How to build an instructional design learning experience: 30 Day plan

hey everyone welcome we made it to Tuesday friends it's hard to believe can't believe that this journey has kind of come to an end even though I thought it was going in that yesterday I decided to have one more session and this session is going to be helpful to the folks that went through this series most of us spend some time for folks that maybe didn't get to go through the series and talk a little bit about what we've been doing since Friday so hi if I haven't met you yet I am karin knorr and I am an instructional designer and I had this wild idea last Thursday that I should do something to help out so a little bit about me I just recently transitioned from a higher education and structural design job into a leadership role in a corporate Learning and Development function and I have a lot of time on my hands not necessarily because I've changed jobs but because I'm also a PhD student and actually tomorrow I defend my PhD candidacy so I don't have school in the evening I saw kind of this need of a lot of people wanting to come into instructional design and the water is great you're welcome hop on in I wanted to do my part to really try to help because I feel I felt that there was a really big gap between if people were learning about it whether they were a teacher looking to transition into it or maybe you are a graduate student you're starting to study this in your graduate studies I saw a huge gap between kind of what these books tell you about what instructional design is versus what it actually looks like so starting on Friday I've kind of walked through the entire process of what it would look like to build out something and throughout this I was hoping to kind of give you all guidance on things you could build for your portfolio and things that you may want to consider if you're looking to do that so great news is I've opened up all the resources for you so if you go in the button right below me you can actually click and you'll have access to all the resources that everyone else did throughout the various live students that we had so one look over here thank you all I appreciate that PhD has not been a fun fun time but you know I'm glad that I did it that whole like self journey stuff I'll be very positive today my pal j-roc is here Thank You J Rock for being here you all should follow him he is fantastic may or may not have told some stories about J Rock throughout this series I mean he just wasn't named Kim Lindsay hello thank you so much for being here yes I do defend tomorrow afternoon so we'll see what happens basically I wrote 200 pages and they can ask me anything about them so it's a two-hour firing squad and they can ask me what I wrote and why I wrote it so please have mercy on my soul so anyway I just wanted to go ahead and just walk through for folks that weren't part of the stream because I for better for worse again I keep it real there were a lot of really hateful messages that I got for doing this and actually the day I had Alex Alice on here I was in the the room green room before that is talking to him I said I just don't want to do this like it's not worth it I don't want to deal with the trolls and he's like that's not the Karin north I know like okay Touche so I did actually get to use the block button on LinkedIn quite a bit which was cool I did boot somebody out of the chat on one session so it hasn't been smooth sailing all the way you have to deal with with some of the people and people were mad I think because this was something I offered free and they didn't get in and I understand that but I did have to limit it for a couple reasons one the way that this platform is set up I do pay for this out of my own pocket and originally I only had a hundred seats but then I saw so many people wanting in I went and upped it to the next level which cost me about fifty bucks out of pocket and then like the next level is gosh like a couple hundred I think so I love you all but not that much I didn't spend that much money so because I hit the maximum of 250 on those other recordings I wanted to you know keep it and also any time if I did open it up and I didn't cap it at the 250 it would have charged me per person accessing the recording and I didn't want to pay that so no offence I didn't Plus as you all know if you have stuck around this series I tried my best and the folks in the boxes with me - so jack is here she was one of those folks Alex Alice itani Nora and nihilist Spooner we want to keep it real because we feel like a lot of times especially if you're looking to make the transition to instructional design you probably have a lot of questions about like what does this look like or what's it like to work in a corporate environment what's it like to work in a higher education environment and as you all know I was a little unfiltered and I put it out there and no offense I don't know if I want that floating around some of the stuff that that I said not that it was necessarily bad but it definitely was kind of my perspective of it so those are some of the reasons that I've kind of shut down with the recordings but anyway I'm glad that you're here so if you are here and you're like what on earth did you all do let's just go through a quick little recap and then basically what I want to do for the rest of the session is I want to walk you through now that you've kind of seen the process from start to finish what's your next 30 days be what are some things you can do to really capitalize on this so if you're familiar with Addie that's kind of what I use to walk through now I do know that that's a hot-button issue for a lot of people my friend Bobo actually sent me a text message this morning that there was a debate on Twitter through some academics about Addie and I wanted to say something but I didn't I was like nope not my circus not my monkeys I'm not going to get involved but the reason that I've used kind of the Addie to talk you through this so I think it is a good starting point especially if you are in your instructional designer so again if you're just joining us all the resources from all the live streams are in the button below this video so resources from live streams and 30-day plain you can click that you have access to everything that I shared with the folks and that did take a lot of time to build so um not only do you have just like a little resource pages but I'll get to that here in a minute about some of the other things so for the first part of that a is analysis and so in your analysis you got to figure out what am i doing right and a common thing that I count that I hear in Jack and j-rock and others Kim in the chat please I know you all feel the same way I do probably about this is a lot of people were like I can't build a portfolio because all of my stuff is proprietary have you ever heard that before I've heard it a ton and a lot of times that is true you don't necessarily want to share any information from your organization I had quite an NDA in my new job that I signed and so now I'm just like really on pins and needles I mean I don't even like share publicly like what I'm talking leagues is the company I work for because I'm kind of like spooked by my by my NDA but you can look it up on LinkedIn anyway if you have a problem kind of figure out what it is that you want to build and where to go one of my favorite favorite places to go and this is something that I shared and you have a link to it is Chris and Anthony who's an instructional designer at Amazon I started a website called go design something so it's go to sign something CO and in that basically she gives you little prompts that you can do so what we did the first night of the stream is we went to that site I showed people and we decided to pick this particular prompt right here on the screen so develop an educational video or interactive reading on your bill of your bill excuse me so we picked that because one is a pretty robust topic but - there's a lot of different things that you could do with that right so that was kind of one that we picked and let's one pull something else up I was thinking about it so just give me one second here as I'm doing that Jack has another great suggestion about if you have something you can like whiteout or remove different specifications at the company you sure can that's another great way of doing it I think I also shared on that particular night that we talked about this I have a friend her name is Mary crop she's the chief learning officer for Bluetooth SIG and one of her biggest pet peeves that she talks about is when people share proprietary stuff she automatically disqualifies them for the hiring process after if she sees that that is just something she is a big stickler on she talks about it all the time that's just not what she likes to see of that she thinks that if you're in this profession you should have professional ethics with that so I think that is good um bear with me here my computer of course is being a little sluggish so what I was actually going to queue up here which I will there we go I got it here um no I don't it just went away again hold that thought one second here okay I got I got it queued up here so I can show that here in a minute thanks for your patience as always you all are amazing yeah Kim you have a great point to that it's really hard to do that with elearning but it is not impossible you can recreate maybe a part of a course but maybe not all they might need a sample absolutely that's another great way of kind of keeping it again within reason within those kind of ethical boundaries of what you're doing so again night one so that Friday we pick this prompt and then I walk through what that would look like to analyze this and so if you're familiar and I still have it right here the great dr. Michael Allen one of my professional knowledge crushes and just genuinely nice human being and also alumni of the Ohio State University wrote that book leaving addy for Sam loved it and in it he has some really great kind of analysis scoping questions and so I shared that with folks again you have access to it in the button if you go to a session one you'll see the link there and then what I did was I just basically hypothetically answered those questions and so by doing that by hypothetically answering those questions it's going to kind of set parameters and boundaries over about what we're gonna build so again I just kind of went through it I just answered some of them but some really great questions specifically like you know who are the stakeholder so who are people that need to be involved in the project what budget is available I don't know about you all but a lot of places I've worked have had champagne taste on a tap water budget my friend Jay Rock he is the king of stretch in that shoestring budget making a lot of his own assets and that's the way it is a lot of times right so I think that's really important to consider too but if you want to look at all those questions you can get there in the the plan and the the resources all right so we talked about that so that was the a that was the analysis and then the next night we talked a little bit about the the design so how are we going to design this and because what we picked was a video I shared some resources from my favorite place to go to get video support is Texas and Chuck Smith makes a lot of great products one is Camtasia the other is Snagit and it's one of my favorite again project tools that I use and then I ended up having Alex Ellis come on the following night and he demoed Camtasia but the reason I like going to TechSmith is because they actually have a team of instructional designers that work for them that they provide really great content to the Learning and Development community but here was just some tips that I pulled out from a blog post that I shared again you have links to everything I promised I worked really hard to make sure you have links to everything that I'm talking about in in the button below but about how