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track fuel exe and the are as different as a cross-country bike is to a downhill bike and it's really important to understand this distinction however whilst a downhill bike cannot climb like say a cross-country bike and both the fuel and rail are similar in so many ways they both love single track they have similar amounts of travel they can both descend tough terrain and around about the same speed they have removable batteries Lively suspension and similar angles designed for all-round riding so what makes them so fundamentally different [Music] [Applause] the track Rail and fuel exe are very much the Border Collies of the MTB world and yet the fuel exe does have parents of different pedigrees both an MTB and a full power emtb so you could argue it's kind of a crossbreed which is why we've come to the Lake District land of the Border Collie [Applause] [Music] thank you so what makes the fuel exe and the rail so fundamentally different well you could argue that the fuel exe is a lot lighter than the rail but this is not a comparison between a lightweight dmtb and a heavy HDM TB no the fundamental difference is power the rail has more torque and a higher Peak power 85 newton meters compared to 50 newton meters and a peak power that is almost double that of the 300 given by the fuel and the weight there's actually a six pack of beer difference in weight between the fuel and the rail but as you can see the fuel exe does have a lot leaner down tube the big question is will you get more of a six-pack riding the fuel over a rail not at all that is simply a myth but as much as we can argue the toss agonize over the fine details both bikes open the door to more riding different riding and I would happily argue all day long more fun and I think many people like fun don't they [Music] [Music] [Music] have to thank track for inviting us up here to the beautiful Lake District on this brisk autumn day to have a look at the fine detail of these very stunning bikes and basically what we're going to be doing is looking at the strengths and weaknesses of both bikes and the impact that will have on you the rider on where you can ride and how you can ride oh hello doglet the fuel exe offers subtle support on the climbs is silent tries to be more like a traditional MTB and as track say it does have a traditional trail bike feel on the descents it's lighter than the rail it's quieter it's a bike that avoids arguments with Rock and root rather than confronting them the rail on the other hand more speed more power more distance more terrain it's a bit heavier yes 22 kilos versus 19 has got 10 mil More Travel front and back a bigger Fork is slacker longer and just a bit more beef to its intentions of course some people would argue that they're not actually that similar they both have roughly the same travel and wheel size and geometry they both have adjustable Motors they both come with a fantastic app you can adjust the travel and the geometry of both bikes and they're both perfectly suitable for the terrain we're riding out in the Lakes but I might just stay here just a little bit longer foreign [Music] the rail will be able to climb technical Trails faster that's the biggest difference more torque enables Riders to push through the steps quicker the overrun allowing the rider more of a breather and heavier Riders will benefit more from power on Tech lines after sure but what's the reality let's take a look at some real world examples well here's a classic example I think we've got a knuckly Steppy approach to the track here whereas on my left hand side we've got a smoother approach I think this actually typifies the both approaches which you might take on the higher powered bike on the right or the lower power bike on the left the line of release resistance or the super tech obviously you've got the technique and the weight and the power then the fuel exe will get up there every day of the week you crack on okay folks let me introduce you to Classic Rail territory big nasty rocks oh physical technical so I'm going to concentrate for a minute oh wow okay second breather seat up go again but remember the fuel exe is also still very Adept in the mountains compared to standard MTB the great thing about the fuel is still super capable on these climbs but you come to a piece which isn't ridable in it easy to just pick it up and shoulder it and get up that section whereas the rail obviously being a little bit heavier quite as easy it's obviously strength and power there's another thing to think about with the two bikes the fuel is a bike that will Glide by you with a motor at full song and nobody will know you will also have an outline similar to a standard fuel you'll be able to kid people you're riding an MTB you'll be able to carry it easier when your route planning has got a wall in the mountains and you'd be less likely to spin out on a slippy climb but more than this it is such a lightweight Lively capable bike and it is simply made for the mountains this bike on the other hand is simply made for trouble if you can ride down it I guarantee you there's a good chance you'll be able to ride back a bit but there are some other fundamental difference on paper we should go through very quickly it's some numbers and some weights and measures of the two bikes as I mentioned earlier the fuel weighs in around about 19 kilos whereas the rail 22 and the difference in that is the motor and Battery there's a 3.4 kilo difference in the battery and the motor on both bikes when it comes to price now there's a 2 000 pound difference in the higher end bikes the higher end fuel exe is slightly more expensive than the rail whereas on the lower price point bike 4900 on the rail whereas the fuel exe start at 6 000. elsewhere we've