Hey, At Least They’re Reading - EU Commissioner, CocoaPods, Apple TV+

it's time for Mac break weekly Andy Alex and Jason are all here we will talk about Apple saying hey you know what we think our products ought to last a little bit longer their new longevity report eu's competition commissioner says shame on you Apple you you said the quiet part out loud and we'll talk about Apple TV's prospects in a world where streaming seems to be dying that and a whole lot more coming up next on back break weekly podcasts you love from people you trust this is [Music] TWiT this is MC break weekly episode 928 recorded Tuesday July 2nd 2024 hey at least the reading it's time for Mac break weekly the show we cover the latest Apple news for show of July 2024 we're getting ready for the 4th of July which is everybody body knows it's a major holiday because the UK is electing a new prime minister no uh Alex Lindsay is here from office hours do you do a office hours on the on the fourth we do it every day we haven't missed a single day Christmas Day all that wow Christmas Day New Year's Day something they're only an hour but they're still we still do them yeah absolutely I get uh I have to prepare our International listeners who don't know that there's a special day on the 4th and they're they're going to call us and say what happened to my show there was no there was no Tech news weekly this week that's Andy anako calling us I think from his Turkish prison cell would be my guess well not my Turkish prison so it belongs to the government of turkey but we're having some good talks I'm getting a lot of my my my pranas are very very much aligned good uh you moved in after Assange moved out I think yes yeah I'm because oh my God he the the the the Broadband he had installed here you know nice he was a he was a but he knew how to get what he want up and down I'm impressed great to see you Andy from gbh in Boston also with us Jason Snell from six colors.com and it's always a fun game to guess uh where you are and now I'm looking at the lava lamp and it's not moving that means it's real when it moves I can interact with objects back there don't ask me that every time or we will be but uh yes I am in my house uh where it is uh getting warm uh well I live I live in a a place that is very much close to the bay and and uh we're having a heat wave but it's not gonna it's it's fine I'm fine we're not gonna have a historic and historic hurricane I hope hurricane Barrel but uh let me just see here in earliest cat five in the season ever yeah it's not good not good and it looks like a wide swath but let me just look at our uh 94952 is our ZIP code it's not working okay anyway uh it's going to be hot look at that that's the map of the US it's red it's red like a uh like an elderly man at a Madonna concert it's just not good fall colors fall colors that's what it is that's what it is Andrew 98 it says our 10day 98 is not bad I saw uh you know this is where the weather apps vary considerably my I saw one weather app that said we're going to be in the hundreds I see this one says 94 weather.com says 98 uh this is Apple oh no this dark sky I think spinning weather wheel I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court just ruled that Biden can hire a squad of my Elite attack ostriches to eliminate Trum okay I don't know what he said but she said but 91 according to dark sky to uh uh carrot weather so I don't I just don't know I just don't know we're just going to watch interest am I am I Android phone there's the weather widget that's built in you can't get rid of because Google sometimes doesn't understand design I've got a a widget for fora which is like a good combination based on facts and then and and a third one that's just cuz I like the design of the widget and every time I pick it up it's like I'm just going to pick whichever one makes me feel good random yeah yay 81 degrees well we'll watch I think it's going to get over a 100 we should have a little H bedding pool John Ashley like is it going to get over a 100 or not probably so it's supposed to be over a 100 I think in the East Bay for sure yeah possibly i saw4 s my Amazon Echo told me it was going to be 104 today and that's why it's really interesting there's there's such a variation anyway we'll see you want to bet a Runza yeah let's bet a Runza how I think there's at least two left there's two left that's why so we everybody wins uh margarit vtiger who is the former European uh competition uh commissioner she's now uh a uh a regular uh full-time Executive Vice President of the EU commission says Apple's decision not to launch its own artificial intelligence AI in the EU is a stunning uh declaration an open declaration they know 100% that this is another way of disabling competition where they have a stronghold already uh we mentioned last week that Apple's response uh to the EU was to say okay well you don't get AI in that case and I we're just we're just so terrified because there's absolutely no way we could possibly check to see if any of these AI policies are going to make it are going to comply scary AI is just scary well yeah well especially a quote like that you need a little bit of context it wasn't like this was she gave a she gave a talk uh a news release in which she thumped her fist on the table and yelled about Apple this was at the end of like an hourong talk talk she gave uh to uh to a European Body and it was during the Q&A that he was asked she was asked directly uh to to the best of your knowledge how does Apple's wall Garden apply to their AI how do you interpret their decision to not release Apple intelligence features in the EU so she was basically saying that the obligations they have in Europe is to be open for competition that's the short version and I find it very interesting that they say quote we will not dep deploy AI where where excuse me we will not employee AI where we're not obliged to enabl competition unquote and that's the most stunning that's where the stunning work com from so basically she's saying that well if you saying that the only place we're not going to do this is where there's actually something like these rules she regards that and I'm sure she's stoking the fire here but that's where that quote comes from she says it's that's that she basically says that if there's competition we don't want any part of it uh so again Apple like you said last week Apple did the same thing where it's like oh well gosh we're oh gosh we're handcuffed because there's no way we can introduce these features with the digital markets act like okay yeah so back and forth it is it is rhetoric Apple threw a punch at the EU by saying well we just can't release these features because we don't know if they're compliant and so we're just going to play it on the safe side and again is there truth behind that there is some is there politics behind that oh yeah sure right and so I understand that she would want to punch back it is the way she does it though is like she's basically saying well this tells you everything you need to know about Apple if Apple withholds field withholds features in Europe it's because they're planning on destroying competition and that's the only lens that she is I think capable of talking about Apple and I don't think the facts in this case really back it up but again it's politics it's rhetoric so I I'm I'm disappointed by it because it suggests that uh a high up people in Europe view everything Apple does as being fundamentally anti-competition even just doing new features but again they are fighting with Apple so uh and and this is more of a counter punch than a punch so I get it but I don't like it because I think what she's saying isn't actually true I think she's saying Apple's telling on itself by withholding a feature that might be uh uh against the dma as if there's something about like this feature that that they know is bad when in fact it's more like it hasn't been checked and they don't know it's going to apply so I think it's a little bit silly but it's rhetoric it's POS I think a big part of this is Apple's fault so and the thing is is that the problem is is Apple really stated it wrongly not what they did but what they said they really want to push down on this security thing so they pushed down on it but I think that the problem was they're being inauthentic about that what they could have just said is here's the deal we don't understand the rules we don't understand what the EU wants we thought we did what they wanted to do they didn't do it until we figure this out we're not going to add anything new until we you know we just we we'll just get it sorted out and then once we know what the rules are we'll do it you know like you know and if they just said that if they just been authentic in we don't if the EU keeps on moving the bar from our perspective like we think we follow the letter of the law of what you said we had to do but now you say that's not right we need to figure that out before we start adding these features and and and and not make it about security not make it about I think they thought probably thought that was too complex for people to understand and so they just went back to the that knee-jerk of them saying Oh it's security as Andy said is hyperbolic and her response is hyperbolic but it would but it would be very hard for her to argue with we don't understand what the rules are and so we're going to wait to bring this in until we do um then it would have been very hard for her to like we're committed to bring all Apple had to say is we're committed to Bringing AI once we understand what the rules of the game are you know and once that's established and if they just said that she wouldn't have any any ground and even if it took two or three years yeah that I I thought that that was a pretty big like own goal from Apple because they're saying oh well gosh we can't make this secure and private and then oh gosh well I've got the I've got I happen to have Marshall clure right here and what what does what does the dma say about privacy and security well it says right here that we will make exceptions if you can say that this technology is it would compromise privacy and security how you became a PR spokesperson for Apple I have no idea yeah it it's a it is an apple apple can't help itself I mean really this is and I I I don't know this for a fact but I feel like that there are definitely some very pugnacious people within Apple who they just want to fight they want to yell at the EU they're mad about it and they're taking it maybe a little too person personal and not thinking tactically because yeah the right way to say this was to say unfortunately we can't share some of these features we don't think we can share some of these features uh with the EU by the way they never said that they weren't coming they said that they wouldn't be coming this year so they basically said they did they delayed them because they're not sure whether they'll be allowed or not they could have softened that though and said you know we will work with the the EU to figure out whe whether these comply with their restrictions or not we want to bring them to the EU it really depends on what we can do right they could have done it that way but instead everything is in attack mode with them and so we made it we we can't do it because they're so mean we're looking forward to bringing all these features to every Market but of course we want to comply with all local laws and we want to make sure that we're not in violation of the digital markets act this I this will require us to be a little bit little bit more conservative in rolling out in certain markets and this is all ghip because they haven't released anything in the United States yet either and it's us English only have to say anything right now like there was no reason for them to say anything they're saying well we'll roll it out slowly around the world I mean they rot it's not like they released the Apple Vision Pro day and date with the United States many products only exist in Japan not for Apple but many people make only things in Japan or only in Europe that don't get exported not exporting to another region is not something that is that abnormal um there's you know we don't have Apple pay in most most places and so so all of those things just take time but they they could have waited on this until I and and to to Andy's point they were and and to Jason's point they were overplaying their hand and they were playing it early and they're trying to make they're trying to push something down the path that they didn't need to because they could have let this sit for I mean till October like they could have just not done anything and said well we're going to roll it out to the rest of the world uh in a slow manner we're going to start in the United States we're going to roll it out to the rest and then they wouldn't have to say anything specific probably until late 2025 yeah I I think but I think they basically U what happened was inside apple as soon as you talk about regulation there is a I think what I think Jason you you had it on on the ball where it's like there attack dogs that's say ooh ooh regulation we this is an opportunity for us to prosecute our argument that we should have as little regulation as possible because it makes things unsafe and forces us to not do the features that everybody loves great great great and there wasn't the calming influence before that message was sent out said yeah but that's not this is not the right place to make that statement you it'll probably backfire on us well speaking of which Apple according to Mark Herman plans to add a lot of AI to Vision Pro uh is that a change from how or is this just they didn't announce Vision OS as one of the uh I've been I've been calling it like the intelligence Trinity of products right the iPhone iPad and Mac it isn't in there and Gman says they are working on it and this is sort of what we I think assumed at the time which is they're not sure what they're going to be able to ship in this whole cycle right in the next year with apple intelligence because it's happening it's coming in hot it's it's you know they're they're really working furiously to ship this thing at all because it's happened so quickly and so they didn't commit on stage to what they were going to do with vision OS and this is obviously German talking to his sources at Apple who were saying yeah I mean especially because they're countering there was a a story that came out I think last week that suggested maybe the hardware couldn't support it because the M2 was working too hard on other stuff and this report suggests I think maybe purposefully uh to German no no no no no the plan is to have it there it's just a question of when and it's not their top priority because the other three platforms are their top priority but they're basically saying yes Apple intelligence features are going to come they have to they have to work on the interface it's probably like way behind the other three but they are working on it yeah okay and you'd expect it