Howie Long On Tough Moments In Football, Derek's Carr's Next Stop & JJ Watt's Career

it's a nice set Seattle I have kind of sparse decorations in the back because you let the the Stoneworks speak a lot of my memorabilia was stolen by my son [Music] Racine Wisconsin hello why why not we're right in the middle there of Milwaukee and Chicago on Lake Michigan maybe they should play the AFC Championship there yeah it seems more geographically agreeable than Johnson dome stadium here Mercedes-Benz Dome it was always it was always going to be indoors come on better than Detroit no offense yeah probably better than Detroit the lighting in Detroit is tough make you know it's early in the Pod for that Atlantic I'm sorry stomach hurts anything about it literally strapped into a chair here yeah I'm sorry apology accepted Atlanta's is farther west than Detroit yeah so closer to Kansas City and that's um it isn't that something it is something favorite YouTube comment of the week it's a new feature that's a segment feature it's a feature of the show uh our YouTube is uh it's growing our YouTube presence is growing much to make in Chagrin well no I it was supposed to be a podcast and then it turned into a TV show I kind of get it yeah but because the other day Reed sent me a social and I look like a [ __ ] corpse the thing I didn't take into account is like the older we get and the better we get at this we're gonna have nicer equipment and we're going to be aging and the cameras get more like you know I think the thumbnails of you guys are electric yeah thanks some of the lighting issues we've had upstairs we looked pretty vibrant yeah and downstairs left so we're yeah we're we're still workshopping some things but no as you can tell I've morphed into wearing a mask the the Dahmer glasses the bigger the hatches get bigger so I hear you loud and clear so anyways we're on YouTube it's like a TV show and honestly it's funny because like somebody on Twitter said the other day he's like I prefer watching on YouTube um because I could see Kyle shoot you a look or you shoot Kyle look or you know macon's face or whatever and yeah I get that so hop on over to you know uh youtube.com and type in Greenlight podcast And subscribe but we're going to be giving out um the YouTube comment of the week uh this week it is uh I'll find the guy as I talk about it but the other day Kyle was in here and uh he was kind of he had pulled a piece of the the metal so we have these big telescopic arms and if you're on YouTube you can see yeah yeah they're like Mike microphones but they're like three foot long uh you know swiveling arms and there's these uh these metal pieces that you can pop off that are about uh say about nine inches long and um Kyle's using one as a toothpick but he really put this in his mouth it was in his mouth he was just chewing on it so somebody on you it was Mike old yes at 2244 Kyle proceeds to take a piece of the mic and maybe eat it the image was also used in the thumbnail see that's the stuff you can't get on the podcast so check out youtube.com so shout out to Mike all Mike all u-l-l-o oh nice Michael so his name is Michael OHL yeah it's no it's just Michael Mike I think he's doing a plan I think I thought that was funny that was pretty that was that was good you picked that up because I think sometimes when I'm hanging out with Kyle he's kind of like a wild animal there's only so long that he can he can like behave like a human and I think at that point the podcast he had been here like two hours and it was time to leave he's just start eating the things on the set yeah yeah you know a sign that the bear is agitated yeah I've got a grievance to air yeah sure so um especially of late I think it's been really good that um I I can only speak for myself I can lock in and just talk to you and forget about the podcast for a little while and I feel like that's where we get better and more entertaining not thinking about the words coming out but I just got this sense of of dread um that we got a big show because big house coming off Howie Long and then like anybody else big how he's not gonna be able to not listen to this episode no yeah yeah so the words coming out of my mouth and he is my podcast conscience he's my pod conscience yeah and so this is tough yeah it's it's um pressure pack scenario I want to sound smart funny I guess I sounded smart on the last one yeah we'll get there if y'all hadn't heard that you know the last 15 minutes or so the AP US History uh contest we had in the last show if y'all are interested in that congratulations yeah yeah you too I actually took a dive you knew it was Texas yeah I just didn't want you to go to the Super Bowl I just figured that it would be a lot of a lot of begging and pleading and then begging and pleading yeah um well all I did was reserve the right to not go I didn't it wasn't oh so you're not out yeah I'm not out all right hey Bonnaroo lineup came out the other day any chance no okay lower chance in the Super Bowl yeah yeah for sure music I'll do uh I'll do a double layup line today great we'll go uh we'll go Clementine first live in Portland that's a Grateful Dead song Beautiful uh not to be confused with Tangerine the Led Zeppelin song I made that mistake Freudian slept earlier but um in a bowl at one point if anybody's wondering if any anybody's wondering Clementine's much Superior fruit to Tangerine I don't know that I've had a tangerine yeah what's the big deal Tangerine Stuck in the Middle what's the new set decoration especially for the people on YouTube I saw you brought in some artwork yeah my kid did a stencil of a horse and uh wrote Chris and Dada at the top really one word it's more of a Chris Dada Chris Dada yeah so anyways a centerpiece for the and then the other one I was going to do was uh I think it was uh dust in a baggie what you were playing earlier yeah yeah Billy strings the string man string man who I won't be able to see because I'll be in Africa doing Kilimanjaro and he's coming to John Paul Jones Arena two nights oh [ __ ] me Reed you know I'm gonna say Kenny Chesney at John Paul Jones Arena are you ready 23rd yeah nice yeah might go a little dicey because it's a it's a sweet 16 Thursday you know if the who's are in the Big Apple or something that's that's uh that's tough that's what would you choose I don't even know that's a tough decision for you yeah this sounds awful you would show up one of those House Divided shirts if if I uh this sounds so entitled but since we hung the banner you know might can hold out for a final four I'm talking about actually going yeah a plan I would have to watch yeah you got to watch the very least um no shoes Nation on one side and you know [ __ ] uh saber on there yeah a majestic map Jersey yeah on the other yeah all right um can you uh can we retire the Stetson picture since we retire and put him in the round yeah he's got to join them we can still see him it's just bothering me a little bit yeah we have this pictures Stetson Bennett behind uh behind the set because making thinks he's hot wow and uh he's won that two national championships now and now he's gonna enter the workforce yeah uh um at 26 years old or whatever yeah so Pete Carroll that's layup line uh there is some stuff going on in the NFL Mike leflore has been fired oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Mike yeah guy in New York I just want to make sure everybody you know nobody spits out their drink at home I don't know what this says does it say they want a fresh start for Zach Wilson there's been kind of Rumblings that uh Zach Wilson is going to get a clean slate next year and they're going to give it one more try does it mean that they're gonna you know clear a path for a I don't know in the Nathaniel Hackett to lure Rogers to New York like if you're getting a veteran quarterback I feel like we're entering the era when like players can dictate who the coaches are yes not liking the NBA but you can say hey if you're a good enough quarterback like this is my guy and I'm not going to New York without him it could be a play for Lamar an offense that fits him better but I think when you look at their offense this year no matter who played quarterback they struggled and that was a sign to me like there's a lot of Mike White hype and all that but uh they just weren't that good no matter who was under Center so I'm not surprised that he's fired although I didn't hear a lot of chatter about this leading up to to his firing no it makes me think they have a Target like what you were saying like targeting an OC that can bring in a coordinator that can bring in a QB um well yeah a great defense they do you don't want to waste that what were they seven and two six and two something like that they were good feels like a long time ago would they be interested in Derek Carr you think would they be interested in Derek Carr I would think so I I don't know man like if I was the GM if I was Joe Douglas I don't know if I'd do that you know um it kind of depends on what the options are if it's Aaron Rodgers or Derek Carr it's Aaron Rodgers if it's Lamar Jackson or Derek Carr it's probably Lamar Jackson um I don't know I do think Derek Carr could be a decent mentor to Zach Wilson he seems like a stand-up dude he could be but if you're mentoring him like another year passes he's almost done with his rookie deal and you know time is now then you can make a decision on him but um a little bit more info you're gonna yeah Derek might just walk himself out the building you know right yeah yeah if you were if you were Derek Carr you'd be interested in the Jets because uh Derek's first season 2014 with the Raiders they have never ranked higher uh defensively than the bottom three in the league thought Derek Carr got a little bit too much hate like he definitely just polarizing figure um but