you would write a script and we talked a little bit about why scripts are important especially when you're building out videos a lot of times it is really critical to have that again to put a boundary around it to put a scope on it all of that's really critical but the one thing I really wanted you to take away from this part when we were talking about it was knowing how to tell a story and really thinking about how to make that connection with that person that is on the other side of this because I think a lot of times especially when you're in the middle of an instructional design you forget that there's a human on the other side of what we're doing here and even though I'm like speaking into this camera here I know that there's people on the other side which is school right and I feel like we especially now with kovat like that's kind of how we interact with people but being able to tell a story being able to go beyond you know welcome to this course your learning objectives are blah blah blah you know what that's a cure for insomnia right so if you have trouble sleeping at night go find one of those courses I guarantee you you'll be asleep in five minutes flat or if you're like me just watch a Ken Burns documentary that also puts me to sleep don't know about you all no Vince Ken Burns a really great person but votes me sleep okay so we talked about the script and then after we talked about the script I also talked about storyboarding and in storyboarding that's where kind of magic happens and so when you're in that analysis phase for me personally not only am i asking a lot of scoping questions but I'm also like give me everything you have I want the firehose of content I want every single thing that you have I'm a hoarder I'm hoarding all that information about this particular topic and then as you're going to the storyboard phase that's when you comb through it you kind of dig through you know like a little rat you're like um what's his name Templeton from Charlotte's Web right so you're at the fair like the all the foods flowing you're writing you're like going through and like you're piecing everything together right hey Bobo good to see you but yeah you're really going through you're getting everything that is the storyboarding process so you're pulling out kind of those snippets of information the things that you think are valuable because remember this is not the final piece of it right so you're gonna make that storyboard but then you're going to do what you're going to get that feedback from those stakeholders that you identified in that analysis phase make sure that what you put together is accurate make sure that it is the way that it should be out there because remember they have kind of the knowledge expertise but as Jack Huck Hutchison would say that you have the process expertise right so you are that process expert so being able to pair with that I can't tell you how important that symbiotic relationship is with your Smee love them or hate them you need them right so it's really important to kind of bring that together so again in that particular face so we started with the analysis we talked a little bit about the design and then on Monday what did we do was it Monday it was Sunday we went into the development and in the development we did two things so I wanted to make this very low cost low barrier right and what I decided to do was feature two tools that I knew had good trials and one that I knew that was free freemium I'm going to use that term and I knew that it would create code where you could embed it in your portfolio that first one there is h 5p h 5p has two instances if you're not familiar so one is an as a comm work I believe is free comm cost money comm has a 30-day trial org is free but the issue is it has limited features so you can only select maybe I think 14 different types of content to create versus the dot-com I think has gosh maybe 20 or 30 different types so in this part I was the one that kind of led this part and I you know talked a little bit about what that would look like I showed you two different examples one would be a hotspot interaction so we had a bill and then I put the little markers on for the hotspot and then you could click on it and then get more information about the topics of the bill the other one was an interactive video so for that one just to show you the functionality but as my computer was a complete jerk wad that day could not render the video that I had created because what I wanted to do was build a video and then bring it in of course not it wasn't going to work it did not want to work it was mad it was working over the long holiday weekend but you know what it got over it it's it's okay we're still kind of fighting a little bit but it's it's okay so I curated a video brought it in from YouTube just to show you what that interactive video piece looks like in acip and then mr. latino heat' Alex Ellis hopped in the boxes pulled out Camtasia and just drop mic right so actually yeah here we go it was like mic drop right he killed it he absolutely killed it so he was you know just killing it he was doing fantastic and it was just wonderful and really appreciated it so what I want to do now and that's what I was trying to pull up here in a minute I wanted to share what he shared on social media with it and what he built so if he hang on just a moment I will share with you what he put on social media of the final product now I don't know if the audio will come in from the computer so hang on one moment hey Greg Nagy good to see you hope you're doing well all right let me share this real fast I'm sure my LinkedIn here because he shared it on LinkedIn he shared it on on Twitter so give me one moment here okay so let me make this big okay please ignore my LinkedIn notifications I try to keep them clean but you know okay so here's what he shared let me make this bigger and then again I don't know if the video I don't know if y'all can hear that audio or not you know being hear it or not know okay tartar sauce okay you know what I don't know if I unplug if it would work anyway maybe you can see it let me see if I can I'll see if I can get a link to it to share it as well but he made this in less than 45 minutes and this used the script that we wrote for The Electric Company and he built all this in Camtasia he built it with free assets and he paired it with a wonderful crew names beautiful crew neens of Josh right Risser and David Gilbert who are professional voice-over artists that were kind enough to donate their time to this project to which I'm eternally grateful and if you've never heard of professional audio it is definitely needed Oh at least I am NOT I'm not good with professional audio at all but I really appreciated their time so let me go ahead and close that out if somebody if j-roc Jack's somebody one of my pals would get that link for me I would be forever grateful to you not that I'm not already because you all are awesome but somebody could get the link to Alex's video so others can check it out that would be wonderful okay so again Alex showed off the power of Camtasia you do have a 30-day trial I believe with Camtasia if you did want to try it out I can't say enough good things about it I like it because it's easy to use and it's I feel like if you learn the interface of Camtasia then you can definitely kind of again learn to use some of these other more robust products so like not to put Greg Nagy on the spot he's my former coworker at OSU I know I think Greg uses a bunch of Adobe stuff so yeah it just kind of depends on the learning curve there but love Camtasia I think that it is great alright so after we did h5 p in Camtasia yesterday we talked a little bit about implementation and where you would put this stuff right so where would this stuff go where would you put it so if you remember our prompt our prompt actually had a couple of different things so one in particular instance of our prompt said that this was going to be part of an onboarding strategy for you know the the new customers of the Electric Company so I demoed MailChimp and again MailChimp is another tool that is free I shared with you some of my thoughts about MailChimp I think that it's very it would definitely differentiate you and your portfolio if you use MailChimp if I saw no chimp on someone's learning development portfolio I would probably think that person had pretty good business savvy and thinking beyond a learning management system so easy to build the MailChimp example there I built that in five minutes using the templates there and super easy to use the other one was I demoed in canvas so just to show you what that looks like so if you're looking to go into higher education would be a higher education instructional designer canvas typically is a learning management system that a lot of higher education institutions use and then also if you are in corporate instructure has another LMS which is a corporate LMS called bridge that has a very similar interface to canvas so I feel like if you can kind of get your way around canvas you'd also be set up for success for a bridge if you have access to that and in that I showed you what SCORM looked like how to upload like an articulate storyline file and then again to embed it in to a page so that's pretty much what we did yesterday plus we talked about evaluation and how important evaluation is I know he's still not here even because he is super swamped right now but my friend Joe Suarez says a TA ddie is actually pronounced a die because the e is typically silent and he says that because a lot of times evaluation is an afterthought so I talked to you a little bit about how important it is to evaluate each step of the way evaluate what questions you're asking evaluating your design choices another one and this actually didn't happen to me this happened to a peer of mine but I will tell this story real briefly last summer or two summers ago I had a peer who was creating a learning interaction about it was for an educational psychology course it was a lunch room scene about kind of the tensions of being a teenager and you know all that fun stuff that no one misses and she created it she worked with the faculty member built it out got implemented and some of the feedback that was received by students was well the person that wrote this must have been a middle class white person because that's not the way that it is right so after hearing that story it certainly made me a little bit more aware of am I actually including more diversity and more perspectives in the way that I'm scoping something that I am creating something so that's certainly that story made me a better instructional designer here in her go through that but I think it's also very critical again in that evaluation piece is this something that the language is kind of a barrier is this something that the perspectives a little bit of a barrier so the more you can get more people around the table and again real world very difficult to do a lot of times with various constraints but if you at least have the intentionality there and at least you plan it in it will make it a little bit better along the way also drop the mic myself on my thoughts on Net Promoter scores when it comes to evaluation long story short asking somebody on a scale of one to ten how likely they are to share the learning experience or recommend learning experience to another person is definitely not something that you can use as a valuable metric in my opinion because that tells you nothing about the knowledge transfer of the learning experience all that is is an ego check in a yeah woohoo ya know so another question that you may ask and again I shared dr. wilt all homers focus smile sheets book have a link to that also in the resources a favorite question of all time from that book that I try to use every single time is on a scale of one to five from one being I need more assistance to five I could teach my peer this how likely or confident are you in your ability to apply this on the job just beautiful