How to make millions in gas stations - Interview with Gas Biz Guy

what's up guys it's Ron from ronal Ro law and we are super excited we have Chris helth with us he is Formerly Known on Twitter and ex as gas Biz guy he has taken social media by storm of everything that he does business and buying and selling real estate so Chris thanks for joining yeah hey I appreciate you having me on uh it's always an honor that someone would think enough of me to have a conversation with them because growing up the way I grew up and and my resume you know from school and the jobs I had and and couldn't seem to hang on to it's always great to have someone say hey man I want to listen to what you have to say because uh even at home nobody wants to listen to me so this is great I this is this is all my privilege I start to feel that too I have a six-year-old and she's get some sass already and I'm just like where did you get this you don't want to listen but well it's uh it's usually hereditary but you know must probably comes in a wife's side basically what happened is my family was in the convenience store and gas station business my dad retired in 1995 and when he retired in 1995 I bought up uh 25% of his business from him and and that business what it consisted of was basically of a three-year lease on a gas station so there was no real estate uh he owned or finan that for me and I was able to take that business and really expand it you know I didn't really have any plan I was just kind of seeing what other guys were doing so I went out and started buying more gas stations but when I started buying them I was buying them with the real estate so I was buying gas stations with the real estate and then I was like ah The Next Step Up is I need to be a distributor so then I bought became a distributor and so what a distributor basically is is he is the guy who sells the gas to the gas station so I just slowly worked my way up from a full service gas attendant in downtown Atlanta to eventually being you know buying and selling gas stations and at the end of it it was you know over 100 gas stations I was delivering and selling fuel to that's awesome I mean I think it really sums up what is possible when you combine somebody starting their own business and buying real estate and and you've really married the two together how much do you think the the real estate factors into your convenience store or gas station business so what I was able to recognize early on one reason I got into distribution was the the guys who ran the gas stations we were all driving jeeps and and BMWs and the guys who were supplying us they were flying jets pretty obvious like hey where the where the money was so I determined that that's where I wanted to ultimately go because those guys were so successful I had an opportunity to get around them a lot and and hear their life stories and hear their business practices one of the things that always stuck with me when the guys early on is he says Hey basically what I do is I sell gas to gas stations and that's my job that's that's how I make that's how I pay my bills that's how I support my house but my wealth it was through accumulating real estate and it was also because of the the advantages of owning real estate they had a rapid acceleration on the depreciation schedule and so they put all three of those pieces together and they were really you know these guys were able to build wealth quickly because even before bonus appreciation was a thing and you know we able to call Se we had you know we had 15-year depreciation schedules on these buildings as opposed to most guys who own commercial buildings are 39 and a half years so we were able to accelerate our depreciation and and therefore you know it's basically an interest free loan from the government until you sell it so it was a it was very powerful but it was not none of nothing I do was my idea it was just uh watching people who are really smart and very successful in front of me and how they did it that's great I I mean you mentioned something in the beginning around those guys and wanting to be like them how is is that a good way to inspire or motivate people that are you know maybe I would say my level like people in their 30s you've you've had some time to work you can make a little bit of money you save a little bit of money and you're investing business story porn on the Internet you know you get I get into these YouTube wormholes of just what how I built this and you know the the largest chocolate distribution in in the Western Hemisphere well I would say that there's probably no better person to get advice from than somebody who's actually done it uh that was my issue with School uh for those who don't know I did not finish High School look my kids are going to school my oldest one will be he's going to law school like I value education it's it's important but I couldn't get it uh that that's the person I was trying to learn how to do life from not that they weren't bad at life but that was their version of life and my version of what I wanted my life to look like were not the same so when I was able to get out in the workforce I was a beneficiary of I had my dad was in the business and I had three uncles who were in the business so when we would get together at family things and we were very close we we talked about this you know how is your gas station doing well here's how mine is doing what are the things selling at your store well here's what's selling at my store and you could see you know certain family members were better with money money than others and you could really no one ever explained this to me and sat down and got a pen and paper I said this is how you do it it was basically through osmosis you listen to it you surrounded yourself and you and you and you learned it so yes if I'm somebody who is uh looking for how to advance myself absolutely I want to get around those people uh a lot of opportunities listen I can't I've done a a lot