I owe AMD an apology...

well it's that time if you guys haven't seen the unboxing video already where we talk about the new radeon 6000 series graphics cards and what they look like and such you should probably go and check out that video first because we're not going to waste any time with that nonsense today in this video we're going to get right on to the performance metrics which is what you guys truly care about before we do that i think a little bit of a change in scenery might be required for this video today's video is sponsored by micro center and their custom pc builder use a custom pc builder to plan your next build and when the parts are added to your cart and in-store pickup is selected micro center technician will fully assemble your pc and if the order is placed at least four hours before closing you can enjoy your new pc the very same day get the best prices and parts selection at any of my center's 25 locations across the united states and right now my viewers can get a free 32 gigabyte flash drive and a free 32 gigabyte micro sd card while supplies last in store only to see everything micro center has to offer and to learn more about this limited time incentive click the link in the description below so there's a lot of things that we really have to talk about here uh when it comes to amd's 6000 series graphics cards it's been a while since we've had a top tier offering from amd i'm gonna go and stand these guys up right because these are well they probably belong to the museum at this point we are of course comparing the 6000 series to nvidia's offerings the 30 70 and the 3080 but the reason why i even have the vega 64 and the radeon 7 here is these were the last like high-end graphics cards that they truly offered i mean there's some argument for the 5700 xt and the 5700 being considered high-end but they were never intended to compete with any of nvidia's high ends at the time which was the 20 series cards these cards the vega 64 and the radeon 7 which are both based on hbm2 technology uh were and they were a big flop if you guys didn't spoiler alert if you weren't around for any of that these things just were absolutely terrible when it came to gaming in terms of the price to value that they were but they were really good at a lot of professional tests and stuff because just the way that the sms and such are in amd seem to be do really good at a lot of the precision type workflows but obviously with the turnover at management with radeon over the last couple years with it came an entirely new direction enter these guys right here the 6800 and 6800 xt just thick and thicker basically is the best way to look at this how exactly are they going to compare to the 30 series graphics cards well that's what we tested we need to talk about our testing methodology here before we get into the benchmarks because this is the first time since i've been doing benchmarks that we've had a complete shift in some of the ideology and the mindset of the way you test this sort of stuff the first one being amd's new dominance on their cpus being the gaming dominant platform specifically in our opinion the 5900x being the best gaming cpu that you can get right now at this juncture in time the other thing you have to keep in mind though is the fact that we have results that we've been using for on our intel system all the way up until this point so we're in the middle of transitioning over to 5900x as becoming our main uh benchmarking rig if you will but there's some irregular irregularities there's some irregularities we're still dealing with with some titles on that platform given how new that it is so what i want you to keep in mind when you look at these benchmarks is these are using our intel 10900k with the 5.3 gigahertz overclock on it that's to help uplift a little bit of that performance loss that gets the 5900x's ipc however the important thing here to remember is that all of these cards were tested on the exact same platform so that's a level playing field now the other thing i'm sure that you guys may have just realized is that means that there's no way we could have actually tested smart access memory on the amd graphics cards that's coming in a separate video where we will be testing these cards specifically against themselves on the 5900x so we're talking about smart access memory on and smart access memory off so jay what is smart access memory we've already talked about this a little bit we'll go more into depth in our smart access memory video we could talk about all this in one video but then let's face it it would be a gamer's nexus link video and i want you all to stay awake for everything i'm about to say smart access memory on a high level is just basically where you give cpu the cpu access to the faster gram available on a graphics card right now it's only available in blocks well those blocks can actually be resized through pcie the difference is amd is kind of limiting you to the 5000 series graphics cards on x570 or b550 platform only which has kind of led to some people being very upset because now that nvidia has announced that they're going to have a smart access memory type of functionality as well that's gonna be available on both amd and intel and older cpus amd looks a little bit less like the hero and a little bit more like the greedy villain in this one here trying to shoehorn everyone down the new product path to take advantage of that but the question is whether or not that's going to be worth it so we will be looking at that in another video only mentioning this now because i want you to realize that everything you're going to see in these benchmarks is out of the box settings it's another thing really important to mention is because there are so many knobs and dials in the latest radeon adrenaline software so our testing methodology for these cards on this table was literally out of the box settings on the graph on the motherboard obviously making sure in the bios and the drivers that there's no overclock being applied it's defaults no undervolting no overvolting stock fan curves same for our 3000 series gpus so