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This is the sort of game that makes me itch to try and work out the mathematically optimal strategy... It really feels like it is doable. Seems Tom thinks so, too. Here's my take on the basics:

The 'add X pips to the face of a die' upgrades are actually really easy to figure out. Doesn't actually matter what face of the die one buffs, in isolation. The average value per rolls is the sum of all faces divided by the number of faces, putting more points on a single face ups the average no matter which face one puts it on. At the number of rolls we're working with chance isn't really a factor, it's all about the statistical averages.

The value of a new die is also pretty straightforward: At minimum, it's (number of remaining rolls) x (average value of new die roll). Obviously you can upgrade the new die, but that's still pretty straightforward.

It becomes a non-trivial optimization problem when you add in the more complicated buffs and how they affect each other. At this scale the individual rolls don't matter, but figuring out the exact optimal strategy... Yeah, that's an undertaking.

That said, it's possible and the way to do it is pretty clear. If I had some major free time I'd be able to program a Python script that could produce the optimal sequence of upgrades, and even one that could advise your per-move actions. (So long as you were willing to input the results of every single roll into the script so it knew what was going on.)

EDIT: Assuming the store and/or costs aren't randomized. If it does randomize either of those, at best I could make one that advised optimal actions on a per-roll basis.

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[Music] a bam welcome to roll everybody uh it's a game all about rolling dice can you can you imagine anything better than rolling some dice let's jump into this see the way that the game works is we have 2500 dice to roll or well rolls of dice we're getting some ones some twos and uh we will accrue points uh as time goes by and the value of the dice is how many points do we get uh so for example 30 points and we will be able to upgrade our dice so add two dice value 26 points let's do it uh who do you want to add to boom lucky number seven it's kind of a bit of a all our eggs in one basket situation but it's okay um and so we can just kind of slowly go through um we can just shut out a whole load of dice rolls real quickly if we want uh but i don't want to like kind of spam it too much let's get ourselves a three uh can you go higher of course of course we can great we've gone up to a 10 10 on the dice i love it so yeah we there is like a degree of gambling on uh we don't want to use up all of our dice rolls uh too early or spend all of our all of our cash because this is our like our points value that we walk away at the end of the game with uh so i should actually probably not have gone that far i just bought these sooner uh add another three to someone i think maybe like kind of spreading out a tad kind that makes sense okay we've got two tens on the dice that feels pretty good pretty good value and what i do want to get up to is that sort of 750 area because it allows us to upgrade the shop whatever that means uh oh we've got two free things 750 shop upgrade getting an additional dice oh god that sounds so good [Music] oh man i feel like well i'm not big big enough brain for this someone someone work it out [Music] having a one in six chance to get four more points is it just better to speed towards this i feel like you could have like a computer work this out or someone who's half half decent at maths uh i might just like pushing try and go in on that extra dice as that feels more efficient uh okay we've gotta be overshot it by a lot uh bonk okay double dice that's exactly what i want and then do you want to buy any of this stuff i guess it probably doesn't hurt although free reroll oh god what is this adjacency roller replaces the dice face of your choice with an adjacent re-roller when rolled this face will cause any orthogonically adjacent dice to be rolled as well what according to the okay okay that's just uh super super confusing for my baby baby brain flag right click items in this shop to automatically be returned oh [Music] what is that add lock there's a lock to a dice of your choice block die can't be modified and not produce anything for the show number of rolls after specified rolls it'll become unlocked and dupe itself wow okay that's pretty good for 500 rolls though oof okay how much do we get more dice let's just do a bit of let's just do a bit of rolling and see how the old points come in actually wonder maybe getting that that lock dice isn't terrible when you've got like some spares i feel like that probably could could really work out for us okay just getting some like just base numbers on here oh because you're like a little baby dice aren't you sure i have some upgrades [Music] i still kind of like the idea of having a one on there just to uh you know that's a bad role and it doesn't make more sense to kind of buff one dice if there's a potential for us to be able to uh kind of dupe dupe stuff single face multiplier replaces a dice face of your choice with a single-phase multiplier when rolled this face will have a value of the highest number times the multiplier okay wow so well we replace the one and then that will multiply the something i think we just have to have like a little experiment although i would like more dice um i was only like 1400 bucks i think to get the extra dice um and also the upgraded shop okay right got me once again massive overshooting but hey yo yeah more dice more dice is more good that's what i always say as a dice collector oh you've got to do the refresh what is this add multiple dice ooh more dice more dice is definitely more good dice adder replaces the dice face of your choice every 50 times this is rolled it will add a new standard dice oh that's pretty cool [Music] oh man there's some like really cool stuff an incrementer increases the value of the dice face every time it's rolled oh this is cool okay right we've got a whole load of other options but i need i need a bit of cash we are 20 of our way through our numbers rolled