of great things but I take nothing away from the people who help me and there are a lot of people who own or Finance me because they believed in me uh when I needed to have access to inventory that the major oil companies I didn't have the credit for them to support me I was able to get it through relationships so yes relationships matter is YouTube viable and and you know a decent place to look sure it's tales in comparison to physically getting in front of somebody and talking to them though I I think of that because in in my mind I always have this kind of duality of what am I doing why am I doing this when I have enough or I have plenty and it it it's a useful sharpening of what do I really want because the goals are not Material or or quantifiable in any way right I want to grow a business or I want to expand or reach to to help more people invest in commercial real estate safely and don't get burned on your PSA uh when you don't have recourse you know I would much rather help people do that and help as many people as I can regardless of of the money right because if it's a a milstone like that it means nothing when you when you cross it and you look at the bank account it's like so what you know there's I think there's very shortlived joy in that I I would agree I don't know I'm assuming you've had this because I know I'm not unique when it comes to the how this has happened in life you say to yourself at one point you go hey when I get $1,000 together I'm going to buy a TV or a new set of wheels for my car whatever it is you it for a thousand bucks and you get the ,000 and then you go I don't want the wheels anymore okay because now you can get them it's like what's the big deal so then you know kind of time goes on and you start going okay when I get $100,000 I'm going to buy X and then you get $100,000 and you kind of go maybe that be is no longer important to you and so really what I like what you're hitting on at least this works for me okay this has worked great for me I don't believe I am not a gold driven guy I don't ever sit down and say I need to have a million doll $5 million $10 million 20 million it is all about you know the process for me what do I like doing listen it is very hard and and you you know this firsthand it is very hard for me to make appointments because I wake up almost every day and do exactly what I want to do and so now I went up and and and you and I got an appointment going look I want to do that so yes you have to make appointments and yes there's you know things that we really got to have to live by but I've I have consumed myself with being as Center as possible because this is not what you're going to ever read in a in a business book and it's not and it's not sexy and it's not flashy and it's not uh engaging which is people have to understand nobody has it all okay and so for anybody who's looking at me and going hey that guy has I don't have it all and I can look at anybody who I engage and go you don't have it all either so the more I see somebody have of their goal is only to be wealthy or their goal is to only be the most you know to built like Atlas or their goal is to be I want to get uh I'm the most spiritual person or I'm the most whatever whatever you do there you're taking away from something something else so my thought was if I'm hyper wealthy or I'm hyper social I'm lopsided now you know what rolls smooth you know it's like a wheel a circle rolls really smooth so if I ever feel like I'm getting too far out I may reel it back in and I can't going look I don't want to do that anymore and again I know this is not stuff that people go yeah I want go be rich man like go get it you know if that's what you want to do I'm out here to convince you otherwise I'm telling you what works for me and it makes it s like again a circle it's friction less friction you know than a than a square or a rectangle and so I have in fact my son when he graduated high school I did a speech for him uh you know we went to great dinner and and my my advice for my own children was and you know fall in love with that process don't do things to be self-centered don't think do things only to advance your own agenda and you've got to be really it's deeper than that and that's why you know for anybody who follows me understands and you see that's a Cornerstone to what I do is I want to help other people but here's the irony of it the more I've tried to help people the more money has not been the focus the more of it has been given to me it's been a longer time since I was single than you because I'm older than you okay but anyone can tell you hey if you want to have a date or you want to get a date you don't walk into the bar and go hey and you start talking to every girl you walk in with a little bit of confidence you're not in there looking for anybody and next thing you know somebody's coming to talk to you and it's the same thing that happens in in money and finances and it just is again I don't expect this to be popular but it works for me and it works I would not I would not do it any other way I've been the other way I know what happens no I I think that's 100% true and I just I I hear people and it's a it's the cringe of my generation people talk about generational wealth I'm like what what does that even mean it's the stupidest goal that somebody could want as as you know I think it's a curse on your your children you want to give them so much money that's so secure that they don't have to work that they can't find the pro you know there's it's um it's really weird to me that people want to give something to people that is is bad for them um as opposed to what um that's that's what I would want to pass to my kids is some of these Cornerstone values that I don't care if if my daughter becomes an artist and lives in in you know Pacific Northwest and only eats granola but if she has the those values and she has doing the things every day and she doesn't Pine for a life of saying oh I