amd basically said this was going to age like fine wine and we were going to see our dna's architecture be the next ryzen when it comes to upsetting the market for gpus does that hold true [Music] you [Music] [Music] okay there we go there is my skyline of amazing graphics cards as you guys could see in the benchmarks i think our dna 2 is doing exactly what it's designed to do it is designed to give you a very compelling option other than nvidia for enthusiast gamers the 6800 xt and the 6800 are not cheap by any means msrp in the 6800 xt is 649 us dollars versus 579 us dollars on the 6800 so you have a very interesting gap here in terms of where the cards are landing unlike the nvidia cards where you've got the 30 series being a a 3080 and then a 30 70 two very segmented different graphics cards you have the 6800 series which is basically the i think the best way to put this is xt would be like the super or the ti and then the non-xt would be like the standard version so really if we were to take a look at the way that this sort of slots in terms of pricing and stack it would be more like 3080 price of 700 and then 6800 xt right behind it then you have your 6800 right behind that then you have your 3070 right here now the funny thing about this is this is basically exactly how they stacked in the charts as well the difference is these two kind of change places uh depending on the title whereas the 6800 just basically beats the 3070 across the board the entire time the interesting thing though this is what 70 or 80 more expensive than this but this is 50 cheaper than this so you've got this kind of a weird like that's more like the spacing like that if you will what's gonna land right here because we know something's gonna 3070 super maybe i don't know i see a gap right here and i think nvidia sees it too and they're gonna shove something in there like they always do shut up phil i see you snickering back that's very immature so when it comes to performance though there's two aspects of this as well this is the first time we have both brands also giving us ray tracing of course nvidia is on its third generation uh tensor core and its second generation rt core ray tracing core there is no dlss type of functionality on amd yet remember dlss stands for deep learning super sampling they're using their super computers to come up with smart super sampling or aaa technologies for 30 series that doesn't exist on on radeon yet but i saw a lot of people saying well radeon doesn't have a physical uh rt core well that's not true because just like nvidia for every sm there's one rt accelerator is what they're calling it so we are seeing real-time ray tracing capabilities on amd unfortunately it seriously falls behind the optimizations that we've seen on nvidia's rt cores remember on second generation now whereas the 6800 xt once you turn on ray tracing falls much closer to a 2080 ti sometimes even a little bit behind it which is not that i think a lot of people might be disappointed when they see that but you need to look at it this way this is amd's first generation rt core in rasterization performance they made up a serious gap okay how much well here's what it looks like in borderlands 3 when we compare radeon 7 and vega 64 versus 6800 xt and 6800 so yeah as you guys can see right now uh it's kind of sad if you're still on vega 64 or radeon 7 i'm sorry you guys spent a lot of money on something that was abandoned in terms of technology and i bet you hbm ends up being something that we see again in the future but we clearly have not saturated standard core design with a traditional memory layout and high bandwidth memory was something that was sort of just kind of left by the wayside rightfully so in my opinion that's clearly not the bottleneck but if you consider the fact that they have made up that kind of gap to catch up to nvidia's 30 series and their first generation rt core is right there with a 2080 ti well whatever is next for rdna 2 or our dna 3 or whatever they're going to call it means we're going to see some real good battles happening in the future here when it comes to nvidia versus amd now these were just the titles that we showed you that had built-in benchmarks with them how about we go ahead and set up a an ultimate radeon experience right now in terms of gaming and we just take you guys along for a ride on a couple of titles that are not built in benchmark but are still very popular and show you what real-time gaming performance is like so for this ultimate gaming experience right now we decided to go ahead and just hook up believe it or not this is my daily driver panel i use this on my desk in the office every single day for you know emails and general internet browsing this is our asus rog pg 65 uq 65 inch bfgd 144 hertz 4k hdr gaming panel in fact there's fill for scale right there so i mentioned earlier that with the radeon stuff there is multiple buttons if you will these are one of the quirks i've talked about every now and then i'll put i'll put in the graphics card and it will just default to preset quiet and most of the time it goes to automatic default right here watch boom boom that's what it should be right there that's the out-of-the-box setting this is the part of amd that's a little bit lacking it's just the software side of things and the kookiness that happens and i'm and i'm sorry to the amd fanboys that think i'm being unfair to amd but it's just the way it is and that's what i think is always going to be lacking right now when it comes to the hardware versus software supporting experience one gripe i have about this though the only way that you get any sort of fan control is by going into manual and then going in here into fan tuning enable then you can change the fan profile and such so i kind of think that this is a little bit of bs here that you can't change the fan outside of the profiles the clock speeds that they are getting out of this are just absolutely bonkers 2 47 megahertz and that's on the default now here's the thing clock speed does not automatically translate to performance we've seen that in the past with