you can't ignore the production you can't and uh your point is very valid so it'd be interesting to see him in a place that's got a defense that's set up for him that can let him sit for more than a few minutes no I wouldn't have Devonte Adams he wouldn't have Darren Waller Wilson and Bruce Hall so other news out of the AFC East if you call it news I think it's more of a rumor at this point I don't even know if it's substantiated but Mac Jones has asked for a trade um now although and I said this on the Eisen show I hope people when they listen at home like know that I'm kind of being hyperbolic sometimes and [ __ ] around but I called him an irredeemably dirty player um he is a dirty player but I was kind of being extreme uh I still like Mac Jones the quarterback I think Mac Jones the quarterback deserves another shot whether it's in New England or somewhere else um and it sounds like he wants to be traded and I understand it I do like the whole fan base wanted Bailey's happy um they legitimate rookie year you light it up you you lead the team to the doorsteps to the playoffs um of course you get you get yeah you get run out of the building in the playoffs but um it's not like he throws to a lot of great weapons I said this New England they're so good at just you know flying under the radar at the skill positions and and and making decisions that that they have to make and and not overextending themselves that you kind of forget that there's not a lot of talent there like Devonte Parker um Jacoby Myers the couple tight ends who haven't been as productive as or their paychecks yeah Thornton I mean like where would you rank that that cupboard for uh for a starting quarterback I mean the bottom third a league for sure so I like for Mac Jones I think it's Justified to say like listen like the fan base doesn't like me they like the other kid that that you know lost to the Packers in a close ball game scored 24 points or whatever it was um you set me up with Matt Patricia and Joe judge we've talked about this endlessly I think he's justified in asking for trade here's the [ __ ] up thing about Mac Jones Mac Jones could have been a 49er you know imagine they opted for him two years ago in the draft instead of Trey Lance they might be better off he might be better he'd definitely be better off and you know it's tantalizingly close for him um and so I think that you know if you're Mac Jones wanting to be traded is is not it's not an [ __ ] request if you're Josh McDaniels do you want to maybe reunite and trade for him I don't know if you're a team generally is there enough mac Jones tape that makes you feel good about spending resources on Mac Jones as opposed to taking a flyer on a on a rookie or yeah or the free agent Market well I mean to me there's going to be some teams that are in the middle that can't spend draft capital on a rookie quarterback and as we know that that class is not that deep and then there's going to be you know a little bit of musical chairs with Tom Brady with Aaron Rodgers possibly with Lamar but say somebody stays put say Lamar stays put say Roger stays put there's going to be teams that are going to want a veteran quarterback and although he's only in his second year as we speak now he'll be in his third year um I feel like I feel like he's a little bit less of a known commodity so you're betting on somebody who's not you know a known commodity like say a Derek Carr like I know who Derek Carr is the good things I know the bad things I know too I don't know what Mac Jones ceiling is was it his rookie year I don't know I don't necessarily think so but if you're like a Tennessee maybe instead of Tannehill Willis Dobbs Mac Jones yes more of a shirt yes if you're Seattle maybe we don't try to catch lightning in a bottle a second time with Geno more of a Mac Jones uh if if you're Seattle Gino and Mac Jones to me it's kind of anonymous yeah I mean like you already have the a year of chemistry with with DK with locket with those guys like the momentum um the the kind of year he had you'd have to unseat him for an unknown commodity with a really high ceiling or a veteran quarterback who's just playing better what about Baker and you're whatever it is in LA or Matt Jones Matt Jones okay I think that that would be something that Sean they might think twice about retiring if he could think Mike Jones and keep him out of the booth well it's someone to have those quick passes and you can kind of do you know a little more fun offense you were talking to me the other day like uh how he was like Jared Goff kind of held me back a little bit Yeah I think he's seen that Baker might not be able to get him where he needs to go you know again back that was fun for a couple weeks yeah jumping out of the gym for Baker and he turns around on a plane and wins that was the recovers you got Nickelodeon slimed if the Patriots were to trademac do you think they would get more than what they spent on him the first round 15th pick it's a good question I think it's less I think they get less I think I need to watch a Mac Jones highlight tape because it feels like a long time ago yeah but you know there's moments you know like and I can only judge a player on the context there are in and this isn't objectively not a you know a high-powered or fine-tuned offense you know I think most people would agree there are much better schemes to be in and there are much better uh wide receiver cores and you know skills skill position options for a quarterback than what he's had in New England so for that reason I would buy low and he was confident enough to cuss out coach Patricia on multiple times multiple occasions yep hey can I talk to you about bowling for a second sure yeah you were good enough to remark the other day I wasn't here of that both we went uh we didn't wear the bowling shoes yep um and and that I I won and you know Chris would be the first to tell you that I won oh yeah I think I was yeah that night did a lot for me yeah I'm I'm celebrating the new year on Dr King's day on Monday the 16th yeah I just needed a couple weeks to to get into gear okay good to know I'm gonna look back on that night for a long time yep uh first of all I thought a couple cats I thought Tom and Roe were were crushing it yeah I didn't think I had a shot I didn't think he did either but I finished Cowboy about spare spare spare nine spare strike something like that well he went on a real run you know I think somebody took a picture of the of the screen I might I might just post that I did thank you I appreciate that so what I did was I went with the lighter ball than all y'all yeah I think all y'all are kind of Meatheads y'all y'all work out a lot you lift weights that sort of stuff and you want to sling around the 2XL ball I went with the lighter ball I've never balled my fingers don't fit in the lighter ball I I yeah you got those dainty fingers I knew you're gonna say dainty but this one has a bunch of bumps in it from that softball injury you know so I went with the lighter ball I've never bowled before all right now now you're going to say hey hey mate you're a real charitable cat didn't you didn't didn't you have a a significant role in in a in a in a in a in a yeah you did in a non-profit that centered around a bowling event annually well yeah that's right but at that event I was glad handing kind of strain your rotator cuff you'll need that and uh roll off on the back I wasn't rolling the ball down the alley I was I was talking to the to the gracious donors yep so I haven't bowled since uh I was a pre-teen yeah at old oldest that's people say so it wasn't um anything too spectacular well it was spectacular damn it it was it was spectacular but I wasn't I wasn't overthinking it I was trying to think the same thing well here's what I said to myself when I towed the line I just said send it every time I said send it but I would just line up in the same place I would keep my arms straight and I'd release in the same place yeah some of you guys were trying different things every time you're up there I don't know what you're doing I got some notes Here Tom who rolled first he rolls a strike in frame number one and then he says hey y'all want to put any money on this I'm like nah dog you just rolled a strike no I said to be fair to Tom it was my idea to put money on it okay well I heard it from Tom hey 20 bucks 20 bucks a person and I was like um no on the principle of you have already rolled a strike and I didn't have a lot of confidence about myself read but if somebody else is already pitching a perfect game I'm not going to just donate 20 bucks to the cause so as I declined the invitation to gamble on the event and then turns out I win the thing lost out on 100 chickens yeah you did all y'all gave it to the second place cat yeah which I don't know and you you said no thanks and you know what that's fine Reed because more valuable than the hundred bucks was the confidence of that night game it was 147 by the way you said 146 yeah I [ __ ] it up so it was 147 and um I just had a great time and as it's an activity we're in an activity group yeah um that I won't soon forget and and and probably it'll it'll make me more inclined to do more activity with us with you guys as year goes along with two more bowling man yeah the national championship game was up on the big screen right above right above the pens Georgia won that game that's right uh we were talking uh Chris did not wear shoes were you also in that uh were you in his company now I wore shoes but they were my own and actually yeah that's what he's saying well I know but yeah my bad I uh I thought your movies read I um no I I didn't want to as Matt said I don't want to wear shoes that have been warm by the people that sort of thing but oh that's what it was for you okay but you listen to the pot but it was a social