How to Drift WITHOUT Spinning Out (Assetto Corsa / Real Life Tutorial)

I'm gonna teach you how to stop spinning out when you try to drift in a set of course--i and because I said it was a realistic simulator these tips will also apply if you're trying to learn how to drift in real life I'm Ben and I've been drifting my 240sx for over 10 years I've even drifted in Japan and this video contains my best advice around how to reduce spin outs condense down into 1 tutorial video welcome to Kaname trick it's the channel that bridges the gap between sim and real-life drifting and we're starting right now here we are in my car of choice it's the WD t Street s13 Silvia and I'm using the stock tune a lot of people I think when they experience difficulty was spinning on transition try to fix it with tuning and unfortunately it's usually not a tuning issue with these drift cars especially the wdt packets usually a driver issue but don't worry we'll get through that right now so we're gonna hop into the car we're at the clutch kickers track because it's a fairly simple track the corners are fairly low speed and most importantly the corners are except for the entry here basically the same speed you don't have a whole lot of speed change and that is what you want for getting the hang of transitions so in a nutshell we're gonna talk about the three phases of drifting real quick this is just my opinion this is how I characterize it first of all you've got to initiate the drift you're going to give an input so strong that it puts the car into a slide or a spin second you're going to catch the drift this is where you're going to do something with your counter steer and your throttle to let the rear of the car start to grip up it's going to stop spinning out at like 45 degrees of angle for example partway sideways then once you have caught the drift you're going to maintain it and so you're gonna roll back into throttle at that point and you're going to essentially use a combination of throttle and counter steer to hold the car in drift so we can demonstrate that real quick we're in second gear so we're gonna give it a punch kick and see how the car goes sideways and then we come off throttle for a minute that's really the key this is demonstrating the first two steps the first one is of course making the car go sideways and that's really basic there's a little bit of like a sliding scale you need to think about if your input is too weak the car won't go sideways see how like the car kind of fell on its face because my clutch kick was lightning fast it didn't actually build up any real charge to kick and then on the other hand if your clutch pick is huge it's gonna be really hard not of course I didn't try to counter steer because I'm trying to make a point but if you're spinning on the entry or initiation phase it could be that you're giving it too much weight shift so balanced that if you're spinning do a weaker weight shift if you're not getting sideways enough do a stronger one a longer one or counter steer less and then we're going to get into catching the drift that second phase what its gonna look like as the cars gonna get sideways and then it's gonna stop you see how it's picking up angle and then it slows down and then it grips up we're talking about the degree of angle change the yaw angle if you're into piloting terms but that means you've caught the drift you need to practice being able to do this if your steering is not enough you may find that you slowly spin the car if your throttle input is too powerful you may find that you slowly spin the car envisioned in your mind that there is a mechanical link between the steering wheel and the throttle and if you give the car more throttle you're going to need to give it probably more steering angle to balance that throttle if you let off the throttle all of a sudden assuming that you're not trying to change directions you're gonna need to dial back some of your countersteer and bring the wheel closer to centered again so that it balances the car in that slide if you find that the car is spinning when you're trying to initiate then either you're not countersteering enough or you're kind of steering too late or you're staying on power too long on the other hand if the car isn't going into a drift you could be counter steering too soon you could be getting off the throttle too soon or you could be giving it a really beep weight shift also as a point of fact if the car is out of rpm it's really hard to start drifting because drifting is reliant on the tires being able to spin faster than the car is actually traveling down the road so like if we're on redline and I turn in the cars under steering if I were to do that in second gear or when the car still had rpms to work with and would not have understeered it would have gone into a spin so keep that in mind as well if you are trying to do a big entry in you're near the top of your rpm and you do a clutch kick nothing may happen if you hit the rev limiter now that we've covered initiating catching the drift and maintaining the drift with a mix of throttle and counter steer we're going to talk about how to change directions you've got two basic options there are more than this but again we're covering the basics to help you guys who are having trouble with spinning you can either give less throttle and keep roughly the same amount of steering angle so we'll try that up here see I come off the throttle and then I catch the drift or you can use the same amount of throttle but you can add more steering angle so I'm not moving my foot but I'm gonna go Bao Bao and even though I never adjusted my throttle position I was able to use the steering to pull the car around in different directions essentially what is happening here if you are using