to be and in fact a lot of us think that the real uh or most interesting use of uh headsets and AI is the merger like kind of augmented reality of you know seeing AI interpret what it's seeing meta has already put that into their rayb band and other companies are trying to do that I would imagine that that's yeah that's a good road map for Vision Pro and it's not Vision Pro has the had an added has an added advantage in that it doesn't just know well what are the cameras mounted to this thing focused on it knows exactly where your eyes are what the actual object is so if you actually say who is this person it knows that you're looking at a group picture of 11 people and I'm looking at exactly this face and that kind of functionality could be expanded in so many different ways with a really really good version of slow-mo so yeah it could be it it could be amazing and it would be kind of disappointing if the only thing that apple did with apple Intelligence on Vision Pro was that thing that works on the iPhone and works on the Mac it also works on Vision Pro and almost exactly the same way that's you if you've got these Hardware advantages of the Vision Pro that cost $3,500 absolutely use that opportunity to expand them well here's other Vision Pro new as long as we're in the vision pro segment uh ACC to elect. you say that like Vision vision is that what you want from me I every time you say that I know you're looking at me Leo I know you're thinking about me thank you for thinking of me Vision pro segment let's get a jingle let's do it like it's time for Vis what do you see what do you know it's time to talk Bing Vision yeah yeah we did it is there other Vision Pro Leo what's going on half of this panel owns Vision Pros so we just want we won't tell you which half but half of this pan I'm part of the control group that's that's that's what I've done the control group excellent uh this uh I'm reading the uh English language version from ponle apple.com uh because it's my Korean isn't what it used to be Apple has sent a mysterious request for materials what they call an RFI which is really request for information to uh Samsung nlg for new OLED screens perhaps for the Vision Pro the elect says industry sources have confirmed Apple has sent this RFA uh uh that applies to a product with a color filter to a white organic light emitting diode OED which uh screen size 2.0 to 2.1 in got to be VP right it's too big for the watch too small for anything else pixel density of 1 1700 pixels per inch that's nice uh although about half what the current Vision Pro is bigger screen lower pixel density what do you think which means you get you get back some of those pixels if you've got the Optics right that's one way to save some money is you get a lower resolution screen that's larger and then using your Optics you have that fill the space and you get you shrink it with like a magnifying glass turned on its back yeah so it's it's going to be because there's a lot of complicated Optics going on anyway so one way you save sophisticated scientifically you have reverse binoculars it's like view Master it's a view Master is what it is I mean there's so much weird Optics going on in VR headsets anyway right that I can I can see them this being one way you save a lot of money on a cheaper Vision Pro right because those those Sony OLED displays are incredibly expensive and there aren't that many of them so this confirms what we'd always expected which is that a lower cost Vision Pro is in the works I mean early early days so if they're if they're it's not even a request for proposals just tell us can you do this Gman Gman said they're trying to do late next year wouldn't surprise me if that slips right until it's a thing I learned a long time ago which is late in the year means next year right so let's say maybe early 26 but yeah that they're working on it yeah and apparently according to Ming quo they're working on and this is an interesting rumor maybe related to The Vision Pro airpods with cameras what yeah it's a good I me m quo is a great supply chain analyst right we're talking two years from now yeah yeah he knows this is the thing that a lot of us as users of these products do not think about which is you must procure the parts for them right and sometimes it's really exciting stuff like the the screens in The Vision Pro but like this is this is the indication is they want to get some infrared cameras that are very small and put them in airpods and so that that leaks because who's making those cameras it's not apple right and so they have to go to a supplier and mingi quo knows all those suppliers and he talks to them and he says aha Apple's doing this now then he adds this whole bizarre thing where he says here's how they're going to be used they're going to be used with Vision Pro so that when you turn your head around uh the sound will follow you in a sort of spatial audio and it's like uh Mingo that feature already exists it's true and it doesn't require a camera so I don't know what you're talking about but I think this is the answer is he's trying to put based maybe based on things that Apple said to people in the factory who they may be lying to uh he's trying to create a narrative around it I I do think though remember when we were talking about like the Humane AI pin and how the one piece in Apple's constellation of devices that doesn't exist is having a camera that can see you know they don't have a they don't have Rayband meta Rayband glasses or anything like that having something that can see your surroundings to help your AI assistant understand where is and what you're looking at well an infrared camera on airpods is an interesting idea that it this might allow your iPhone to see what is around it even when it's in your pocket and infrared is interesting because I wonder if that means it could see through like hair and stuff and actually see your surroundings uh in a in a better way I don't know it's interesting but maybe not for the ways that M quo says chance Miller at 95 Mac has has some suspicions he says I think there's a lot more to this story than The Vision Pro example quot mentions while integration with Vision Pro makes sense as a feature I don't expect these new camera equipped airpods to be focused entirely on VP my guess apple has a lot of other ideas about how these airpods could work with powerful multimodal voice and image AI systems yeah and and also remember that there's there have been rumors for a little while now about what could you do if you had infrared sensors and infrared actually infrared cameras inside the airpods for health like could you now get false information and other information pointed in not out yeah that's interesting you do that right that's the then you get your temperature thing too I was just reading an article about how I mean like a lot of doctors now are not they're they're very close to prescribing the Apple watches like they're just there's a whole about they're just starting to tell their patients you really should just get these Apple watches to make sure that there's other data that you need it's not as accurate as what we have at the hospital or the thing but that constant information is really useful to them it's starting to you know so I think that apple already said that they're very focused on that but it appears they're going to keep on intensifying being able to have more and more biometric data which makes all that privacy stuff that they talk about pretty important because it's an enormous amount of data that's important well now you see and now you know that's the vision pro segment got to have a jingle I mean we that's what I'm saying we just we'll start working on it as usual we ask our fine audience our club members and others to work on their on the version you know Merin hole I wish I could find that rat hole if anybody still has a copy of that I'm going to have the in the for the intro and the outro of that have a really cheesy Ms uh uh paint graphic pop in pop out really cheesy yeah a little bit pixelated no no no like really cheesy like a 5-year-old dreu it what do you see what do you know I like Andy's lyrics I think what do you see what do you know it's time to talk Bing Vision Pro I think we've got it we just need somebody to Boom make it orchestrate that we used to it used to be there used to be a lot of people uh listeners and viewers who did that kind of thing I don't know where they've all gone to um oh Anthony neelon just found the Rat Hole I don't know is my sound on let's try it R hole now there's a that's the short Rat Hole I know that was great there is a longer Rat Hole that has lyrics and a whole thing that goes on and on and on I think audible is even mentioned [Laughter] as a matter of fact I'm I'm just excited that maybe maybe I'm going to be like Robert alman's son who like wrote the lyrics to The Met theme for MH and wound up making like millions of dollars from the TV show if I get 18 cents for every time we do a pro segment suicide is painless was written by Robert alman's son I think I think the story was there was there was uh the music had been written by the composer who of the of the of the movie however when they decided that oh well we want to use this in the scene where they're singing this song pretend pretend to right and so like his son just like quickly just dashed off some lyrics and because he is The Lyricist of the theme from mesh because they use just the music in the TV show he had to be paid Jee Roddenberry this is this this is like if there if there reasons to not like Jean roddenbery here is one of them someone comp some Desi L compos a okay great we'll use it and then all of a sudden like when it came time to register the music there were lyrics attached to it that didn't exist Jee roddenbery wrote lyrics so that he could get a cut of all the licensing for the before a ripoff stole half the money from Alexander Courage by writing lyrics that nobody's ever heard although as a kid I learned to play the Star Trek theme on the piano and the the sheet music had the stupid Jud rotenberry lyrics in it that's publishing rights there's your money yeah right there no his lawyer said write some lyrics Jean they don't have to be good no one will ever hear them but you'll get money can you have to cut that out for YouTube so we don't get to but can you leave Andy singing oh that's easy okay unless Andy decides a copy strike uh copy stri no copyright strikes from Andy all right no I'm I'm a team player so we get copyright strikes for the strangest we last week last week I played this 1970 people typing in a typist pool yes and they demonetized her video on YouTube because of it yes so I think we just cut out all non that's not a strike that's not a strike not a strike but but it could have been I mean it's just that they decided oh we'll demonetize you the the copyright holder gets to decide you know how painful it is um it's ridicul that's just absurd anyway I guess whoever owned the typist pool video but but the cool thing is it's not strikes anymore and if you don't care about the mon I don't care about monetization on YouTube you don't have about that it's like a superpower because you just like run things in there and you just like you just like oh I just they like we got a strike was it a strike or was it a demonetization you don't get strikes anymore is that true it's very you get them from the Eagles we can get strikes oh we've gotten strikes Eagles will give you a stri so there the bands can always it's considered copyright holders are coached not to do that because it's considered very anti-user at this point it's just very ugly to do a strike and Eagles don't care but everyone most other Apple does we've gotten strikes from Apple and NFL cares uh is it is it a strike strike anony nson yes he says it is it was in fact a strike now they expire I think our I think we're back to zero strike fine we're we're fine this somewhere you get three strikes stries and you're out and and and I think this each strike is like six months so you have to you know so you just can't get much more careful than we used to be uh now de do we care about demonetization I mean they get they still get our the ads that I read in there right yeah the ads are still in but they don't get any ads it's the you can make $4 per thousand viewers so this thing about we don't make much money on YouTube ads I think it's a few thousand a month so I guess it's not I don't know I should talk to Lisa she's my not only is she in charge of monetization you no longer have coffee on Monday might be yeah I might be sleeping on the couch I don't know um I saw a live stream get pulled down live yeah yeah Apple's pulled down our live stream we stopped streaming on YouTube when we do the Apple events CU they got a lawyer who's watching yep no they don't have a lawyer they just have a they have a machine that's watching like they just set it to we got from a lawyer yeah we got a person's name on it a law firm's name on it it wasn't just like an automated thing it was they were pretty serious about it I don't think they really like me that much in fact Jason if I were you I wouldn't mention my name at any time when you're in the okay got it you know I know that things got a little out of hand where everyone was restreaming Apple's event and I know that there was some point where they pulled it back you know like they were like yeah we're not going to do that anymore mat Anthony says we're still in limbo with one strike from Apple from September of last year I think that the the big thing is what Apple really wants you to do is watch the one that's the highest quality you know this a typical app they want you to watch the one because if you watch the one on the website there is uh I mean it it looks pretty good on YouTube but if you watch the one that Apple puts on their website it is two or three times better than than YouTube so like it's it's HDR and it's surround and it's you know it's super high resolution and they don't have to they don't they don't you know they don't constrict understand that I don't blame them that's fine if we could think of a way you guys do it we hour by not but you don't stream their thing you just talk about it and assume other people are going to watch it people are going to watch it on another screen that's exactly and we you know and it works pretty well for us I mean so you know so what you do is you just you just talk and so you just open up you know you listen to us and we just assume you're listening you're not looking at anything we're watching The Stream together in Zoom so we watch the we're watching it in zoom and so we're not getting the full quality that Apple wants but but we're watching it in zoom in Zoom ISO we just don't take that audio out so we hear the audio in Zoom but the audio that goes to the stream is um with without the the show should we I wonder if that would let me ask uh our audience would you would that be okay with you I mean we what we do is worked which is we just don't run it on YouTube where they're apparently