like bulldozer and such we've seen very high clocking cpus just underperform because there's more to clock to performance than just clock speed however you can see they pulled out some really good frequencies out of this so if i go ahead and put this right now to overclock gpu 2514 megahertz is its new target in a perfect world if we could keep the card cool enough and have plenty of power that's where it would go but look at our clock speed here 2 400 and above that's faster than any clock speed nvidia can do out of the box but like i said that's just one small facet of what makes a a processor fast and i'm just happy to see those clock speeds what i'm also kind of showing you here though is the temperatures 68c right now this is the edge temp junction temperature this is the hottest part of the die measuring 88 during our testing that went as high as 105 on the junction temperature and then an average of about 72 to 75 on the edge temp so i figured a good title to kind of showcase some of the performance here of the 6800xt and this bfgd is with the division two so in terms of our graphics quality let's just go ahead and run an ultra setting right now resolution scale is 100 so this is 4k native so remember we are running 6800 xt i am running rage mode by the way i did turn rage mode on and i'm just showing you some the point here is to show you some live gameplay so you can kind of see in real time i'll call it any stutters we'll see what the temperatures look like let's get the fps right now we're 4k native there's no upscaling or anything happening here we're getting 75 fps in here and the lighting and stuff still looks gorgeous on this panel it's pretty consistent it's just stuck at like 70 fps right now 75 76 gpu is at 99 you can see right now the clock is sticking to about 2 200. shut up so the clock is stuck to about are you friend or foe okay oh your foe hi i never thought in the same sentence i would say the amd gpu has dropped down to only 2200 megahertz what i want to see right now though is if i do the auto overclock it should be faster and more fps and more frequency than we're gonna get with rage mode rage mode really all that does is move the power slider that's really all it does but as you can see right now in the game we're not really getting too much more about 20 megahertz more so yeah i'm aware that this is a a uh g-sync panel but as you can see there's no tearing so as you can see the division in 4k absolutely no problems for this to play maintains uh 65c that's edge temp obviously 270 watts that's because we're going above the 250 watts because we are pushing the overclock obviously as you saw so let's try another title here i want to try control and the reason why i want to try control is it's a truly agnostic game it doesn't have a nvidia logo doesn't have an amd logo it is just truly like an independent developer studio that is just like here's all the ray tracing technologies so if you want to know how ray tracing is going to work on a title that doesn't have developers being sent in by various manufacturers saying optimize for our stuff this is what that true rt experience is going to be like on the 6800 xt uh this is again native 4k as you can see we've got all high on all of our rasterization type stuff ssao 2x msaa we don't need crazy msaa we've got a giant panel here lots of pixels film grain is off that's by by choice i hate film grain i don't like the way it makes games look motion blur is on again by choice i like the way that makes games look which is already like pineapple on pizza for so many people shut up you like it too raytrace preset all that does is change which boxes are checked so this has all the ray tracing technologies built in okay so this is something i want to point out oh god if you see the core clock up top it's locked at 579 megahertz 575 it shows gp usage at 99 percent but you can see we're only getting 7fps this is a bug we've been encountering with this title it's one of the reasons why i want to show it is i want to demonstrate to you guys that this is one of the things that happens when you early adopt a new piece of hardware that has not been really field tested yet if you will what i mean by field test it is no matter how much testing a brand does there is never going to be a field test like when you send it to the public and the public buys it by the thousands and suddenly you have all these different hardware iterations software iterations different panels different memory apparently i jumped uh you jumped the fps back actually [Laughter] what i was trying to show you there is we've experienced this more than once now where it will just lock the frequency to something weird it's early adopter problems it and video was not free from those types of problems either when the 30 series first launched there were titles that had a lot of weirdness red dead redemption being one of them for me particularly but this i would not call a playable setting right now 24 fps so let's go ahead and real time change some things now so display the first thing i'm going to do is change our base resolutions we're going to drop it down to 1440. this is going to create a little bit of fuzziness to our textures and our overall edges however normally you aren't playing on a 65 inch panel that's going to make it more obvious as you can see now we just brought the fps nearly double we're at 45. so we are now approaching playable so you can also see oh i'm about to get into a fight aren't i where are they ah so you might see i'm lagging when i aim and a lot of that is quite honestly because this fps has dropped down to 35 during this gunfight so i'm getting a little bit of input lag you guys know input lag is directly related to fps as well so i'm not going to call this a very good gaming experience at the moment we'll show you how to make it a better one one thing to to kind of keep in mind too is that uh the rtx 3080 was natively doing 4k with rt on and all these options at about 60 fps but for ray tracing i would just go down to medium that turns off the three most difficult items to run retrace debris which is