History of WWI Primer 114: German Maschinen Pistole 18, I a.k.a. MP18,I Documentary

while the Great War practically defined modern small arms and tactics very few original designs emerged from the conflict those rare new pieces had to be either very effective or very simple to manufacture our gun today is both [Music] hi I'm Matthias and this Oh this is a submachine gun or a machine ins pistol model 18 comma 1 I will get to that confusion in a moment but for now let's get this guy over to the light box with an overall length of just 32 inches this is a handy carbine sized item but it still weighs in at 9 and 1/4 pounds so it's pretty dense the magazine capacity is 32 rounds of 9 by 19 Parabellum that is of course fed through the louvers trommel magazine most viewers of this show are going to be very familiar with what a submachine gun is a fully automatic pistol caliber carbine thing of sorts but this was unheard of way back when war were declared the Great War was begun with a mix of Napoleon era tactics and a glimmer of the modern most memorable was the use of effective artillery barrage in both attack and defense and while the French 75 was king in 1914 artillery pieces saw increasing attention and development throughout the war but we're a show that focuses on firearms and the wartime developments in that field would actually be focused more on automatic / machine guns Germany had it figured out best pre-war putting strong emphasis on the heavy Maxim machine gun as the heart of infantry support and a cornerstone of defense in depth while other nations had stocked up on automatic arms as well their tactical use was limited and production struggled to catch up as these former tokens of you know semi artillery became mission-critical automatic guns in trying to defeat the heavy machine guns on defense armies on both sides would start to reach for light machine guns to take on the assault with them we've actually done a whole mini-series comparing most of these and in the end found that the air-cooled louis gun was just about the best but that's because the lewis provides a light portable automatic capable of repeated burst firing with a large magazine capacity easily reloaded and easily controlled even so the gun was cumbersome to fire on the move and required firing from a semi fixed position light machine guns would be paired with rifle grenades and support infantry and pitted against emplaced machine guns and other hard defenses finally resulting in an effective ground-born means of breaking up these defensive nests Germany adopted the same strategy and would even take it a step further developing what is commonly called whoo tier tactics though that name was never really used by the central powers that I can tell these were infiltration tact beginning in late 1915 and it first referred to as pioneers under ab2 long they would later take the moniker storm tripping these were heavily armed units with carbines grenades pistols and especially light machine guns their job was to work into the cracks eat their way into the opposite line get behind the enemy stay quiet when they did encounter resistance they had to act fast and with extreme violence in order to completely silence the threat before an alert could be sounded to the rest of the enemy's forces when successful these German assault teams would dot the on Tom's front lines silently waiting for an attack by either side only once the battle was begun would they reveal themselves surprising their opponents and opening wider tracks of opportunity for their own oncoming infantry to quote lieutenant colonel GS Hutchinson we found that the advancing Germans had infiltrated between our gun posts and we came under a hot machine-gun fire at close range why we were not immediately torn to ribbons passes my comprehension we dropped to the ground and while the machine-gun bullets flicked past our ears and ripped the haversacks on our backs we worked our way down the furrows the results were so incredible that the same strategy would be developed in just about every army of the war and so we again see an emphasis on light machine guns which is why we see the rushed development of systems like the show Shaw and the MgO a 15 Daryl thing devastating and overwhelming firepower from a small team for a brief violent period was an excellent strategy but while the heavy machine guns were worked into light machine guns the attempt at adaptation of the slow manually operated bolt-action rifles of the war into shoulder-fired automatics well that was going kind of weird look imagine it this way you're an infantryman with a rifle the artillery have blasted the enemy line and your heavy machine guns are like marking beaten zones wherever they can to limit reinforcements a light machine gun is chugging away a few feet from you chasing whatever enemy hardpoints it can find your buddy Kevin Kevin blasted off a few grenades that looks like you know the enemy lines starting to yield from all this but at some point you have to stand up and March yourself right across to that next trench and at that point is down to you and your rifle and that is a bolt-action that sinking feeling that sheer panic of knowing that you have to work a bolt as fast as you can for just five rounds maybe ten with a lee-enfield that is why the bayonet remained an important weapon in the Great War and so in a strange way an infantry automatic rifle or carbine was an attempt to improve on not just the rifle but the bayonet if you take that perspective the be AR the browning automatic rifle and other full powered automatics are okay they're difficult to control under fully automatic fire and still large and heavy long and awkward for trench work you can see why they never really caught on and to be honest Germany never developed one in earnest instead they had something of a unique experience because Germany had not one but two wartime stocked pistols already in service we have episodes on both the older c96 drafted into the war after the battle had started and the Luger LPO ate a long-barreled stocked pistol developed for the German artillery men so that they would have a weapon effective to two hundred meters and yet light enough to keep on their person while working in the field once that LPO eight was in the German supply line it became something of an attention getter with the Air Corps who went on to request their own for use as a pilot or navigators backup weapon up in the sky now while the nine millimetre parabellum has become the defensive cartridge of the past century I'm not so sure it's my preferred for air-to-air combat so if you're gonna be stuck with it you might as well be stuck with a lot of it making the Luger is limited magazine capacity a huge problem the same issue was plaguing one of the few Auto loading rifles available to Germany which was also being fielded on aircraft the Sig Mondragon a solution was provided by engineer Friedrich Blum whose drum or trommel magazine provided 30 rounds of seven by 57 for the aviation rifles then in service it was a relatively simple matter to scale this design down two nine millimetre parabellum and pair it with the LPO 8 pistol now at this point the notion is still 1/4 aviation but once you have that 32 round drum magazine available for the lpoe the carving package well this gets pretty intimidating and looking and makes for a pretty handy close quarters weapon again we've covered this gun in more detail before but suffice it to say the German infantry assault teams became very interested so much so that the LPO 8 was experimentally converted to select fire but that white pistol with its toggle joint lock was difficult to control and especially with the lightness of the bolt and a nearly useless fire rate the same was tried for the C 96 which again suffered that same problem with controllability and just overwhelmingly fast fire much later on in the late 1920s or early 30s this idea would be tried again though mostly sold in China now I know that some of you are already yelling at that screen to tell me that there was by 1915 already a fully automatic pistol caliber light machine gun in service yes the Valero Rossa a twin barrel 9-millimeter glass NT because it's Italian ultralight machine gun interestingly this was also designed for aviation use but the Italian Army would field it on the ground using it in the same assault and infiltration roles as well as for forward defense unfortunately its extreme fire rate also made it ineffective and difficult to use and it didn't really replace the bayonet more like a poor man's light machine gun the Villarosa is also fairly complex to manufacture and so trooll up in production would