okay but a couple people down uh there's a gal wearing uh Crocs so you and I were walking up to get balls and then talking about shoes and I was like that she's in Crocs I don't think we need to wear the shoes we're fine and then someone's like oh you're gonna slip so what I did was I went up to the to the line and I did a little I did a little stutter stop and that wasn't gonna slip the whole time so no I was wearing I was wearing good I was wearing Nikes that's good yeah so that was the bowling who says we're gonna do bowling sorry on the green light pod how many points were you cleared second place by uh uh 11 I think that's pretty good yeah solid yeah thanks going in the final frame knowing it's a uh a win right well no no because that final frame is weird if you get a strike or a spare you keep on going that's right that's right so I didn't know how many times I was I started off my first roll listen to this my first roll one pin I knocked down one pin I mean what a Redemption story so you're really like man smart for not taking that bet what yes exactly in that moment exactly and there were like six of us I think I was in the four hole takes a while to get back to you once you're in the four hole but man I just I stayed focused some other cats were drinking alcohol and doing drugs not me I was locked in on that Georgia dogs ball game that they they go on to win that game 65-7 the lighting was harsh in there oh my gosh it was as bright as it is if I'm in a bowling alley I want it dimly lit so I can be high in peace it was I was I was on the edge of paranoia which is kind of where I like to be but not not in a in a in a bright room full of strangers yes you know it was so bright that it seemed as though somebody had messed up hey speaking of nobody [ __ ] with the Jesus um there's going to be a Passion of the Christ remake yeah I'm happy to see that what would you name it well it took a little while in my opinion to come out with the sequel It's not really representative of the time that he was down there you know what I mean in there right they should Yeah well yeah it was down and in was he down and in or just in I think he had to walk a little bit uphill down for three days isn't it like that's what I'm saying you got to have the set the sequel loaded up okay well but wait yeah but but it's been Mel Gibson didn't drop that heat last year it's been decades I don't mean to be uh offensive yeah or an idiot but he died on the cross yeah yeah so he was up yep and then they took him down but into a cave or was that Mary Magdalene tomb no yeah he went into the sealed sealed tomb seemed sealed cave yeah it was a cave yeah why didn't why didn't they just why didn't they hear the question how didn't he just how did he how how did he move the boulder to get to get out I think that was uh g-o-d moved up no I think that was Mary Magdalene well she she was like I gotta go see him I think something might have happened right and then he was like found the boulder moved Mary Magdalene was she had to be built moving to Boulder yeah yeah the burial of Jesus refers to the two men of the body of Jesus after crucifixion so we're right on all of this anyways he was placed in a tomb by a counselor of the name Joseph uh well that's according to the gospel of Mark asked Matthew it might be a different thing Matthew as Luke it might be a different thing so what are you naming that what are you naming the sequel the resurrection of Christ the resurrection of Christ it's good yup um to Passion to christist oh that's good Chase Serrano that was a Shea Serrano tweet oh good attribution by you yeah yeah that's good okay Passion of the Christ is one yeah home alone too he's in the he's in the cave alone yes the tomb okay Passion of the Christ one then home alone yeah Die Hard with a Vengeance yes moving this [ __ ] Boulder can't wait to tell them First Blood no no oh no oh you know the Godfather the godson he's the son of God that's good he's just die hard man yeah I know that's great yeah okay how many um how many disciples were there I don't know nine well 12 12. 13 was the bad guy right 12 12 Angry Men yeah Judas was was was um was side eyeing Judas was like one of these quarterbacks that gets benched and then Zach Wilson when everybody's like ah Mike White yeah [Music] all right so uh couldn't think of who to have on today that's not fair that's not fair because I was a part of this production meeting and we just yeah we did yesterday yeah we decided Howie Long and we followed a path that led us to Howie Long it wasn't a backup situation whatsoever it was that's right this would be the best guy to have on the show that's right I'm eating peanuts into the playoffs a legend a Hall of Famer we'll talk some playoffs his playoff games how are we along everybody [Music] it's a nice set see I don't I have kind of sparse decorations in the back because you let the Stoneworks speak a lot of my memorabilia was stolen by my son dad you want to open the pod and tell us about that since you really the memorabilia dad what happened uh well I had my Super Bowl trophy and you know it was I I bought you two Super Bowl trophies to commemorate your your victories and uh when I bought your two I bought those a duplicate of those two for me for my my library yeah and uh I came home off the road and the two Super Bowl duplicates of your Super Bowls were you've got two at home now and you have my two at uh at your studio okay but it's kind of a code break it's interesting it's kind of a code break to like you know like hey I go out and you know I didn't win them but I was on teams and we got the Super Bowl truck no no when Waylon and Luke win their first Super Bowl or World Series or you know uh spelling bee probably no no whatever whatever the biggest soccer gold whatever it's called the World Cup World Cup and and you and you end up getting those trophies just to kind of look at and say God that was just an amazing time what a what a remarkable God I can't believe my son won two Super Bowls that's just amazing that's what that's about do you have one for yourself a duplicate I don't know I have one I have one at the house yes we're gonna do a GoFundMe we're gonna start it right now it's a GoFundMe we're gonna get get him two Super Bowl trophies but that's really sweet that's a dad I know I kind of feel bad now you know like we might I might return them Hey listen I've got I've got cleats from the year that he won the MVP down a Coke Creek in the league thanks Dad keep it coming with with all the numbers that was the uh that was the drop here that was the year it dropped he was 13. things just kind of we figured it out we figured it out it helped that you had a guy run me until I cried Dad was hey that was listen you're a guy and I always tell people this you're a guy that uh no matter how hard I worked you you never you never blinked yeah macon's the same way in here he really didn't makin's the same way in here and I think that that moment was a turning moment for you yeah you know once you've been once you've taken yourself physically and mentally to that line that red line yes you know you know where you can go shout out to Ben delisandro Sandra I'm gonna sign a radon test kit and get it over to Howie so we can add to the memorabilia collection right right on toes kit yeah yeah that's good which is deadly serious it's an odorless gas yeah that comes up from the ground big how do you remember Chris and he's told it so many times that I forget the details was it hitting a home run but then missing home plate and being called out you know it was one of those deals where and and again it was the 13 year old year and you know this was a 12 year old year and and I think Chris we it wasn't something that we talked about but I'm sure he he wanted to hit a home run I hadn't hit a home run big tall kid hadn't hit a home run and he had a home run yet and the irony of it is that next year down at Coke Creek it was like the most ridiculous home run barrage you could possibly have to the point where the bases were loaded and they walked in yeah how many people can say that Barry Lamar bonds yeah that's about it long and I did it clean that's right he lit it up but I remember when they announced the MVP there was also a guy you know it's interesting people can just be kind of you know just bad people you know for whatever reason they're out there they're they're unhappy whatever uh he knows I'm standing like two feet from him and he says and the MVP of coke Creek is Chris long oh I didn't see that that guy definitely was filling out the scorecards and [ __ ] what's running through my head at that point because I'm I'm still wired a little tight uh is I'm in my head I'm punching him in the face but you know you just can't do that at a 13 year old baseball league good job yeah good job and good job not doing anything to the guy that called me out at home base sir the question was about missing home plate yeah and it was you know the Euphoria the you know it really was and his teammates were thrilled to death for him and they crowded around the plate that's why I messed home played and and somehow you know he was looking through the little legs and you you had to go out of your way to kind of it and and I think he couched it as a life's lesson you know it was good never forgotten it well no I mean much of My Success is due to Bruce Max said dad did I miss home plate you think you know I don't know I was I was so elated for you okay that I really wasn't paying attention to touching hope okay hey hey uh Bruce Max uh he was a stickler he was a stickler he was a tough he was uh he was a tough uh tough umpire dad uh the Skechers man did you see Nate's reaction when I opened the box of Skechers the Pokemon sketches that you had to go to poke to Skechers Asia to get I said I sent it to my my friend at