I think the debate prep we've been missing in the country is our debate prep yours in mine in terms of what we want to listen to what we should be listening for during the course of this 90-minute debate tonight and so we started off the program today and you can go back and listen to each of the segments of the program if you go to KSL podcast.com you can do that every day we post all the segments of the show so you can go through all of our great interviews with our amazing guest and I actually went to a lot of our favorite guests on this show uh in the first segment to get some to some of the questions they would like to have answered from the debate stage and I want to go back to a couple of those as we round out the program uh I want to go back to our friend George Will from The Washington Post uh he actually had a question phrased as uh as only George Will could do it but it was about the Constitution and he teed this up by saying look both of you seem to be pretty impatient with the Constitution and then George Will pivoted and said okay Mr Trump when Congress refused to fund your border wall you repurposed money Congress had appropriated for other uses and you reportedly plan to claim a presidential power to impound appropriated funds when you dislike congress's choices that's a good question for the former President George will also has a similar constitutional question for the current president saying Mr Biden you tried to spend unilaterally more than $400 billion on student loan debt forgiveness and when the Supreme Court of the land said this violated congress's constitutional prerogatives under the Appropriations Clause you said quote the Supreme Court blocked me from relieving student debt but they didn't stop me so the question from Mr will is what other constitutional requirements do you to consider flimsy legal cobwebs that is a question only George Will could ask I think it's a great question because what they're really being asked is will you continue to govern by executive order rather than working with Congress to get things done the proper way in other words how much do you respect the constit tion how much do you respect the process or are you willing for political purposes or otherwise convenience willing to circumvent and just do things by executive order which we regularly point out what gets done by executive order gets undone these two candidates that I'll be on stage tonight have proven that what got done by former president Obama got undone by then president Trump what got done by President Trump got undone by President Biden and so it goes and it creates uncertainty it's expensive and it doesn't move the cause forward I think that's a worthy conversation for tonight an interesting uh question from our friend Rick Hess on education from AI uh real simple he wants to ask the candidates if you had to point to a school or a college that you think is getting it right today for our students what would it be and what would it take to provide that kind of schooling for more of the Youth of America I think that's a great question I think that's one we're dig into because neither of them could answer it with a sound bite they'd actually have to explain something which is where we have to get also great questions from our friend Brian rle from Manhattan Institute uh talking about the national debt talking about social security Medicare which are expected to run out of money in the next decade so what are you actually going to do to be serious about making these solvent secure stable for the years ahead how do you do that those are good questions but above all as you roll into debate night I want to go back to our conversation with Adam Phillips and view them through the lens of a Civic pluralist again we T often talk about having uh religious pluralism in this country we should also have some Civic PL pluralism that we can disagree that we can maintain that unity and resilience Beyond just the election cycles that we can look at the things that will reinforce our trust in the institutions and in the future of the nation it's up to you do your debate prep watch the debate we'll talk about it tomorrow we'll step aside it is time for Jeff Klan I'm Boyd mat and thanks for joining us and as always as you go out into the world make sure you see something that inspires say something that uplifts and do something that makes a [Music] difference KSL FM Midville KSL Salt Lake City from the KSL common Spirit Health Studios this is KSL News radio Utah's News traffic and weather [Music] station good afternoon it's 3:00 at KSL News radio I'm Maria Shalo sitting in today for Jeff Kaplan it's cloudy in downtown Salt Lake City and 89° KSL's top story University of Utah is closing several diversity equity and inclusion offices ahead of a deadline to comply with the new state law

Channel: KSL News

Views: 968

Keywords:

Id: qkBo3LWTu2g

Length: 116min 35sec (6995 seconds)

Published: Fri Jun 28 2024