I Agree with Subramanian Swamy

and welcome to is laundry today we have with us the president of the junta party mr. Subramanyam Swamy so before we move on through many other things you know talk about he was saying something about the economy the mess the economy is in yes you think it's similar than anyone was you it's not it's a different kind see there the problem arose when I took over as Commerce Minister and Syria most Minister at that time the problem was that when Rajiv became Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister he couldn't dismantle the Soviet system Soviet module which we had adopted so what he did was he opened it up by saying to the business community that you can import from abroad provided you take the money abroad I mean in forms of loan now what these business people in this craze to get new machines and so on because they've been denied all these years at the Soviet system they took short term loans and bought long gestation period machines you see so we ran out of money I mean foreign exchange and that was the crisis and it was compounded by the Gulf War one and so on so when we came the I thought that the first thing i we had to do is first of all get some money which we caught by essentially locating the Americans by allowing their planes to land for refueling in India they helped us get a big fat loan from the IMF in those days two billion dollars a lot of money the Manmohan Singh have anything to do with no no one more serious is that time a civil servant he came in as advisor economic adviser to our government and Montague Singh was my Commerce Secretary considering you were on the same team so just young how is it that you are so anti the government now I mean you would once working with the same people weren't you well not only I was my I was a minister because Rajiv Gandhi extended support and now Sonia Gandhi again yeah so I must have found out something about Sonia Gandhi which makes me which I'll come I don't mind telling you what it is but I don't know be able to show it no I mean it's on your website you have an edge that's right I mean some people say it's I mean it's bizarre the kind of claims um well I mean I think you have all the two things I have working here Supreme Court's one you have accused Oviatt KGB agent yes she has received money from KGB and she has worked for the KGB yes how come your websites been taken down a couple simple it's one taken down taken down or not taken nah yeah how can you take it down I'll go to court so this is on your website that will give me more publicity right now they have managed to see that all these under the usual media doesn't utter a word of all this can you prove this through what to you claims no as an in court I mean like let's say the III I went to the court oh yeah I got a quote I don't have to prove this I there I would love to show that is my fundamental rise has been taken over and I'm said anything we shall disturb public order but did I prove on her KGB I went to court I file it in Delhi High Court in the year 2000 the Delhi High Court issued notice to the CBI go and find out cbi went to moscow and if you interviewer just one thing he will tell you that he too wrote a letter to the Russians and the Russians said yes we can give you the original the documentation but you must get a letter rogatory if you think that is we have not completed so if you get a letter auguri so the CBI came and reported to the court that to get a letter rogatory from an Indian code to be give it to a Russian Court you need n F IR to be registered so we will take instructions from the government otherwise my government refused to register it why's that you asked devised my government don't ask me okay why do you think the media doesn't take this up I mean you you have criticized just just took second you criticized me D on several counts on they don't take up you know some of the major yeah yeah since we are primarily mediocrity a website why is it that the media won't take this up but they are all vulnerable to to to predators in the government they have many things to hide some some of your editors have proportionate assets which they can't explain away they have large number of houses which they couldn't have bought on their salary on their salaries some of them want junkets from the government some other want scoops from the government you know the variety of reasons some people run their television companies has done a lot of cutting corners I know one television company which is involved in the 2g matter and they're sitting on a Cat on a Hot Tin Roof so they're it's a they they're vulnerable you can't fight corruption in this country unless you are squeaky clean that is negative when you can find uh-huh and no one is that's what you're saying no I am edia know very few I mean I mean at the management level where they call the shots I know media people get SMS from wretches Amram don't show swami on the TV some Oliver there's some other reporters I've shown me these sms's so it's a little man Ahmad Patel they they miss Sonia Gandhi will not invite you for dinner unless you unless you are you know saying very flattering things about her including how great a scholar she is even though she has passed the fifth class okay you wrote a piece in the DNA yes where you have spoken about Muslims having a Hindu ancestry yeah and in the age you'll admit to it that's right oh why is that important item gets important because it you actually even suggested I think that that - it should be compulsory for them to acknowledge their ancestral heritage I said they should be should acknowledge that their ancestors are Hindus otherwise you should have a voting right that's what you said that was the octopus objection wasn't that a bit much well it depends on how you see our history how you even will do that no that's a different matter I'll have to be in in a party which is comes to absolute majority okay let's say there so what you're going to have let's say there's some Muslims who say okay we acknowledge our Indo ancestry some days that we don't so they were a star like what not the one you have to declare another on the rota form we say voting a householder was not a fundamental right it's just a right but how is it even important it's important because it creates an identity for India that we are a nation of Hindus and those who ancestors are Hindus and brings us closer together but technically let's say there are some whose ancestors aren't it's possible I know I was someone who's come from Saudi Arabians and law you mean freshly let's say their forefathers came from Saudi Arabia settle