Gary Zimmer - "Biological Farming & Livestock Production" - Biological Farming Conference 2018

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I guess I'll do better if I'm not tethered so a couple of things I first got to say that I travel the world and I speak all over you are the rowdiest bunch I ever get the funnel and I remain here yet tonight just humming out there if you take a break you can't hear yourself think it's got you know I don't know what that's about and then the other thing is I'm at the last gentleman talking about ten year rotations at my age you don't think in ten year old issue taking two year rotations come on I've been around for almost three quarters of a century you know you got to think about that so ten years really no I I evaluate projects differently by the way leave me my age you really have to focus on something else and and that is that I'm a health food kind of an octonaut that I don't travel the world need everything weird things and and so I I finally found a doctor that I could go to I go out to Colorado I said it's a three-hour flight my sister lives in Colorado it's an east/west clinic kind of a doctor guy so if you go to a doctor you said I'm here to interview you to see if you're if I want to use you as my doctor now they don't usually like that and this guy was pretty good at it it varies anything really interesting conversations I self you don't tell me what goes in my body I decide that I just want your consulting advice I don't want your opinion I just don't I just wanted to be wide and open so it's kind of interesting so I do uh he said is I'm the first guy my age you wonder what my eyes tested like as I've never haven't checked he's all about years I've never had unchecked and he said no and that's why I didn't say I could see or hear I just never had them jack just like soil testing or plant testing I kind of had to drag that out of ways so the title here really is Bobby not what it amounts to is that done I have been involved in this since the 1960s actually I was a went to graduate school in Hawaii and I got introduced at that time in 1960s I started a project in Hawaii as a dairy I'm a dairy nutritionist about feeding pineapple byproducts the dairy cows and they started to abort in insecticides they used and the pineapple for causing the cows to abort and I just spent nine years at the University and I said whoa wait a minute people are eating pineapples yeah but they don't eat that much they said oh I said yeah but what about everything you put in your mouth so I got introduced to chemistry back then as I shut the dairy industry and Hawaii down for six months this that chemicals accumulate in fats and those cows have lose all that weight they kept right on the boarding and we had terrible troubles so I have a little star bowl in headlines 1971 dairy industry in Hawaii threatened that was my graduate work so now I'm back in Hawaii the last two dairy farms know why they're 135 them at that time today there's two left now the honolulu star board said a while ago hawaii dairy nutrition graduate to be managing the last two farms no i ever been there for 25 years involved at the project so i'm a dairy nutritionist and so I got into soils to create better feed for dairy cows in the 1970s I was teaching at a Technical College in Minnesota and I had to teach soils agronomy farm finance I write books on soils but I'm trained as a dairy nutritionist I'm self-taught in soils so I saw ice I had no bad habits um when I learned in school from soils I did that was all on my own getting nutrition you'll see if there's a lot of similar ground in that so back then I had outside speakers come in and that's how I got introduced kind of to soils and what saws work as I had to teach classes in soils so being an educator I started business and a night early 80s exercise several times in my career I said I was over educating that undertrained I was on my path to get my PhD and then I had troubles with those cows and I had some other projects and graduate school just didn't make sense so I said I gotta go do this stuff I need a farm and because I'm gonna been an educator my whole life and you know tech school I'm not really I could have a business in biological farming we started in the early 80s and and so that's we called it biological farming in the early 80s and a lot of people say they call me the father of biological farming because I coined that term is I wanted the farmer to focus on the biology not the chemistry this is in 1980 some people said oh I need more yet then I said yeah but someone's that Menace at a long time and someone who was your teacher I said books there was nobody out here doing this back then there was some pretty old smart people way back in a century or so ago they weren't all dumb as you think some of these people are and I read and studied them all so anyway this is my latest book that came out a year ago I said no anything hasn't changed there's me I'm still about the same as I was the first book first book came out in 2000 and then that time there wasn't even a GMOs we've been taught about genetic modified plants there's much one chemistry is one biology and composting and and all those kind of things in the new book first book was 360 some pages and if you read a page they'd have a couple days off now it's 500 I took several chapters out but since the first book has been ripped around the planet so I write like I talked and it's kind of I can't type so I have to handwrite them so I just kind of interested my daughter Leilani she she's got Hawaiian name cuz that's where she was she was made in Hawaii but delivered in Wisconsin so anyway you understand that really well okay so anyway I called the biological farming and so it's really uh that's what gives me all over the planet and as I mentioned earlier I was in business for quite a few years and then our whole goal was originally started out working right with dairy farms I took our company deserves the credit take dairy nutrition to the soils I spent nine years at that University and never once asked the farmer or anybody how they grew the food whatever feed guess we'd have we would then put in a little computer even back then and we'd add what's short and forgot too much we glued it down I never once said I don't like your feet I want to change it until I started getting got involved in this noise teaching at the tech school I said oh my gosh but what ideal feed for a dairy cow looked like if we were gonna make it so when I started business we had all had ten dairy nutrition consultants and we started working we had 400 farms they're all dairy and so then after that I wrapped my school and my brother-in-law said well now what year later I said I'll never put myself in a box again as to what my limits are I will now want to work at changing agriculture in the world and that's part of why I traveled the world I can't do business all over the world I got partners in South Africa at all I got a huge factor can Eastern Europe going on right now a couple hundred thousand acres that is in switching to biological and they're also talking about going to organically 200 thousand acres in Eastern Europe so I was over there last fall and they got American partners and so I got involved so then that's also so I want to change their coaching the wool that's why I had to write a book and I said I have to have a farm because I can stand here and talk all day long I don't do this myself I don't have the ability now I've bought a farm in 1991 and my son was 13 years old when he was 16 years old the farm came up for sale across the OB said I want to buy and I want a milk cow 16 years old you can't be serious he was I didn't buy the farm under the promise that he'd go on to school and we were buying land for a thousand dollars an acre I said my son's a wealthiest man I know he owns five farms day before him for a thousand dollars an acre now there were $10,000 an acre so you doing well they like he said if I cash in what would he do then so out of pique organic farm we went organic on day one he was 1% debt financed I couldn't take that roller coaster now organic has its ups and downs too we didn't know he set marquees and we are a dairy farmer in the hills of southwestern Wisconsin anybody been to Wisconsin not do any few yeah Ben descanse n' i had field days the third Tuesday August on our farm for 25 years I never once dreamed that mister third Tuesday in August I quit anyway we have a dairy my daughter now runs a dairy herd and my son does the crops we milk about a hundred eighty cows and farm about fifteen hundred acres I just wish that old cow right there we're talking about cows and things if you're into dairy cows she was 17 years old before she checked out and then gravity got her her other got pulled closer to the earth and she got mastitis but anyway she was 17 years old and he had a lot of babies on their farm when she was classified excellent as of last April first we took all the grain away from the cows now we're a hundred percent for dairy farm I think if people a to milk house in for just there was nobody allergic to milk when I was a kid I know what happened and then what went wrong I don't know but I know one thing that people I want more for testing milk out here the organic community including the one in Europe I work with that on school group they shipped milk to America in England and if they start testing the milk you'll find out that all fours you know just like all grass-fed beef it's got different fatty acid profile it's got a hold of the milk is totally different of our all for its cows and I'm not saying we get as much milk but I like doing things that are difficult so I actually want to work at trying to come up with a better way of having cows produce more milk we can keep them healthy we can't get the production on all four inches so then I spent my career in the speed test right here and I'm not going to go through this whole thing that's about good as the feed testers you're ever gonna find out a piece of paper now we do this is our report cut our salt just is our project now be testing your speed testing and there's lots of variables involved in it but not only is it high in digestibility and as a high quality it's got the right nitrogen to solve for ratio but we're dairy people at the mineral levels so I tell people I'll bring this up a little bit later here first of all it's like everything else we're talking about health normal alfalfa has about two and a half percent fat this is for plants and no different than I mean animals miss feeling really good and is doing really well it puts on more fat why wouldn't it that's energy from you do it all for tonight you'd want to have to pay attention at the mineral levels of the environment calcium has got some grass in it so that's not it's hard to measure but phosphorus we're taught by all talk about mycorrhizae phosphorus and all these things this morning Joel was managing that stuff I said what's the best measure of it soil structure could be a good measure how about phosphorus uptake if I double the phosphorous uptake I can't do chemistry if I can double it that means the guy that by sponsors and comes on this land he can't double it your farmer daughter right now on your conventional and you're buying commercial phosphorus double your foster self taking your crap I want to see you do it you're not gonna get there from chemistry I don't know how much money you got okay how much you dump on the land you're not gonna take up anymore you want a way to get Morris to biology that's double the average like we have not supplemented that accounts for phosphorus for now for ten years and so some of these numbers on the magnesium is really high you can't get that really high either because if you get high potassium your magnesium goes down so this whole thing about yes they are just another way your manganese see my my dad always fed hopes the cattle to get more manganese that's really a help if you look at our salt test that says we're really low on manganese but my feet that's they are really high if you just took your salt test you've got my manias that'd be a terrible mistake we that's double the main in these levels and the other thing if you looked at my farm if you really honestly wanted to follow this feed test that useless as a tissue test we're really low in sodium and chloride salt I should be dumping salt on the land but gosh I got enough things to explain without putting start putting salt off and they got explain why I'm putting salt out there but we've forced feed four ounces of salt the cows a day and they free choice another for so that's just unusual good for you we know yourself too religious we don't have any salt we need salt so I want to go through this whole thing seen on the dairy nutritionist and August came about these two systems are almost identical and I'm the one that kind of brought that kind of force so back we go back forty years ago how do we feed cows Oh some dry hay made about the fourth of July some cob corn some dye count some trace mineral salt we have about forty pounds of milk how do we feed them today oh we got tmr's who mix everything together because the bugs that live on corn don't live on hey we want to get maximum efficiency we got bypass proteins chelated taste for those probiotics and lack salts seven or eight different commodities list goes on and on and we doubled our milk production in the last 40 years now you know be careful cuz a lot of guys killed the cow is doing it you can push them over the edge so here's what's happening in the world today I spoke at Cambridge University a couple years ago to think tank group and sustainability first I got up and said I don't like the word sustainable why would you want to sustain a mess can we fix it that didn't go over well I've had a sustainable AG conference the second thing as I said I told the researchers or researchers ridiculous I said you're worried about feeding all these millions of people first of all people that need food can't afford it they're gonna shoot one another anyway yeah I got a really bad stock now you tell you that much and I said that the professors your research is useless because you all got a different base you're gonna hear it from me today we're in a new century we have now got soils figured out as best I've ever seen in my life we understand chemistry Joel went through some Wednesday we understand biology and we understand the physical properties so every researcher should