History of WWI Primer 050: Austro-Hungarian Steyr M.12 "Steyr-Hahn" Documentary

facing competition from the Roth crank Oh Oh aww gee sire would develop their own military handgun their home country however would not adopt it until they had to [Music] hi I'm Matthias and this is the austro-hungarian pistol m12 the Steyr Hahn let's get a look at it in the light box with an overall length of 8 and 1/2 inch and weighing in at two point six pounds this is a fairly hefty side on it fires the nine-millimeter Steiner cartridge and carries eight rounds in its fixed magazine it's loaded from a stripper clip now starting off I should say that name steyr Hahn is unofficial it's a nickname and it comes from the fact that this gun has a hammer hunt now the reason why that stands out to the Austrians in particular is because the previous service handgun the rock Rinka well it didn't never striker fire and as a matter of fact I must recommend that if you want to get into this episode you should definitely go back and watch our previous one on the Roth cranked up that particular pistol designed by Carroll crankin put forward by George Roth was adopted as the m7 and therefore production by OWG steyr and Budapest was guaranteed that proved to be a bit of a thorn in the side furrow AWG though because they had tried their own semi-automatic pistol designs headed by ferdinand mom liquor ultimately they would settle on the mon liquor 1905 as their final entry into those trials and of course as we know from our previous episode it was soundly defeated now with this particular pistol the answer to the Roth m7 well you really want to make sure that you've watched our episode on the Roth frança and on them on liquor 1905 and you're going to need to know a little bit about a third gun because this is really just like the Gewehr 88 rifle this is a commissioned pistol this is a gun that doesn't have one clear designer behind it no one name sits on it rather the minds of owg and we could name a few of them from our last couple episodes who I'm sure we're involved in some capacity but again none definitely signed off on it this gun combines a number of features of different designs into one solid concept you see the Steyr Han uses crank a short recoil locking system which relies on a rotating barrel the sliding clip are clearly from the existing OE WG owned Mon liquor 1905 and the frame well that is actually from the US now I want to pause here for just a second and rewind everybody's collective mental clocks because when we look at this handgun just at a glance at a glance you would say oh yes that's a big semi normal handgun you would just eyeball it and say ah okay grip here trigger there and then slide operated I understand conceptually what to do with this gun hammer yada yada I mean this is a very familiar-looking kind of thing yes there's some protrusions yes the dimensions are off enough to make you curious but it's a still what you know we're not looking at like an original borchardt or something where you go what the heck kind of steampunk nightmare is that this is a pistol but if we turn back the clock to 1910 we don't necessarily know that this is what a pistol is supposed to look like and if we sift through the designs that were prevalent right before 1910 is not necessarily true that we know that this is the most compact and acceptable design big names of the day included the Burgman the Luger the c96 mauser the Mon liquor 1894 in 1905 s that we mentioned before and of course the Roth crank ax but one particular military pistol was struggling for acceptance and yet its locking action in general shape and layout were wholly advanced this is the colt model 1902 a short recoil slide operated 38 acp handgun that would eventually lead to the development of the famous model 1911 for now though the 1902 was it faring as well against the competition and certainly wasn't the most outstanding design of the day we however know it's potential and it seems so did someone at OE w/g the 1902 is clearly the basis for the Styron's frame especially because of the way the slide and Barrel and frame are keyed together by that front walking wedge now of course the rest of the slide the Mon liqueur 1905 and use that same non-detachable stripper clip Fed magazine system so there you have it like the commissioner rifle this seems to be a commission pistol and I have found no one inventor credited with its complete design there are however claims that it was done by cranky himself all over the Internet but to my knowledge he did not work for OE weg at that time in fact his pistol made alongside Roth meant Oh aw gee had to find another partner to develop the cartridge for their new pistol they certainly couldn't go to Roth's company the work would be begun by colouring company who later became hurtin burger but cranky would change employment to the same hurtin burger as we said in our earlier episode which kicked off a series of disputes around the use of his patented short recoil rotating barrel and it certainly made for uncomfortable business partners so on 1909 the development was moved over to seller and Belet what they worked up would be the nine-millimeter steyr cartridge based heavily on the 9-millimeter largo by Theodor Bergman with near identical dimensions but walked out just enough to make them non interchange of test loads had featured a 9 gram bullet weight but this was reduced in response to uncomfortable recoil while short of nine millimetre parabellum this was still a respectable military cartridge