Gun Ban Canada - 2020 Documentary Part 2

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According to armalytics.ca, 1500 banned guns has grown to 1946.

👍︎︎ 25 👤︎︎ u/Sir_Balmore 📅︎︎ Jul 04 2020 🗫︎ replies
👍︎︎ 15 👤︎︎ u/Tkf530 📅︎︎ Jul 04 2020 🗫︎ replies

Thanks for posting

👍︎︎ 9 👤︎︎ u/smartalek75 📅︎︎ Jul 04 2020 🗫︎ replies

Honesty I don't know if these videos are the best thing. The money used to produce them might be better used elsewhere, or these should be more bite sized. People who are ignorant bout or hte guns aren't going to watch a forty minute video on them.

👍︎︎ 10 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ Jul 05 2020 🗫︎ replies

Sad that it will do nothing

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/Forgemaster123 📅︎︎ Jul 04 2020 🗫︎ replies

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👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ Jul 05 2020 🗫︎ replies

Does the CCFR have any account that officially posts or comments on reddit? It seems like a lot of people commenting on this subreddit agree that 40ish minute videos like these are most likely not going to do anything to convince anti gunners about anything to do with firearms or crime in canada. I mean, I'm a gun guy so of course I'm gonna like videos about how we arent the bad guys, but no one else is gonna care to listen or watch something like this.

It would be good to have some sort of channel of communication with the CCFR through reddit to let them know how we feel about their videos. If we are gonna convince anyone that the bans and whatnot are fucked up, the videos need to be short, full of information and to the point. Something Joe-Toronto can spend a couple minutes watching while going through his social feed or something.

Just thinking that it would be nice to see if they hear our feedback on projects like these, or are listening to the feedback we are giving, because recently the stuff theyve been putting out seems kind of tone deaf.

That isnt to say I dont appreciate the CCFR though, and if the CCFR is active on reddit I would love to know!

