>> WHAT HAVE WASN'T YOU DONE, WHAT STRIKES ME ABOUT YOU, YOU WERE ONE OF FIRST. INLY TECHIALS TO SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP. YOU IN YOUR WRITINGS, IT WAS GRADUAL, BUT, WHY WAS THAT? WE HAD NOT SEEN A RIGOROUS PUSH BACK. WE DEPLORED HIS TACTICS. BUT AT THE TIME HE TOOK A PART THE CONTRADICTTION. WE WERE LOSING WITH BOB DOLE, AND McCAIN AND ROMNEY 46, FRENCH, 43, EVEN AS WE DID WELL. ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE. SO, TRUMP SEEMED TO BE ONLY ONE THAT WAS UNCONCERNED WITH WHAT THE ESTABLISHMENT. BY THAT NOT VAGUE, WHAT UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR SAID. HE SPOKE TO THE PEOPLE IN A WAY THAT WAS REFRESHING. OTHER STRANGE THING. HE DIDN'T BUY INTO THE NEW DEMOGRAPH, THERE ARE 6 TO 8 MILLION PEOPLE, WISCONSIN. NORTH CAROLINA. MICHIGAN, OHIO. PENNSYLVANIA. THAT EITHER DONE VOTE REPUBLICAN, OR THEY DONE VOTE AT ALL, I CAN WIN THEM BACK WITH NATIONALIST. STRONG JOB. I LIKE THE DEPLORABLE MESSAGE, PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WAS CRAZY. I THOUGHT HE WAS JUST, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DANGEROUS, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT HE WAS, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE IN A POINT OF NO RETURN. >> A POINT OF NO RETURN. YOU SAID EXISTENTIAL THREAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? >> WELL, I MEAN IF WE'RE SAY WE'RE THE TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE AMERICA, YOU AND I AM 65 MILLION THAT VOTE FOR TRUMP. WE HAVE THE NFL, NBA, SILICON VALLEY, APPLE, GOOGLE, FACEBOOK, ROCKEFELLER, THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTION, WE HAVE CABLE TV THE MAJOR NETWORKS, WE HAVE NPR, PBS, AND PROGRESSIVE CULTURAL MOVEMENT. MARK: ACADEMIA. >> WE'RE SURROUNDED. WE THINK THAT THESE INSTITUTIONS DON'T HAVE AS MUCH CLOUT AS THEY HAVE, THEN WE GET SHOCKED EVERY 4 YEARS THAT MESSAGE SURROUNDED US, WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM FOR BREAKING THROUGH TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, GETTING A MESSAGE, THE IRONY THAT MESSAGE OF FREE MARKET CAPITALISM, LIMITED GOVERNMENT IS WHAT THEY THREE THRIVE ON -- THRIVE FOR. THE CIRCULAR OCTOPUS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WE DON'T GET -- WE YOU AND I, CONSERVATIVES, TRADITIONALS, WE HAVE SAFE SPACES, IF I COULD USE THEIR WORD, WE RETREAT TO, FOR THEM IT IS 24/7 RELENTLESS ENTERTAINMENT, EDUCATION, POLITICS, MEDIA, THIS IS OVERWHELMING. MARK: DO YOU THINK IN PROGRESSIVES, YOU KNOW, THEY WROTE ABOUT THIS, THEY BASICALLY NEEDED TO DEVOUR SOCIETY, ALL MAYOR MAJOR INSTITUTIONS, DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE SUCCEEDED? >> I DO, IF YOU TOMORROW, MARK LEVIN GO TO STANFORD, YOU GIVE A LECTURE ON GLOBAL WARMING, I DON'T THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FINISH IT WOULD BEING INTERRUPTED. IF I GO TO STANFORD OR HARVARD, YALE, GIVE A LECTURE ON VALUE OF IN-- I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FINISH. I THINK IF I TOUGH I THINK IF T TOUGH I THINK IF TOUOUGH I THINK IF TOUCHGH I THINK IF TOUCH SOMEONE ON A SHOULDER, THEY FILE ADD SEXUAL HARASSMENT SUIT AT ME, I WILL NOT BE GETTING DUE PROCESS, THAT IS THE SOCIAL CHAOS WE LIVE IN. IN. I