watching but there are other places they aren't um I just feel like it's a better I I guess it I did it because I thought it was the experience that I wanted like care about video quality so you they were watching the Apple stream on the Apple like I want to sit I want to hear someone talk about it I want to hear you talk about it or us talk about it whatever but I don't I want to watch it on my big screen or I want watch it on my computer and so the idea was I can just listen to people talking about it while I'm watching the full screen yeah uh Anthony Elson has a very good point he says most of our viewers don't watch it live they download it and watch it later so if we don't have a reference point it's just us talking no ours ours there's not a lot of views on ours afterwards this is like it's popular during the event and then it's like we're done yeah yeah see we're we're the opposite so I don't know fun fact by the way the uh station uh we were ineligible for last week was under the copyright owners of freemantle international on behalf of themes TV TS TV it's a you British oh fames TS it's a river in England it's not sounds like it's a that's a reality do do we have content from like a reality show because that's what that would well I think I made a mistake because I I ran one kind of old typists video and then I ran another one and I think the second one was in fact owned by the by Tims TV but I don't know who knows who knows anyway it doesn't matter we're never doing it [Music] again Leo yeah just play YouTube videos we we just played Star Trek which is about the worst thing you can do I mean 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your first month free at cashfy do.com twit and you've heard me say it for 15 years now bandwidth for MC brewi C is brought to you by cashely at CF l.com twit thank you cash fly sincerely thank you we appreciate I think Matt's still there and it's a great company they do a great job what are cocoa pods when they're at home apparently not good critical flaws in cocoa pods which is a dependency manager for Swift and Objective C Coco projects it's a supply chain attack which means uh somebody got something bad into cocoa pods a trio of security flaws uh an Israeli uh application security firm uh Reef Spectre discovered it said the three issues have been patched by cocoa pods as of last October however there were some really nasty one with a CVS of 9.3 CVSs of 9.3 made it possible for an attack to abuse the claim your pods process and take control of a package will effectively allowing them to tamper with source code introduce malicious changes without your knowledge uh anyway uh nasty is this how many people use cocoa pods is that a widely used tool Jason yeah there are a lot of developers who use it um I don't think anybody actually exploited this though right I think I mean they said we don't really know for sure but it seems like maybe not and then the big this is really a story for developers who use cocoa pods because they need to inspect and there was a very clear like step byep on the report about what you do as a developer if you use cocoa pods to update but the good news is you never know there may be something in the background that that nobody was aware of we've learned a lesson right that sometimes they play the long game but I think in the short term what we know is that these are researchers who found a big security hole that apparently nobody exploited so far as we know so that's but the point is it was there for 10 years years yeah so it's hard to know you know 3 million iOS and Mac OS apps use coco at the same time a bug a security hole being open that long without anybody noticing it yeah also probably means nobody I think if something had happened eight years ago somebody probably would have caught on and that never happened so it seems more theoretical but like they said if you're a developer you got to be aware and and bottom line is I know a lot of developers and using other people's code is already like they're like I really you got to be careful with it you don't want to be slap Dash about it and and this is a case where like you got to follow the rules now and see you know make sure that the code you're using is the right code yeah yeah the researchers said that they found this not because of reports of anything but because they were actually actively red teaming on a contract and that's when they found this possibility so yeah and I I kind of thought the same thing that if had have been exploited before we probably would have found found some evidence of where this had happened of course this it only became this story only became public I think on Sunday night I think so maybe this is going to take a few weeks for people to start the oh we found something in our code log that we did not expect to be there but it's still there no no reason for worry if you're a developer though yeah that's why you keep on top of where where you're checking out your books from yeah and maybe you shouldn't use cocoa pods but Swift packages which is a more recent and probably more reliable um okay so no reason to to panic but uh if you are a developer who uses cocoa pods there might be a reason to read the the story and fix it uh Eva se. ev. as the story uh also in the news via Mark German's power on newsletter Apple may want to monitor ize Advanced Apple intelligence features in the future Mayana doesn't scare me you can't scare me it's very much a theory I mean this is in the HED portion of Mark's newsletter where he's not really breaking news may want to does Apple like Services Revenue yeah they do is Apple intelligence expensive yeah it is are other AI companies charging for premium access yeah they are and I I I it would not be a surprise at all if there was a tier of things in the long run that for you to do them would would require an apple one subscription or something like that or a a subscription to a service I think the The Challenge and this is all theoretical I mean Apple's just paddling as hard as they can just to launch this thing in the next year so it's going to be a while but yeah I think they're going to have to always ask yourself like are we breaking our operating system are we break breaking our features by pay Walling some of it and I think that's always the danger like they've got some things that are I iCloud plus only right like the private the private uh some of the private security browsing features are are like only if you're paying customer um but there's the actual Hardware behind that that that does cost money so I think that's I always pause at the are we going to charge for features inside our operating systems but at the same time it's a it's not unreasonable to think that they'll get there eventually but like I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon yeah also this this is really like like Jason said this is really expensive stuff uh it costs serious money this is what this is one the reasons why even a company companies like Facebook and Google are like oh well we're we're really concerned about privacy and we want to make sure we do as much on device as possible that's because you get to you get to pay for the compute power you get to pay for the electricity uh one of the things that kind of hasn't been mentioned in this report that's kind of on my mind is that Apple is very very and justifiably proud of their green initiatives and what is a pivot a strong pivot towards AI going to do towards their ability to maintain their emissions goals that they committed to like several years ago before AI was a huge priority uh as it happens uh Google released their usual like emissions report today and it's all just bad news that emissions are way up uh energy use is way up all because they have to they have to they have to fire up all of these server Farms to handle all this AI so maybe we're going to see that affected in how Apple handles their promises towards becoming a completely self rying completely green completely no impact service yeah I I just think I think that it it you want people eventually to charge for things that they're giving you because then it gets better you know like like you know it's and it's there's definitely things that I've learned that I'm for things that are that I feel very static about like for instance I haven't subscribed to logic or Final Cut Pro on my iPad because I'm just tired of subscriptions you know but for something that I know that it is um uh I know that there's a cost to it I know that this is a service on the web I know that there's every time I touch it it's costing them something you know in that sense I kind of want to pay for that because I don't want to become a whole where it becomes a cost center instead of a profit Center because you want it to be a profit Center at some level um so that the investment is proper we we used to I me one of the things that ilm learned how to do early on was charge for processing every time they rendered a frame they would charge the they charge the the movie company for it the you know they got the reput of I love ilm stands for I love money came from that because people got really frustrated but it also meant that their render Cloud their the internal rendering system they had was the best in the world because they were able to reinvest they had it had money earmarked to it it wasn't a cost center it was a profit Center and as a result they were able to reinvest into that all the time and and made it just state-of-the-art and so I think that that's the the upside of of charging for things so I think that if it keeps on getting better and I think Apple's going to continue to expand that private Cloud I think that chat gbt and Gemini are all just insurance policies as they continue to build that internal Network that they're training um and and they keep on making it to the point where 90 95% of what you're asking is doesn't ever get out to the outside world yeah apple is also releasing its well they have released its massively modal masked modeling AI model the cleverly called 4M uh which was released uh 7 months ago but now you can try on hugging face in the hugging face spaces platform in collaboration with the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in loan um that's kind of that is kind of a big deal because when's the last time Apple basically said hi here is basic technology that we've yet to actually roll into a shipping product not not not here's a web page on apple.com that that that makes you interested in it no here is the actual models we've got GitHub we've got it on GitHub uh there's one model that's that's online for demonstrating its ability to take analyze pictures and find facets do dep do a depth perception that sort of thing but if you go to the GitHub page if you want to use it to generate images to parse text it's all there and it gives you all the hooks you need to in order to experiment with it it's not not user friendly by any means by any means whatsoever it really is just there to sh share their work with other researchers and also build which which is a positive thing in and of itself but also to make sure they're building their credibility as we're not just adding Nifty consumer facing features to our phones we are actually punching the same weight as uh as Claude as uh as uh open AI as on Gemini we're we're building fundamental Foundation models that uh we are actually cultivating ourselves for our own purposes and we are not going to be simply for all the heavy lifting stuff always be dependent upon the work of Google or open AI or Facebook or Amazon so if you go now to hugging face. you can uh find in this spaces the 4M Model A framer for training any to any multimodal foundational models okay and uh you can drop I don't know what it's doing you can drop an image into it here's some meatballs let's see what it does or is that arini oh no it's almond cookies and then you can see depth you can see I don't know what's going on semantic segmentation it they say it's Donuts on a dining table in a bowl okay uh donut donut donut donut donut maybe it is Donuts it looks like there's a pecan next to it I don't know Donuts cocoa pots you're killing me I defit hungry for the show what does it say here it says there's a ceiling there's a curtain it sees all this uh there's a um door stuff whatever that is and it's not just image parsing either again this is just the demo that that that you can interact with as a as a bon head like me and I think that one of the things that's interesting is they talked about being able to manipulate 3D scenes using natural language is the that is the beginning of World building you know so being we're making huge progress in that area aren't we it's kind of interesting yeah but that's that's you know like World building and whether that's used and whether that's used for uh you know an actual like virtual world that you could live in but it's also um I want to show you a scene or I want to show you an object I just say put a radio and put a 20s radio in front of me rotated into this position and being able to if it eventually is able to export that out as something as well you can be building things and putting them into your Keynotes into your you know other files and so there's a lot of things that um 3D is kind of one of those things that's on the front it's actually more complicated than music or some of the other stuff and so um but we're seeing pieces of that starting to occur current machine models for vision are often highly specialized limited to a single modality and task we take a step in the direction of recent large language models with a wide variety of capabilities this is called 4M massively multi modal masked modeling and uh you can read all about it on these on the laan website the UPF website um interesting it is I think that's why it's mostly of of interest is that Apple rarely does this kind of thing right this is this is kind a new a new world Apple's living in yeah they and they they did that a few a few months ago I can't remember the name of the model but it it was a uh it was it was a learning model that could analyze a screenshot and bug out the names with the user interface elements and how these elements are working I think it's the same yeah it it might be part of the same model but uh in that case it was a research paper but once again I I really really love what Apple's been doing this year like I did not that I had like doubts that oh my God apple is so far behind in AI because they haven't done they haven't they haven't they haven't been part of a they haven't been part of a ridiculous Scandal about how how terrible their their AI model is but my goodness they've done such a good job of essentially making sure they're putting out the entire message that once again if all they're going to do is say w well our the iPhone 16 is going to have a whole bunch of AI features built into it well congratulations all every other phone that runs Android has AI features right now we got to do something better than that but they're making a really really good