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/skillest 📅︎︎ Jul 06 2020 🗫︎ replies
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on May 1st 2020 the federal government introduced via an order-in-council new laws and restrictions that immediately affected hundreds of thousands of legal and responsible Canadian gun owners it's something that every Canadian should be concerned and informed about whether you own a firearm or not this happened in the middle of a pandemic with no debate in Parliament and no chance for firearms owners to have their say with the stroke of a pen thousands of guns were moved to a prohibited firearms list and can never be legally used again if you're a gun owner in Canada within the last couple of weeks you probably received a letter that looks a lot like this a vague announcement of a firearms prohibition you're probably wondering what this means to you well you're not alone the uncertainty and confusion created by this band threatens the livelihoods of thousands of people that work in the Canadian firearms industry from the mom-and-pop gun stores that support us to the ranges where we hone our skills all the way through to the instructors that make sure shooting sports are among the safest in the world if you don't think this gun ban affects you you need to listen to our side of the story today we are closing the market that stroke of his comment cost me my retirement we are banning 1,500 models and variants of these firearm worst case scenario it could be a slow death to a business it is law it was introduced back using the word passes and even crashed because it didn't have to pass anything it's not defendable the amount of money that this confiscation regime is going to cost the Canadian public is going to be astronomical these weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time and the vast majority of gun owners use them safely responsibly and in accordance with the law but what happens next is up to us wild TV and CCF are present gun ban Canada [Applause] I'd bet you'd be surprised to know just how many jobs our Canadian firearms industry creates those jobs support us as sport shooters recreational shooters as well as hunters in a time when the economy is so unstable unemployment so high I wonder if the government thought about those jobs and the families they provide for when they banned so many of our guns do they even understand what this industry is all about a Canadian sporting arms and ammunition Association or C s triple-a unlike some of the groups that people are more familiar with we represent business owners in the sporting arms category so Canadian manufacturers distributors wholesalers retailers and gunsmiths we work in conjunction with the consumer groups because those are customers but the job of the C s Triple A is to represent the industry but the bulk of our industry is made up here in Canada of small business owners family-run businesses mom-and-pop shops so it's generally 80 to 90 percent of our businesses are small independently owned businesses which is as we know the backbone of the Canadian economy the Conference Board of Canada does the Economic Analysis for the Government of Canada so we wanted to make sure that we used a credible third party resource to do our economic research so that when we go to government to talk about the industry there's no disputing the numbers so there are 4,500 licensed firearms businesses in Canada so any business that wants to sell firearms or ammunition must be licensed by the chief firearms office they get a business license and as I mentioned there's 4500 business licenses in the country it's gonna decimate it is oh I see if it stands and this is their first wave they've already said well they get away with this they're coming around for a wave too so they're going to keep attacking us and so we need to fight back because if this stands I don't know how many businesses how many communities will be available will be still be around in Canada there's been a lot of MPs talking about bringing manufacturing back to Canada what this is gonna do is is you're taking manufacturing away so what's the point well simple math is there's 40,000 people and you're hitting it with 25% reduction that's 10,000 jobs if you want to pay attention in the media when one of the big corporations in eastern Canada such as SNC lavell and Bombardier GM there's bailouts there's handouts these companies are crying to the federal government that they've been hit hard what's happening to do the 10,000 people spread across the entire country it was like a bomb went off in our industry it was totally unexpected at no point at any time do we have any indication that this was coming we had been talking and hearing the government during the campaign talk about handgun bans that was a big concern we were sort of waiting to see how that would be executed and the difficulty they were gonna have with that but once Co mid-nineteen hit and the whole country went into sort of lockdown we didn't expect to see any legislation around firearms and we have been told that most of the legislation that was on the table was going to be deferred so on May 1st retailers woke up about Thursday afternoon on April 30th the firearms reference table which is the tool that retailers used to check the classification of firearms late in the afternoon on Thursday it went down for maintenance message was that it was down for maintenance stores opened up on on May first operating as normal at 11:30 stores were sent an email bulletin about the ordering council and the new firearms ban that was sent via email so if you're a store operator you know probably the bulk of our retailers shouldn't read that email at 11:30 and at 2 o'clock the government published the regulation quite frankly businesses have never been protected by MST they've never been historically they've never been included in grandfathering they've never been included in buyback programs and our business owners are sitting on somewhere between 900 million and one point 1 billion dollars in unsellable inventory that's business losses to them right now I have watched this government systemically choose based on ideology who gets to do business in Canada and who gets to work in Canada and who does Ames that's wrong that's not what a democracy is that's not what a government who wants to spur private sector growth does and it's certainly not a government that believes you know in free in free and open trade does it is not the government's role to moralize against a