down here let's say a couple came from Saudi Arabia how long and they brought Saudi women with them yeah it's not possible no I'm just hi do you want to check every deal no no it's not a question DNA if everyone if your person says I am NOT I am I'm not and I you know what I do think that I can do to him is not to give him the right to vote that's all I mean I let him be he can be an Indian citizen I have no objection what does that achieve what is it it creates an identity for India which I told you India is a national of Hindus and those others who acknowledge the ancestors in those we are continuing civilization sure know what I'm trying to figure is that some of the issues that you take up uh you know pure academically you back it with documents such as the 2g case you have what the to GK is very successful in here but on the other hand at least from where I see it some of these demands up way bizarre I mean like this Muslim demand IV I don't even understand how you can even I don't know what you do it I mean how would you actually send anything I told you all you have to tell the Election Commission is don't register anybody who doesn't declare that either is a Hindu or that design sir sir induce does it apply for Sikhs and Christians as well or just think these Sikhs and Christians of the other than any other I mean they will openly acknowledge it they won't say that we are Hindus but they are openly acknowledges I insisted they are you religious man me it depends on how do you define it you are why oh yeah certainly do what else your temples noms no temples really I mean I go for political purposes like some temple is taken over by the state so they will invite me most people think so what do you pray for like what what's what's in your friend don't you think that's weird personal exactly it is religion is the Reapers all religion is not that's my point reaction is personal when you ask me what I pray for religion is not possible you can declare your religion but if you don't want to that's no one let's that's a desert form and they say I'm not I'm not saying that you're then you say that your ancestors or your father mother were Hindus or your grandfather were Hindus a great game for the way what if no one was no one no non acknowledged religion yes I don't know what for you sorry no word for you so suppose you're an orphan and you don't know where you came from well we'll tell them if I don't vote yet no no is if you're an orphan you don't know where you came from I can make some special dispensation if someone who was an orphan then you have to prove being - will be exempt you see a man is mental mental mental patient even or no which one would often that man so I'm saying I can make exceptions okay don't make it ridiculous by pushing not to exceed I know I honestly do think it's right by the way this was not a proposal this is a proposal of mine I wasn't saying that if the Muslims don't agree then run a riot I said if you are in a position to do it we'll do it because I'll tell you another thing which I have left out when we divided India we divided India between those Muslims who once we when you say we divided that is the Communist Party which represented us okay you have a definitional problem I don't know I was a general professor used to definitions when we do I agreed to divide India at that time the question became that a part of India should be given to those who don't want to live with Hindus okay that's a I mean even you can't deny that history yes no that they were not a country no no they they said you know no there it is you read Jinnah speech he said I can't live with that but as a Muslim I have any very Muslim Lee no no no you said Muslims cannot you accepted that he was the leader of Muslim yato so he said Muslims cannot live lonely Muslims he said Muslims cannot be with him no other want things only Muslims yeah wasn't there anything the other communities no no I would accept it yeah I don't know you know what happens to Saudi in in Saudi Arabia sure do think them when minorities can build a temple there what am i or a church there so he said that day I need a separate country now this is accepted now once you accept that separateness that there are those Muslims who felt they had nothing to do with Hindus should be given another country so those who live in our country they must have some identification with the with the Hindus I I reject the this modern Western liberal nerubian concept that India is a Republican and secular is all nonsensical words say I don't know what it means and neither do you just to bandy it about if you want we can have a debate on secularism we do that ah but what I had you see India is an ancient nation it's not a nation which was put together by the British all right so what is that ancient nations a Hindu culture it's not a Hindu religious culture if I say all tribals are also plot am i - no my traditionally many of them to acknowledge their yeah I try no you take me to meet them if they must be Maori so they must belong to your question gang you see I did the tribals I meet they in fact say Rams energy is like us because we used bow and arrow he used Bernero and our wives are constantly kidnapped like Ram to the Jesus kidnap not Allah the Hanyu is whenever that doesn't know I'm not I'm talking about what the tribals tell me you don't have to be you know no I mean that's it doesn't if you're going to argue with me then I will need the few days I think you know when you have a system we have a system called Shastra our sanskritic system you argue and if you lose then you get you have to convert to my okay that's all to that that's how Hinduism converted Buddhism as an argument whetted Buddhism as an abode assign those they made the moon the Hindus know we were a Buddhist country at one stage and char Acharya made the most made us all Hindus Shankara Renaissance of Hindus yeah Adi Shankara yeah that is by discussion and the final guru of the Buddhist so what you go to each person and debate with them you know you went to all the prominent leaders who represent this our society I see I see okay um when you speak about the media not taking up issues you have also put out that you've gone addressed a lot of gatherings you've addressed a lot of it yeah yeah but the media doesn't take that off not only that is it see listen there is their Lord blotto interests which were hmm I'm not saying that the media is not a black-and-white picture there Lauren to see work the businessman are there supposing there's a crop businessman whom I'm exposing and he's very powerful say to like the embodies hmm then what he does is he