Garry Tan (Y Combinator) - Shaping the Future of Innovation, Technology, and the Economy

thank you for being here thank you so much for having me what an honor to uh close out the show I hear which is amazing we have had a rich history of uh why combinator partners and uh and people speak Jessica Livingston spoke in 2012 after her book really inspired me to quit my job in 2009 um and you know it's it's uh yeah really appreciate having the opportunity to speak with you and uh and and talk through so many things you're involved in and some of the changes we're seeing so I first I want to just start uh if if so you're the new president of YC congratulations thank you um really appreciate it what do do you call it what do we call that ad your Administration your cabinet regime guess what do we no I don't know I'm just trying to serve the people you know yeah that does sound kind of like an Administration then yep yep um if YC were the Marvel Universe At what where are we in the timeline are we is this it are we at endgame are we at I it's Iron Iron Man one I like that okay what Iron Man was a really good one I mean that was great yeah we're right at the beginning I lot of AI yeah that's right um what's what's what's different about what what are you emphasizing at YC right now what's important to you I think right now I mean a lot of the crazier changes that we've seen are really in the type of opportunity that I mean I think all of you in this audience can see just the the rise of intelligence like uh this idea that you know you can actually on tap get the Brilliance of maybe a 22-year-old college graduate who gets things wrong maybe one in 10 times that's pretty useful but we get to be alive at this moment where it goes from that to maybe like the 25-year-old one who you know sort of a employee who's much more reliable and can actually tell you things that you didn't know before and then it's about to go from that to you know the 160 IQ genius that you can have on tap basically anytime like that is the craziest thing that we get to be alive for at this moment and if you're starting a startup right now how crazy is that that like this is happening before our eyes you know there are people in this audience who have you know I came up uh in high school during web 1.0 uh my core like found experience was during Web 2.0 and uh I meet you know sort of 22y olds even 18y olds starting companies today who are like oh I feel like we missed on those things but instead we get to be at Ground Zero of this right now and that goes for everyone in this room how lucky are we totally agree what have the the core sort of fundamentals of why combinator the the the program the time with Partners do you think with the changes in Ai and where we are post postco like are those things like you know time tested shouldn't change do you feel like there are tweaks and things to that or do you feel like the the model that's worked for the last what 16 17 years like is that still I mean is it we're still tweaking we're still evolving every single uh every six-month period we sit down we actually just did this this morning the leadership YC we sat down and said what worked in the last YC batch what didn't work uh some crazy stats that came out of that I mean uh the the percentage of uh people right out of college who started companies who came into YC that went from 10% to 30% that's up 3x which is kind of crazy but that kind of goes to this other the the thing I was saying earlier like we're at the a moment of this like crazy Revolution uh I think the big change that um I'm really proud of that I think is going to really pay off at YC is now uh when you work with someone at YC uh you have that person for sort of the life of your company so YC come becomes sort of your seed investor for 7% for the life of the company and you actually have one person who's like the person and I think when I built it initialized that was one of the really important things like we are key owners of these businesses with you it's not like you go to college and then maybe you see your professor once in a while it's like no we should be alongside you you know at sort of all the junctures later and that's actually a really big inversion that wasn't true even two or three years ago at YC that's really cool and like those people that you meet at that early stage that really believe at the early stage I mean they they have this place with you in your psyche in your heart and you know and sort of in your mind of like this is somebody that that's just sort of seen seen me over the course of this whole this whole time and and so for them to stay engaged like that and have somebody sort of dedicated to you working with you is that's a really really powerful change yeah a lot of people uh look at me they're like well you're president of YC now uh you know are you going to be the new Paul Graham and I tell them absolutely not if anything uh you know I think of myself as the person who helps all 14 of our uh Partners turn into you know Paul grams of their own sort and of which I am just one I think you had your own companies this batch oh right that's right yeah I was funding companies just like all the other group Partners which actually hadn't really happened since uh Paul Graham was running YC directly it's really cool and how does how does it work how do the companies get allocated to different partners things someone say hey that' be one that I'm really suited to work with or the founders like how does it work it's very collegial so uh you know I started reading last night I actually put on my Apple Vision Pro and my airpod like I had I had like yeah 15 lbs of headgear and uh it was good for about 30 minutes or so so I'm still a big believer in AP though but um yeah we're reading applications right now it's very collegial everyone has you know some thing that they