GLORIA: Hello everybody.
Welcome to the Believer's Voice of Victory. Pastor George
Pearsons back with us today and we
are going to hear some more good Word from
Pastor. GEORGE: Gloria, I'm so glad to be on this broadcast
with you. GLORIA: Well we enjoy it don't we, George? GEORGE: We
have been having a great time this week and this is day 369 of
all of the prosperity broadcasts that we've done and I'm just so
thrilled, and it's amazing to me. GLORIA: Three hundred sixty
nine. GEORGE: How many of these that we've done. GLORIA: It's
going to help people, George. GEORGE: It is and it has been
helping people. GLORIA: Good. GEORGE: As a matter of fact, I'd
like to read a testimony. GLORIA: Oh I'd love it. GEORGE:
I have one right here and this is from Deborah in New Mexico
and she writes, "I've been immersing myself in the Word of
God for about four years now." GLORIA: Praise God. GEORGE:
That's good. That's good. GLORIA: Oh yeah. GEORGE: "I
especially love Ms. Gloria and Pastor George's prosperity
messages." GLORIA: Oh, how sweet. Thank you so much.
GEORGE: "I have learned so much and I'm no longer afraid of what
the future might hold." GLORIA: Oh, that's a great testimony.
GEORGE: It is. "I have learned to trust God in all things."
GLORIA: Praise god. GEORGE: She said, "My daughter has been
attending university for the past four years. She'll be
graduating soon. My husband and I have put her through college
for the past four years debt free." GLORIA: Praise the Lord.
GEORGE: "When I look back, I cannot understand it how it was
possible, but I know that I live in the blessing." GLORIA: Yes.
GEORGE: "The Lord has provided more than enough." GLORIA: The
blessing. GEORGE: "I have declared out loud for the past
four years, 'My daughter's tuition is paid in full.'" She's
been saying that over and over and over again. "My daughter's
tuition is paid in full." She says, "My father has provided.
She recently received an $8,000 scholarship for her academic
excellence and dedication to her study. Praise God. His Word is
true. I know our future is bright because we know Him in
His Word and we know His love for us." She said, "I love
everyone at the Victory Channel too." GLORIA: Hallelujah.
GEORGE: Isn't that a great testimony? GLORIA: That's a
great testimony, George. That thrills me to know somebody's
getting it, acting on it, making it work. GEORGE: That's right.
They are. So we want your testimonies. If you send them to
us, just let us know what the Lord is doing in your life where
prosperity or anything else is concerned, healing, deliverance.
Send your testimonies to us. And I also want to let you know that
all of the outlines that Gloria and I are working from, all of
them that we've ever done, are homepage, click onto our picture
and it'll take them to not just this outline today or this week,
but every outline that we have done. Isn't that- GLORIA: I want
a copy of all of them myself. GEORGE: Isn't that really
something? GLORIA: Yeah it is. GEORGE: Wow. Wow. So we've been
talking about- GLORIA: People will be preaching this. GEORGE:
You and I've been talking about this week, how to make... how
our Heavenly... I can't. GLORIA: Da da da da da. GEORGE: Da da da
da. So we've been talking, I've been trying to talk this week
about our heavenly bank account and we've talked about already
how to make deposits into the heavenly account. We found out
that there are our bank accounts on earth, but there are also
bank accounts in Heaven, and if I might quote you, these are my
quotes just from this time that we've had together, but really
this week Gloria has come up with some really good ones. She
said, "Our heavenly bank account has a guaranteed return." She
said, "It is underwritten by the Word of God." GLORIA: That's
right. GEORGE: "Our heavenly bank account cannot fail. We
make deposits, we make withdrawals. Our heavenly bank
account operates on Heaven's economy, so that's why it can't
fail. It won't shut down." GLORIA: It's a heavenly bank
account. GEORGE: It's a what? GLORIA: A heavenly bank account.
GEORGE: I thought you said friendly bank account. I guess
it is that too. GLORIA: Friendly, yeah. GEORGE: But it
is. It's a heavenly bank account. We are not dependent on
the economic conditions around us. GLORIA: That's right.