argument that no no no we have been building a pyramid for a long long time we are accelerating that now but it's not as though we wrote an entire new operating system for running uh running secure and private uh models like on a server overnight no this is something that we've been building and now we're basically accelerating it we don't it's not so we we've been training a brand new uh uh brand new system for language and image processing in 3D overnight no this is something that we've been developing but again now we're accelerating that so they really are putting together a very complete picture of a company that in two or three years time could be like it would be ridicul if if this if is a a good Trend that continues let's say uh there's let's also remember that there's it's no accident that all this information is coming out right when it needs to come out for Apple's benefit but this really does give you the impression that in two or three years time we will forget all about that Apple wasn't one of the foundational uh companies that were promoting AI Google certainly gets credit for for seeing the the Revolution coming and preparing for it and preparing a lot of the ground with research that everybody else was relying on but that doesn't matter if three in three or four years time if everyone else is doing something as good as that and actually building on that work you get you get a plaque on the wall but that doesn't mean that your company stays in business so Apple's doing great here it's an interesting idea too if you think about where apple is with AI research right now when until 18 months ago I mean they they hired John G and Andrea from Google you know there was definitely like moves suggesting Apple cared about AI but if you're an AI person and you're looking at Al you're like do they really get it they're not really shipping got some older stuff that they're shipping do I want to be there does that burnish my career it's not I mean they've got the money they'll pay you but like is it something that you want to evolve your career on and an interesting thing about what has happened to Apple in the last 18 months and certainly now that it's public is anybody who's in AI who's a a star uh and wants to go somewhere where there's organizational alignment for AI apple is now on that list and they were not on that list two years ago so that that's a big thing for Apple I wonder I mean if I were an AI scientist today I wonder yeah M I don't know if I'd want to go to Google at this point or meta um Microsoft and open AI maybe I'm sure the money's equal everywhere it's Millions if if you're good uh yeah I think Apple might be and then you have some thought that Apple might have higher Integrity in what it's doing and be more concerned about safety and privacy get in the game now with when you have a company that has you know all the money um they you know the when you go from when you look at that private I I just think that we want to keep on watching that private Cloud that they're building and understanding that they're going to grow keep growing that and it's going to be much more it's not going to be perfect but its chances of hallucination will continue to get probably less and less and less while some of the other ones may hallucinate more and more and more um because of just the nature of of data and so I think that that's going to be a really interesting puzzle um that apple is sitting on a pretty it doesn't we don't know how they're going to actually execute this but if they if they do do it in that area it could mean that the the data being delivered by that private Cloud could be much more reliable um for many of the answers that than than what you're getting from other AI Solutions over time right now it's really limited but imagine it imagine this little seed of information that they have in it growing to 90 95% of the data I mean the the stuff that I do now on on I mean the stuff I do on chat gbt now and now I'm starting to play with Claude is so complex as far as how to think about things like just how to and if that data is anywhere close to I don't care if it's like for me it's like I'm looking not for the actual data I'm not going to use it but I'm looking for how to think about things and as you start to open up well tell me about this and interrelate this data with this data with this data with this data and give me an output and it shows me all the calculations and why it's doing what it's doing and and the thing is is that I think that that's going to be really powerful and if that data starts to be tied back down to what Apple's working on uh you end up with something more reliable something more dependable um you know and you could end up with people down the road apple has a 10% chance of like well that's the reliable place to you know that that AI is the reliable place to get most of your information but the the the the missing piece which I don't know if Apple wants to get into this or if they even have the capability of getting into this is that remember that Microsoft and Google and Amazon they don't just care about you know consumer and user facing features they want to run the hardware and have the have the resources that if you are writing software for anybody and particularly if you're writing software that involves AI you will use our you will you will you will pay us for compute because we've got this we've got the uh the infrastructure we've got the capacity and we've got the most modern tools and apple is paying a fortune to Google for a lot of what they need not just with AI but for everything that's Cloud behind in the back end so that out by the way they're paying Google a lot but Google's paying them a lot I wonder if they like go hey we spent this money minus this you get buy one get one you know like like like roommates sharing a fridge like okay well you took the ice cream but you took my corn dog so let's just say it's okay but but but what what I'm getting is that is Apple we historically Apple has always found what is it that we are uh Subs servant to another company for like CPUs like uh like like a Bluetooth Stacks like that sort of stuff and how can we make sure how can we basically cut them out I mean they they got so they are so believe have such a hard belief in this that they tried to build their own modem their their own cellular modems which is just insane which which the most powerful powerful companies have like run screaming and up on the verge of Madness to trying to do it so so I'm wondering if they're going to be happy to always be okay well we're going to be renting we're going to be buying our our capacity for this important part of our business from Google a maybe we should make sure that we build our own server farm so we can actually rely on ourselves and B maybe sometime in the future we would like to be the company that again because services are so important we would like to for maybe our developers give you Cloud compute that we can sell and so we get we getting a piece of everything or or the main thing is is that that Apple continues to with with their developers if you have the consumers paying for the compute you know for Consumer level uh products the the developers are kind of getting this for free you know so that the idea is that developers can you know um be able to be given really nice libraries and really good sdks for them to like just add AI to their so any Apple developer in the same way like there's a lot of things when you talk to some of the developers who develop only on the Mac and even if they develop on PC like you look at some of the limal apps for instance it's because of the way the the libraries work it's the because of the way or video works that makes it way more efficient and way better to just use that if Apple does that for AI where you have it just way it's just really easy to add oh I it's just like I can add it I add this hook this button is adding AI to my product you know or maybe a little more complex than that but it's not like I don't have to reinvent the wheel to put AI into what I'm doing Apple's going to do that for me all I got to do is hook into that into that um into that solution and I think that's going to be and I think that there's going to be a free level of that and then I don't know if the apps I mean the app developers are already paying Apple 15% or you know 30% or whatever so they're already paying they're paying into that and being able to add value to that is is really interesting and I think as you look at like when they release all this to GitHub and they start talking about it openly you know I think apple is on the extreme end of uh commoditize anything that Co is a is a cost center and control anything that's a profit Center and so I think that what you're seeing here is you can always tell what they think is valuable and what is costing the money versus what is um they're making money on because they'll release everything for free that that that that is connected to a cost Center and they want to control the things that are connected to a profit Center I wonder if apple or anybody would ever put in a a button that says no AI disable all AI I think there'd be a market for it I'm just saying the big stop button it's it's it's going to be it's going to become more difficult I mean there's some there's some rumor a rumor a I think Android police had a source inside Google which means that this could be like an official leak from Google talking about some features that are going to be part of the next pixel phone announced next month as part of what they're get this they now they're calling the these these features Google intelligence I I like I I hope I hope they stole this from Apple intelligence it's not it's not Google intelligence I'm sorry it's Google AI or whatever but anyway GI Joe yeah but but the the thing is like so one of these features that the that Android police was talking about was um a much an even higher level of some of the the editing feat photo editing features that they introduced a while back so not only just hey I want to be able there's a group picture there's a boyfriend that is no longer part of the picture I want to just remove the boyfriend and squish everybody back together to fill up that hole so it looks like that person was never there to begin with as if we can erase them from our memories if only we could do so now they they this other feature that they're that's been uh teased is the idea of well here's a group picture but someone wasn't in the picture because they were off getting the drinks for everybody else could you put Shelly into this picture now yeah I don't mind that kind of it's tightly integrated but but what I see is a future and you just kind of gave me this thought Alex because of you know oh they just be AI kit of every damn app that whether they need AI or not I have a I have a electronic door lock called uh from a company Chinese Shenzhen company called a Cara and they have a little AI thing that pops up when you open the app and then and then it lurks in the corner there it is right there see that it's like clippy it's lurking in the corner and you tap it and now it's oh aara co-pilot what let's talk no no it's a door lock I don't need AI for the door lock well yeah that that may not be very good but like I think that one of the things I'm just saying as soon as it's everywhere every app's going to have that and I want a big button that says no just like I'd like a big button that says no Siri please but that's not goingon toen I think that the being able I think that what's possible at some point and that's looks like a very bad implementation of it is the ability to go make natural questions I was doing this kind of complex pipeline out of this is just an example I was doing a complex pipeline out of resolve over the weekend or the last Friday and I needed to figure out how to play out multip like eight tracks out of resolve through Dante to a thing to put it into a better to put it into a live view to to transmit it I didn't know how to do any of these things and so I so I I got up there I opened up resolve and I said how do I add more buses to to resol how do I I want to put eight channels out of resolve I said well you need more buses and I'm sitting there with chat GPT open asking it questions and I said how do I create more buses and it's step by step in resolve it just tells me go to this menu go down to here go do this sure enough I got more buses now how do I attach those to Dante and it and it just tells me and I I probably could have figured that out you know in another half an hour or hour but it did it in I did it in like two minutes what I would have done in an hour of just like I don't think I don't have to figure this out I'm just going to figure it out for me and then and then but on the other side of that you get I got into my Scorpio this is a sound device of Scorpio and it said I said how do I get AES out of this and said go to this menu and I was like that menu doesn't exist well go to this menu that menu doesn't so it didn't have enough information so it was like so you you fall off those areas but the idea of being able to use natural language to to ask questions and just say I just need you to do this or I need to figure this out and I'm noticing how much I process it like I went I was at Golden Gate Bridge yesterday with my dad my dad was visiting over the weekend and and um I took a picture with that fence in Golden Gate with all the locks on it or whatever it's on the upper area that looks down and the lock thing kind of annoys me because it's just a really great location that's screwed up with all these locks and um uh and I get that it's it's important to somebody it's just it's not it's an eyesore but I took the picture of my dad knowing that I'm going to go back to photoshop and just select that and just say get rid of that and it's just going to put something else in there and it'll look great you know like so but I literally framed knowing what I'm getting rid of in this photo later um and I just like it went from a year ago of not knowing it existed to taking pictures with the assumptions of what's going to happen next oh yeah yeah no and I I won't get us into Rat Hole about how much I'm enjoying uh Adobe photoshops AI features just the ability that I C I took this PCT I was taking pictures of the pride parade a couple weeks ago and one of the best ones I my zoom was just a little bit too tight and I needed more space around this person I oh I just say please add more stuff to the left and the right but I think you know uh there's always going to be an importance to have a core set of features that is like the cut copy and paste of AI that everybody sort of expects and that stuff is run on device and you don't really know how it works you don't need to care how it works I I have kind of a vision where I kind of hope that we are always intimately understanding which AI we're bringing to the task what their strengths and their weaknesses are like I I I use I find myself that I use uh Claude uh chat GPT