Forensic expert says gun residue found on Alex Murdaugh's hands, jacket: full video

on a live a live person human being blood flowing yes sir um is there a period of time after which sleds guidelines say we won't um try to determine if there's gunshot primaries yes sir what what is that Beyond six hours we will not analyze a GSR kit from a living individual and the reason that we will not analyze that is because in-house studies as well as peer-reviewed published Studies have shown that gunshot residue so readily transfers and so red is so readily removed around four to six hours that Beyond six hours it couldn't be tied back to initials to an initial incident and what's the common sense answer why that's you won't do it after six hours so if you shoot a gun as soon as you put that gun down you essentially start to remove those gunshot primary residue particles they aren't destroyed but you're simply transferring them to other objects you might be putting your hands in your pocket you might touch a steering wheel you might wash your hands and that would remove most if not all of the particles so beyond that four hours you're really looking at the total removal of those particles so if you didn't wash your hands just just just everyday living or touching could after over four hours you wouldn't want to or six hours I think you said it is now six hours is our policy but an in-house study with um with controlled participants where we inform them that they weren't allowed to wash their hands and told them to basically stick to clerical work we really saw that drop off around four hours if you did wash your hands and you know somebody washed their hands they told you hey I washed my hands would you test it we would okay but would you expect most of them to be gone at that point from washing your hands it depends on how well you wash your hands um we expect most of it to be gone but we've seen it to still be present even after somebody's washed our hands and and you did a little bit but if you can do a little bit more for me um gunshot primer residue is there a certain I mean how do you determine is it is there a certain distance vicinity shooting I mean what are you looking for in determining whether gunshot rights is President whether someone was in the vicinity to get it determine when we're looking for gunshot primer residue is one where the in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm were they shooting a firearm or is it simply transfer and in most cases we can't determine whether it's vicinity which includes shooting or is uh simply transfer discharge vicinity which this means are you close to it uh yeah so vicinity can be two to three feet to either side of the shooter and outwards of about 60 feet in front of the shooter discharge vicinity and transfer what do you mean by transfer so you can get TR you can get gunshot residue on your hands from an object that already has gunshot residue on it or from a person who has gunshot residue on them so if somebody else shoots a gun and you shake their hands you could get gunshot residue on your hand that way you could also touch a recently fired or a dirty weapon and get gunshot residue on your hands that way so if I was if you had just fired a firearm and I came up to shake your hand could I get it from that that is possible okay if I reached under to grab you to turn you could I get it if you had been shot with gunshot resident all right so gunshot residue does travel with the path of the bullet so we do expect to find it on victims who have sustained gunshot wounds and around that gunshot wound specifically we do expect to find gunshot primary residue particles so if you touched that area there is the possibility of transfer okay and again if you don't mind me touching your own arm if you had gunshot raised on your arm and I did that could I get it that is a possibility as well and what's that called uh so in that case uh that would be secondary or tertiary transferred transferred from one item you're to me yes sir all right and the other way is if I fired the final yes sir and if I fire the firearm where would you or where do you look for to see if somebody's fired up with based on what they're wearing like if I was wearing this right now I'm firing something here and you had this jacket where would you look for potential gunshot residence sir if I knew that that was what that you were wearing at the time of the shooting we would sample from the right sleeve of the jacket the right chest area of the jacket the left sleeve of the jacket and the left chest area of the jacket we may also want to sample the tie because it's the center on your chest and then the right side of your pants and the left side of your pants and then your shoes are also a possibility why is that I because your shoes are also in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm sometimes we get results off of them sometimes we don't okay and would you test my hands that would be the best evidence is the hands because the hands will allow us to link it to a specific incident within six hours whereas clothing we can't tell you when it got there and that's because on an inanimate object such as clothing that gunshot primer residue is going to stay until it's actively removed so you would have to brush it off you would have to wash it off you would have to do some activity to actually remove it from the clothing and that was the next thing I was getting into you beat me to it so but if I just shot and washed my hands off potentially I could have washed it all gunshot primer gunshot primer residue off correct correct okay but on inanimate objects and you just said it and I apologize how long can gunshot residue stay on uh indefinitely if it just if you don't touch it if you're not actively moving it around or washing it it can stay until it's removed okay now let's just say I'm dead okay okay and I got shot a few feet he shot me okay I thought that would you expect to have gunshot residue on me uh it depends on the firearm but in general yes and why is that all right so the gunshot primer residue comes out a large majority of the gunshot primer residue comes out the muzzle of the firearm and not only does it come out the muzzle