question I love it so much yes J Rock that's one of my all-time favorites I mean telling a training is probably still my all-time favorite book just because my former manager he passed away bought that for me but I think that's probably why it's my all-time favorite cuz it's sentimental value but performance focus swab sheets is definitely worth every penny that you have so um so that was pretty much it we did that Kim in four days eight hours and it was a lot but it was it was really fun and I had a blast doing it - some of the issues that I had that I talked about earlier but um thank goodness I have thick skin overall but I it was it was really tough dealing with some of the Patrol so but I'm here whatever so I want to check the polls here I did put a poll in here just to see how many of you were here because again I wanted to open this up and just give kind of brief overview because I know a lot of you could not get in and for you that couldn't get in and you sent nice messages thank you thank you for not being a jerk I really appreciate it but I just wanted to give again a very broad overview of everything that we've done everything we talked about and first of all just recognize the folks that are here that went through that you all did a lot too so it wasn't just me up here talking and having folks in kind of helping me with this but you all were here too and you all sacrificed your time and talents to be here so you definitely deserve a round of applause for everything that you've done so far okay so you're here you're obviously wanting to be an instructional designer so let's talk about what you need to do the next 30 days how's that sound and as I'm doing that I'm once you pop over I see there's some questions then I got to share my screen again okay um have two questions here I'll go ahead and start with Sofia's Sophia asked should L&D be reactive instead of proactive for learning opportunities is it necessary for the learner to experience the challenge of not knowing in order to really learn and engage with the content here's the answer that you probably don't want to hear I think it depends I always feel like there that and I think that is also kind of something that's challenging for new instructional designers is again you how you are portrayed the instructional design process is often portrayed is this beautiful linear easy package right and it's not it's not at all so it is messy there's a lot of different things going on and it's yeah it's it's not that way so I think it totally depends on the organization and it totally depends also I think on where learning development is in the organization that also matters because if the Learning and Development is part of operations maybe they might have more pool versus if they're part of IT versus they're part of HR it just really also depends on where they are in the business I definitely have seen a difference even though this is week 2 of my new job being in operations I really dig it because I feel like I have the people that make the decisions and the people that okay and grant things of their my peers so I could probably get more things done where I'm sitting now whereas where I was previously I didn't really have that autonomy or Authority so it I think it is is difficult so interested to see what maybe some of you all say I apologize I don't want to mispronounce your name because I hate when people do mine but AI and II you asked about the recordings of the previous sessions if you signed up for the previous recordings and you got in you signed up in the other sessions you do have access to the recordings if you did not get in I am NOT sharing those recordings outside I said it a little bit earlier but I am very unfiltered I share some things that I don't want publicly put out especially about former employers and various things like that so I am being very I guess greedy if you want to say that but it also costs me money if people access their recordings in this platform and since I've already donated time and money I don't want to do that anymore so I hope you understand but I may do something like this again you never know but if you were signed up in the previous you do have access to recordings but if you don't have access unfortunately I'm sorry okay yeah can I completely agree nothing's ever ideal sometimes you just have to have the content knowing that you made things better so you know that is the way that it is sometimes with it it just really kind of does depend let's see what the wives Queen Jack has to say so she believes that Helen Dee needs to be both reactive and proactive and there are some things like Coby 19 that no one would have been able to prepare for absolutely my favorite mean out of all this by the way and I think I saw it on LinkedIn somebody had you know who is the attack disrupter and my organization said like chief tech officer CEO or Kovan 19 and like Kovan 19 was circled I was like yep pretty much I think a lot of places learned very quickly that they could do more stuff than you know what they thought they could was kovin so all right bear with me what I'm going to do is I'm going to open up the plan and talk you all through it and then I'm also going to you because I have a lot of pals in here and I hate just being the boxes by myself I'm going to invite a couple people to join me some faces you may know some faces you may not but good people just to pop in here with me so I'm not sitting here talking by myself all right um okay so let me pull this up thanks for your patience as always okay all right so one one do is I'm going to be sharing this plan here I just lost my audio ICU and here you are you there no yes maybe hey Jack can you hear us well give Jack a minute she will come back I did invite mr. Jonathan Rock if you don't know him you should connect with him he is quite the hoot I also want to invite on a Kim Lyndsey if she would like to join as well hey Jack can you hear me all right we will jack will be back maybe if not that's fine I can hear you I'm doing good here you're fine um as we're getting Jack said oh gee would you like to introduce yourself to people um hi yeah welcome everybody I was not able to be on this session and it's a kind of old hand at this anyway I'm jealous of all you people who are just getting into it now it's so fun and there are so many many opportunities my name is Kim Lindsay I'm the lead learning experience designer at Cinna craft productions were in Cleveland Ohio and we are a for hire company businesses come to us to make training we don't really do academia it's all businesses and so if a company needs of course no matter what it's on they come to they come to us and you know we're among the vendors that they use most my job is writing studying and writing so getting to know the learner studying the content as someone mentioned earlier the more the better the more that give it to me all and creating an information flow doing writing of whatever is needed and then we have a team of people that take it from there whatever the the thing is but this is a wonderful wonderful field and its creative it's people oriented and I'm just excited for you well and Kim also has the good fortune of working for probably one of the nicest people I've ever met on the face of the earth his name is Dan kekkon and he's the CEO of center craft and just a tremendous man just really really nice very sweet and also her company one at demo fest at dev learned last year with a really cool video interaction they made for Home Depot I'm wasn't that right Home Depot yeah it was it was for Home Depot was the setting but the actual company is Carrie okay but it but it was it was set in Home Depot so both answers are right yeah it was great it was great well thanks for joining me I know I'd like did not you know I just like hey I'll bring some people on Jack are you with us can you can you access this talk yes can you hear me perfect yes sure can so here with me all night to this with my my co-pilot and really glad that she came back can't speak enough good words about Jack Hutchison she's a successful business entrepreneur and is just killing it so very proud to have both of these ladies in my network they mean a lot to me so thank you let's talk a little bit about your 30 day plan so you've went through maybe you didn't come live maybe you have access to Cirque ordains maybe you don't have access to recordings if you don't have access to recordings I really hope and think that the resources I gave should give you a nice little head start and should give you enough information maybe II get you started if you wanted to do the build something so let's get started so let's talk about this so I actually broke it down in the various analysis design development implementation and evaluation cam if you don't mind I'm just gonna mutiny cuz I hear you type in it's not no big deal I'm just gonna meet you and I'll bring you back um okay so basically the first thing you'll want to do is you want to decide in your next 30 days we won't build so that's your first first thing figure out what it is you want to build look for inspiration from anywhere one of my like all-time cool things I would love to do is I would love to like build something about cats somehow in my learning experiences I'm a huge cat person I unfortunately lost my cat last month but um you know looking to become a cat mother soon in the future so yeah I think that would be really cool to have like sometimes some kind of tribute to my my former cat in my learning portfolio but you get inspiration from from so many different places and if you're really really stuck and don't have a clue on where to get started cannot recommend go design something not cool enough so feel free to check that out she's got great prompts on there plus she's even got examples of things that you might want to consider when you're building it out so great resource therefore go design something connect era please please please and the Kim I'm going to unmute you because I want you to hop into so yeah go ahead Jack well when you're thinking about creating your portfolio piece don't just think about what you want to say think about who you want to say it to who do you want looking at your portfolio what do you want them to think what do you want the takeaways to be what's your goal for your portfolio and it yes it is about showing people what you can do but ultimately there is a goal whether it's get a new job find get a promotion whatever it is that you want like our friend John Hill just went through 52 weeks of doing the storyline challenges and his goal is to build up his portfolio build up his skills because he wants to be a and an articulate hero so what do you want to do and and who do you want to say it to I think that's the key when you're putting together your portfolio piece Thank You Cara um I would say that if you if you pick something too too bright your example about you can use that same example and you might have already said this in the course which I'm sorry I don't know you use that same example making a video about it make an audio about it you know the an e-learning course with different kinds of interactivity make a job aid or you know an information piece so if I mean it's not like it's up oh I better pick something really good but just know that you can get more mileage out of that than just your one time thing then you have all your research already done and all your planning so then you just leverage that and you can add to your portfolio more easily so and yeah kind of what I was hoping to do was to give them multiple options in the portfolio because one thing that I don't see a lot of people do but I think is really important and I've and Kim and Jack I know you can both probably talk to this better than I can but when you're looking to hire with hire consultants or work with other instructional designers a lot of times you see these beautiful polished portfolios but then when you talk to them you find out that maybe they had one little piece of one little page over there and