wish i' would be so much happier if I lived in haai I'd be so much happier if I lived in Manitoba C you know what I'm saying whatever that is that they like to do people can always strive and think they'd be happier with the nth version of it as opposed to can you pass down value and and I mean that's what we're here for man and uh I can speak to you know I don't know how old how old are you 39 39 yeah so I've got you by like 13 years okay and I I have had to graduate college okay one graduating now and you know one's about to graduate one is going to be an attorney like you Alpha type A firstborn you know I would probably did the best job parenting him my middle one my daughter she's going to be an artist and my advice to never never to any of them was hey I want you to be the wealthiest person in the world Hey listen listen man listen my kids I don't talk about what all I got going on they did not figure out really what I had kind of going on until I got on Twitter they didn't know like I just don't I just don't I don't want my kids like I you know again I dropped out of high school I believe at my core one reason why I did drop out of high school is because I really believed that I was going to get my dad's gas station so it took the motivation away from me where you know hey you Chris you've done okay in life great but what could I have been what could I have been if I would have finished eight years of school you know four more years of high school four more years of college and then you know what could I have been and I'm not you know I'm not saying that to you know like you know po me like that's that's not the point but that's something that people need to keep in mind but to your to to your point I did not want my kids to ever think they got it made and I didn't and I and and a you know generational wealth look if that's your goal like I'm not here to tell anybody what to do like but I'm not a bad guy for me saying I just want my kids to learn how to work and then it's incumbent on my kids to teach my grand kids out of work and then if my daughter says she wants to be an artist I send her to Art School it's very expensive okay but I don't know what she's going to get out it but I don't care if life is not about money life is about being happy it is man and you can be you can probably reflect on times when you were in school and had no money and you and your buddies were splitting a a medium pizza with you know five dollar you're happy you're happy you're I mean I think everybody has their own path okay and it would be wrong for me to say for any for any for My Philosophy to be right for all of man kind so I want to follow what I believe like my path is so for me and I've said this before which is I jump in the river I go where the current's taking me and I my fingers are cross is GNA put me in a beautiful state park with you know all kinds of things going I don't want to go over the waterfall I'm listening but I believe that we're not here some of the most powerful advice anybody ever gave me was to be selfless and so once you understand that the world is not about you I understand it's your life but when it's bigger than you the bigger you become okay I'll paraphrase with with Shakespeare then it's to thine own self be true because that's the only person that thinks about your own happiness and you're the only person that can author author that path not not your parents um you know not your friends and doesn't matter what you're doing we could be working together to dig a ditch but if we dig the best ditch that we could have done and we're exhausted every day drinking a beer um that's that's that's pretty much perfect for me so to your point yeah you're closer to that sometimes in college or law school then you are working in in a bigger company um or you're doing really estate by yourself you know I that's one of the things I do like Twitter is is really is sparking in-person connections where so much of social media is not personal but I've gotten to meet dozens you know dozens of real life people I have done I have no Partnerships I'm in now I have not done any for a very long time uh very I am now I will say that I am fiercely independent and is because I I have enough self-awareness to know I'm not a great partner okay because I'm very very kind of like no we got to get this done this way like in order for it to get accomplished and and I think what's happened with a lot of my Partnerships is I was you know I was brought in for the capital and the expertise I'm going well look if I'm doing both like what do you bring in you know like I so I think I've just done a bad job of picking Partners uh Twitter has opened me up to that I would do some part parterships because there's some people actually I've found on here that I I would think I would enjoy doing business with and I think I probably could have gone a lot further you know had I done some more Partnerships but because I'm independent in that way I you know in in my business that I run every day I do whatever I can my my goal is I tell everybody who works there like I want to make this the best place to work I can like it's you know hey if you're making french fries it pays $8 an hour that's all it's going to pay that's ever going to pay if you have aspirations to make 50 an hour look prize eight that's where we're at I wish I could pay you 50 but fries pay eight I've always said you know I think I've respected everybody I work with and said hey you know you're somebody's son or daughter or somebody's father and I feel like it's wrong for me to abuse the power that I've been given to make somebody feel less than what they are which is somebody's son or daughter or dad and so by me respecting them my turnover is very low now conversely if you come in I will give you the energy you're giving me so if you come in there and you're ready to fight then okay then we're that's what's going to happen but if it's if it's a uh I've got guys who work for me 10 