and Gemini the same way that I have Safari Chrome tour and brave browsers because there's certain tasks that I want the friendliest least overhead least power consump uh experience so I want to go with Safari I want the most ecumenical works with every single website syncs with every device I have I go with chrome I want a little bit of privacy that's better than Safari I'll go with brave when I want to I don't want anybody to know like why I'm why I'm here what I'm looking for add to any profile that's when I go for for tour I would love it if the end point of when this becomes like sort of table Stakes for everybody it really is like I am in editing mode and the app doesn't really care that I'm sending I'm having uh one Lang language model work with this because I wanted to do a good summary versus another language model because I want you to actually expand upon this and I know that Claude is a better writer or a better at least a better writing partner uh cuz I think that we it is terrible if we don't know where the AI tools are being used and how it's influencing us like just to just to wrap it up as it happens so uh you might have read that meta had to sort of not walk back its AI warnings on Instagram but at least reward it which is a very very simp simple move it used to be that if there were uh they had a tag called made with AI attached to certain like Instagram posts if the photo was determined to have have been made with some sort of AI involvement but then they got a lot of push back from people like me who say well no this wasn't an AI generated picture I just added a little Street Scene to the left so that it wouldn't seem so so crowded or I use some AI to remove like the dog that's you know taken a we against a tree in the background this isn't an AI generated picture so they changed the wording to say I think it says AI tools were involved in this sort of thing uh we have to make sure we understand what the level of involvement at every single turn are or else you know we're we don't we have we have to know what goes into the stuff that we eat or else we're going to get very very sick and we'll never going to know why you know I was I I saw that story about meta re recasting this because it actually affected us you know Micah Sergeant posted a picture of him proposing to his partner a couple of weeks ago by the way congratulations congratulations that was wonderful yeah and and it was label M made by AI on Instagram which it wasn't and so I think that that was a much needed uh modification but speaking of ai ai is everywhere um in fact I was just looking at Tech Meme and every story in the top 10 is an AI story figma disables its recently launched generative AI app design tool make design after a user showed it copied Apple's weather when asked to design a weather app well why the hell wouldn't it that's a good weather app copy that one Google plans AI features for the pixel 9 under the Google AI brand that's what you were just talking about um generative AI music service sunno launches the IOS app in us we've used that to actually I am going to try sunno to make a Vision Pro theme how about that let's see oh you did oh you're ahead of me how Ukraine is using AI to weaponize Consumer Tech aild lowcost weapons we've talked about that generative AI this is all on today's front page on Tech mem generative AI video startup Runway is in Char talks to raise 450 Mill milon dollar at A4 billion do valuation um okay that's it that's the AI rundown gez Louise did you can you want to play one of those sunos for us you got a good one too much too too much too much snake oil yeah it's like and and and also there there are so many AIS where you think that you're interacting with an AI so maybe you will use it for I I'm I'm uh interested in and a little bit scared of people who are using AI for therapy because here is a chat bot that you can talk to and you feel as a this isn't a real human being I can say whatever I want I can open myself up but they don't realize that for a lot of these chat Bots their the AI is not really good and so they're actually sending it to workers gig workers like overseas who are being paid pennies per pennies per interaction to take a look at what the AI wants to say and maybe fine-tuning things so that makes more sense so they're quote unquote private things that they're saying to an algorithm is actually being seen by a total stranger that maybe you don't want that stuff to get out more stuff that we need to know about what do you see what do you know it's time to talk Vision Pro I'm going to see if it can do that like a radio station jingle oh man you think you think it'll work let's see let's do it Carter B Smith K&B yeah I I love Carter what a great guy he was I uh they always said if you get jingle jingle package made for you that's that's like it in the cover Sports Illustrated it's a you made it you're going to you made it you're to go you're going to go yeah here let's let's see what this sounds like here ooh Human League I'm putting on my deep mask eyeliner right now and staring directly at the camera oh it kind of misunderstood the [Music] instructions I'm trying to find it I just can't find it my window closed and I I literally listen to the chorus listen to the [Music] chorus I'm seeing the end credits of a mid 80s comedy with a kind of Science Fiction personal computer choices let's see what this one sounds like it's kind of similar [Music] huh how do I jump to the chorus that's what I want to do oh [Music] here but this is so classic generative AI 2024 it is super it's not what you ask for not what you want but oh my God is it impressive impressive a wrong thing it's it's impressively wrong yeah impressively wrong that's that's that's basically they did were pretty impressive it they weren't as they weren't as bad as those ones what's funny is Google Chrome closed the window it's still it was playing and I cannot find it like I'm sure it has to do with spaces somewhere like it says Chrome says that it's there and when I click on it nothing shows up I can't I lost the page yeah it's it's not us that's going to be able to do this there's like I'm on a lot of stable Fusion forums and a lot of stuff that I didn't think was really possible because I'm just using it from the point of view of giving it prompts and trying to do infills the people who understand how these generative AI models work can do things like okay that's the design of this character I want you to keep this design this character design consistent across the next seven pages of of comic and these are the people that are scary because they're not generating pictures of people with six thumbs and where the eyes are like doll eyes they don't work those are the people who know how to they're not spending one second on this piece of art they're spending maybe half the amount of time and they are getting the results that you would hope to get if you were paying someone to do this kind of work for you remember it didn't take here turn on my sound again it didn't take much time for us to generate this okay W up in the morning I see the music video for this why why you're right it's impressively bad impressively wrong uh you're watching Mac break weekly not AI generated and that's when we're wrong we we do it the hard way the honest way uh that's uh Jason Snell who is always right at sixcol.com Andy sure wgb I count on you man if I if I ask you a question and you tell me the answer I believe you Andy anako gbh in Boston and from Office hours. Global Alex Lindsay continuing on here's another thing you didn't never expect Apple to do promote it's how long its stuff's going to last uh Apple published a white paper this week called Longevity by Design to explain the company's principles for Designing for longevity a careful balance between product durability and repairability that's not the I guess you know I always Apple stuff's well made but you always feel like you know it's not really designed to last forever yeah but the P the paper does a really good job they're they're trying they're trying to um we talked earlier in the show about how some they're trying to resist regulation in the EU and being being heavy-handed not pre presenting a really accurate presentation here they're getting they're very quietly trying to address hey people are complaining that a lot of our products are really really hard to repair we would like to at least add to the ation by saying our products are designed according to the white paper from the ground up so that you don't have to repair them quite so often that they're more durable you won't have to replace the screen because they're not going to crack that you're not going to get water Ingress uh that uh the batteries are designed so that we're cycling them so that they don't need to be replaced as oftentimes and backing this up with uh figures that of course we need to double check on but basically saying that hey look we over time our our phones are are lasting 5 to six years 40 40 to something per longer than Android phones uh our resale value is way way up there again compared to Android phones uh and that we third party we only repair about 37 38% of our own phones most of the stuff is being done by Third parties so as I it should be labeled as propaganda but that propaganda is a neutral term it's not necessarily positive or negative but I think it's very very effective at least putting it out there that if someone is recklessly saying that oh well Apple wants us to wants phones to break wants them to uh be obsolete in 2 years they don't want people to be able to repair their own phones because they want people to uh simply buy brand new ones instead they're at least putting out a c counterargument that is very very credible and it underscores things I think all of us have known for a long long time that I mean iPhones can be handed down twice three times in a family before they become undesirable that alone obsolete uh and they do tend to absolutely stand up the my iPhones have been like I I I tend to carry them around as much as I almost as much as I carry my Android phones and they look much much nicer and they're much more resalable than my Android phones are everybody has just clammed up on that one well fortunately I I I I can say something there which is yeah I think that that the truth is that Apple works at such a scale that it sometimes a challenge for them to balance uh their products lasting a long time their products not breaking the products like the battery is a problem right because batteries go bad although there's the in the early days of smartphones especially the the thought was the smartphone will be obsolete before the battery goes bad because the smartphones are are moving so quickly that right but now it's different and so I think they changed the aim but they they have they have so much volume that that's a challenge right and um and then sometimes what we're looking for is not necessarily what they're looking for so like they don't a lot of people are focused on battery but don't talk about they're focus on reducing scratch and shatter on glass screens and reducing water Ingress where how many people crack their screen how many people drop their phone in the toilet and have to get a new phone and if Apple makes serious inroads on those you first off it's the time you don't I mean nobody keeps track of the times that you didn't need to get a new phone but it would substantially reduce the number of new phones that are being sold but it's a little bit you know if your focus is on something like a removable battery or an easily removable battery which is an issue but you might be missing some of the places where they really have made progress I think in The Last 5 Years Apple's design of iPhones especially has shown that they re they realize it's a mature product where they could they could probably make it more repairable and that that would be better for everyone they've also you know they've got their trade-in programs there's a lot they have done but I think that there's a question of like where do they draw the line and say no we're not going to do this and I I I do think batteries is a thing that everybody should keep asking Apple about because the fact is sometimes you've got a product that the only reason it's dead is because the battery is dead it's true for iPhones it's especially true of things like airpods and we've seen that in that that some other manufacturers have found other ways of approaching this but we also know that if Apple cracks the code of making batteries more replaceable the rest of the industry will follow them because that's what happens right they're like oh well if Apple did it we got to do it too and so you know I think that there's more for them to do there but but it's not nothing that they've done things to keep their devices in service and not need repair because the iPhone is way more resilient now than it was even five years ago and certainly 10 years ago and and to their credit for the past couple generations of iPads and iPhones they have been making steps to make things less absurd so to speak like in the report they again this is propaganda in the sense of they're making their case and say saying things like yeah we use a lot of adhesives that are kind of hard to take apart but it's the adhesives that that's make it safe against water Ingress that make it last last a lot longer but nonetheless like the last year's iPhone they made a big change that made uh uh that made uh batteries easier to replace the last generation of iPads they changed the way that was designed so that you no longer have to tunnel through tunnel through you know you no longer have to like change somebody's contact lens by Drilling in through the bottom of their feet you know they can you can actually just take off the screen and then there's the there's the battery um but I I wonder if what was promoting all this again I'm glad they're making this statement because it is very very valid but I remembered that just three weeks ago uh they gave Marquez Marquez brownley like an exclusive look at with a video I visited Apple secret iPhone testing Labs so clearly at it's somewhere they've decided that okay we need to get ahead of Regulation or bad press or whatever so we're going to make this into a a marketing priority to make sure people know that if our position is that if we make our phones hard if if there are reports that say that our phones are ridiculously hard to repair or that we're obstructing right to repair we feel as though we are addressing the problem at its root and least and here is why we believe that way a little are uh stunt I agree Andy uh here is yeah and this is a great graphic uh starting from the first iPhone in 2007 what modules are repairable in the iPhone the first one the SIM tray by 2013 SIM tray battery haptics rear camera main logic board display bottom speaker top speaker enclosure true depth camera back glass main microphone I mean it's it's good PR you know absolutely um Apple has to Rec Rec izes I think they're they have