have the same base and then an only manases research of any value I'm Eddie Cambridge University telling my story yet so I didn't go over real well either but the truth of the matter is there you be sure to be is useless because they're doing research on i I've gotten that was in Ohio last weekend a bunch of it was a organic conference know some how much university researchers here never grabbed do research on calcium and magnesium to figure out these ratios really make a difference I said come on we don't just farm to get a perfect look and Psaltis what we're already doing calcium magnesium phosphorus is too low to make any difference you can't how do you do research nests we do the whole system I think said we can't have all those variables there's no no one variable your system against mine that's the only variable there is and then they roll back and I said well you can't do that massager Kevin why wouldn't we do research that way so what was this like 40 years ago and became languor 650s what's different nothing and we have now the capability of doubling heels we have that capability what so uh I have some corn on our farm maize or corn you guys call it corn or maize maize Lucerne or alfalfa sir so we got maize Alissa okay I'll get it I'll get it make it up where I am and so so anyway well I was going with that at the corner we had a field on our farm that made eight tons per acre of maize grain this is comparative it was a seat it was a variety trial from the genetics from the 1990s it was a it was double the yield that the seat corn farm said if somebody now has grown over 12 tons of maize shale corn per acre in our state averages are probably around five so we get more than double ma you gotta be careful you can do that you can buy your production - I just what I'm gonna get at so right now look at all the things we can do this song aren't we gonna do the same what are they talking about oh we gotta have a cocktail mix these new systems almost here we balanced energy to protein over there we balanced nitrogen to carbon over here we beat them and over here we residues and cover crops back in the soil we just don't video boy I got a seven way or nine way cocktail mix what did I say we've been six or seven commodities over here but the minerals these guys feed a pound of mineral colonnade bypass vote these different types of mineral bypass chelated trace minerals and they got regular trace rows and you got all different kinds of methods we don't just deliver one kind of mineral so I didn't look at what's gonna happen over here it's the same man has already been done over here so figured out see I got involved in this I just use this as an example this is this is not a small study and we can't repeat it cuz I was telling the guys that lunch one of the big damaging things of the last century was they had we had a feed test of us in flaw dan Kip Turk I know him quite well he was one of our training consultants a guy upstairs speaking and you got this little piece of equipment about to measure nutrient density and food I'm scared cuz that dumb thing we had a big test that was in flaw you know what the feed essence flaw did it took grasses out of alfalfa the last the first time I came to Ireland is Northern Ireland on a seed buying trip 20 years ago we don't grow grasses in America because it we got to be pure elf elf because the feet just discriminate against grass so the farmers took it out of there hey now they're putting it back and the farmers just gonna take them three generations to figure out that it's the professor's want it back in again they got a new feet just but technology's never build own toys keep up the technology so this is 20,000 feet samples these are 20,000 conventional samples and these are 300 good biological farms and you were taught that your pH is fine you get all the calcium you can have we both have the same pH but I got 47% more calcium that's why I came up with the phrase calcium it's a trucker of all minerals and boron's a steering wheel now they say silica is the road and sulfur is the key switch I don't know so your pH being fine you don't get many more Towson calcium's king of this show now seems king of the show not just him a a pretty looking salt test but having it exchangeable there's another word digestibility and exchange about the stuff that we're gonna use those dairy farmers look at phosphorus that's the hardest mineral you ever get into a plant magnesium that went up easy because we didn't put any potash on than they did but we got more potassium than they did we're not the ones that bought it cuz we have a huge reserve and thus I did my graduate work on sulfur so sulfur is easy to get into a plant but I can change feed so what would it look like that's pretty impressive looking feed so I know you know how many dairy farmers are even in you let's start there somebody better raise your hand well thank you some hands I come to America boy oh boy oh boy we got rid of 500 in the state of Wisconsin this last year the years not over more they're dropping like flies and we get these big farms out here they get bigger and bigger and bigger that's why the organic movements real in America we import 56% of our organic food there's not growing in North America and the consumer is nervous because they there's such a variation between a family farm and a mega farm it's huge guys do I want a summer tan take a vacation and get a gas mask before you start up cuz you're gonna need it because you can't breathe you go miles and miles where there's just no fresh air and i'll picture yourself being an animal in the feedlot reading I don't care you guys are dairy people now I don't care if you're growing vegetables grain whatever you're doing if you're taking a tissue test you get that thing really high and those four Mendel's it'll be the highest quality best-looking things to I go after instead of coming up with a magical test that measures nutritional density why not come up with indicators if your calcium is really high you had to do something besides get the right pH first of all you probably also had to use boron because they go together so calcium just isn't magic we put on the other thing is if you're a conventional farmer and you're putting on chloride salt fertilizers and you're putting on excess nitrogen you're forming calcium chloride and calcium they pinioned you're not gonna get calcium uptake see there's an exchangeable calcium there's a reserve calcium so you're gonna do a calcium is easy to get rid of so if you've got high calcium if your plants are hitting really up high calcium I can tell you how you find I don't even need to be here what about phosphorus how this mean don't ever get in a plant if I go to your place and you've doubled the Fosters you have to have mycorrhizae you have to have biology because you can't get the two chemistry and so phosphorus is another indicator so whatever feed I I went to a conference on Idaho and a guy here they got 9 pH of eight and a half nine pH is really high pages and then fosters is almost impossible to get into a plant because it ties up so fast in the soil and those high pH is you have a hard time with mycorrhizae surviving and I went to a smarm and the enemy a a test on potatoes no potato I do a lot of working potatoes they didn't say that I'm not an expert at I claimed not to be one anyway I looked at and I said what are you doing and he said why and I said cuz you've got the highest phosphorus I've ever seen recorded on a potato in the state of Idaho and he said you'd come out to my farm next summer I'll show you and I drove out there I did learn some really interesting things he was eccentric but he didn't want anybody to know people laughed at it I asked quality see if it is in the state of Idaho he grows so anyway he had really high phosphorus now if your pH s are really high or really low it's extremely difficult so now if you've got that really high don't if you're growing wheat or whatever you doing go after that thing that tells you something that's it really that's a really good ending and magnesium's another one because he's got too much potassium magnesium is hard to get in a plant and someone said well I did my graduate work and solve for this so why don't you have sulphur so because you can't get magnesium without sulphur 20 of more magnesium uptick you put on sulfur and make up some salts magnesium sulfate when you get more magnesium you gotta use sulfur so if you're not using software you can't get more magnesium updated if you're putting on commercial potash you're not gonna get magnesium I pick so those are really wonderful indicators of quality then the boron I have up here because borns highly leachable on boron sugar translocation its pollination that's energy and it also has to do with getting calcium into the plant so there's a little bit things about our farm and some we're talking about see I've got a have controversy I wouldn't do any good what can we wear all the way over it up in a little controversy see I'm not really big into no tell no tales the method of planting not a method of farming it's like putting the feet on the other side defense for your livestock it's standing up here I've sent her down there so now why well you know you're not gonna feed him wouldn't it be just torture than your cattle if you left the feed on the other side the fence put the electric fence up and not let me have it so the feed standing up here you think the low back you're gonna jump by the soul and suck it down are you serious so I'm a real believer in shallow incorporating residues now what's shallow see that this was a canning factory green bean crop that they passed up on the Harris Planum to earlier we cook were at the canning factory so it was just a mostly a weed patch and so we actually get tillage equipment from around the world I've sold a lot of limpkin dis comes out of Germany in America oh gosh I started him and I probably got 100 man I know already been sold I never got a penny I got a coat for last Christmas Lemkin did really well lemons now bought a collimator company this purpose is no longer work they didn't get a for Ganic farmers they're gonna build color fighters for conventional farmers you can spray ten times more chemicals they use display and you can't some weeds you're not gonna kill him so anyway I'm taking that down and see on showers a lot of residues on top how would you find that and so if you look at it some things I'll talk about regenerative some of the things obvious I got to manage that cover crop somehow so we shall incorporate we waited a little bit while we put some more back in then we put another cover crop in here and just like this here you see you're gonna see some of my methods of farming see if you're going to organic you got thirty six months before you're certified since the last prohibited substance that's two growing seasons you say those two growing seasons we do not sell anything off our fine we just do soil building and we're title Germans so the cheapest thing you can put out there's Oaks and clover and alfalfa so we plan oats under seeded with clover and alfalfa maybe some grasses come back in there and someone say go how come put on any weight cocktail mix I took off some yellow peas this year we just drill it nothing but clover and radish because we got weeds and other things have a girl volunteer coat oats comes back and so we get our cocktail mixer not having to buy it because we're organic you think about that weeds well I do they have to be can I use a Brassica weed so anyway this here that we might combine oats because I had to feed some people wanting somewhere else other ones who work that back right back into the soil and you can see the following spring it looks like this and so then everything that covertly alfalfa comes back up now what I'm gonna talk to you about is you see we do this for two years in the end of two years you will not recognize the soil I started with if I set you out there beginning and you're back two years or you said this can't be the same theater than two years see the cost is not on the earth the quest is between your ears that's six inches of crust is what's really giving you and so it's about the thinking so notice to what them is how can you afford to do that we got 300 acres in transition right now no income for two years that's farm 1500 that'll be 15 the next year it's organic and like this field here then what's corns you know we're actually taking instead of we don't make me make money on corn maize is our big crop alfalfa Lucerne we make my name you do soybeans and we do Stu odds and ends but yellow peas might do alright once in a while Kenny back to grass once in a while so we're gonna lose money on a crop we'd rather not make any money at all and turn it into a soul building here what's wrong with my rotation and I'll show you some pictures here of a potato farmer he's gonna be speaking at a press conference in USA if anybody goes that conference ever this year one year soil building one year potatoes when you're so budding when your potatoes you're the other farmer push players every four years he's every other year same thing here this year was a much of a crop so why not just take a year off and build soils that's our approach this is a be a certified organic next year and you can see that's got the brown in there the pictures aren't real clear the lights kind of I don't they were down but that's the same way so then we'll work that back in the ground or next spring when that comes back up this will be next year being to organic you gots do two years of solving and so will grow maize on first year this will be seed corn who net $2,000 maker first year of organic make any money for two years we make it all back up into yeah otherwise people continue to farm what they've been doing and when it's organic they've already have a fixer soft haven't got it better and they have now they've been growing nonprofit crops in the process I had a young lady from the Czech Republic over for 90 days that's the Eastern Europe group in training and we saw several this farm I should have taken more pictures this is one we just took on this last year and this is after one this is just taking a little while ago after one dose of cover crops we went around in a spring with a shovel she was with me and looking at saw structures our first-year farming yet we couldn't find the work and now this fall I had a bunch of people out there tipped over one shovel accountants and manage 20 worms in one