Ikea Hobo Stove VS Lixada Wood Gas Stove

for some time now I've been wanting to make a series of videos where I compare my wood stoves one against the other so I thought what about to start the series off then with the IKEA Hobo stove and the Lok Satta would guess stove if you're interested in seeing how these two stoves compare keep watching okay before we start comparing the two stoves against each other I thought I would you establish the criteria that I'm going to use so to begin with I'm going to break it down into two categories first the pros and cons and the pros and cons will include things like the cost the compactness the weight of them as well as the versatility and then we'll get into the performance of the two stoves and that will include things such as how quickly will the stoves bring two cups of water to a boil I know that's a bit arbitrary but you have to have some standard which that you can use to compare them but I'm also going to be look at how long does that fuel last how long will it take or how much ash is left over after the fuel so those are the basic criteria and we'll see what else we can come up with as we go along now let's take a look at the two stoves we're comparing today all right I have the two stoves set up here on my cement block side-by-side so that you can get an idea of what they look like when they're in their stuff sacks because that is one of the factors for comparing is the compactness of the two of them when you're carrying them in your in your kit bag so to begin with let's take a look at the look SATA wood gas stove now I do have a separate video on this stove and I'll link it up in the show notes above here over my shoulder I think you can see where I'm pointing so you'll see a parrot come up which will link you back to the video where I test this though and I've done a number of tests and videos on this stove comparing it against other stoves such as the solo Titan which is another wood guest over similar design so this one obviously wins the compactness in your Begg comparison so we'll open that up in a second but before I do yes this is more compact but I do have the weights of them so again here is the ikea stove setup that I have in this stuff sack and the looks Atom wood gas stove comes in at one pound 11 ounces or 778 grams as you see it in this bag so one pound 11 ounces the IKEA setup that I have comes in at one pound nine ounces or seven and 14 grams so there's a couple of variables here one is whatever you're going to use for your IKEA setup is going to make a difference in the weight so different pots and different ways of making the stove and different attachments are going to make a difference but they're very close in weight although the akia has a bit of an advantage now let's take a look at what's inside so to start with let's set up the ladder with the stuff sack aside and this is the way I have mine packed and ready to go so I have the MSR Segal little pot here this is the 775 milliliter version great little pot I like it I mean 775 is is just enough I would like it to be a little bit bigger but then I would be giving up some of the compactness that goes along with this stove because they seem to be designed to fit together perfectly so inside set the pot aside you have your base ring you have your burn chamber which has a drop-down plate and you have your hot support and feed so there it is fully assembled and this is how I would use it one on top of the other and it's a it's a good setup I really enjoy using this I don't use it all the time mostly because I end up wanting to use a slightly larger pot so this is not big it's big in a first solo and you know works very well but sometimes I just want a larger pot so that's why I don't carry this all the time so we're gonna move that to the side for a minute let's get my akia set up out lid the stove and pot now to finish setting up the akia stove I have the conduit legs that I've modified this one to have makes for a more stable wider base pot stands made from an aluminum one-inch stock and my pot that goes on top now side by side there's gonna be one obvious difference between the two of them and that is the pot side now before anybody cries foul the reason I'm used in these two parts instead of parts of similar slices because this is the way I pack them when I go into the woods this is the you know the most compact way to for me to pack this now I do have different parts that go with my IKEA stoves different know what stove I'm going to be using but this is the one I wanted to compare for you today so I am going to put the same amount of water in each of these pots to two cups or five hundred mils of water and I don't think that the displacement or the you know the spare-room in each of the part is going to make that big a difference in performance but we'll see maybe it will but this is the way I pack them this is the way I carry them so that's the way I wanted to compare them today alright let's put those aside what else can we say about these two stoves let's do a cost comparison the IKEA can cost almost nothing it really depends on the availability and your ingenuity so the availability is can you find IKEA utensil strainers no I picked mine up between $1 and $2 depending on how they've been priced at Value Village our local thrift store and in or bring them home now the other things that cost me sometimes I can get the aluminum barriers for free but the conduits do cost me a little bit of money very little you get quite a few in a package and I do have a video on the making of an IKEA Hobo stove so there's a little bit of work involved in it but eventually I'll