so what I was hoping through this is if they build out like an analysis document that you would see the questions that they would potentially ask if you could see their storyboard process that could tell you a little bit about what they're thinking and maybe their scripts and then of course you know the the the piece right what is the learning experience and then also talk about how would I implement this where would I put it what does that look like and how am i evaluating this pup I mean if somebody has all that and the artifact that really tells a story I mean what do you all think exactly and in addition to what you're saying Cara if you're using something that is a cleaned out piece so you've taken away all the branding and you've made it so that's its generic but it's something that you might have used even on the job if you can capture statistics and put those statistics with your portfolio item this should really tell the full story of why that portfolio piece is there to begin with and and I think that can be that could be very helpful I think I agree I totally agree all right so you picked your prompts you got the perfect prompt you've already like worked through the analysis so you can use some of those base questions that it took from dr. Michael Allen's book maybe you might have some of your own that you want to throw in there which is absolutely great but you want to as you're building this out to get as much information as you can about this topic because remember you don't want to be your own subject-matter expert but cautionary tale if you're bullying in content if you're curating good ethics again I'm trying to talk about good ethics through this give credit so if you're using it from a different site give cry even if you're doing Wikipedia so in the past I like taught people how to use articulate storyline just like in the evening we go to like the Wikipedia page of the day and then we'll go through and like build out a sample module on like the arctic hare or you know whatever the random like page of the day is but then we credit Wikipedia for the concept this were copying and pasting it over so again good ethics you just want to make sure that you have credit where credit is due and while you're doing that you also want to think about the visuals and Clips so we talked a little bit about and when I showed two different ways to storyboard one without those images and one with the images because sometimes depending if you have a budget then yeah you could probably buy that really high resolution stock video or photo that's just absolutely perfect for what you wrote but if you're like a lot of people again champagne tastes on the tap water budget you don't have that so you have to source out you have to find those those videos those clips you might have to make your own and again I really wish j-rock could have came in to the boxes because he is a master of building his own assets in PowerPoint yeah you know you have to be a little bit creative but again that takes time and so you really need to make sure that's part of your process as you're going through it and make sure that that's something that you consider and again you may get the sign-off on the stakeholders and you may see that maybe they don't like an image or maybe that image doesn't really represent what that concept is and that's okay you're going to have some give-and-take as you're going throughout so just make sure that you plan for that through that design phase any thoughts on that a jacquard came you will hop in say anything about design for I go to developing me I always have a thought now go ahead so thank you Kara for letting me share Kara did a great job of pulling in assets and she listed those assets in the resources so you'll be able to see them you can go you can grab those free resources fabulous something that you might want to consider is start relationship building now with people that you might want to be working with in the future so what do I mean by that so a couple of years ago I was on a slack group and there was this guy there who introduced himself and said he was a voice-over artist and I thought hey I'm an e-learning I am you know always needing voiceover talent I'm gonna reach out and see if I can get his portfolio well it ended up that that was Josh for Sur and he did the voiceover for Chara's the beginning part of Kara's event that she did with Alex and if not for that relationship you know there are a number of opportunities that have come for both of us that you know we've shared with each other this is the time now if there's somebody you know who wants to break in - voiceover if if you know somebody who wants to be a graphic designer give them an opportunity to make your stuff better by contributing and like Kara says give them the credit where credit is due you might have the great ideas then you might not be able to use Photoshop I can't use Photoshop or illustrator that's why I pay someone else to do that right because that's not my strength I know my strengths I know my limitations I hope you can recognize yours and find people to fill in those gaps for you or with you and you're gonna have great friends and colleagues for the rest of your career I always say also if you if you try to link with somebody if you if you try to link with me on LinkedIn I'm I'm not on there very often so don't feel bad just just be patient and I'll get on there and link with you eventually just identify yourself for all of us as having been involved in this so that we know it's it's someone who we have a connection with already yeah great point and again I cannot stress to you the value of your network I late bloomer I I mean when I was at Amazon I didn't network at all because like I worked at Amazon who else do I need to network but then when I moved to Columbus Ohio and I only knew my husband I found out pretty quickly I needed a network of people even though I could still talk to my former colleagues it just wasn't the same and I'm very grateful that I you know took it seriously and I've met these beautiful ladies and I've met people from all over the world that does this and I just think that is so cool tell them about your Twitter following you know and how you started - she went from like zero to what like 18,000 in a year or something I mean this lady knows she knows no stop it's not a big deal all right j-rok I tell you what how about I do bring you in and then I can actually drop this down because we have the shared and we can talk it through so yeah let me go ahead and bring j-rok in - yeah because I want him to talk a little bit about the way that he builds out asset that's but and again success is the best team sport in the world so if you are successful and you have people that help get you there they also share in that success probably I will say hands down my favorite thing about doing this has been just how excited that are - voiceover gentlemen are Josh and David have been so I mean it's really rough for them a lot of times I mean they will send something out and get rejected or whatever but the fact that they just got free publicity and they were so giving and generous with their time - it helps them I mean that's why it that's what it's all about um speaking of help you want to reduce yourself j-rok yes my name is Jonathan ROC Kara started calling me j-rock and now everybody calls me that so be careful if she gives you a nickname it will stick I am from the corporate side I work at a company called zoetis which is like Pfizer for animals all of our pharmaceutical products are for creatures that you can either pet or eat pedda bowls and edibles and so most of the stuff that I deal with is LMS administration and creating compliance training or safety training and that kind of thing so as you're thinking about what kind of projects to go after in your portfolios if you already can demonstrate that you are comfortable with you know researching and creating things that can meet those business needs because some of the training that's out there you know it's like oh we're just gonna create this smorgasbord and people can take it if they need it you know like there's the whole you know leadership development or sales but there's also a big part of the industry that's like we have got to check a box for the Food and Drug Administration they want to see that we're training on Good Manufacturing Practices so that's one possible topic research Good Manufacturing Practices pick a portion of that like you know flow of equipment through a building or pest control or something like that and just create something small that's just targeted at that as that so that when you're applying and you're sending people there someone that's got that in mind that that's important to them then you say oh this person knows how to do compliance training that kind of thing the other tip I'd have about your portfolio is um the actual target audience for a portfolio piece is not the same as a student you don't want to create it like a lot of people that say oh I've got this stuff but its proprietary I can't really use well people browsing your website aren't gonna want to take a you know 30 to 45 minute elearning anyway they're not gonna go through all of it to see the good bit so you want to self edit what was the part that was really interactive I was really proud of this interaction I'll just make one little quick blip showing how I do drag-and-drop or how I you know deal with you know a selectable avatar or something like that so you can do these quick short bite-sized pieces that are smaller and quicker for you to put out you put your best foot forward and kind of maybe showcase the thing that you want to do like if there's something like well I could do as if I had new but it's not the funnest thing in the world maybe that doesn't go in the portfolio maybe like I want to I want to be a magnet for the kind of work that I want to do absolutely if you want to see this man work his magic I have a link to I consider the magnum opus of him putting it out there walking through an awesome course that he built and how he did it in PowerPoint build out the assets but Jay Rock I did tell one of your little stories one night but I actually left your name out but I hope you don't mind me telling you again because I do think it's an important lesson so I was telling them about you know a lot of times you do compliance training and one of the things that is kind of a barrier if you will for you is you have to have multiple layers of people kind of signing off on your stuff so like legal and marketing do you want to talk a little bit about that like do you ever feel like your creativity is a little stifled by that oh yeah for sure um you know you've got a you've got to make everyone happy and like there was a course that I built I would have loved to just put it out there and let everyone take it because I was so proud of but it took me about a year to put together but yeah this is showing proprietary stuff that you know you got to worry about trade secrets you know like that's another thing for corporate is like if there's some if there's a way that they do things that's a competitive advantage they don't want anyone being able to just access it and stuff so yeah and anytime lawyers get involved they're like super fun governors so that is cute Jack you got that little dogies we actually says not to be too off topic but we have a baby fawn in our backyard right now there's like a little sandbox under the kids swingset and it's just like we're like don't touch it it has no scent and we would be and it's just in there blinking sorry that was random right you're fine um so we got peaches joining us from Canada we have Jojo joining us from from Cleveland it just makes my my heart happy if my palpatine was still alive he would be here too he would always come on camera anytime that I was doing doing a stream but yeah peaches or not yeah even if I want yeah he just always had to be the center of attention but I miss him but hopefully again the the plan that I built