Skechers who who kind of sets everything up Marcel and uh I said these are I want to qualify this these are two grown men well yeah the 14s were dead giveaway yeah you know yeah and I I don't get the Pokemon stuff I don't get it but he just was blown away I mean just childlike yeah yeah it was just you know you see something like that it just makes you smile that's so good yeah Nate loves Pokemon um all right I want to talk to you about a couple NFL deals before we dive back into your playoff history because you played a lot of playoff games we were looking at this holy Hellraisers that was a lot first things first JJ Watt retiring how do you kind of sum up his career and what kind of player he was in context of you know the history of the game and all the great defensive linemen that played JJ was I I think a unique player in in his body type he was he was big he was long he was he weighed enough to you know be able to go from a nine to a three uh which he does now or he did until he retired here at Arizona um I think the thing that really stands out it's like any player that you're going to categorize as a Hall of Fame player and Elite player I think you have to you have to be the best on the planet at what you do at your position uh for a period of time in your era and that's all you can do is control your error I mean you know we we look at things like the guy that is Joe Green was 275. and he's he's cocked on on the nose whether it's the ball hand side or or on on the offhand side uh that guy weighs 330 now um you know the game has changed it's bigger it's stronger it's faster and he was kind of a glimpse into the future and I think he was the best on the planet for a a significant period of time there and never kind of cheated it he always you know he always brought it and he was always prepared uh he's a guy that uh is a first ballot Hall of Famer in my mind you know that's a that's a kind of a a challenging process to go through the whole voting thing but I I think I can safely say he's a first ballot Hall of Famer whose name uh are you excited to see on the list of finalists this year Jared Allen Willie Anderson Ronde Barber Dwight Freeney Devin Hester Tori Holt Andre Johnson Albert Lewis uh Darrell Rivas Joe Thomas Zach Thomas DeMarcus Ware Reggie Wayne Patrick Willis and Darren Woodson the thing the thing that jumps out at you right away when you hear that list is that it's a really challenging process for the voters because you could make a case for each and every guy uh you know then I think things that factor in are you know and whether they should factor in or not whether you play on a team that has a bunch of Hall of Famers do they do they kind of lean towards you know putting people in from a team that doesn't necessarily have a lot of Hall of Famers or or the era that you played in like for example you look at Len Swann and John Stallworth Terry would throw 22 balls in a Super Bowl right um you know the ball is being thrown around the yard you know we're doing it more and more and it started when you know Kyle and really when Kyle and Howie were in high school where everything was spread it's you know wristbands and you know three four wide receivers you're in sub packages all the time and you're throwing the ball more than ever that inflates quarterbacks numbers that inflates wide receivers numbers uh is scoring uh it inflates all of that so you know I I'd like to think that if John Stallworth and Lynn Swann played today they'd have the same kind of monster numbers that the receivers today have so you know Jared Allen sacks and you know I I such a unique player size links he was kind of like he played like Gumby he was like Gumby he got in these he contorted his body and pass rush into such awkward positions that would be a challenge for anyone else you can make a case for everyone on that list and and there lies the challenge yeah you were talking about when things change the spread and everything and everybody was in the sub package it it's kind of rendered like your traditional off the ball linebacker kind of not extinct there's a few less yeah and that's what I think the first guy I think about is Dante Hightower you know like Dante Hightower could have played in the in the 90s in the early 90s and he and he thrived uh in this era but there's so few defenses that accommodate a guy like that um and it becomes a lot harder and harder you look at New England now yeah and you know you can look at their backers and you can always kind of tell a Bill Belichick you know and it's listen uh uh Sean Payton has a little bit of that to him with you know whatever the kind of prototype is whether it's a quarterback it's tight end can the tight end block the d-gap you know is he is he a threat in in the scene the linebacker can he do this and also do that uh I look at those New England backers and God they got a way to what what is what's the outside back away 270 oh yeah and obviously like hey you know being an outside backer and being an edge rusher they're they're kind of synonymous now uh but you know with like Dante and some of these bigger guys it's just harder to find the field you know and big men yeah and and so anyways I sidebar but you you mentioned Sean Payton you got to work with him all year I know that his name's swirling around uh with some of these coaching vacancies number one do you think he's serious about this number two I mean obviously he's somewhat serious about it where would you see him fitting and then number two uh how awesome was it to sit next to a guy who's got that offensive mind and kind of soak in some of the perspective that he brought to the table it was a lot of fun and Sean's a lot of fun and he's an energetic guy who you know has a ton going on in that head and uh you know you mentioned him as a kind of an offensive mind he's a bill parcell's disciple yeah um and and I think that kind of gives you a lot of kind of a clue of how he thinks you know don't draft a quarterback with anything but a 10 inch hand you know I want a b learner not you know I can do deal with a B learner I'd be minus c i you know I don't want to coach a player that I'm struggling every week to kind of get on the same page in in every conceivable situation it was fascinating to sit and talk with him every week in the avocado room you know between shows and in watching the games just his whole philosophy and ways that he tried to find in New Orleans an edge and you know it's it could be something as simple as whether it's sleep or travel or you know what it was always trying to find one more thing that would give us just a slight Edge I think wherever if he decides to go I think whatever team is fortunate enough to get him is is a team that at some point in the near future is going to be uh in the running for one playoffs and two you know a potential Super Bowl run the the perfect place and I'm not sure that it's going to open up I mean Brandon Staley is I think a really bright guy he's he really kind of epitomizes today's coaches where you know it's the numbers it's the you know I make a decision in this situation how much of it do I lean on my you know where's the defense can we stop them you know are we tired this that or the other thing factoring that into a decision you know like last week you know with nothing to gain playing those players as far as he did it it it it didn't to me it just didn't make sense and particularly with Bosa and Williams um you've got a quarterback like that who I think is I believe is a generational Talent uh I I think uh to a certain extent it was almost his stay at Oregon with the exception of the bowl game and the Senior Bowl and you know winning the MVP there where you kind of got to see what this guy could do it was like Michael Jordan and Dean Smith down in North Carolina how do you hold Michael Jordan under 20. well you playing Dean Smith's offense and you go four corners and yeah whatever yeah it's the equivalent of checking the ball down a million yeah this kid Justin Herbert is a generational player and not that his windows he's a young guy and the window is open and I hope it it stays open for a long time because we've got some great young quarterbacks you know but it's the rookie deal Joe Willie burrow and you know Patrick Mahomes does things that I I think we take I think like we take LeBron for granted I I really believe this he's so good he could be the MVP every year he does crazy stuff that you just take for granted because it's him and if anyone else had done it and and burrow is one of those guys where I think this week he said you know I love this time of the year it's you know it's it's it's the time when you know you you win and when are you go home and I play my best football in these situations you know I mean he's he's confident but you don't dislike him it's not in an arrogant way yeah and he just believes in himself which I think is really amazing we've got some great young quarterbacks but that that job for the Chargers I I think he has to win uh you know I I'd like to see him win a playoff game and I'm not sure what the organization does they're not a spendy Organization no I think Sean is always intrigued by great ownership great structure yeah uh you know it has to be an organization that you know you build a culture in you know and the culture has to be winning and players have to want to come there and be there and stay there uh I think he thinks that's important you know Denver's obviously from an ownership group but you know there's a lot of things the cap the lack of draft picks is Russell Dunn is is you know does he have more years can he get the best out of Russell I think he can uh Carolina's Another Place Dallas is an interesting place and I haven't talked to him about Dallas but you know Dallas is a talented team and Jerry's on the clock and you know it