ultimately this is a much less expensive stove let's call it a $5 stove and give it a generous price five dollars what about the Lok Satta wood gas stove well this is also known to be a very inexpensive stove for most people I think I paid $15 for this when I first purchases that these are Canadian prices of course and I bought this one on eBay I see them now ranging twenty to twenty-five dollars so if you shop around sometimes you can get them for the lesser price and you know that it's still a little bit more money but it's a lot less than a lot of other wood stoves go you can see size-wise comparison there's two sizes when they're in they're assembled they're very close in size however when you look at them that's not the full story what you need to consider is how much wood each of them will hold and there's a huge difference in the end and that the IKEA will hold much more wood it not only has a larger diameter burn chamber but a much taller burn chamber because we're in reality the whole thing is a parent chamber however the Lok Satta has a smaller burn chamber it's a little bit narrower in diameter and it's also as you can see from the bottom the burn chamber doesn't reach all the way to the ground and of course that's just part of the design so I can't get as bit as much wood into the looks at as I can into the IKEA today we're going to be put in exactly the same amount of wood in each of them because that's the only way we can do a fair test all right let's move on to loading these two up and we will see how they perform oh one more thing when I talked about versatility both stoves have about the same versatility I'm going to give versatility edge to the IKEA for a couple of reasons one I can use longer pieces of wood which means they have to do less processing when I go to load the stove up and two as you can see on this one I've got a feed port on the front here and there's different ways that can be done but the feed port allows me to use even longer sticks than would normally fit inside of the burn chamber so I can continue to feed in longer sticks that way so versatility I'm going to give to the IKEA all right now let's load these stoves up for the test okay so I have the two stoves loaded with the fuel that I'm going to be using today and it is split hurt would kill and dried hardwood that I have here at home I thought it was the best fuel to use for this comparison no it's not sticks from the woods but this is a Kaveri that I can control by using the same wood I've got to cut to the same size and you're going to see that looks like it's going to make a huge difference and it may make a difference in these stoves but it is part of the test and I have the same weight so I'm going to be using seven point six ounces exactly a seven point six ounces of wood exactly in both stove that's also 218 grams so 218 grams or seven point six ounces of hard wood in the Lok Satta pretty much fills the chamber and it's a short stick let me pull one note to show you it's only about two and a half three inches long and the reason I'm using a short wood like this is because for peak efficiency the wood has to be burning below the level of the secondary Jets the vents right at the top of the stove so you can start out with more wood in your luck SATA or any wood gas stove for that matter but you're not going to reach peak efficiency until the burning gets down below you'll also notice that they're used I'm using a top down burn this is known as Tila TL u D top lit up draft burning style and the reason I'm using this is because again this is the most efficient way to use a wood gas stove that's how they were designed to work not to say you can't start a fire in the bottom and burn it up but if you're looking for the most efficient and longest burn this is the way that you should be using yourself so that's what I'm gonna do to give the best advantage I can to the Lok Satta now when it comes to the IKEA a bit of a different story I'm using the same amount of wood but you can see how much difference there is in the in the chamber for spare room leftover quite a bit not only is there room left inside of the chamber but there's also a lot of height left inside of the chamber yeah this is where it gets a little tricky comparing stoves against the other I can use much more fuel inside the ikea stove than I can in the Lok Satta but how do you compare them if you don't use the same amount of fuel so that's what I'm going to be doing today is using the same amount of fuel in each of them again top down burn I do find it pretty much any stove benefits from that top down burn this is going to be a little hard to get the IKEA lit for that reason for the shorter sticks but I'm think we can manage it now to light the I'm gonna be using homemade fire starters these are wax impregnated cause makeup pads that's what they are cotton makeup past and pregnat it with wax with a little bit more wax in the inside fold it over into a little it looks like a little dumpling or pierogi I guess and I'm gonna rip those open light them put them in the center and then I'm going to be putting some wood chips on top of it this is wood chips from carving projects that I have around from when I make spoons and the light around the house so enough talking let's get this thing started you know when you do a top-down burn you may be able to get away with just using the fire starter itself but quite often you have to build a little bit of a fire on top of your fuel to get them to get it lit I think my lighters out of fuel here we go can't see in the daylight here nope not lit yet expose a bit more of that wax or at the Contin ice