with a firearm but it also follows the path of the bullet and so wherever that bullet's going it it's going to follow behind it and and the follow-up to that is do is it Sledge recommendation now if you know like me I've been shot do y'all test for gunshot or will you test for gunshot residue owner deceased person who you know has been killed with found a sled will not test uh on victims who have sustained gunshot wounds and we have not been testing on those victims since January of 2022. and prior to that was that your policy not to do that or recommend to local law enforcement agencies not to do that we didn't have an official policy but we were recommending it due to the lack of probative information that you could gain from it and just say that one more time what do you mean by the lack of probative information so like I said before gunshot residue can only put somebody in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm or it could say that they transfer gunshot residue on them so it's just putting gunshot Prime residue on them a victim's already of a gunshot wound has already been established to be in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm so it doesn't add any additional information to the case now there's still other items like stippling which you're not do you know about stippling based in your field of expertise that's not in my field of expertise now let's let's get to this case uh forensic scientist Megan Fletcher did you have an occasion to examine some items for a potential uh gunshot primer residue yes sir I did well I think we have these marked so I can find them shirt in the pants I'm going to try to take these in the dates the order that you chronological order of when you examine follow me I do and I'm going to show you what Mark States 4 18. and uh if you do you want you like gloves okay and I think we also have some here I thought we had a home box here I think that there you got something and why are you using gloves I use gloves um to protect myself and to protect the evidence uh it's I don't want to put any of my DNA or any of anything that might be on myself onto the evidence and I don't want anything that might be on the evidence on me and and not just gloves in your laboratory and I I thought I asked you to bring one but do you wear a um laptop uh when we process uh clothing we do uh where uh lab coats and that helps protect us from um our regular clothes from uh transferring over any evidence onto or not evidence but any of materials over onto the evidence that's protect that's to protect the evidence really as much as you isn't it yes sir okay so you have a lab coat and gloves before you start looking at these items uh well this also has a DNA request on it you usually the requests are also on the outside of the box and gloves on when you're in the lab looking at these yes but because it has a DNA request we also have a mascot okay well thank you for that okay you have a mask in addition to that yes okay please open 418 and tell the jury what it is a question [Applause] uh this is sled lab l21-09074 item 19. um I recognize it with our yellow barcode sticker and this is sled lab number l21-09074 item number 20 again with our yellow barcode sticker and what date did you examine these other I didn't physically examine these items uh Jamie Hall would have taken the particle lifts off of these items so her initials and date would be on everything but that um the date that she did that would have been June 8th how do you actually look at them I looked at the she did call me in while she was processing them but I didn't physically take change or custody of these items and I understand that maybe I was jumping ahead in my mind did you have an occasion with Jamie Hall was processing you say she called you in there she did okay come on I she smelled something rather unusual for our evidence our evidence is usually pretty musky smelling and when she opened up item 19 which is the white T-shirt she did smell a strong odor of laundry detergent and I did confirm that with her so she smelled that said hey come in here I want you to see this or whatever did you have could you smell it I could smell the laundry detergent as well smelled like laundry detergent yes sir you also so she she took a sample from there a lift if you will um so you were examining the lifts off the shirt correct correct and the pants correct did you also get to look at the pants that Day on June 8th when uh Miss Hall looked at him I don't remember if I was in there when she processed the shorts but I have seen pictures of that she took up the shorts okay and can you describe the shirt and the shorts when you saw them the pictures of them uh this shirt is a white T-shirt there is some staining on the lower left hand side but relatively clean the green cargo shorts are clean now what did you do um and while we're here did you also uh receive the forensic scientists let's let's start with the shirt okay tell the jury specifically now we got all that tell them specifically what did you do to examine the particles make sure the part we're in a on the scanning electron microscope and how we do that in our lab and how most Laboratories throughout the world actually do it is use a software program to help us out and that's because the particles that we're looking at are so small if if you can imagine two football fields we're actually looking for particles the size of a p on those two part on those two football fields so we use a software that does a little bit of an automated analysis and that automated analysis uses brightness and contrast that's associated with known particles of gunshot primer residue and it does that automated analysis overnight for us and and then the next day or over the weekend whatever it is we come in and then it provides us a list of candidate features it tells us what features that it thinks contain the elements lead barium and antimony as the analyst I then look at those features I relocate to them on the sem so I physically Drive the sem back to that to the location that it saved I look at the particle make sure that it's molten in nature and then I use the energy dispersive x-ray detector to scan the particle to determine whether