shovel and it wasn't a single one we could find this spring Whitney come from Wade old say bought or are they sitting around waiting for the right opportunity to flourish now having said that you can see that how we would take these down you see we feed our soil if I'm gonna get any message across today if you're not a dairy person become one we feed our soil like we feed cows if you're growing a legume we feel it like you feed a dry cow if you're gonna go oh you're gonna go a small grain wheat or you're gonna go maize you feed it like a cow giving a hundred pounds of milk if you're gonna feed the soil this see what's known about biology and Jo and all these numbers and all those things is known about by understood about biology I don't know anything about my home I never measured biology it's impossible they discovered for new anima antibiotics coming out this alright now did you know that you know how they do it but not taking a soil sample there's a minute hits air it completely changes let me give it to the lab a so different testing the already start with and if it changes you before or after a raid before I put my cover crop in the ground or after when do you want to do is my soil biology test I can do it every day of the year just like a water cycle chest and they change so I don't have to really really do that out here it's all I have to look at I figured out something by accident Hawker cooker and you listen to the right people that what you feed them is based on who you get as teri people know that the bugs that live on corn don't live on hey that's why we got a TM I mix them all together otherwise the bugs that live on corn gotta do you see it's easy to eat corns hearty hey you chew on him for a while see how well you do so if you're gonna take that and put that back in the saw like you're doing what do you think we're gonna grow a maize crop it's gonna because now we're gonna give it tons of soluble nutrients I mentioned I saw someone mention nitrous oxide they're gonna measure 9 - I'm scared you see cuz we had we had an eight ton maize crop an acre and they want to come on - nitrous oxide Studies on my farmer I refused to let him do it because we did soil test and I measured what's going back in the saw we started the growing season with over 300 units a.m. per acre on an organic farm and we don't buy a single pound if I imagine I'm worried about it's not purchased nitrogen but its nitrogen that we have on the farm that we cool or we get it through biology because we don't know how when you feed that to the soil you're feeding bacteria and back - you got a real high nitrogen to carbon ratio so they're just loaded and they get the Menem somewhere so I actually went he was ago Jerry Hatfield's the Ames Iowa USDA researcher and he's him and Christine Jones out of Australia the only two people that I've ever got to the agreement that I drew six grass crops in a row six because and Powell's were grazing on in between you could not even see where a cow pie fell there was bright green after six grass crops in Orissa can I quit now I want to change this rotation I said they said first use that while you're scrounging the nitrogen that's left over now six grams cups of the roll I'm sorry you spelled ahead to end somewhere along how much more can I keep scalding I was growing the nitrogen here's what they didn't understand and I was doing it through grass because grass young succulent plants to give 100 pounds of milk don't have to be lucerne a lot of you guys go rye grass I can take that same rye grass it'll feed the same bacteria as long as it's highly digestible I'm young and succulent and it's the same thing as a car would get 100 pounds milk that's my son up it shows up well that's a rye and we had them more could we didn't have a limpkin at the time now we could go right to it and the riots this tall and it's all headed out you would people say all going to get that right really big and then go plant some go plant some corn and cuz it's it's funko food once it gets Matt or it doesn't bacterium takes its oil i beets first so we've learned through management how to manipulate biology we're not knowing what biology it is figure that all come on this one of our main crops on our farm I just wanted to show you it's just quite different these up like this is irrigated yeah and I didn't even last year we get double the rainfall normal we had ten inches of rain in one day never seen it before like that in my life well you couldn't build boats fast enough this corn I have put in a pivot system in and the guy that sold me the irrigation rate stopped and he said I said you didn't tell me he said I'm afraid you're gonna roll my Rick irrigation rigs over the corn was we had buried the irrigation sewer under corn maze it grown taller so we interceded it come on came up but it didn't really work either city works for conventional farmers on maize does not work for organic farmers number one we plant later and number two we color bait all the way up to the corners in the eye if you're gonna put a companion crop in maize see I will do it on our own we'll do it on our week we bulks but it like when are we and I ride will bulk spread clover in the springtime on frozen ground then then we've interceded into the crop that's already got a head start here tiny industry then we got a cocktail mix in there why wasn't worth leaving because this corn really shades it out and Tama we we have water there's a lot of times it gets dry time we get our cover crop planted it's the middle of June by then it might be in the middle of a drought but we have water on this field we still couldn't get him the girl that helps so then we also do ride now we don't drive real straight but I'll say that this farmers in transition and it's kind of interesting I took this farm here and we go ride for our own seat where I seat is in pretty good demand cuz a lot of guys are looking at cover crops now and and the transition this one here we did grow rye in transition I got I bought this farm was one of those farms that I bought a midnight special and it's right across the road from a big project Frank Lloyd Wright school of architect a lesson if you're familiar in architectural world we rent that farm and I'm on the board there and we're starting agritourism right now and I bought this farm across Seward but conservation easements on it and the guys have been running it quick growing soybeans and started growing corn on corn on corn and then I got back to PHS or down to five so guess what we planted blueberries I'm leaving some of that land acid for a real good reason we had the only blueberry farm the government subsidized liming for 50 years in a mold man I bought it from you 19 years old before it passed away he must have never tapped in the government progress we don't we don't need it we don't farm the government so I was all showing you this right here see now the other thing is this what you can tell afar you come to my farm and someone says you go out and you dig around and you'll see there's a really interesting story look at that someone's my gosh our neighbors stop innocent ha you can't do that alfalfa Oh we run a real tight location one year hey the seeding year only on our good flatland we see it in the spring with winter wheat as a nurse crap because we're in a wheat plant in the spring when I get so tall in our country in a stop scouring the summer he takes it out and then so we got and then we got four cuttings of hay that year next spring only Lucerne gives that talk we turn it back in a garden plant corn so every so oh my gosh that's really imagine etics you can buy two we don't buy cheap seed because that's my fertilizer that's my corn crop that's my doing a bushel corn cup you're looking at so now then I tell people earlier you saw I talked to I showed your earthworms Odia Kashiwa quite oats we had this complex crop Terry Reeves anybody who carry reams was ever read carry reams years ago he says ahead Bobby is that Kerry Reeves was in the biological farming each one of this I studied this stuff back from the forties a hundred years ago anyway carrier users they're more into energies and frequencies he was a medical doctor out of Florida but anyway he said if your sock Lyman's really active and really working well you won't have very many earthworms you know what well we used to have six hunt we had three cows that's 600 acres week chopped all the straw went for betting all the corn stocks all the main stocks got taken home for betting is red cattle everywhere we left nothing complex out in the field we have made five cuttings a year intensive managers and I didn't see any returns already the minute we started leaving all the corn stocks out there about five years ago four years ago now and we started leaving all the straw out there I found to buy something we're gonna buy strong now we have to use organics dry in America you guys can cheat in this country if you're gonna sell to American get away until I did it stopped cows eat straw come on let's get serious how could you look to I can use conventional stir guys in England use conventional straw and I'm trying to get a stop cuz they're shipping milk to America competitions are always good for us that keeps everybody just a little bit honest so anyway because this is I worked that back in the ground if I fed that to a cow it completely goes squirting out the back in about three hours I put that back in the soil and you come to my farm a week later you will not know what that crap was it's already digested every since all life eats first and the bacteria gonna chew that right up really fast it's highly digestible so you got to get the word digestibility in your sentence if you're going to be looking at cover crops and managing land how'd you know you have to buy a commercial fertilizer that a guy the other day said all right so we got that tall rice and we still run a moldboard plow we plow another and plant corn we get really good corn that's how much that even put on you always that we do honor 50 units am alas i put on zero why don't you try zero see how well you do you wanna corner B yellow wall here we go seed corn but I can't put it seed may see corners I like doing things really hard that's why we're taking the grain away from the cows and going seed corn I do this because everybody tells the work you got it right now you got to recognize we're intensive managers and we refuse to take less yield than conventional so I had the seed corn he knows a big company from the states and seed corn and so I grow for a company and I was out there one day India yeah some guys walking around this field and I went out there see jacket sound I could tell what companies we grow otherwise we know who were growing for it was a variety out of Ohio now we were growing for it and they were taking pictures and I didn't know I didn't know I was that first year ago on seed corn just wouldn't do in a couple years and then I'm waiting to harvest it we had was in the top 10% of the yield with that variety or compared to conventional and organic and we had the highest quality or never see coming the guy that runs the seed company the son who's 30 years old wants to do organic and the dad it was my age thinks organics a joke when our farm came in the Sun got bad outdoors you got to come and take a look they came down they got about 50 Hispanics on the line through North the bad corn beyond they're on break we're not according let's to the plant it wasn't confined a bad corn so anyway that says Wow well this all come from so then I said we would have had the highest yo we got two males and conventional guys they only let them have one male I said why do we have to have 200 commencer size one and what because you're organic and then I get annoyed why would you penalize me because I'm organic and so I took 20% of our yield away so our contracts for 40 bushel corn that was 83 so we doubled that contract that's why says three thousand dollar an acre crop for us and it's really challenging this last year we had troubles with weather but anyway and then we grow some soybeans and this was we plant our soybeans quite late anybody go soybeans in spread the world named bigger soybeans it all around here it's not that's a nice crop of soybeans that let's see that would have been about about about two times two and a half tons an acre so it was a nice bean practice and that's hard to control weeds in them that's why that's a challenge on their farms and then we have a vegetable operation and we do that for gardeners I see if we have 35 acres of vegetables I should be upstairs listening those guys right anyway are 35 acres of vegetables is not really true we only have about 15 acres of vegetable we have 35 acres of land set aside for vegetables if you're gonna grow something that's that high return and that costly so that's why I tell me what you're gonna do that see this one year soil building and one year production this is not the sole building this is Virginia Ellen poultra just wrote a book about starting a farm and she did a million dollars csa outside of Washington DC and so they got clover and receipted and I think that's forgot was crop that was right now what happens you get old it just jumped out of my head anyway so then they show up you put all the minerals out there and you do the soil building and then you do that hope in Nexus one year so building one your crop when you're so building one your crop we're gonna go a hybrid turn cotton you want to cut down you're working your expenses and give something really healthy you can't farm it every year you just can't it's just too hard it's too expensive it's why would you do that to yourself why do I Midwestern bio egg is the company I founded in 1993 because I couldn't get the fertilizer nutrients that I wanted I was trained as a Brookside consulting doctor all bricks work we're really quite strong in the Upper Midwest that's Wisconsin if you want to know where I'm from that's where I live right there southwestern Wisconsin and we probably have about a million acres and about 15% no 25% of our customers are organic mainly because I farm organically in Australia we have hi base of organic farms 25% of the land spawned organically in North America this is Robbie's thought I'd just sure to see if he was gonna show the same picture I really liked that I stole that from him a couple years ago I think I didn't even know it I still use it biological farming is really approach to food production that respects the natural process