really like but uh you know when when you get an interview at YC you can you you can know that the person that you're sitting across from they picked you out of you know the magic Sorting Hat like there's something special that we saw in you and that'll be true at the interview that'll be true if we fund you and that'll be true for the life of the company that like you have someone who you can talk to who's you know right there with you how when you go in when a when a when a team goes in to meet with they usually meet with several Partners right and then do you have to have like a is it a you know everyone has to vote Yes is it hey if just one partner says yes and then then you kind of join their cohort yep all it takes is one person to believe and then uh the person who believes is your person yeah is there any is there any sort of backtrack hey remember when I supported this team and you know or it like it does it do you see that do you see a correlation to long-term success of like multiple partners supporting someone versus one partner or all it just takes one you know but I think that that's the crazy thing about startups um I mean even for my startup I remember uh you you always remember the people who believe in you at the beginning and that's what I think YC Done Right is extra amazing about like you just have all you need is one person to believe in you at that moment and uh actually the reason why I came back to YC is it's one of the few places where you get to meet people and believe in them even before they quite believe in themselves and their idea yeah talk to me about San Francisco you you grew up in the Bay Area uh and YC has made this it feels like a there there was already YY presence in San Francisco but it's kind of a big shift there talked to us about why you're doing that and and what thinking is behind that yeah I think it goes back to the the we start at the top of this talking about AI um it's no mistake that open AI uh basically spun out of YC with Sam mman he was in my role many years ago and I could see why he you know went off into the world and realized here's this thing that could happen AGI and then he said you know what I'm going to build it and we're all really glad he did um you know anthropic is actually started by y combinator alumni they're actually in San Francisco as well and so we're actually in this especially interesting moment where how do you do it what does you know how do you take advantage of a larger context window you know what uh what is you know retrieval augmented generation how do I use a vector database you know how do I test my prompts what's the tooling around it this is sort of the same moment that happened in Silicon Valley when uh you know I I I would argue when Oracle came up or when sbase came up it's like what sequel what's you know third normal form like how do these things actually work once again the the uh Revolution is led by the technology and the technologists are in San Francisco and the coffee you know the coffee meetups like the uh the you know we're going to have uh YC launch live at uh YC Friday evenings like every other week like to actually show real products you know uh a lot of the tech blogs and the let's just explain what that is that's where people can come demo their products other YC companies and things is that right and their friends I think yeah that's right we're just going to throw uh I think back to what Mike uh Michael Arrington did with TechCrunch and uh the TechCrunch parties that he had we're going to try and rekindle that with the best builders in the world right there who've moved here to San Francisco to build the future and I think that that's a really important and beautiful thing about San Francisco you know I'm who here is a fan of Star Trek the Next Generation or the Star Trek franchise I know there are a lot of you out there imagine you know there was no mistake that uh Gene Roddenberry chose San Francisco as the home of Starfleet command like we believe technology can remake all of society and that's more true now than like right at this moment than like really almost any time like I pinch myself to to that we get to live in this time right now and then people from around the world like immigrants the smartest people the smartest Engineers the smartest designers the smartest part product people the smartest marketers the smartest CEOs have congregated in you know this crazy 49 square mile place and you know honestly the bay area as well and we need to make San Francisco as vibrant as possible so that it's open to any immigrant who wants to build that future and build something that touches a billion people there are I think thousands of I don't know if you know how many but YC Alam that are actually here and so I guess that you kind of have that Network effect of people actually being that huge there's a huge part of the network that's here um do you feel like you know in terms of starting and founding your company you did your last batch back in person everyone was back here believe they they didn't have to be from here stay here I I don't think or did they uh a good majority of people now probably more than 50% uh are staying in San the San Francisco Bay area and maybe 20 to 30% are staying in San Francisco proper within even a few miles of the YC campus uh right in Dog Patch so we think like Mission Bay Dog Patch uh you petero Hill uh you know I love Mission Dolores like there are places that are incredibly High concentration of the best Builders and you want to be right next to them so that you can actually take advantage of every other day uh there's some crazy Innovation that's happening so do you do you if if I if I'm in if I'm a founding team and I'm you know in some other place outside of California or outside the Bay Area like do you advise come here and stay here do you advise come here