lead barium and antimony are present and I think Miss Hall described where she took the particle list from can did you determine were there any uh gunshot residue what'd you find on the shirt particles characteristic of gunshot Primal residue were found particles characteristic of gunshot primer residue are microscopic molten particles that contain the elements lead barium and antimony and it can come from uh it can come from being in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm or being transferred from an object that has gunshot primer residue on it no time frame can be provided as to when these particles were trained uh deposited and as far as 418 in evidence the shirt can you tell where the particle lifts were from like from the right sleeve the right chest side can I refer to my notes please please I think is Honorable election so for the white t-shirt from the particle lift that was collected from the right sleeve right chest area two particles characteristic of gunshot primer residue were found and from the left sleeve left chest area the particle lift collected from there one particle characteristic of gunshot Primal residue was found those uh those particle lifts are combined into one result for a result of multiple particles what does that mean that you found two question two particle lifts I mean as far as the amount of particles you found what does that mean in your field of expertise in my opinion is that that object this t-shirt was either in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm or came into contact with something that had gunshot primer residue on it I can't tell you the likelihood which one is more likely to have happened and that's that's your opinion great that's my opinion right now also in 418 and again these were the defendants shirts pants and close it I mean and shoes that we're going to get to in a minute that you're examining correct that's that's my under that's what the chain showed I that's what this may submissions for that thank you now let's go to the pants did you have an occasion to examine a particle list that Miss Hall did yes sir I did okay and uh again and and we may not go through this every time but can you tell the jury what you did again when you were examining the particle list please so the particle lives from the shorts were analyzed same way as the particle lifts from the shirt the same way that we analyze every particle lift that's submitted for gunshot primer residue or collected for gunshot primer residue goes through the automated process I go in I confirm or that there are particles present or that there aren't particles present uh can can you tell me did you locate any particles and where they were on these shorts please yes sir on the right side right groin area there were two particles located and confirmed and then on the left groin area there was one particle located and confirmed and you issued a report what are your findings as a result of finding these particle lists on the shorts that the submission slip said belong to the defendant on States 418. what's your opinion uh particles characteristic of gunshot primer residue were found again my opinion is that that they were these this pair of shorts would were either in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm or a king in contact with something that had gunshot primer residue on it again I can't tell you which is more likely and I can't tell you when those particles were deposited so they could have come from a transfer holding a gun and then putting it on your pants that's correct could have come from being a vicinity of a shot that's correct could they have come from discharging well the shorts themselves can't discharge so in on an inanimate object we just say that they're in the vicinity to the district that's what I meant yeah in the vicinity the vicinity of a discharge yes sir obviously that can't discharge respectfully now um did you have an occasion to examine the list from Adam smirnoff's hands that were lifted by Varnado I believe yes sir I did and they're already in evidence um and you basically after Jamie Hall says hey these are all done right they didn't go to you right uh these are already in evidence that's not true you know I don't think we need to send it because you have an occasion to examine the GSR kit yes sir I did and did you know you've talked about that four hour six hour period again was that checked did you make sure that that was collected in the time period or you wouldn't have performed your examination that's correct not only is it uh checked by the person inventorying in this case Jamie Hall uh before I will sign off on that inventory sheet I also double check the GSR information form that GSR information form that is included in the kit is also scanned so we retain a record of it so that I can go back and double check that it was within the six hours okay so you did that I did all right and as what was your uh did your examination conclude as far as the the particle lift that was taken from the defendant Alex Murdock so one particle lift was collected from his right hand and one from his left hand one particle characteristic of gunshot primer residue was found in general particle was characteristic of gunshot primer residue are microscopic molten particles that contain the elements lead barium and antimony gunshot primer residue can come from the discharging of a firearm being in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm or coming into contact with a surface that has gunshot primer residue on it and y'all are going to say that the conclusion if it's got just a few particle lifts or a bunch of them right I'm sorry just a general conclusion that's what you're going to find that there are particle list and it can come from one of those three ways right yes sir discharge vicinity for hands we have one of those three ways for clothing we only have the vicinity and the transfer right right so is that consistent if I grabbed one of these firearms and handed it to an officer would that be consistent with your findings you can get it from a transfer of a firearm you could get one particle from transferring um from a firearm yes if you fired a firearm and washed your hands and