GEORGE: The economic... the things that go on in the earth
cannot affect our bank account. I like what you said here, "If
you act on the Word, the money will be there." We also
discussed, one of the things we talked about was the different
ways to make deposits and one of them was tithing and you said,
"Not tithing is not smart." GLORIA: That's right. That's the
truth. GEORGE: And then let me see if I've got another one. Oh,
you also said, "Increase is on the horizon. Just like the
sunrise at dawn." GLORIA: I believe it. Every time you see
that, think about the horizon with the sun coming up. GEORGE:
Yep, every time. GLORIA: Increase, increase. GEORGE:
Increase, increase. Then you said, "You are not going to be
blessed at all if you're stingy." GLORIA: That is the
bottom line. That is the bottom line. GEORGE: So you've come up
with some really good ones this week. Gloria, if you would
please at the top of your page on your notes, go ahead and read
our foundation scripture if you would. GLORIA: Okay. GEORGE: And
comment as you go along if you wish. GLORIA: Okay. "Moreover,
as you Philippians know, in the early days of your acquaintance
with the Gospel when I set out from Macedonia, not one church
shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving except you
only. For even when I was in Thessalonica you sent me aid
again and again when I was in need. Not that I'm looking for a
gift, but I'm looking for what may be credited to your
account." That's Philippians 4:15 through 18 NIV 84. GEORGE:
So in that scripture we find a revelation that many people
don't realize, and what that is Gloria, in the last part I'm
looking for what might be credited to your account.
GLORIA: We've got an account. GEORGE: We have an account. We
have an account in Heaven. GLORIA: A blessing account.
GEORGE: A blessing account. It is, it is. And what I did here,
Gloria, was I wrote this paragraph, I'm going to read it
to you, but it really is the background in the story of how
you and Kenneth got out of debt. And what I did was I looked at
your book, because you write about it in God's Will Is
Prosperity. GLORIA: I can tell you've been reading it. GEORGE:
I have been reading this one. GLORIA: Or swatting flies with
it or something. GEORGE: No, this one has been on many
travels, but this is the original copy, the original
print that came out that you signed. Terri helped you with
the editing. I helped with the artwork. GLORIA: Thank you very
much. GEORGE: So you gave this to us and then this is the
original Laws of Prosperity book that I received information from
this. So what I did was I took those two books, I compared your
stories, and your stories really do link up together. GLORIA:
Good. GEORGE: Isn't that a good thing? So, okay, listen to this.
Kenneth and Gloria were living in Tulsa. This was back in 1967.
GLORIA: Okay. GEORGE: He was a preacher without a place to
preach and driving a worn out car with 95,000 hard miles.
GLORIA: Ninety five thousand hard miles. GEORGE: They had
children to take care of and college to pay for. Up to this
point, their financial track record was not good at all. They
owed people with no apparent way to ever pay them back. However,
after hearing Kenneth E. Hagin preach about faith from Mark
11:23, they decided to take action. They gathered up all
their debts, they listed every person and the amount they owed,
they calculated in great detail what it would take for them to
operate their household. They included a 15% pad in the budget
for extras. They determined what they needed in their immediate
future. All of this information was written on paper in a formal
prayer of agreement. Now you know what a prayer of agreement
is. GLORIA: I do. GEORGE: We've done that as well in terms of
writing out- GLORIA: We've used it many times. GEORGE: Writing
out an agreement and seeing the Lord bring things to pass.
GLORIA: When the two of you agree on earth as touching
anything- GEORGE: Anything. GLORIA: Shall come to pass and
be done for them by the Father in Heaven. GEORGE: That's right,
Matthew 18:18 and 19. GLORIA: That's a great scripture.