mom-and-pop hunting shop it is not the government's job to moralize against the sports shooting range that I go to because they employ people and they abide by the law I know that there are gun owners out there that think this is all rhetoric or somehow what we're saying is overblown I assure you it's not and I assure you that everything I'm telling you is absolutely accurate the government has already and this is this is worth considering as already in the last 45 days banned some 22s some pump-action shotguns and actually a lot of bolt-action rifles you can no longer own a 460 whether it be for example that's too powerful you can't be trusted with it and apparently you can't be trusted with a 22 if it has the wrong kind of stock right the wrong kind of furniture on it do you think you're gonna reason with these people when they decide your gun is too dangerous too so for me you know the choices get involved now or fight this by yourself later [Music] there are over 4,000 licensed businesses serving the Canadian firearms industry they depend on us and we depend on them and many of our communities depend on the jobs that they provide Jr Cox and the people at shooting edge take great pride in not only supplying hunters and sportsmen Ede but also in getting people introduced to the sport for the first time this retired Canadian Forces veteran turned business owner is not done fighting for Canadians yet this time this fight will be in the courtroom as a former Canadian soldier veteran I mean I served in the infantry that's the point he ends right jumped out airplanes you know bounced off the ground I know what military-style weapons are and what we can buy and sell in our stores are not that I wouldn't take anything I sell in my store to go fight in Afghanistan the the ar-15 so the armed light rifle 50 which is the big buzz word and the big gun that they want to get rid of the firearm of choice the most people don't understand that the air 15 is like the Jeep cj7 of the gun world it's been around since the late 50s it's really old technology but you can bolt a bunch of stuff to it so it's really popular because it's inexpensive and there's a thousand companies that make all kinds of acessories for it that's why it's so popular and so so well people are looking at you know these images of soldiers running across battlefields thinking that this is what is being bad the reality over here is it's not nearly the same there's a lot of misconceptions with the sport the beauty of our familiarization training our packages that we run in 20 years that we've been around between the shooting edge and target sports we did our calculations and we have run or introduced over a quarter million people to the shooting sports in 20 years quarter-million people have come through safely of course of that have gone on to become members of the shooting community but a lot of people have come in like that this is like they were almost dragged here especially the corporate functions and I remember we had probably but I think 6 or 7 years ago we had a head office so we had a whole corporate meeting of these people come in and this woman was from Toronto and she was very clear to me when she came in that the only reason she was in is because her boss you know from Calgary said she had to come and she was like I'm only here because of that because I don't get fired and he says yep it's force fun and she went through the steps she got the training she went in and shot and by the time she was leaving she was buying t-shirts for her kids she had no idea how empowering it was and she really enjoyed it and once she got past the initial fright you know embrace it is just a sport or hobby that somebody would want to do she she said she'd never probably never shoot again but she had such a good time and she respected what we did now and said so that's really what we need to do here is part of it is to educate people and get them past that to see that the shooting sports may not be for everyone but we're not a harm you no harmful part of society I'm committing to you know anywhere from 50 to $100,000 in legal expenses if I can't raise anything else and you never know right you just never know so we committed we cut the check we got the team going and then we put a GoFundMe up and we are at seventy eight thousand dollars right now like so I'm humbled by and it's like I guess more importantly it's like over 1.3 what so 1,300 individual donors if you're like me there's nothing like hanging out on a mom-and-pop gun shop talking old guns and new equipment with somebody who really knows her stuff Steven Adler from the cult store in Abbotsford BC is one of those guys he's the kind of guy us hunters and sports can learn a lot from I'm 73 years old I've been rode hard and put away wet and I have a pretty good idea what's going on in the industry and what's going on in the industry is the industry is failing okay and we cannot afford in Canada in the economic situation that it is right now to put down another industry actually it was Friday evening when I heard about the order-in-council and I couldn't believe that they had outlawed fifteen hundred guns prohibited and made them prohibited they outlawed missiles anti-tank guns law rockets you know silencers and all these rifles that were already prohibited here in Canada then they went after everything else that they could get hoping to literally emasculate the firearms industry which they're doing a good job there's hundreds and hundreds of thousands if not million dollars of inventory that has now become prohibited and the government has made no expedited move shall we say to help this industry at all they want it to go down for us it's devastating because we've got probably one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and what was restricted products are now prohibited we can't sell them we don't have the income from them and they've taken one income stream and literally dammed it up yes wars have been fought and they've been fought by guns but the guns that the average hunter and the average collector has is not a military assault quality rifle it's someone's imagination we try and teach kids that these are weapons these are firearms for enjoyment you get enjoyment from hunting rural communities across Canada benefit greatly from our local gun shops not just for a place to shop but also for the thousands of jobs that they provide Wolverine supplies invert in Manitoba is one of those stores a second generation family business run by retired RCMP officer Matthew hip