kind of reminds me of Al where you know Al Davis was as the you know he got to his later years the kind of passion to get it done now uh and if Dallas you know say where to stumble this week I'm not sure what would happen down there and yeah uh you know I'm a big fan of Mike McCarthy but I think you know Jerry's Jerry's on the clock you know in his mind and wants to win that fourth one under his Banner uh and you know he's had a he's played a big role in developing that team and they have a lot of talent uh does Sean want to go back to Sean Sean coach down there uh you know he knows what coach I I always say this I think you could make the case that Dallas is maybe the most challenging place to coach and it might be the most pressured quarterback in the league and I think that's for a number of reasons one it's America's team well we look at 30 million people you know whether you think they're America's team this depends on the week I don't know if you tune in on Mondays for our show but we have a segment called America's team only Kyle puts them in America's teams well I'm saying from a broadcast standpoint I know I know I know in a big game you could get 30 35 million people watching yes yes no the numbers are staggering and and I think if you're playing quarterback down there you're Chasing Ghosts yeah you know you're you're chasing Roger Staubach you're chasing Troy Aikman you're chasing championships and a lot of pressure but they haven't won one since you know I'm not sure the exact year but it's been a long time do you think Sean McVeigh makes a jump to TV this year I think I think Sean McVay is one of the most fascinating people I've ever sat and talked with I could talk with him for hours about football he lives eats breeds Sleeps football and you know players schemes you know uh history games he grew up in it obviously from a family standpoint I think he he's so intense and he pours so much into it I think he you know and this is just my gut on it that I think if if he's thinking about moving on it's once you've done it and it's you you're chasing perfect it's the Holy Grail it's unattainable and he's chasing that every day not just every week or every year and this has been a really really really challenging year for them yeah and I think he's a little bit maybe I think he's burnt out that's what I think I think you know it's some people look at it like oh young coach the whole thing like how could he be burnt out there's it's a long road growing up in football like he did and then coaching as an assistant until you get that head coaching job and like the emotional toll that even winning takes on an organization is uh it's it's not insignificant what were you going to say not just players but the staff members he's lost yeah he's lost players he's lost staff members it's been a challenge yeah no question you and I haven't talked about this but I think it's interesting that the narrative is making a jump to TV and maybe it's just because he's a really likable guy and not tucking tail and not wanting to coach through a rebuild yeah exactly because you look at a guy like Mike Tomlin who's been there forever and never had a season but they also don't operate like La has operated understood they're far more conservative and their program building kind of program and that's what they there's more continuity there and so I think that the toll the level of expectation is high but the tolls probably you know it's I hey look if he does it it's probably a great career no question no question yeah I'll throw a name at you John Madden John Madden wins that Super Bowl and um you know for a number of reasons you know it's one it's again he's a guy like McVay just poured his heart and soul into it he won 100 games in his first 10 years yeah uh and and you're you're pounding on that door uh of Pittsburgh to to get to the game yep you know and you've got Houston too you know teams like that there were teams that you know you think of and the Steelers dominated that era and you know the Immaculate Reception kind of was was opening up the door for them for a kind of a dynasty and I think we can all name 90 of the players on both sides of the ball that started for the Steelers they're they will live on forever and Franco you know God Rest his soul was such a good man and such an ambassador for that team and league and you know he was always a gentleman and and was nice and kind to the Bellman and as he was the president of a company uh just a good man yeah he was cool I met him backstage at um one of the NFL honors things and he was so down to earth it was crazy um okay Derek Carr stick with the Oakland Raiders you mentioned John Madden the Oakland Raiders the Las Vegas Raiders uh next year the LA Raiders question Market quarterback Derek Carr pretty much saying goodbye that air is over how did you feel about how it all went down how how the Raiders did it and then also where do you think is it is a good fit for him next year and and who might fill that vacancy well I I how many quarterbacks have started this year started games I think it's like 66 or something 66 yeah wow yeah uh so you know people are looking for quarterbacks and and there are teams like you know for example the Jets or um you know there's a number of teams Seattle I'm not sure what they're going to do yeah he's in the final year of his contract there and he's had a he's had a nice year I don't I don't necessarily think Derek for me and and I don't want to speak for Derek New York is not I don't think the market for Derek you know it could be somewhere else maybe Carolina uh there are other teams that are are looking for a quarterback but I always handled I still really don't know you know he he leaves the building is he told to leave the building is it something that he requested after being benched and being told that he's not going to play you know I I know it was about four million dollars and you know I think that's obvious to anyone the question was did they not want him in the building you know Casey tripped and fell in the shower or you know he was on the elliptical machine and threw his back out and yeah you know we're on you're on the hook for 40 million dollars that being said I never understood the contract he signed um it was surprising to me for a guy that you know had been to a couple three Pro bowls and you know thrown for that many yards and you know all the things that he had done and and done in Oakland and and in L.A I'm not in La Oakland and Las Vegas um but the one thing that he did get was you know he has the right to approve any trade yeah so he's working from a position of power uh if they're going to keep they're gonna I'm sure they're gonna try to make a trade before that date I think it's in fact yeah yeah it's in February I think it's the 15th is it 15 something like that definitely puts a lot of pressure on them I I don't know if it could have been because I really don't know exactly the way it was handled um and you know Sean Payton talks about culture and you know it being a an important component to a football team in an organization and uh I hope it was handled the right way and uh like them don't like him whatever your whatever side you sit on he certainly you know deserves respect yeah and and you know the February date that you mention is significant for a number of reasons one if as the player yeah I'm in a position of power but I feel pretty powerless come April if one of these teams that I've requested to be traded to and it goes through is like Hey we're drafting a quarterback you know like sorry we didn't know he'd be here or uh you know it's just something yeah I'm sure they'd have to give up Capital to get him so you know he'd know he'd know which teams are threats to move up but stranger things have happened and that's a weird situation being traded in February I think they'd have to one they'd have to give up capital and two they'd have to sign him to a significant deal yeah and what does a significant deal look like I mean is it 35 Mill is it 40 mil yeah I don't know uh I don't know but I would think that the deal would be a better deal than the one he signed I think a year and a half ago yeah okay we're gonna play a game with you Dad you played in a lot of playoff games we pulled some of them uh Kingston you want to run this this portion sure okay uh we're basically going to give you a uh the year and the opponent in the playoffs and you try to guess what Las Vegas deemed the line all right Howie said the 82 season you guys played the Browns you won 27 to 10. and Cleveland quarterback Paul McDonald Had 281 yards do you think you were the favorites and if so by how much uh 82 is an interesting year I lived in a hotel in Oakland we moved to Los Angeles as a team but practiced in Oakland so every game as a side note was a road game oh that's interesting uh and I lived with Lyle Alzado in a hotel which was in and of itself a whole nother show but I would say we were favored probably by six oh he's close eight and a half yeah I could have opened at Six Browns got in there four and five they got a four and five out of the yeah yeah okay well it was a strike short and strike strike shortened year the Raiders were 9-0 against the spread as a road team I was nearly honest to God I was nearly broke uh because my check my rookie year was One Thousand Seven dollars after taxes yeah so this is year two yeah and I'm making 48 Grand yeah and um you know at that point I think I'm driving a used car and uh we we go on strike and you know uh the money dries up and you know you've got family members that need help and whatever and uh I just remember it was a fascinating year on a lot of levels you know the strike living in a hotel every game was on the road that was a team that probably should have went to the Super Bowl and and maybe won one we ended