for that day now we do know that by late 1909 the plans for this gun most of it we're already pretty much locked down and we're going to have a prototype either in late 1909 and early nineteen ten and unfortunately the only one real photo of this gun from a company catalog and more instruction book anyway this is something that was broken down by mots enjoy in their books that I highly recommend and is listed below you just have to sift through a little German but let me tell you that is one of the few things that is truly worth having on your shelf so give it a read if you want any more detail than what I'm going into today regardless I have taken the liberty of creating an artist renditions that we can sort of walk through the evolution of the features this first prototype had a smaller locking key at the front and no reinforcement around it on the slide it also had a larger cartridge release button and grasping groups set on the side the slide towards the front the grips were fixed with a pin instead of a later screw now the one known photo had the slide legend doctored in post-production so no clue what the original said it would rapidly giveaway to a second prototype in 1911 which now has an oversized slide reinforcement and it has a slide legend which clearly marks it as a model 1911 somewhere around the first or second prototype Oh aw gee decided they had enough of a handgun together to show it to the authorities and so they would write a letter to the Year Reich's Craig's ministerium and see if they had any interest in their new novel 1911 semi-automatic 9-millimeter kick butt pistol well unfortunately did they didn't they had the Roth cranked ax m7 and it was going pretty well for them they weren't about to switch horses midstream still Oh aw gee felt their new gun had promised and continued development this led to what Moxon Choi called a zero series which sports most of what we recognize as our handgun today I'll be it with a shorter front sight an italicized serial number which apparently existed in a brief separate block from later production they would quickly give way to early production models or the first series which really don't differ much from our World War One counterpart by the time we get to what's known as the second series we see more rounded edges on the checkering at the base of the grips and our inscription on the slide has changed for those of you who have done the heavy reading you're going to realize that I'm sort of bagging these up in broader categories than what's actually available from survey data if you really want to give it a nitty gritty about when something changes at zero 800 versus zero 500 that's the time to get the book out guys and it's worth every penny I know I've said it twice now so I'll leave it after this but right now you're watching a condensed video series despite how long it feels books are always better than even my ugly mug so let's get right back into it the first and second series ran up to at least serial number 5 177 and represent roughly half of the model 1911 s made the second half would come from a contract with Chile who ordered 5000 in March of 1912 these were marked today on one side and with the Chilean crest on the other the serial numbers were a bit odd the first 1000 had no suffix and from there each additional thousand has their own trailing letter but the numbers did not restart for each additional letter with the Chilean contract that would put the model 1911 per total production to about ten thousand two hundred or so pistols which was enough to sustain production into 1912 but certainly wasn't going to make it the most successful endeavor that oew G has ever had and so they still decided that this was the best handgun they had available and they still wanted to push it and they ultimately made more minor adjustments to the design in order to make it more marketable and by the end of 1912 they would actually interest another buyer Romania in December of 1912 they would order fifty thousand of the handguns of much more lucrative contract and further on in June they would order another five thousand now just because the order came in in December that does not mean that's when production began as a matter of fact it appears it started sometime in late January maybe even into February and that's going to prove crucial later on in this episode still the model number would be 1912 and it featured the Romanian crown on the slide it also had a dovetail adjustable front sight and the safety was reshaped setting straighter and deeper into the slide likely to prevent finger ouchies when loading the serial numbers were in series of 9999 then they roll over to one with the next letter suffix which makes more sense the highest known serial to reach Romania was 7 1 4 0 Delta that would work out to just over 37,000 delivered now the total delivery of 55,000 guns were supposed to be completed by December of 1914 and as we know from so many other episodes now anything that happens after a certain point in late 1914 while it gets cut up by the fact that austria-hungary holds exports so that's where that earlier number comes from now with the introduction of the Romanian 1912 came one key change to the functioning of the gun and I'll talk about that in just a second but the rest this episode is going to focus on what is the model nineteen twelve so effectively despite some differences in markings it's this handgun right here which means we can go ahead and take a closer look like I said this is a fairly modern