well it started off as a small homegrown business with just my parents operating and it's only grown to we are today where we have 20 employees and we're serving customers from coast to coast in various means to ensure that they have the best options and provide them with the best best products to enjoy their hobbies and shooting sports we have hundreds of thousands of dollars of inventory that we are stocked with when they made when the government made the announcement it said you know you'll be able to export it well the government obviously didn't check the regulations in the other countries because some of these products once they're exported they can't be re-imported back into those countries this is causing various people lack of sleep time to say the one and whirring above where's my employment going where is this going to take us in the weeks and months to come I look at a business that it being here for over 30 years and we've just been dealt crippling blow with no clear explanation and no real outcome as far as how this is going to make Canadian safe as a frontline police officer and so the insight on how our justice system and how the law enforcement community works and looking at the OIC today there is no indication that this is going to prevent violent crime I've been following all the press releases primarily from the RCMP because that's who I used to work from you see pictures of firearms seized their sawed-off shotguns you see charges of unauthorized possession of a firearm that means they didn't have a firearms license to begin with the legislation that are the OIC that was introduced had nothing to do with affecting people who have who did not have a firearms license during this whole ordeal no one in the government or in the media really has acknowledged that these businesses are approved and licensed by the government itself so I just like people to be reminded that these are hyper law-abiding people and they play by the rules in an industry that's safely existed since before Confederation now the rules change overnight and many of these people I mean right these hyper law-abiding people are losing everything and you don't want to still trying to figure out what exactly they did wrong what exactly did they do to deserve to be treated like this in particular this gun ban is having so many negative effects on safe legal Canadian gun owners especially when the changes came with no warning and so much confusion it's almost impossible to operate a business like that you have to wonder how long will these people be able to fight for us and what happens when they're gone Len Kushi is another hard-working small-business owner who pours his heart and soul into creating a safe place for gun owners to enjoy their sport and hobby he was right in the middle of an expensive renovation when he was blindsided by the gun ban that's affected him and made criminals out of so many of his customers we had brought staff back a couple weeks we were getting ready to open up the doors again and start selling everything on may the fourth put out notices put out advertising put out everything that we could on social media that we were going to open up on May 4th we had no idea that that was coming was gonna happen and it happened on the Friday before the weekend that everybody was looking forward to everyone's just write up that they're coming back to work things are gonna open up again and then BAM got the announcement that everything that we were getting ready to start selling on Monday was banned so over 80% of our inventory was instantly yeah you have it yeah it's all paid for find a place to put it you cannot sell it you can't shoot it you can't transport it you cannot true you can't do anything with it then they started adding to the list a week later added another 7500 different guns and then the comments are as other firearms become popular we will ban those as well so we just stopped this this sea-can currently contains everything that we can no longer sell so when they said that it's not going to affect us too much just in there alone is about seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of banned firearms that we've already paid for it effects all of the staff all of the families of all of the staff our landlord we just signed another five-year lease so we're committed so if we shut down I will lose everything because of a five year lease for a business that I anticipated staying on in operation which may not the impact stretches way beyond me so solely I'm I'm an owner of the business I have a lot invested my retirement if this goes through is finished I will work till the day I die if this if this goes in the direction that it's it's he wants it to go as far as all the staff go between 24 and 26 staff plus their families are going to be affected plus all of the part-time staff banned banned banned banned banned banned banned banned banned banned banned banned there's almost all of this is all banned now Linda Miller and captain Keith Cunningham met representing Canada as competitive sports shooters at the Commonwealth Games this married couple owns and operates Milken training center in Minden Ontario and together literally wrote the book on safe and responsible marksmanship they've trained and provided a safe shooting range for countless civilians military as well as law enforcement the changes to the Canadian gun laws threatened to destroy everything that these two have built if you talk to individual shooters you'll say that what they like best about it is that they're competing against their last personal best they are always looking to be a little bit better than they were before if they've already reached the top at their club then what they want to do is go to regional or provincial competition or as many of our shooters through here to national and international so it's it's a it's an improvement of oneself that's within your own span of control that that I think really gets most people involved in this in the shooting sport welcome to the the target butts on our 600 meter range for those who have spent any time on military ranges you'll knives that they're very much like a military range we have this big concrete mantlet here that allows us to have a person a target handler down here in the butts while the shots are going going overhead and the target handler can pull a target down can indicate with these little indicators where the shot might have landed and then run that back up again so that the shooter can see where his shot lens and when he