up winning the next year skip ahead a couple years here you went from one grand to 48 Grand no I my I was 38 48 58 68 78 88. wow yeah and my check after taxes was One Thousand Seven dollars uncle said but if you ingest if you adjust that for inflation okay so I'm making ten grand opening well check back in a day fast forward to what uh 84 season the Seahawks which I think we're your divisional rival at the time were hosting you guys for the playoff game uh lost unfortunately 13-7 gave up 126 yards to Dave dornick Dave dornick who is we gave up 100 101 126 rushing yards 126 rushing yards to Dave dornick who is now a dentist we gave up 126. I'm assuming is he a white dentist dad who a freaking dentist those trips and you you never experienced this and as loud as Seattle is now there that Kingdome uh our offensive line we were good for five six false starts five fumbles you know it was just one of those kind of places where you could be down 13 points in the first three minutes yeah uh I would say we were probably favored by three very close yeah you guys are favored by a point and a half okay which means they they didn't buy it it was a pick em and poor Dave dornick's name is actually Dan oh sorry but he is a dentist and as I alluded I call him Dr dornick I don't yeah I know yeah as I alluded to earlier he is a Caucasian running back uh okay go ahead to 1990 let me take this one 1990 you're playing The Bangles oh no no I won 85 because I got a question about this game Raiders Pats um you lost 27-20 of the pads you know what questions coming uh you had a fumble recovery and uh Matt melling connected on a right cross what happened what would happen was I'm from Boston and uh the I think it was the Boston Globe had written a story about you know how the Patriots never really you know took the time to take a hard look at local guys like Freddie smurless or you know myself and and uh you know said I was happy playing where I was and probably something sarcastic as a 24-25 year old and I'm we're playing the game and again that was another team that should have went you know we that was a game we lost and you know we end up turning I think we turned the ball over at the end of the game and but anyway there's this guy walking up and down the sidelines and he looked like he was drunk or something and he's yelling at me the whole game and you know normal size guy don't know who he is have no clue and after the game you know and I always wore my helmet until I got to the locker room it was just one of those legit isms you know and Matt Millen usually and Matt McMillan and I usually walked off the field together Randall Cobb and Aaron Rodgers well not like that you know I that was a that this was a different kind of thing yeah I got it if something goes down and things occasionally did go down yes um I've got my helmet on I'm walking towards the tunnel at the Coliseum that's a long tunnel it's a long walk up the tunnel actually is yeah and I see this guy out of the corner of my eye because you know I I've got the periphs going I'm my head's on a swivel and uh I see this guy coming towards me now I'm thinking to myself now this drunk's coming over to me I've had that situation twice at the Coliseum once was with you and the other was this time I wasn't sure you were the drunk yeah and this guy comes up he said how how you know I'm blowing him off he said you don't know who I am and I said no I don't and he said something like I own the team and then it dawned on me you know who he was and I and I I'm paraphrasing but I think I said something like well correct me if I'm wrong unless your dad died last night you don't own wine and he starts to reach I don't know where these coming to shake my hand or he's reached for me Matt doesn't know any of this and Matt sees him reaching for me and allegedly uh Matt clubs him in the head with his helmet and there's blood everywhere um literally and it turns out this guy is you know the pseudo owner he had owner's blood on you how many people can say that from the history of literally allegedly yeah that's a Charleston thing allegedly it's like the Avatar serum the remodeling up owner's blood that's incredible when you think about it you know here's Mac you know allegedly clubbing him in the head and you know it's a big deal I mean you just clubbed an owner in the head yeah and there's no charges there's no it's not if we had done that today we would be I don't know whether it's canceled or you'd be incarcerated incarcerated yeah well well not necessarily canceled and incarcerated plenty of guys have hit other people with helmets but you can bet an owner son would be pressing them charges one with your helmet yeah it's uh so you know the really the the kind of Full Circle part of the story is you know they they went on to sell the team and you know his business ended up being all the satellite trucks that you see at stadiums oh and I've seen him through the years and we've said hello you know grad your ill will towards him and you know I'm not sure he's probably thinking in his head boy I wish I was 260 and all right so what was the line in that game uh we were probably favored by six there you go you almost hit the nail right on the head there uh five and a half all right so uh let's go 91 Chiefs Raiders uh this went 10-6 Chiefs Steve deberg doing just enough to win I mean a lot it seems like I met a lot of those 10-6 games yeah buddy uh let me tell you yeah uh that was that that was was that at the Coliseum or was that yeah uh no I was in Kansas City yeah yeah uh that was Marty Ball yeah and you know we're gonna run it 40 times and we talk about the difference in eras we're gonna run the ball 40 times and and you know we're going to keep your offense off the field and you're going to make mistakes and I think it was one of those games so what do you think the line was I'm going to say chiefs by three again pretty close is Chiefs by five Chiefs by five what do you think the line was in 1991 I don't know that we have this line actually but more just talk to me about the 1991 game it goes 51-3 I'm sorry I'm even bringing it up Buffalo oh no you got a Super Bowl so like you know but one of the all-time greatest teams that never won a Super Bowl what was the scouting report on these guys and like what was it like playing them that was the game I fractured my hand yeah I remember this it's late Cincinnati and beat Cincinnati at the Coliseum and we went from 85 degrees to minus 23. and Bo also injured his hip in that game oh the hip injury yep damn and I remember my hand was broken in I think six places in my from the thumb down to the wrist and I had a hard cast on that night your mom and I were out in the garage at four in the morning with uh not that I knew anything about you know handy was not my middle name around the house but the only saw we had was my hand went blown up so much that it was you know turning purple from being swollen and the cast not allowing you know the extra room so we're in the garage at four in the morning trying to cut it off and we end up going up to Buffalo and everything that could go wrong went wrong and it was one of those games where you know you don't get I didn't get taken out of the game I mean it was we didn't rotate and I'm playing with that shattered hand in a cast that's like this big and that flight home I remember was uh we had to make an emergency landing in Cleveland we dumped fuel over the lake of course First Flight yep they weren't sure if the landing gear was frozen up or frozen down that's the definition of worst flight yeah and you know I'm saying to myself I'm gonna die Landing in Cleveland in Cleveland uh you know not where I pictured uh and I tried to remember when they had phones they used to have phones on the plane that you could put a credit card in and make a call I made a call and mom was shopping so I didn't get to say my goodbyes haha but what what time was that I went right into surgery the next day yeah and Dr Lane in Beverly Hills reconstructed my hand and uh still works it was listen that Buffalo team was great um they were great in a different place in a different time I think we played them the next year in La um I'm not sure if we played them the next year or you played them in 93 93 uh yep yep the bills were favored by seven bills won by six played them in the regular season the next year lost in overtime that that was kind of you know what the game should have looked like but it was one of those games where it was that old artificial turf yeah and and it was kind of a it had a a a dome to it in the center um and going down the side some of that turf was they just knew where all the spots were and our Corners were slipping and uh it was it was just one of those days and they had a great team they really did you think about the great players on that team Chris still friends with Jim Kelly although he tells you know his stories become kind of uh I'm not sure if you know we're we're the the real the real and the made up kind of yeah the lore yeah your dad's middle name is not handy but it is Moses and what he was trying to do with your mom in the garage at 4am was was depart the cast to relieve the pressure so what do you want to know about his middle name no it feels like a Segway no no no it's not it's just a it's just a really good play on on words by me hey big how happy birthday man how's uh house 63 you actually I'm shocked uh I'm good I'm I'm good and thankful to be here uh getting to see all these grandkids grow up and uh the they they just it's a joy it's a pleasure it's it's a treat I got mailbag for the big guy uh we're gonna rapid fire through these so we can get on with his day but um Adam lefko asks what would it take for you to grow out your hair for one season like one year and what would it do what would it do well my hair it goes like uh