out for you all the 30 day plan I just wanted to put it out there and then really the last thing that yeah Palpatine Azrael was his full name because he look like Azrael from The Smurfs and Palpatine because I'm a huge Star Wars nerd his brother's name was Darth Sidious and Darth passed away before how he did unfortunately but my husband did not like Darth but everyone loves puppy I mean he was just a gentle giant but anyway long story short um if you are looking to do this my biggest recommendation and I'm sure all the folks in the boxA will agree with me if you do go on this journey and build out something from start to finish write about it reflect about it I cannot tell you how much success I've seen Jonathan he'll get from that by working out loud by sharing this process and just getting the attention of people and people will be cheering you on and people will be saying you know keep going this is great and sometimes that's the motivation you need I needed that booster in this series because I like I told Alex house is like I don't want to deal with this I'm done and he's like that's not the care of North I know you need keep going so you need that and people are here that are gonna support you and keep you going on that so I'm gonna hop into the questions and we can go ahead and pass it around around the boxes cuz my opinion shouldn't be the only one that matters right okay so on you asked a great question about in a multi module elearning course after the needs analysis do you chalk out the curriculum of the course before story board pain can you talk a little bit about the workflow of a multi module course in a corporate setting I'm not going to touch that on corporate I can tell you higher ed pretty easily but if anybody wants to pop in on that for corporate cam I know you answered it in text there but j-rock jacked either you have thoughts about multi module of what how you would scope that out did you want to go first Jarek sure so from the way that I do it at work we usually start at the top down we start with the curriculum you know basically the reason that we have our curriculum is it's it's considered like a bucket right of the minimum requirements of training education experience or any combination thereof that enables somebody to perform a task unsupervised so elearning is a part of that instructor-led training videos SOPs are huge for us standard operating procedures because you got to look at that document not just as here's a bunch of instructions on how to do something but also this is us giving our word to the people that we'll be using our products in all the countries that we sell products and that this is how we do it every single time to the degree that if you come up with a safer faster better way to do it you can't switch until your change to the standard operating procedure has made its way through document review once everyone signs off on it then you can do it the new way but you still have to do it the way that the SOP says because it's not just a how-to this is us giving our word this is how we do it and then the other part of it isn't what's called an OG and on-the-job training which is if it's something that's observable it's not just add knowledge it's not at a C you can do that's one-on-one it's a document lining out all the steps to do the task and then there's three columns there's demonstration the experts show you how to do it there's practice did you get a chance to do it yourself with them there to help you and there's performance which is you know you're your coach steps back and crosses their arms and watches you do it and you have to be able to do it on your own without any help so those are all part of the curriculum so a multi module course would be part of that but it wouldn't be the first thing and then we'd look at what you know curricula was it'd be like what did what are the minimum requirements for this person to do this job and then what is the best way to be sure because if it's just something worse it just you know in the LMS say I confirm I read understood if it's something that's a little more you need more assurance that they have understood it that's when the in learning can come in because you can expose them to the information and then you can put quizzes in there and testament and say well you know I know that they didn't just scroll the bottom and click yes that like they actually had to pass a quiz and so that's why one of the things Cara gets into with how good are your assessment questions she has a course called multiple-choice mayhem they get its into you know is it just immediately obvious which is the right answer based on you know how long it is or you know if for your questions that have all the above or none of the above you know is that is that only included in the question when it is the right answer you know stuff like that so the but yeah we would we would be keeping that all in mind of how can I use this curriculum to prove to an auditor that this person is qualified to be doing the job unsupervised and so that's where the strategy would go in for the multiple modules I do like the idea of doing not just a one and done but in multiple modules time gated you know spaced repetition that kind of thing so yeah hopefully I didn't take all the things that Jack might I wanted to say actually not even close I'm like thinking there's almost zero overlap between what you're gonna say and what I'm gonna say so as that's that's really good depending on how deep you want to get into the multiple modules and what your module framework is going to look like you might have a topic and I'm actually going to use the one I'm doing right now which is the Occupational Health and Safety Act of Ontario it's a big boring Compliance Act totally totally boring we're making it two modules and we're breaking it down in terms of content distribution so learning the idea behind what the act is the history of the act because they actually have to know the history of the act to see how they apply the act on the job as a manager or supervisor so it is actually it's more in compliance stuff but it's it's important we're putting all of that in making a module and the module is as long as it needs to be I don't think it's too long most most compliance courses are pretty long but this is structured in such a way that when we looked at how do we want to break the module up into pieces or sections versus multiple modules how do we want the learning to be structured so that it makes sense to cover an area a topic as completely as possible and then move on the second module is applying those principles on the job and so it's basically supervisor walking through how to do their monthly and annual workplace checklist so that they can make sure that their workplace is safe and that their employees are safe because that's what it's all about and and so we looked at again how did we organize the content when we distributed it in the first part how did we share the information out and the second part is being broken down and it could be almost mini modules on their own they could stand alone if we took them out and said this is one situation it can stand alone great they can take it out and they can put it in the LMS if they want to put it in the LMS and just have them go through the case of this level or go through the case of the somethingyou lab some funny name about the lab you know where they've spilled chemicals and they got stuff all over the place and they're eating and drinking at their work stations so you know those are standalone items they don't take long so yeah Jarek you and I didn't actually cross at all so yeah yours is mine anymore corporate II know I appreciate it because I think mommy wanted kind of that workflow so hearing kind of both of you all break that down hopefully that was helpful and I'm teasing her she's a j-rock fan in the in the chat that's okay I've been there I've done the same thing with the chat before that's no problem go ahead first thing is Ana current project right now we have actually flipped and this is an instructor-led training like a classroom setting we flipped information because we realized that the client wanted stuff more towards the top that the attendees would not be interested in so they would zone out and then they get to the part that's really important to them which is you know actually equipment my you know manipulation so we've moved to the stuff that they're not interested in down later and so you might have situations like that or you're having to think of your learners and advocate for them you know what is more interesting and what is more needful for them to know and I think the others have said that too another thing is unny learning what I often find is whether it's one course or a multitude of courses the subject matter expert will want all the information in one screen one it has to end and it's like where do you want it know you have and it still look like no we need a way in so that's another see you guys know it's true though so true I've seen a couple of powerpoints like that lately okay eight-point fun it all in there right I do want to be cognizant of time because it is a little bit over the time but I do want to get to the rest of the question so I'll try to answer these pretty speed Roundy but then also pop it off to everybody here in the boxes Cheryl I love this question so I'm going to approach it from the tightwad perspective of this so what are your thoughts about attending a TD virtual conference and dev learn and others the expense is what hinder me what do you think is most important or for those conferences so here's my heart take I'm a conference junkie I love them I want to go to all of them I want to be there but I also hold on to a dollar till the Eagle cries I'm a tightwad okay and again working where I used to I didn't have a big budget so I would think of creative ways of how I could get to conferences so I would make deals with my manager saying you all don't have to pay for me to go but if you let me count this as work time and I don't have to take vacation time you don't have to I I'll figure out a way to get there and that works very well for me and then I would bring back resources for the team and whatever but here's my pro tip for a TD international conference and dev learn and all these other ones but speak that's the easiest way to get to go to a conference for free now I know what you're thinking but Kara what do I have to speak on and actually you know the three people in these boxes have actually said that to me because I've told them to speak at conferences and they've said the exact same thing to me well what do I have to speak on Kara well as Tim Slade would say you're a expert in your own experiences okay so you have a really big gift right now and I love what Kim said when she came on about you know that you're new it's exciting somebody like me I've been around the block a while right and I don't have the fresh eyes that you all have and I think it would be a standing room session or you know the big session at a conference if somebody new walks through ten things I learned my first year as an instructional designer or how I became an instructional designer during kovat or something like that I mean people would really love to hear your experiences because there's so many other people that are going through the exact same thing that you are so that's my biggest tip you want to speak but then there's other things too so for a TD ice if that one ever is in person again you can volunteer so I volunteered at the 80 ice last year I was a volunteer manager on Oprah day it was chaos but I loved every minute of it so if you volunteer to help at the conference you get a free registration so there's always ways to get there but of course you have to figure out airfare you have to figure out whatever I usually have multiple roommates when I go places at dev learned I had two roommates because you know it was way easier to split it so that's kind of my take I can look like you wanted to say something so