fires his Nick shot then we're gonna bring it back down like this we're going to pull this out of that hole and put it in the new hole and then we'll run it back up again so he can see where where he shot again the thing that affected us the most from a business point of view was the fact that we lost them over a third of our business just overnight the main first we we lost over a third of our business and I can tell you that we can't afford to lose loose a third of our business in in a mom-and-pop operation like ours we do multiple different things in order to be able to for example pay for all of the range maintenance and the taxes on that property if we lose a chunk of our business we have a serious problem we absolutely must replace that cash or we face having to stop doing what we're doing we run our own programs of course our own training for police and military and that would be gone we're regarded as as the best trainers in in police sniping in Canada we train the trainer's in that particular discipline and that would be gone it would be gone the local community would lose a lot as well because all of our students that come here required lodgings food gas and and all of that would be lost as well and if you don't know anything about particular topic as a firearms then you find them you'll find them scary particularly if all you are subject 2 is the misuse of firearms the the stuff that you see on TV and what's in the media nowadays and if you don't know anything about firearms you think oh my god that's that's a horrible thing let's get rid of them why would why would we possibly need them and so the politicians have have played on that that fear to try to to buy votes and try to make try to alleviate the fear in in the unknowing masses they will they will say look what I've done for you now no you need not to be afraid because now we're getting rid of all of these bad bet farms the OSE basically said no mori ours and then the RCMP went through the firearms reference table which is the one that that tells us what category of farms sits in whether it's non restricted restricted or prohibited and the RCMP when they went through the frt started reclassifying according to the may 1st information and they went well beyond what we expected and reclassified so many rifles that most of our customers are probably out tens of thousands of dollars in equipment it's not just about the gun shops and the ranges the thousands of men and women who work in the outfitting industry in Canada have been completely devastated by the uncertainty that this announcement has created across Canada we did a report with the Canadian Federation of outfitter associations back in 2017 and that showed that the economic benefit was 2.7 billion about fitting across Canada so fairly significant economic driver across Canada it's over 20,000 people that are employed by the outfitting industry in Canada this spring has been a really interesting and difficult for a lot of my members come the end of March with the announcement of the border closure certainly a lot of anxiety around that extensions that were happening every 30 days event initially I think there were people who were optimistic that we would be able to do the spring hunts but at this point both the spring bear and spring snow boost have been lost and and still a lot of anxiety looking into the fall if I was to characterize it by one word right now it would be just a lot of uncertainty and anxiety so that was the the framework that we were operating in when the announcement was made at the beginning of May around the firearms ban and I think that that has contributed to some of the extended worry that people are feeling right now the one area where I keep getting a lot of questions is around the 10 and 12 gauge and how that is affected so there's been a little bit of talk on Twitter around what that really means and how that relates to Tennant called gauge but nothing official has come out from Government of Canada at least that I've seen and while people are already worried about covert and what that means for their clients the limitation on firearms could also be significant for people so waiting for more official information on that and and I think at this point not being able to provide people with a really clear answers has been the challenge on my end I certainly have tried to reach out for clarification it still seems a little bit vague and unable to really nail down a concrete answer so you know Twitter's not enough I would really love to be able to see something in print that's definitive that says yes or no and if the answer is no then not something that we need to be pushing back on pretty immediately if I had to summarize it's a it's a tough year already and adding one more thing that people are needing to communicate with their clients and trying to get answers on that it adds a lot of uncertainty to the mix and we really are just looking for some answers and so that people can start communicating either with your clients or with their local members Parliament [Music] as Canadian gun owners wonder will the freedom to enjoy the pastimes we love soon be gone a David versus Goliath court battle looms on many fronts and the people fighting for us will need our support this ban in my opinion unlawfully targets legal firearms owners and criminalizes everybody in our industry all of our customers are basically criminals according to you according to this move in the OIC I think it's really important that the entire firearms community be collected in its voice right now you may be a hunter you may be a sports shooter you may live in downtown Toronto you may live in rural Manitoba but this is about all of us what happens what happened in Ottawa is going to affect every single one of us and I think we need to stop thinking just about how it affects us as individuals and how it's going to affect us as a community as a whole because we have to fight this on as many levels as possible and if we let the the Liberals and the anti-gun people which are a minority run with a narrative and we don't counter it than we deserve what we get I think that if we don't win this fight it's not just going to destroy the firearm industry I think it's gonna literally affect the moral fiber of Canada because with this defeat we're giving up our freedom this is a time when businesses are trying to get back on their feet after the Kovach pandemic and here we are given this deck of cards it is blowing around in the wind so you need to support your local shops and