How is the UK doing since Brexit? | LBC debate

I just don't buy this sort of Britain can't operate outside of Europe Britain doesn't lead in the world sort of rhetoric that Gina constantly pumps out and no I say it's a transition that we need in a proper plan we don't have a transition plan good evening Pamela it appears the UK will have to renegotiate its relationship with the EU in order to save its car manufacturing industry what would the UK have to offer that would sweeten the deal for the EU considering all those many manufacturing jobs that might go to the EU okay um Stephen Morgan so I think off is referring to um electric car issues that were um who I didn't actually realize that Vauxhall now owns fiately they own all these um they are worried about that but I think there are more issues at stake here on just electric cars I mean just on electric cars I think uh deeply worrying news and I think the government should have seen this coming um you know Kia as clearly said that we need to make brexit work and want to bring down some of the barriers that are existing for trade um but the government could take action here we've got to protect British jobs uh we've got to but what can we offer the EU to encourage them to come to a deal on this well I think we just got to negotiate and we've got to sit down and get around the table and and find something that works we've got to invest in Britain we've got to support research work uh you know we're really clear that we want to invest in green jobs um and we've got an industrial strategy to make that happen the government haven't got an industrial strategy and I think that's why we're into my mess that we're in but but if you were the leaders of France Germany Spain Italy all of whom have big car Industries wouldn't you be licking your lips and thinking well uh the Brits are made their bed they can lie in it there's nothing that we can that they can give us that we would want to come to an agreement on this well I mean that's a challenge we face out of the European Union isn't it but um we've got to find a way to make this work that's good for our economy well many would say that what would be good for our economy would be to go back into the EU and if labor offered proper leadership that's what kirstama should stand up and say well I I was a remainer i campaigned for a people's vote um but you know we've moved on since then we've got to make sure brexit now works and and case set out his five point plan to make that happen Okay Kate yeah I think it's about promoting Brown Britain isn't it and and finding new and different ways to make those connections and make it of companies to be here and whether that's tax breaks or what so that we can get jobs in um and just creating that sort of that environment where people want to come here and that we can we can get those jobs in rather than going back and negotiating backwards and forwards because like you say you know it's already been done so Gina it's not been done and it's Pie in the Sky to think you can't it's not about going back it's about the reality it's about the reality of what we're facing and business uh sector after sector um are suffering from lack of skilled Workforce there's um suffering from barriers to trade you know Bloomberg all the experts LSC all of them are saying that we're in for a tough time we actually haven't seen the worst yet because there was a bit of a sort of a rolling back of the full implications when the pandemic was on but you know in business investment is down 19 compared to the G7 average um we're looking at uh was it before brexit before brexit it was closer to 27 so we're down you know already and this is only the beginning um 19 down is better than 27 no no from 27 so we're down 90 from that okay so um also we've got um you know Bloomberg saying that we're looking at about a you know 100 million a year billion a year deficit going forwards when it comes to trade you know when when people talk about not going back this is not about going back this is about going forwards to a relationship where we reduce the damage because we can't go back in we have to find a better way of actually trading with the EU and whilst we also do other trade deals around the world but when you remember that the arch preset is the architects of brexit Mr farage Mr hannand Mr Frost all wanted us to be members of the single Market they originally never said in any of this that we were supposed to leave a single market and because everyone got caught up in this including Boris who said you know the night after what have we done because we got caught up in this they went to a much more extreme brexit without any plan any real understanding of what the impact would be on sectors and industries and we have got to be honest about this Pringles question here what can we offer the EU to encourage them on this issue on the on the Vauxhall issue to come to a new agreement it's not about the EU it's about us saying that uh we have to actually show the EU that we act in good faith that we have a stable government that we're not politicizing everything that we stand by the rule of law both internationally and also um from a moral point of view it is showing that we are grown-ups when when we can when we can prove that and we can act in good faith we can get around the table and negotiate because it's got to be a win-win for both sides there's a whole point of negotiation don't you think that Rishi sunak has I mean he's got a very different approach to list Johnson he has got a very different uh approach but then it doesn't help today in some of the things he said in Japan it doesn't help what his Home Secretary says in Japan um you know that uh the brexit benefits are and then rolled out that the scrapping EU law was a way to show that uh brexit was uh benefiting us well there is no evidence of that Richard Holden well I didn't think I'm just going to fundamentally disagree with a lot of what um Gina's just said and the idea that Britain doesn't stand by the rule of law is or has shown that uh that it doesn't is obviously nonsense specific and limited way well I think if we look more broadly about what the biggest issue that's facing Europe at the moment and standing by the rule of law it was Britain that led the way in response to the recent crisis in Ukraine when the German government wanted to send helmets we'd already been training Ukrainian soldiers for years and were stepping up with sending arms and leading the way I say that's standing by the rule of law rather than trying to as others initially did uh try and weasel around and protect their own but on this specific issue I think that's an important point to actually to make there the idea that Britain doesn't Stand Tall in the world I think is nonsense and I and I think actually we led the way in Europe on that so I just I think it's just a point worth uh making on the broader Point around um rules of origin I actually know quite a lot about this because I've got Nissan just down the road from my constituency and it's one of the biggest employers of my constituents and I did a lot of uh speaking to them when we were going through this at earlier stages I don't know the specifics of what's being discussed around this specific car manufacturer at the moment all I know is that Nissan were able to put a billion pounds of investment into Sunderland tick all the boxes of this a combination of UK and EU rules of origin if there's if there's something that needs to be done then we put some government support into that as well at the time around 100 million pounds and for a billion pounds investment delivering High School manufacturing jobs in the northeast of England for decades to come I don't know the specifics of why this is the case here um so I'd be really interested to see it I know that kemi has already said that she's looking at this in depth at the moment um but the thing there are there are things that we can do differently outside the EU which can benefit um the country as well look at the rules around solvency 2 reform which is being looked at at the moment around and what we can invest in and as a country and what our financial services can invest in looking at some of the other the the deals we're able to do around the world which we wouldn't have been able to do when we're in the EU as well whether that's the Japanese trade deal or now looking towards um the trans-pacific partnership which is 0.1 that's what's predicted to give our GDP the CPT PPP of all the experts have said it will contribute 4.1 and uh and but there are things we can do outside the that we couldn't have done inside the EU and I'd be very interested to know the full details of this because when I got stuck in uh with Nissan to help them out at that point it turned out that actually the the problems which they initially thought might be there or we're not as uh we're not as prominent as they were later and in fact it led to a major investment into the Envision a battery manufacturing plant just down the road from my constituation what's happened to that battery plant now I mean it's operating fully there was a battery planter that went out of business there was a proposal for one north of time I mean I know Gina probably you know um she doesn't probably know the Northeast as well as as well as I do but there's a one which is being looked at north of town but the one that Sunderland looks to be doing uh really well and pretend has a massive potential for growth and as as well as we look at other things and there's there's I think there's I think to um I just don't buy this sort of Britain can't operate outside of Europe Britain doesn't lead in the world sort of rhetoric that Gina constantly pumps out and no I say it's a transition that we need in a proper plan we don't have a transition plan yeah well I don't think that's true and the way you talk about the country is some form of you know uh state which doesn't back the rule of law when people come into here internationally to use our legal system um which is you know world-renowned threatening to break International when when we when when we as the ones who stand up for international law in countries like Ukraine I just I'm just going it's really boring when you're constantly talking the country down

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Length: 10min 2sec (602 seconds)

Published: Sat May 20 2023