GEORGE: It's a wonderful scripture. GLORIA: It works for
healing. It works for money. It works for peace, joy. GEORGE:
When like you said, when two or more, like the Word said, two or
more are gathered together in my name. GLORIA: It works. GEORGE:
It works. GLORIA: There He is. Now where did we get to? GEORGE:
Okay, so we're starting off with the days went by. GLORIA: Before
they would sign their names to the agreement. We didn't know if
we had the nerve I guess. GEORGE: They prayed. GLORIA:
They prayed and fasted, they repented. We repented before God
for not being good representatives of the Lord
Jesus Christ. They agreed together according to Romans
13:8 that they would never borrow another dime. We
committed that we would never borrow money again. They
committed to God. We committed to God that we would pay back
every one we owed. There was a long line. GEORGE: There was a
long line. GLORIA: They continued, we continued to make
deposits into our heavenly bank account by faithfully, here's
the key, tithing and sowing seed. We released our- GEORGE:
Let me read this first. GLORIA: Go ahead. GEORGE: I think I
wrote to the side off of your column there. GLORIA: Yeah, you
did. GEORGE: You said they agreed together according to
Romans 13:8, and that was the important thing that you had a
scripture that you were standing on. GLORIA: And everything, we'd
always borrowed money for everything because we had no
money. GEORGE: Exactly. Exactly. So Romans 13:8 in the amplified,
I wrote that off to the side because that was the kicker.
GLORIA: Keep out of debt and owe no man anything except to love
one another. That's the Word of God. So that kind of shut the
door on anything else. That finished the deal in other
Words. GEORGE: It did. GLORIA: We had a plain Word and if we
were going to go against it, it wasn't going to work good.
GEORGE: Okay, so go ahead. GLORIA: They released, we
released, our faith and acted upon a "seven point bank of
Heaven withdrawal." The process took time, effort, prayer,
focus, and diligence. We saturated ourselves with the
Word of God and cut off every voice of the world. No TV,
newspapers, just the Word of God. But praise God, 12 months
from that day, every debt was paid in full and every need was
met. I'm telling you, we got serious, serious, serious, and
we didn't have... We don't have that problem now, but we started
out minus. GEORGE: Yeah. GLORIA: And had to come up to even.
GEORGE: You had to come up from the bottom of the barrel.
GLORIA: So we had to be diligent about it and we had to let go of
some things. We couldn't do everything we needed or wanted
to do. GEORGE: Right, right. And you focused your faith. GLORIA:
But we survived. GEORGE: Yeah. Well I like what you said and
that's a good quote. We got serious, serious, serious. You
were in a ranked number three serious. GLORIA: Three serious.
We were number three serious situation. GEORGE: Yeah. Yeah.
GLORIA: That's the truth. GEORGE: On a level of one to
three. GLORIA: We didn't have any way to get anything. Ken was
a... he didn't have a job. He had been going to school. I
didn't have a job. I'd been having babies. So it was
serious. GEORGE: It was serious business. So here's what we're
going to do, Gloria. Today and tomorrow we are going to go
through this seven point withdrawal. GLORIA: Good.
GEORGE: These are the points that you and Brother Copeland in
your books have listed out. So, how to make a withdrawal from
our heavenly account, and the first one. Go ahead and read the
first one if you would. GLORIA: Okay. James 1:5 through 6.
"Decide on the amount you need to withdraw." Verses 5 through
6, "If you lack wisdom, let him ask of God that giveth to all
men liberally and upbraideth not and it shall be given him. But
let him ask in faith, nothing wavering." Don't just pick some
number off the top of your head. Be exact, single-minded. Once
you have settled the amount, write it down. List your needs,
debts, desires. You want me to read all this, George? GEORGE:
No, let's start... Let's stop at that one. GLORIA: Okay. GEORGE:
That's the first step is to decide the amount on what you
need to withdraw from your account. Whenever you go to the
bank and you're making a withdrawal, there's a particular
amount of money that you're wanting to withdraw from that
account. Well, we have that if we've been tithing and investing
in the Gospel, giving to the poor, giving into the Gospel to
help the work in partnership. Then we have finances in our our
bank account, so we make a determination what is it that we
need to withdraw? And I know that what you and Kenneth did
was you listed out all of the debts, all of the people that
you owed and then you added a 15% pad to that of things that
you would need or extras that would come up. Terri and I have
done the very same thing in believing God. When we bought
the house from Missy, your sister, well then the house, we
wanted to renovate the house, add space to it and so forth. So
we wrote down what it was going to take to do that and made a
withdrawal from our heaven. GLORIA: You prayed and agreed on
it. GEORGE: We did. We prayed, we agreed on it, we were exact
about it. GLORIA: You called it in. GEORGE: We called it in.