it's like it's like Danny Terrio from Saturday Night Fever just yeah you know it goes up and out and uh my head looks like uh looks like the blimp it's that thing that's big enough as it is so not gonna happen it's wavy and long will you ever grow a beard interesting uh I grew a beard for I think 3 000 miles to Graceland which is a great segue into the next uh mailbag question do you have any Kevin Costner stories from 3 000 miles to Graceland he he I tell you what he was great you know Kurt Russell and Kevin Costner or you know I think they're both athletes and and they they kind of have that mentality um he was very supportive and and giving and you know he he was able to uh kind of guide me through some things that I had to do in the movie and uh was very supportive good guy really good guy who supported you as you carried out the uh the game plan on the deleted scene and that thing you do that we've been talking about on the uh on the show a lot where the people the burning question is are you were you Tom hanks's boyfriend in the movie or were y'all just Buddies I think that was the the kind of insinuation you know and I think because it was a Disney movie where where I'm in the director's cup and I'm not in I wasn't in the the release because you know Disney and even though there wasn't anything in the movie that would tangibly tell you you kind of got the impression that uh I was his boyfriend yeah that [ __ ] that should come up on the Pod you all do look similar when he has when he's got when he's got long hair lettuce grow now yeah yeah he's pulled up a really old picture you probably a year out of two years out of Charlestown Howie Long um all right the next one Speaking of just leaving Charlestown is do you remember working at the door at Peabody bar in Havertown PA you know I I'm not sure that I did work there I worked at Kelly's bar Kelly's bar they probably had it mixed up what was your job at Kelly's bar at Villanova what do you think my job was beating people up no no no no it was a million of us it was a Villanova you were collecting uh covered and your mom still to this day we were we were actually we went to dinner last night with Mike grozier and and another alumni from Villanova last night and we were talking about Kelly's because the guy who Mike had more than had worked there and it was the old Kelly's and it was dirty and grungy and you know it was a kind of a real character kind of bar and I worked the door and and I never let your mom in yeah that's good yeah I said look I I would worry about what's at the door I don't worry about you in the bar yeah that's that's that's that's a sharp play there uh dad um this is from me what's the coolest you've ever been hmm time and a place and why Peak cool Howie when was Peak cool Howie you know like to toot your own horns so just you could take a break I don't I don't know if it was cool but you know I I went through college and and lived lived at Villanova for four years you know Thanksgiving Christmas spring break summer school never went home um and you know wasn't thinking NFL and you know your mom and I were both surprised I mean the Raiders picked me in the second round I'm like wow um the coolest was probably you know you get your first paycheck I I never had a driver's license in college never had a checking account didn't have any money I had my meal card and uh you know what little I could Cobble together through working at Kelly's or whatever uh but you know buying that used Coupe DeVille in Tucson Arizona and driving to Oakland uh was was a really cool kind of moment uh you know I I don't I wasn't sure if I had arrived but I'm in the NFL I've got 38 Grand in my pocket my signing bonus was I think 80 and they gave me 40 and deferred the rest uh but I was on top of the world uh what color was the the car it was a used Coupe DeVille powder gray spoke wheels velor interior and it had an eight-track cassette deck the old big eight-track cassette deck so so what was playing because we were just me and Kyle were just on the Pod talking about this when we were in the Suburban it was shot a and when we were in the boat it was Tunnel of Love what was playing in 1982. probably Zeppelin yeah um you know uh anything from that error Pink Floyd uh could have been something like that you know low riding in Oakland yeah get over to the right yeah you're Elena and the irony of it is when we first got to LA in 82 we had an apartment that was literally on the runway at LAX and that pla that DC-10 or whatever it was would fly in at 10 o'clock at night and the the building would actually shake and mom was heading to law school and uh and when I was in training camp training camp at that time was like I think it was like five six weeks long and two days and all that and you know you're just keeping your head above water and Mom calls me crying from a pay phone in Playa del Rey well if you went down the road to the beach in Playa del Rey if you go left you head towards Manhattan Beach that's good if you head right that was kind of the rougher Beach and the used Coupe DeVille got stolen and your mom was stranded in the street oh [ __ ] and had nowhere to go oh no so that was the end of the coupe development damn I didn't know I got lifted oh damn all right here's another one from me how did you guys used to find out who was winning around the league like playoff time if you were in a tight race um you know because you didn't have the internet and freaking you know TVs to turn on and to see the games on TV like how did you find out about scores on the plane after a game um you know what I'm not sure that we did yeah and and I'm not sure you know you think about it there's no real cell phones at that time to any great extent I think maybe someone had a briefcase that had a cell phone in it that's so cool the guy on the team had one um wait that was a thing well early on it was you know I think it was in the 80s mid 80s you know 83 84 85 back kind of time right around when you were born and there was a there was literally a it came in a case and you know the the signal was shoddy at best but you know we had API the three networks that you know you know ABC CBS and NBC and uh I'm not sure if ESPN it was doing like if if it was around at that point in the early 80s it was doing tractor pulls and you know duck hunting and you know something like that uh didn't have any big contracts so communication was definitely limited uh but you know we didn't know any better at that time now you want everything everywhere and what's that movie everything everywhere all at once or oh yeah the one that yeah I tried to watch it it was crazy yeah I heard it was crazy but we didn't have that we it's like in college we had to pay phone in the hallway yeah and it was I think it was a quarter I've got one good break down the film on Kyle long as Studio analyst does he have the goods is he gonna unseat the old man I you know I was you know you kind of think you think they're going to be good doing it you know uh you guys have great personalities you're smart um but you don't know until you see it and I I wasn't sure in that kind of a an arena uh I think he just blew me away I was yeah he's freaking good it's like cow if if you work hard and take this seriously you could do this forever yeah Hey listen when I when I got into it you know this is our 29th season uh I had no way of knowing or thinking that it would be 29 years and I think Kyle if he takes care of himself and I always said if you take care of yourself physically and uh you do your job and do your work and I think you know I I think being on your show with you um it's it starts his week off and you know it he he wants to look at things that he probably wouldn't have looked at right a year ago he wants to look at game film he wants to look at the you know the the games and stay on top of everything and not just be a sound bite yeah yeah and that's hard to do I mean it really is around the clock and uh I think he's great at it man I think he he could do this for a long time as you put it um was there ever uh YouTube guys are both great well uh person I like to be right here Dad were you referring to me Howie or or just is Matt in the room no that's funny no that's funny was there ever a time in your career where you were really [ __ ] down about football you know in your pro career where you were like hey I can't take this [ __ ] anymore or 51-3 with a shattered hand yeah landing gears but at that point he's a great player he's he's that wasn't that wasn't it um I could always kind of compartmentalize you know I I I moved on from the bad but I never forgot it right um and I used it as my whole thing was I'm gonna go to work and I'm gonna do everything 10 times harder I'm gonna do 20 times more reps I'm going to stay after practice I'm gonna be before practice I'm gonna watch more film and in those days I was taking home a real to real projector and taping a sheet on the wall and poor mom I mean I'm doing the cut UPS of film and you know now everything's on an iPad and you have you know cut ups and breakdowns of inside runs third down short yardage goal line you know offense coming out two minute drill um low moment for me at the end towards the end when you know you get to surgery eight and you know the realization that what I have to do to try to be I I you know I always kind of said if I'm I I couldn't be average I didn't want to be average I didn't want to be a good player I want to be a great player and you know going out at the Pro Bowl my last year uh I was beat up and you know was shot up a number of times that year and you know ended up being a shoulder that you know needed to be replaced I remember I went to University of Virginia 20 years ago and they told me yeah this needs to be replaced and I kind of put it off and put it off put it off and