be slow and difficult for such little gain so the German Guevara proofing x' commission or gpk would put together their own requirements for a pistol caliber assault weapon from here things get pretty secretive with a dash of long loss so we have very little to go on records from the Rhine metal company reveal the following requirements by the spring of 1916 the gpk had requested a comp carbine sighs gun chambering the nine millimetre parabellum cartridge and it had to have a locked breech and that's it for sure but I suspect from what few guns we know of that they also wanted to match the LPO its barrel length of 200 millimeters this request was apparently circulated among a number of manufacturers we know of technical drawings patents or other evidence from several firms Hoffman Schwartz Loza and Walter all design guns that fit this bill each with a locked breech and all Walter even had like a crazy inverted Louis gun pan magazine thing I think it's cool again Mauser would provide a dedicated pistol carbine breaking the rule for fully automatic fire but still using a locked breech system while a few were made this did not see wide adoption instead the competition was won by another rule breaker Hugo Schmeisser son of an arms designer the famous Leafs miser Hugo had taken a job at the same company as his father around 1900 this was of course the famous Theodor Bergman Waffen bow of Sol now it's worth mentioning the elder Schmeisser in his parent firm because conveniently enough both were involved in pistol development pre-war Schmeisser pistols were best known for their simple blowback actions and handy takedown systems for easier cleaning and maintenance we saw one of Lewis's guns way back in our dries in 1907 Episode a handgun named for the German rifle and as we said in that episode Reese had left Bergman around 1905 that means son Hugo became the technical manager and therefore became the backbone of Bergman's arms development making him their man behind the light machine gun not this one it suggested that his father may have helped him with this particular design the Bergman 15 but we'll have to explore that another day if we get lucky okay so he might have to share credit with his father on the light machine gun but this guy today no this is all Hugo this is Hugo's baby the bulk of it was summed up in a patent which was only granted to Theodor Bergman F the war and show some subsequent improvement the big thing is the original Schmeisser appears to have had a straight double stack magazine like you would normally expect on a more modern submachine gun but the gpk at the time in that you know intervening period between initial prototype production and actually adopting this gun they added a requirement that the gun must accept the standard Luger trommel magazine this would avoid duplicated effort and it had been quite the headache to even get these magazines into production already now with that change and despite being a blowback schmeiser's gun was actually phenomenal it was effective controllable light and handy light and it was reliable and above all else it was dead simple to manufacture it was perfection militarily and so it saw rapid adoption in 1918 making it the Machine and pistol model of 1918 or MP 18 and somewhere in all that this comma and this mark right here were added which is a huge mystery is it a capital I for improved or some other German word or is it the Roman numeral one indicating the first of several variations perhaps four were tried and the the first variation was preferred is it just added because of the magazine difference maybe this is like the first version and we know we're gonna go to a stick mag later I honestly leaned towards it being a Roman numeral over an eye but I still don't know what it stands for and neither does anybody else to any reliable degree but regardless we now know why they made this little guy and we know what it is so let's get a little closer look I have a submachine gun check it out front sight we've got a barrel shroud ventilated front sling swivels I bring her around we've got our mag well with I get that in position release button and as I bring her back we're gonna see our rear sight which I suspect has something to do with the designation of comma one look how long the state basis I don't know man something seems like it was up there but I can't prove anything instead we only have and all of them only have a 100 or 200 meter rear sight it's very sensible for the cartridge that's in the gun very simple to flip between the two so bring her back you'll see we have a takedown button here more on that in a moment and we have the trigger I hope you know what that's for if I bring it back again send my pistol grip stock rear sling swivel and that'll butt plate pretty standard stuff now walking her back to the center and taking her up to our other camera you're gonna see let me get this where you can that we have a charging handle now that charging handle is currently in the safe position and so is disengaged from the sear but if I were to put this down it'll ride on this here and that means that this is an open bolt design so right now I can reach right in there there's no round chambered it would be sitting at the top of the magazine if we had a loaded magazine and then when I pull this trigger she drops now if I were to release the trigger this thing would drop strip around put it in the chamber bang and it's going through recoil and then come back forward and catch this year there is no select fire on this gun that's just how you would fire it semi-auto you would feather the trigger fast enough to be able to keep her in single or maybe two round bursts not gonna be very accurate in semi-auto anyway because of this long lock time the time between pulling the trigger and it actually firing the gun that's a lot of time in order for your aim to be disrupted you're moving your hands you're anticipating there's mass moving around there's Springs moving around this guns not gonna be much of an accurate piece beyond 200 meters just on the basis of it being a large mass moving forward for such a long distance very clearly a short-range weapon now if you were to hold the trigger this gun will just keep cycling just there's nothing to stop the bolt it's just gonna get blown back it's gonna ride for go bang blow back right forward away so whenever you release that's when she walks open super simple operation of the gun by the way most of the books I've read seem to repeat a fire rate of about 400 rounds per minute and I kind of disagree period manuals reference 32 shots of mowing fire in 3.5 seconds that maths out through 550 rounds for a minute and once we got our gun restored it did about the same the most miser II thing about this gun to me looking at free submachine gun schmeiser's is the simple indirect take that method so in order to do that I'm gonna take this gun off of safe oh there we go I'm going to drop that bolt all the way forward so she's down there obviously no rounds in there and then on the side that's where you guys can see it I push this doohickey button right here in and crack that open as that opens up I'll see we have our transfer bar for the trigger mechanism all those goodies but more importantly at the front let me see if this will show up for you guys we have some witness marks two of them to be exact and if I push this guy in and turn and get ready for some pressure and I mean some pressure without going crazy I can just let that guy off and as I let that guy off we've got a guide rod that's attached to our rear cap that is part of our takedown plunger so our recoil spring is powering our takedown plunger that's pretty cool recoil spring comes out and then we retract everything I may have to turn it down oh yeah let me show that where you guys can see it all right here we go below what would be the wood line in order to catch that groove and that allows us to come all the way to the rear so we come all the way to the rear and our bolt and firing pin come out super simple bolt construction just some guiding cuts on this side firing pin and extractor on the front this bolt is a little ugly because it's been restored as a matter of fact this whole guns been restored you may have seen the anvils on it this thing was welded up and it has been put back into service because someone at the time did not want to do the ATF cuts on it and so they registered it even though it was welded up which was very good because it allowed it to be restored at a later date a completely leak away which is great so basic bolt the interesting thing is that the firing pin is separate there's some theory that this uses an advanced