what i told you it's got to deal with all the little stuff you're seeing in this title that would have reflections and and shadow effects applied to it ray trace contact shadow so it's going to go back to just the old school way of doing shadows and then ray trace indirect diffused lighting so we still have our transparent reflections and our ray trace reflections on the floor so this is just reflections now we're right around 60 fps but if we go ahead and just turn off ray tracing altogether because i still wouldn't personally like this playing experience and then here's the problem again with our 500 meg will she jump it back no so and and then this is impossible now because it's at 27 fps just a little example of something you might buy into if you end up going a brand new graphics card like this on the market that a lot of developers haven't had time to really optimize for and keep in mind not a lot of times the developers truly go back and re-optimize a game for a new piece of hardware uh you're gonna have to wait for driver improvements stuff to maybe make a game like control play better this is a title that quite honestly just runs better on nvidia i mean the question everyone's going to be asking themselves is amd or nvidia and this is the first time since like 2011 maybe 12 no probably 11 yeah 11. where it actually mattered because the 7970 beating the gtx 680 was the last time we saw this level of competition happen and it's so amazing that it's happening at the same time amd is causing so much of a problem for intel when it comes to cpus look here's the bottom line i think the 6800 is the best bargain here it's faster than a 30-70 yes it's more expensive but it's so close to the performance of a 6800 xt that i feel like i'd rather save the 70 bucks go with the 6800 and put that towards a better cpu whether it be a ryzen's 5900x 5600x whatever and then not really feel like i lost that much because of the way the segmentation is with the series of graphics cards from amd versus nvidia i showed you kind of how the stacks were and where the gaps are this is much closer to the next card up then with a nvidia's you know 30 80 30 70 30 60 30 50 like the typical way they're gonna do things they always have you know 80 70 60 50 and then 30 at 10 30. anyway whatever i feel like the best value here is honestly going to be the 6800 we're going to probably look at whether or not these 6800s can be somehow flashed with a 6800 xt bios we know that we were able to do it with the 5700 and 5700 xt obviously it's not supported by amd it's not warrantied uh or any of that but you are uh i think we're going to see some amazing stuff come from this generation there's some caveats to that though as you saw with control there's some weirdness that can happen like we had a couple of titles just flat out act weird when you looked at like metro last light it's funny you actually get more fps in 1080p than nvidia for some odd reason but metro last light's an old dx11 title we've you reach the limitations of the engine cap and weird things happen like that so it's just a title we leave on there because it's an old test to be honest versus the 5700 xt we had very few weird things happen with this some titles as you can see like borderlands 3 it's just handedly beating nvidia in you know that title and we're going to start seeing that happen and the reason for that is the fact that this is the exact same technology that you're finding on the next gen consoles that are now out you're going to find developers now really optimizing for this particular core architecture which is exactly that's in this graphics card it's just a smaller version of it in the consoles so you're going to start seeing some amazing optimizations i think you're going to see some amazing maturity of drivers for this graphics card as long as amd doesn't somehow go in there and screw it up with terrible software supporting it which is what plagued the 5000 series that's not a that's not a nvidia fanboy amd fanboy discussion just go to the amd subreddit and you will see the amount of people that have said they left 5000 series graphics cards from amd and went to nvidia and bought 20 series cards simply because of how terrible the software support for it was and we have to have that not happen with these graphics cards the temperatures are great the noise is like non-existent these fans are super quiet and i have to imagine the aib cards are only going to be that much quieter too you're going to see beefier designs bigger overclocks because remember whereas we compared this to nvidia's founders edition card which is a custom pcb custom cooler higher clocks than reference these are reference cards reference cards bringing the fight to nvidia's doorstep and although this is as exciting as it is i kind of can't wait to see what happens next time because if if the 5000 series taught us anything is we could see another card as early as next year because we saw june july of 2019 be when we had the 5000 series come out and now we've got the very next year our dna2 if we look at the radeon 7 and vega 64 versus 5700 xt versus 6800 series and the amount of gap that they've caught up just a couple of years later i mean 5700 xt came out last year the very next year we've got this remember in videos on like this two year cycle and i think if if i were nvidia i wouldn't make the same mistake intel made by underestimating your competition and letting arrogance kind of drive your business practice you have to acknowledge that not only is 6000 series on your radar it's up your ass so if you guys want to learn more about sam and all that or smart access man we're going to do a separate video on that do some videos about overclocking and are going to investigate the whole bios thing which you already discussed 6000 series is here as far as i'm concerned it doesn't disappoint the question is can you even buy it i guess we'll wait and see this would be a very expensive game of dominoes if they all fell over

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Length: 27min 26sec (1646 seconds)

Published: Wed Nov 18 2020