years we have never CRA our voice with each other not one time if they did something wrong I have tried to surround myself with people who like nobody I mean there are those people out there who are kind of scam 90% of the people out there they're trying to do their best like if you have kids and they're playing sports they didn't miss the basket on purpose so if you get in the car and you start wearing your kid out going oh you know you gotta make of course they try they didn't go let me screw this up and so it's the same with people you're working with and you're going you know now if you got somebody who continually to screw up and you go okay well I have to replace that person because now they're just not competent well I even try to take a first first position blame which is how did the the process fail then how did my procedures the checklist maybe they didn't get certain information and they didn't make a initial determination because you know I don't want my attorneys to hear this but like if McDonald's can operate two4 million of Revenue through the restaurant using high school graduates and one manager they process thousands of dollars of cash without losing all of them you know they have a book and they the procedures I as a law firm with you know I think very intelligent reasonably intelligent people they should be able to do a great job and so I try to look for my failures first what you know and it's only then if you didn't follow the procedure if we put the procedures we put the checks in place and you just still ignored it that's the is but I try to take that procedural system failure first I that's my first assumption is why did you draft it this way well because you didn't know this fact and it wasn't in your your file right so and if this happens again and again it's maybe it's not my process yeah maybe there's something else and what can I do but it's very it's it's it's important you cannot overstate that that you do need to take a ownership you know we say at all time everything Rises and falls on leadership you know so if things are going poorly it's you yeah they're going great it's them it's not everybody's designed to be this way thank God okay because you know we again we cannot all you know somebody has to um count the money somebody has to do you know all these different things and if it's value you know if the value in the sense of monetary value well then to become valuable you have to make the person your employer you know that there's somebody actually sent a tweet and I I don't remember who it was and I should shame on me if you want to make a $100,000 a year you need to make your boss2 200 okay so as an employer I would say that we love it when people come up with ideas okay and generally if you're working for a decent outfit you'll get rewarded now if you're somebody and you're saying what your value you want your value to be a as a human being or as how I want my life to go well as long as you're working for somebody else that's pretty much not going to happen Okay because you are working for somebody else but that's okay because when you know five o'clock hits on Friday it it's it might as well be 8 am on Tuesday like it there's no difference to me or you know in my industry where we run 24 hours a day I never it I haven't had a I have not been able to mentally check out since 1995 is that something you would want to do I did in 2016 okay so there is there is some untruths in there okay which is in 2016 I sold just about everything I had kept my real estate kept my trucking company but I I hired these guys and I was like look if it works it works if it doesn't it doesn't I don't care the liability out kept me up at night but the whether it made money or not because I'd already accomplished that by selling the company so I don't think I have the ability to nor do I want to turn it off I would like for it to be I'd like it to be um what is the word I'm looking for I would like to have the opportunity to do that but it's you know and actually what happens is people I want to be you know this big company this this that's careful what you ask for because the bigger that company gets it's real hard to get out of yeah I mean I I I think people that want big how can you be the world's richest man and he's stressing about Tesla production he's I think he is stressed and he may have more stress than you or I which is unfathomable in a way that he's like well you know I I care about all these people I care care about my goals but he could be stressed as the world's richest man as what 200 billion something dollars and that to me is is crazy except that except for I think he knows himself pretty well and he enjoys it he loves difficult problems he loves taking a shot at people who you know chip on the shoulder kind of thing people say you can't do it and he's set out to prove them wrong and he knows that that's how he's built and he will work 18 hours a day until he solves that problem and and and that's just who he is so I'm not saying he's unhappy but it's kind of crazy to me that um okay so at your level you say I'm I'm still thinking about certain things but I don't need to disconnect in a way of like no email and not thinking about the business because that's just not something that's super desirable for you well and one thing that happened to me and if I don't think this has happened to you but when you go broke you always think you're broke okay so no matter how much I have I feel like I have no money I never wake up and go oh you know I got it made I have a Superstition that if you are gluttonous and you are flashy you know about how you are with your money and your success that you will be punished for it like call it a Superstition call it what you will so I'm very I'm very very very careful with that which would go to how come I'm doing and anybody who follows understands this gas Biz guy 911 challenge I'm doing we got to talk about the the Porsche because have you had a Porsche