do YC leave do you like what what do you how do what do you say come here apply to YC uh get plugged in with all the best Builders of your generation uh stay in San Francisco and go all in right now because there is uh just this moment for you know brand new um uh elements on the per Periodic Table of startups are being discovered right now and guess what you all are the physicists uh I want to talk about AI I want to just as as we finish on San Francisco you uh in what I have seen to be extremely Brave uh and uh an un envious position from where I'm sitting but you've taken up the sort of charge to try to fix uh some of the really tough things that are happening in San Francisco and in the bay it's absolutely happening down here too and in the Bay Area why have you done that uh where where does the passion come from and what do you hope happens over the next couple of years or is that is that too soon are we looking out a decade two decades before we can expect anything what do you think great question uh the amazing thing about San Francisco is we're actually about uh personally I feel like I'm three years into the project so uh we got rid of a sitting district attorney we removed three school board members who wanted to remove algebra from public middle schools unbelievable um we actually won multiple uh we actually won back half of the uh Board of Supervisors and we're going to take the other half in November and as long as we keep the mayor we actually will have fixed San Francisco at least from the leadership standpoint then the real work begins it's a$1 14 billion budget there's a crazy amount of grift and graft from nonprofits that's just the beginning but to even get here is something that I think uh is a pretty enduring story in a time when you know the world is more divided than ever but we're rallying around the simplest possible things that we could want we want Safe Streets we want super strong public schools and we want to build housing so that you know we can house all of the immigrants from around the world who want to come and create Starfleet command and that's so [Applause] powerful one of the things that's really most incredible to me about the work that you do there is your optimism because as I think about it and I look around it's so easy I've been here since I came here for an internship in 2005 and it's just so easy to get uh discouraged with how things have progressed but I see you like making real progress and and fighting really hard things and yet keeping your optimism like how do you do that well I work in startups so you kind of have to be uh almost pathological Optimist but I actually think we have really good reason to be very op optimistic both about startups and about uh politics because it's the same skills um how do you find something that we you know I believe X but nobody else believes it yet and it's the same skill to uh teach someone that you know I've built something that is of Great Value it's the same skill as uh hey there's um a hole in the boat and we need to fix we need to plug the boat and if we don't plug the boat the whole boat will sink and we don't want that right it's uh it's the same thing it's a what a startup is and what a political uh movement is they're both social movements and uh how does that happen it happens through first people like real people power actually going out getting out of your room getting out of you know uh your computer even you know getting out of um you know Twitter and going to meet people in real life like who are your real users who are your real customers who uh who's you know the person working on the nonprofit that is on the front lines of the fenel epidemic let's go meet them like go talk to your users go talk to the people who are out there and then form your own mental model for um you know what is needed what's happening what could I do and then go and do just that one thing do the unscalable thing right like if it's a raise a dollar raise a dollar if it's uh you know to go and protest something or go to a a a local city council meeting just so you can hear what the argument is like go do that like do the unscalable thing and then harness that raise money raise awareness and then suddenly like people are talking about it suddenly something changed a little thing changed like not something really huge but something small enough that you can take that win and you can go explain it to someone else and then you have another donor you have another like it's it's crazy the overlap between doing a startup and trying to move Society in a political way wow if you make it sound so easy it's not easy none of it's easy it's scary it's scary AF right it is it is incredibly simple but for the same reason that a a startup is hard yeah you know you're you're not going to get a yes every single day right in fact a lot of people are going to say No in fact some people you know I got um death threats and uh you know a home you I got my home doxed yesterday on Twitter and so it's not going to be easy but how is that different than being a Founder who you lost your best customer that day right like it's I mean intense but like these things can happen and you can just move on like there are just ways about it that like the founder gets up and says you know what I'm going to keep soldiering because I know that I believe X and everyone is going to believe that soon well is somebody who didn't leave during the pandemic who stayed here who's raised a family of four kids here and trying to make sense of some of the things going on I just want to say that you and what you're doing although I don't tweet about it and I you know don't shout about it from the rooftops but like in my home it's super inspiring and I do talk to my kids about some of the things you're doing and the Coalition that you're building and I hope once you can fix the