AM TALKING ABOUT REFINED SOCIETY. I DON'T THINK DUE PROCESS, FREE SPEECH, REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES, EXIST IN AMERICAN LIFE. MARK: YOU HAVE ALREADY -- YOU ARE SAYING, YOU HAVE SEEN, I AGREE, FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION OF AMERICA GRADUALLY? IS IT PICKING UP SPEED NOW? >> I THINK IT IS, I DON'T WANT TO BE PESSIMISTIC IN A SENSE, I ADMIRE YOU, AND PEOPLE AT FOX NEWS, SOME OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, REALLY BRAVE VOICES, THERE ARE IN ACADEMIA SAYING, I'M GOING TO SPEAK OUT REGARDLESS OF THE CONSEQUENCES. ROMANS AND GREEKS BELIEVE THAT PLUCKS LUXURY AV PLUCKS LUXURY -V PLUCKS LUXURY -- SO SOMEONE FROM INNER-CITY COULD HAVE AN IPHONE WITH MORE COMPUTING POWER THAN 6 IBM MAINFRAMES. I THINK THAT IS GREAT. BUT WE DON'T GET WITH IT IS SOME COLLECTIVE GRATITUDE OR SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT. WE GET THAT KEYIA -- KIA IS NOT AS GOOD AS TODAY'S LEXUS, I DON'T LIKE THE LACK OF GRATITUDE OR TRASHING OF THE SYSTEM OR OR ANCESTORS THAT GAVE US THE SYSTEM. MAYBE THE UNIVERSITY CREATED AN ARROGANT, IGNORANT COD ARROGANT, IGNORANT OOD ARROGANT, IGNORANT OFD ARROGANT, IGNORANT OF YOUTH BUT SOMETHING HAS GONE WRONG. MARK: FREEDOM IS A TREMENDOUS THING, BUT THIS GIVES OPPORTUNITY FOR VERY EVIL PEOPLE TO USE FREEDOM TO DESTROY FREEDOM, IS THAT WHAT THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION WERE TRYING TO PREVENT. THEY INVESTIGATE THIS -- CREATE THIS REPUBLIC, THERE IS A CONSTANT ATTACK AT THE PRINCIPLES OF THE REPUBLIC. PRESIDENT WINS THE ELECT PRESIDENT WINS THE ECOCT PRESIDENT WINS THE ECONOMY THAT I WANT TO GET RID OF IT, THEY WANT TO GET RID OF OTHER ASPECTS SEPARATION OF POWERS, THEY KEEP BUILDING UP A FOURTH BRANCH, AN ADMINSTRAIF ADMINITRAIF ADMINISTAIF ADMINISTRAF ADMINISTRATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. >> I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FRAMERS WERE UP TO, THEIR MODEL IS NOT A CONSTITUTION RALLY COLLY CONSY CONSTITUTIONALREALM. THIS IS RADICAL DEMOCRACY TO ANY GIVEN DAY, 51% OF POPULATION DECIDE THE LAW, THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION, YOU TOP KILL SOCK RAHTIES ON SUNDAY OR YOU CAN DO IT IT HAS BEEN STEADY, WE WENT FROM PROPERTY QUALIFICATIONS, MODERATE PROPERTY TO DIRECT ELECTION OF SENATORS, THERE WERE ARGUMENTS FOR THIS NOW IT IS ABOLISHES THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, AND ENLARGES SUPREME COURT, PACKING IT, AND ENLARGES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, MAYBE A THOUSAND MEMBERS, WHY PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA SAY WHY DOES WYOMING GET 250,000 PEOPLE GET ONE SENATOR, WE 20 MILLION GET ONE, LET'S TURN THE SENATE TO HOUSE, THE LONG-TERM PROJECTRY GOVERNMENT MANDATED. THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED WITH CIVIL RIGHT. WE HAD TRUE EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY, THEN, THEY WERE EXPECTING THAT EVERYONE WOULD BE EQUAL, HUMAN NATURE BEING WHAT IT IS, IT IS NEVER GOING TO BE THAT WAY. CONSERVATIVE POSITION IS, WE'RE NOT EQUAL BUT POOREST PERSON WILL HAVE A GOOD LIFE. IF HE IS IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY AND A CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM. BUT