ensures that his influence in the media some of the media II have tried to take on the money's in any case I have you you you're a kid do you know you don't know what has always happened in this thing right here mm okay I went to court and I also got them I mean prevented them from being listed in the New York Stock Exchange and why was that or because their disclosure standards are not be international I see I know these the board of directors of stock market makers couple exchanged and invited me for a luncheon meeting mm-hmm when I made out this case now when you say the IPL should be stopped I am saying that these businessmen try to be haven't sure they'd know there's nobody with him of course there are others also Congress party particularly now would like to may God I am alone I say bizarre things which you you also resize there are some like I qualified some is IP personalizing something you say bizarre and I said I don't think it is possible to make every person on in this country say that yes I said my ancestry I don't like I said they may be orphans any people who did all kind person I did I was told that nobody will give up socialism in a poor country like India people give it up willingly I was told that democracy is not something that the people of India care for in the emergency when I was fighting I don't know you I don't know either you were born in 77 I was not too easily yeah all right you didn't know anything about what's going on and it was I who was one of the fighters in fact I was the fighter but but and and the people voted for our democracy sure but at the same time what I'm saying is a person who has said three things that are correct doesn't mean everything I'm not saying that I mean valuable listen it's an honest thing uh no no I'm just saying don't say I don't I am only judge not possible to be wrong to sure can't be judgmental you know on this matter and say that this is bizarre well it may be bizarre to you but all these days it may you may yourself turn around like many people have done now today I would say large members I would say seventy eighty percent of this country thinks that what I'm saying is correct on every issue in the issue of course corruption issue on every issue I speak on I I can tell you this is the impression I get so we'll see um another thing that I want to speak about is a your economic fix for yeah yeah present yeah you're saying it's very different from 91 today the problem is different it's a bankruptcy of the government the government has the problem as a reason because there is a dark dire key today by that I mean the two sources centers of power one is headed by Miss Donna Andy who's primarily interested in populist measures and the other is mr. prime minister with the office of the Prime Minister which is not able to exercise and you know overrule the views of a body which has really no constitutional status it's a it's a it's a statutory body myself man on one thing is not able to do anything which which in his calm if he had a good boss he would do which he did when a simmer out was his boss so he works well under under a yandere enlightened boss he's not leader material it's not a question of leader he says he's just done that was fine and you need spine to be a man who'll bring about change you can be a leader there are lot of leaders whom I have know a very poor opinion about like Java la de rue I thought I think one man Singh was better than Java lal nehru but you know that's a different matter I don't wanna go to those comparisons at this stage if I were today asked to produce a package the step one would be abolishing by income tax I say she and to compensate that for that I would cancel all the licenses given for coal and an option them auctioned them you have every resource and of course is ultimately that see so today and then you see if you bring out an ordinance nationalizing all the bank accounts of Indian citizens in in secret bank for areas there were 70 of them or 77 of them and say that anyone who can prove that his account is legitimate and the money is legitimate will de freeze it and give it back then you will get about 70 lakh crore rupees back to where does that figure come from is there any it's a it's a fact or figure you wait for my next book you will get yes its scientific we are economists who have been trained in mathematics of course the RAM take over the figure of say I around them see Ram Dave I don't know II didn't take it from me I mean I mean I'm wondering that is like no 70 lakh crores is my estimate I see oh and it's he's offending us so I'm not a very very close friend good Fred you have been closing I'd just ask I full disclosure I am a sympathizer he demon and oh there's not like I can see from here your viewer your long hair beard look at that means I'm an excellent one is that no it is a necessary condition not sufficient condition maybe I just don't like bleeds then I just told you there's a necessary condition not sufficient condition you know the difference and Bhushan doesn't have a sham patient doesn't have a Vietnamese and not slight definitely okay well why is this complete this data they all Naxalites I mean that's that's an extremist today we use your mutual they have complete disdain for politicians are complete disdain for them they don't have computers is what they do by the way they like that okay Kejriwal every very speaks against no no because there's a lot you Richard yeah yeah yeah yeah okay well because you are not there when the decisions are being bent which is never come pop like it's anything else oh yeah is not said anything is me in public of course that still looks like style can see it's just like this all the time quality one lies next to like aha certainly a killing baby is not consider Manisha's Odia is it yes I either looks like yeah Android means just disruption STC they're all there's no business of that unless you have a new law nothing can happen I proved that is false Raja's out you know that's right so what he's not out he's on bail there is something called the end of democracy have you heard of it of course I mean actually being acts like it doesn't come spontaneously to you to think of bail here being back in jail the energy and comfort about that oh absolutely and who else like cuz well I'm working on seeing that Chism also goes you think that'll happen I think so the case is very strong so I'm going to Supreme Court the reserved orders let's see what theyíre saying thank you from one Naxalite thank you for joy

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Length: 21min 42sec (1302 seconds)

Published: Sat Jun 16 2012