GeForce RTX 4070 Super vs. Radeon RX 7900 GRE, GeForce Premium Worth It?

[Music] a few people have asked me now hey Steve what did you do over the Easter break and I tell them you know I just relaxed that's sort of true I suppose the real truth is I benchmarked the radon RX 1700 gr and GeForce RTX 470 super across 58 different game configurations taking an in-depth look at rasterization Ray tracing and upscaling performance so as usual there is a shipload of data to go over but before we get into it today's video is sponsored by MSI thinking of upgrading your monitor now is the perfect time thanks to MSI stunning new QD olded gaming monitors with 4K 240 HZ and 1440p 360 HZ options there's something for everyone whether that's fast-paced Competitive Gaming on the elite speed of OLED brilliant HDR gaming on these bright immersive well- calibrated displays or even creater work backed by a 3-year OLED warranty there's tons of connectivity too including KVM support I've been very impressed with the performance of these msiq oleds and I strongly recommend them as Flagship gaming monitors that will satisfy your needs for years to come find out more on msi's new range of QD OED gaming monitors via the links in the description okay so for this testing I've used MSRP models and representing the 7900 gr is gigaby gaming OC which can be had for $550 us right now now then for the RTX 470 super we have gigabyte Eagle OC and this model is also available at the MSRP so $600 us and that means Nvidia is asking just shy a 10% premium so it'll be interesting to see if the GeForce GPU is worth the extra cash for testing we're using our ryzen 7 7800x 3D test system with 32 GB of ddr5 6000 cl30 memory on the gigabyte x670 e orus Master using the latest bar so let's go take a look at what we have first up we'll take a quick look at Rainbow 6 Siege using competitive type quality settings with the medium preset here the 4070 super and 7900 jar neck and neck delivering identical performance at all three tested resolutions and performance overall was great there's just no clue winner here next we have Counter Strike 2 again tested using more competitive quality settings at 10p the results are CPU limited using the 7800 x3d but at 1440p the 7900 gr pulls ahead by a large 20% margin seen when comparing the average frame rate then at 4K that margin is extended slightly to 22% as the gr was good for 283 FPS on average one of the newest games included in this big Benchmark is Hell divers 2 and for this title I'm using the ultra preset as this isn't a competitive shooter and I think Gamers here would appreciate the higher quality visuals at 1080p the 4070 super was 19% faster then 23% faster at 1440p and a massive 37% faster at 4K so without a doubt the GeForce GPU is offering the best experience in this title moving on to Starfield we find more competitive results the GeForce GPU was just 7% faster at 1080p with similar results seen at 1440p and then identical performance at 4K so these are great results for the 7900 J as they point to it being the better value product but of course we have much more to go over next up we have Call of Duty war zone and again more competitive results the 4070 super managed to Edge out the jar at 1080p but beyond that performance was near enough to identical but if we enable upscaling with dlss for the GeForce GPU and set it to the Quality mode and then FSR for the radon GPU also set to the Quality mode we see that this gives the 47 super a slight performance advantage and 1080p the 4070 super was 8% faster 9% faster at 1440p and 11% faster at 4K so not massive margins but still with upscaling enabled the GeForce GPU did have a performance and probably visual quality advantage next up we have fortnite and we'll start with the more competitive type quality settings by using the medium preset here just a few per separates the gr and 4070 super at 1080P and 1440p the radi on GPU was slightly faster when comparing the average frame rate while the 4070 super had the edge for the 1% lows then at the 4K resolution we're looking at comparable performance but if we enable the Epic quality preset using the direct X12 mode the 47 super pools ahead offering an impressive 20% performance gain at 1080P and then 11% at 1440p before the results become nearly identical at 4K then quite surprisingly if we enable Hardware based rate tracing the results become very competitive at all three resolutions Remnant 2 appears to play best with the 7900 gr though the margins aren't huge with a mere 7% performance Advantage seing at 1080p 12% at 1440p and then 11% at 4K the extra frames at 1440p and 4K will be noticeable though so a good win here for the G that said enabling upscaling changes things and now performance is very similar at 1440p and 4K with a very slight Advantage now going the way of the 40 7 super the GeForce GPU was also 11% faster at 1080p though upscaling doesn't work nearly as well as resolution when compared to what we see at 1440p and