Full New Elon Musk Interview at ONS 2022 Norway with Timestamps

a man whose business achievements need no introduction the founder the CEO and the chief engineer at SpaceX yes I am talking about you the CEO and the product architect of Tesla angel investor a disrupter he's also a man who's had some very interesting things to say on the theme of this conference on trust he's described himself as being obsessed with truth he believes in sunlight being the great disinfectant Elon Musk please do join me such programs oh so welcome here let me start tell us how you think about trust well I I believe in trust and transparency and the pursuit of Truth in general um but I mean first let me just take a moment to say thank you for inviting me and it's an incredible honor to be here um so uh I love no way so and um and I I just want to to thank um the leaders and the the people of Norway for their long-standing support of electric vehicles and sustainable energy and I just want you know the people of Norway to know that hey you really made a difference and uh you know so I thank you okay well thank you for joining us but I'm still going to come back to the question tell me tell me how do you think about trust well I think there's um I mean that's that's really quite a philosophical question it is and uh one could wax on at length about that um I guess um you know um we talk about Twitter I was told that's the one topic I'm not to talk about so I'm going to avoid it well they both start with a t I suppose um well I mean I do think that with respect to information um you know generally people want to know the information that they're receiving is uh accurate uh that it is a representative of the full picture um and they want to be able to believe what they read and and not feel that it's overly biased or at least understand the nature of the bias so I think um one of the key things to trust is transparency and people to really know you know if there's like a social media company or something to understand what the algorithm is so to open source the algorithms so people can look at it and critique it and it's not a black box um and then if there are any modifications done by people at that social media company that they're clear and again transparent um and so it's not hidden um and um and I end up you know I believe in the the sort of free flow of ideas um and uh and just generally urring on the side of free speech uh within the boundaries of the law within the boundaries of the law it's a great place to start isn't it yeah I think you can't go sort of beyond that without being arrested I think let's move on shall we um you've been a great disrupter of Technology technological models and energy and space where is the unexplored area for disruption well you know I'd like the word disruption um I mean I don't aim to disrupt for the sake of disrupting you know um it's more like there's um thinking about what set of actions what set of actions are most likely to lead to a better future and so um you know in order one of the things obviously in order to for Humanity to have a compelling future for civilization is that we must have a clear path to a sustainable energy future that's one of the things that I think everyone I think would agree with um now I actually I'm not someone who who tend to sort of demonize oil and gas to be clear um this is necessary uh right now or civilization could not function so I do think we actually need um and actually at this time I think we actually need more oil and gas not less um but but simultaneously uh moving as fast as we can to a sustainable energy economy I thought the words the Prime Minister were just spot on you know it's um and I'm glad to hear that there's a large effort for uh ocean wind because that's uh that that's a I think a massive untapped potential um I would say go even more than what the Prime Minister said frankly it's like that's uh you know I mean if you did 100 by 100 array um of 10 megawatt systems you'd have 100 gigawatt capability so and then you do need to combine that with a stationary storage battery packs to buffer the energy because sometimes the wind blows and sometimes it doesn't blow it just blows hard and so so you need you need to buffer it with with battery packs stationary battery packs and Tesla and other companies are also making that so that the sort of the three uh pillars of a sustainable energy future are sustainable energy generation which is a hydro geothermal wind solar I'm also Pro nuclear I mean I think it's we should really keep going with the nuclear plants I know this may be an unpopular view in some quarters but I think if you have a well-designed nuclear power plant you should not shut it down um especially right now um so um but I I try to say what I what I think is uh you know scientifically cogent even if it is not popular so um and um anyway so if the propellers are sustainable energy generation but then must also store the energy uh because many of the the two main sources of of sustainable energy wind and solar are intermittent the wind doesn't always blow the sun doesn't always shines so you must uh buffer the energy in in stationary battery packs and then the third element obviously is electric vehicles so electric cars trucks uh aircraft boats uh with the ironic exception of rockets um um but but I we do have a plan for uh sustainably producing the rocket repellent which is actually uh almost 80 percent uh liquid oxygen so liquid oxygen you can get uh from obviously from the atmosphere um and then we're going with a methane uh fuel uh which is 20 of the propellant but that you can make uh also sustainably long term uh from CO2 and uh water H2O which produces CH4 and O2 so that's the sort of sustainable long-term path for Rocket propellant generation and that's how it would have to be done on Mars for example um so not electrifying quite yet um we are we do actually have sustainable power generation for some of our propellant generation already but it's it's a small percentage now but it will be a big percentage in the future okay yeah so what do you you know you've got to say the energy in Industry here but that's probably an exaggeration you've got a you know pretty pretty significant set of the energy industry here um if you were to look ahead 5 10 15 years what is the disruption going to look like in the energy industry well I think we'll see tremendous change over the next five 10 or 15 years um I say like you've sailed by by 20 30 I would say probably half of all new cars made will be electric 20 30 half of all new cars that's my guess yeah um by 2035 it might be 80 or something