HERDING DOGS: BORDER COLLIE VS. AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOG

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- [Narrator] Dogumentary TV, producing the best breed documentaries on YouTube (barking) (slow-paced guitar) - My name is Rachel Maness, I work here at On The Lamb ranch full-time, I've been working here for the last two years and I work primarily with Australian Cattle Dogs although I do also have a Border Collie. Border Collies are great pets and working dogs because they've got a drive and focus, and intelligence that's really unmatched, they are brilliant problem solvers and that can make them a little bit difficult if they don't have a job to do. Australian Cattle Dogs are slightly less suited for suburban life, they are specifically bred to solve their problems with their teeth and you can run into a lot of problems with nipping if they aren't properly stimulated, Cattle Dogs are very much a one-person dog though, if you imagine a dog that loves everybody like a Golden Retriever or a Labrador, and a dog that just loves everybody they meet and just take all of that love and focus it like a laser on one person, and that's how much your Cattle Dog loves you they are very focused on their person. I've been involved with Cattle Dogs since early childhood, the first ones I ever met were on a cattle ranch where I took horseback riding lessons, and those dogs were amazing they could do anything, and after a full day of work they were happy to run behind the pickup truck all the rest of the evening. I wanted to get into agility, and I wanted to find a breed that could do all of the dog sports, and of course I went with a Cattle Dog, since coming here to work on the land, though, I found I also needed a Border Collie to help with the sheep. The Border Collie is very good at precision and gathering the sheep and getting them exactly where I want them to go and my Cattle Dog provides a lot of power, so the Border Collie I've only had the Border Collie for a couple of years now, Cattle Dogs I've had all my life and they are amazing. Border Collies are bred to work sheep out on the highlands, they're bred to work far out from the sheep and move them with their eyes, they're called a close-eyed breed, they are bred to move the sheep by staring at them. Cattle Dogs are bred to move big, nasty, angry cows in the Australian outback, they're bred to be aggressive, stubborn and in your face, and get up there and get those animals to move, so I find combining them I have a dog that can move the sheep with great precision from a great distance, and sometimes that's not enough power to move the sheep when they don't wanna go, when they've gotten into somewhere they shouldn't be and they're eating the haystack or the grain, I've got just stubborn sheep that don't wanna go, the cattle dog is phenomenal at moving the sheep and getting them going and getting them motivated, because the sheep don't actually think that the Border Collie is going to eat them, but they're pretty sure the Cattle Dog will, given the opportunity. (Low-key blues music) Australian Cattle Dogs were developed in the early 1800s not long after Australia was settled in the late 1700s they were developed specifically by Thomas Hall in New South Wales, he needed dogs that could move thousands of cattle because he had over a million acres of grazing land and he was putting thousands of head of cattle out on these pastures and it was unfenced, they were leaving the cows out there for months at a time and the cows were just nasty, and he needed dogs that could move with power and force, and could also stand the heat, and the dogs that were coming from England that the settlers were bringing with them couldn't handle the climate, so what he needed was something with the climate and the power and ability to move the stock, that could also handle the Australian climate and moving thousands of cows over hundreds of miles to market. So what he did was he took the Northumberland Rovers dogs from the North of England up on the border with Scotland, the same place Border Collies originated, these were some of the dogs that would eventually be called Border Collies, and he crossed those with the native Australian Dingo, and so what he got was a dog that would bite the heels of the cows to get them moving and could move even the nastiest, wildest cows, and could move, again, thousands of cows over hundreds of miles. Before he developed these dogs, Thomas Hall had written that he'd lost 200 cows in one day, out just in the brush, because the terrain was so rough, so he developed these dogs that could move the cows and keep them together and they didn't have that kind of losses after that. (Slow harmonica, guitar) The Border Collies originated on the border of England and Scotland and they were bred to get sheep that had been out on the highlands without a lot of predators, and so the sheep would be spooked by sending a dog out to get them, so you had to have a dog that could work out, far and wide, and not spook the sheep, and move them with gentle