should say there we go that was better so we'll take a little bit of time to get these fires established and once join that I'll cut away and bring it back once the fire is established before I put the water on for a boil let's see if I can't get this one little beautiful day here in Halifax making them a little hard for me to see what's happening here in the sunlight alright that's better and we'll lay that one in here except I think I put it out no still going alright so it looks as if the fire starters are getting lit I'll add some wood chips to these being careful not to put the harsh starters out now the reason I build you build a fire like this on top of a top-down Baroness because you need a little bit of a fire going it starts to draw the air up from the bottom and at the same time as the fuel or the starter kindling on top is lit it starts to drop coals down the side which will light the main body of fuel that looks like it might be enough to get them going and while the fire is still relatively small get the cross bearers on top for the IKEA and the feed porch on top for the look SATA and I'm going to give them a couple of minutes to really get established and then we'll put the water on and that's when I'll bring you back okay both stoves are burning well right now I did have to add a little windscreen around them just well you know give them the best chance each but also there's a bit of a breeze that comes up here in my backyard I can see clearly inside the Lok Satta that the gasification has taken place very nice it's a very clean burn not very actually I don't see any smoke at all right now of course that might be a little hard to see in the daylight so it's cleaning burning very cleanly as it's designed to do with full gasification taking place and inside of the IKEA the wood is burning very quickly and actually quite a bit more quickly than it is inside of the Lok Satta at this point interestingly I can see gasification taking place there where air is being drawn in through the feed holes all the way around okay before we run to the fuel let's get some water on each of these stoves all right so two cups of water on top of the hekia and two cups of water on top of Alex Atta now I'm going to start the timer and the timer is not so much to see just how quickly each of the stoves brings it to a boil as it is at a comparison see which one will bring it to a boil first and give a bit of an idea so that'll take a minute there we go I will just watch that for a few seconds so my first impressions are is that the IKEA lit and came to a good burn quicker than the the look SATA did but that's because I think the extra space that is inside of it there's so much room inside of there leftover that the wood is well spaced apart making for a lot more airflow through the wood and that may my I suspect may also lead to the fuel being consumed much faster hopefully not before I get the water to a boil so that means it may come to a boil quicker or if it doesn't fit that come to a boil but not last as long all right let's I'll let the video run or sorry I won't let the video run I will turn the camera off and when they come to a boil that's when I'll bring it back okay I admittedly I was caught a little bit off guard here before I even had a chance to really get ready to do this or set the camera I checked and the IKEA water was boiling hard right around two minutes and just behind it probably closer to two and a half minutes is the lux out of wood gas stove very close in comparison for time but I will say that the IKEA had it beat by at least 30 seconds maybe even a minute I I didn't get the exact time because it happened so much faster than I would have expected okay I'm going to take the water off and now we're just going to wait and see how long it takes for these things to burn down to ash and I will keep an eye on that I'm trying to create a shadow over the two stoves so you can get a better idea of what's taking place inside right now clearly the IKEA consumed its wood much faster than did the look SATA there's still some wood burning down inside there's still some active flame but I don't think that's gonna last much longer it's been just over 12 minutes since I first lift the fire starter in each of them so they are both burned out very well but there's a lot of fuel left to burn in the Lok Satta and it is burning beautifully I mean that is actly what you look for in a wood gas stove all the jets are firing beautifully there's a nice steady flame coming up through and zero smoke I mean that's what these are all about that most efficient burn I'm impressed with the IKEA but certainly the laquetta has the better burn it is going to burn longer and it's going to burn less smokey all right what we're gonna do now is just wait until they go to ash or at least until the IKEA goes to ash and I want to see just how much ash is left in the bottom of each of these stoves so it may take a few minutes before that occurs so when it does I'll bring it back and then we'll see what we can draw our conclusions we can draw from this test okay it's been a little over 25 minutes since I first lit the stoves and I'm looking down inside the IKEA I see the ashes left there's heat there but not a real significant amount however there's still a lot of active coals inside of the Lok Satta if I were to throw some fuel in there now it would light right up one of the things I wanted to see was just the efficiency in terms of how much ash is left rather than wait to the very end into the both stoves are cold I think I can get a good idea now I'm going to show you the IKEA I think do this without burning myself