handgun I mean we are slide operated and we have our you know safety back here like you would see on a 1911 we can [ __ ] and lock and release and then fire hooray when we do fire what it's going to do is drive this slide back and for a very short distance the barrel is going to stay fixed with the slide until it is rotated into unlocked and then she's going to go all the way back now because we're empty she's going to lock open but normally we catch the next round and feed forward you guys to understand how semi-automatic handguns work I'm sure if you're watching a show is long and boring is this one now the gun however does not have a detachable box magazine and this right here is actually a control lever for one of the two feed lips or a cartridge interrupter in this case and it's also part of what's holding the slide open so if we release this feed lip or interrupter it will be able to and I don't want to do this slam and everything will be able to pop our slide back forward which I actually have footage of myself confusing that for the safety versity of sleepy slash slide lock will show more about that in a moment now with this particular gun unique to it in the 1912 is that on the 1911 you could lock cocked and locked and I believe and I'm sorry I don't have a 1911 in front of me I believe you could also walk with the hammer down although there is not a solid hammer block this is not a very safe position to be in because you can still strike the striker but firing pin but one interesting feature on the 1912 specifically is that we're locked in place our hammer is forward and if we pop our hammer back it disengages our safety now I imagine that there's some cavalry reason for this because it's always they explanation for these odd features but I cannot understand why you would want to necessarily release the safety by cocking the hammer unless you're expecting to carry with a chambered round with the hammer down with an improper hammer block system I mean I am clearly able to hit that firing pin so it is a dubious quality but one they thought was necessary and was warranting a new model number now that hammer feature is actually part of a big mystery about a certain commercial model 1913 which exists in very small numbers we know these guns because they were marked as such and started a fresh cereal sequence with the highest known being five four nine seven our lovely book by Martin Choi has little detail on these guns as few have ever been found for analysis their notes came from an example known at the Royal Armouries now this is the part of the show where I get cheap ahead of some of these authors because we have a close personal friend one Jonathan Ferguson of the Royal Armouries which means we can pop an email and ask him a simple question and we have and that question is on the model 1913 which has cosmetically the features of a model 1911 it has the same shallow safety law a shallow slide lock original pattern to the safety but the question is if we set the safety and we pull back the hammer does that safety drop and the answer from him is yes yes it does and so for that little tidbit which takes time out of him and benefits from the fact that they are able to maintain a huge inventory of classic firearms an inventory that helps us researchers or in my case communicators well I think that might be worth visiting the description below and throwing a couple bucks at the Royal Armouries because those guys have a huge mission and a lot more expense than I do anyway outside of those donations we now know from that little tidbit that the model 1913 is cosmetically in 1911 with a 1912 internal features and so in my mind as an educated guess I will say that because the 1912 actually started production in 1913 that they probably took some of these half parts where they had started playing the internal mechanism but still had a bunch of the old 1911 non improved parts laying around have a feeling sitting in between two contracts with no one to sell them to they combined the new internal mechanism with the available spare parts and did a run of several thousand commercial pistols just to clean up and use some of that inventory that's my guess I still am waiting for confirmation and I'm not sure where it would come from but anyway back to our model 1912 because I'm sure a number of you want to see the inside of this pistol you see takedown on this gun is extremely simple if I flip her around you'll see a sort of spring-loaded notch where we can push push in that key is going to drift sideways to the other side of the gun we can pull and we can pull and we can pull some more and then we can wiggle and the whole thing comes free please do not lose the key it's pretty important alright so once we have the key what's happened now is that the slide is no longer fixed to the recoil spring which means we can draw it back with the simplest of ease and lifter up and off the action so our slide is now free and we've exposed our barrel which we can clearly see if I don't have my big meaty hands in the way has ever so slight a path a travel which causes ever so slight a rotation but it's not a little rotation to free it from being a locked into the underside of the slide a beautiful linear system now the barrel is just held in by the rails that slide being walked in the frame so this just lifts away there's nothing actually retaining it there and another interesting feature of this gun and this has been covered by our friend Ian before so you can watch that video as easily as