Imaginary Numbers Are Real [Part 1: Introduction]

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This is a barebones explanation centered around a flashy, poorly-explained animation that, as far as I can see, is also a terrible representation of the function and complex numbers in general.

What he did was plot Re[x], Im[x], Re[y]. The color seems to be mapped to the imaginary part of Y, where cyan is somewhere around zero.

The problem is that we cannot represent a complex function CC in 3D, as this is a 4D space. The best method is to use polar coordinates and domain coloring for this. Otherwise, we cannot directly see the only two roots of this equation. Here's what it looks like.

Plotting Re[X], Im[X] and Abs[Y] is probably a better 3D representation of this function, where you can clearly see two "dimples" that represent the roots.

It saddens me that this really didn't give any cool insight into what complex numbers are, or the fundamental theorem of algebra. Maybe I should do a video.

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 179 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/lucasvb ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Aug 28 2015 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

Is his graph accurate? It makes the parabola into a surface, so where it crosses the x-axis forms a curve. But it should only do so at two points, right?

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 19 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/tyy365 ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Aug 28 2015 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

They should show this video to students who say "why do we even learn this stuff if we can't use it in real life." The video talks about how people back a few centuries ago had the same scepticism about negative numbers and the number 0, and, in a way, the video says something about how there's plenty of stuff they're not teaching in the classroom and how it isn't being taught because of people who have a stance about it like this.

Math is a world that mixes practicality with abstraction - it's impossible to avoid one or the other since numbers themselves are merely an abstraction of our reality. Sometimes there's stuff worth learning and sometimes there's not, but there's nothing wrong with learning about the more abstract concepts for the sake of learning alone.

The thing is, if they don't care about the more abstract stuff, then that's fine. But I just don't like this attitude that it's going to be useless before they learn how they could use it.

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 13 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/raubana ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Aug 28 2015 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

Cool animation and video but shouldn't this be on /r/math or something?

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 23 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/Imosa1 ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Aug 28 2015 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

I've always called them complex because imaginary is an awful term to use! People I went to school with seem to think just because a number has "imaginary" parts it is useless as (just like the number itself) no useful applications exist.

EDIT: I was specifically referring to when people use examples of complex numbers and call them imaginary, not when people refer to imaginary parts of complex numbers as imaginary

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 9 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/SimpleFactor ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Aug 28 2015 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

Why is this getting upvoted in /r/physics? This is high-school or 1st-year undergraduate level mathematics.

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 2 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/Acebulf ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Aug 29 2015 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

Real numbers are real, imaginary numbers are not.

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 3 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/nevinera ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Aug 28 2015 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

Had they taught it like this a school I would've been more interested in this. Now I want to see the second part and understand imaginary/lateral/complex numbers.

He is right though. Why the fuck do we still call them imaginary?

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 1 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/[deleted] ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Aug 28 2015 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

The interesting question might be:
Does every imaginary number relate to an extra dimension?

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 1 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/I_askthequestions ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Aug 28 2015 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies
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Imaginary Numbers Are Real [Part 1: Introduction] Let's say we're given the function f(x) = x^2 + 1. We can graph our function and get a nice parabola. Now let's say we want to figure out where the equation equals zero we want to find the roots. On our plot this should be where the function crosses the x-axis. As we can see, our parabola actually never crosses the x-axis, so according to our plot, there are no solutions to the equation x^2+1=0. But there's a small problem. A little over 200 years ago a smart guy named Gauss proved that every polynomial equation of degree n has exactly n roots. Our polynomial has a highest power, or degree, of two, so we should have two roots. And Gauss' discovery is not just some random rule, today we call it the FUNDAMENTAL THEOREM OF ALGEBRA. So our plot seems to disagree with something so important it's called the FUNDAMENTAL THEOREM OF ALGEBRA, which might be a problem. What Guass is telling us here, is that there are two perfectly good values of x that we could plug into our function, and get zero out. Where could these 2 missing roots be? The short answer here is that we don't have enough numbers. We typically think of numbers existing on a 1 dimensional continuum - the number line. All our friends are here: 0, 1, negative numbers, fractions, even irrational numbers like root 2 show up. But this system is incomplete. And our missing numbers are not just further left or right, they live in a whole new dimension. Algebraically, this new dimension has everything to do with a problem that was mathematically considered impossible for over two thousand years: the square root of negative one. When we include this missing dimension in our analysis, our parabola gets way more interesting. Now that our input numbers are in their full two dimensional form, we see how our function x^2+1 really behaves. And we can now see that our function does have exactly two roots! We were just looking in the wrong dimension. So, why is this extra dimension that numbers possess not common knowledge? Part of this reason is that it has been given a terrible, terrible name. A name that suggest that these numbers aren't ever real! In fact, Gauss himself had something to say about this naming convention. So yes, this missing dimension is comprised of numbers that have been given ridiculous name imaginary. Gauss proposed these numbers should instead be given the name lateral so from here on, let's let lateral mean imaginary. To get a better handle on imaginary, I mean, lateral numbers, and really understand what's going on here, let's spend a little time thinking about numbers. Early humans really only had use for the natural numbers, that is 1, 2, 3, and so on. This makes sense because of how numbers were used. So to early humans, the number line would have just been a series of dots. As civilizations advanced, people needed answers to more sophisticated math questions โ€“ like when to plant seeds, how to divide land, and how to keep track of financial transactions. The natural numbers just werenโ€™t cutting it anymore, so the Egyptians innovated and developed a new, high tech solution: fractions. Fractions filled in the gaps in our number line, and were basically cutting edge technology for a couple thousand years. The next big innovations to hit the number line were the number zero and negative numbers, but it took some time to get everyone on board. Since itโ€™s not obvious what these numbers mean or how they fit into the real world, zero and negative numbers were met with skepticism, and largely avoided or ignored. Some cultures were more suspicious than others, depending largely on how people viewed the connection between mathematics and reality. And this is not all ancient history - just a few centuries ago, mathematicians would intentionally move terms around to avoid having negatives show up in equations. Suspicion of zero and negative numbers did eventually fade - partially because negatives are useful for expressing concepts like debt, but mostly because negatives just kept sneaking into mathematics. It turns out thereโ€™s just a whole lot of math you just canโ€™t do if you donโ€™t allow negative numbers to play. Without negatives, simple algebra problems like x + 3 = 2 have no answer. Before negatives were accepted, this problem would have no solution, just like we thought our original problem had no solution. The thing is, itโ€™s not crazy or weird to think problems like this have no solutions โ€“ in words, this algebra problem basically says: โ€œif I have 2 things and I take away 3, how many things do I have left?โ€ Itโ€™s not surprising that most of the people who have lived on our planet would be suspicious of questions like this. These problems donโ€™t make much sense. Even brilliant mathematicians of the 18th century, such as Leonard Euler, didnโ€™t really know what to do with negatives he at one point wrote that negatives were greater than infinity. So itโ€™s fair to say that negative and imaginary numbers raise a lot of very good, very valid questions. Like why do we require students to understand and work with numbers that eluded the greatest mathmatical minds for thousands of years? Why did we even come accept negative and imaginary numbers in the first place, when they donโ€™t really seem connected to anything in the real world? And how do these extra numbers help explain the missing solutions to our problem? Next time, weโ€™ll begin to address these questions by going way back to the discovery of imaginary numbers.
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Channel: Welch Labs
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Keywords: Imaginary Number, Complex Number (Literature Subject), Mathematics (Field Of Study), Education (TV Genre), Secondary School (School Category), High School (School Category), Physics (Field Of Study)
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Length: 5min 47sec (347 seconds)
Published: Fri Aug 28 2015
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