the throttle method when you let your foot off the throttle the rear tires start to slow down because they're dragging against the ground they start to gain more traction the slower that they're spinning eventually when the speed that they're spinning matches the speed that the car is moving across the concrete they're gonna achieve grip at the same time weight is transitioning forward just like when you hit the brakes and you get pushed forward in your seat and you haven't changed your steering so you're still in this case steering over here all that causes the front tires to dig in and pull the car around and that's gonna cause the car to initiate a drift it's gonna cause the car to want to spin out in this direction then all that you have to do is catch the drift just like before and let the wheel counter steer do your thing and catch it over here and then roll back in the throttle once the car is stable modulate the drift and off you go in a similar fashion but slightly different if you are in drift and you are on throttle and you're giving the same amount of throttle you can also steer in more and what that's gonna do is the car is stable it's going around this way we've got the front wheels facing out like this when you steer in more that is again it's gonna cause instead of letting the rear grip up it's gonna let your front traction bite and that's gonna throw the car into a slide so in that case the rear tires may never achieve traction like they do when you cut off throttle but it's going to cause the car if you have the front traction to do it and you typically do in a good drift car it's gonna whip the car around either way once you will do that initiation even though it's not like an initiation from rip it's a initiation into drift you are going to be able to catch the drift just like you always do modulate the drift after that just like you always do and then either transition again at the next turn or you know exit the drift exiting the drift is a matter of letting off the throttle or beginning to reel in your steering but instead of leaving the steering counter steered such that it whips the car in the other direction you pull the steering back so like for example we're in drift right here we're gonna do a transition or a drift right here and let's say we want to stop on this straightaway we're just going to unwind the wheel as we let off the throttle you want to be really careful especially if you're drifting in real life about letting off the throttle without changing your steering because typically that's a recipe for a transition and a lot of people die not really not a lot of people total their cars and have a really bad event because they let off the throttle at a bad time and it causes the car to whip into the outside wall that they were trying to drive away from or drive near to but not actually into so you got to be careful about that now let's actually do a few transitions and then talk about some specific strategies to control your weight shift to your advantage so that you don't spin out so we're going to throw the car in weight catch the drift with throttle and then we can drive around the track for this example I'm going to use the throttle lift off method and you can watch my pen'll cam there and see very clearly that I'm pretty much just letting off throttle and then getting back on when the car is done picking up angle if you are spinning in transition there's a couple of possibilities it could be that your counter steer angle or the speed that your counter steering is too slow or too low could also be that you are staying on power too long again the throttle and the steering are always linked what you do to one impacts what you need to do to the other unless you want to cause a transition to happen and once you are causing a transition to happen it's also going to be the same story for catching your drift and keeping in the car from spinning out now the next thing to consider is the way the transitions tend to work if you transition with a small amount of angle like before you start your transition if you're a kind of a shallow angle odds are the cars going to transition to a shallow innovate on the other hand if you are at a whole whole lot of angle it is probable that the car is going to transition to a whole lot of it and that could be your problem it could be spinning because you're cueing have way too much angle this is actually what does it play when you're trying to throw a backwards entry or a 360 entry you're essentially queueing up so much angle before you make that transition that it causes the car to go super wide into a back II or if you adjust your counter steer a little bit straight up into a gangster 360 injury so look at that if you're having trouble spinning out you very well could be on the lock stops before the transition like if you're here full on the lock stops and then you do your transition it's gonna be hard not to go super far out so you can consider adjusting how you're driving to cause the car to not be quite as sideways before your transition it'll help out another thing that you can consider doing is use the lift off throttle technique that I talked about one of the essential truisms of drifting which is so important to know and just to keep in mind is that the faster the car is going the less time you have to give it the correct inputs to stay and drift and keep from spinning out the slower the car is going or time you'll have and in the same type of way the faster the car is changing angle and it's picking up angle so like if you like drifters who have really sharp snappy max angle to max angle transitions that is harder they have less time to complete the steering inputs and the throttle inputs that are required then somebody who kind of gracefully