the farm nor the yield top quality products provide a viable living for the producer it's a part we seem to keep forgetting and we gotta have as long team productive activity by larger farming also understands a necessary that balanced relationship you've been hearing about all day the three parts of the stool the physical the chemical in the biological and if you're biodynamic there's four links on your stool you're one of them your mind you're the center of your farm you're it's an emotional kind of aspect to it so I don't how many people are biodynamic I bring that up in my country they kind of laugh something I can bring up over here is I'm leaving Friday anyway I think I'm crazy so biological really is about carbon sequestering I'm involved with carbon sequestering projects that's like how you measuring soil biology you don't need to it's too complex you'll never get it figured out and the tests are gonna be wrong because except you hit here they're gonna be different so how am I gonna measure if you're sequestering carbon or not it's really simple all I got to do is measure how much nicotine you're using it's just we did a big study out of Clemson University spend a lot of money do all review all the literature so food companies that want us a question carbon I want to make them feel good see the food companies are getting in agriculture whether you like it or not I was telling people I was in a conference in London about three years ago sat in an office in London with global positioning and satellites in imagery they're gonna try to predict yields so the food companies will then know if there's gonna be a shortage of potatoes they can buy him ahead of time you won't know but they will in the world so I'm sitting in our office in London in the Atlas global position and they picked up their highest quality potatoes going into Frito Lays and it's one of my customers in Michigan they picked it on a satellite image II send me an office in London I said wow kinda scary enough to watchin me or not but carbons the question is all about nitrogen it's all about nitrogen see when I was a kid they started using commercial fertilizers and chemicals came along but fertilizer on you know I pick out a good and a bad farmer driving down the road well you can do that organically now but chemicals made everybody look good doesn't mean they we're good didn't mean they did a good job they saw everything got green and talked Tyson when I was a kid Boyd's gonna go really get tall and look at all that biomass we're gonna really raise organic matter forty years later we cut it in half it's all nitrogen then it's all it's all tillage oh ho no university Wisconsin just finished a 20-year study on No Deal it did not it did not increase carbon not one speck cuz that's all nitrogen so no-till didn't do it either this is all balancing carbon to nitrogen ratio so you're gonna burn up carbon based on how much nitrogen you put on it's really that simple no carbon sequestering is a part of it energy savings we didn't complete sudden assault conservation I don't need near the disasters on my crops I don't have near the project much higher levels of nutrition and I got better human health and I got more profit that's really what it's all about so we can demonstrate all those things are measurable so biological farming really in the summary is doing everything you can to get those all is healthy and mineralized and we don't skimp on that you see that's why that when we start out another 100 acres or the found us last year transition will be shake a salt test we just dump it out there put everything on Oh someone's all you gotta put calcium on first and then fastest I just dump it out there start growing cover crops start growing cause I started getting it into a carbon biological cycle what's wrong with conventional agriculture the minerals are not in a carbon biological cycle they're in chemistry you don't bought your fertilizers and you hope the plant can get it inside oh that was Jones what small percentage of the crop actually is sucking up these minerals pastures 15 to 20 percent of what they buy yeah I go to the farmers and they said oh we know how much phosphorus it takes to grow my crop - yeah but you only using 10% what you put on how would you know that do you know you're putting on this much they said it's hard to get the back down cuz someone got in their head that they have to put on this much faster to go this crop so we do everything we can to get healthy men die so if I dump those minerals out there they're not planets available using organic here are all just natural rocks from mines so then when we start going the cover crops to get the biology going then and only then that's why the two-year transition makes a lot of sense because I gotta get these things cycling i'ma and that is why you gotta be careful on a soil test and that is why just like a biological test because it depends fine find a pencil where are your minerals where are they I want them in biology and carbon they're not gonna necessary show up on a soil test Elmo else guy hey I'm just like this we're here as Midwestern buyers my company knows Monsanto bio egg now that name is gonna go away when I was at that conference at Cambridge mr. Baer was on the same panel I was and I got all done with my little speeches and mr. garrison last really nice mr. Zimmer but our farmers in England can't afford to do what you're doing that's really simple either they do what I'm gonna do or you take all their check in Europe well you take the check you never make it better for next year and I do Oh crowd cracked up laughing mr. Baer got done we had five minutes at the end he gave a five minute dissertation I wish I had a copy of it's the future of beer Chemical Company bought Monsanto and Monsanto name is gonna go away there's a thousand lawsuits against them they lost that big cancer suit now they're 200 million the judge reduced it now there's a thousand lawsuits and cancer sounded nice and just people think it is so they literally we go to their website it literally copied me well sue Monsanto I said what how many in you really think that you're a limiting factor and your font is a bug full of chunks a jug full of bugs did it backwards it may just like sit here so they're gonna sell you and what's really interesting if you think about it they go out to the land and guys like a really good crops and they measure the bugs and figure out what bugs they're in they're on really good crops and they isolate those and sell it back to you they came from the land and you're buying them back and you could just as well grow myself if you're gonna spend fifteen to twenty dollars and they could buy their bugs back I suggest you need to go see a psychiatrist I'm not interested buying I'm not saying I want immaculately like crops but soybeans are Olivia we need to be inoculated so one that workers on our farm we planted some soybeans on land they've been in set aside for 25 years we used to that grow soybeans in Wisconsin now they got I'm gonna grow them way up in Canada because they weren't going that far north and we didn't they got forgot to get inoculated and yes what they got nodules on the roots and there's never been soybeans ever growing ever on that piece of land so where did they come from and the almond tree dries and morel mushrooms start to grow how did those sports get there I say everywhere so I'm not big on adding the bugs anyway now I know this looks a little confusing this is my slide that indicates that we have it all figured out this system was from South Africa I guess partners in South Africa yeah make sure some pictures tomorrow money without that it's really really interesting what we did in South Africa we cut their commercial fertilizer in half and cut their grain in half in most 70,000 cows this thousand farms seventy five thousand cows each and now they're building another 10,000 Coward dairy farming Zimbabwe the Chinese are building the dairy farm mr. Trump may think he can bull you the Chinese young but I know what they're up to there in Africa by an Africa not to feed Africans by the way this is called the Theory of Constraints and you like gold wrath from Israel or something where every some and it's about he's a financial guru guy see that little tube going down the middle that's your output see means if you plant Dubai maze anybody plant maze and you know furia when you open up that bag next spring it has potential for about 1215 tons an acre if you want to get half of that to protect genetic potential was more so your output got squeezed you can straight your output so we look at it we understand there's air oxygen soil houmous erosion control involved we also whose side there's big metals like nitrogen phosphorus potassium and sulfur and there's also calcium magnesium we understand ratios we understand where they all walk if you got one of those in a limitation and one in excess you've got a constraint we know what levels we need to look for in the plant you also got your financial services up there and then you got your mic you know dude saint copper iron magnums more millennium chloride nickel cobalt silica and so then we got our soil amendment strategies and we got our soil microbes in our earth that was never got our plant food our folio fruits are falling and you make yourself in here and then we got our seedbed preparation all our equipment we even got bees for pollination so everything is working perfect on here if you're not doing all that perfectly out here and not managing that and then we go back here to cover crops we get involved in clap and we get back to getting ready for the next year how we store it so we got our crop rotations our cover crops and our conservation tillage if you get all those things working and you follow around the people that are really successful as I get a chance to do you see I think we got that figured out that theory constraint I think is spot-on now the detail is my different but boy oh boy oh boy we don't eat any magic bugs we don't need a lot of tests to figure that out so I was gonna talk about rules out here not while you can see this the way back years ago I got the plane around in a spy illogical finally I wrote the rules to biological farming now our NRCS our National Resource Conservation Service wrote their rules to solve health so actually my rules to biological filing area on my book you know look I want to test and balance your so yes I gotta put some chemistry with this otherwise just doing a shot in the duck I don't even test every year every acre and I read 10 new grid sampling I don't even do that I got to get something if I want to I got to get it started so I just want a sample we might sample every 5 10 acres and I sample every 3 to 5 years if your sample every year you got a bad concept in your head you think it changes that best it doesn't so once I got a salt s what's the salt test about I'm gonna add what's short I forgot enough I'm not gonna add anymore it's not about creating a perfect salt test if you got where high in magnesium you can spend the rest of your life trying to change that and you might never achieve it why don't you just live with it we live on dolomitic limestone salt I saw I was naturally high in magnesium and you are not gonna get rid of you think so you come to Wisconsin by Apollo bring a lot of money with you and I'll show you how you're not gonna get rid of it then I want to use fertilizers we're through the least damage I said it in any damage and watch the salts in the mornings I want to use a balance of all nutrients that balance a scientist all these fertilizers are sold on solubility so you my grandfather bought a fertilizer an NPK called a 3 12 12 and yes my dad never bought a 6 24 24 and now we're gonna 9 23 30 so every time we improve the numbers on fertilizer we sue out a lot of the goodies we made it all water-soluble and then we wonder why it's in there water it just doesn't make any sense to me so that's because it's all how it was sold so I ask my people get hung up on those numbers I want something to be time to release the plants gotta eat every day I tell people if you got a new Daily Times you got a cat for today go home tonight put all the feet in front up for the next three months and see how well it does what's not you far as I want to grow your crops you just dump it all out there so then I want to make sure I got my eye light come on Channel I control the pH of our fertilizers I'd like to put a carbon with him I like to place them and I want homogenize micronutrients got advice it's hard to put a polymer zinc out there pesticides herbicides nitrogen I should say in biotechnology in minimum ounce and only absolutely necessary oh I have side effects nitrogen issues it recites the second sighs pesticides like they're fungicides they're issues now I'm not saying I'm not telling conventional farmers not to use them but they never make your farm better I see the guys still see why your fertilizers a little high crisis of what cuz you've been buying the cheapest saltiest crappy good and I'm giving you a better fertilizer and I got all those treatments and they're expensive and I said but you're you're giving your money away now that's not something that never makes you fine better when you deliver your minerals I'm gonna make your farm better because they don't go away I build them up and so anyway those things never make your farm better and then I want to create a maximum diversity with green manure crops and tire rotations I want to use tillage to control the big K of residues I'm a real believer and shallow incorporating now in order because we grow so many row crops in America we're really big into strip tiller zone till I think we got the same problem everybody else does in the world 40% of the land is owned by something that doesn't even live near the farm and they rent it out so nobody wants to fix rented land so we take on rented land we rent it for seven years two years to fix it in five years to find it we've never lost a piece of land yet when he signed one contact the first time and in those seven years we just we just keep right on finding it nobody we fix their land they can't believe what we do to fix their land that's all but anyway his own tillage is a way to have a conventional farm rented farm and get the maximum use out of your dollar as fast as you can because now we got a little strip in the ground about ten inches wide and put in the concentrated nutrients down that little zone so if