in a prior no this your first one I never have but there's a reason and there's a lot of reasons you know one is I did not want to you know when somebody want to come to me wants to raise okay when I go to a customer and I have to have a rate increase look my customers are all watching me my employees are all watching me so I'm doing the way I'm doing it so I say look y'all saw real CL what I did I mean like I went out there bought some property and clipped it so anybody saying hey Chris you hit me out the raid or hey Chris you know you you know you give me a raise like this is outside of business this is just what I do and so and then per personally if I don't make this challenge I'll never buy it okay so some people have a p a car a garage full of cars I've got you know these trailers are $ 150,000 $130,000 a piece I've got Acres of them so and they're not financed so I pay you know instead of me buying a Porsche every month I'm buying a trailer that is how I did it so I made a goal so look you know I I was broke in 2008 and I was able to re retire in 2016 how can you do that so fast that's not possible I went through and I made my goal was this I'm going to pay off my house I get my house paid for I'm gonna put my money aside for my wife and I and then I I made those things happen all that stuff has happened now so it's call it risk management so I was like house secured and everybody's say I got a 2% mortgage okay great do you like I can tell you the only guy who told me you know I remember my CPA he said you need that you need that interest rate off you need this you need this he's still working and I can stop any day I want to and it's not it's not the and I know I'm the dumb money I get it I'm the dumb guy like okay I can accept it but by putting the priority and making the main thing the main thing now I've kind of got this riskof money if I go if I go below a million dollar you know these stores I bought if it all blows up in my face it's risk off man like I it it doesn't matter and so now I can take this opportunity to kind of get crazy and start doing some things that are maybe it'll be fun it'll be big but first thing house done you know all my stuff cars everything done done done done now we can go have fun and so that was my priority and so yeah I've been very very you know I do have stuff you know I have my toys but you know it was then it was like Hey how do you I don't know how it is in your head but I go spend you know $50,000 on a muscle car well somebody else me need $50,000 worth something around the house okay that bathroom that bathroom needs to be redone redone I want to fence at that so anyway I'm real mindful of all that so uh I don't know you know I I'm funny like that but that's how I do it so this is all part of the challenge this is all part of the you know work in progress and I get to show people how it's done yeah I mean I think I think there's some Merit to you might have a mentality of you're always broke but you're still able to reward yourself because if you don't have anything nice or you don't do anything what's the point of making all this m i mean it really you don't need to spend everything you don't need a plane and a big boat and a big house but just get something that you like and I can't say I've done without anything like you know I had to play cash up too so like my kids I had no 529 plan I I check for every month you know for my you know I have a lake house it's paid for I have a boat paid for you know so all those things were and so it's very hard too when you're not out leveraging to continue to grow because you're going well yeah you can't put down 20% and get you know that but I'll do I have some of my commercial properties I you I'm probably 5% leverage or something like that like very very low you know so I don't again and that's all like those wounds that I go hey I don't never want to be broke again I don't never want the mortgage company to come put a note on the door again I don't know you know like I don't never want that that cannot happen yeah I think there's definitely a shift when I was again the eager you know young 30s gonna conquer the world and maximize this and optimize all this returns and I would look at older people that I knew like family or whatever that had paid off rental properties and I'm like you have a $5 million Warehouse free and clear why the heck are you doing that it's because they don't want a boss and they said when you have a mortgage you have a boss and I never understood that in terms of you could refy you could borrow 50% leverage you could redeploy that Capital you could just put it in the stock like all these things and they're like for what Ron for an incremental 2% 3% return they're like it's not worth it for me I just don't want a boss I don't like walking into the loan to get a loan and them questioning me about all these things and you're going I don't want to have to explain myself like either give me the money or don't yep if you don't that's fine but I understand business isn't done that way so it's very hard for me to do that and look again let the bank come take your house then you tell me what it is okay until then I know you and here's the funny thing about it man pay attention to the people are giving the advice just pay attention the guys who are saying hey my home is paid for and the guys are saying it's not not doing this and you're okay you're that disciplined one who's taking the money and you're putting in the stock okay you're that rare guy cool that's awesome 99% of people are not doing that but we're the guys that everybody's looking at going like that's what I want to that's the point I want to get to and so you kind of going well maybe how we started the conversation being around people who have smarts who have who have done it like these are the people I need to listen to okay and don't listen to me I don't care like I always don't do what I do like it's like do you think it was particularly risky