a lot of devices so they have a high responsibility with a billion phones that's a billion phones are going to be in the landfill sooner or later they talk a lot about the used phone market uh they also use this opportunity to say don't buy third-party batteries 88% of thirdparty batteries tested by the unit Underwriters Labs caught fire exploded in at least one test um then there's a pict picture of I don't know what it could be Moon material but I think it's actually this is well I think it's also third party battery after an abusive overcharge test and it's also a preemptive like if when the next person has their their their phone Catch Fire you know it's people like people you start putting us they're like well no just that they people won't assume if you put this stuff out and you start talking through it people won't assume that oh Apple put out a bad battery if you put out enough PR and and someone says well my phone caught fire they'll be like I bet you they got a thir phone yeah third party battery so so what did we say what do we think about Apple's uh access to repair I mean they they fought for a long time the right to repair some say they still fight it but they certainly have added capability for self-repair in some cases um do we think they're really committed to that or is it more uh lip service due to regulation I I think Jason had it had it right they have a lot of priorities I think repairability is one of them because remember that they also repair phones so the quicker they can do a turnaround on a phone the better for them however that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to make sure that they're going to make the most they're not going to make a framework style iPhone where oh all you need is one screwdriver and you can have this entire thing took completely apart in five minutes it's not important it's Overkill uh and I do think that this is this is another case where because there is outside pressure to make things more repairable or at least less ridiculous to fewer what seem to be artificial obstacles towards repair I I do think that that is entering into the pipeline a lot quicker and I I don't necessarily think that it should be easy to rep to replace a camera module because if you did something that broke a camera module that is that's not normal wear and tear that's something that just super bad luck or don't don't try to get a selfie in front of a hot springs and try to keep keep your hands on your phone use a table labeled expanding access to repair services service and repair options for Apple devices you know I mean they're increasing it one of the things I thought was interesting um I don't know if they've talked about this you're going to be able to uh use used Apple parts and get support for calibration um they currently don't do true tone and stuff like that yeah they don't currently don't do that um Apple tools for rental Apple tools for purchase thirdparty tools so they're talking about support here all the way from Apple itself to self-service repair and yeah they're making progress there um yeah they don't support third party parts but they're making progress yeah it's just it's just obnoxious things like Parts pairing which is not in itself a problem so long as a third party repair shop can get access to the tool they need to actually make this repair work as long as they don't do the ridiculous things I'm good they do they do have in their FAQ this fascinating question is designing for repairability better for the environment by the way I mean yes it turns out it turns it turns out it turns out it is it it is yeah they're they're trying a lot of different things here I think there was even a story in our in our notes for this episode from the information about how they are exploring this technology that basically you apply an electrical charge and it just turns off and it's not an adhesive anymore and that like that look Apple's goal I think ultimately is not to make products that are repairable by you at home by sliding a thing out and you know right like their goal is the product should be able to go to somebody who has tools and that they can repair your product or replace apart and that doesn't have to be apple although Apple you know has its system but it doesn't have to be apple I don't think ultimately Apple views this it repair itself as a as a a profit Center nor do I think Apple philosophically believes that whenever anything breaks on an iPhone you should throw it away and buy a new iPhone I do think Apple has actually built a business around what Andy said which is taking in old iPhones and if they're if they're refurbish or resellable or the parts can come apart and be reused are recycled like that there's a whole chain of use for them from just recycling all the way up to taking it and selling it at a much lower price in a market that where maybe the brand new phones aren't affordable and like they've built this whole structure around it I think they that part of them battles with their control freak side which is like oh we only want the best LCD panels in you know the best OLED panel in our in our phone and these didn't weren't up to Snuff and so we don't like them I don't think it's like aha we will sell them the expensive display and make money on the repair I think it's much more the oh not that bad one don't give him that bad display or in the case of the battery that battery is not up to our standards and it's got a bigger chance of of being bad so don't use that but I think that I think it's more their control over like the perception of the quality of their product that if you get it repaired and with a lousy part that then your iPhone experience is bad but it's you know it's a push and poll right between them wanting to be environmental and them wanting to make money and them wanting to have control over the the parts and their products and like I I think it's I I think they're conflicted is what I'd say but I do think that they are getting better because and and this is going to be true with AI too which is in the early days of a product category where things are barely even being put together you know the SIM tray is repairable right because they're like look it's amazing this thing exists at all of course it's one block and there's nothing else in it right but over time as the product matures you get to the point where you're like yes nobody repairs more phones than Apple right so there's nobody more invested in making them more repairable than Apple because Apple's the one who their repairers have to repair so many of these phones so they're getting there but it's taking them time and and and the thing is every time this conversation comes up I have repaired my own Apple devices I have taken them to un unauthorized taken them to authorized taken them to Apple and at this point I would never take a a device to a non-authorized or apple like and there only two that I would do it at other than those I would never go to unauthorized or try to do it myself because it's never going to be the same these are built at such a high high level of the this the tolerances are so small that the chances of you actually being able to fix your phone or have an unauthorized uh um U repair shop piix your phone and have it ever be the same again is very low you know so you just have to know that when you get it back it's probably never going to quite be the same maybe you can't afford to do it and you decide that's the that's the cost going to pay but you're paying that cost is that that phone is never going to be the same it's just it without people who are properly trained to do that with all with the proper tools um it's it's just not the same you know and the and it's just because we're not you know I tore apart laptops I mean within the first week of my Apple 2E I was I had my head in it I was re I was rewiring something it's just come to a point where the tolerances are no longer the the boards no longer look like the inside of an apple 2E they are of course extremely tight and I just soet anymore there's the other and the last thing that we haven't talked about that's also kind of pertinent is that um they're going to be a lot of people that if you if Apple doesn't make these things easy to repair authorized repair service anything that's that's easy to get access to if you got a broken screen um Motorola makes some awesome $200 phones Samsung makes some awesome $2 to $300 phones I don't mean that oh my God I'm suffering oh my God I can't believe I'm using this Fisher Price shoe phone it's like no it's really really very very good and the person who's trying to get a six-year-old phone working again is not going to notice anything but improvements if they decide well it's going to cost 500 I can't get this repaired for less than $300 or $400 it's going to cost me $5 to $600 for the iPhone what's the latest one they have the 11 the 12 whatever whatever the oldest one they keep in the line as the budget phone if they have walked into a store with $200 to Bend or just a to get a contract phone they might be diverted away to an Android phone cuz that's where the that's where the cheap stuff is going to be so Apple is very very much if they can walk in somewhere with a broken screen or a bad battery walk out with $180 repair Bill and an iPhone 6 iPhone 7 still working great that is definitely in Apple's best interests Apple does answer the musical question why is Parts pairing the practice of using software to identify component parts through unique identifier important Arts bearing is critical to ensuring our customer security and privacy it accom accomplishes this in numerous ways including deterring Bad actors from cloning parts to bypass security protections and access customer data which is not a theorical theoretical Threat by the way it's not in a 2023 study security researchers were able to bypass the biometric protections of three popular PC fingerprint sensors using external hardware and uh I think hot dogs calibration is another important part of the repair process ensuring that Apple devices operate to their full potential if a third party part is used in a repair calibration will not be supported and then the Apple device will be attempt to activate the part and allow it to operate to its best possible performance which by the way is not much it's important to note today that apple does not disable third-party parts except in the context of Biometrics uh while Parts pairing does add a step to the repair process it's a key element of our strategy to ensure that our wallets are fat and our customers data is secure no I'm just being fous here but you know that's what you'd expect them to say security buddy I I am I am very happy because the usual they get out of jail free card for any crisis is oh well we would we would do that but I we don't want to com compromise the security and privacy and well what what are the details there you don't need any details don't worry your little head about that stop yeah so yeah so the again this is why I document I I I I think that a company like apple is looks like that they're realizing that they can't just simply be the the Ivory Tower that no information ever flows out from if you're going to if you're going to make a statement that here is why we're going to inconvenience the hell out of a lot of people explain why and don't just Pat ourselves on Pat us on the head give us a brownie and send us back into the playground give us a document like this that at least we can take a look as say make your case so that we can either believe you or not believe you and at least it means that they they're taking it seriously either from a consumer level or from a regulatory level and I like that you're watching Mac break weekly Andy and AKO likes it I can put that in my little blurb at the bottom of the poster uh Mr Alex Lindsay office hours. Global and from six colors.com Jason Snell um it is by the way repair Independence Day happy repair Independence Day a little earlier than the fourth July uh today is the day July 1st that the bills uh for right to repair in California Minnesota go into effect coverage in New York is already in effect so that means according to I fix it and Liz Chamberlain 20% of the US has the right to repair electronics congratulations they very patriotic repair white and blue is they're phrasing it uh it has been a hard fight Apple says it supports right to repair but they fought pretty hard against it yeah um but I think we're making progress and thanks to I Fixit by the way uh they they're the ones behind rep.org and the website and about I think they've lobbied hard to get this uh get this done all over um all over the country 20% anyway fight fight fight fight fight fight and then it becomes inevitable okay yeah we'll figure out a way to do this it's repair Independence Day where your re wrench proudly I I guess all right I got another sunno radio jingle Joe said you didn't you didn't do the custom button let's [Music] see okay I don't know let's try try I have been I just want to point out I've been to a lot of corporate events that that the music would sound sound just like that this doesn't put real musicians Bonito don't worry out of work this puts you know musac makers out of work why is it all 80s I don't [Music] know [Music] yeah for the drop it goes [Music] yeah oh I'm sorry I get so everything with AI it's a cliche so you know exactly what's coming but still it was great to hear that go oh there's going to be a big drop it's great it's all it's got these generators they got mediocrity locked down if you want something mediocre can Ser it's the it's the average of everyone so you you know like all all of AI is the average of everyone and most cliche possible it's the ultimate cliche my daughter sent me she was so excited an article from Neuroscience news AI unveils evolutionary patterns predicted by Darwin and Wallace I did not send her the obvious snarky comment yeah that's because it's read Darwin and race and it's just regurgitating stuff Darwin and it's not like they thought it up before Darwin and Wallace now that would be impressive a novel AI powered study explores evolutionary differences between male and female Birdwing butterflies shedding new light on a historical debate between Darwin and Alfred Russell Wallace okay they used machine learning to analyze 16,000 butterfly specimens okay maybe I'm wrong I mean this is this is where machine learning learning becomes really interesting in AI is the ability to to interrogate massive amounts of information that a human being would just take a long time and it's it's it's kind of a it was going to be something that was very manual no longer very manual to go through dig through all this data and look for patterns I mean I still go back to the stuff that I think we talked about in this show where the AI could see that someone was going to get cancer for six months from now doesn't know why the doctors don't know why nobody knows why but it sees a pattern like hey this connects to this and it sees it in a way that you could