in particular 4K Horizon forbidden West is another new game and this one has some mixed results for us at 1080p the 4070 super was able to deliver 133% more frames than the 7900 gr with an average of 117 FPS and that margin was reduced to 8% at 1440p before for flipping the other way at 4K handing the g a small 7% win but once again enabling upscaling does benefit the 470 super Mo and its limited memory bandwidth and now the GeForce GPU is seen to be 9% faster at 1080P and 1440p with an 11% Advantage at 4K essentially the 470 super saw a 38% uplift with upscaling enabled whereas the G saw just a 16% boost moving on to the Last of Us part one we find pretty competitive performance at all three tested resolutions as the 470 super was just 8% faster at 1080p 5% faster at 1440p and then 4% slower at 4K and again enabling upscaling does further advantage in videoid for this matchup as now the 4070 super is 14% faster at 1080p 8% faster at 1440p and 4K so not massive margins at the higher resolutions but better for NVIDIA when compared to the native results Boulders Gate 3 provides us with more competitive results especially at 1080P and 4K as the margin at 1440p did push out to 8% it's likely that the 17900 gr would have offered greater performance at 1080p as well had it not been limited by the CPU that said if we enable upscaling it's actually the 4070 super that performs best at 1080p though we are still quite clearly CPU limited here and this is evident by the fact that the 1080P and 1440p frame rates are very similar then at 4K the performance is identical so no real winner in this title next up we have Avatar which does enable some level of raate tracing by default but even so the 7900 gr does exceptionally well just nudging out the 4070 super by a 4% margin at 1080p 133% at 1440p and a rather substantial 26% margin is seen at 4K enabling upscaling doesn't change too much the 4070 super does end up being a mere 3% faster at 1080p but other than that the 1700 GRE is back in charge at 1440p offering 10% more performance and then 16% more at 4K the GeForce GPU has a minor performance advantage in Assassin's Creed Mirage delivering around 8% more frames the difference probably isn't big enough to be noticed though even at the 4K resolution enabling upscaling doesn't change too much here both gpus run into a hard CPU limit at 1080p while the 4070 super is FAS at 1440p and 4K by up to a 9% margin so again not huge now we're going to take a look at rization and ra tracing performance of a few titles starting with the Kalisto protocol here the 17900 GRE has a performance Advantage offering 9% better performance at 1080p 12% at 1440p and just 7% at 4K then if we enable ra tracing both gpus delivered the same performance which is a bit of a surprise there's no more than 3 FPS at 1080P and 1440p while the gr was 14% faster at 4K though performance for both gpus wasn't amazing the Resident Evil 4 results using the prioritized Graphics quality preset and neck and neck so not much more to say here really and as You' probably expect enabling rage tracing does hand the 4070 super the lead or at least it does at 1080P and 1440p actually it's really only the 1080p data that's significant here the GeForce GPU is 16% faster but by the time we hit the 1440p resolution that margin shrank to just 4% before switching around completely at 4K where the 7900 gr ended up being 11% faster granted the RT effects in this title aren't amazing but then that's true of most titles that support the technology at least at this point in time Far Cry 6 doesn't challenge these modern gpus and even at 4K we're looking at frame rates well over 60 FPS the 7900 gr was up to 7% faster which isn't a huge margin and truth be told performance overall was so strong that you're not going to notice the difference between these two products even with rate tracing enabl performance is still excellent and again the 7900 gr managed to outmuscle the 4070 super at 4K now for the rest of the games tested which includes Eight titles I've benchmarked both the rasterization rate tracing and upscaling performance and we'll start with Ratchet and Clank Rift apart these are the rasterization results using the very high quality preset and at 1080p the 4070 super is 133% faster 14% faster at 1440p and then 7% slower at 4K so again the rad on GPU is typically more powerful at 4K but this is a really bad title for AMD when it comes to ra tracing performance and we can see that here with the 470 super laying waste to the 17900 gr offering almost 80% greater performance at 1080P and then 74% more performance at 1440p the results do even up at the 4K resolution though neither GPU is able to deliver acceptable performance so the results are somewhat invalidated enabling upscaling helps the 7900 J deliver decent performance at 1440p with 56 FPS on average certainly not amazing but it's good enough for most to enjoy that said the 4070 super is still offering a massive 36% performance boost with a