you won't go and pop on I you know it keeps on your muted am I here now yeah okay I mean it you know it was maybe there's a lot of people on here good thing the only thing that I was thinking I might be able to speak at a conference that that the dam would be okay with is a topic I want to get the group's feedback here is help my boss is younger than me because that's that's I've been you know that's been my whole writing career and I seem to be pretty good at it and learning from if I didn't if I wasn't able to learn from people younger than me I would know nothing so um so just does it sound like a good idea to you guys okay yeah work that up thank you thank you for letting me leverage your sessions Kara oh yeah totally hey j-rock why don't you talk about first time you spoke at a conference okay well um as far as attending conferences definitely I was super cheap and I look for what's nearby I live in Michigan so I lucked out that the apx API cohort has a finale meeting in Chelsea Michigan which is in driving distance and through Tod cast I got to know Kara and she told me to come down to innovate which was a conference that I could go to at the i/o State University I didn't speak at that one myself in enough trouble just being an attendee but then she was like okay you shared with me this e-learning you made and I think there's something there that you could share and teach people about and so after some nudging and encouragement and arm-twisting she was like come on down you know share what you got and so for me though the value I mean there were some amazing presentations there I got to see Joe Suarez talking about the history of eLearning I thought see Jack talking about what do you do with your e-learning that's just kind of sitting out there how often do you do a periodic review of your e-learning and that kind of stuff so awesome stuff but for me more valuable was getting to meet him and getting to meet other people in the industry I don't know how you guys are dealing you know what your situation is but I'm the only guy doing this at my company I was like the unicorn working in with around a bunch of horses and they're all like what's that thing on your face you know so it was the the value of finding your tribe I think outweighs a lot of the knowledge you may get by attending some of the sessions and that kind of stuff so I'd say first of all and this is advice that I got from Kara treat LinkedIn treat Twitter treat these things as a conference yeah sure you know how you're reacting and make sure you're reaching out to people and I mean it's great I'm I'm getting the the invitations on LinkedIn and yet please keep them coming but don't just connect with someone on LinkedIn and maybe like troll and watch their posts but like thank you yeah but you don't though you message me and you respond and that was I mean Vic that was kind of a carrot grow me grew me from a bean because I was out there in my own little world and I was looking for you know I started getting more involved in social because I was looking for role models I was like I don't have anyone here that can show me the ropes I need people that have you know broken the ice that I'm trying to navigate here and so I think Kara was the first one after a Tod cast she was she'd shared something at there at the the conference and she was looking for feedback how do you think that went and I remember I was sitting there getting waiting to get an oil change and it was taken forever and so I started you know texting back were there on my phone and we found we had a lot of stuff in common and I found I had a lot of stuff I could learn from her and she's been super encouraging and helpful and introducing me around so I said she grew me from a bean because I was completely unknown and she was like hey he did this thing that's kind of cool I'm gonna introduce him to these people and that kind of stuff another good friend of mine John Hill that we I met him in adult Ola webinar talking about gamification of e-learning and that kind of stuff so like when you see people that are doing something you think is cool don't just like click the thumbs up and like it send them a message and say hey you did this and I really appreciated it and maybe ask a question because it's the friendships that really are the avenue for how you're gonna get plugged in and how you're gonna you know someone's gonna be like hey I've you know I'm doing this freelance side job but I can't handle this other one that I got asked about would you be willing to help with that or you know would you you know someone asked me to do this I don't really do it but it seems right up your alley um that's a lot more business will come that way I think than like trying to advertise on LinkedIn or things like that so I don't know I'm sorry if I took way more than my time for that but it's been a great experience for me just getting plugged into this community and everybody on this screen I've met in person and they are super awesome I'm all embarrassed to go ahead Jack so virtual versus in person is something you need to consider - there's a lot of back-channel stuff that happens at conferences Cara is the queen of tweeting out at a conference I really I love the way Cara thinks in the way she can multitask and and share the information at the same time as she's taking it in because I'm that person with the notebook and I have to write it out by hand so you know there's there's no tweeting at a conference for me but there are things you know I'm rather an introvert which she probably would never know but I am quite an introvert I prefer to be in my own space by myself I don't mind you know communicating with other people and stuff talking however being at a conference like dev learn I was so overwhelmed by the sheer number of people that attend that conference there were three thousand five hundred attendees my first conference and it was hard it was hard to get around it was hard to get a seat in a session it was hard to know what sessions to go to I had more meaningful conversation in the hallway and at lunch and outside of the event then I then I got as learning through the conference and that's on me because I it's it's how I best managed to get things out of the conference but you know it's it's a dev learn is a wonderful conference I'm not gonna fit but you know there are so many opportunities and with kovat who knows what's gonna happen if you can attend a virtual conference and be as engaged as you are in the chat with us right now you'll get so much out of it because that side chat and I've heard Kara say it before too when you're on these crowdcast when you're on these presentations there's so much happening in the side chat and so much learning going on over there sharing it's such a it's hard to sometimes stay on task because you just want to go there's a great point by somebody in the chat we want to talk about it now and you go off on a tangent so or somebody deliberately detracting in the chat way like you yeah you're the king of that so but you know be engaged no matter where you are be engaged and if that engagement is the sideway the hallway conversations on the side of the conference or at lunch as long as you're engaged and you're learning something from someone else or you're sharing something with someone else then I think it doesn't matter whether the conference is in person or online that's my point great and and don't wait to be yours not all embarrassed you know just let your personality show through you know if you're engaged and you're positive and you want to learn and you want to make a contribution and share something of your own I mean your attitude will show through and that's gonna mean a lot that's true too yeah because when you meet some people that you may follow online and you meet them in person you might find out they're not who you thought they were I had that experience twice last year and that's all I'm gonna say about that all right next question how do you catch statistics in a portfolio piece Jack I think this might want this one might be to you because I didn't didn't you say something about the the stats and value do you want to pop off with that one so I like a little bit of clarification though are you looking at statistics of who's looking at your portfolio or are you looking at statistics that you're drawing from the learning experience that you created so that you can share the outcomes of that learning with somebody who's looking at your portfolio piece two different things I can't really speak to the website but that would be built into your Google Analytics or whatever it is that you're going to use but from the flip side you have to know what your outcome is before you create a learning because if you don't have an outcome you don't have learning argue with me all you want that's just that's just it so by the time someone's done the learning what is the outcome you expect what behavior change do you expect what actions do you want them to take think about it this way if you're a call center that you're creating learning for call centers right you're helping people to better resolve calls because the service desk manager says you know what we've got 50 calls coming in every hour we have five CSRs we need a reduction in calls coming in how can we do that so now you've got to do your analysis right what's the real problem what's the problem you're trying to solve what's the behavior you're trying to change but you don't want the customers calling service desk so one of your analytics is if it's successful when you go through and you talk to that manager again in six months or a year you're gonna ask them what are your statistics how many calls are you getting have the calls reduced are you closing calls faster the whole purpose of whatever it is you're training them to do is what you're going to be looking for results for and that's your results as the ID but it's also the business results right if the business isn't seeing results from from what you do then why are you there you have to prove yourself you have to show the value of being there and I don't know John rocks gonna probably want to dispute this but it it is you gotta you gotta prove your value and and show statistically that your training works right so you're gonna meet that goal of reducing calls coming into the Service Desk closing calls on the first point of contact rather than having them escalated so that might mean your CSRs who first answer the phone need to be trained on three new products that your company has or they may have to have additional support materials available to them in a portal right so it's not just about the e-learning or that you know it's about supporting documentation it's about process it's about all kinds of things but if you know what you're looking for you know what the goal of the training was and you can say I solved the problem or I helped solve the problem then you've got your in your analytics go on j-rok I see your face go on anyone's a company no she's absolutely right but that's that's what learning is at its best corporate learning is you prove your Worth through supporting the bottom line however there are different you have different summers depending on what you're doing I am NOT mapped in under sales I'm not mapped in under HR I'm mapped in under quality and for them the most important thing is compliance and if I start talking too much about the stuff Jack just laid on you I start everyone starts looking at my horn right so you know there's definitely things you can do to take away what your situation is and be a leader and move it towards that just don't be discouraged if when starting out the you know the people that what they're asking for from you I mean I I see a little emoji there aim oh you know the first person that you may have to work for may come to you saying I'm gonna create this environmental safety course where we're talking about spills and I used to be an instructor-led training that I had to do and I don't want to do it every week so I want you