you can watch this is that we have a captive recoil spring as a matter of fact it doesn't even go up to the front of the frame instead this key is an active part of the recoil mechanism the slide itself is not recoiling on that spring it's the key fitted in this slide that is recoiling against that spring so that explains why is so important to get extra reinforcement on this slide and again while we're at it very unique to this pistol are the way the grips are assembled because they are dovetailed into place so I'm going to go ahead and pop them off by unscrewing the screw although we know with the 1911 model there would be well the pre 1911 there would be a pin I'm certainly glad they want the screw instead that would be a huge hassle and then these just drift to the bottom so it's actually very well contained grips these are very rarely crashed because of it because they're so well supported although they do start to wear especially on the outside one at this bottom corner as you can probably see it now overall the gun is pretty much an enigma from there to get deeper into the internals because it's just a slab a solid slab very reliable and the one good thing about this magazine system being fixed is that you don't have any of the vulnerabilities of those thin walled detachable magazines now we know a hundred years later that detachable magazine benefits outweigh the possibility of feed lip damage or pinching on the sidewalls but that was not something that they could easily predict for back when they had a bunch of illiterate and trying to make something soldier proof you really might actually want to condense and make this as rigid as possible not an insane goal now with this impenetrable wall to not be able to really look through in this gun I think we're going to have to keep this one over to an animation so you guys can truly appreciate how this thing works alright we're going to load the pistol from a stripper clip and let our first round forward when fired the barrel and slide travel together as the hell with the log on the underside of the barrel terms it disengages the solid boys at the top placing them in a path within the slide that allows the slides to go to the rear without the barrel the safety on this gun is very simple it just turns the block the path of the hammer the same spring that returns with slide also powers the trigger the rest this is pretty straightforward you guys just enjoy the show all right let's get this over to May [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] you know honestly out of all the clip loading pistols we've seen in this show this feels like it was the easiest alright let's get back into the nitty-gritty recapping aside from commercial production we've had a Chilean contract 1911 and a later Romanian 1912 but no austro-hungarian one in hindsight we know that austria-hungary would come around to the model 1912 the question is what I mean you already see 5,000 in the hands of Chileans you see in order for 55,000 to Romania but of course those weren't all delivered and the reason for them not being delivered is the same as the reason for why austria-hungary finally gave a dang about this whole handgun well big handgun and that reason is that war were declared the Great War of European arms attrition was on and therefore exports were banned ain't nobody gettin austria-hungary guns but austria-hungary even if they don't want them anyway that means that the Romanians ended up with only like we said roughly thirty-seven thousand of their fifty-five thousand order and again there would be this offer of gasoline in exchange for guns only this time reading this material it said that the Romanians made the offer and that the Austrians sort of just let it pass I'm never really sure of who's offering what except for that both sides agree somebody offered gasoline for guns and somebody said nah anyway now these guns that did not ship the Romanian 1912 with the Crescent all they were kept and then moved in inventory over to the artillery those people who would then offer them for sale private sale ish through to officers in the austro-hungarian army for the price of 75 kroner a few examples of these original Romanian crown pistols can be found marked with a 1914 Austrian acceptance stamp in their trigger guard which tells us that they were seized because Romania did not enter the war early enough for these to be captures by December of 1914 we see a clear order for at least twenty six thousand of these handguns so the assembly lines are up and cooking and we know that they're coming through the pipe and the government is paying up front this is a good thing although they're still being offered for private sale for 75 kronor it's not like these are being bought and issued as the standard handgun they're just an available option and they turned out to be a very popular one because honestly this is a pretty good pistol if you're choosing from austro-hungarian inventory anyway at that point of course we ditched the Romanian crown and just start straight marking them for austro-hungarian service now this whole situation left o AWG with only one buyer for all of its small arms and believe me it was very profitable but it didn't mean that they weren't edgy about keeping certain tertiary products around when they could be making bigger money or spending their steel on rifles or parts like that in the austro-hungarian government also agreed so they had to kind of come together to work out how many of these were going to be made because