never find by hand you know like that's the that's the thing and that's why again like a lot of doctors are telling people to put these Apple watches on and you know have that data because data that that that it that it's going to make correlations that you wouldn't be able to do if you were just trying to look at it piece by piece so this is actually now that I read the article was pretty interesting apparently I Charles Darwin thought that males had more variation because uh you know the the evolution was determined by uh sexual selection and so males would have these variants and the females would then choose mates based on male appearance and Wallace thought natural selection uh across SE was the biggest factor in differences it turns out they were you're both right they they analyzed these butterfly wings and while there were more uh males showed more variation there were subtle variations in females so you're both right thank you uh let us pause uh to remind everybody to vote no what am I reminding everybody oh to join the club very important if you're not yet a member of Club twit you could celebrate right to repair right [Music] now because we have nothing against you repairing us nothing uh by joining the club you can fix our cop pocketbook fix it yeah that's what we need fixed right now is our pocketbook uh one ad in this show and it's trade so yeah you know uh it's getting a little harder frankly to keep the lights on in the studio and keep the staff employed and pay our wonderful contributors you could help $7 a month gets you adree versions of all the shows gets you access to the community Through Discord where everybody gets together uh day and night to talk about things Geeks love and lots of events including Stacy's 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it's people who are using apps to track so it's probably not necessarily the best demographic match but it is an interesting barometer because I keep seeing in in stories about streaming that uh some people say nobody's watching Apple TV plus if you look at some of the ratings and then you also look at some of these other reports it's like actually it's doing okay given everything and I think when you talk to experts what they end up saying is there's going to be a real consolidation of streamers over time but Apple's going to be there right because Apple's playing a different game Amazon and apple are going to be there Netflix and Disney are going to be there and the question is will anybody else be there or will that be it in the long run but like apple I mean it's been a long time that they've been doing TV plus now and and they get their moments they've got their Ted lasso moments here and there're they've built a catalog that's pretty good and their Originals I gotta say it like I they they do a good job there are a lot of really good shows especially on TV plus so I think they've done a pretty good job I think that I'm watching more series now on Apple Plus and I made fun of them for a long time cuz the first two years I thought were a complete disaster like there was nothing that I was had any interest in at all and I thought they were dumb and now I find you know sugar I thought was really good love sugar it was weird it looked like a Noir detective story until it wasn't and then and then the and then Presumed Innocent which I admit that I started watching because my brother was the a camera on it but but the um Presumed Innocent it's really good I I don't know if you guys have watched it like it's just no not yet yeah yeah it's really it's very uncomfortable there's a lot of very like uncomfortable all let's watch it it's just like like like the whole time you know like just a lot of uncomfortable situations a horrific murder upends the Chicago prosecuting attorney's office when one of its own is suspected of the crime leaving the accused fighting to keep his family together Scott Scott Tero book right it was it was Harrison Ford in the 90s oh it was a movie that's right so this G Hall is the uh and it's so much better than the than the the Harrison for one was good I like the movie but this one is it's nice when you have five or six hours to really delve into something you know and it's the big thing with apple with Apple products if the if the story is remotely good the production quality is just oozing with quality like just oozing with quality I hear the camera work on that one is really good too yeah that camera is amazing he's it's excellent we know I was going to praise dark matter which we're in middle of right now which is also based on a novel and it is you know it's I think it's I would call it sci-fi for people who are not comfortable with sci-fi it's sort of pitched that way but um it is I mean like one of my all-time favorites and it's not as good as counterpart one of my all-time favorites a great great show about parallel universes and what that says about our identity and the road not taken and etc etc uh dark matter is a little like that too little more aggressive a little more violent in a lot of ways than counter part but very good and it looks amazing and again with all these Apple loves having you know having shows that look good and that have well-known people in their cast and so they spend the money on that stuff and and uh and it does feel like that when you watch an apple thing it's like they didn't they got whoever they wanted in that phase you know like they they weren't they weren't at at loss to have some great actors in there you know and you know I thought Silo was really good as well and so I app Apple's h on all all all cylind is coming back I was very excited is com back how how long has it been I'm going to have to rewatch all of sance just to remember it's the writer strike was the problem right like a lot of this stuff got delayed because of the writer strike so I'm just waiting for Ted lasso Cricket you know like and another great thing about Apple they're unlikely to take down a series for a tax write off like Paramount plus Disney like every all these other places so once they get them they stay got they're also doing a thing that a lot of people maybe not notice but um they have started doing even though they they're basically building their catalog themselves um by licensing and you know commissioning stuff but they've also been licensing older content especially movies and they kind of cycle it through so if you think about like the old days of cable with like HBO or Showtime where you know the same 20 movies would just air in continually for an entire month and then disappear Apple TV plus actually is doing that too they're trying to strike themes maybe that are connected to some of the stuff that's on the service at any any given time but they've got like you know they they will drop 30 or 40 different movies for a month and you know you get into the interface there and you're like oh I was gonna watch I was going to rent this movie or find it on another streaming service and here it is on TV plus so they're experimenting with other content that's relevant to Their audience and relevant to their shows that they're commissioning that are from the catalog so there they're trying there's other stuff on TV plus now too and and maybe this is my age talking but I need that kind of deadline I need the idea that okay this movie is going to cycle out in two months I've got stuff on my Netflix queue that probably carried over from like DVD not Blu-ray but DVD where okay well I'll watch that sometime but if it's always there there's like I like it that something the Discord is saying this I like uh Matt M Mavs guy congratulations Mavs guy on almost making it all the way I like it that they're releasing some things on Blu-ray which I guess is a testament to Apple's belief that hey we got the quality you really to see this in UHD although they have the complete Ted lasso yeah uh all three seasons for 80 bucks those are actually done by other Studios and apple licenses them for streaming and there's a window in there where after a certain amount of time oh so it's not Apple releasing it it's the it's their contract with Warner Brothers I want to say in that Cas it does come with a believe sign so if you want to put that over your locker room door you can yeah well there's more money to be made with fans buying discs or people who've never seen it because because it's on streaming libraries my wife works at a library they still have a lot of Library traffic that's people who want discs they don't have good internet they don't have streaming services and so it's great that all of these streaming well not all many of the streaming shows do end up making it to disc because that is a another ancillary Market but it's usually like separate from the streaming rights they're allowed to go and take it out to disc after a while it it really is a damn shame when you have a a movie or TV series that is epic and it's it's it's a cultural mover and you can't get it unless you've got a subscription to there's still there's still Ser episodes of Reno 911 my one of my favorite favorite series ever I haven't seen any I will never seen because they were on like QB and now QB is gone uh whereas it used to be that if if you if you're willing to wait you can buy something on dis and you'll you'll own it forever and I just I I wonder what's going to happen to a whole bunch of series when uh a a streamer suddenly decides they're not interested in it anymore they don't there's a market to actually uh put it on sale in the iTunes Store uh or Google play or any of the other uh digital download stores and then that's when it's like okay how does uset piracy work can I find a copy of this Knives Out movie I mean if Knives Out were not available on Blu-ray it'd be like I don't know that I can allow myself to not own this I don't want to have to keep I don't want to keep spending $9 a month forever just so I can watch this wonderful movie anytime I want to well and and I think that you also look at you know like the railroads all of these things there's this mad rush towards you know getting uh or or the internet or anything else there's always a mad rush and then you start to have the the whittling away of things so others is whittling away to zero it's at 3% Paramount's probably going to die um or be absorbed or something like that and so you've got there's 12% that are that's floating around for somebody but you have to prove that you're when someone gets off of that and they go I got a little money to spend on another on a different subscription I mean you know Prime has some good stuff their interface is almost unusable and and you saw that you saw I mean the the the being able to scrub in Prime is like sandpaper on my like is so fat so makes me so angry good news for Andy I just wanted to mention this so quibby got bought by Roku and they had it for a while but Reno 911 is a show that actually I think is owned by I guess it's Paramount now because it was Comedy Central um so it's not streaming anywhere now but it is undoubtedly going to stream it will surface right somewhere will it be Paramount will it be 2B who knows where but that stuff does come around eventually because again it's actually this great reason which is quibby remember quibby uh kby uh died real fast yep but but you know these streamers don't generally they're not the studio that makes the thing they just license it So eventually it goes back to Sony or Warner Brothers or Paramount or whoever and then they can sell it to somebody else that's the that's the silver lining in the dark cloud I guess true you're reminding me that Lieutenant Dangle did meet Captain peard so we we have we have that in the in the expand conned I'm pretty excited thank you scooter X for passing this story from 9 to5 Mac along if you're using the beta of iOS 18 or if you update to TV 18 which now I'm going to do when I get home tonight the mute button will now turn on subtitles automatically yes and skip back if you skip back if you press the skip back button on your remote you will also get subtitles on briefly oh well they've had that feature I used to do that all the time I press the Siri button say what did he just say and it would go back 30 seconds and put subtitles on for 30 seconds but now it will work with the skip back button automatically you don't have to use Siri at all what did he just say which I like doing I always enjoy doing that I'm in a family that has the captions on like all I turn them off and then everyone gets upset with me cuz I I just want to watch the film but I have to admit uh a tenant doesn't make any sense without captions like just it just it's a random swash of scenes without captions and and uh you know it's I think it's a key factor I think that you know I've been really thinking about a lot of this with with theaters and theaters are trying to figure out why aren't people coming back to the theaters well it's because you know these streamers can pay for all these big actors they have and they have captions you like so you can't turn the captions on in the theater and that that's a real problem for a bunch of people in my family they won't go because they're like oh I won't understand what they're saying and that has to do with creative decisions are your children losing their hearing or they just no they just they're just no it's we changed the mix no these kids today kids love captions my my my kids watch everything with captions too at least they're reading but but the the films yeah exactly you know what they say learn to read so that you can read to learn so the um uh the uh but what's happened is in a lot of these the design has pushed the the um all of the uh all the voices into the into the sound design they want it to make be more environmental yeah and a lot of people are having trouble pulling out exactly and they want to know everything it's not that you can't hear what they're saying you can't hear every word and you can't see everything and when you get used to that with captions then they don't want to give that up they want to see every single word that was said right yeah so speaking of tvos that's also a new is teacher of tvos they currently use some machine learning to do a dialogue enhance to make the dialogue clearer for like homepods I think used with Apple TV but the next tvos version will extend that to other audio devices like receivers and and and other speakers and stuff and that's that's the feature of like I can't hear a word these people are saying you can turn on dialogue enhance and it will pull it's actually doing analysis of voice frequencies and pulling The Voice forward and trying to undo what the mix is doing well the secret is is that is that the if you if you get a surround mix so if you're if they're delivering an Atmos all almost all almost all the voices are coming down the center Chann so so like for instance in mine um I don't have that enhanced yet so in my receiver I my my turn up turn the center channel yeah my no my my I'm about 10 feet away I tell it the center channel is 30 fet away so what I do is I just