Bay Area maybe you can go fix you know some other bigger problems we have in the country I don't know but I appreciate it um really really grateful genuinely grateful for what you're doing um why is Okay so uh you had demo day just recently in the last few weeks um and you've just now had applications Clos on the next batch um uh AI is we've we've we've seen these different ways you mentioned web 2 you know there was uh you know we've we've seen crypto we've seen web 3 we've seen you know SAS we've seen all these different things kind of come how is AI different bigger like how is you know there's this sort of criticism that it is you know oh it's just the new you know tech people are trying to Market you know their software in a new way how how is it from where you sit fundamentally different from some of these other Trends we've seen over the the last few decades I think the most powerful idea that I've heard recently uh it it was actually from uh one of the earliest large 9figure exit uh Founders so Jake heler from case text um you know Mega AI win he sold that company for 600 million dollar to Thompson Reuters uh he was actually one of the first people to get access to g gp4 wow and uh he pivoted it was actually eight-year-old company he pivoted hard pivoted the company uh to go all in on adding intelligence and uh a co-pilot for lawyers and uh it was so important that uh you know I think that Thompson reuter saw that and said oh The Times They are changing and we need to we need to buy this before we get run over by it and um I think the most interesting thing he told me because he was you know he's still on The Cutting Edge of building um large language models that are extremely practical that solve real problems like this is something that turbocharges lawyers and he said you know based on what I'm seeing right now it's going to be possible that you have companies worth a billion dollars even driving a billion dollars Revenue that only have five employees and I heard Sam Alman recently make it an even better meme which is you're going to have companies um with a billion dollars Revenue that have only one founder which is uh I admit 10 times better about five times better meme but um I think that that's a really powerful moment to you sort of understand what this might mean like I I don't know for certain if that happens and in fact like you know after uh you know Jake spoke to uh my set of companies in YC about this most of the questions were a little bit about Society like what's going to happen to all the jobs and I don't claim to have a sense for what's going to happen there um but I think it's more for this audience like this is sort of the Revolution that could happen that you could bring about and it doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to displace jobs in fact the better version of it is actually the co-pilot like I actually think that we will have hopefully more knowledge workers who are way supercharged who can do work that is far more interesting far more valuable than uh and you know if you're a Founder what that might mean and you know I spend a lot of time with uh companies that have a thousand employees 10,000 employees some of the biggest uh you know startups in the valley and elsewhere and uh you know behind closed doors the biggest frustration really is how you know running a company of that size the bureaucratic he headache is like trying to get anything done is a nightmare and I think that that's where that's exactly where uh Ai and large language models as a source of general intelligence it's such a powerful moment like why not why why can't there be a better way to manage teams of thousands of people like and you know we're seeing these like very interesting weird uh very early demos of things that could help uh I saw you know zapier is a great YC company yest uh and they just released uh zapier Central and their core demo I thought was fascinating you uh you know just using natural language you hook up uh slack you pick out you tell who your direct reports are it reads all of your slack messages and then autog generates uh a Google drive with what your next one-on-one could be about and they do it like in a live demo on stage in you know five or 10 minutes that's one of the things that uh they did at our YC launch event recently and I'm like that's crazy like that's actually why these launch events are so fascinating because like it's it's back to 2008 when like you could have a demo it's like oh I I've never I didn't even know that comp computers could do that I do you I I think it's because of posterous but do you see yourself as like a consumer founder like is consumer at your core is that just is that oh yeah definitely I love it yeah so so talk to us about I feel like um I mean ai's had this huge impact on consumers well there's like this wave like oh consumer cool again uh like I'm excited about that what what are you seeing like what why is that and you know why is consumer you know maybe an opportunity for for startups yeah absolutely I you know uh so for those who don't know I ran a uh Startup Cup posterous it was a dead simple blogs by email and uh thanks for sorry we it didn't work out we ended up selling it to Twitter but not the worst yeah it was I mean uh I'm happy about it but um you know I would rather have uh run Instagram obviously uh we actually flat our our growth actually flatlined the day uh Instagram came out wow um and so for Founders in the audience that that's probably the hardest thing that you actually like that's why YC exists to some degree I think and that's why I like to work with Founders like it actually really helps to have someone right next to you to try to help you make sense of like the fog of War like we didn't actually know why we were growing we were just growing at that moment we didn't know why we stopped growing