How Super Danganronpa 2's Trial 3 Could Be Improved

i'm about the only person i know that doesn't think super danganronpa 2's trial 3 was completely terrible or even deserving of the title worst trial in the series and if you're curious which honor i give that trial to then it's the one that everyone else usually awards best but i'll also admit the trial could have been so much better one of the best in the game in fact and could have set us on the path for a truly amazing rest of the game a better trial 4 and a less insufferable trial 5. i know i just talked about how what we could have had doesn't matter in the akane-awari analysis but i suppose that worrying about that is pointless for this video because we never got that akane but well i never said i wasn't a hypocrite okay and plus this is a speculation discussion video not an analytical one so let's go through what changes i would make to chapter three of danganronpa 2 goodbye despair and how they would affect the second half of the story yes this intro is shorter than usual because the bulk of this video is in the discussion and the subsequent consequences of changing the dagger on the timeline even though everyone but chiaki survives this game anyway to start us off what would i keep the same in order to maximize the impact of the chapter well while it pains me to say this and i kind of really really don't want to i'd keep ibuki being murdered by mekong i believe that this case is the appropriate time for them to die as the cast begins to whittle down ibuki's upbeat attitude while welcome to take the edge off is starting to become a bit tonally dissonant by this point ironically enough for a musician and by the time nikon fails to save four of her classmates from dying her talent's only going to become more and more questionable as time goes on i'd also probably keep the despair disease it's actually a fairly decent motive for what junko's ultimate goal with the game is and about the only one that i can see actually pushing nikon to go so far as to actually take someone's life rather than just keep them dependent on her for survival as uncomfortable as mekon's breakdown can get at times i think it's actually very thematically appropriate and foreshadows a lot of future conflicts and provides a taste of what's to come later though you've got literally one of the most dangerous professions in the entire world and your best thought for an execution is to blast her off on a rocket i guess that even though this is the what to keep the same segment i would change the exact nature of nin khan's execution out likely it is something more visually horrific than weirdly horny i'd also keep the fact the second victim's death was more of an afterthought than a planned thing like it wasn't super important that hyoko's death got looked into in the same amount of detail as ibuki hyoko's death was quite literally an afterthought done in a panic fujiko's character development was also quite good if a little rushed but i understand why it seems that way because it literally was rushed for those who don't know fuhika was initially supposed to be the second victim of the chapter 3 murders this was changed after a case writer pointed out to kadaka that this would mean pekko's sacrifice was ultimately meaningless and while i agree with that change i don't agree with the replacement victim of hyoko well before i begin going down that line of thought let's just quickly do this returning to the line of thought i talked about literally five seconds ago now that the segment has officially changed i don't agree with replacing fuhiko with hiyoko as the victim of the case and so do many others just like how fuyuhiko dying would make pekko sacrifice meaningless changing the victim to hiyoko made mahiru's definitely worse it also ensured that the twilight syndrome murder case girls were all dead by the second half of the game which kind of felt i don't know off to me it felt a bit hollow that not one girl involved in this case was alive after the third chapter hyoko was also clearly set up for further development throughout the entire game as well as to survive throughout the chapter her development was burning way slower than fujihiko's which was all kind of crammed up into the same chapter and the other chapters weren't really adjusted to account for his new attitude and personally i think his old attitude was even more awful than yoko's was i think if hiyoko had managed to survive to the end and got the character development clearly planned for her before the rushed rewrite she would be much higher regarded by the fandom than she actually is and i think that both characters were strong contenders for survival and neither of them should be of nikon's second victim gosh if only there was another blonde character somewhere in the cast with little to no character development happening not much of an impact on the plot aside from a mediocre love triangle subplot that wouldn't make a character's death in vain and might be able to create an interesting