you buy there was a farm in Michigan that went broke last year I got to evaluate it because I work with all these investors and it 100,000 acres me went bankrupt and he was I said to leave Chile conventionally killed 100,000 acres of plows and worked it to death and I said wow I said nobody's doing this anymore what about minimum till he's all I said I get too much salt variation is too hard to teach everybody said we just do everything the same with I said why did you go to strip kill zone in the all I said I tried it my year went backwards I said what are you putting in that zone if you take commercial fertilizer and you put it down that zone you put salts in the more you UVs go down we work with the strip tail companies because they like our fertilizer in their zones because you can go backwards with strip killing but anyway I like the shallow incorporate and I run we run big deep rippers and then the last ones I want to feed my saw live carbon from compost green manure crops livestock menorahs residues and I want up like calcium rns yes this is air rules for solve health minimum disturbance maximize salt cover fine maximum biodiversity fine and maximize presence of lures find what's missing tillage and minerals they can't mention minnows may be attacked by every soil science department in North America I know these guys some soil conservation Ray Archuleta travels on he speaks it quite a bit I have a few beers within myself and I talk about so what about counseling well you know they can't they can't bring up minnows cuz they're it's all scientific mine owns the minerals world they can't talk about it that's a religion you got to leave that one home if you're working with soil conservation you say oh I'll follow any one of those rules there's nobody can argue against a single one of those rules there's nothing wrong with those rules but certainly not the whole picture is it there's pieces missing there's more to it than just that that's why I said we do have this thing figured out and by the way how many are organic in here right now number of you it's not a system of finding if the system are not doing I didn't do this I didn't do that I didn't do that I must be organic and that's why you organic people have a responsibility to your consumer they're paying you more because they expect more now I say organic only means three things clean air clean water clean food there's nothing about nutritional value there's nothing human about soil erosion in there you see it's really about that doing and of course if you want to be successful you better do something now I go to some farms and I'm very good so anyway it's not it's not really a farming system at all it has issues nitrogen you can grow that one no that's better beat race Mendelson better have rotation you might have healthy soils weed control that's an issue that's a weed burner right there by the way and you got your off your somebody's all I can make three thousand dollars an acre growing maize seed corn why can't do whatever year that's once every four years my off years growing oats or something that's why were you take those off me we're not gonna grow anything see if everybody did what we did on the dairy world now all took all the grain away from the dairy cows I'm real production dropped by 50% we'd ever show there's no milk that we'd all get paid see I went I met with some very influential people here a while ago because I got an investor saying why cut me they through seventy million dollars at my company I'm sold out I'm and they asked me if I was secretary coach - what would I do to change their coach at first I need a bodyguard and I need to have what I say goes and this is this I'm gonna tax nitrogen so high that you can't afford to buy it you will get good at it and the other thing I'm going to subsidize your cover crop or your offseason crop so you make as much money on that so now I'm taking out one-third of the land in North American corn beans corn beans corn base the corn beans something else why not a week there's something that feeds the world they don't eat corn and beans we have piles of corn in the street from last year that never got moved there piled in streets out in the quarters never sold from last year and now the harvest is going on this year make your piles in the streets so I said I can radically change the agriculture pretty easily so transitioning organic and just keep doing what you're been doing just switch templates and all the new modern-day farmers all these young kids I want to pick on your young kids are getting away just got your college degree you're really smart it came home and you're just gonna switch to an organic version there's organic insecticides fungicides pesticides herbicides and now they're gonna come out with new rubber say you can just switch inputs boy oh boy oh boy I don't know you just give your checkbook away come on you don't need to do that and then the I can also put it in Haynes small grains now they're put in a and I sell over here I just sold all the organic matter in Windows for two years and now I'm again getting that exciting what do you do what we do just accelerate the system and spend two years getting it fixed and hang on now it works so soil health there's only one the definition here's my definition our government calls that the capacity of the solar function and I added without intervention at my age you see what's health am i healthy see I they don't go to doctors cuz I know what I do the testing I just want to know I don't take anything and I'm not saying it's smart I'm just saying I refuse to take those nature they got side effects I refuse to do it I think everything is solved with nutrition so I get my blood pressure's a little high my collectors a little high and I said the doctor just tell me right not be prepared the numbers you want me to have and I'll be back in six months I didn't say I want to live this way but I'll give you the numbers you want I can change my diet I'm stubborn old German so without intervention if you're intervening I'm like this guy and he said I'm not last week this last week he said I my heart was not know till I said nothing your husband okay yeah he said well you said I'd run a ripper in the fall after my soybeans before a corn I got a deep river and he said I got a vertical tillage machine I run I shred the corn stalks I run the vertical tillage machine through my main stalks before I plant soybeans I thought you're a no-till he said that is no tell he keyed on notice like this she got all grass we're a little annoyed by your golden butter or something all grass-fed butter and it's about 40 percent of the specialty butters in America comes from Ireland under your label anyway and we don't think it is what it's supposed to be you think I don't want you to cheat I want you to be honest with me make sure they're from cows that are out on pasture make sure they don't have all the drugs and chemicals oh I added a few things here but this is our NRCS you don't need a soft tester biology is the water soaking in the waters not soaking and I got beautiful pictures side by side ponds the waters kind of soak in hey you can't you can't it's not every year it's kick it can't be waterlogged that's where I was a while ago innate huh and they want to know if they want to get involved in bile out to a finally wash down in Missouri and they had they read that one strong revolution that book this guy farms 20,000 acres Gaylord family are very wealthy people and you've saw a thousand acres but it's it's all flood irrigate it's in the Mississippi Delta it's clay I mean you couldn't make up here in the bagging room you got a hundred pound book boot everyone's full of mutton so you're gonna find this organic ate all the lands not suited to farm organically all the lands not suited to be no-till only about 2000 and in North America suited to be organic well there will heavy old clear said what do you do with those they're not organic bones find one that's suited we're looking that land out in the brass Tiffany when the far more data can come to America go to Nebraska by irrigated land that's rains about 20 inches of rain we get 40 where I like now I didn't shut the water off and do my cultivating and plant and you turn the water back on it's the easiest organic farming the risk and there's six or seven different crops you can go I also got a cycle my nucleus what does that mean how'd you implant I want a new you know where your minerals out and they make sure you letting them go as you want as you need them for the crop you're growing middle of disturbance we agree with that what does that mean you can't have a crust on top the ground it can't breathe that's why we shall incorporate all those residues I've been to note if knives if you were one the my consultants and you're gonna go out to a farm you can go to an old tale farm I tell the guys I got a shovel let's go take a look you go to a guy's a strip till farmer you don't have to go look because I know he's creating a strip to plant it well it is some no-till ground this as hard as the floor you're standing on and yet they saw all no tell me rows and gullies are awful you can see when a Harvard do they have to drive around the little ravines cuz they can't drive to them it got just big gullies in their field because the ground is hard and dead and yet they said well and they got crust on the ground that you can hardly poke through we gotta have a lot of plant diversity has for us organic guys do so well with because we got weeds as I said and you get up living roots and you've got a managed McKay residues they can't state it for three years I added the word minerals now that covers soil health see Tony just do all those things make sure all those things are working for you and you got solo this really interesting those were earthworm castings that's a pretty nice-looking saw folks it's a farm in Iowa and I was trained with dr. Albrecht under Brookside consulting back 40 years ago and I went to their trainings they said no nobody talking about cover crops back then we didn't have the equipment they said they ran we're dairy farms they have large run tight rotations and they did plow and by the way I worked with some really good farms those horse and buggy farms in Ohio last week that is that they plow but they don't plow very deep or very fast or very often dairy farmers so I was told you get your middles right and everything else will be just fine this farm came to one of my window meetings a couple years about a customer for 20 years he gave the meeting he said my crops are stalled out my deals he said it was 140 bushel corner I know you guys don't use bushels like we do he said now 250 280 bushel corn and I said I'd might install laude so I'm not getting any higher in here they said I wonder if I'm putting on enough nitrogen so that when I start with you I was using 140 units of antigen growing 140 bushel corn that's what the university recommends one bushel per pound imagine he said now I'm 250 it's 180 bushel corn I haven't changed my medicine I think I could use a little more nitrogen so that's easy to tell just Cypress a little more we got to talking he never screwed a cover crop in his life that's just because he's got the minerals right those beautiful source of free meaning and double his yields from Jessica in the middle I said gosh why don't you go cover guy says oh I try dry once and it was too hard to manage the scatter way so we just don't we just grow corn beans and we don't we don't grow cover crops that was done with just changing soil chemistry and that's where I was taught 40 years ago so what about those things he quit all that what about diammonium phosphate the commercial Fosters what about potassium chloride what about an Tigers ammonia what about insecticides fungicides herbicides what do they do to help soil health well we know they don't do anything positive how about your televisions our televisions are nothing but drug ads and then they give all the side effects if you listen all the side effects you would certainly never take any of them the side effects salt cyber nutrients excess nitrogen all those chemicals are your side effects so Saul health is really the capacity to function it really means organic right does not talk about yield that's capacity to function just because you have saw others that I mean you get high year because you gotta manage nutrients you gotta manage the release of nutrients so solve fertility is the maximum level nutrients that are exchangeable for optimum crop performance they're two separate things soil fertility and soil health are not the same this is a farm we bought who rented we rent this one you see corn stocks as a small grades and they got this weed is an indicator of tight sauce foxtails indicator of tight sauce so immense good stash of quack grass as we call it when we take over land within 3 4 years it's gone the Albert leaf is gone Fox still last you ate a lot of Fox numbers arraigned every day but quite gosh a good scratch does not our farming system I don't know what we do our tight rotation maybe it's mad at our equipment I don't know leaves will be show up that went to that after my two years of soil building look at that was requested over hard type ground to this in two years I can change the soil you will not recognize it but just putting all those inputs in there and two years later that's what I get so this is also really true we got lucky I heard people talking about low input and I'm not opposed to inputs I think I think I want us to take money from things that don't make your farm any better I wanna take money from excess soluble nutrients I want to take money from the negatives I want to get rid of your negative excess till it's whatever they might be well I'm not gonna be a tip I'm gonna invest in dollars and stuff we're high in cancer we're high-yield flowers I'd be few take less you've been conventional farmers I cannot work with large conventional farms and have half the yield they do they wouldn't listen to me see why we're doing but this is a true study you might a California top producers in yield and profit they spend eighty seven of their time searching testing researching learning always looking for better ways reducing unnecessary cost adding dollars that drive yield and quality investing in quality input seed fertilizers it's all about limiting factors in prevention and 20% of time shopping looking trying to buy better try to reduce their cost the least possible guys spend 80% of