like that um I think it could be even higher than those numbers but the the um the car industry is moving rapidly towards electric and uh you know one country after another and one state after another is uh making uh zero emission mandates California recently passed uh uh zero emission mandate new class sold in California I think 2035 can only be um zero emission so the UK is as well yeah yeah exactly so it's it's clearly the people of the Earth yeah people of Earth have decided this is the way to go um and so I think this is so we'll see quite a tremendous change in in that regard um and if you look at the streets of Norway you actually see an advanced version of that because Norway has it um some of the highest uh noise I believe gone to majority electric vehicles uh of new cars sold which is which is great again thank you um so um yeah so it's pretty cool so if I if I pick up on that idea so the future the biggest change you see for the energy industry is electrification electric car vehicles uh light transport maybe heavy transport um what does that mean about Supply chains so if you kind of roll that backwards what is the supply chain going to be what are you worried about if we're going to meet that rise yeah so the interesting thing is that you say like what is the what are the limiting factors governing the rate at which the world can transition to sustainable energy um and I think it's the rate at which uh one can grow uh battery production okay so then if you say what what are the constituents in the battery um in Lithium-ion batteries it's uh you've obviously got lithium um you've got a cathode which is the the main cathode materials are going to be a metal and that's uh nickel manganese and iron and on the anode side it's primarily uh carbon graphite um and um so in essential sequester sequestering a little bit of carbon in the battery um and and with some silicon added for energy density on the anode side and then there's the electrolyte and whatnot so it's it's it's it's it's and and the main limitation is actually not that these metals are except nationally rare but that there's a tremendous amount of processing equipment to take the ore and turn it into battery grade materials because the battery grade Android and cathode have to be extremely pure in order for the battery to last for a long time and so it's it's sort of processing of those elements and I'm sort of writing this sort of Master Plan part three which is what are the steps needed to scale a sustainable energy and again what are the limiting factors and and how can we potentially accelerate these so hopefully finish that in a month or two so do you want to give us a preview what you know what are the what are the you know what are the gating functions if you will that we need to get over what are the what are the big uh steps well the materials that I mentioned are are really essential it's generation it's processing yes there's actually there's not a raw material constraint so there's actually a tremendous amount of lithium lithium is almost everywhere um it's it's one of the most common elements on Earth so it's iron and so is carbon um and then on the iron you usually combine phosphorus so it's iron phosphate um so that'll probably be the the biggest uh chemistry that's used um so it's not so much the raw materials as it is converting the raw materials into um the highly purified form that can be used in batteries and so that's a tremendous amount of of processing needs to happen for that um really at this at the sort of scale that is currently uh you know comparable to the world oil and gas industry so it's a the scale is just tremendous so so this is all happening and it's happening fast it's just a question of how can we what can we do to potentially accelerate that and we can go even faster this is all happening it's just a question of when and are you going to give us the answer to that what can we do to accelerate it to make it happen even faster if we're going to be 50 new electric vehicles sold uh in what eight years you said I think I think that's actually where we're trending okay even if we if even if we just keep doing the things we're currently doing okay okay yeah so so it's pretty big you don't see a limiting function at the moment no I don't I don't see a limiting functions it's really just um how many years will it take us and all that actions we can what actions can we take to have it read faster and it's going to be increasing the rate at which we can convert the uh or into battery grade materials that will set the rate at which we can build electric vehicles and stationary battery packs to capture a solar in a wind okay um so is this all you know basically what I'm saying is is this is an optimistic and positive message um and I'm not suggesting at all complacency um but just saying that things are moving in a good direction and but obviously if we can make them go even faster that's better and a lot of this happens in China right at the moment today so yes yes so you said last year that you thought trust in China would improve prove post-covet so do you think that's happened do you see China as an investment opportunity today well Tesla is actually investing in uh production in in China so we have a large Factory in Shanghai and we are continuing to expand output and invest in that factory but we're also investing in Europe with our Factory just outside of Berlin and in the US with our new Factory just outside of Austin so and we hope to announce a location for another gigafactory perhaps later this year so we're going as fast as we can and I've always said that the I would say like when you look at Tesla the fundamental good Tesla does I think some measured by profit but rather uh by how many years will Tesla have accelerated the transition to sustainable energy this is how I think of success yes yes yes I think we have accelerated it to some degree already um you know I think it wasn't for Tesla the the car industry would have transitioned to EVS much later so exponential curve or straight line it is uh somewhat it is an exponential curve yes okay you know you're making me use my chemistry and my maths which I haven't done in yeah a few decades most people don't know what an X dimensional code means but it's a I I think most people in this room maybe this room yes yes this room they know yes yes yeah I thought so I've got a logarithmic curve look now that's optimistic can you do it uh no I think I think the the things are improving exponentially with respect to sustainable energy so okay uh but if you can make it go faster a little bit better so how do we go from