dynamic between the characters they do leave behind that could be used to replace fujiko and hiyoko as the second victim and give both of these characters the arcs they actually deserved okay yeah i think sonia should have died here not really a dramatic reveal since my dislike of sonia is well known if you're a regular viewer of my channel of every character who survived a killing game she is literally the only one i'm disappointed got to survive even if i did like sonya i still would believe this chapter would be the best send-off point for sanya remember i said before that this was also the best chapter for ibuki sender think about it not only would sonja dying here solve the problem of fihiko vs hiyoko over the last character development pass i think it'd also open up an interesting new dynamic between kazuichi and gundam and make them both much stronger characters as a result so let's go through the chapter again with all of my new changes everything remains the same until hiyoko is trying to put on her kimono in the hotel sonia walks into hiyoko's room after hearing her struggling to put on her kimono and suggests to hiyoko that she used the mirror in the musical kyogre however still distrustful of everyone especially considering the despair disease and not willing to go outside her room in a kimono that's clearly not on properly instead ask sonya to bring the mirror to her in the motel sonia decides to agree to this hoping it'll make hiyoko happier and trust the group more in spite of what's going on sonia goes to the music room to grab the mirror possibly with a trolley to put it on and to provide a little more evidence through the testimony however sonia instead walks in on mekong committing ibuki's murder and mekong kills sonia to avoid you having a witness side note i'm pretty sure the weapon nikon used was a scalpel considering she could a hide it in her open pocket and b not be seen as suspicious for having it if she did get caught with it so christ shut up about there being no murder weapon obviously nikon would hide it she's clumsy not careless the crime continues the same ibuki strangled to death mekong [ __ ] the tajimay he finds the bodies of lukey and sonya etc rather than the key used to get into hiyoko's room since she's not dead in this continuity kyoko instead tells hashmi that she asked sonia to fetch the mirror for her and i think that kyoko would feel a twinge more guilt at accidentally getting sonia killed than sonia did vice versus surprisingly enough well those are all the changes to chapter three now for the section that editor eris is going to [ __ ] hate for so goddamn long why these changes and how would they actually manifest going forward i think i'll first start off with why i would have had both fuhiko and hiyoko survive well first is the obvious reason to see the trajectory of their character arcs and see them slowly open up to others after the deaths of their girlfriends but also to see the trajectory of their character arcs with each other fujiko was clearly more ready to open up to everyone else at the end of the chapter and when hiyoko told him he would likely never be forgiven he wound up slitting his own stomach an act of harakiri a samurai method of vulnerable suicide which in fujiko's case was for sokotsushi making amends for some transgression in this case leading to mahiru and pako's deaths bako had often been likened to a samurai so in the same scene as mahiru's shrine it felt like they were still present even if they were physically there anymore and were probably on a minecraft server together by now hiyoko freaked out at fujiko's attempted suicide and wound up regretting her choice of words at least that was my interpretation of this as it did lead to fuhiko almost dying if yuhiko did die here it would have placed his death on her shoulders at least in hiyoko's eyes which she did seem like she'd actually regret especially given she was trying to change the two clearly interacted a few more times throughout the chapter at the titty typhoon most notably where hiyoko looked like she was making steps to at least working with him what would be intriguing to me is if they both survived chapter 3 how would their grief and character development manifest in the way they interact with each other throughout the second half of the game it could manifest in multiple different ways it could and more than likely would since it's a satisfying conclusion manifesting fuhiko slowly opening up to others and trying to make amends for his past and in turn hiyoko slowly opens up to him and while she never forgives him for causing mahiro and pako's deaths at least until it's revealed it's not for realsies she learns to at least trust him and everybody else and learns to not be quite so horrible her mean streak never quite goes away she's always happy to sling an insult about akane's gullibility or kazuichi's weird looks and cowardice but she becomes much more cooperative in the hopes that she can escape alive for both herself and for mahiru while