turn up the thing and so everything comes much louder down the center channel than it was originally designed and it works very smart ah here's a final chance for sunno to make us happy this is Kev Brewers jingle for the Mac break weekly show let's let's hear it time to break [Music] breor wow she's really working it I like this one he said radio Jingles 1950s [Music] earlier than that now can and Andrew sister style let me know if this plays through let me see if this let me see if this plays through I'm not sure I have some rewiring to do here no you don't hear that do you hold on hold on huh no this is something who did this one sunno or or some other AI wait is that do you hear that nope oh no I'll figure it out it's nice and quiet I like that that about that jingle it's a quiet jingle yeah no it was I to you're watching Mac break weekly with or without a jingle uh Jason Snell Andy anako and with our pick of the week Mr Alex Lindsay I blew I'm sorry I was rerouting something I got lost can you hear me okay yeah you can't hear me now you're not lost I hear you can you hear us I'm lost yeah I can hear you now okay so um uh so my uh sorry I was playing Jingles is central control um so we had uh Joda Max on on Friday on office hours and it's just really impressive this is what central control lets you do is it lets you build a um uh this is we use it in production so this is uh it lets you build interconnections between lots and lots of hardware and software at one time so that we can tie things together we can build um remote control so this is a little bit like people use companion and this is kind of a higher a more stable version of companion um and so what this does is it says oh I want to have I want to create um uh control surfaces or I want to have different apps able to control um uh different you know interconnect the apps all their IO and all the it basically builds a a layer in between so that you can and we're building complex when we're building complex things like I want to push a button on my on my on something and have my lights turn on and I want to push something else and have this this turn on I want to switch to another thing on my switcher and you can but you want to have your own control surfaces to do that and you want you have your own uh and possibly even have things that are happening when this happens in this app I want this to do this and so when we're doing it in production this is a pretty important piece of the puzzle of being able to build interfaces you can build them in iPads you can build them on your on your screen where you can click on it and a series of actions will happen all at one time um this is the first time that core has this has been mostly a PC thing until recently so core is available on the Mac and the PC um and uh but really when it comes to running shows um you know um complex shows almost everybody's using something like either central control or or companion to run those um to tie those together so that's the uh but that's that's my pick I should pay more attention to this kind of stuff since we're gonna have I'm gonna have to be doing this you're you're exactly where so imagine having a stream deck up and you can tie to the buttons in the Stream deck I want to turn my lights on I want to turn this off I want to turn my mic on I want you know whatever those things are you can push all of them to your stream deck and so now all the things that you need to do on a regular basis whether it's cutting your you know editing the show to um turning lights on and off mics on and off bringing new people in all of those things are are are automatable um to tie that in it's it's really powerful and core is like 40 bucks or something and it's that's not 40 bucks a month or a year that's just 40 bucks they have a I think they have some kind of subscription service if that's what you want but you can also just buy it out as well nice okay thank you Alex I'm making a note of that Andy and AKO pick of the week uh one of the features that's coming in snowa at the end of the year is uh window window tiling window management window snapping uh Apple's done so much work to make complicated things like stage manager but they've never done something as simple as I just want to be able to put my windows into grids so they don't overlap with each other like when I'm recording a podcast like I don't want overlapping windows I want to see the recording deck I want to see the chat I want to see uh the record this that and the other and I I would just keep wishing I could do something as simple as I can do in the iPad so okay so some of these features might be coming in Soma if I think they were in the first beta but they don't seem to work really well so we don't really know how they're going to work yet in the meantime maybe you want to check out my favorite uh window management tool it's called swish uh cost 16 bucks you can get a free trial what I like about it is that it doesn't uh it doesn't impose its own belief system of what you would logically like to do with your windows okay it doesn't like said oh well of course you want the main you want one app to be the most of the screen and then another app to be one quarter of the screen to the left it really is like okay here's a 4x4 grid you can optionally set it to uh like a 3X two or even a 3X3 grid and there are really really good shortcuts both with multi-touch on the trackpad uh and keyboard shortcuts and dock commands so that you can EAS easily say I want this to be a quarter of the screen I want it to be right over here I want this to be oneir of the screen over here and I don't want it to overlap and encd on this and it works really really well with multiple monitors as well uh so there's a really good chance of course this will get sherlocked uh when snowa comes out however that's conditional on the idea that somoma is actually good at this and it's possible that it will be better but it won't be as ambitious a thing as swishes again I don't just want to have two app by side like on my iPad I love how my iPad does uh multiple uh multiple has side by side apps and how easy it is to arrange however again when I have a big big screen at home I want to be able to make use of that and I want a tiled interface I don't necessarily want overlapping windows and switch makes it very very easy to just without even really thinking about it I want this to be there and in this size and suddenly I've got a grid where nothing overlaps and everything's you know lining up exactly correctly so again not cheap 16 bucks but you can get a free trial and see if you actually like it definitely keep at the minimum keep this in the back of your mind when you uh install Sonoma at the end of this year cuz just because it's better doesn't mean it's as good as what it could be and swis is one of those enhancements that absolutely changed how I use my my desktops with a big screen as opposed to the smaller screens I've got when I'm a mobile excuse me there are a lot of choices in this category this is your yeah because and that that's that's always a testament to how bad a company has messed up a basic feature on an operating system rectangle yeah exactly there's tons of them yeah but do you think you think this is the best of the much the bunch it's my favorite because it makes it doesn't make a meal out of it again I can just simply Mouse into the into the title bar and then do a gesture and suddenly it's exactly where I want it to be whereas some of the others some of the others again you might maybe try others they have different methodologies of how you interact with it how you make your intentions knowns I like swish because again it it doesn't get in in the way of my intentions it just simply does what I what I want it to do and it doesn't stop me from doing something by saying why on Earth would you want it in thirds you don't you don't no no I'll give you quarters you you're lucky to have quarters why would you want two-thirds no no no no no Swish and uh you can find swish at highly opinionated doco yeah yeah thank you this is also a good time like if if there's a app that might get sherlocked at the end of the year if you got the scratch may just buy a bunch of these apps so that they get you they have so they can have a nice Christmas at least you know yeah kind of give an app a a toy kind of a thing yeah Mr Jason Snell you're uh you're the remaining pick of the week it's it's down to me uh yes this is a free app that actually came out during the Butterfly Fly keyboard crisis but I I discovered the other day that I was frustrated by my keyboard which I love every now and then it doubles uh a space or it doubles another character there's like a little bounce going on there and I love the keyboard but I hate you know typing a word that I know how to spell and there's an extra letter in there and I know I didn't press it twice and that's uh that's called a bounce and it it you can there is software that will detect if a key is pressed quickly uh in succession and uh you can remove it and this was written during when the butterfly keyboard had this problem but it still works it's called un shaky it's free it's open source it's on GitHub you can Fork it you can do whatever you want with it or you can just download it and install it and that's all it does it's got a few little configuration niceties but basically what it's looking for is two key presses in Rapid succession as received that's a sign that you probably didn't actually press the space bar twice or or any other key and it will it de bounces it will remove one of those key presses so that it doesn't get passed on so your word that was going to have 2D in it when there's only one cuz you only pressed it once we'll only have one it's super simple and after I recognized that I was having this problem a couple weeks ago I said wasn't there a butterfly keyboard thing about this I mean the menu bar item is actually the picture of a butterfly with a line through it but uh it still works for me so I'm recommending it if you get frustrated by a keyboard that you love but that is giving you double characters from time to time uh maybe try un shaky very nice thank you my friend thanks to all of you because uh that pretty much wraps it up for this week of Mac break weekly Jason Snell is at six colors.com he uses all six in his beautiful graphs every time Apple does quarterly I think we must be due for a quarterly report we've we all the colors that next month next month next month okay because we have wrapped up a quarter at the end of June I believe January February March April May June yes uh so get your uh get your color finger going anything else you going on at sixcol.com toner on it you know writing about stuff I've got a piece coming out tomorrow uh in Mac that's talking about how Apple's going to handle the Siri fragmentation that's inevitable now where we're going to have some devices that have Smart Siri and other devices that have dumb Siri have some ideas about existing features that they've got that they might be able to to apply to make it less awful for everybody at some point and uh yeah check out maybe the upgrade podcast on relay FM that I do with my curly every week that's you can find that if you go to sixcol.com Jason that's where all of his fine podcasts are stored thank you Jason great to see you stay cool we have not yet broken 100° but I think we're at 97 now I think it's 94 here now but inside it's cool inside it's in the low 70s so there's a Runza in the running here we're kind of in the hanging in the balance I can't remember did you say I said it'll go above 100 you said it wouldn't is that what we're I I think I was supposed to go above a 100 I don't know I don't know like you know what there's two runs left let's just each have one Mr H Andy Ando when are you gonna be on gbh next I'm off this week but if you come to the Boston Public Library next Friday at 12:30 you can watch me live at the gbh studio at the Boston Public Library get yourself a cup of coffee and a cookie both of which you will have to pay for uh if you can't be there at the Boston Public Library to watch me live go to WGBH news.org and stream it live or later or listen to any of my previous Tech news roundups thank you sir it's great to see you where are you I am I am at site B there there's is that in case of nuclear war uh is it a little fallout shelter down the road or no this is there it's if I decide to when I decide to go remote there's it's like a Amazing Race sort of thing you have multiple options each with its own own pros and cons uh the audio was good here we didn't have any breakups good bandwidth so yes I will I I will tell you off camera that I've I've discovered a secret that is really magic magic secret great this one this one has has a nice diner nearby so I can go out if I want to have like a really nice Diner lunch right before the show I can have have lunch and then go next door so jealous thank you Andy thank you Alex Lindsay office hours. Global very busy this week tell us what's coming up uh well we were talking about today this morning of course we were talking about uh stream Bo's new spatial camera we talked about that last week here so we're going to be doing more tests we're hoping to come up in sometime this month try to shoot a twit oh I'd love to stream a Vision Pro twit yeah phone so we talked a little bit about that today tomorrow we're talking about llama audio which is an is a we're going to use it for cloud mixing but it's a software mixer um so we're going to be talking about that having them on oddly enough on Thursday we thought maybe we'd talk about capturing night displays like fireworks yeah so we thought we thought that would be seasonal and then uh we're talking about whip on Friday which is web RTC for broadcasting and live streaming so should be fun you'll be you'll be glad to know that we probably are not going to be using web RTC after all you convinced us I think we're going to do an ecam plus Zoom ISO I think is what we're going to be doing that makes make a lot of sense yeah yeah absolutely uh thank you Alex thank you Andy thank you Jason thanks to all of you for being here we do Mac break weekly on a Tuesday 11:00 a.m. Pacific 2 p.m. eastern time 1800 UTC the live stream right now is on YouTube we're going to expand that soon but right now youtube.com/ twit live after the fact on demand versions of the show available on the website twit.tv mbw there's a YouTube channel dedicated to macbreak weekly video or you can subscribe to the audio or the video versions of the show uh in your favorite podcast player and get it automatically a very special thanks to our club Twi members who made this show possible today you're you you are the paying folks uh if you're not yet a member of Club twit we'd love to have you twit.tv Club twit now it is my solemn and sad duty to tell you to get back to work because break time is over we'll see you next week [Music]

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Length: 123min 15sec (7395 seconds)

Published: Wed Jul 03 2024