GLORIA: That's what we do. GEORGE: We absolutely did. And
now here we are a number of years later, we are living in a
beautiful debt-free home. GLORIA: Wasn't it worth the
effort? GEORGE: It really was. We'd still be paying had we
borrowed the money. GLORIA: And still be under pressure. GEORGE:
And still be under pressure over that. And there's nothing...
I'll tell you, there's nothing quite like the freedom of being
debt-free. GLORIA: That's right. It is an awesome thing. GEORGE:
I remember Gloria, when I wrote the last check to pay off the
house and the freedom that I sent, I felt a literal lifting
on the inside. I felt like I felt like I hadn't felt before
because we had already always borrowed money for the house and
so forth. But now we're out of debt. GLORIA: Yeah. GEORGE: We
don't owe anybody anything. And we- GLORIA: It's like getting
whatever the amount of money that you had to... that you got
out of, it's like getting a free pass of money. GEORGE: It really
is. GLORIA: Like a bag of money. GEORGE: It really is. GLORIA:
Say it was $1500 you needed to do that. When you got the... You
believed it in and got the $1500, there's freedom there.
There's freedom there. You'll never forget it. GEORGE: Yep.
GLORIA: Praise God. GEORGE: And it is. And again, I'm so
grateful that you and Kenneth made that decision a long time
ago where this ministry is concerned. GLORIA: We didn't ask
anything. GEORGE: And so we don't- GLORIA: We had an old
car, little rent house down by the river. GEORGE: Yes, yes.
GLORIA: And no cash. We never went hungry. We had enough money
to buy food. GEORGE: Yeah. So you did that. You decide the
amount you need to withdraw. All right, let's go to the second
step here. Go ahead and read that one. GLORIA: Get in
agreement with people of like faith, verses 19 through 20.
"Again," this is quote, "Again, I say unto you that if two of
you shall agree on earth as touching," what? "Anything."
GEORGE: Anything. GLORIA: "That they shall ask it shall be done
for them of my Father, which is in Heaven. For where two or
three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst
of them." Jesus is in the midst to help you do it, to carry it
out if you release your faith. Our agreement will come to pass
if we refuse to relent in our agreement together. We will not
let go of our agreement, we didn't. GEORGE: No, you didn't.
GLORIA: We didn't let go of it. GEORGE: When you and Kenneth
that year, and it was really, it was less than 12 months. I had
12 months in my notes, but I looked back on it. It was less
than 12 months. GLORIA: Good. GEORGE: That you were out of
debt, but you guys really... You came into agreement with each
other. GLORIA: We didn't have... We didn't owe money on a nice
house and nice car. We didn't have anything. So all we had
were the bare necessities, but we found out we don't have to
borrow money. We can get out of debt. And so then after you wipe
that out, then you start building on the things that you
want to have and you believe for. GEORGE: Yep. We did that.
GLORIA: Claim what you need by faith. GEORGE: Well let me
finish with the get in agreement with people of like faith.
That's the important thing that you did. You and Kenneth were in
agreement with each other. GLORIA: We were. GEORGE: Many
years ago, Terri and I had a house and we actually paid off
the debt on the house and the Lord led us to sow that house
into another family. Now- GLORIA: That was a big move.
GEORGE: That was... Well, I'll tell you exactly what happened
to Terri and I. We were in a meeting, I mean I could almost
pinpoint the day this happened. But we were in a meeting in
Bournemouth with you and Kenneth and after the meeting was over,
we were flying home and, well... Let me go back from there. Go
back two years from that point. Terri came to me one day and she
said, "What would you think about sowing our house?" I did
not answer her for two years. GLORIA: After you picked
yourself up off the floor what did you say? GEORGE: Seriously.
It was two years. It was two years before I answered her. So
fast forward to the Bournemouth meeting, we're taking off on the
runway from London, and as we were taking off, the Lord spoke
to me and said, "Now's the time." So Terri and I got an
agreement together over that, but we didn't do that until we
talked to you and Kenneth. So we sat down, we talked to you and
Kenneth and I'll tell you what Kenneth said, he looked at us.