to make an e-learning out of it and here's my 67 slides and I want it to be locked down each one's bulleted with like horrible clip art and I want you to lock the screen until enough time has passed that I know that they've read it you know so that's where that's where you can make a difference right you're thinking about the learner experience if if you're if your customer if all they care about is that the person was exposed to the information and they can prove that they can fog a mirror you know it's a pretty low bar but you be you don't just be an order taker you be like the buffer between their saying okay I know they've got to go through all of these slides but do they have to go through them in order maybe I can put a little bit of interactive interactivity here where I can take the six topics and just like have one screen where they get to choose what path they go down and maybe they maybe they still have to do all of them and like it's still gonna be something you know that you're gonna look back on and cringe and you go ahead and you do it for the resume or whatever but you know that you did what you could to make it a little more surprising Oh more interactive a little more you know force that you know you want to activate that reticular activation syndrome a system in the brain where you can make it have a better shot of being memorable you know so what Jack said is absolutely 100% and you will be a better idea if you keep that stuff in mind just don't get your feelings hurt if the people asking you to make stuff don't care about that crap right off the bat is that what you expected me to say Jay we're keeping it real here she did yeah I know I think all that is really important so thank you both for that this one is a little bit complicated but I will push it out here and get everybody's feedback so what is your opinion on investing in the idol program so that's dr. Robbins surgeons program I have a master in Ed's hackin experience being an ID a question of a program like that would help me think any differently what are your thoughts about it so here's what I will say then I'll pass it off to everyone else I will abstain from answering this question because I do have an idol course on assessment so I don't think ethically I should answer that because I don't want to sway people one way or the other so that's what I'm let's say what do you almost say you should go ahead and wrap your shoe egg girl I have nothing to say about it because I have not ever been a part of it or I'm not I am like allergic to Facebook so it's hard for me to even get near but I do appreciate dr. Robin Sargent and I think she's a very interesting person and I've I've not heard anything bad about it I'll put it that way I'm j-rock I've I've never done it i I've seen it advertised but it's I've been an ID for a long time so for me to go back and do that might be a little redundant or you can always pick stuff up I always learn something every time I'm on a session so you know but yeah so I'm not able to really speak to what she's offering and and I've never heard of it until just this moment i-i have known nothing to add i'm not i'm not a facebook person so here's I guess my my take for evaluation on that do your homework because I will say there is another program that I saw that I called out on LinkedIn for being like basically trying to be in boozled people it was somebody saying that they had their own proprietary method of creating instruction and so then I looked at their stuff and no offense it was hot garbage it totally was and I sent the person a message and I said is this the standard of what is this just like a the show like a before sample she's like oh no this is this is it and I'm like yeah no that's not good and so actually wilt all heimer the guy that wrote the book that I love asked me to come on his podcast to talk about it and of course I was like all starstruck to talk about it but I do think that ask somebody who went through higher education and formerly did get trained in this but also was an accidental instructional designer before I backfilled to get my credentials I do think depending on where you go to school there is a huge gap in this I know that I was you're a research institution they taught theories and my professors had never been instructional designers and that's the truth and I think there's a huge gap and so anything that can kind of help you fill that gap I think might be valuable other things you may want to look at - I know alex has his course that you learn during launch if you want to check that out on the Allen Academy dr. Michael Allen he was the Godfather of e-learning like the og I mean the og of e-learning has the Allen Academy they're all so great - a TD might have some stuff but a Tim slay that's another one - big things I would ask if you're researching one what's in it for me so ask what are people making what what is the curriculum look like don't make me sign up for an account just to look at your crap like give it to me straight what am I getting out of it and to what what if people don't afterwards so if they're going to train to be answer are people getting jobs ask them you have the right again I'm very tight with my money I don't just give it away so you get do your due diligence on it that's all that's almost say on it yeah and there there is a refund sometimes um I don't know if you all know Tommy C Locke but he actually went on when Alex's off the cuffs and talked about how horrible his experience was in higher education that he went back to get a masters and he had such a horrible professor he actually got a refund on his tuition he fought for it because he did not get any of the stuff that he needed to be an instructional designer I was like that is the coolest thing I've ever heard all right two more questions so this one's from Lisa so she is transitioning to AI D and e learning and don't have any real-world experience in the area trying to figure out what kind of samples to put in yet to be created portfolios any suggestions on how to get started with samples to apply for a job I'm hoping I'm hoping that this helps what we went through so looking at these different prompts in all of that I hope that that helps but also again this sounds like you all want to stick together and kind of work out loud support each other get feedback from each other connect with the people that I've brought in in the boxes the people that I've been supportive through this I'm very choosing the company that I keep we'll put it that way so the people that I've included in this the people that are in the boxes are good people that would be more than happy to talk with you help you and help guide you so don't feel like you're alone in that Lisa we definitely want to help you with that because there's so many people that just don't know how to get started go ahead Ken what were you missing at least I are you the person I think in the chat that said you're a med tech or a former med tech which I am I 15 years in that field and definitely if you can think of you know how to you how to use documentation you know was the procedure to follow or a policy or SOP j-rok is talking about earlier you're very familiar with those things you have topics it's just a matter of you know choosing one or choosing two and then creating some of the deliverables the same way that you have gone through in this course I would I would love to get connected with you on LinkedIn everybody my email is Kim at cynic crafts calm you can see my name right there EMS center craft comm I I'm a I work in 40 hours a week at least on my on my day jobs but I'll try to help out however I can but I definitely Lisa you if you make a few deliverables if you look also at the kind of jobs that you are interested in not just necessarily that you're likely to get and you see are they e-learning you know is a computer-based training or is it you know more job AIDS or is it more webinars you know look at the kinds of jobs that you are targeting or that seem to appeal to you and make the deliverables that would be appropriate for those I don't know if that sounds like a good idea to the other of you but that's certainly occurs to me I'll tell you the same thing I told Jonathan Hill a little over a year ago and that's if you're if you were wanting to create eLearning look at articulate storyline articulate 360 and get a free trial of that and get involved in the e-learning heroes challenges because they are very targeted towards okay we're just going to do one thing like maybe this one's going to be about using dials or sliders or maybe this one's going to be about using panels they have like a targeted thing it's fun you take part you are going to create a portfolio piece and it's going to be very visible because you're gonna be posting it and you're gonna see what other people in the field do and that so that does three things first of all it makes you to you know push the dang button and create something that you're gonna be able to use for your portfolio the second thing is it's going to be visible to other people that care about this stuff like we do and you're going to make connections through that and it's gonna get eyes on your stuff if you're hoping I mean this it's gonna be way more of a signal boost than just throwing it up on a website somewhere because the people that are in the competition are gonna be you know looking at yourself to see what you made as opposed to what they did and you'll make friends there and the people that are looking for people that do what we do are gonna be trolling that thing saying who's the up-and-coming who's the next thing and I mean for Jonathan Hill he was already making stuff like he showed me just a few of the things that he was making for his job that blew my mind and I was like the people got a no bro because he's got some crazy skills and so I was like get involved with this now I didn't tell him to do 52 straight weeks of the thing that was all on him I just said hey you might want to check this out that guy he's amazing he's diligent he's creative and I'm passionate about it but I would give you the same advice don't just make stuff in a corner in the dark make this stuff and so if you have story line that's the one I'd suggest I think they are open to people using other you know if you're using you know electoral or the Adobe one captivate you know they will still let you throw in on their on their things and and then also just the other thing that Jonathan Hill did that was amazing was he kind of blogged his journey did a little quick post about each of the things he built and how he built it and put some pro tips in there and yeah now he's the expert yeah and if you do that please remember your dear friend Kara because that's what I'm doing my dissertation about so if you participate in them please reach out to me and I can interview you for my dissertation and I'd really appreciate it so alright Jack you have anything to add on that one no okay all right last two questions this one is from the amazing toddy who helped me night one so thanks for being here again toddy we appreciate you so do you ever feel like it's really tough to get buy-in for true innovation in your jobs yeah poke you all definitely my previous job for sure I'm hoping to have better success in my new job because I'm in leadership but we'll kind of see what happens with that what are your thoughts don't all speak at once my boss is very hands-off like when the thing that I created the guy cares attention was this stranger things based a learning that um I submitted it to him and then I was nervous I was like is he going to be like hey this is pretty cool or is he gonna be who's this huge nerd on my payroll or what like my I was walking down for my one-on-one we're like opposite ends of the building and I was like oh how is this gonna go and when I came in he was playing it and he had a big smile on his face I was like oh thank god but it was a very device of course the people that liked it like stopped me in the hall and gushed and said