floats the car in the turns so you could consider using the lift off throttle method which will take a little bit longer for the car to transition and it'll lead to a little bit easier time going around the track a third thing that you can try and this is sort of my secret weapon for people that are having a tough time getting drifting transitions figured out is actually apply a little bit of deceleration force when the car is facing straight ahead now this I actually have to show you with a visual aid here so check this out this is your car right you're in grip if you're facing this way here's your drifting so you're going to be transitioning from here to here right so let's say that you're drifting in this direction you start your transition give the car a little bit of either foot brake or if you prefer ebrake right you when the car is facing dead ahead as its transitioning past us coke poop right there you don't have to give it a lot I'm talking somewhere between like 10% and no more than maybe 50% throttle experiment with it and you'll figure it out but essentially what that's gonna do is the first half of your transition is normal when you hit the brakes right there it causes everything to slow down which for the second half of that transition gives you more time but B it also kind of interrupts the cars flow from going from big angle to big angle and it's gonna make it for that second half of the transition have a weaker rate of angle change again the slower that it's changing angle the more time that you have to get the job done I find that this is really helpful personally I like to do it with the foot brake which we're gonna go demonstrate now because it's a little bit more subtle and it's not so obvious I feel like people who use the e brake to do it while it still can't achieve the same result end up it's just really obvious that you're that you're doing it and I don't think it looks all that great it looks like you're trying a lot harder then somebody who's just breathing onto the foot brake let's go demonstrate that so we can do it right from the start here but I'm gonna do a mangy entry okay now we are in and we're gonna do it right here watch my foot [Music] see I'm just giving it a little a little bit of break now if you give it a lot of break it'll almost stop the car from drifting you see how quickly the car just like got really tame and under control so you have to control how much you're doing but this is a great thing to do especially if you accidentally find yourself a fall or angle you can keep the Karner control now depending on when you do it you may also find that the car is gonna come up short because it does slow you down so if you transition at the normal time and you give a pretty solid amount of brake this is why I say only give it like ten or fifteen percent sometimes you might find that the car is no longer gonna make it around the turn it'll be up all up on the inside curbing but that little bit of foot brake will really help you out if you are just loading up the car massively someone a little up the car massively here big angle in this case it wasn't enough but you get the idea experiment with that I really think that that can help you guys out there could be one final reason that you're having so much difficulty with the car spinning in transition and I kind of hate to say it but it's got to be set it very well could be the actual simracing hardware that you're using the wheel itself now this is not a segue into any sort of sim gear elitism here's the basics if you are not really familiar there are different types of motor configurations in Tsim driving wheels going in the order of least expensive the most expensive there are gear driven units which is basically everything by logitech there are belt driven units which tend to be things by Thrustmaster and phonetic but there are also gear or your belt hybrids for Thrustmaster so you do have to be careful and then last but not least our direct drive wheels quite frankly some of the gear drive units well in my experience all of the gear drive units are simply not powerful enough to self-esteem wheel self steer is that phenomenon that you see where a driver when they're in drift will let go of the wheel or they'll in my case in a more subtle way let that wheel slip through their fingers like this and then they'll grab the wheel again so you can see that in any of my videos like like I'm doing it right now when I transition I left the wheel slide through my hands I'm not steering the wheel myself right in this case if this is how you're gonna drive and most people drift like this in real life too you are relying for sim on the electric motor of your wheel being able to spin fast enough to enable this to work and if your electric motor is not strong enough you're not going to have a good time you get a transition if you if you try to drive like this what you're gonna find is that the car goes into a slow spin like this the counter steer is just gonna be too slow and that's gonna cause the car to pick up more angle than it can hold and essentially park itself so you're gonna go to max angle not be able to recover and slide to a stop my personal opinion on direct drive wheels is that while they are amazing they are expensive they are not supported off-the-shelf by as many games and at least in drifting you just saw I don't even steer the the car with my hands most of the time during the entire transition phase I'm hands off the wheel and that's how most people do it so it's only the modulations and the small adjustments in that third phase of drifting where you're maintaining the drift that you're even going to notice and appreciate the the wheels force feedback from like a driving standpoint so if drifting is your focus and you haven't