fuhiko escapes for both himself and pekka it's even possible they bond over their perceived weaknesses they're both short and look much younger than they actually are so despite their high statuses in society they're often not taken seriously which is why their actual personalities are so hostile but as the group consolidates and cooperates they bond over their similarities and eventually form uh nobody's allowed to tell them their [ __ ] but me kind of friendship that eventually rocks shinko to her core or on the opposite end of the spectrum it could be a way to tear a horrific and irreparable rift into the group hyoko remains bitter forever at fujiko but fuhiko actually now has a word up on hiyoko that sonja's death in this timeline is indirectly hiyoko's full hyoko gets defensive at it because it was one death and fujihiko gets frustrated because hyoko has given him [ __ ] the whole time for pekko and mahiru but now won't take that same [ __ ] for sonia the two wind up being unable to stand each other and potentially wind up even trying to kill each other only stopped by the others it's a relationship that never heals personally i think the writers would rather take the former than the latter as that just seems more in line with the style of dangarama rather than a bleak hole of nothing it tries to show that any relationship can be at least salvaged even in a dark environment all around it and honestly that's more satisfying anyway take notes western grim dark riders however i think there's another character that could benefit greatly from this change to the story someone who would be absolutely devastated if sonya never mind were to turn up one morning dead someone who would grow as a character from her death in spite of the problems with the fridge love interest trope kazuichi soda who i'm actually not super familiar with i like him and i relate to him very strongly but i'm not his biggest fan however i am currently dating someone who is so mac babe your thoughts thank you eris for offering a super neat segue into me existing in this video hello i am zuzia i'm eric's partner and the resident kazuchi soda fan i love casualty soda he's not only my favorite male character in super duper number two he's tied for my favorite boy in all of danganronpa funnily enough the one he's tied with kaiten momota shares kyle hebert as their english voice actor now i could talk about kazu soda for hours unfortunately i will not be doing that not now anyways maybe someday um but primarily i want to focus on kazuchi's relationships with two characters sonya nevermind and the dark lord gundam tanaka ruler of the seven realms destroyer of earth and mastermind of the universe [Music] uh sorry about that so kazuchi soda is well honestly he's rather one note if you don't pay too much attention he's sims for sonia and he sims hard he's very clearly the replacement for territorial as the dumb pervy guy and that's shown by how hard he finds over sonia and tries to win her affection unfortunately for him sonia likes goth boys specifically gundam tanaka this causes the two boys to not like each other because what good story doesn't have everyone's favorite love triangle yes we love triangles of love geometry side note why is it always a triangle give us a love rectangle i love dodecahedron give us a goddamn pentagram of unhealthy jealousy if you're going to use a tyre trope at least spice it up look triangles are the salt and pepper of romantic tropes the writers who use them are british people who think water is spicy so back to soda and gundam they do not get alone in cannon at all and the reason is sonia the bland nirvana reference piece of white bread that she is so what happens if hypothetically speaking she died and instead of killing hiyoko hiyoki gets to live and get a sick character arc so people on the internet won't laugh at me for liking her instead sonia dies okay so for context reasons i'm going to talk a little bit about soda's free time events specifically when he talks about himself in school before hope's peak trust me this is going to be important a little bit later he was betrayed by one of his friends the extent of this we don't really know but it must have been bad i'd say this because well in response to this he dyed his hair pink sharpened his teeth and dressed like a depressed banana so people would avoid him because of this he hampered his social skills leading to his painful interactions with sonia and others soda also doesn't really have any friends only really being close to hajime and later on kind of kills ryu now let's imagine what would happen if sonia died in hilton's place specifically where would this lead gundam and sodas arts first let's look at soda now one more thing that i didn't really mention earlier but i still feels fitting to discuss i believe kazu soda and me consumiki could have been friends or even romantically involved with my fanfics or anything to go by both grew up with little to no friends and both grew up dealing with abuse nikon samiki's is a lot