pressure. (music) Border Collies are bred to work on sheep, Cattle Dogs are bred to work on cows, Border Collies are bred to be chasing sheep around in grassy hills of Scotland, Cattle Dogs are bred to be herding cows in the Australian outback, to move cows through a mountain range in the middle of New South Wales, so Cattle Dogs are tough and they are stubborn, I personally think they are the toughest dog out there, as an example there was a dog a few years ago named Sophie, in Australia, who fell off a boat in shark-infested waters, in really rough seas, swam five miles to an Island, hunted feral goats for about three months until they decided that she posed a problem to the native wildlife, she was trapped like a wild animal, returned to her family, went home and slept on the couch that night. The Australian Cattle Dog is a breed with many names, they started out being called Hall's Heelers, until about the 1870s when Thomas Hall died and his lands were sold off, from then they were called Heelers, they come in two colors, blue and red, and they're frequently called Blue Heelers, Red Heelers, or Queensland Heelers, these are all the same breed, it's all the Australian Cattle Dog. The breed name that the kennel clubs decided on when they decided to start registering them in the 1870s was Australian Cattle Dog. The first breed standard was written by Robert Kaleski in 1903. Working sheep with a Cattle Dog is a little bit of a challenge, because she does have a lot of power and my Cattle Dogs are specifically bred to work cows, so a lot of it is convincing the Cattle Dog to work farther enough and calm enough that the sheep don't really think the Cattle Dog is going to eat them, although they're always a little bit worried. (upbeat music) In a pet home, Cattle Dogs and Border Collies both excel at activities like agility, disc, frisby, dock diving, really anything where their brain is being engaged, they're not the kind of dog you can go run five miles with all day, run five miles a day with and then they'll be tired, they need mental exercise too, so if you're going to run them five miles then you need to go home and do some trick training with them, teach them to sit up, teach them to spin in circles, they are wonderful dogs for people that enjoy training their dogs, they're not couch potatoes, I do think Border Collies are a little bit better with children, Cattle Dogs tend to be very nippy, they are born wanting to bite things' heels, and while most puppies are very nippy, Cattle Dogs are more persistent about it than most. Border Collies can be very sweet, sometimes a little bit sound sensitive, they have feelings, you can hurt their feelings, they are wonderful dogs, some of them make great service dogs, they're up for doing whatever you want them to do. Border Collies are more likely to love everybody, Cattle Dogs and Border Collies need about the same amount of socialization and exercise and training, I do think that Cattle Dogs, the socialization aspect is a little bit more important, Border Collies tend to default to being mostly okay with everybody especially if they're from a good breeder. Cattle Dogs just come in one coat type, they shed a lot but they don't tend to matt up, so as long as you don't mind sweeping things up and combing the hair off of them they require very little grooming, I like to say that mine is made of Scotch Guard and Teflon because nothing sticks to her, no burrs, no foxtails, nothing. Border Collies come in two coats, you can have smooth coats and you can have rough coats. The smooth coats tend to be like my Cattle Dog, they shed a lot, but they don't pick stuff up. Border Collies with longer hair you do have to comb them out, especially out here I have to check my dog for foxtails all the time, I feel like the rough coats don't shed quite as much, but they do require some grooming to make sure they're not getting matted and tangled. Cattle Dogs' breed standard says they should be between 17 and 20 inches and weight isn't as important as balance. What you get with the shows though is you get dogs that tend to be long in the back, short in the leg, and very heavy-bodied, and you end up with dogs that can't really work all day, this is a breed that's supposed to be running in the outback all day long, and if you see ones on ranches, mostly working cattle dogs can work all day, but the confirmation ones that you see in the show ring, they're trending more and more towards losing that ability to work in favor of this big, heavy, low body. Border Collies have a huge range especially working Border Collies can be 25 pounds or 70 pounds, they can be long-haired, short-haired, their ears can go any which way they can be any color. My Australian Cattle Dog is named Sissy Godzilla, she is a Red Heeler, she's a little bit unusual for Cattle Dogs because she was born with a docked tail. Cattle Dog breed standard says they're supposed to have a tail but sometimes they're born with a naturally short tail, so she was born with a little tiny nub, we didn't cut it off, but people do sometimes dock their tails, I think