much more optimized 76 FPS on average next up we have Star Wars Jo Survivor and here the radon GPU has a very small performance Advantage when using the Epic quality preset which is a bit too much for 4K gaming that being the case enabling R tracing doesn't help performance but even so the results at 40 and 40p are acceptable and again there's really not that much in it ideally with ra tracing enabled you will want to turn on upscaling and doing so hands the 7900 jar a massive performance Advantage at 1080P and 1440p while the frame rates at 4K are much the same of course FSR image quality probably isn't as good as dlss at these lower resolutions but for those of you who demanded the upscaling results that's just a subjective Pitfall that you'll have to deal with now f123 has been tested using the high preset for the rasterization results and here the 7900 gr dominates delivering 24% grade of performance at 1080p 27% at 40 40p and 23% at at 4K then if we enable the ultra high preset which turns on RAD tracing the results end up being neck and neck more crucially though the frame rates are more than hared for what is an extremely minor visual upgrade so in my opinion RT effects just aren't worth it in this title again R tracing really requires the a of upscaling but again if we enable the quality upscaling modes the radon GPU becomes quite dominant delivering up to 177% better performance moving on to Fort to Motorsport we will again start with the raster results as this time it's the GeForce GPU that gets up at least at 1080P and 440p it was up to 9% faster the margin at 4K though is negligible as here the 470 super leads by just 4% now this time enabling Road tracing does hand the 470 super an advantage allowing it to render 12% more frames at 1080p 15% more at 1440p and then 11% more at 4K now as we found in the past although Forts and Motorsports supports FSR it's completely broken and by that I mean well just doesn't work and this is annoying because owners of the game have been complaining online about this issue for months now and it's still broken this also means that the 470 Supra is now 16% faster at 1080p 21% faster at 440p and 20% faster at 4K cyberp Punk 2077 Phantom Li is well optimized for both AMD and Nvidia Hardware so unsurprisingly we find similar performance when using the ultra quality preset both deliver acceptable performance at 1440p but 4K will likely require some tweaking of the quality settings or of course the use of upscaling now with the r tracing quality preset enabled the performance isn't great well it's not great with the 470 super and it's downright terrible for the 7900 gr which could only Master 38 FPS at 1080p making the GeForce GPU 61% faster so as usual upscaling is required and FSR was able to get the 7900 jar to 61 FPS on average at just 1080p making the 4070 super 66% faster the GeForce GPU also rendered 68 FPS at 440p making it 55% faster which isn't too bad okay Marvel Spider-Man remark mastered is another Well optimized title and here both GPS were able to max out the 7800x 3D at 1080p then at 1440p the jar hit the lead by a 9% margin and then just 5% at 4K it's worth noting that performance at all three tested resolutions was excellent even with rracing enabled performance was still great and also very competitive with near enough to identical results seen at 1440p in 4k and more ever the game was perfectly enjoyable at 4K with just over 80 FPS then with upscale enabled which doesn't really feel necessary on these gpus at least at 1080P and 1440p performance is again very competitive in fact we got the same 111 FPS for both products at 4K again excellent performance overall in this title now the second last game tested is Dying Light to and when using the high quality preset performance was much the same using either GPU the 7900 gr offered slightly better 1% lows but overall the experience was much the same now enabling rage tracing did favor the 470 super allowing it to deliver 12% greater performance at 1080p 14% at 1440p and 18% at 4K that said at 1440p and 1080p where frame rates were acceptable the radon GPU offered a good enough experience then with upscaling enabled we're able to achieve 60 FPS or more at 4K and again while while the 470 super was 11% faster here he could still happily play using the 7900 gr finally we have Hogwarts Legacy and at 1080P and 1440p the results are very similar the 470 super delivered better 1% lows at 1080p but the 17900 GRE was a bit more powerful at 4K enabling raid tracing didn't the 17900 gr and although the GeForce GPU was faster we're only talking about a 5% Advantage at 1080P and 10% at 4 40p while performance at 4K is pretty broken for both models upscaling helped a lot at 4K but even so the frame Time Performance was still very poor leading to a less than Stellar experience then at 1080P and 1440p both gpus were CPU limited to around 70 FPS okay now it's time to go over the average results and we'll start with the rasterization data which