primer ignition method which means the firing pin especially because it's independent gets to strike down and discharge that round ever so slightly before this forward mass reaches its zenith so in other words the bolt is not quite done traveling forward when it goes bang and that means that the bang has to stop the bolt and drive it rearward this is being debated a little bit we're trying to get some examples in to look at because it's it's such a small measurement that even after some field where you may or may not get that benefit anyway so you know be warned some sources will say advance primary ignition some old it's a little up in the air I haven't really torn into enough pieces to be 100% sure just know that that's a thought that's out there so with those guys apart the gun is in enough of a detail strip that we can service it there's nothing really fancy to go through but if you want to go further and we're not you would come up to the front here and the front sight itself is a drift so it's a key that is set across our route and then it's tabbed into if you look at the very front of this guy it's tabbed into this cap right here which can be spun off like our rotary phone and when you spin that guy out you free the barrel to come right out the reason I'm not gonna bother doing that right now is that this gun was hand put back together for restoration the barrels pressed in there kind of nicely I don't want to disturb it right now just for the show all you need to know is drive this guy out spin that barrel comes out very simple to change in the field excellent military weapon now not visible here because of the new-made barrel is the fact that this gun in the chamber has that same offset operation as you saw in the Luger which we discussed in that earlier episode this was a precursor to the fluted chamber and wasn't a long lasting feature of 9-millimeter handguns or submachine guns now of course this system right here relies on a magazine and you know it's pretty unique but we've seen it before right we did the LPO episode I still think though we should cover a little history two variations of the lucra trommel magazine were made but the first was replaced by the time of our gun today so we only care about the second variation it was produced at gebrüder being AG of nürnberg known at the time for their tin-plated children's toys as a matter of fact they were the largest toy maker in the world by 1915 while exact production is unknown as many as 800,000 may have been produced in the waning years of the war the bulk of which would have been destroyed afterwards as we'll see like a big pizza pie but let's look at something else first this sleeve is the most unique component here the rest of this fits in a Luger as is but in order to fit it to the submachine gun and not drive everybody crazy with a big hunk of metal sticking off they needed this little spacer in order to make it work with the short mag well of the MP 18 which still sticks out quite a bit so don't lose this guy and trust me you will because when you go to load this action and by the way this is a reproduction loader but it works just fine this loader will not pair down with this system unless you have that guy out of the way he will not fit I'm sorry guys I'm trying to find somewhere where my depth of field works out he just won't looks like he fits but every time it fights me so nope just go without that guys to take them off set them aside don't lose them and then you can use your nice little water pump for cartridges now you can in theory load this magazine up one round at a time by pumping and putting it pumping and putting until you get to about maybe 10 to 12 rounds at which point you're gonna meet so much resistance that you can no longer do anything about it unless you come to the back of the gun and I'll have to make my life easier I'm gonna remove this guy and bring it to the rear let me get that where you can see it at the back of the gun we have this big ol or the back of the magazine rather we have this big old cocking arm and what I have to do is I have to rule do this it is no easy feat Oh hand strengthening exercises go once I'm all the way back here I push this button and hold it until it falls into a keyway and there she's locked woohoo so from there you would have your water pump back at the end of the gun and you would pump away so I would attach this and I would one by one insert round pump insert round pump until I got 32 rounds in the gun while you're doing this you may notice that on occasion it binds they struggle sometimes when you take it off the follower tries to come flying out with you with extra hand it's a nightmare this system is cool but cool does not mean good for a battlefield this is kind of nuts like having all these little pieces everywhere in addition to all this you would also have a cap to protect the magazine from wear so you pull the magazine take the cap off and I'm not sure if they discarded them or threw the caps in their pocket for re years I have no idea there so you'd have a cap this spacer and this loader for handling these mags that's a bit wild and I can already tell that this thing is gonna try to throw the follower check it out see right here where our follower is just kind of down in there I'm gonna pop that over go we got lucky so that little pin right there let me get the patented plastic and poking that little pin if he's stuck in there like a little grit gets in there and you let that fly that thing I'll just come right on out so good luck to you guys whoo-hoo-hoo know what is interesting about this mechanism if I get to the rear is that as it unwinds so I'm gonna have to do this with the arm extended there is a notch and I'm sorry I'm going off a field this notch here at the back or that arm kind of [ __ ] up into the corner if you were to read that notch against these numbers that are written on the back of the cylinder so I think I have it in good focus still have some numbers around the rim that's how many rounds you have remaining as it comes around the clock until you get to the base Oh which is where you lose track because now everything's residing up in the stick portion that you know the most Awkward sheep de pétanque him the stick portion of the magazine at this point yeah there's nothing about this mechanism that can help you keep track they did not want to cut a window and make this an even worse nightmare to deal with so the snail drummer trommel magazine is super cool to look at but I don't know that I would call it the best battlefield accessory intimidating-looking cool-looking you know fascinating yes all above something I would bet my life on not a high high rank there all right we've got a magazine and we've got a gun let's get both into May's hands for some demonstration the MP 18 would be carried in the safe position unless in use just pull the charging handle rearward lower and release to ready the gun the bolt now rests on the sear highlighted here in pink in turn this is activated by the trigger bar via the trigger pull pressed forward by the recoil spring the bolt strips around from the magazine and drives it into the chamber where it is instantly fired driving the unlocked bolt rearward so long as the trigger is held the bolt will be returned again by the recoil spring the drum magazine feeds the cartridges single stack through the left-hand side of the receiver these are powered by a combination of a standard rectangular coil spring and a following armature which is powered by its phone clock spring if we have the bolt we can see the independent central firing pin at work and the extractor in red which does not grip the cartridge until after it is halted by the chamber pulling the spent case into the fixed ejector it clears the way for the next round with the magazine near empty we can better see the unique hinged follower head and how the standard coil spring and read does the final work of feeding the last rounds overall a simple gun and a complicated magazine [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] pppp yeah it's pretty dang need now the Prussian war ministry would order 50,000 mpa teens from Theodor Bergman yet by the end of the war fewer than 10,000 had made it into proper inventory the highest serial number I am aware of is seventeen thousand six hundred seventy seven and so it's likely fewer than 20,000 were completed by 1919 1920 it's estimated that roughly three thousand may have made it into the front line so the gun did see some limited use period documents for this gun can be a bit scant post-war what few were made were largely lost or destroyed and I haven't seen any captured papers as it was