pistols were necessary and there was no real ready supply of new made military caliber pistols in austria-hungary at the time outside of the initial setup for the m7 so we got to keep them going and to do that we have to have a guaranteed number we have to have these contracts twenty thousand at a time at a minimum here so that we're seeing enough orders over enough time to lock in an assembly line which takes up space and equipment that could be used elsewhere in men who could also be used elsewhere so oaw G would constantly put pressure on the government to keep ordering large lots so that they knew to keep running that equipment and men on this particular pistol now as part of this you'll see oh aw gee do things like say in the spring of 1915 they would reach out to the government and say hey we'd really like to finish that Romanian order and we have just enough men and material from this trickle that we could really get it done of course the government's not going to allow it but what they are going to do is quickly turn around say whoa you can't do that because we need another 20,000 give them to us given us and that keeps causing them to lay down these contracts so I hope that part of it at least makes sense now on the other side of this though the government didn't want to Anessa Sara Lee waste all their steel on something like this when they needed rifles and machine guns as well so they would set a limit of 800 pistols a week for much of the war although this would get bucked later on you would seem that staion production was a good idea because these guns were well received the government would praise oh aw gee both for the production and quality of the pistols and they would gain on the existing m7 proving to be its equal or superior to be fair if we contextualize inside of austria-hungary this is clearly a superior pistol I mean the only thing close to it in terms of potency and usability is that m7 and I'm sorry I've handled both this feels like a much more modern handgun and is a lot more controllable and usable for me anyway the other options you would have had were say like a Rasta gas or 1898 millimeter revolver which we've previously covered or that top brake 32 acp stired paper I mean neither compare to this this is my choice but that doesn't mean that it was not without fault you see a major problem would turn up in the spring of 1916 and that problem was that this lever here this cartridge release lever / if it's empty slide release lever don't get that confused it was a little bit too small and a little bit too awkward to use quickly curse this gun so it was pitched up a bit and slightly widened that's it guys problem solved now at this point I have a confession this handgun right here is not an austro-hungarian World War one service pistol this is a Bavarian World War one service pistol you see Bavaria found itself thirty thousand handgun short and they would reach out to OE WG knowing that these guys were on force production of 800 units a week they could technically produce more but we're trying to reserve materials and potentially men that could cross between the line so this would go back and forth with the Austrian authorities and the Bavarians and owg obviously or AWG you want to just give them whatever they could give them that's more money in their pocket but this way doubt until finally they sign an agreement in May 1916 for only 10,000 of the pistols and they can only be produced at a rate of 200 a week they charged them 60 marks upon bavaria would not be the only one to come calling for the potential of surplus Styron's as a matter of fact the ottomans made a request for 10,000 but the deal fizzle because the austro-hungarians wanted two hundred thousand kilograms of copper in exchange and apparently that was too much short transportation fell apart or I'm not really sure I'm really sad about it because I would love to have an ottoman steyr Han I wish it existed but anyway in March of 1918 the varian's would return for 6,000 more of these handguns in between the first bavarian viel the ottoman deal the second Bavarian deal o AWD managed to flex that 800 pistol number up to 1000 so at least production has increased and also in that second Bavarian deal they managed to get a sweetheart deal of the April and May production just being cut in half and shared with the various so that really got it over with quick the Bavarian pistols were serialized from 1 to 16,000 in a separate run so you can recognize one by lack of a letter suffix despite being a model 1912 now I do have to tell you despite their lack of a presence on the battlefield there were some more exotic variants of the Steyr model 1912 and all the way back to the model 1911 even there was a stocked carbine variant this used a wraparound ring and lever lock to fix a stock to the back of the pistol much like the c96 and again that stock served as a holster for the handgun itself examples of these guns also tend to have an adjustable rear sight which is fitted in a dovetail and must be adjusted and set it's not on the fly although at least one example is known to have been fitted with an adjustable tangent rear sight as well graduated up to a very generous 1800 shrit there would also be a 16 round extended magazine variant this and the stock were rare and saw no wide adoption or issuance honestly I'd want to comment more on these features but sadly we have had none to play with also what I'd really like to find is the most fantastic and realistically hilarious modification the Doppel