covers 25 games at 1080p the 7900 G was on average 8% slower than 4070 super so in other words performance was even overall the jar was strong in f123 while it was slower by double digits in Horizon forbidden West Ratchet and Clank hell divers 2 and fortnite using the Epic quality settings then at 1440p the 7900 GRE was 2% faster on average so again performance overall was pretty even the radi on GPU did well once again in f123 but also counter- strike too with a 20% margin now at the 4K resolution the gr was 6% faster on average with the only poor results seen in Hell divers 2 other than that the radi on GPU was pretty dominant at this higher resolution now if we quickly look at the rasterized results with upscaling enabled we see the GRE was 7% slower on average at 1080p but we are looking at a smaller sample of games so out of interest if we look at the same sample of games without upscaling the jar was just 3% slower so the RTX 470 super did Fair better at 1080p with upscaling enabled looking at upscaling at 1440p we see that the GRE was just 3% s on average so pretty close results there but if we look at the same set of games at 1440p without upscaling the jar was actually 2% faster so again the GeForce GPU is benefiting more from upscaling then at 4K the J is again 3% slower ironically finding its only win in Avatar and that's quite different to the 6% win it would have had with upscaling enabled okay so now let's check out the rate tracing results starting with the 1080p data overall the 7900 J was just 14% slower on average but the margins on a per game basis are pretty large and all the big margins were well in favor of the 47 super seen in cyberp Punk 2077 Ratchet and Clank and Allen wake 2 the only other game where I believe the RT effects are fairly significant at least out of this list of games would be fortnite though it's not the style of game to Showcase such a technology as it's best played on Lower quality settings that is assuming you want to do well and possibly get some wins outside of bot lobbies anyway most of these games such as f123 and Resident Evil 4 are the worst examples of rate tracing effects they don't really look that much different with rate tracing enabled it just tanks the frame rate but again this is true of most games that support ra tracing there really are very few good examples just up to 1440p we find the 7900 jar was 133% slower on average and again it's those key titles in Ratchet and Clank cyberp Punk and Allen wake 2 where the radio on GPU is significantly slower and was really only usable at 1080p at least without upscaling there are a few examples where frame rates hit acceptable levels at 4K with r tracing enabled and Hogwarts Legacy Allen wake 2 and cyber Punk 2077 certainly weren't examples of that overall the gr was 9% slow here but given the low frame rates for the most part this data is a bit meaningless okay so with upscaling enabled for the r tracing data we see that on average the 1700 jar was 14% slower at 10p but again there are a number of examples where it was slower by a 20% margin and there are three examples where the margin blew out to 40% then at 1440p we found the jar was 12% slow and average but for a number of these titles performance even with upscaling was unacceptable on the radi on GPU finally at the 4K resolution raid tracing performance even with the ad of upscaling wasn't really a thing the 4070 super for example average just 35 FPS in cyber Punk 21 FPS in Allen wake 2 and 41 FPS in Ratchet and Clank okay that really was a lot of data and I'm sure I lost a few of you along the way but for those of you who made it without skipping to this point of the video by the video index well done I appreciate you now the question is which one of these gpus should you buy and why starting with the rasterization performance as we saw there's really not a lot in it overall performance was much the same at 1080P and 1440p with a 6% Advantage going the way of the 7900 GRE at 4K which is nice given it's 9% cheaper and packs some extra vram so if you primarily care about rasterization performance and the J happens to stand up well in the games that you're currently playing it would be the better value option that said complicating things a little bit is upscaling and if you're prone to employing upscaling then the 47 year super will close in on the Jarry for these rasterization titles and should do so with slightly better visual quality based on our recent investigations into dlss versus FSR image quality then of course there's Ray tracing and our opinions here haven't really changed since the introduction of the current generation gpus that is to say if you care about ra tracing performance you'd be best off ignoring radio and gpus altogether at this point in time but opinions aside the GeForce RTX 470 super was clearly Superior in titles that are known to best showcase the R Racing technology such as Allen wake 2 and cyber Punk taking the 4070 super as an example though