expressly forbidden to bring the training material for the MP 18 to the front line we do have access to a 1920 manual that was meant for police more on that guy in a moment surprisingly a lot of data has been turned up from supply documents as special equipment that was for specifically this gun helps reinforce our estimations of what was available and then early post-war Czechoslovakian submachine gun training also carried on from the 1918 German tactics which at our picture so what do we get when we put all that together some machine-gun teams were made up of six shooters with MP eighteens six additional ammo carriers were in tow each with their own conveyor 98 or car 98 a Z the hope was to place one of these teams in each infantry company working independently they would be directed by the company commander the ration of nine millimeter ammunition for the whole team per day two thousand five hundred rounds handcarts were available for transportation when possible generally the trommel magazine can be found in canvas holsters on the hip designed to let the snail drum drop into the hand or you can also see them hauled around in bulky wooden crates these PCAST in hold five magazines one loader one spare recoil spring and one spare firing pin our 1920 manual lists 48 packages of 16 cartridges but observed examples seem to display only 24 that fits because 16 rounds to a pack 24 packages to a box 6 boxes to a team 2,300 for cartridges it's pretty close that daily ration and if we add up the full magazines we get about a thousand rounds surplus which means that's sort of what you have to work with when you run out of your daily allowance notes from the construction and issue of P Caston tell us that the storm through pin' weren't the only planned recipients of this mp18 Yeager's bicycle and even some regular infantry were to receive the boxes and therefore we would presume they will receive the guns other notes have suggested that there was a broader plan to arm all officers NCOs in every 10th rifleman with the MP 18 this was likely due to positive feedback from the frontlines which is also where it supposedly got the nickname kugel spritz now you all saw may shoot the MP 18 and that grip seemed uncomfortable I'm sure a lot of people are probably getting ready to be like you need to hold it up here like I kind of do well I'm sorry to say that is absolutely insisted upon the grip right here in immanuel in my limited period photo show that they really took it seriously so don't break with her about the grip boys historically that is accurate and speaking of fire there were two modes defined by German tactician z' the bursts that you already saw me using right well brief firing periods and then was called mowing fire sweep of the gun in a defined arc of about 15 metres 100 metres distance this was meant to render that little region of the battlefield and penetrable at short range so let's give it a try [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] yeah it does not take a lot of imagination to realize how effective this thing would have been in warfare but that does not mean it is perfect complaints against the MP 18 included but we're not limited to the gun overall did not have the range of a proper light machine gun duh it could theoretically be defeated by trench body armor and also like the penetration through many other surfaces found in warfare it's a factor for the car truth sure the trommel magazine unbalanced the gun and that same magazine was fragile jamming easily when damaged it was difficult to reload they required a special tool to do so and it was awkward to handle in general storing carrying and aligning for you know inserting into the magazine well so much so that it necessitated a man to be a magazine carrier when a simple stick mag would have meant one man portable submachine guns everywhere honestly from my perspective there are only two complaints that really matter one some people just didn't know what a submachine gun was for that's a tactical issue and then to the magazines frankly stink but apparently those two were enough to cause division from the British whose fact sheet on a captured MP 18 released in October of 1918 dismissed this thing as a pistol gun and cited the same complaints that I've mentioned here you know it's kind of funny the Winchester 97 trench gun and the MP 18 coudl sprits both try to solve the same problem on the battlefield where the shotgun was heralded as a miracle weapon and yet barely used and honestly did a terrible job in warfare this gun was much derided in mock from the auntaunt and yet did an extremely effective job in battle now the fact that nobody seemed to want to visibly be impressed by this particular gun by the other side they must have had something to fear because this was banned for military use in the Treaty of Versailles and like so many other German weapons of this period you can find MP teens with a 1920 inventory stamp and that's because thanks to the disarming of the people law well all these guns were collected up by the government and when they were done so they paid a little cash to the people who turned them in and since they're worth money they might get stolen from inventory and sold back to the government so we'd better go ahead mark them make sure we know that they've already been sold into the government one server already in government storage so we don't get ripped off it also proved that the gun had been inventoried and counted given the MP 18 was banned from army use many were destroyed making them a rare piece to stumble upon today usually the ones we still have around survived by working for the police departments just like the American Thompson they were used at home for riot and banditry control perhaps as many as 8,000 survived this way though that's an estimation based on the legal limit to their use within Germany thanks to dropping the Luger LPO 8 in its trommel magazine from service the stick magazine was finally fitted to the MP 18 and a fair few underwent an interwar conversion into a straight stick pattern again through World War 2 both patterns were lost in large numbers through a mix of being refilled 'add police reserves being bombarded and another post-war disarmament turning back to 1920 though since the Bergman company could only manufacture the MP 18 for police and they had plenty enough for those left over in surplus the design was licensed out to sig in Switzerland Hugo Schmeisser hated this as he likely had some financial interest in the patents he would leave Bergman over the matter and patented several features of the already existent MP 18 under his own name before setting up at CG Hanul where he further developed his submachine gun Hugo had plenty of other designs that will hopefully cover some other day along with those we may even get to talk about other designers who now flocked to this new weapon the submachine gun and yeah technically the viler piroso was existent before this gun and there's even some evidence of shoulder stalked versions of it and their guns split up Villarosa the the Beretta there's there's some argument there as to which gun came first but to my understanding all of those Italian guns well they're pretty complicated the fire rates are all over the place and they don't seem to have made it into the front lines and if they did we sure as heck can't prove it yet no no no this gun made it into the fight this gun was fully developed from the start and this gun set the pattern that was emulated for decades to come dead simple and deadly effective it deserves the title of first first of its kind so with that said let's get Mays opinion on what it's like to use this thing alright once again we've made room for May and we have probably one of our more interesting episodes right here this feels like we're in that range with the pettersen device so the Winchester trench gun it's another gun that people really like to think about the MP team the world's first practical submachine gun that's cool now just to be clear that's because this is a shoulder stock pistol caliber fully automatic carbine style weapon so I would say you know at the time they didn't know necessarily to call it a submachine gun the Germans called the machine and pistol this is a gun that's just a little tiny carbine with a lot of danger beans well I mean if you think about it that's not a bad title to call it because it's a machine gun but with a pistol cartridge so it totally makes sense that that's where they would go with their designation on it oh yeah and then the British called it the pistol gunner after that because that's just what the Germans called it this is what I would