more obvious judging by her interactions from the cast but for soda you will only really find out during his free time events he mentioned that he and his family grew up really impoverished in his second free time event and as such he often stayed home from school to avoid costing money for school trips a quick content warning the next section deals with uh abuse parental abuse skip ahead to the timestamp below if you are uncomfortable with that he says that his father beat him after finding out which i think explains his skittish behavior often reacting with fear to any intense external stimuli so now that we see a connection between soda and mikon this chapter gets even sadder not only did soda lose the woman he loved sony never mind he also lost someone who could have been a close friend he'd be torn apart by this and so would gundam gundam and sonia were very romantically coded so losing someone who was i'm gonna say his lover would destroy gundam as well now i find that these two have a lot in common too both isolated themselves from others but learn to open up more thanks to sony in part it's likely these two would be pushed together not a romantic sense i think much more platonic bond though i wouldn't mind more lgbtqia plus without the danganronpa that isn't forgotten or crossed over by the fanbase unfortunately this bond will only last for a chapter gundam tanaka would be accused of murder the only non-hajime friend soda has left imagine being in his shoes her best friend being accused of killing nicomadu imagine he tried to pour asahinamune from sugar happy havoc and try to take the blame of course gundam didn't intend to get away with this crime nothing soda could do would prevent what happens next he lost tanaka too he would shut down completely that is until he saw four little furry friends still alive in the current story sony takes care of the davos but now that burden falls on soda he'd make sure they live a good life no matter what and now kazuchi soda really earns his spots the survivors in my mind he lost someone just like everyone else did hajime lost triyaki his real lost pekko kanelas nakamoto since hiyoko survives this time around she lost mahiru and soda lost sonia and gundam also finally he'd have stuff to do besides simply presonia which is pretty damn good anyway i'm gonna pass it on to eris now and i hope all of you have a wonderful day wow what an analysis i'm sure that this section isn't so obviously jarringly written before max sent her analysis back to me that my fans immediately pointed out in the comments section i think one final thing i want to focus on is how the changes would affect hiyoko sainji herself because now hiyoko gets two things to see how the rest of the game would unfold and the character development she always deserved kyoko herself tends to get a lot of flack that i feel she doesn't deserve like she's a [ __ ] but so is celeste junko bayakiya the little [ __ ] meow they're all generally written off as boss ass [ __ ] types hyoko doesn't get that same treatment and often gets shoved into the same box as monika and ruka ando from the anime nobody watched except die hard fans like myself but as said prior yoko's hostile personality is a defense mechanism based on the horrible treatment that she had by being head of an influential japanese household with lots of historical value in an industry that was incredibly cut throat she was regularly targeted for assassination it's a lot of detail that i cannot go into this video alone but i will be pitching the idea for hiyoko analysis to my patrons once the next video is complete and i would like to say now for the kyo stands about to like slam their heads against the keyboard explaining her actions doesn't mean excusing them okay hyoko is a [ __ ] none of this changes that okay good as for how hiyoko's arc would change well she'd get more of one of course for sardis hyoko's arc wouldn't abruptly end in this timeline with her untimely demise so let's quickly move on to the next path realizing her top target for bullying nikon tsumiki was the one to commit the murders and a murder that she had a mild hand in causing in a way she led sonia to mekhan and got a kill hyoko's a [ __ ] but she's a consistent [ __ ] and the easy way out would be to say that she'd say i told you that nasty trashy pig [ __ ] was absolutely horrible but no you'll never believe me but i don't believe that would be our reaction hyoko tends to have an expectation of everyone and when they break it she's actually way more likely to freak out pekko was in her eyes far more likely to be violent and dragged her into the murder plot and when the truth finally slipped out about pako hyoko largely kept her [ __ ] mouth shut i believe it changed even more drastic than that and hiyoko's knowledge that now she had even a finger in sonya's murder would cause her to freak out mikan's change would be so drastic that kyoko might actually panic especially given she's used mikhan as a scapegoat to make herself appear more threatening