Harry Potter
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Channel: Shaun
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Length: 105min 50sec (6350 seconds)
Published: Thu Mar 03 2022
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If you wanna know how the reddit HP fandom received the slavery article on Pottermore 4 years ago, it doesn't look good for them.
Yeesh I obviously heard about the "house elves want to be slaves" thing, but the actual text is so much worse than I imagined.
I'm getting the distinct impression that the movies are better than the books because the people who made the movies knew that the books were a bit rubbish in spots, and wouldn't be film-able if they didn't refine it and make it presentable. If they had delved too deeply into the story, especially the political implications, as Shaun has, we may have been deprived of said film versions, because they might have seen it as too much of a lost cause. Because, you know. Wow. Wooooow. El oh el and roffle mao.
The House Elf heads being stuffed and displayed on plaques really grosses me out, and the fact that they decorate them in kitsch Christmas decorations takes it to a more heinous level. Especially when there's real world equivalents like the Belgian's in the Congo displaying the body parts of the slain Indigenous population as trophies.
Great video. I had no idea that the books had such a flimsy justification for elf slavery. Even if they were 100% correct and Dobby was truly the ONLY elf that wanted freedom, why is it such an essential part of the elf/wizard relationship that the elf not be paid for their labor? Is simply paying the elves under hogwarts a wage not something that Hermione ever brings up?
I love Shaun, and this video was great but he said something about "equality of outcome" that irked me the wrong way. Almost implying that it is sorta the ultimate goal of "the left". This is a convenient attack that conservatives use to paint us as nonsensical weirdos that want some 1984-esque dystopian society where everybody is forced to wear gray suits and eat the same food or something. We do want "equality" or at least more of it when it comes to political and economic power, but we can't guarantee outcomes and in lots of cases shouldn't strive for it. "From each according to their ability to each according to their need" says nothing about equal abilities or needs. Everyone naturally differs there. Some people are children, old and/or disabled for instance, and thus, have more needs. Some people might be naturally stronger and thus, can do certain tasks like lifting shit with greater ability. That's ok. The point is to not have the ones with greater ability be given (or really, allowed to take) extreme wealth and power (e.g. by abolishing the private ownership of the means of production). That would move more towards equal opportunity, which is still difficult, but maybe possible under socialism. Conservatives say they want equal opportunity but its impossible in our neoliberal capitalist world. When they say it they just mean "govt can't force me to do shit" and not "poor people should be given an equal shot at a happy life". I'm really just badly regurgitating Marx's "Critiques of the Gothe Program" here. Anyone interested should give it a read. I think it's really important theory to understand.
shaun has done it again. i give no fucks about harry potter but i'm going to watch this because i care about his opinion.
For context at the time. Harry potter came out when the news was having a whole thing with 'political correctness'. Both in terms of liberals over compensating by switching words out just because they can without really, doing anything to actually make things better. I don't know how many of them where actually true, or manufacture by the news, but an example I remember is switching bah bah black sheep to rainbow sheep.
And the other side of things being, people were just really fucking racist and bigoted, and whining that they might have to stop.
As an example, and one I participated in when I was younger. People would just refer to the Chinese take away as a slur, and people never pointed it out in the same way they would slurs directed at people. I personally didn't even realise the connection until I thought about it again when I was older. I can't say when people stopped, I'm sure many haven't, I just don't personally hear it as much anymore.
The kind of casual racism and meanness in the Harry Potter books isn't entirely out of line with all of that, and it's no surprise people didn't point it out as much for a long time (though it did happen, I was in fan communities at the time and it did used to come up, just less often). It just didn't stand out quite as much. It's like when people look back at some of their childhood movies. Some of them are just way worse than we remember. But there's hardly an excuse because there have always been people who are aware and did do better. Plenty of children books in the uk in the 90's and early 00's where not as bigoted as some of the stuff in Harry Potter.
It's all also feels pretty reminiscent of some of the bigotry in the children's media JK would have grown up around. She has failed at moving away from it.
Also a note on Dumbledore's sexuality and the way JK handles that too. Well it does remind me of section 28, that stopped school from "promoting homosexuality" for a good while there. It didn't end until the early 00's, but it's not like the consequences of it didn't linger for some years past that. It was a Thatcher thing, and Blair was PM when it ended. But this kind of lingering, teachers not talking about their social life to any degree (or without being edited in particular ways), espeshaly when they are gay. Well.
Euggh
I love Shaun too much not to watch this... but I'm so so tired of Hogwarts continuing to take up cultural real-estate.