The only thing he said was, "Are you and Terri in agreement?" And
I said, "Yes we are." He said, "That's all I need to know." I
sat down with you and I told you that and you had the same
response that you just had. Almost the same Words. You said,
"That's a big seed." That's a big seed. GLORIA: At least I
didn't say anything negative. GEORGE: No you didn't. You
really didn't. You were... I don't know what you might've
wanted to say- GLORIA: I probably wanted to. GEORGE: At
the moment, but we did, Gloria. We were able to sow that house
into another family and Terri and I were in agreement with
each other over it and the Lord provided. He took care of us.
GLORIA: You did what you had in your spirit. GEORGE: In our
spirit, yeah. GLORIA: That's the key. Whatever it is you get in
your function, you get in your spirit to do, that's what you
need to do. GEORGE: And sometimes it seems like the
wrong thing or- GLORIA: Impossible thing. GEORGE:
Impossible or too big, but I've learned from the best over here
how to take that step of faith and step out and do that. So we
did. We got an agreement with people of like faith. Husbands
and wives, you need to be in agreement with each other over
these things. GLORIA: Yes, amen. GEORGE: All right, go to the
third one. Gloria. GLORIA: Claim what you need by faith. You want
me to read the verses? GEORGE: Sure. GLORIA: "For verily I say
unto you that whosoever," that means you and me and everybody,
"Shall say unto this mountain," so we can all do this, "Be thou
removed and be cast into the sea and shall not doubt in his
heart." This is Mark 11:23 and 24. "Shall not doubt in his
heart and shall believe that those things which he says shall
come to pass. He shall have whatsoever he sayeth." Now to
qualify in this area, you come to the place where you believe I
have to say what I want and I am not saying what I don't want.
Like if you're trying to get out of debt, you don't talk debt,
lack, and bad news, but you lay hold of the scripture, a
scripture on believing you receive when you pray or
something of that nature, and you stay with it and you don't
say anything different. You believe, you write down
preferably what you're believing for. You asked for it, you
believe... You asked the Lord for it, you believe you'll
receive it. In other Words, you take it. That's the best Word
for it. GEORGE: Yep. GLORIA: You take it when you pray and you
don't let go of it. GEORGE: That's right. That's right.
GLORIA: Whatever it is. Whether it's healing, house, car,
children. GEORGE: Yes ma'am. GLORIA: So that whosoever,
whosever, that's all of us, shall say unto this mountain, be
thou removed, be thou cast into the sea and shall not doubt in
his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
sayeth shall come to pass he shall have whatsoever he sayeth.
So we have to come to a place of faith where we believe in our
Words. We believe what the Bible says about Words. We'll have
what we say and we don't say anything different. Believe
you'll receive what things soever. Therefore, I say unto
you, what things soever you desire when you pray. Now notice
that. That's not just to say... That doesn't say just one or two
things. It says what things. Things. It's open. This is open
for anything that you need or want. GEORGE: Yep. GLORIA: What
things soever you desire when you pray, believe that you
receive them and you shall have them. It belongs to you. It is
in your account. You put it there, it's yours to withdrawal
when you need it. Glory to God. GEORGE: That's it. GLORIA: We're
out of time. What do you think, George? GEORGE: We are out of
time. GLORIA: Hallelujah. GEORGE: We have 30 seconds.
GLORIA: Thirty seconds. GEORGE: So how do you make a withdrawal
from your heavenly account? The first three then we'll get to
the rest of them tomorrow. But decide the amount that you need
to withdraw, get an agreement with people of like faith, and
number three, claim what you need by faith. And I like what
you said. I wrote this down. "Say what you want, not what you
don't want." GLORIA: That's right. That Word is good in
every situation forever. GEORGE: It is, it really is. GLORIA:
Because when you say it, you open the door for it. When you
say something that you don't want to come to pass, it's like
you're believing you'll receive it. You're taking it with your
mouth. Hallelujah. We're out of time. It belongs to you. It's in
your accounts, you put it there and it's yours to withdraw when
you need it. GEORGE: That's right. GLORIA: Be bold
about it. It'll work, it'll work. After all, you're
dealing with God. He never lies. We will be
back in a moment. ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed
today's teaching from Kenneth Copeland Ministries, and
remember Jesus is Lord.