THEY SAY, NO, NO. WE DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT POVERTY OR WEALTH CIRCUMSTANCE WE WANT -- WANT -- IANT -- IS T -- IS WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE EQUAL WE WANT EVERYONE MAKING 20,000 A YEAR, AND POOR MAKING 50 AND SOMEONE MAKING A MILLION. MARK: EQUALITY IS THROWN AROUND ALL OF THE TIME, WE KNOW WHAT FOUNDERS MEANT. OF JUSTICE. THEY DONE MEAN EQUALITY OF ECONOMICS, THAT WOULD BE ABSURD, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. HUMAN BEINGS, WE PRIDE OURSELVES OWRK UNRK UNIQUE HUMAN BEINGS AND INDIVIDUALED, CREATED BY GOD, ONE DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER, BUT IN CIVIL SOCIETY WE ARGUE THAT THE LAW IS THE LAW, EVERYONE SHOULD BE TREATED AS BEST AS WE CAN EQUALLY IN FRONT OF A COURT, IN FRONT OF THE LAW. BUT THIS NOTION OF RADICAL. REALLY IS A EUROPEAN IMPORT. WHICH IS ALIEN TO OUR FOUNDERS. >> IT IS. IT HAS SOME PRECEDENCE IN ANCIENT WORLD. ARISTOTLE A CRITIC OF THIS, HE ASSUMES HE CAN BE EQUAL IN EVERY OTHER ASPECT, PLATO SAID THAT PROJECTRY OF DONKEYS AND DOGS IN ATHENS HAVE TO VOTE. BUT, YOU ARE RIGHT, IT TAKES UP SPEED, IT BIFURCATES, WE THOUGHT WE WERE SAFE, ANGLO-SCOTTISH TRADITION WAS MORE. AND EUROPEAN MODEL IS ONE THAT PROGRESSIVES CHOOSE. WE'RE BORN TO CHAINS, THAT CHURCH, COMMUNITY, FAMILY, DUTY OF GOVERNMENT TO TAKE OFF THOSE CHAINS, AND LET EVERYONE BE LIBERATE, AND THEN WE'LL BE HAPPY. WHICH IS OUR COLLECT OF COLLECTV WHICH IS OUR COLLECT OF COLLECTE NIGHTMARE. WE'RE HEADED TO A RADICAL SOCIETY, AND ASPECTS THAT TRANSCEND POLITICS. MARK: ADVANCE THIS NOTION, OF POPULISM. WHEN THIS IS AUTHORITARIANISM, PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY HAVE DEMOCKTIZE SOME PROGRAM, SOME ISSUE, WHEN IT IS NOT DEMOCRATIZED AT ALL. THEY ARE NOT INTELLECTUAL ELITES, THEY LIKE TO THINK THEY ARE, WHO ARE THEY? WHY ARE THEY ELITES? BECAUSE THEY ARE ELECTED? THEY ARE MEMBERS OF UNION? I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY THEY ARE SO ELITE? >> THEY THINK THEY WENT TO A PARTICULAR -- BRANDED LIKE CATTLE, THEY THINK THAT IVY LEAGUE BRAND WILL ALLOW CERTAIN PRIVILEGES. BUT YOU LOOK AT SILICON VALLEY, WITH A GATE KEEPER THAT DECIDE WHAT IS HATE SPEECH, WHAT IS NOT, THEY CONTROL THE EXPRESSIONS OF 7 BILLION PEOPLE ON THE PLANET, BECAUSE THEY ARE MORALLY BETTER THAN WE ARE, YOU TURN ON PUBLIC TV OR CABLE TV YOU GET ANGUISH ABOUT THESE PEOPLE ARE YOU KNOW THE DEPLORE DEPLORABLES, THE CLINGERS, I THINK THEY USE WORD EAST GERMANS, I HEARD THAT SAID, I THINK THAT JOHN McCAIN CALLED THEM WACKO BIRDS, THERE WAS A REAL CONTEMPT FOR PEOPLE THEY DON'T FEEL THAT PROPERLY KNOW HOW TO USE THEIR FREEDOM, AND THEIR ECONOMIC CLOUT, THEY TOO SPHEUP STHEUP STUPUP STUPID STUFF, THEY BUY JET SKIS, THEY GO SNOW MOBILING AND THEY POLLUTE THE UNIVERSE. THEY CAN SAY, YOU KNOW WE'RE DOING IT FOR YOU. AND THROUGH OUT HISTORY, WE HAVE SEEN THESE PEOPLE, THEY HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON, THEY ARE ALL EXCUSED OR NOT SUBJECT TO THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THEIR OWN IDEOLOGY. MARK: I WANT TO ASK BUT RAMIFICATIONS. YOUR INSIGHT INTO THIS ELECTION THAT JUST OCCURRED. 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