time cutting costs spending as little as possible searching for the least inputs living on the defense always wait there's a problem shows up then try to deal with always dealing with problems that arise and they protect their income through crop insurance in our country only 20% of time improving their farm that's the true story that's a large study of a lot of farms and I think it's real where are you are you going after more any reducing philosophy this piece of equipment right here if you went and bought one of those in America you'll get my phone number my company you can't put salts in the mornings right now as well this was developed by one of our customers it's called a soil warrior strip kill machine see our GPS and we can drive really straight I want to concentrate all my nutrients all my fertilizers I really like actually I really like that that machine does three expensive there's things I make my farm better present prevent disasters how long do they get to go here a fraternity what's that so this is a thirty four thousand acre property in North South Dakota as transitioning or again it's the largest organic transition that ever took place that we know of on this planet this is General Mills is involved as investors involved and this out the court is all in one hunk and it's called the Gunsmoke farm and if you old people understand in Festus doc Chitty Gunsmoke James Arness maybe you don't cowboys Indian days when I was a kid so anyway this whole farm right here is a bunch of investors of people running it's up in North Dakota I wanted to spend the first two years getting it they're not going to convince your crops they're growing weeds and they don't have enough food I didn't want spend any mice they don't even clip the weeds and then win us organic in two years Oh it'll be certified organic oh and now my name is plastered all over us I just want to help ya look if you read the reports that's doing just terrible just remember I'm not I'm not the one making the decisions there's a and financial people are controlling the checkbook and every fuse to spend any money they are not getting themselves ready for organic and they so what they decided to do they couldn't get all the weeds cut they got they got cheap grass they got kosher and they got thistles all over this farm and so they took in this year they they sold 18,000 acres worth a hey at $15 a bale and I calculated the organic matter and the minerals are worth $60 a bale and they sold it for fifteen but I got the weaves off their farm they said I don't know if I did or not there's a shortage of hay in South Dakota samarium $15 a bale so amazing that is a huge piece of property so General Mills and the big food companies are all gonna put pressure on I say anyone all the big food companies are not making money on their old stand like general rules at Pillsbury flour now half gone that's gonna go by the wayside they bought Annie's organic and they need they need a hundred thousand acres of hard red spring wheat just for Annie's organic so we got a contract for three hundred fifty thousand bushel off of this farm right here hard red spring wheat from General Mills that's why the investors bought we have a ten year contract and so all these companies are really expand they're looking at Costco in our country as a wholesale food supply thing it sells a lot of organic and they are talking about they can all the poultry 100% organic in their stores if they do that what's walnut what all the other stores gonna do they're gonna have to follow suit ante you know why you're not doing it cuz we're trying to stop the illegal fraudulent organic stop coming into America and they're worried they can't get enough green to feed those chickens how do we get so how do we get more growers and then we got how do we get those guys to trust that we got enough that they can get in the game then anyway that big project I'm in the middle of I gotta give him some credit that was her winner weak that didn't look too bad that was soybeans a year before this is first year transition so there was no weeds into the year before but I said but didn't where the next year what did he do with it now it's still never gonna grow wheat again no we gotta grow some nitrogen you have some lithium's out here as of last week they were still planting alfalfa you know why they got a contract the guy that sold in the seed that if it doesn't grow they give them back free seed we quit planning about the 10th of September where I live and you're up into the court isn't there still planting the ground is starting to freeze they're still putting alfalfa seed in the ground but they got a garden penis to seed escrow they get free seed back ok yes this is another piece of land I want to bring up for the gay guys alike to just do come across and build soil we I was in England they offered me $1,000 a tree I had 40 acres where the Christmas tree said 25 feet tall I can't give away nobody wanted them so I said my grandfather grandpa's roll over in her grave we cleared that 40 acres in seven days what our bulldoze on our skid steer with a grapple Oxana so this been pine trees and set aside for 25 years the grew those big trees on it it's my son here we just bulldoze them into piles then we burn them and we cleared this land what do you think the saw looked like after 25 years of sitting there's it all fixed and loose and crumbly and full of minerals absolutely not phosphorus single-digit passing single-digit pH is 5 5 those pine trees made that soil acid they certainly didn't fix it it wasn't fixed chemically it wasn't fixed biologically and sat idle there was no killed for 25 years why didn't it fix himself it didn't so why didn't extract more minerals to the saw it couldn't they aren't there I mean if it could I could put our last two minerals out in the front maybe it could have got started so anyway burned it and we cleared it so anyway I'm after those healthy kind of soils so your farmers job to put another way of balancing those soil minerals and I'm Joel mentioned they maximizing photosynthesis and farmer thinks that's putting more plants per acre no no it's about having healthy wide leaves with lots of magnesium to capture as much Sun as you possibly can and the bell to stop the disease and have open forum and file them down through the plants so the nutrients can flow up and down and I'm not born to move the sugars is maximizing photosynthesis it's not more plants manage air and water and manage crop residue or decomposition improve and feed soil biology I just gonna go a little bit through a soil test and see I talked about a biology test there's about 13 different elements we test but there's 70 elements Munda grow crops when we bring in a natural rock phosphate err we take a product we get up from Las Vegas called sulfur plus it's got a to 9 pH it's real high nickel selenium and silica we use that as a base to put our trace minerals in so we're organic and we can't use conventional fertilizers we can use any mineral anybody else can so we can take new majors have a 3/4 pH they're very acidic we can take this sulfur clusters of to 9 pH we can add a PO to find trace metals to it it's and we can also take us how we make soluble calcium take lime and put it on the low pH soil and you'll have calcium availability there's the acidity uses a carbonate to neutralize your soil and you get free calcium what if what lime on a neutral pH soil it's insoluble there's no break down what are you can add something acid to it like a human do it before that's how we manufacture fertilizers so this one here I got to fire my bought and I got I got so testing down to just four simple questions what type of soil is it now how you do it figure that out that's organic matter about 2 percent organic way that's CEC about 10% that's cation exchange capacity that's clay and human some medium like salt and my pH SR in the 7th there is all you should have a 6 5 PHS anything less than 7 you're missing minerals the only advantage to having a little PHS if you've got dead soils you have more minerals so up if you've got live cells if your organic you're gonna struggle to have pH is low don't believe the stupid story you gotta have a low pH I work with guys got 8 PHS the only thing difference is you have to replace biology with chemistry if your PHS are above 7 you have to have biology given you the mineral availability you don't need your pH at 65 that's a joke that's a lie that's not a true story that only occurred with chemistry so I now know what my soil pH is our if that be Joel mentioned after sworn that pH was five the rest of the numbers on this or tests are useless if that pH was nine the rest of the salt numbers I've been saying are useless it's all just if it's got to be around seven that have any value of the numbers just remember that otherwise the rest of the stuff is useless I gotta look at peas in case I like my potassium levels three to five percent look at phosphorous b1 is a readily available p2 is the reserve the University says 25 and 50 everybody's fighting phosphorus phosphorus phosphorus is the good guy he's not the bad guy he's the good guy so it makes your plants healthy just because he got high soldiers doesn't mean to get into plants because this farm was not munching well until we start doing cover crops and change how they find it the University says 25 to 50 100 125 125 127 186 187 perfect we're not in the government programs cuz they would stop us from trying to farm this so I just quit the government programs they have no right I'm fighting you mentioned Dwayne Beck someone did I think that if Robbie did out in the court I got enough argument Wayne back he's all no-till and I said no tell I said he said these ranges the prairies will never kill nice if that's not two of the Wolves tell them and then they all laugh at me oh the walls herded the Bison then the Bisons stomped and peed and pooped and they shall incorporate addresses and they did the tillage of our purse the Wolves use the Bison as the tool and that's how the prairies got re-established no tell now the Bisons got a different shape booth in a cow cows cause a lot of compaction but anyway that's why the government programs here this this phosphorus thing is just misleading so this saw this farm right here's got extremely high phosphorus and we like it where's my calcium magnesium these are 89 magnesium or 1718 and 75 77 on calcium was all done with chicken manure laying in manure our normal saws are 30 on magnesium and 55 on calcium this is I bought this farm I rented for these guys rent it for 25 years it's right next to a hundred thousand laying hens that bought half mile down the road inators dump the chicken manure on this farm that God tells him a little bit high so what Saturday got rid of the magnesium so anyway they're in really good shape but after all admin or after all those years the trace we those are terrible just because you're putting on manure you're not Tracy knows blonde sucks it's really to the bottom of the barrel your tres menos are really marginal zinc is committed to old manganese is really low coppers marginal morons exceptionally low in iron is plenty high because normally isn't our soils I wrote the word uniformity you dairy farmers in it that's really valuable to you unless you have every soil tests on every field looking exactly the same doing feat test as a tilt on your fun because if one test is really high near this is really low the guy takes a feed test and he goes and does a ration and he does the ration based on what you used to feed not what you're going to be feeding think about that and if you're an album this fields got much higher of different analysis in that here the reason they have uniformity if you're a dairy farm then your feed test and only then can your feet test be a value to you Sothis doesn't tell where those boots are plan to be low soul does not test with the biology as you can see and smell and look at that it does not tell if it's loose and crumbly and does not tell you if the microbes can breathe and if that Joel brought this up to phosphorus is converted in soluble phosphorus and hours of application that's why we would just as soon use a rock phosphate put into a compost pile this our facilities and years ago we had NPK and then we started looking at all these different things how do we went from diammonium phosphate to mono morning we went and said 'you really use the morning sulphate and environmentally smart nitrogen we manufacture some fertile i didn't want to use all soluble phosphorus so we used natural rock phosphate i didn't wanna use potassium course you use potassium sulfate and caming at large two hundred thousand acre farm in eastern europe think they took that over when an curtain came down and read it for twenty-five dollars an acre for 25 years guess what and now what brexit they're not sure they're gonna get their government cheques and the land rent just went 250 dollars an acre 25 years around it's now they're gonna have to learn how to find I thought you guys are all better farmers and we were in America until I started coming over here see we don't get a government subsidies you get really good at this thing you have no choice you're gonna sink so where did they switch tide that young lady come over 200,000 acres was the first in a switch they went from DAP to Mack then what some potassium chloride potassium sulfate and they started using molasses should we make a sugar predicates McCool a father UK they started using the sugars in the molasses that's a huge change on 200,000 acres that's all those moves are in the right direction do not tillage isn't done yet cover caps aren't down yet bigger variety of different crops and we got our liquid fertilizers and we got our different calcium sources so you can take anything up your sieve commercial fertilizers are sold on solubility except though it's fresh animal nor and young green plant someone mentioned a day they're losing a lot of soluble nutrients in it my man Joel young green sucking on things that have a digestion of highly soluble compost with your plants are tying their slow-release organically you can use anything any mineral on the shot you can use but use different sources most of them you have to use our they're slowly release things like rock phosphates and lying you can use but you can actually use organic Elle is organic and it's soluble because we add that humates and calcium sulfate and other things to to make it soluble potassium sulfate swore slow