though [Music] and uh just over okay that feels good uh the dice adder seems amazing face value to itself [Music] adds the face value to itself effectively multiplies chosen face by two okay that's six re-rollers that's six adds a re-roller to every face on a dice of your choice when a face with a re-roller's roll the dice is rolled additional times according to the amount specified okay [Music] right four adds half increments of dice as a die of all ones with half increments on every face increases the value of every face by two every other time it's wrong okay great um there's a lot there's there's some complexity i just like the bit where we roll dice and we get points you know get those endorphins kicking in for some values i'm here to uh just roll dice what to think i just feel like we do need more dice though how are we getting right the incrementer does feel strong uh nice quantity [Music] what's the dice duplicator dice adder you're like five grams though [Music] okay let's do the incremental uh shouldn't risk it on like bonk can we get uh multiple things on the same dice that'd be cool oh this is replace the face with a higher number seems probably to have a bit of value yeah why not okay i like hearing the little the little click how many times do we have to roll that like 50 times or something oh no no it oh look okay it's already going up in value a bunch was there anything for two grand that we wanted uh quantity multiplier replace the dice face of your choice with a dice constant multiplier so i still have a volume of the quantity of dice times the multiplier okay so what that just becomes like a 60 is that right three dice times 20 am i understanding that correctly there's a good chance that the answer is no oh look that goes up to a 15 now i'm sad it doesn't have pips anymore but that's okay like the numerical dice have their place as well i'm more of a pip kind of guy especially on like a d6 like the cash money because getting some of those upgrades actually there's a lot of value in them uh were there any that i was super hot for dice i do like the idea of dice adders but i kind of uh oh we could just upgrade extra dice love that [Music] let's do a re-roll okay right what have you got for me baby perfect square increases whenever you have a square number of dice okay all numerical faces will be increased by one okay does that have a lot of value uh the value of all numeric faces will be multiplied by a specific amount all non-numeric faces will have no effect value wow okay pretty strong set all dice faces okay that you buy that like later on okay seems pretty pretty strong oh yeah we could actually just be saying like uh by buy something when it's ready can i buy multiple things no buy that so hopefully when we get to 800 did you know you can change the length of the pause between reroll and cremation uh okay oh wait do they make me stop because i can afford a thing why do you stop me please i just want to roll the dice there we go oh okay right because we got we got your boy uh what's this it changes the number to 33. [Music] sure go there it's probably probably value what else have you got that's two dice love that just add ten dice with faces oh my god i want that look look at the value of those 10 20 30 40. god i love dice four big fan uh i'm not sure if you are aware i've got a pretty big dice clicks um i kind of prefer like weirder weirder dice um like uh there was something different things that i've got i'm not just like you know different colors or um [Music] things like that i need it to be like wilder like weirder designs i like you know dice with funny um funny symbols on that that's always something that pleases me already ugly dice or just really hard to read really illegible just awful just awful dice big fan of finding those uh do we want oh i feel like we have to buy this okay oh wait oh wait it was only one dice oh god i thought it was ten dice with those numbers it's still a good dice and i think i think it's still got a lot of value let's have two dice sure yeah we'll wait quite a fraction [Music] man i wonder what kind of the scores are what i don't i don't even know what this sort of like ballpark is that people would be aiming for on uh like a valley valley that they're after oh man that incremental guy up to 75 already feels pretty good pretty strong [Music] i have two dice sure love it why wouldn't you why wouldn't you want more dice in your life another incremental yeah hit me with that can you get double incremental no oh don't waste that now that's okay okay right i think there's gonna be a degree of just like experimentation here [Music] okay let's do a re-roll oh god what are these boy replace the dice face of your choice with a void face when rolled this face will have no value when this face is not rolled it multiplies the value of the world face by two consumes all existing weights on the dice it cannot be weighted okay do any two dice faces their positions will be swapped okay so so you can like kind of goof around with your stuff add dice and ate dice and re-roll a dice so uh falling for clover replaces a dice face of your choice with a fall of clover cool all lottery faces will have a percent added to their success charts equal to half their original percentage i don't even know what that means [Music] game game complex game hard but we're working now together as a team uh god we're actually like almost halfway now [Music] and i feel like i am not getting enough points i feel like by this stage you should probably be in the like hundreds of thousands triples reroll when you roll triples roll three additional dice to extra times [Music] lottery uh this has no value but it's a 50 chance to roll a hundred okay okay so yeah we can bind those up [Music] sure do you like upgrade the shop again it gives us more dice let's do a re-roll what is this add weight the waste face is much more likely to roll okay cool [Music] multi-face multiplier a dice breeder that sliced with faces die plus okay right maybe we shouldn't have upgraded so fast we can't really like afford a ton of these some of these things i think getting like the weight weight symbol on like our incremental boy seems like a good idea because if that just like gets massively