got some features for example the fuel exe has got a feature called watts per kilometer or what hours per kilometer I should say which is a really Nifty feature whereas on the rail you've got a feature with the Bosch motor which is called Hill hold elsewhere when it comes to the motors both Motors deliver the power very differently so you need to ride both to to get used to that and also there's a difference in the sound level is the fuel exe is you can hardly notice it whereas the Bosch CX motor on this bike obviously there's a little bit of noise because well let's face it there's a lot more power [Music] [Music] one thing which is really important to understand is that even though the bikes are only three kilos difference in weight they do behave very very differently on the trail and you could yes you could say that's more of a trail bike that's more of an Enduro bike but I think the reason for that is is the suspension tune it's the way the frame is constructed and and when you ride down say a very Rocky descent you'll definitely get more feedback through the bike than you will on say the rail the rail is much more of a planted bike but there's other things to think about as well and I talked about the climbing even though this bike will not climb as quickly as that bike when you get to some very difficult pitches you can literally just get off that bike Chuck on his shoulder and walk a section whereas this bike is a little bit more involved so a couple of differences there now another part of the story and this compare and contrast versus the two bikes is the fact that the fuel has got a lyric Fork up front whereas the rail has got a Zeb now that will have a big difference in terms of the impact when you're hitting those rocks and routes this bike will feel a little bit different to the more Burly Fork on the rail at the same time you can actually put a bigger and longer Fork on the fuel so you can go up to sort of you know 160 Fork on this you can stick a coil if you want to but you know what I actually think that's moving away from the actual nature of the bike where it's made for I definitely think this is more of a trailer Center firewood climbing bike compared to the rail bike at the same time you can actually lower the weight on the rail down to say 20 kilos by putting lighter wheels on it thinner fork and you know getting onto some lighter components so you can change the both bikes but I don't think you need to now what's the focus of this video is fuel rail I think maybe a more valid conversation should be fuel EXE versus non-assist bike and I mean in a situation such as this you might as well bring a canoe because you're going to be carrying that's for sure I really do you think that if you're a heavier Rider and you're doing this type of terrain like a fire Road climb Then followed by a super technical descent or a trail Center descent then this bike is great it's just that when you come to the more technical climbs the big collisions and steps that's where the heavier Rider might actually prefer the rail far more than this bike and the reason that's twofold a is that you'll be able to tackle it pedaling feet up and B is you might be able to use lesser power mode and therefore less battery [Music] okay so what goes up oh crikey must go down and remember this is a trail bike and this is proper full on Lakeland Rock but those big 29 inch wheels we've been running we can we can get through this stuff I mean it is proper full-on now the fuel EXE like the limbo those people were new to emailing to buy things might find this a lot more oh I'm not easy to understand you're riding it compared to the slightly heavier rail the rail on the other hand will happily collide with Badness all day long going down as well as up that bigger Fork slightly more travel and slightly more weight equates to a more planted grippier ride the motors are obviously very different Power outputs on the two bikes 85 newton meters on the Bosch motor on the rail and 50 newton meters on the TQ motor on the fuel but also two very different design philosophies now there's the harmonic pin ring system on the TQ and then there's the traditional gearing method on the Bosch motor on the rail but they also deliver their power difference but it's not a question of one being better than the other they're simply different to now progress from double track into a little bit more technical climbing and this is where on these steps and loose lock that the rail it's got a little bit more well a lot more pension get you up and over [Music] now coming into the same gap on there fuel EXE and physically more challenging You're Gonna Keep Your Eye in the game you've got to make sure your momentum is good still doable don't get me wrong it's just it does require a lot more technique the heavier Rider ah okay so battery time now let's not forget that the battery in the fuel is one of the highest density lowest weight batteries on the market it's 360 Watt hours weighs in at 1.8 kilograms now you can actually get a range extender which is 160 Watt hours but I'm thinking on that bike just get another spare battery 360 Watt hours they're so dinky you can stick on your backpack it means you've got 720 Watt hours of range which is ridiculous for such a lightweight bike the rail has got 750 watt hours 4.4 kilos but remember that bike has got more power so the main consideration to bear in mind when you're looking at batteries is how much do you weigh where do you ride and actually how long do you ride for [Music] in conclusion then maybe two breeds focused full of energy and of course loyal but folks e-bikes and mountains whatever power you choose it doesn't get much better

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Length: 15min 33sec (933 seconds)

Published: Sun Oct 30 2022