we thought it was five other things only in 2020 hindsight can you go back and look at it but you know history uh like we said you history uh you know does not repeat but it does rhyme and so what I think's happening with consumer AI right now is that um you know you remember Instagram then there was snap and then there was sort of this uh moment where there was Anonymous social networks whether it was like secret or Yik Yak uh and you know I was a very early invest very early investor in secret and it actually really informed my understanding of consumer where as you went further out on the consumer Spectrum the uh retention cohort curve started dipping down and then uh the weird thing about Secret in particular was like it actually was very high and then at some point people decided this is bad for my life and then it went from like very high retention to zero retention which I which I had never seen before um but I think that that's actually a really useful thing for any consumer uh uh both investors but also Founders uh to think about right now um if you look at consumer categories broadly you could just look at uh the long-term cohort retention posteres was actually 20% Which is right at the minimum of what you need longterm in order to run a business of any value which is interesting I learned that from my friend suel Doshi who ran mix panel at the time and uh you know he he said that he saw quite a few he saw all the things that worked and all the things that didn't get everyone's data coming through so he wouldn't never say whose data it was but in aggregate it was 20% long-term cohort retention that really mattered and so you know to put that in perspective it means uh one in five people who try your product use it forever H so and that's why consumer fell off a cliff because you know obviously you could say too many people tried too many things but uh at the same time like the marginal consumer startup uh you know consumer fell off a cliff when the the next Consumer startup could not hit that one in5 people stick with the thing forever of course like valuable companies are uh if you take a corporate finance class it turns out it's not you know what your VC says your valuation is it's actually uh you know the net present value of all future cash flows and that actually Maps directly to uh long-term cohort retention and of course we're on the on the eve of the release of one of the greatest uh consumer startup you know sort of uh straight up lines in you know the past recent history in chat GPT so you know if you put two and two together of course consumer AI Now's the Time for that because you have this entire generation of things that were like maybe a little bit too marginal just under that line of 20% but when you have you know literally a human like a humanlike intelligence that could interact with people that could uh you know know everything about you and like also make you feel things that normally you wouldn't be able like you we we humans like crave interaction We crave Love We crave presence We crave to be understood and here's a thing here's a a alien intelligence but an alien intelligence that never gets tired that will always be there that you know anyone could prompt I mean it's a general intelligence and it's only going to get better from here like of course consumer AI is back yeah well I mean what's interesting is that inpire of all the connectivity and the tooling and the devices and everything that we have humans are lonier than they've ever been in the history of humankind and virtually everyone feels loneliness at some degree but huge percentage of the population P all over the world maybe it's a little bit worse in Western Europe than it is in the United States or vice versa depending on the stats but like do you think AI increases this trend on loneliness and sort of isolation of humans do you think it has the potential to unlock and and change some of the sort of negative trends that the technology some technology has had on you know on our sort of Human Experience yeah I mean I I don't know if these companies are going to go all the way but I'm very excited about a couple of these you know I funded a company called Maya in the um relationship counseling space so imagine uh some you know an alien intelligence that's infinitely smart and never gets tired right there helping you live your best life with the most one of your most important uh life partners with your with your spouse like how powerful is that like if that could work you know uh I think much has been made about a virtual or AI girlfriend boyfriend like I think that that's kind of the road are you pointing at me sorry I don't love you Erica wherever you are that's right but uh I mean I think that's that's an interesting like Point Counterpoint right like uh the technology can bring us to a point where we are less connected to human beings or it can certainly be something that uh connects us more to other human beings and it's a choice it's actually kind of up to you like what do you want to work on um I wanted to just ask you about uh chat GPT and startups building tools sort of on top of it adjacent to it they've come out and and said you know hey like we're going where we're going so you know kind of extrapolate from that what you will what do you advise startups that are like hey I've got this great idea I'm just it's basically you know this plus chat GPT or this like how do I know if I've got something that has a staying power versus like I'm going to be you know sort of consumed by you know that rock that's already going down the hill in the next few months yeah I mean I think basically uh this maybe goes back to the Lean Startup versus fat startup thing like if you are a multi-time founder and you've already had exits and all that maybe go do the fat startup right maybe you do the fat consumer startup