there's some confusion between the Australian Cattle Dog and the Australian Shepherd, the Australian Shepherd was developed in the American Southwest to herd sheep that were coming in from Australia, Australian Cattle Dog was actually bred and developed in Australia, Australian Shepherds are supposed to have their tales docked, and I think at some point there was a bit of a disconnect because there is an American tradition of docking Australian Cattle Dogs even though it's against the breed standard and it's not traditionally done in Australia. Sissy Godzilla weighs about 28 pounds, she's 17-inches tall, she's very small for a Cattle Dog, she's also very leggy, so she doesn't look at all like the show ring dogs, but she certainly has the ability to cover ground and zoom as fast as she needs to go to get out and around the sheep. She is two years old, she comes from working lines in Arizona. My Border Collie Zip is three years old, she was born here at On The Lamb ranch, she's an On The Lamb dog bred by Robin Elliott, and she is an amazing worker, she can figure things out like no other dog, I can send her out where I think there might be sheep, and if there are sheep out there she will go and get them. Sometimes I do occasionally lose her because if there's not sheep over that hill, she'll be over the next hill and keep looking until she finds some sheep. Zip is 18 inches tall, she weighs 36 pounds, she's a little bit on the light side, but for a female Border Collie she's right in breed standard. Zip is a long-haired Border Collie but she doesn't have a heavy coat, so she jumps in stock tanks to cool off all the time, and then with a few minutes later she's dry cos she's got a fast-drying coat, specifically for that purpose. Sissy Godzilla, when we first started herding sheep she was pretty sure her entire purpose here was to bite the sheep and so training for Sissy was originally don't bite the sheep, do anything other than bite the sheep, and once that clicked for her she turned into an amazing working dog. (bird tweets) So Zip and I once went out to the field where I had some sheep inside a portable fence and it turned out they had escaped and they hadn't just escaped out of their small area, they'd escaped off of our land completely and they were out in the public lands in heavy brush where people are known to get lost 100 feet from the trail and be lost for a week because you cannot see anything, and all I could hear was a bell on one of the sheep somewhere out there, and I said Zip go find the sheep, and about ten minutes later she brought be back all 30 sheep in a nice little row and it was brush over my head and I couldn't see them and she just went and got them all. (guitar blues) I love Australian Cattle Dogs, they are a breed like no other, they are tough, they are stubborn, and if they decide they're gonna work for you, they're gonna be stubborn in your favor. They are fierce, they are untamed, you can always see a little bit of that Dingo in them, especially the red ones (laughs). Since the early days of the breed there's always been a concept that the red ones have a little more Dingo in them and it's thought to be a myth but I honestly kind of think maybe there's a little bit of truth to that. Border Collies are amazing as far as their precision, their brains, their ability to problem solve, and their ability to do things independently, and together I find the two breeds make a perfect pairing for the jobs that I need to do here on the ranch.
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Channel: Dogumentary TV
Views: 303,974
Rating: 4.8820724 out of 5
Keywords: Border Collie, Australian Cattle Dog, cattle dogs, herding dogs, dogumentarytv, blue heeler herding cattle, Dogumentary TV, Blue Healer, Queensland Healer, Red Healer, dog, working dogs, dogs, pet, pets, agility dog, agility training, animal planet, mastiff breeds, bandogs, sheep, animal video, working animals, Scottland, Australia, Outback, cow dogs, obedience, dog agility
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Length: 15min 47sec (947 seconds)
Published: Thu Sep 21 2017
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This was awesome! Thanks for sharing. I then watched this video after because it was right next to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFRFuyXESY I have a city red that when we brought him out to a friends cattle farm acted the same way.

👍︎︎ 7 👤︎︎ u/jugglingeese 📅︎︎ Nov 04 2017 🗫︎ replies

I really enjoyed the video. Echo comes from working lines and, other than the tail, is very similar in stature to the ACD in this documentary. I love this breed so much.

👍︎︎ 6 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ Nov 04 2017 🗫︎ replies

Awesome doc. Loads of correct information. Thank you for sharing :)

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/DundyTheCrocodile 📅︎︎ Nov 04 2017 🗫︎ replies

I have a BC ACD mix, so I guess I have to watch this.

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/nickbahhh 📅︎︎ Nov 04 2017 🗫︎ replies
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