think of it as - I can't disagree with their assessment on that yeah so that's how new of a concept though like we take it for granted how much we know about these guns so let's kind of set back the clock and pretend we're in World War 1 and you've only ever seen the stuff that we've already seen in this show and then this thing waters in the battlefield may what's it feel like what would you describe to somebody if you're trying to explain this thing well so like he said this is not quite like anything we've shot before not quite like a machine gun or rifle or a carbine or a pistol it's it's definitely different it's very compact yet incredibly dense um amazing to me that it's a pistol cartridge accompanying this thing he's right it kind of makes me think of the Pettersen device in that respect but you know that's a full rifle with with a stick mag pistol cartridge this one not quite that carbine with a stick mag pistol cartridge I know well so here's the thing as it is right now like I said very dense but the balance feels pretty good I'm feeling pretty tight on this this this feels maneuverable it feels fantastic how is that as a carbine hoenn don't you mean I know where you're going but give me one second how is that as a carbine semi pistol grip stock get up on your shoulder again for a second okay where's your grip at how's that feel well so right here where I've got my rear hand my right hand it feels pretty good I've got the semi pistol grip it's locked on it feels like it's depositing my finger just enough forward enough where it needs to be you know a smidge thicker than you like maybe a little bit and then my left hand kind of feels like it's an awkward place because I've got these finger grooves here that obviously it's where I'm supposed to put my hand and they showed that in the training manuals as well it's very intense about that and I understand why because you can't put it up here that's the the hot zone after a while I put over the hole is right because that's where you know rounds got a case they're gonna come out and then I can't put it here because that's you know this is the mass release and this is where the mag is gonna be and I don't want to go messing with that so I literally have to hold it back here almost like a an eight millimeter show shock that I took my forearm in and you have to have the finger Bruce because it does kind of want to shift on you so you want bite but if you were to reach up and grab this edge right and then I'm getting into the bolt where it needs to move so there's literally there's no wrap around there's no wiggle room for where you're putting your hand and boys and girls you're putting it here yeah that thing wants to punch your piggies just a little bit and then and then we got a problem yeah that's that's what I'm getting into was this guy so you've got to be able to load this in and even just with no rounds in there because this is empty it you can already feel the weight difference on your forearm right here it really does weigh you down and then unfortunately 32 rounds of 9 mil in there it's gonna add now you could argue that that's the case with any horizontally mounted magazine system very fact in some ways that one at least rakes back so it's staying a little closer to the center of gravity for the gun you've handled stennes would you say that this is different or the same as its then and having that weight off to the left side it's similar but the problem is is that it's still different enough because this is a this is a pretty heavy mass in and of itself adding the rounds to it 32 rounds on top of that that's a lot of weight and then on top of that this mag itself isn't actually quite stable because it's slowly like a clock winding its way down this little arm right here which it's a small amount of vibration but it does and you do perceive it it doesn't have a perfect fit in the well either so it kind of can slap around and he's right that thing is a tumor right let me see it can you take that out for a second I want to make a point here the Trumbull magazine is not stupid and I'm not making fun of the trombone magazine because the Travel Magazine solved the problem of putting 32 rounds into a Luger pistol if you have a Luger pistol and you're using this thing it is that is balanced it hooks back and then forward in order to Center that mass so like along this axis this thing is centered and then on top of that it's not in your way where it's at on the Luger it's below your little lower grip it stabilizes the Luger because it's a weight at the bottom you guys have seen this you can hang a way to pendular at the bottom of something and stabilize it for balance right like a guy going across a tightrope with the pole on either side to even the weight although this is just pulling the weight straight down this balance is the lucra it doesn't upset it I mean it sticks off a little bit to the left on that gun but not nearly that's that's often than your shoulders with the stock it's fine where is this one where the balance was fine just on its own the moment you add that in there it off balances the gun incredibly which kind of tells a separate story which is that Hugo Schmeisser designed that gun with a double stack stick magazine a lot like we saw the stennes and other guns for decades to come and then imagine your Hugo you know you're really proud you go are you proud of your gun I mean I'm pretty proud up for a lot of effort into it I mean I put this on it this has to go on there where off to the left side I can I can I just twist every Scout we gotta keep the hinge there just put this it put this on the gun yeah yep I'm the gpk yeah that's fine everything's fine it Wiggles no that's fine it's fine for weeks leave yeah I mean well it's gonna it's gonna go over insert and get bent up by the bolt if we don't put the sleeve there what yeah you know it's just just going I know it's another five pounds off we're already making these I'm not a gangster we took us two years to get this thing into production we're gonna make more of them okay those those were making those you go sad okay so we don't care for the magazine very much and you'll hear more about that in a moment but tell how hard is it to balance that gun with that mag there realistically it is incredibly difficult for balance at first don't get me wrong as you lose rounds it gets easier but the problem still lies in that you've suddenly got this massive way off to the side that is ever so slightly jiggling and you're trained to hold down the center line right so it would have felt so much nicer if I could have gripped right here because I found and this is just not something we could do because it's not something that they were using we should totally do it that way sure this way plenty of times this feels way better it's still slightly awkward but it feels way better than gripping right here I am constantly having to fight it even empty just to keep it from twisting and me shooting gangster yeah but yes I found my favorite grip let me show you guys where you can see it and I'm pulling it sideways I don't actually shoot it sideways put my pinkie up here on the inside of the mag release all the fingers to the outside of it and then that to me with a loaded mag balances the weight right now it's a little heavy to the inside but with a fully loaded mag it tends to even out and it I can even let go of the gun and just hold it like this and it's steady but if I do this and try to hold the gun up I am putting a ton of weight okay I'm already accidentally gripping up over the wood it's down here you go hold it and it's try get that torque is really troublesome so I ergonomically balance wise that izing is a pain so I'm just gonna take it off for a moment while you talk about the rest of this gun does he still have you see there's some more to it than that because I feel like we've done a good job it's a tube but tell us about you know safety and stuff like that because they haven't they don't have they don't know nobody's seen this before remember we're playing imaginary no submachine guns this is unique and different so yeah the safety I found incredibly easy and simple to use open bolt system this means it's live ready to fire of course and if I want to just make it safe you just rock back rotate and popper in it's not something I can slap off it's not easy and it does take a lot of weight in order to pull it back and make it live again and I'm if I'm the officer nearby I can see oh yeah very clearly with a visual indicator right there with the S it's got a nice deep cut groove in here later it can understand what what it's doing like I see it blocking it I understand it