release and potassium chloride so I can take anything on that list anything you know I think Joel mention it and maybe Bobby Robbie did also many of the soluble fertilizers can be slowed down stabilized with carbon molasses sugars work well in the liquids or humates should be on their compost humates and manures work well with driving the reason took us all test is you want to you took the salt test so you divide out over at least three years and it's all about soil correction your crop fertilizers your folders your liquids your starters and things down the road they provide nutrients above and beyond what your saw can dish out when you do in salt testing you're looking at this and only this you can help decide a little bit about that but you're making the crutches anything that's short add and eventually you'll get your souls in balance or as best you can any going at what nutrients are leaving the farm how do I replace them that's my liquid fertilizer kind of a thing out here and there's a link to carbon in all our nutrient this is our NRCS thing and carbon links all our minerals together and so calcium is a king of all minerals kind of thing out here it changes the soil structure I already talked about that's a key to saw hell this year is on our farm on our neighbors farm and he had alfalfa Lucerne in here we dumped the pile of calcium right here and insects came along a fence and this destroyed the field but not right there to see I see so how come I didn't work the rest of the be and I second we didn't put that much on where I live with this budget eventually I'll get the whole field to look like that you need the season but there see what happened when the poppers or aprons come through our country they don't wipe out everybody's field if we go to livestock we had a discussion little earlier I work in the UK I work with a guy that had 30% of his cows have TB here's another farm over here in the UK they can use antibiotics on organic farms we can't in America they say are you gonna farm without antibiotics I said I'm sorry we got 2,000 organic dairy farmers and we none of us have a need for antibiotics yeah so we're off is down to 4% of his cows he milks a thousand cows in England four percent have TB and another farm I'm on got 30% with TB it's not because you got more Badgers on his funnel it's because he's got a different immune system every plan can protect yourself any animal can protect yourself given the opportunity and the proper nutrition that's what this is here see my calcium sources I use a V at low pH line if you've got a high pH you got too much magnesium use gypsum as your salt Craig if you got a neutral pH and your calcium levels are fine on the salt test then you use a soluble calcium and we would take and put some humates with it around the conventional world we burn line high graded burn line is what we use and we put sulphur with it to buffer it out so I can choose my calcium source what I want and make that a work out here and this stuff I think Robbie talked about this simulator this one here's got a deionized water put chips and on the soil in the morning and by the afternoon the water coming off that field was clear it before it changed the soil structure the only two minutes you can add to a soil now you are Ganic guys if you want to if your problem with weeds and you got too much grass pasture when you get right before you get ready to plant your small grain you go up in bulk spin some calcium source seven eight hundred pounds an acre of gypsum or a hydrated lime some kind of lime sauce right on top to ground you will cut down on your weed pressure we got guys doing it all the time because calcium and sulfur on the surface of a saw you can look at him right before you plant or after you plant an top to ground layer and you'll have less weed pressure that's what that showing right there better saw structure rattling holding capacity water penetration better kills and we get that solid stem than alfalfa you livestock guys the University of Minnesota is now figuring out that's pectins there is no patent aspect ins or something that you can almost taste yourselves you can digest so that's if you put a lot of potassium on I was on a farm down in Mexico and they had feel that hay in the first 20 feet the insects weren't bothered in rest of the field they were and I went and cut it off and sealed it was near a gravel road driving down the road to dust from the road put enough calcium I'll do that the insects they were low on calcium every stem was completely Hollow you got a hollow stem on your alfalfa you're too high in potassium to toulon calcium you will have the insect pressure in your crop and you have lost of tapana energy that's all about energy so this is not a alfalfa breeding station and we put a ton of our bio calendar this is not organic this station doubled it sealed on Lucerne and no insecticides nor precise no fungicides and that's a conventional alfalfa research farm problems anymore so weeds diseases and insects out here this is really really interesting to me Bobby that's one of our farms see this little foundation right here there was a town hall sitting here and I repossessed it from the township because they're in violation of our contract at least it for 99 years we bought the farm and the township built the new sheds and another piece of property and so I took the Old Town Hall my wife and I moved it down to another piece of land we restored it the stage is now the kitchen and we restored this Old Town Hall it's been there for a hundred and four years so this is a more lawn in the driveway it's a Township property and I moved the Town Hall these are the weeds that came up last year they've been laying there for a hundred years waiting for the right condition to grow and the rain came I do not know what those weeds are by the ones that looks like mares tail we don't know I said I'm not gonna let them spread but is that amazing they've been waiting when the rain came they've been laying there hundred years waiting for this day so if you think you're gonna wait long to give it all your weeks or keep flushing them out with more tillage you're probably making a mistake you're gonna have weeds it's it's call you if you put a lot of raw manure on your farm you're gonna probably have more weeds because you just fertilize them not the seeds in it was out there this is at the University of Wisconsin that's all GMO corn back there because we did research we didn't want TMO so that's like this is silage corn that's our fertilizer see how much greener this your brown that is you can see the difference on that that's our green stuff that's our trace mineral mix out here and so when we put the trace windows on we actually stop the fungal diseases University of Wisconsin research on a conventional farm that's organic trace muscat humates st. Maggie's iron copper borer and it's got that sell for plus with the nickel and selenium and cobalt all those natural minerals in them there's several deposits in the world we like ash was quite significant this is up in Canada this is a Gerber baby food they wanted some organic baby food this guys are spray real on Lake Erie so they're spraying a fungicide every five to seven days and this one's certified organic right next door can read sure okay now if people got it mixed up winning what did they think that one was organic and this is conventional Oh No what do you think they did use levels of trace minerals are your health and your stimulation in your plant they are your health minerals now I need my calcium and I need my trace minerals and so that's a heavy dose of our trace metals so you put some potassium sulfate on I got to make sure I have sulfur there's three or four tons of compost or they don't skimp and they fall you're sprayed it with compost tea and milk why milk because price is so low you might have put it on in your soil but if you spray it with milk you quoted the leaf with milk it smells stinky and rotten and it's already got bugs going on it from the milk so the fungal diseases can't land and take over that's my theory it might be a joke but one thing for sure they didn't destroy this crap did they this is week North Dakota yes we put our fertilizer on these guys don't grow very good week they'll get much rain see that over those kind of disease this is maximizing photo since that's fifty thousand acre right down the tubes on that week that's about 15 pounds of a trace mono mixes ammonium sulfate and some phosphorus that's all it is 50 pounds in a tree at most because they know how much of a budget that was a bushel more weight breaker and a ground that grows about 40 bucks a week and see yeah now we got better expression of photosynthesis we wiped those diseases out and we had we have some other crops up that we showed much bigger leaves that's ink so all these trace minerals have a function this is poultry manure we're not opposed to putting on me out on a litter spreader to put on Pokemon we're not opposed to putting on Pokemon I think it's actually pretty good but you gotta look at your manure is really simple poultry manure is corn soybeans and line runs through a chicken dairy manure spread hey the horse manure hasn't even started to digestion because they don't do very good they don't have Lucy just as it was before you fed it to him changing but this is pretty good that's a nice soluble calcium sauce if we think that's Kelsey might be that's a really good fertilizer so you're getting down in my time well I'll just yeah yeah so anyway I can also add this thing about making compost I must have picked up on the Pickens I must assume already my skin moved with I'm not a big guy in perfect compost I said this was saying it's perfect rotting I was in China and it was a dead mouse in the motel it smells exactly like they did most in my house in Wisconsin how could that be a rotting mouth smells the same no matter where he is on this planet how can that be possible so everything rots is there a perfect rotting someone came up with a perfect rotting test how could that be what about spreading manure and growing oats what about putting your manure out there and sucking it up into the oats oats has killed more cows than they feed whatever family you know why because it's so good at sucking up nutrients it grows there really well on low fertility you put a Nachman or out there girl oats and give it to your drag house and watch them die sucks up nitrates I'm just coming out of a straw so I don't mind this is we don't call it compost anymore we call it stack gage New Yorkers in our world if you're caught accomplish you gotta prove you made it this call it Sam I brought on these investors this is really not to do with organic it is that we got a $600,000 USD grant to come up with an organic version of this see we take this is not a large farm and see we got huge problems in America these large farms and they all get a manure problem I met about 10 years of I met some researchers out of Utah State University I came up with a system to precipitate the minnows out of manure and so this manure was from 15,000 Cal very fine Fair Oaks Indiana south of Chicago and and it's take a thousand visitors a year come to destroy me get on the bus go right down the PD alleys to the bus 15,000 cows and 10,000 acres guess what oh the manure Lord on that land is unbelievable they'll never ever Express of manure on that farm it's all good if they get a little bit of liquid that's got nitrogen and potash in so we take the feed run it to a cow collect them in or the feeds in account for 48 hours and of course the anaerobic digester for two to three weeks I'd rather be three weeks what comes out of the digester it's pretty well all digestion humming lessons fiber and water we take the water out we separate the fiber and we add other men we granulated we take it to a like a death a machine that takes out as it takes a we precipitate with a polymer oath the minerals that's not certified organic that's what our grant is to come up with an organic polymer precipitate the minerals I tell the people they all laugh at me I say why don't we take our polymer and feed it to the cow in a capsule that she can't digest when the manure comes out we'll run it through a roller and bust that capsule because when it comes out of cow is you you feed anyone to the cows when it comes out that it's sacred anyway that is gonna revolutionize agriculture in America as we know these big farms are no longer spread manure you know what the problem with this is they can now get bigger I solved the manure problem the first one is right here we got twenty million dollars into this facility and we got in one year of failures so far but I hate being the first guy but I don't see anybody lined up to be the first guy and so now the next ten big farms in North America are already lined up to put this technology on their farm we're making three products a calcium product and we're making a generic product and we're making a high trace mineral 5 so our 10 new technology we call it it's a biological if you really if you're asthmatic that computers go online and look up something the old man in the secret it comes out of Texas 1953 this guy patented a biological guys make $20 naked by the spy allowed to develop by Shell Oil Company to clean up after oil spills and what it is cattle punch bugs from a cow's gut sea salts and yeast so now this stuff coming out that yes - all we got is dead bodies of bugs is 5% humic acid and it's got always dead bodies the bugs and it's got some plant growth regulators in there's got a bunch of enzymes in it because they're all dead bodies the bugs that's got plant protective compounds in there it's got food for biology got extra minerals such as linen they feed upon them in ocala day so we're actually gonna change them now we add all the other minerals do it to make those different fertilizers and so we got this different carbon matrix so everything that's all hooked with carbon and the other thing we've done out here we hooked up with qof is cool left in Ireland called e-liquid feeds they're in England they got partners in England and we asked so we took that over to the eastern europe and and we'll moon there's a couple of biological guys in england that are working with they're saying and so numbers are usable I was never in the liquor business I'm a believer if the Sol's are right and if you got the right kind of soil you shouldn't have to fall your feet have to do anything to it if I'm got every bite of food that