pistol this was a single stock single trigger system rigged to twin m12 pistols double the firepower and only at the expense of all organ omits and common sense in researching and setting up for this episode I managed to have a conversation with our friend Jeff over at Tao Fledermaus and he wanted to make sure that I conveyed to you that the dable pistol concept was later well attempted Lee adopted by another grupe only this time they had converted it to use two revolvers that was the international organization of evil chaos do you know what this is sure it's a 12 shooter nice it's que haces new secret weapon it's a stereophonic missile a stereophonic pistol that's fantastic cheap you mean you can shoot a bullet from this barrel and you can shoot a bullet from this barrel and if you stand in between it's just like being there in person thankfully they were foiled by agent 86 and apparently poor Japanese manufacturing anyway returning to our pistol today a total austro-hungarian inventory on these guides by the end of the war would reach about 196 thousand units which is fairly impressive and then during the armistice in 1919 you see more production carrying on another eighteen thousand which means that the serial numbers on the Austrian guns can get all the way up into the Z bloc which is very impressive again overall these guns served well and we're more reliable than the average auto loader the cartridge was decent the operation simple enough despite that odd clip loading if you're more curious about performance however go watch Karl play in the mud with one now something this handy doesn't just go away after the war and as a matter of fact it would be fairly standard post-war in Austria until the on schloss at which point they would roll into German inventory and as we settle into World War two they would get dusted back off andrey chambered for nine millimetre parabellum rebelled and modified they are marked on the left side with oh eight and have later german proofing these guns were intended for police use and having played with a few in the past I can say that's probably because they can be a bit finicky honestly the fact that you can push nine millimetre parabellum out of this without incident is a testament to the fact that this is a very strong and duty ready pistol now with all of that wrapped up I think we're finally at a point where we can get me in here and get her opinion on shooting the Steyr hon all right once more we've made room for Mae and I have a gun so let's find out her opinion the Steyr Han or as the Austrians would say the m12 on the range starting with the ergonomics now I have the gun but seriously guys those Austrians make some weird pistols I can't wait to get into this I mean it is big it's long it's heavy I mean this is what I think of when I think of a military handgun it's awesome anyway so let me come down from that big long heavy slide is very heavy but because of these nice grooves here in this big solid block part of the rear sight it's actually really easy to grip so I'm able to pull back the slide while still being heavy with relative ease is actually not bad at all I mean yeah that's that's fairly simple the grip I will say it's somewhere between a Roth crank on and moniker 1905 it's not as steep as I would want it but at least it's got some rounded edges to it and that means that I wish it were a little bit center right here however it's still a solid grip I'm able to get my full fingers around it I just wish it were a little bit thinner just to kind of help me like feel like I've got a 100% comfort grip on it that's about it otherwise not too bad I will say I do like the fact that they actually have all little buttons and boodles up here on the left side because it is super convenient I don't have to change my grip in order to manipulate both of them like I've got my cartridge release right here and then I'm able to manipulate what is both the safety and the slide lock lever right here and it's really important to know what both of those things are isn't it I want to point out that the reason that happens is because on this particular gun if you retract the slide without using the slide lock it will rest on the follower and if you use our forward position switch here what it's going to do is retract that left-side feed lip a bit pulling down the follower and allowing this to drop so if you've handled this gun a couple hundred times getting ready for an episode or months almost a year ago now that we've had this sitting around waiting for other episodes to get ahead of it well you get kind of used to hitting that cartridge release button so when you take the action and you lock it open with the safety / slide lock and then get ready to shoot you naturally drop the thing that releases the slide which doesn't release the slide as a matter of fact at that moment it lets all the ammo out directly into your bearded face loading now I will point out the most embarrassing part that video has nothing to do with me it's that apparently may last like a firearm [Music] anyway moving on to our job at hand we still need to get her to calm down good sorry it's just really funny and talk to us about actually firing the Steyr hone all right so let's start out with a loading process on this guy I've got a stripper clip with 8 rounds it's sticking way up here and a stripper clip on a semi-automatic pistol like I don't like that concept at all it shouldn't do well right dang it if it didn't load smoothly it's not like I didn't want it to but I'm