why can't they all be like this and the people that didn't are like I know what you were trying to do please don't ever do it again so I got support from my manager just probably because he just didn't want to deal with it but also because he's a supporting guy but um might also been the whole unicorn horse thing but like yeah you will you will get support and you will also have some upstream to swim and you'll get you'll have to explain to people why you did it the way you did and just cuz I thought it was cool is not a good answer yeah I think all innovation most of the time costs money so you need to be prepared your organization needs to be prepared and sometimes that means planning two or three years out maybe even five I was with the city of Toronto for a long time and one of the reasons I left is because we're so tied with what we could do what we could buy what software we could use for our e-learning you know just this year they purchase story line so you know I I left because I needed to get back to doing stuff without my hands tied all the time and that's how I so my hands were constantly tied didn't matter what I tried to do there was no budget there was no software there was no support there's no time to learn it and that's the other thing when you're trying to innovate and you're trying to do new things yeah you have to learn it because if you're gonna if you're gonna drive the change you need to own it so that's that's hard too but always had push back making suggestions there was only one group that I worked with that was very progressive the fire the fire team very progressive so Kim if you want to pop in I will let you but I just wanna let folks know we are joined right now by one of the guild masters himself Nick fluoro is in the house if you don't know who knew chloro is you definitely should follow him he is not only one of the nicest people I've ever met he's also one of two people I cannot live tweet because he talks so fast but he has so much great knowledge and skills if you're starting on your AI dee' journey follow this man yes so many different apps and everything that he he has and you know follow him he's fantastic super excited I saw him I was about my gosh Nick Flores here so just wanna just want to call out that he's here and you all should follow him so and he'd probably please put your stuff in the chat Nick so people can follow you because you're awesome Kim did you have anything to say on that particular question okay all right we'll wrap this up because we have been going and going and going and going going and I know people are just like oh my gosh alright last question that we have from Sheryl is I transitioned into an IT position in corporate after twelve years on the job as an engineer good for you that's awesome I self studied two years before transitioning and took an 80 d e-learning course I was considering more courses through a TD do you recommend alright um Kim do you want to start this one all because I felt bad we were all kind of chatting do you want to talk about maybe a TD and what your thoughts are on maybe courses and stuff that's the that's fine I mean if I didn't if I didn't raise my hand I didn't have anything more to contribute than what you all have said which is excellent when I transitioned into instructional design from technical writing and before that from laboratory medicine and med tech and you know I I my degrees in zoology basically everything I've had is either learned on the job or through some some course or other I have taken I think three classes from a TD and they were they were valuable the e-learning ones were definitely valuable I found that by the time I got to the basics of instructional design one that I already knew all that stuff so I I guess I misread what the course description was I would recommend the course like a theme or um her--her um I forget him what it's called now it's I think she does she's an excellent thought leader her blog is wonderful there I would I took several courses from reminisce about scenario based learning and story based learning and that was valuable to me I think he's condensed that down into one course but see these are one-offs and you get a certificate at the end is not a degree and between that following people's blogs following some podcasts and there's more and more excellent podcasts by the way Jack has an excellent podcast kara and Joe Suarez have an excellent podcast and there's there's all there's too many to actually listen to in a day so that was basically a lot of informal and a couple of classes and that's that's what I've got wearing that now and it has been enough but I don't do I don't work in the tools and I don't do graphics I do verbiage and so if that is different than I would probably go and take an articulate class or something like that and then again it would be a spot type of a thing but just because I I've been able to scrape by without a formal education doesn't mean that necessarily good thing so that's is that what you expected kara you know I think that's great again my big thing is if you're going to take the time and money to invest in something then you make sure they also work for you so make sure that these courses you get feedback on you don't just want to sit there and catch flies in your mouth and get another certificate for your wall it's not going to help you so make sure whatever it is that you do select through a TD through these various vendors I again Ray is great I've also consulted for him in the past so of course I'm going to say everything he does is great too but yeah go ahead Kim yeah pop in I can I forget this I just took a little tiny course on multiple-choice questions from Patti shank I mean the Patti Shane it was very affordable it was wonderful had excellent feedback discussion board and assignments and I would highly recommend looking into her courses and her books yeah that's a great call j-rock mentioned earlier the X API cohort my good Torrence puts that on that's a great way to get involved and learn a little bit and again that doesn't cost anything again except your time there's a lot of good stuff out there but again me being the person I am holding the dollar till the Eagle cries I'm very frugal and I'm very picky about where that money goes so do your due diligence do your homework it took me nine months to buy a car not kidding you I could not make up my mind I just you know I'm that person but yeah I think that's really important Jack or j-rock any last words on courses YouTube is free and a lot of cool stuff is on there there's a lot of really luminary people we can follow and they're sharing their stuff who's the Annis Abramowitz has a great YouTube channel for podcasts in addition to the three awesome ones are the two awesome ones mention my third like these are the three instructional redesign the lounge and the e-learning guys those are like all I listen to when I'm oh is those podcasts but I would also say don't feel like you need to be an expert before you can do something you can spend a lot of time just learning and taking courses and soaking it in and feeling kind of foam mode oh they're doing VR I don't do anything with VR do I need to learn a frame and all that stuff in maybe this is the way that I learn but I can't get the whole thing first I need to have a project and for me I learn how to do the thing I'm trying to do and then the next thing you're trying to do maybe some of it overlaps and you can use it and you have to learn a few more things rather than trying to learn all of instructional design before you build your first course so I would say learn just enough to be dangerous and then just start making something and don't worry about making a bad one make that your goal I'm gonna make a bad one first I'm gonna get the bad one out of the way and just free yourself to get the practice of creating something and and just give yourself the ability to make the bad one and then make the next one better and then keep improving that way and then we don't have to worry about always making something perfect right off the bat because yeah it's art its business it should be fun this is a very fun thing to do with your life I'm glad that I somehow found myself in this niche and yeah you're gonna curse at your screen sometimes it's gonna be frustrating and stuff but it's the good kind of frustrating that you grow from so absolutely just watch too much courses and videos and never make anything like get in there get your roll your sleeves up and get your elbows money Jerry there is no tea Anish that's good nice all right well again this is a wrap I don't know how to top that as an ending point this has just been amazing I've appreciated everybody's time I have streamed for almost 10 hours this whole week long weekend and you all came along for the ride so thank you so much I hope it helps I might be doing this again so kinda next steps for me I do defend my page he came to see tomorrow so we'll see what happens with that please send good vibes mojo that I pass and if I do pass then I do have to start writing like my dissertation and all that so my time will be a little bit more limited but I am always on social media I do want to be involved I do want to help you all I do want to continue to see what you're doing putting it out there and I think maybe what I want to do for the next series is I want to be a little bit more focused on where you want to go so I do think it's a different skill set to be a higher ed instructional designer than a corporate instructional designer so I think bringing people on talking about that talking about the pros and the cons about it I think is really really helpful and yeah I think that might be the next thing that I do thank you all for your patience thank you all for just everything most of you have just been a true delight I've really enjoyed getting to know a lot of you and again just know that if you're here you're putting the time in there is a place for you in this profession the profession needs more and more people I think that we're going to continue to grow I think we're going to continue to have our time in the Sun throughout all of this and you are at the right place at the right time I have really enjoyed doing this I can't imagine like j-rok said doing anything else with my life like I am a junkie about this stuff and yeah it's been been really fun so if you have any feedback for me as long as you're not calling me names cuz I did get called several names over the weekend but I have you know again I'm over it please let me know if you have any feedback things I can do to improve it things that you wanted to see more on because I built this as was going this was totally flying the ship as you know it's going along and hopefully you all have access to the resources and if you need anything else in the meantime please reach out to all of us hopefully we are a unit and we can I continue to work together and yeah any other parting words any part of wisdom or anything anybody can say no I left it all on the field I'm just excited Nick floros here look I'm still just like fangirling that he is here because he is just like one of the top I mean well maybe the top in my mind but yeah I'm just like nerdy now but Nick Flores here so I just need to calm down a little bit all right well oh thank you for the camels that makes me happy camels alright my mom did try to FaceTime me during this so I might someone see what she wanted but I thank you all let me know hi Joe Joe thanks for joining us and glad that you came to and stay safe say well work out loud you do have a place here we need you we need you now more than ever and we're really glad that you've decided to be an instructional designer and good luck on on your path and follow me for what's next you don't ever know about me might just get another wild hair next Thursday and decide to stream all weekend never know maybe not though so thank you all and enjoy the rest of your day bye

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Published: Fri Jun 26 2020