bought a wheel I recommend that you buy a belt drive wheel and I link a bunch of them in the description of basically every one of my videos they are affiliate links it doesn't cost you any more but I get a couple of bucks of course that doesn't have a lot of you a lot of you guys are using a logitech wheel because they're more affordable and most people getting into Sim drifting are working with a budget I know because I used to do that as well in the clouds over here I've got a logitech driving force from like the ps2 days and I used it for grip racing I tried to use it for drift and it was terrible again I could drift in real life at that point I wasn't like a tandem superhero but I could link tracks without any problem and I tried to sim drift back in the day and live for speed with that wheel it was no good it turned me off from trying to sim drift until like last year because I thought it's not realistic that's pointless I feel like I'm having to muscle the gear like I'm having to overpower the motor instead of the motor working for me if you are using a Logitech view things you need to know one you're probably gonna have to help the wheel and what I when I say help the wheel I can't demonstrate this super well because again I use wheels that self steer so I'm not actually very good at doing this watched YouTube videos from people with a lot with logitech wheels and you'll see them do it but let's say that we're drifting we're going in this direction we're steering around you know the cars coming around like this okay so when we want to change directions we know that the wheel is gonna have to spin this way for us to change and face in that direction right so instead of doing what I do where you basically just use up your grip and let the wheel self steer on its own using the motor you're actually going to take whichever hand is in the direction that's gonna go from the center out but the wheel needs to rotate which would be this hand in this case you're gonna take it and you're gonna throw the wheel like that and you're gonna help it get started at the start of the transition it's up to you to time this correctly but through practice you can figure out what to do when to do it you can try using both hands if you want but the key is you're gonna have to throw the wheel to get it started and then reposition your hands and either finish it or help it more so I'll attempt to demonstrate that but it's probably gonna go poorly like you throw the wheel like right there again because I don't practice this it feels super weird for me to do throw the wheel right there doing that is going to help speed the wheel up and hopefully it's going to get your counters to you're closer to where it needs to be combined that with all of the other techniques that I've already covered it's gonna put you in a better spot another thing that you can consider for a logitech and for Thrustmaster users I haven't felt the need to do this with my fanatic system is you can install a LUT generator basically a modifier for how force feedback is handled in the game I have heard from everyone in my discord community rocking a logitech wheel basically there are opportunities to actually get better force feedback and better countersteer self sear as a result it won't completely solve the problem because I promise you're ultimately dealing with the mechanical limitation of the motor that's in your wheel it's like not having a sir I'm gonna have graphics card you can overclock things and you know try to eke out more power but ultimately you would really be in the best situation if you could afford to buy a better card in the first place if you're running content manager and custom shaders patch CSP actually has an extension called ffb tweak which you can activate and play with and that you may find superior results there if you're not into that or for whatever reason you don't like how that feels there are also other nuts that you can install for both logitech for sure and I'm pretty sure as well that my thrust master fam has told me that they have had good results of those as well here I'll just turn my wheel up real quick the nice thing about belt-drive wheels is there's zero resistance I can spin this thing as fast as I want to and it's just that fast when I'm actually driving as well whereas if you had a gear for whatever reason the way that those suckers work you are actively fighting against the gear and you hear it going like as you're idling the motor and turning it so that is my last tip and it's it's more of an FYI really but if you're on a logitech wheel especially and you're struggling know that it's not necessarily you it could be that your wheel is just not ideal for what you're trying to do especially if you drift in real life it's a hundred percent not your fault if you can do this in real life it's definitely that your wheel is too slow your wheel is letting you down install a lot generator use the other techniques that I mentioned to control and slow down the rate of that angle gain when you're in transition and hopefully that will help you out if you guys want to hang out with me I have a discord community it's linked in the description I'd be happy to have you in there we've got over probably 2500 IRL and sim drifters that are happy to hang with you as well as give you advice if you're trying to get something figured out for your setup and additionally I live stream on Twitch every Friday plus I'll add additional days check the schedule on the twitch page at his twitch TV slash comm a trick I hope to see you guys there let me know what else I can do to help you guys out have a good one peace [Music]

Channel: Kame Trick

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Length: 24min 11sec (1451 seconds)

Published: Thu Jul 02 2020