but for people who are starting out actually all of the opportunity I think is in uh picking off a vertical where you know you and your co-founder can fight tooth and nail for that one set of users and it doesn't have to be you know uh the 10 or hundred billion dollar company you're trying to find that one thing that could get you to $100 million a year revenue and it turns out like that's the best thing like you could be the don't try to make the thing for all lawyers you can make it just for say appellant lawyers are just like this particular type and you can make the thing that solves all the problems that you know basically beats everyone else in that one narrow thing like two or three people can do that and carve out something that's great and then once you get there then you have options right like you're driving 1020 million a year in Revenue you actually don't even maybe need to raise money outside you could just start growing it organically out of cash flow then you own a lot of your business like that's great like that's the kind of stuff that can happen now yeah d That's I was going to ask you that based off of what we were talking about earlier this this like one person can start a billion dollar company do you think that person needs to go through YC or or or raise even the smallest amount of capital or should they do you think they just figure out how to do it bootstrapping I mean I we hope they do I think bootstrapping is great I have lots of friends who do it in fact we have a lot of uh some of the most amazing YC companies never raised a dime outside of their demo day round uh zapier being one of them actually and so you know that's absolutely you know taking YC money doesn't uh preclude being extremely Capital efficient and issuing like the VC World entirely um I guess the weird thing about YC is that we basically give away all the advice and the principles for free and uh the reason to do it is actually uh the accountability and the network and the people around you who will actually help lift you up in that sort of moment when things aren't going well uh you know you can read about things all the time but you truly are the uh average of like the 10 or 20 people you spend all your time with and uh I think that's something as you know it's kind of like the Hair Club for Men like I'm not just the president I'm also a client like uh I remember going through my startup life and thank God there are people who are old enough that is this another reference at me definitely but uh I you know I was I was giving that talk to um a group of 18 to 22 year olds and that that joke totally fell flat so I really appreciate laugh but um yeah I I think that having people around you to actually lift you up at that moment that's actually uh you know YC is actually a guild for Founders okay the last thing I that's a that's a beautiful way to say it the last thing I was just going to ask you is um I'm thinking of myself working at Electronic Arts in 20072 2008 trying to get the courage to quit my job and I wonder what you would say to somebody who's thinking about doing a startup who is trying to make sense of if they can or should what what would you say to that person about why they should give doing a a startup a chance oh man I actually have a very important thing for that person to understand um and the scariest thing to learn and I actually think that YC is very good at trying to teach this uh but it's the difference between um starting a startup via mimesis so just taking the values of other people and uh you know seeing you know oh who invested oh is it a hot space I read in Tech crunch that blah blah blah like this blogger or this you know or even me it's like oh Gary tan tweeted about blah like I should do a startup about that like that's living life purely from other people's uh you know sort of mimetic Desire it's like that's not coming from a place of you know authenticity or yourself actually that's allowing like Society to come and just sort of dictate to you what's important and what's valuable I find it much more important if to think uh in a first principal way what have I seen what have I seen that nobody else has seen uh you know what customers or problems do I know about that nobody else knows about what technologies can I build that I genuinely think like that's kind of a stretch for me to try to do but I think I could do it like living life in sort of a first principles way um not from like copying others but like being true to yourself uh that's the thing that I'm you know I'm read I read like I don't know 300 applications last night wow um and then I think that was the thing that really jumped out at me like it's kind of obvious read it can you you can read oh yeah you can see it immediately in the application like is this person living by uh pure mimesis like just things that I read about that like oh this is a startup it's it's sort of like playing startup house right or you know the the best people I love to work with they teach me something every single day it's like I was in this room this thing happened like you know uh your opening eye does blah but guess what people don't want that thing they want this other thing and I know because I talked to 10 people and I I built this thing and now they're using that like that is real authentic understanding of what's going on and that's what I want to understand like I don't want don't give me the what's hot or what I saw seoa say or what Andre said or what even initialized said whatever like I don't care about that I want to hear what you have to say and I want to know how you know that thing and that that alone will allow you to create things that nobody else in the world has created yet Gary Tan White combinator thank you so much thanks that was awesome

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Published: Fri Apr 26 2024