then grabbed a firearm and handed it to a police officer would that be consistent with that also well you still had that transfer from the firearm it didn't really matter what you did prior to that you still could have had that one particle on your hands from that transfer of the firearm did you have an occasion to examine the shoes I did particle this from the shoes yes sir stage 419 you still got your gloves on no but I can put another pair on foreign if what were you provided regarding these shoes provided that these were the shoes collected from um Richard Alexander Murdoch and did you uh were you able were you able well tell me what your examination from the particle list revealed uh no particles characteristic of gunshot primary residue uh were detected how many none none no none you know think about the lab did you really know about do you know anything about the case that you're I mean at that point you're examining something you don't know anything about who's wearing what or what you're examining do you or who's your examining other than the submission slips no I know who is who it is based on the submission sheet which is important because it has to come from somebody who didn't sustain a gunshot wound okay and I got that that's a bad question other than that you don't know about the case or what evidence potential evidence right I just know that it was a priority request if you don't know what to use the potential suspect was wearing today during the day or how many shoes they were wearing if they were even wearing shoes do you no sir so your results after finding no gunshot primer residue or what on your report will you read it like you reported it yes sir no particle is characteristic of gunshot primary residue detected the absence of primer residue on the item is consistent with but not limited to the following scenarios the item not being in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm cleaning of the item excessive blood or debris on the item environmental factors including wind and rain the ammunition discharged lead-free non-toxic or some 22 caliber Rimfire ammunition not producing particles characteristic of the conventional primer residue or the primer or the firearm not producing primer residue on the item when discharged so at this point we've examined a shirt yes sir shorts yes hands hands yes sir gunship and shoes yes in the day to examine all those again was what uh the date that they were placed on the particle list that you examined yes yes the date they were placed on the scanning electron microscope was June 8th 2021. June 8th uh yes sir okay and that's the same day that Jamie Hall smelled them smelled the shirt yes sir same day you smelled sure yes sir [Applause] did you receive any of the items in this investigation where you were requested to determine whether or not there was any gunshot from a residue yes sir okay and I want to show you now what's I believe with everybody's help States number 100 seat belt and you said a priority was placed on this case right yes sir I apologize do you sometimes or aren't have you been present when Jamie Hall was doing the particle lifts and have you actually assisted uh yes sir especially if there is an abnormal item submitted for um analysis all right and abnormal's got a lot of definitions but in your world what does that abnormal mean so typical items that we receive are obviously gunshot residue kits but clothing items like t-shirts or hooded sweatshirts or pants or shorts or shoes things that we can have a standard operating procedure for those things we can say that we're going to collect from the same areas every single time other items are not so typical and then require a little bit more analysis on them States 100 is that example of one of those yes a seat belt would be an abnormal item do you know when you examine this uh the seat belt was examined on September 1st 2021. and it's brought to your lab correct to the director's life excuse me and uh is this what you examined uh yes sir and did you actually assist Miss Hall in attempting to get particle lifts off this yes sir I did okay so you were both in the room correct glove Zone yes jacket on yes mask on yes okay and can you tell these folks can you help me tell them what what this is and where you attempted to get particle is yes so this is I had to Google this because I'm not super familiar with the seat belt assembly this is considered the Buckle uh this is the part that everybody sees in their vehicle this bottom portion is what is in between the center console and the seat and not exposed um when a person is sitting sitting in the vehicle so if I'm if I'm driving is this going to be on my right side it should be on your right side yes and what is this so if we start here the next part that everybody's familiar with is the latch plate which goes into the buckle and then there's an entire belt that goes into the retractor wheel let's suppose don't let it go I got it what did y'all attempt you you and Miss Hall attempt to get particles we so we stretched it out as far as it would go and we took samples three samples from the belt uh front or both sides and we we just divided it into three sections into examples from those three sections and this was an abnormal item that you assisted Miss Hall with yes sir will you please tell the ladies and gentlemen the jury the results of your examination if any yes sir one particle characteristic of gunshot primer residue was found in general particles characteristic of gunshot primer residue or microscopic molten particles that contain the elements lead barium and antimony gunshot primer residue can come from being in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm or coming into contact with a surface that has gunshot primer residue on it however no information can be provided as to the time frame in which this particle was deposited so in common sense term how could that get on the seat belt where did you actually find the particle the particle was located on the particle lift collected from the Buckle so that piece with the red button just in common sense in your expert opinion how could a that particle get on that buckle um touching something that has gunshot primer