and then the handle off the bolt it's a nice big it juts out pretty far easy to grip there's no real screw in that one up it's it's pretty great and then if I want to be able to take this gun down we normally don't talk about take-up takedowns on this show because it's not really something that we talk about like urgh anomic lee it's not really even something nice we talk about it in the history and sort of the development but we don't talk about in the member station but the more we've handle automatics the more clear it's been it's critical because we always have to go into them for repairs well the reason why I wanted to talk about this one specifically was because you know open bolt system you're gonna be worried about mud muck and things like that getting in there and that is a major concern especially for something it's fully automatic but for this one the takedown is a nice simple push of that button I can get into this gun there push button turn tap right and then it's like one of those peanut things and snakes come out oh no I don't know mud snakes yeah no even seriously yeah you just twist it off and you can get inside and I can have this gun cleaned out so easily so that's why I really want to bring it up was because that's a fantastic feature they've gotten there and you can swap the barrel by driving off the front sight turn your rotary you drive the front sight you rotate that front piece and we are unsure we believe the longer screw of the set screws on the side you may orient the barrels because the factory wise the barrel has to have a specific orientation for the feed right so you do have to maybe loosen that screw a bit and take the barrel out but that's it it's not a lot like it's super easy to get in and out of this gun yeah that's fantastic so yeah that pretty much covers everything there's a nice mag release button right here that's big and obvious and easy enough to depress single handed it's semi pistol grip comb Heights right where it needs to be we'll get into shooting in a second but that pretty much covers everything except again like we said just be careful and after a while you will notice it doesn't tend to generate a lot of heat on it when we're shooting cuz these nice little a little it's vented pretty well but it still what I want to hold it up know is you're still tempted but no so magazine release though actually give me one second go ahead and insert this mag quick as you can okay yes no flaring you told me do it quickly I know but there's no flaring there's no aid and you're aiming a small target for small targets so magazine loadings a little weird and then go ahead and like think about no no not like that imagine like go like you're shooting the gun try to quick strip a magazine out of that and it's just like yes this weird got it basically like if you want to one-hand it you need to effectively get this in such a way that you can quick release your hand wrap your hand around so you can depress your thumb and grab the mag and the problem is is that I think this piece right here is just too long if you were like half an inch shorter it has to be to support this or it doesn't but let's see the thing is this sticks off the sides so much and I think people are like why is that jut out and the problem is if it didn't this would just Bend like this would you needs enough metal support and then you wonder why they didn't go all the way down well then you'd have that piece of metal jutting out every time you try to use the gun right so you compromise this get halfway down the length so it doesn't Bend this yeah so again trommel mag for the lose but what about shooting it what's it like being behind the sights alright lining up my sights you know okay so here's the thing I'm gonna say these are pretty decent sights there for what I'm shooting at the they're big there baki they're tall but then they're also blocky so when it comes to maybe past like a hundred yards maybe 150 200 I think it's gonna start to get a little bit difficult I almost say done yeah that's one thing if they put a little tiny notch right there to kind of see where the center of it definitely most reminds me of like at the Berkey or late labelled sites with just big blocky sites although instead of being square cut this is inverted V yes and then it's so thick that I agree they probably could have cut a channel in the front sight to allow you a little finer accuracy because it's getting kind of hard to read it a hundred yards like you get down to a target size that's smaller than the width of the front sight and you start wondering where you are in the front sight I know it's not the most accurate gun but it still would help a little bit but overall at close range these sights are hard to beat ya know they are pretty fantastic and I thought a decent job no difficulty finding my target on that one and keeping my target but I may get in that in a second okay pulling the trigger it's a nice single stage trigger very smooth easy and I honestly loved it it felt very much like glass barely any cliff there to pull off of better than it needs to be for a submachine gun I will agree with that one the only thing that I thought was a little bit off was the lot time when I first fired it I still remember because I guess I thought I was gonna fire a split second sooner than what it did was it just to sear release and then bang right you're not relieved to see your release this is what I think Oh Coco got like I did just like it's it's almost like slow motion I can almost just like say you know snap the fire rate is like nerf football launchers with this feeling of something like shifting like the explosion to the end of that process right and then my hands like right back here with it so like all of a sudden everything's gonna come Hong Kong Hong Kong I don't know it's just that very first time I do remember it was just unusual now granted it's not something that I think threw me off like I don't think it affected my shooting at all it was just the first round maybe if that but that's just it like it was so long ago that I first shot this because I first shot it like I think after Mark had had his hands on it for a while they do some good restoration there but it's sort of this to me it's weird because it feels like if you're a revolver sure dinner it feels like you're having to do the sort of breath holding careful double action shot what you do because the in double action you're trying to squeeze a trigger without disturbing your aim right I do my best to keep my hand as steady as possible but you're actually not doing the muscle strength you're just doing that stability thing right and you're pulling a trigger that is actually a single action trigger so it feels really smooth and Chris mm-hmm but then it's like you once you pull it you feel a sear let go and the game is hold still just for that nanosecond or not even second it's almost like a half second hold still hold your finger in and just wait and that you can it's you can almost think it out on the first shot it was just that slow for your first time but after that you get used to it and then keeping her on target that I found pretty easy I honestly thought with the weight of the mag or with the jiggle of it it was gonna be a little bit difficult and then with a blocky sights I thought maybe at some point and you know it's a mission it's a fully automatic I'm thinking that's yeah I know what that's going to feel like and especially like I've shot modern stuff that stays on target just fine and then I saw a lot of World War 2 stuff like again we talked about stenz or grease gun grease gun as a little tiny aperture and it's like I've gotten used these little tiny weird apertures and the fact that my sights were like they'll wander mm-hmm so my sight will like I'm gonna explain it the gun has almost no recoil it's not pushing me around it's just the gun itself is jiggling right and with the gun itself jiggling my sight jiggles and I just can't quite keep them in alignment and I can't see through the hole anyway I just go and I start walking the shots in like it's just every time and I thought this was gonna be the case with this one but no honestly that pistol cartridge man that makes it so easy well it's not just the pistol because the other ones are pistol cartridge well I know fissile car just on top of that the weights decent like it's a lot heavier right so that really kind of helps you out there and then open sights like it's weird but this is the one time where I don't prefer the aperture I think the open sights works better for this I can so how would you rate the firing overall then fantastic I mean seriously under a hundred