it changed my life getting it replaced and you know the pain you're in all the time and trying to be great and anything short of that to me and not just on Sunday but I needed to be great in those days on Wednesday and Thursday because Wednesday and Thursday practice was practice you know live inside run pass rush goal line short yardage the whole thing and you had to be great all the time and I wasn't sure where we were going as a team uh and you know Chris was eight when I retired uh Kyle was four and how he was three and you know as as I've said to Chris and Chris is so much more present at home with Waylon and Luke I mean I'm listening to him trying to get them in the shower and you know taking the time to listen to Whalen who's you know that that that that that you know and you've got to take the time to listen to him and it's an important and I was there but in in a way I wasn't I was present but I wasn't because you know I played 13 years and never had a dollar guaranteed and you know the the weight of that on your shoulders to take care of your family is is really an enormous weight to carry uh and I didn't know where we were going we we sold our house in California we packed it up we moved to Charlottesville Virginia and a house that was vacant I think for eight nine years and was shot and uh we had one bathroom that worked and we didn't have a kitchen and it was an adventure and it was the the best move we've we've ever made and uh I'd like to think I was far more present post football than than during football no question but it's also really hard to be present during football I mean like I wasn't living check to check or you know I I had more of a safety net than you based upon kind of it's got to be great but you want to be as good as you can be you know and I think that's the thing that takes you away from and it sounds [ __ ] up to say but it does take you away from you know what's going on at home you know and probably one of the reasons why I waited to have kids because I just know hearing you talk about it you know it's just it's it's tough to be present when you're not in the building it's hard to be present in the off season you know like yeah July comes around and you watch it for years like you and me we'd be in Montana or whatever and you know like Dark Cloud over your head like mid-june it's just it's all right everybody else having a great time and just enjoy your day I can and no one you really can't understand that unless you've been there so you really can't because you put so much pressure on yourself to be the best version of you you can be you know forget about the money I talk about the money and not being guaranteed it was never about money no you want to be great it was about it was about respect yeah and it was about wanting to be the best I could be uh and you know and I I was in an organization where you know everywhere you look was greatness around you Ron wolf Al Davis Freddie bulletnikov Art Shell Gene Upshaw Ted Hendricks Jim Otto is in the building you know it's like on and on and on and these are guys that are their expectation is that you're you're the next guy to carry the torch and you've got to be that guy uh so yeah I I don't regret leaving when I did you know there were obviously Mr Davis felt I I retired prematurely and wanted me to play more and uh as it turns out you know you get the job at Fox I had the ability to coach little league baseball for eight years coach football for I think eight nine years and John Blake was kind enough to have me uh over during the week hey he got the job at Fork Union to be the athletic director did you hear about that yeah he texted us I'm happy for him John John uh and you know and that's what a coach you you think about people that have had impacts in your life and John is someone that you know impacted me and also had a great impact on on all three of our boys that's great closing the show out with a shout out to John Blake congratulations on uh on over as the ad at Fort Union Military Academy the uh the alma mater I guess you would say that of Eddie George uh and many others that you probably are a bunch of players yeah yeah Marcus probably knows more of them yeah so anyways Dad thanks for the time uh enjoy super Wild Card Weekend oh we can't let you leave without a Super Bowl prediction oh boy I thought I thought it was you know in and I think the recent kind of injuries and some of them you know when I was talking to Joe McCoy and Kathy back in Philly it it really puts it into perspective how magical and unique that run you guys made was and I remember that NFC Championship game and I remember you know being stuck and not being able to drive to the hotel and walking 10 blocks through what looked like what looked like The Purge in Philly and you know it was such a magical time getting there you know and it's what makes our game unique you know hockey basketball baseball it's best to five best of seven it's one game it's one week if you're off one day and you know I thought it was going to be Philly and it you know hopefully it still can be in in Jalen's house really tell people why you really wanted to be Philly uh to get home for two weeks to see the grandkids exactly yeah you know it's been a long it's been a long season and I'm watching these kids kind of grow before our eyes and you know your mom and I are sad yeah but you know for Philly it's it's tough to get there and I'd like to see them get there and I think San Francisco is probably I look at San Francisco they get Mitchell back they get Debo back you know Purdy has been a revelation and I think they knew kind of what they had early in Camp and the defense plays they play at a a speed and intensity that I think is hard to sustain over the course of the season they had the stumble versus you know Kansas City and you know that game was a a butt kicking and you know the great thing I like about them is they they own it uh they they they move on and they went on another run and the Raider game kind of woke them up a little bit again uh I I think if I had to pick I think San Francisco's probably if you're if you're being honest if you're being honest they're playing the best right now and they're one of the best the best right now I'm partial because Kyle played there uh and I like Andy Reid and I think Patrick Mahomes is amazing uh if they can get to that championship game and you know and I I if it's Buffalo I think they play in a neutral site uh that'll be interesting to see how that plays out but I think I would say Kansas City and and San Francisco in a rematch oh right on Reddit [Music] all right well that's a good call what do you think Chris well I I kind of feel the same way about Philly in San Francisco as you do um and I would say out of the AFC The Bangles yep yeah I really like the Bengals man I just like how complete they are I just I just love it and especially on defense like it's not a bunch of superstars they're ball aware they're [ __ ] they get after the run game like the guys in the back at a rumo yeah the guys in the back end they fly downhill DJ reader's awesome the whole thing and yeah how can you not love Joe burrow who's playing who the playoffs to me is about high pressure situations big conversions you know who's going to make the play at the sticks they got those guys man and they got the quarterback uh and they just got there last year they know how to do it they know how to do it last year they got hot they stayed hot so I don't know but here here's here's the issue the Right Guard the right tackle go down Kappa could be back but Kappa has isn't played that well this year the right tackle the right tackle is a concern for me yeah to concern not because he's been great in pass Pro or anything but just because it's a damn tackle FIFA is a player of the year I got Bosa I got Bosa and I got Chris Jones number two all five that's interesting I go miles Garrett number two nobody watches but the guy's like you know that's true you know it's he if he was on a good team this year he's probably he's a guy you take for granted you take him for granted no question no all right yeah I so there's a lot this is a great time of the year it's fun I'm psyched I'm psyched Dad I'll see you soon buddy love you love you man okay did you hate that making love you love you hey oh no no I love you see no I love you no no no he's gonna make it awkward Dad if you don't no we he and I love each other was good hey we're we're we're called day six he called Marcus Allen from the Rolodex when we were younger he's snuck into your office and and found Marcus Alice's number Marcus Allen's number in the Rolodex and called him just wanted to Marcus said anytime you want him on okay good we are that's good how about during the playoffs perfect yeah all right all right I'll tell you what that guy right there tough tough tough maybe the most complete player I ever played with oh wow wow I mean there wasn't anything he could do remember he played High School quarterback you look at his his passing attempts and you know some of the throws he made amazing great chip blocker great Blitz pickup guy and and he was Bo Jackson's fullback in that Legendary Run at the Kingdom oh wow yeah that's true people don't even notice that that's true who the pullback is yeah wow do it all I'll leave you with that okay ma'am I love you thanks we love you okay see you see you buddy listen to the full podcast on Spotify Apple podcasts and other podcast streaming platforms uh wherever you want to get the podcast you can get the podcast pretty simple new episodes every Monday Wednesday and Friday don't forget to like And subscribe for more content podcasts get 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Channel: Green Light with Chris Long

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Published: Fri Jan 13 2023