residue on it uh or possibly being in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm so it could be a transfer it it's probably most likely a transfer yes sir okay probably most likely to transfer I it's just usually not exposed to the vicinity if there isn't a gunshot out of that vehicle then transfer is the most likely scenario just makes sense right yes sir okay well you submitted another potential piece of evidence in this case forensic scientist Megan Fletcher yes sir I was Anna what was that uh this was a a blue rain jacket uh kind of Poncho type jacket do you know when you I guess when that came into your custody when you when you uh looked at it the first time October 5th 2021. their courses off 439 excuse me we renew our earlier objection to this evidence under 403 but we don't have any additional objections Mr Smith I first want to show you I don't know if I'm going to use that element or not yet but showing What's um for 30 right now is that what you examined uh those are images of what I examined yes images of what to examine yes sir and tell the folks where you conducted this examination specifically I conducted this examination in the trace evidence Laboratory yes sir and I first noticed there's a there's a well Stakes 4 30. it appears that the um well let me put this on down foreign it looks like it's it's on a table or something it's actually on two tables it was it was large enough in order for us to be able to lay it out we had to put two tables together large enough you had put two tables together yes sir okay and why is it on this white uh what's it on what's it what's underneath uh underneath it is butcher paper and that's um used to protect the item of evidence but also used to collect any trace evidence that may need to be examined and it looks like on the right there may be a ruler or a measurement yes that's that's a sticker with ruler on it just to help guide us with the side General size of it we didn't take any specific measurements of anything but is it fair to say that that's how it looked when you saw it in October yes sir it is okay October 8th October 5th excuse me of 21. this report was dated October 8th I apologize gloves on your mask on yes sir and and tell the ladies and gentlemen the jury did it take two of you to do this uh yes sir I did oh wow uh so I uh gave uh Jamie Hall direct instructions on where to collect from and while she was doing that I was taking the notes double teaming it yes sir in I'll go um 226 is that what's depicted uh this jacket is the jacket I examined my lab number the item number 173 my initials and the date in which We examined it is on there and is this the same picture of what we just showed 430 I think it's the same image that you just or this is the jacket that was in the image you just okay and I'm gonna get this away I don't want to buy any of the jurors I'll get this way here so you and Miss Hall lay this out to examine it correct yes sir okay and how did you determine specifically where you were going to check to see if there were any particles so typically when we're looking for a gunshot primer residue we're looking for somebody who was in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm for this particular case we were provided information that something might have been transferred in this item that had gunshot primary residue on it therefore we treated it like an item that needed to be checked for transfer therefore we had to collect particle lifts from the entirety of the item including the interior you can either do it from up there down here how did you do it how did you what'd you start with just collecting potential particle lifts or particles so in total we collected 25 particle lifts from the jacket when I say we covered everything we covered everything we collected from the exterior of the hood the right sleeve the left sleeve the right chest the left chest there's a middle pocket on that on the jacket so we collected the whole middle section including the pocket the pocket also has like a hand warmer section it's got a little bit of fleece inside we collect it from inside of that and then we split the bottom half into collected one particle lift from the right side and one from the left we then flipped the jacket over and took one particle lift from the right sleeve into the right back on the top of the jacket the left sleeve into the back on the top of the jacket the um let me check this real quick the back sample um the lower half was again split in half and the right side was collected as well as the left side below you said 25 with a total of 52 particle lifts uh there were a total of 25 particle lifts how many on the outside how many particle lifts specifically ah 13. and can you tell us now where they were particle lists yes where did you swab specifically the outside of the hood lifts not Schwab I'm sorry that's okay okay the outside of the hood the front right sleeve the front right chest the front left sleeve the front left chest the middle pocket area the interior of the pocket area like a hand warmer section the bottom half of the coat was split into two so the bottom right side and the bottom left side the coat was flipped over and the sleeve and top half of the jacket on the right side was collected the sleeve and top half of the jacket on the left side was collected and then the bottom half the right side was collected and the left side was collected so you mentioned the pockets in here did you find anything inside warmers the way you put your hands if you will as far as particles of gunshot primer residue yes no particles were detected inside that pocket there none but you checked we did check okay and the particle lists on the outside of the jacket were how many uh a total of particle lifts yes 13 I believe okay and what does that tell you as uh in your opinion as an expert in the field of gunshot residue oh are you asking the number of particles of gunshot primary residue or particle lifts particle list and then your findings okay there were 13 particle lifts collected from the exterior of the jacket and I did find particles characteristic of gunshot primer residue on it now what does that mean uh that that jacket could have been