fifty yards I feel pretty confident with this guy and ingrates that we don't even shooting out that far but even so the the big open sights the the cartridge itself with this gun with this weight and you know semi pistol grip pulls it in there are a lot of pros that are going with this guy so I'm what I'm hearing is if you were a World War One army not just a person you would issue the standard issue that's what everybody would have right no so this is one of those types of guns that it comes with conditions I wouldn't want to have to be on open terrain I don't especially don't want to be on the Eastern Front and on tonight not anywhere you have a long way to go exactly and on top of that I don't know this is it's still a pistol cartridge granted yeah full auto but even at that come on man this isn't something you want to lace you out to everybody at certain conditions under 150 yards I'm thinking this is more like short to mid-range at best I'd want this in the trench with me this is a gun designed for urban fighting and while not even designed for urban fighting but it would work in urban situations it would work in very naturally dense areas like maybe a forest or a jungle and it would work in the trenches which is what it was designed for would not work in mountainous regions you don't want to be shooting from one mountain to the next not unless you're breaking a bunker right and then it's not gonna work on planes it's not they want to know if you could have issued it to everybody on the veldt in you know the borough war they would not be happy I don't know who they would have no use for it so it's not Universal and that's something that we kinda have to talk about because we always get asked what's your number one pick what's the best weapon and we run into this problem of it might not be the one you think it might be the worst one because it's some level let's say we have like a 50 something inch long gun that's very accurate or let's get into like the 1917 Enfield right rear aperture sight long-range shooter heavy barrel heavy whatever great accurate gun best is a sniper platform almost sure but it comes with a bayonet and it's a bolt-action so if you took that gun into burrower or into a long-range conflict on one of the various fronts of the war you would have a great weapon yeah be perfectly fine it's suited to the situation right whereas if you try to take this one into it maybe even a carbine in general necessarily want that either you want something with a long sight radius or an aperture sight like that in it of itself and a decent cartridge that can do the distance probably yes so so you take that you take that gun and you take it out of that mode and you put this gun in and you can't hit anything not zero you're lucky if you do you take that same gun and you stick it in the trench and don't get me wrong you can't pump up up up up up up and you wouldn't want to have that gun up against this gun at under 100 yards right pretty can kill people at short range it can it can it's just slower but it can and you get a lot of them with infantry and enough of those equals one of these right and it becomes this balancing game of like there is no universal perfect weapon at that time it's always gonna be for operational yeah we we can honestly pick what we think might be our most grounded one but the problem is is that we can name a gun that tried to do this the BA R oh yeah the BA R tried to be a rifle that was semi-automatic then you can use anywhere long range Mahwah and then use a short range of burst fire with this hip cup thing and all this other stuff but then we reach the issues you you and I both experience the hip cup situation where it does put you off balance and we both all everyone that shot it that got to try that with the hip cup agreed get rid of that saying just use it normal at the hip yeah it ends up being this even without the hip cup issue like nuts to that just the fact that it was even the thing we said about the PA are recalls like why did why is there full auto right like why bother you from the shoulder like a rifle and full auto mode that just it feels practically uncontrollable there yeah so you can only handle it at the hip which is weird yeah for in the cartridge it's full power cartridge you're only getting 20 rounds of it right it's one of it's like jack of all trades master of none and yet if you stop and think about it that's what we're looking at here now we're looking at something that was called a machine and pistol or a pistol gun or you know you might even think of it as a pistol carbine because at the time they didn't have the word submachine gun right mm-hmm so they would have just they were still making up words for this it was so new and it's kind of that same thing at the VAR it's a mash-up it's like we'll take this weird Luger magazine we'll put it in a carbine but the carbine will be full auto like a machine gun it's not that different from how they started thinking about the var and yet this seems infinitely more successful in that it has been repeated out just take the magazine off of it and every other aspect of this has been repeated for decades oh yeah the mobility that this presented for soldiers was fantastic so I guess the question is in the context where it's appropriate in if you're told that you are going to end up in a firefight and that firefight will be at under 150 yards yeah odds are close range would you take this yeah are you kidding absolutely I would definitely take this into battle with me if the conditions or the situation was exact was what I needed it to be that close range shooting is really where this thing from but really saying is what's your confidence on it in that range like in other words let's take out all in the places it doesn't work and leave it in just the range where it does work that's the only world that it works right does the gun because what we haven't talked about is reliability of the gun itself and hit confidence in the gun itself within its context how do you how confidently do you write like where do you put this on a scale of 1 to 10 10 being best I think I probably put it at between an eight and a nine which is still really up there and the reason why I even put it in that range is because on the pro side of things it's incredibly mobile it's it's it's easily accessible for cleaning or clearing any issues with it it's I thought a very easy gun to use and on top of that I didn't really have any issues keeping on target I didn't have to cite this gun in it naturally was shooting where I wanted it to shoot every single there was no question of my aim on this one the only reason I wouldn't give it a perfect 10 I would think is causing this trommel magazine fears of it breaking right fears about breaking fears of it just causing the off balance issues fears of it just having any issues that's where my fear is with this guy this one on its own if I just had this I'd probably give this a 10 but with that trommel maggots got to get bumped down between like an eight and a nine okay so this thing's really debilitating to the platform but even with this attached now here's the bigger question like yeah I would take this are you kidding me this thing is awesome even with that guy snag me in this thing is bad eh we've contextualized enough I think we've done a lot to sort of dial it down and make it put the other things cool as heck well yeah it's super cool guys and it works like it's really we've had once we got it set up because all of this game that we had to play in restoration was a dimensional game once we had it set up correctly it just works and then it can just run for it like it great said I'm sure eventually after time you're gonna melt down on it the dang can it run for a while yeah we only have two trommel mags to cycle back and forth you can't load them as fast as you can shoot them so but even then it don't cook up that hot like yeah dissipates the heat very well yeah so I have a very high degree of confidence in that particular weapon in its context even like again I agree with you the the trommel magazine is a big debilitate er so it's one of those it's one of things you know it's just that one little freckle that I've said it before I don't know if I set it on here it's kinda like poem it's just like there's always gonna be some bit of a tragedy to it or some bit of irony with it and then there's yeah it's never there's nothing interesting about a story that doesn't have a twist that doesn't have a fault like this yeah you can't the the mp18 can't be a Mary Sue it has to have some sort of debilitating feature because it's a World War one firearm we all do so it's although