incremented uh how can that go wrong the answer is it can't oh actually uh where are you weighted dice this guy the number of dice times 20 oh actually although how much does this weight the dice let's try it out [Music] because if it weights it a lot if suddenly it means that we're rolling at 50 of the time [Music] soon we will be just mega in the money i might still uh add the weight to my 20 side here so he's at 99. is that a cap oh if there if that is capped that's bad [Music] i hope it listen often does that oh that weight symbol looks like it's coming up a lot okay right we are actually making some serious serious bucks uh can i look at my dice oh 99 is the limit that's kind of uncool did not want that uh replaces the dice face with a face of your choice uh with a multi-face multiplier when rolled this will have value okay that just sounds mega complicated set all dice faces choose a numeric dice face all faces will be set to the chosen value uh i guess like if that's not a numeric value changing all of these to 99 makes this guy pretty consistent [Music] so okay so every dice roll oh okay that's actually pretty good like a hundred dice rolls is like 10 grand well nine grand almost okay this will feel like pretty pretty good oh i'm sad that we're running out of numbers wish we had more of those uh okay we can't upgrade you anymore i won this dice breeder adds a standard die every 50 like 50 rolls god you want that like early though uh it's a dice oh random faces value 1 to 99 come on in turn the party 76. oh wait if all the faces are random numbers okay that's kind of fun i like seeing all the little blips all my blips go into the hole you sir come right you dice breeder 50 dice rolls gives me a new dice maybe i don't know how like complicated the builds are that you can do here wait do they not even read that properly we've definitely rolled over 50 times right sir what do you do that's a thing every 50 maybe uh what else do you have going on how much is uh rerolls are free kind of have a thing no dice booster as a dice with faces dice quantity multiplier okay that's pretty good or nice adder okay oh that's a good dice yahtzee increases when you roll a yahtzee all numeric values uh on all five dice will be increased by three that's sort of fun i like i like a little bit of yahtzee it's go some points although we always used to play this game called twos and falls which i don't know where it came from oh we finally got one okay right so this is actually rolling it is generating more dice but [Music] uh yeah it was the different faces that's why i wasn't um wasn't going anywhere uh yeah let's let's buy a yahtzee why not how should we go okay we probably want some like crappy dice that sort of do buffs on our other dice getting those like dice quantity guys feel really strong whenever dice is added for any reason add an additional dice i love that a big fan one percent to get oh 77 000 oh i oh i want that i want that so badly if it comes in even once uh hold on you're running low on rolls it might be time to stop purchasing upgrades from the shop and let your dice roll out transform and roll out uh i don't i don't know if i do want to do that i want to save up for you although the odds of us like pulling it off oh man but imagine okay all right what was it uh something around this that was only 63 000. god the odds the odds of this just a nightmare can i put it here nice okay so it gets the weight [Music] so with the weight combined oh no 77 000. [Music] okay if it rolls at 50 it looks like it's more than 50 of the time this could pay off [Music] i'm gonna guess oh maybe it's 50 it seems like bounce around do we have another one of those four leaf clovers maybe that would actually have value for us uh oh my god these are they're just so many more complicated dice i'm just here for oh what is this glow this rear old it gets stuck on the glued face uh for rerolls is that wild places uh dice face of your choice with a wild face when rolled this face will have the same value as your best 10 000 [Music] oh 100 chance i'll say the weight oh god i probably should have seen that before uh okay right there are so many things that i've just not really seen um i'm after oh man get another one yeah uh hold that [Music] come on 77 000 please [Music] uh just one time the odds are unlikely we're just waiting for this to super jump up come on 30 rolls oh you're saying that you're ready but actually i probably don't want to do that do you have i saw that like lucky lucky boy is he super rare man i wonder like how the uh how many builds there are that you could actually kind of like go with this if there are like kind of um styles what are these why we're going free whenever you purchase an upgrade from the store another cheaper upgrade we'll have cost reduced to one wow that's actually pretty pretty legit i've now spent actually spending my cash which is less good combine face multipliers for purchase face multipliers no longer replace existing multipliers instead they'll be added together oh my god wow okay i feel like we're not going to walk away with the high score ever please just one seventy seven thousand [Music] don't destroy my dreams not today of all days come on the odds are so low [Music] and again [Music] and again please the final roll one last roll would it come good okay 93 000 feels like a terrible score my previous record previous record was zero well you know it's infinitely better than my previous score you take that i don't know what the is there like a world score let's play name who's tom [Music] uh [Music] oh my god oh my god look at these look at these valleys people have gotten i wish you could like see see what they had see what their builds were uh but wow super cool a bam so uh this has been brawl everybody uh i hope you enjoyed it um it's available on steam it's pretty cheap um man maybe check it out see if you can do better than me i'm pretty sure you can i don't think i managed to lapse onto the nuances of this game very well at all until next time everybody see ya [Music]
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Channel: Angory Tom
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Published: Tue Oct 19 2021
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