some of the decisions you made in in hindsight or oh Absolut naive naive no one ever no one ever explained any of this stuff to me I'm self-taught everything everything I'm self-taught uh did I you know did I have family who was in the industry I I did and that would be I that would be my cheat Cod I guess I listen to that stuff I could have gone and played Xbox or an Xbox but it was in Nintendo or whatever it was back then Atari but I didn't I took that opportunity to learn from them and I I just everything selftaught I've Le I figured all the stuff out I was stupid and I was chasing the wrong thing which was I was trying to be you know I had something to prove to the world you're gonna be a loser you're never gonna do anything so your motivation is wrong you know and so if that's your motivation it will come after it'll catch you man promise you maybe not today it's not going to happen on your time it's not going to say oh it's convenient for it to catch me today no no no it's going to catch you when you know you're over here and you well Chris I I really enjoyed the time I think for for a closing remark you know we we talked about hanging out and and getting with those people what's your advice for the value that somebody younger you know again if if there's not a natural thing what would you say is effective in getting that time with somebody that you want to be like so there are ways to go about it number one is if it's a high value person we want to tell our story number one we for the most part we want to help people uh we can sense for the most part if you're being disingenuous and if you have a real you know I can sense that you really do want to learn I give you some time if you're over here to maybe just express your own opinions you know may not have time for that like that's what I signed up for you need to put yourself in a position to get around those people so in my case I had family but they were we were all community store operators we were not high level people we were not rich people so what was the next level well it was associations so in my industry it was the oilman's association how do I get around these people I need to go play you know you know go fish with them or go do with it and do and you get into these associations that was important if you're somebody who trying to get into real estate you need to go to Real Estate Association meanss couple hundred bucks a year for a membership and you really that is the best time you can spend uh people that your kids go to school with you find those people you see the people not who's driving that s nice car but you and the other thing is that you have to understand pay attention there's Clues being dropped all the time you just have to be open to see them and so you have to be you know you you kind of create your own reality so to speak like you start seeing people who are doing things right and you need to try to figure it out and and next thing you know it's like you're surrounded by these people one of the benefits it was very privileged to do is I sent my kids to a very good private school and through that private school I was surrounded by some of the best guys and I would take that time to to ask you guys hey man what was like what was the secret like what did you do and I've got a little list of things and one of the things when we talk about when we talk about people is hey your friends are your elevator they either go up or they go down so you choose people who are going up are going down they bring you down and so that was just you know I mean it's just simple little stuff and and the reality is it's not that complicated this stuff is really you know everything you know these like these spreadsheets and it simplify it man and because somebody if something happened to you who's going to take care of it your wife got to go break out a Excel spreadsheet and a PowerPoint to try to you know run this thing man you're doing it wrong so it's all very you know it's not that hard so I think what I'm taking away from is is it's simple because you're eliminating a lot of the end destination or the goals that are that are fake that aren't real and when you strip it down it's simple because it's just about establishing your values of trying to help people bring value to some other people and you can do that in the associations and then once you've establish those it's just constantly working in the middle but then also being happy in the middle because there's there's no difference between stage two and level 99 when you're in the middle because then you're there you've you've kind of achieved if you enjoy the process yeah being in the middle is right where you want to be there you go that's that's the short that's gonna get summed up so okay so that's where you want to be but uh I had a great thought and because I have ADD it escaped me uh but you know if I was to tell anybody that it's not that hard and and the the more of that kind of noise you get able to filter out it gives you more energy to invest in things that you can be productive in and it just it just works and it like I said I'm a walking testimony that does work because look I don't claim to be smart I don't claim to be uh anything other than trying to do the right thing and because I do the right I do my best what I think is the right thing I it seems like I get rewarded very heavily hard there's no other explanation yeah well Chris uh awesome conversation I I learned a lot I greatly appreciate your time with me and um we will uh put your links down below if people want to follow you on Twitter uh you've got your awesome YouTube Channel where you can follow along the gas station to a 911 series and we can cheer you along for that but yeah thanks thanks for tuning in and um any final words uh Hey guys if I could give you any uh one bit of advice just burn more gas okay

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Length: 39min 47sec (2387 seconds)

Published: Thu Mar 21 2024