than she actually is when hyoko's target stops taking her [ __ ] she usually starts crying mikan is in this moment the definition of no longer taking anyone's [ __ ] so hiyoko would probably panic way more than anyone else at this moment she might actually be stunned into silence and would be almost impressed with nikon's sudden turn at least until she reveals why she did it i don't think this would be the point where hiyoko finally snaps and yells about how nikon was horrible the whole time i'd argue this would be where hiyoko does at least try to talk to me khan but kind of realizes that she's too far gone nikon would probably even direct a couple of roasts toyoko's way before her death it's only after my khan's gone that hyoko would start yelling about how horrible mekong was but i feel like that it'd be hyoko trying one last time to put up her act and contrasting with the moment in the start of the chapter where hiyoko called out akane for not caring about nekomaru being in the hospital i would have akane call out hiyoko for being dishonest about how she felt akane senses that hiyoko is trying to keep putting up an act with her intuition and calls hiyoko out on it saying she's allowed to be honest she doesn't have to worry about appearing tough she's proven it already by trying her hardest to work with a group she clearly hasn't wanted to from the start i don't think hiyoko would legitimately start crying but i think she'd probably vent frustrations about how much her feelings about mikan are so mixed that she doesn't know what to make of them that she was glad nikon finally stopped being such a loser but to take two lives in the process and then for it to not even be because she was tired of everyone taking her for granted it'd confuse her and i think with sonia's blood partially on her hands she might actually open up morde fuji kokuzuru who also had indirect blood on his hands that he deeply regretted and that would lead into their camaraderie throughout the rest of the game and it would lead to hiyoko learning to cooperate with others slowly she'd open up a little more to everyone and recognize who her real enemy is first nagito and then later junko it would have been honestly amazing to see the previously anti-social hyouka grow as a person open up and trust in others after having to put up wars for so long to protect herself to see her who once couldn't stand shiaki defend her in the fifth trial and insist that she couldn't be the traitor to see her renounce truth and despair announce her intentions to keep mahiru's memory alive and well however she could and to live on not only for my hero but for herself but no if hiyoko lived and sonja died then we couldn't have had a wacky penetration joke in the fifth trial that was clearly more important alright hopefully that's the last pot shot i take at sonia for a while time to make like the empty can of chef boyardee and end this while this video may suggest the contrary i actually do like trial 3 of danganronpa 2. it's a minority opinion sure but i don't think it's as bad as everyone tries to insist but i also think that the trial could have been something far greater if only given a little more time as bad as it is to spend far too long on something rushing can be almost as detrimental to the creative process in searching for a short-term solution to stitch everything together you may learn later that there was a far better long-term solution that you could have taken with a little more time thought and effort and maybe you disagree with some of the creative decisions i decided to have maybe you thought kazuichi should have died instead maybe you think there should have been a different motive maybe you're a baby who needs their hand held and every weapon in the murder spelled out for them but the wonderful thing about creating even if it's based on another work is that your work can become something uniquely yours even if only tangently so one day i hope to create something that'll prompt thought that'll prompt other people to go how can i change narrative decisions that would make this better i think if i could design something like that something that prompts other writers to workshop together how to improve scenes plot points and characters i would feel like i changed the world danganronpa even in its flawed moments has thoroughly changed mine and yours you're watching this video right now because of danganronpa and influence across countries and soon even time you've heard my thoughts as well as the original author and that's the power of creative works i'm sure that there's more to this thought but uh scripting heiress didn't leave anything else so uh i guess this is the end of the video bye now [Music] beautiful [Music] [Music] okay

Channel: Aeris Akamatsu

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Keywords: danganronpa, dangan ronpa, danganronpa 2, dangan ronpa 2, super danganronpa 2, super dangan ronpa 2, trial 3 sdr2

Id: yqk46FaCi34

Length: 25min 43sec (1543 seconds)

Published: Sun Sep 27 2020