in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm or something that had gunshot residue on it could have transferred to that object I can't tell you when that happened or how it happened and how many again inside the pockets you found no gunshot resident that's correct why you said it you flipped it over and checked the inside yes we turned it inside out and also collected samples from the inside have you done that before I don't believe I've done an interior unless it was explicitly stated that somebody was wearing a shirt or a coat inside out so you actually turned it inside out correct okay so once we turned it inside out we collected particle lifts from the the front and the back again so the inside of the hood the right sleeve to you can see seam tape on this it's that um that clear stuff that's kind of falling apart off of the jacket so we use that as kind of a guide for us so we use the front right sleeve to the center section of the coat the left front sleeve to the center section of the coat the middle area directly behind the pocket the right and the left side on the bottom half the jacket we turned it over again and did the right sleeve to the center point on the top of the jacket the left sleeve to the center point and the top of the jacket split the bottom in half again did the right bottom half the jacket and left bottom half of the jacket and well after your examination what were your results particles characteristic of gunshot primer residue were also found on the interior of this jacket is there a certain number or or could you have kept checking and checking was there a lot of gunshot primer residue inside the inside of the jacket I would say there were significant significant number of particles of particles characteristic of gunshot primary residue on the inside of this jacket yes how many did you determine I'd I confirmed 38 particles characteristic and I'm saying determined confirmed you confirmed how many 38 38 yes sir from the inside of the rain jacket Poncho yes whatever this is correct yes sir could you and you taught me a word too is there something that uh kind of LED you there could have been more but you just basically stopped checking so if we go back to when I talked about the automated analysis it gives me a list of candidate features that may contain lead barium and antimony there were uh a significantly more uh significantly more particles uh were listed as candidate features containing the elements lead barium and antimony I had to make an analyst decision based on my experience to stop at the number that I did candidate features yes sir which meant if you went on you would expect to find more it could I would have had to still check the morphology I would have had to make sure that they were molten around I also had would have had to check that they didn't contain exclusionary elements like high amounts of iron and magnesium but there was a possibility that there would have been more on it but she found 38. I confirmed 38 yes sir and 23 candidate features if you've gone further correct uh more than 23. more than 23. uh yes sir okay did there come a point if you had finished that examination how long would it have taken you if you would check everything if I had checked every single particle it probably would have taken me a week so is there a percentage that you determined hey I'm going to stop at this point and say here are my results there's some other candidate features is there a guideline out there we don't have a specific guideline it really is based on our experience and for this particular case I stopped anywhere between 10 and 20 percent some areas I was able to do a full percent because or full 100 because there weren't that many to go look at but other areas I did have to make a determination of when to stop of when to stop yes sir can you look at the ladies and gentlemen this jury and tell them in your opinion your expert opinion how that number of particles of gunshot residue primer uh what is that consistent with if somebody was wearing this coat inside out I would say that it's consistent with being in the vicinity to the discharge of a shooting uh given that it's on the inside in order for it to be consistent with transfer an object or objects with a high amount of gunshot primer residue on it would have had to transfer to it so they would have had to have more gunshot primary residue particles on them to begin with in order to transfer the amount of gunshot primer residue I found on this code and as far as a recently fired firearm would your would your findings be consistent with that item containing a recently fired fire it is possible yes with that number of particles uh with that number it is possible is there any other possibility uh it's 81 are they anymore uh if the jacket was inside out and simply in the vicinity to the discharge of a firearm it could have also had that number of particles on it in your opinion and just life in the job you love that's a large number of particles in it it was a significant amount of particles yes sir on the inside of the jacket and I'm not doing this but just to show up I'm almost 60. so I am 60. we'll level six feet on the record reflection but anyway this looked like a full length garment to you I would I would say that it would fit most people down to their knees or so play course the doctors inclusion again as far as the hood you said there was one particle outside the hood yes sir I was able to confirm one particle on the exterior of the hood and how many particles on the inside of the hood did you determine three particles were confirmed on the inside inside of the hoop yes sir [Applause] foreign and finally uh since this is an inanimate object how long would you expect that gunshot primer residue to stay on there until it's actively removed until it's actively removed that means why it's cleaned whatever yeah brushing it like aggressively brushing it off washing it in a washing machine cleaned hosed off something like that if a recently fired firearm was racked up wrapped up inside that jacket would that be consistent with your findings there is a possibility of that yes sir very much that's all we have thank you

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