exponential to logarithmic well I no I think you thought about this I know you've thought about this logarithmic is is actually fast in the beginning but slow at the end so I think we we actually what will actually happen is is a transition from uh following is following an S curve so you have an exponential increase then linear and then logarithmic um and that's that's basically how any transition large industrial transition happens I think I'm going to get off math now because I could get into trouble um approach to risk how would you talk about that I'm back to philosophy I'm safer in philosophy well I think it because I mean I I don't sort of like you know just arbitrarily uh secret um I think there's you know some things are risky but if this you know if the stakes are important enough then you take the risk because and today the stakes are important enough um yes I mean mistakes are very extremely important very fundamental to the Future yes because you take I'm guessing I'm just you know I don't know everybody in this room but my guess is is that you take significantly more risk than possibly anybody in this room but certainly more than 95 of the people in this room what what allows you to take those risks are you faster are You Smarter do you think differently what do you do differently that allows you to do something that most people hear smarter they are can't do well I think there's probably a lot of people in this room that do take a lot of risks but we've got to volunteer but but I really like no no I want to hear what Elon has to say about how he takes risks that way I literally just tried to use a scientific method frankly and uh you know consider the um you know what what is the importance of the outcome and what uh what what is one risking in order to achieve that outcome and uh but like I said if the outcome is important enough even if the probability of success is low one was I think still still do it in my view um you know some things are very important and if to in order to have a good future and if we don't do them well they're in big trouble and so I and then then how much the risk really is it because if we don't take those actions we won't have a good future um and I think the riskiest thing would be no action so it's almost as though it's really not a risk it's not a choice at all not really yeah okay I think it's wonderful that you can change the world because you really can change the world and you have you have the um ability to do what in many cases not even governments can do I mean I I as I was doing a little bit of research for this panel um one of the data points that I saw is you were able to turn on if you will the internet in Ukraine in just four hours what what kind of responsibility do you feel as a corporate leader you have when you have that kind of power how do you think well I think it was a bit bit longer than four days but uh it was it was about oh sorry for four hours about four days I think um but but we did we did well we we did have some um guess that maybe there would be something happening in Ukraine and uh and so we did pre-position uh some Starling terminals there uh just in case um so uh that was helpful for the initial uh part of the invasion and then we accelerated delivery of a lot of terminals within a few days of the invasion taking place um and uh the Ukrainian government tells me it's been very helpful um so yeah forethought is the answer perhaps I mean forethought and just moving quickly decisively um yeah so I do hope a piece some piece can be achieved in Ukraine and Russia you know that's um you know I I do think some short some thought should be should be given to you know what's the end game there um and um I think the end game will require some compromise on the part of both parties you've said the fact that there is an AI problem not a transportation problem and you talk about the next big disruption being AI what can AI do to help combat climate change particularly in this period the short-term period as we're transitioning well and a Tesla's goal from from when we started it has always been to accelerate sustainability so that is still our primary goal by far we have a secondary goal which is to solve at least real world intelligence as it applies to self-driving cars and um and then potentially you know with with the humanoid robots um but you know it's and so Tesla is in part an AI company um and increasingly an AI company but it's still primarily a sustainable energy company um I think um AI what I do I I don't think we need AI to solve sustainability that is that is happening it might help us accelerate it um but I think we should also be cautious about Ai and just make sure that as we develop AI that it is you know it doesn't get out of control and and that uh that the AI helps make the future better for Humanity and that's something I know you're working quite a lot on I think we should be more worried about AI safety than we currently are yeah especially you know the future Wars are really going to be and we're seeing a taste of that within in Ukraine uh very much uh drone Wars so if your drawings are better than their drones then you went basically it's what will happen has it always been um no that's going to be it hasn't been that but it will it will be um final question we've just got a minute what keeps you up at night and what are you doing about it or do you sleep soundly every night well there's the the two main technical I mean fundamentally a technologist it's like a kind of important engineer too so you know so much people call me like a businessman I guess I have to do business you have to have a group of people because I can't just do this in a garage by myself um but I'm fundamentally an engineer or technologist and so the two uh the two technologies I'm focused on trying to ideally get done before the end of the year are getting our Starship uh to orbit which I think is important for expanding Consciousness uh beyond Earth um and life beyond Earth and and then uh having the Tesla cars be able to do self-driving um so it have self-driving in wide release at least in the US and hopefully uh potentially in Europe depending on regulatory approval great goals to have and I wish you luck thank you so much for joining us thank you from the audience thank you please ladies and gentlemen Elon Musk thank you so much real pleasure

Channel: Tesla Intelligence UK

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Keywords: elon, fsd, roadster, cyberstruck, grimes, baby

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Length: 24min 43sec (1483 seconds)

Published: Thu Sep 01 2022