you need to fight this fight because otherwise you're gonna have no options you're gonna have with three or four brands at that big-box store wants to carry you at the mercy of that three four brands of amyl and only the specialty ones that he wants to bring in you're gonna be at the mercy of that so fight this fight right because we'd fight it for you I mean it's the lowest hanging fruit for politicians to always try to attack the supply side so if we ban guns there won't be any guns for the criminals which is completely false what we can do is we can support the people that are fighting the fight to remember when we and then also go sign these petitions even though they don't change laws there are some petitions that like Michelle Rempel is launched it only has like two hundred and twenty thousand signatures it should have a million signatures in fact it should have to point to every PAL holder in this country should sign that petition it costs nothing sign it right so that's we do this when if you got a petition put in front of you that said we have 2.2 million signatures you're gonna pay attention to it you're gonna like maybe my PR campaign you know saying 80% of Canadians think this is a good idea doesn't hold water I sometimes I look at the firearms community and I also qualify this by saying it is my job to fight and I will fight every day but sometimes I see the firearms community or saying like oh well you know nothing's gonna change or we need you to do something more and so I'm looking at you guys today and say I need you to do more I need everybody that holds a pal in this country you don't get to be silent this time sorry you have to phone your MP if you have a pal you should be phoning your MP you're phoning a liberal MP right now and saying I am a I'm on fire I licensed firearms owner this is wrong you should be volunteering in a political campaign you should be interviewing your candidates to find out what their stance is on this issue and you should politicize it because the left is sure and the government has sure politicized this issue to their game I don't want to look at this from a political gain perspective I want to look at this as let's get public policy that keeps people safe and respects our civil liberties in Canada and nothing this government is doing gets there so this is for all the marbles the petition is important the petition shows this government that we are organized that we are not going to take this sitting down that we care about safety in Canada and that we're not gonna get let them get away with you know crass ideology that shuts down businesses that that goes after people that aren't the problem while letting the people that are the problem off the hook so yeah the petition is important if you have a pal if you do anything in this country you need to sign it you have to sign it and you more than that you have to phone the liberal MP and keep them on the phone until they listen so you keep trying don't just phone once and leave a message keep trying and it's important to phone not email and then get involved in a political campaign find a party find a candidate it upholds your voice and then get out there and get them elected because that's the only way this is going to change in the meantime we'll do everything possible in Parliament to fight them on this as far as what I'd like to say that the gun in the overall shooting community sport shooters trapshooters skeet shooters hand gun shooters three gun shooters precision rifle pellet gun BB gun what a triathlon biathlon all of those guys you're next they will if they're taking this they are not going to stop there they will continue on until they everyone has lost everything and then only the criminals will have the guns all of this seems like a lot and I know that some people are watching this and thinking well what can I do and there's an answer to that question you can contribute to the CC FRS legal trust if you can because we're taking the government to court on several claims and some of them are pretty big you can also sign all of the firearm related petitions that's actually more important than you think and if you want step-by-step instructions you can go to CC FR dot CA and click what can i do we put a list there for you and also probably the most important thing make sure that this government never gets reelected you [Music] well now you've heard our side of the story if you're still not convinced that this ban affects you look into a deeper call your local MP and get informed I urge you once again let's unite as law-abiding gun owners as hunters and as sports shooters in order to take a step towards a bright future for our sport means we have to remember our past where we came from and who we are today but get informed and make your own decision get involved and I urge you to start living your life standing up I'm your host Steve Eklund and in the meantime I'm heading to the range and then I'm off hunting with my safe and legal firearm but then again I haven't checked the list in a couple hours [Music] the gun owners that are fighting this these people are the tip of the spear and they need your help so the court action that the CCF are is involved in right now is the largest most important case in Canadian history for gun owners and after this case is over and after this next round of bans Canada won't be anything like the country that you remember it'll never be the same every farms owner should be opening their wallet and spending money buying a membership at one of the organizations and in funding some of these fights hey if you don't then you get you deserve and when they come and take away your magnum rifle don't blame us don't be surprised at what the current government is doing this is the government that brought you bill c71 and the return of the long gun registry now remember as part of that bill the exact same infrastructure as a long gun registry is being rebuilt but they're only gonna log the transfers of long guns so as a reminder this is important because I think people forget quickly the new system requires you to call the government get their approval to transfer a long gun and then there's a reference number that stays in a database forever but they say it's not a registry the only missing piece is a serial number of the firearm and I think if you think about this how long do you think it will be until they require just that last piece so all of this has to stop right now [Music] [Applause] [Music] you
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