just nervous about the concept get this one loaded perfectly fine so good job on a idea that makes me uncomfortable guys anyway the sights on the start hon they're taller enough like I can still get a good sight picture on here but and I mean I'm certainly shot worse however there's not the best that they could be I guess I have shot better so they're kind of middle-of-the-road I suppose the best way to phrase that I will say I was not a fan of the trigger on this guy it is a Tuesday's trigger there's a little bit of take-up and then all of a sudden you just feel this cliff you know that break is about to happen and honestly I just prefer a cleaner brakes this one I just I didn't like the fact that I knew exactly when it was going to bang just wasn't the best anyway the recoil I will say there was more recoil in this guy than what I was anticipating and it let me think most of it just causes his high bore access that was probably the reason why I just want to snap up more however that being said the gun is heavier and it's got a heavier barrel so I was able to bring it back down a lot faster so I was able to manage it better than what I anticipated I guess when that initial with that initial snap so as far as the shooter goes I was accurate I still had a lot of fun with it there's just little bits I guess that kind of made it a little more complicated as far as being a faster reaction with realigning yeah out of all the stripper club fed pistols we've used I agree man the Steyr Han seems to be the fastest in terms of quick reloading and again we have limited sample sizes on these guns so it could be this could be that but and this at least has proven the concept enough to finally be a little more accepting of it although I will say even when done well it's a lot more of a fine motor skill than just drop slap and rack so I don't know guys I'm not sold on the stripper clip fed pistol concept although again we understand the historical context for it now one thing that you did not cover that I found particularly fancy about this gun is that nine-millimeter Steiner coming out of this barrel to me is just one of the most beautiful sounds in the world I hope our mics did it justice but if you ever get the chance in person I don't know what it is about the resonance of the timber or what but I love it anyway back to the slightly more technical slash subjective experience that is our entire show how do you feel about this gun as a weapon of war as a weapon to be taken into the trenches you know what I was given this guy a little bit of grease about the idea of a stripper clip loading pistol yeah it makes me a little bit nervous and little bits here and there like me the fact that it was a little too snappy or you know my or the sights weren't you know the tallest they could be ever all of those little negative points being said it didn't have any feeding problems the loading actually is as uncomfortable as I was with it it's still loaded pretty smooth I've got eight rounds integral mag so it's actually you know sturdy your sounder I'm not going to get dinged up as much you know and that cartridge that's pretty solid and this guy is big heavy military gun like this is this is pretty awesome like and I was deadly deadly anchor with it so yeah actually this one gets a good solid yes in my book I feel comfortable defending myself with this guy I'm gonna have to agree on this one I get this tire on yes in my book as well especially when you take into consideration for austria-hungary specifically because again Roth Cuenca a decent gun we liked it the moniker 1905 a decent gun we liked it but it had some problems with military service and then we have like the Steyr piper which that's a 32 acp break oven with no extractor there's a lot of problems there so when you're looking at at camp I mean this is the king of that camp and then when you start to put it up against the other designs like the Luger in the 1911 maybe it doesn't shine quite as bright but it's not so far off of their performance that you would be considered laughable you notice this is still a decent gun yeah so I think we'll give it a nice pass and we'll be able to finally wrap up this episode so again stay after the credits for the updates and we appreciate you all stopping by thanks guys [Music] well we made it the RepA sewed 50 great drawer of everyone to celebrate I've been pulling my hair out trying to take just four days off to go to that Atlantis show this coming weekend for you feature folk that's April 29th weekend of 2017 if you're also going to be there by all means say hi if you see us we're not planning any filming or hard deadlines for once so don't be shy about interrupting like we did in Massachusetts we're going to try to pick an evening once we have our feet under us where we can take some time to meet with some fans and tell them where we are if you'd like to do something like that by all means make sure you have us on Facebook and/or Twitter because those are the two that are easiest for us to update on the go also fair warning episode 51 proper will be delayed as we're going to do something hopefully as entertaining and enlightening and time-consuming in our usual slot in two weeks time before getting back to business as usual all right guys bye bye

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Keywords: firearms, guns, WWI, History, greatwar, bf1, battlefield1, worldwar1

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Length: 43min 23sec (2603 seconds)

Published: Tue Apr 25 2017