goes this body it's perfect and wonderful and balanced and full of minerals and I don't have any pesticides or chemicals in it I shouldn't have to take food supplements tell me who eats that way we just had lunch what do you think I take supplements guys in the liquid business so we take all fertilizers a week I don't mind putting Humason liquids we take molasses and sugar in liquids we've had an association we had incredible results where aren't we we round about a million acres now we do 50 was that girl with every year because it doesn't cost the farmer any money he takes that some of those liquid nitrogen put some molasses it take out some of your liquid starter fertilizer to put molasses it take out some of your your all your additives you do it in your tank to make your sprays work last let's got a low pH putting the last set your sprays won't drift you'll have better control on weeds and so we've had a lot of success to that thing and the other thing that's gonna change I don't think I'll probably have to end with this we got a new starter made with MP mkp it's monopotassium phosphate it's the same stuff that's in I think you said no and ooh it's in a Gatorade we'd be labeling Gatorade you're drinking it if you didn't Gatorade but there's a way to deliver potassium and phosphorus because possible want so the future is every sub do you use the starter fertilizer or not see in the South Dakota I wanted them to put liquid on that planter right down those to write down that see get some this dryland farming 15 inches of rain here's all they get I'm gonna fix your sauce lighting right next to the seed why not put a biological in there unlike a box but a biological where the helicopter cross your farm I'm gonna put a right where I want so this dumb is like a costume mix that you would feed a CAF biologicals kilt molasses fish how about pudding I could put some bleep my bread some different trace smells in there I could put a little magnesium down there feel I could put a cocktail mix that's not fertilizer fertilizer needs to be built on your soul so that I want to dribble that really close to your seat as a biological Steve stimulant root development kind of things so I want to get that in that little circle this year's looks get active this year is 12 days after planning on a maize cup our tariff red molasses with some kelp in it kelp at comes from South Africa and that's about a double root system you're gonna see on another guys now a bigger whistling I think Robbie mention that uw-system cut you water and fertilizer in half that's why I like zone tells you can't Grow Rich and heartache ground you can't go riff from too many soluble fertilizers not to do things to change that we can change it starting at the seed for very little dollars I was in Australia and a guy said dryland farming gosh what's your budget saw five bucks an acre a beer and forget about it no what do you think he did right down that row we put a biological right--don't atop the seat see that's that's your best shot that's your best shot so anyway regenerative agriculture just a new movement starting out here that's about cover crops and they gotta have livestock and compost they want to be a hundred cent no til they are gonna be organic are they that's our gate Browns and Dave rants and all those guys out here but to see they don't do minnows that's row dealers do but they wanna do compost and they why you have to have livestock because who's gonna tell this yeah I can do tillage who's gonna keep you rid of their cover crops it graze them all winter long this is North Dakota what 20 inches of rain and his frozen every day of the year except for two in the summer this is a Brendon rocky this is Colorado cover crops see that's his cover crop what are you gonna do with that you're gonna know under that what herbicides he worked it back in the ground it's this thing I won your potatoes won your cover crop it says nitrogen building it's not nutrient storage it's time released on your fertilizer I want my minerals in there I sent you I'll take a soil sample into that crap right there yeah I'm gonna measure this soil you know Sonia that crop is loaded with minerals all you're gonna measure what's left in the soil you gotta be careful on soil testing when's a good time to do it maybe in the fall after harvest can't be really careful don't you ever go take a soil sample in there's a beautiful crop growing on the way because they should have sucked up minerals erosion control should be sequestering carbons and building organic matter it should be in second to old disease prevention it should be building up my soil resilience and it should we can increasing water holding capacity and it should be weed control if you don't take advantage of everything of that cover crop yes that's costing your money I heard someone say cover crops are expensive my friend and Iowa spend $70 nacre and cover crops jeez look what I get for $70 she's an organic farm you know he's one of my consultants we're in the same boat we want to heal their conventional neighbors how much you willing to spend for all that they buy fertilizer sick times besides the biotech now do you spend a whole lot more than $70 negative 70s extreme but this guy's rich whoops whoops I got to go back see this that's what's in that cover crop that's mustard that's why it's a bio fuming it three-two-one letters in the sulfur it states like rotten eggs look at all those minerals that are in that mustard there now that muscle is already fairly mature if I take it down younger I wouldn't have as much minerals but I have he's growing potatoes out here no herbicides no insecticides don't fungicides in 20 units and managing these neighbors are putting that 200 in erson etiquette but one year saw Billy and one year cover crops in any puts a ton of compost breaker that's this whole fertilizer program so it's all about catch and release plants gets the nutrients biology breaks those nutrients down we got some carbon added in there we got some minerals going into the thing and then we release them over here and you see what happens in that cute and then of course they're mob grazing you recently got to have cattle as they got to stop and pee and poop and you got to eat that residue I just soon we talked about no livestock farming long I got a livestock I just out there on the land you just gotta learn how to feed them don't put it on the other side that fence so I think that's why I got my humor sorry I think I'll quit at that point oh I got to show you one more thing and sorry about that my time is probably I talked about feeding your saws like you feed your cows you don't need to test these things this is really simple bacteria are the most abundant creatures on this earth and they eat the easy to digest stuff they're not fungal organisms eat fungal food is complex carbons everybody thought we had to have this complex carbons and Joel brought that up today it'll take another generation for it synchs name when he brought up the liquid exudates from the soil plants are what building your humors in your soul not the stuff you add it's not the stocks it's not the residues when you grow bacteria food they got a 5 to 1 carbon to nitrogen ratio the protozoa they live 20 minutes the protozoa bacteria fungus eat them and the protozoa and other things eat them and there are 20 to 1 so I said when they eat that 5 to 1 guess what the manure coming out of that guy is really high in my kitchen and that's how we get nitrogen you see that's why I can be grass there could be later so I did this I got invited down there's an old guy 90 year although chemistry teacher admits Michigan and saw him the other day 92 and Ames he's still farming because if I quit farming a papi burying me because that's all development land he's not render me though the city limits of Alma Michigan I went to his farm one day and he's really involved in carbon sequestering he said I want to show you my brown carbon boom I got it I got it if it's brown its fungal food and the buildings could be building it turning into black and it could be building organic matter if it's green it's bacterial food in this fertilizer it's fertilizer I don't care if it's a grass there's no such thing as a legume credits this is on our farm the first year I bought that farm with that high salt test corn was yellow starved foxtail grew as the hips are hard we're hogging it down we couldn't even harvest it two years later there we have it so Halle buck really see what was out there there was lots of things in there this is putting on sugar they put side dressed sugar molasses elevation on corn the Sun forgot to turn the applicator on they didn't tell us dad and so that was he had 17 bushel more corn on the hillside $35 than you've ever forgot to put the sugar out this is a potato grower out an item of the highest qualities of state Idaho we potatoes sweet potatoes every house putting on 250 units a 20 someone went to his farm and said oh you got to use some sugar you're foliar feeding some sugar every it's all irrigated before you feed some sugar out here and you said your plant them took your potatoes dirt green so he started putting if Jeb put on a couple pounds of dextrose nothing then I use the theory put more on farmers are good at that he said when I got there when I got the 10 pounds of sugar a week 20 50 pounds of sugar during the growing say I just kept backing down and they didn't back down then maybe my crop got healthy I just called his seaport is in a state of I know he doesn't want anybody to tell anybody what he's doing is they will but doesn't want to lose his status when you get started getting paid for quality you'll hide what you're doing and working that's bacteria for that's gonna be a corn crop and that's what's in that crop 20 years a nitrogen but because it's that young succulent stuff eating bacteria that's why we think we add to the growing seeds with over 300 years in all those minerals in a highly soluble fertilizer form there in that alfalfa two and a half tons an acre or in that little cut roots it all put it back in that soil see that's where I want your minerals in the carbon biological second this is Penn State University they had hairy vetch growing in here and he said we don't understand I went after field agent of course I can't get my mouth shut but I'm at their field isn't they said we don't understand we had a hairy vetch crop in there and we had the most nitrogen credits on the batch and over here we had a young cover crop with only a whole lot less nitrogen credits and that one's green and this one's yellow what's going on we don't understand I sell the ones then digestible you took Harry that's you let your alfalfa get really in the soda you're really right but all heading out you'll have the most nitrogen credits per acre telethia to a cow and get milk it's the same but they forgot to understand that the word digestibility I don't need the tonnes I wanted to feed bacteria they fed fungus this is another farm in Idaho it baths PHS it's called snow bill such high levels of salt they couldn't grow crops they get irrigated and they fertilize the cover crop and all the nutrients come through the compost pile we put rock phosphate into that so suffice to says rock phosphate you got Morocco phosphate put it in the compost pile folks compost is what dick breaks down those new diseases cheaper source of phosphorus and now becomes a timed release and the gypsum so they never grow over 300 sack potato crapper now we're up over five and six hundred Saxon acre because we bypass those soils because there's no way you can fix them that's gonna be soybeans sour farms and the tillage thoughtful disturbance of the land this is on our farm see all the residues on top we have rope cleaners we Clanton grows and we started rolling and crimping and no tilling soybeans every wants to talk about this as a failing farm system and see the soybeans do not grow very well under that roller I've got an inhibitory effect that just they just do lousy in there and this is University of Wisconsin that's where they rolled in crimped awry here's where they tell evaded and as always the ten bushel difference so every paper talks about how great it is to roll and crimp the Rye and plant beans into it but the yields of ten bushel last ten bushel at $20 a bushels $200 an acre I'm sorry we did it for four years if I may quit the sound these are heavy weights in the header right Colony and anyway yes my Oh you see what's the number one year limiting factor it's not nitrogen carbon dioxide the guy that grew the 500 corn made a really profound statement he said in order to grow 5 and a bushel corn you gotta follow 500 corn because you need the carbon dioxide they split the nitrogen out 5 times you go to greenhouses in Canada they inject carbon dioxide the giant pumpkin Gore's all use dry ice for carbon dioxide you see here this plants not built upside down the stomata on the bottom of the leaf so you work these residues in the ground and then they start to digest and they start boiling off carbon dioxide our trouble with environment is we're putting on nitrogen we're tilling the ground and releasing the carbon dioxide at the wrong time you ought to be releasing it when the plant can use it putting on your nitrogen splitting it up boiling off carbon dioxide is the number one year living factor and that you go into a big maze field in America in the middle of summer carbon dioxide meters reach zero so I was dead there's no carbon left to boil off and that's why our environments in trouble and a crop isn't what it should be thankful rats out there and that's why I want to do my shallow tillage and you guys that are grazers I wanted to run my deep as a yeoman plow I want to run my deep rippers because cows do a lot of compaction we got everything on our farm now we're all 30 feet wide we're 12 raw equipment we can wheel track climbing so we never do always driving the same wheel tracks as we do have heavy big equipment and we don't know any other way around it except winning will track farming in place so that's my omen pal why limit the hand that feeds you I like this what nature is not more complex than we think it's more complex than we can think we can't even think so why even bother no other principles in the rules and that was my story so I hope you got it all and thank you very much [Applause] you
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Published: Fri Feb 15 2019
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