it is while it can't see that yeah can you imagine like this gun was supposed to compete with well so was competing that close range thing right we need something that works really effectively at close range to clear everything up right and everybody wanted to make a universal weapon for that so that the VAR tries to be everything the Patterson device tries to make the 1903 to an everything gun they fail and the Germans go let's just make a gun that is for close range and then we'll have rifles with it like we have men not every man needs to be an army on to himself so we're just gonna make this thing and since we're just gonna make it we can make it simpler so you end up coming up with a tube with a cylinder in it and a firing pin in that spring and then a rifle barrel and the only thing complicated in terms of machining operations on this entire gun are like vaguely the trigger guard but mostly this Mack well like this whole magazine assembly that is fairly complicated to mill out of metal not crazy not anything like we've seen on even most of the hand guns in the show but I would argue the MP 18 is probably the simplest to manufacture thing we have seen in the entire show and yet devastatingly effective oh yeah incredibly effective at within a certain range limit right so congratulations Hugo by the way take the most complicated thing we've ever seen on the show and just stick that in there you take the most complicated terrible clockwork thing it's a it's a it's like a spring that leads to another spring and a clockwork a blow like this things nuts the amount of time it took to make that they could have probably made several stick mags well it doesn't yeah I just I understand what they were doing like I get I get from a supply point that they want to have one hit large capacity pistol magazine I understand that and they couldn't make a double stack because then it wouldn't work with the Luger nope but they probably should just made to the I mean really by the time well I see that but then honestly they never made enough of these like they were the even as painful as this is to make they made enough for them these were easier to crank out than to set up an establish manufacturer of this by the time they got to it so and a lot of this is competing for the right quality steel and blah blah blah so okay III get it it's not like they completely doomed the gun but these are terrible the ergonomic Lee they're terrible functionally they're terrible they're the one thing that breaks your confidence in the gun because this is the thing that would break out of a makes my absolute confidence I still have confidence in it just makes it not absolute right there's nothing I would prefer to use it short-range than this in the war and so the competitors is again var which can do long range and short range but it's uncontrollable hipfire Petterson device which you know there we got our pistol cartridge and we can fire from the shoulder as a rifle but I deal with a pettersen device I don't have a lot of confidence in that cartridge you know I don't have any confidence in the system to run and neither the army only when they finally came back and tested those things they were all garbage yeah they're like they rust it up and sealed up and fell apart so no paraffin device and then can you think of the other one the other gun that sort of fits in this category he already talked about it the 97 the Manchester yeah yep - the trench gun shotgun which really loses effectiveness beyond 50 yards so you don't even get a 150 so I mean even within those 50 yards I don't think it's as devastating as this I think Isis farmers harvesting within 50 yards with this than I do with the Winchester yeah well I guess as much as everybody excited about it I don't see it I see this this is the supreme plus weapon for World War 1 and I would agree tell they didn't stick a bayonet log on it because if you you might as well spend your time reload in the mag you get a lot more out of putting another mag in this than by going ahead and using as a bayonet yep I guarantee you they told those MP 18 Gunners don't get in the hand-to-hand combat hang back and just keep yourself loaded and blast everything you see because provision is a close-quarters weapon that does not have a bayonet log on it I'm gonna tell you they knew they knew to just keep firing the gun that was better than having the blade at that point oh yeah and that says a lot for how the Germans felt about this gun because for it to be man-portable close quarters no bayonet lug yeah they they just they just knew that in needed the they knew that there's no point at which you have to make that transition like you do with the rifle there was no situation that was gonna come up that was gonna be necessary for this gun yeah you might if it's that locked up ditch it because if it's running at all you then load it don't waste your time yeah just get it going and it's fantastic I honestly think this is probably one the best things to come out of the war in terms of devastation per pfennig you know what I mean like how much money or time you put into a weapon and how much you get out of it there's not a lot that compares to the yield for something like this and we'll see a ton of this in World War two everybody's gonna be making slapdash wartime submachine guns whenever we get to talking about world war ii mm-hmm and there's a reason why really cheap and really effective for what kind of money are keeping devastating that's the motto yeah this all has become a Russian identity is this kind of thing so it's a brilliant idea that was actually born in World War one and we never get to say that it's a waste stuff that was like most of all were one is actual evolution the way people don't like to think about it which is that a bunch of stuff was made and then most of it went extinct and the best ones survived that's how most World War one weapons are this is actually something purposely bred out of the war well they didn't even know what to really call it they call it the machine pistol so yeah well I mean they call it the machine pistol the British sort of called it the pistol gun for a little while emulating the Germans and then eventually we get the word submachine gun which is close but realistically it's no better than calling it a machine pistol or pistol gun because submachine gun really belies what you do with it you don't really use it like a machine gun you use it like a really effective carbine in a lot of ways oh yeah like I almost wonder if machine carbine isn't the better word but of course that's never this it is what it is now but tactically it's it's all over the place yeah so it's an entirely new class of weapon though arguably people will say oh and I saw this early in the episode but they'll say viler puros and things like that they work entirely differently now the Beretta 18 the ovp those are guns that did work like this gun works but they don't appear to emit the battle and if they did they made it so late that this was already there and doing its job so I'm very happy to give this guy the title of first so you wouldn't take in the battle though we're ranking high rankings from that one definitely something within 150 yards I would feel very confident using yeah okay well I think that's gonna wrap us up I'm glad you could join us for something so unique if you'd like to see anything about what's going on with the show stay tuned after the credits for any updates but otherwise have a good one hi guys [Music] oh boy I have a lot of people to thank for this episode our buddy rusty for fronting an opportunity FC and David for chasing paperwork mark and his team for the still ongoing restoration of this particular piece Bruno for while things I actually can't discuss yet because there may be more also Alex the curator at Springfield National Historic Site for yet again digging out the camera and calipers for us make certain if you enjoyed this episode to drop them a line of thanks for their hard work plus at the eleventh hour our buddy full k4 advice and some archival material and of course may for going above and beyond setting up the visuals and doing the editing it's all a team effort and whenever possible we give every bit we can to those who helped to make that a possibility please consider supporting us on patreon or subscribe star if that's your preference or visiting the see an arsenal shop alright thank you all for watching

Channel: C&Rsenal

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Keywords: firearms, guns, WWI, History, greatwar, bf1, battlefield1, worldwar1

Id: bTGKqPQCp80

Length: 74min 13sec (4453 seconds)

Published: Tue Dec 17 2019