in order to play these tots at 1440p using raid tracing you will require upscaling and even then performance isn't always great Allen W 2 played at just 42 FPS which I guess you could argue is enough for that title but it still felt a bit janky to me Cyber Punk was much better at 68 FPS certainly not amazing and I'd personally rather play with rate racing effects dialed down a bit for north of 100 FPS if that's possible but if you're a single player visual buff then it might be fine Ratchet and Clank was quite good at 76 FPS and I'd say for that particular title that's a good enough frame rate outside of those titles though I'm not really sure how many rracing enabled games there are where it's worth enabling the technology we really do need to invest some time into an industrywide investigation to determine just how many titles actually offer worthwhile rate tracing effects the list of rate tracing supported games is now pretty massive but in my experience it really does seem as though maybe 80% or possibly even more of what I've tested just shouldn't bother offering the option as all it does is smash your frame rate with no noticeable visual Improvement but maybe I'm wrong here and this is why I want to spend a good amount of time this year analyzing what's on offer as a side note I often see viewers commenting that they would purchase the GeForce GPU as its rate tracing support makes it more future proof but that's simply not true instead buy the 470 super to play what's on offer now not what might be on offer in a few years because chances are it won't be powerful enough to play those titles with any significant degree of RT effects enabled for example the usefulness of an RTX 2060 super in today's best RT titles is questionable and while I'm sure there are those that'll argue that with the right settings it works there's no denying it's a highly compromised experience and you've got to be pretty comfortable with 30fps gaming so how much value should Gamers place on rate racing today 5 years after the release of the GeForce 20 Series in my opinion it's quite hard to say and I think that in itself is a big problem but to simplify the issue if rat tracing support is important to you at this point in time just buy GeForce GPU now the only other noteworthy consideration in this matchup is vram capacity the 4070 super comes with just 12 GB for $600 which is very weak in my opinion at minimum it should have been armed with 16 gabt like the 7900 J but how important this will be moving forward is difficult to say it's likely to become a Factor if you're buying today in the hope of keeping it for the next 3 to 4 years and I know that's a future proofing angle but as we've just seen with 4 GB versus 8 GB of vram you can certainly utilize larger vram buffers with weaker gpus but the same won't be true for things like rad tracing as a side note if you care about power consumption the 4070 super is generally more power efficient reducing total system usage by as much as 50 Watts when gaming which was a 133% power saving in our test system when playing Spider-Man though the jar was also 9% faster that said it also increased total system power usage by 11% in Hitman 3 and was 8% slower so the GeForce GPU was certainly more power efficient it's just not a significant factor in my opinion of course you can Tinker with both models either overclocking or undervolting and in my experience the 7900 jar responds the best to either method so if you are going to fine-tune your graphics card you might find even more value with the rad on GPU finally I should probably just touch on frame generation as I didn't test the technology in this video is it really doesn't belong on Benchmark graphs it's a frame smoothing technology not an FPS boosting technology it has been poorly marketed by both Nvidia and AMD to purposely mislead Gamers both companies now support frame generation we do believe that at present Nvidia offers the superior version so that is to say Nvidia currently has the best frame smoothing technology at the end of the day it's my opinion the 17900 J isn't super compelling for just $50 off it's an 8% discount for similar rasterization performance much worse RT performance and tiles where we think it counts inferior upscaling technology and weaker power efficiency the only real ticks other than the $50 discount are the slightly better 4K results for rasterization performance and the extra 4 gab of vram the point is you could really go either way an amd's market share doesn't really put them in a position where they can afford for potential buyers to just go with the popular option in any case you should have all the information you need to make an informed purchase and if that is indeed the case then feel free to give the video a like it was a lot of work subscribe for more content and if you'd like to become a harbor unboxed member you can get access to some 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Published: Sat Apr 06 2024