see how much was left in there not a lot but there is some in there and I was looking to see if there was going to be a lot of ash underneath it now there does not appear to be but in truth that could have been the breeze that blew that away so any ash that might have fallen through the holes on the bottom must have been blown away because it's not there now now let's have a look at the look sad by the way you can hold one of these stoves from the very very bottom it's hot but it's not too hot so I hopefully maybe I'll remove the pot stand you'll get a better see inside so you can see there's still some active coals in there not a lot but again they're they're active they're still providing heat and they would ignite any new fuel that was put inside ashes again very very little or none I was a little surprised because in past tests I've had ashes fall through both of these onto the concrete I mean it's not significant there is some that falls through I suspect the fact that this is extremely dry killing dried hardwood made made for a very clean burn okay and little let these two stoves cool off and then we'll see what conclusions we can come to about this test okay so what conclusions can I draw both these two two stoves being compared one against the other well I think we have to go back to the criteria established for this test to begin with so I looked at it from the pro/con point of view from the pro/con point of view the IKEA is a much less expensive stove not that the Alexa is very expensive because it's not it's still very reasonable very affordable stove it to buy and you know it's still a good price the IKEA wins in the cost category how about compactness well compactness it has to go to the Lok Satta when you pack it down especially inside of that little MSR 775 stowaway pot this is a much more compact stove this is not overly bulky but you know you have to be efficient with your space either this goes inside of your pot or a puck goes inside of this or maybe you're gonna store some things inside of this when it's empty so that you can make maximize your efficiency and packing so this one is a little bit more compact this one is a little larger weight the lux adda is an ounce or two heavier then the then the IKEA but that's going to be very dependent on how you build your IKEA out what you use for pot supports what you use for legs in the bottom what you use for pot in general that will make a difference in how the weight compares okay let's look at it from an efficiency point of view well there is one thing that the IKEA has going for it over the lick Satta and that is the room inside of the stove how much fuel can I actually get inside of this and how long will it burn using the exact same amount of fuel now I know someone's going to make a comment that wasn't a fair test and in truth it wasn't you can do much more with the IKEA in terms of fuel than you can with the Lok Satta but I had to have some kind of variable that I can control so that's how I chose to control the variable on fuel exact same size exact same weight so yeah okay the Ikea lit up faster it brought water to a boil faster and it went to a Shinto and burnt out faster still the licks added performed very well it took a little longer to light and come to a full efficient burn with Wood gasification taking place but once it did it was a steady performer that was a steady flame hot that was smoke-free for the entire time that he had stayed lit and it stayed lit much longer than did the IKEA so efficiency depends on how you look at it if you want to bring your water to a boil faster maybe the IKEA is a bit faster than the lick sadder not a lot but a few minutes faster if you're looking for it in terms of wood in terms of fuel capacity and how you can feed the stove a little bit more Vista versatility in the IKEA then there is in the lux attic because you do have to process your fuel down a little bit smaller at the end ash wise very hard to say they both look to be both the same I think there was probably a little less ash in the licks at a Wood gasification stove probably because it just burns so efficiency but there wasn't much left inside of the IKEA either so I'm gonna have to call them pretty close to a draw there okay the conclusion is that both of these stoves work extremely well it's don't feel I don't want anybody to feel handicapped because all they can afford or what they have is their IKEA you know I love the stove I have since I first built them I still consider them one of the better stoves that you can use and own at any cost at the same time I still like my luck SATA like Wood gasification stove the only thing I don't like about them is the processing of wood to get the best out of them ok those are those two stoves compared I have a quite a collection of stoves in my room downstairs and I'm going to open it up to you what would you like to see me compare one against the other I have a few ideas and I'll be making videos from those as I go along but if you look back through my videos you've got an idea pretty much of all the stoves that I own except a few that you haven't seen yet so if you'd like to see a couple compared against each other if I own them I will compare them if I can get them at a reasonable cost or if somebody wants to send me one then I'll compare them against some of the stoves that I already have that's what I have for you right now and until we see each other again get out and explore and take that path less travel it will make all the difference bye for now

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Length: 24min 37sec (1477 seconds)

Published: Sat Jun 01 2019