Flying Drones Over People and Vehicles FAA Ruling... is it Legal? the Interview

i reached out to the faa and today we have a special treat we actually have an interview with the faa discussing specifically the flights over people so let's do [Music] right it [Applause] [Music] hey guys thanks for stopping by i always appreciate it it's good to see you so if this is your first time here my name is keith and this is alien drones i do mostly drone tech photography tips tutorials and industry news if that's something that's of interest to you you may want to hit that subscribe button now that'll let you know when there's new content that might be of interest to you as i mentioned in the intro when i did the review for the remote id and the flights at night i said i would follow up with a flights over people in case you're new to the industry or somehow missed the reviews that i did on the remote id and the flights at night i will put those links up here so you want to take the time and go view those as well because that's going to be integral part of what this rule was about i don't know how you could have missed them how is it possible they could have missed them so one of the things that i like to do on this channel is when there's new rules or faa regulations i like to go through them and try to clear them up try to make it so it's easy to understand and one of the ways i do that is i talk directly to the faa and get to their opinion on it because sometimes there's nuances or just things are just plain confusing and i don't want to interpret it wrong i want to get information straight from the source that's just how i roll so today's video will be longer than normal much longer than anything you typically see on this channel however there's such great relevant information i didn't want to shortchange you by trying to chop out relevant information just so i could make the video shorter so my suggestion would be if you don't have time to watch it all the way through right now that's okay go ahead and put it in your watch later folder so you can come back to it and pick up from where you left off i will put some bookmarks in uh to show the relevant section so hopefully that'll make it easier so i'm going to get right into it so today on alien drones we are very fortunate to have kevin morris from the faa's communication center kevin comes to us as a digital communications strategist and an unmanned aircraft systems coordinator that's a mouthful i get that right kevin that sounds pretty exciting keith i'll take all those descriptions indeed it's that's quite a lengthy one there's got to be some kind of good acronym or something we can put with that i don't know but that's pretty impressive indeed so as i mentioned we're going to run down the flights over people and kevin um foreign this rule is result of the nprm that came out in 2019 and it was introduced anyway and then the remote id came out last year it was part of it so can you tell us why this was introduced in the first place was there a need for it or were you getting a lot of questions on it and uh you know couldn't we always just fly over people you know with uavs or or was that not allowed any time yeah so a great question to start and i just wanted to throw a thanks your way for having me on it's it's really exciting to talk to people who are um not only engaged in the community but who are out there actually doing the work uh whether it's fbv flying or commercially or just for fun so this is really exciting for me i always enjoy these conversations uh so to your question the the ops over people rule um is really the result of the evolution of drones in the united states um it's part 107 when we publish that rule uh it seems like forever ago now it was the first step and all in a series of steps towards fully integrating drones into our national aerospace system and i think that's probably something i would really want your listeners to take away from this conversation is that the faa's goal has always been to integrate there's never been a goal to segregate or carve out or move things away or relegate you to it's always been how do we move forward at a pace that supports innovation while making sure we still maintain a safest aerospace system in the world the ops over people rule although it's a bit of a misnomer i'm going to talk about that in a minute but the ops over people role is that next step in that process so it is the next step to integrating drones and what we did is we looked at the operations that had been going on uh with regards to and here's where it's a little bit of a misnomer because as you know ops over people rule also included probably more exciting for most people night so that was another big part of the rule so when we looked at the waiver requests we were getting by far the most often requested waiver was a waiver to the daylight only rule that it wasn't even close right the next one down the list was ops over people so we took a look at those rules we took a look at what happened going on we took a look at the data we were getting and decided we can now take a step towards normalizing sustained ops over people flying and flying at night whereas you don't have to go through the waiver process anymore it's just part of the rule so that's why the rule came about specifically for ops over people in the night portion it was the next logical step and from the feedback i've been hearing most people are are pretty happy that the rule came out the way it did now something you mentioned there too they came out with the flights over people and the night flights but also uh just included that it's not just flights over people but it's over vehicles as well right yes absolutely and that's that um was another big ask that we've been getting a lot of people interested in and as as you know previous to the rule um that there was just a straight-up prohibition on operating over moving vehicles i mean you had to get a waiver to do that you had to do all these different things now the rule permits it albeit it's still rather limited i mean there are certain conditions and limitations in the rule it's not just hey can i take my drone and hover it over i-94 and just sit there for 20 minutes filming traffic i mean there are still things in there that some people might find a little bit restrictive but the rule itself as you pointing out does now allow for certain types of operations over a moving vehicle without a waiver but it is progress i guess if there was a lot of ask for that that's good that the fba is at least considering that in some form yeah absolutely and that's that's something too that especially with with drones uh when we look at part 107 um that's that will probably never be a static rule and what i mean by that is if you look at our airline rules they're fairly static they've been sort of that same way for years maybe they'll make a tweak here or there but when you look at part 107 we're making significant changes to that rule and it's ongoing so one of the things we'll probably talk about later is the latest aviation rule making committee on beyond visual line of sight so that's the next step in modifying part 107 to normalize dd loss operations excellent excellent so i noticed there's different uav categories in this as well you mentioned that there were certain criteria and i wanted to touch on the one that i think most people are interested in at least from what i hear dji came out with their mini series which was the sub 250 and that seems to be a real interesting niche of of carveout for the uavs and of course that is acknowledged in this regulation as well that there's you know different categories and that sub 250 is one of those so what i'm hearing is in that category one if there's no rotating parts that can lacerate human skin then they're good to go so as a practical matter i hear a lot of people saying i'm just going to grab my mini i'm going to throw on pop guard prop guards and i'm going to be good to go for instance can i go to the beach and you know run down the beach and just kind of fly over people or can i as you mentioned can i go above cars and kind of sit there for a period of time or can i only just transition and um you know should be all legal doing that is what i'm hearing from people prop guards were good to go yeah so boy there's a lot in that question let me see let me see if i can unpack it a little bit so let me try to go from simple to complex on this see if i can walk us through it here um absolutely correct on the different categories of drones so when it comes to operations over people the faa has put into the rule that there'll be four categories of drones one two three and four and uh quite honestly the the level of complexity of that drone operation rises with each level i mean there are certain criteria weight and impact and things like that but number one or category one will probably be the simplest to talk about and as you pointed out keith might apply to most people or at least most people will try to fit into that box right away so category one is interesting i'm going to throw a term out here that you may have heard if not i'll i'll explain it a little bit for your listeners uh performance-based rulemaking all right so the faa has really in the past few years and this really isn't limited to drones but just aviation and rule making as a whole we've shifted away from prescriptive rule making you could really even see that in the night portion of the new rule where we say your your lights have to be visible for three statue miles we don't give you a minimum luminosity rating or some sort of other standard that it has to describe to operate and reliability and things like we just say it has to do this we live at the industry to figure out well that's really how category one works as well we're it you know it has to be under 0.55 pounds or 0.55 pounds or under right um they have to have something to ensure that the rotating parts or don't lacerate people how you do that is really up to the individual so category one is is um i sometimes don't really like to use this term because it gives people the wrong idea but it's a self-certification category the operator themselves will purchase the drone doesn't weigh 0.5 pounds or less yes or no do i have any sort of protections on it that will prevent it from lacerating human skin yes or no if you can answer both those questions yeah it meets the weight requirement yes it's gonna protect people then you've got a category one drone there's no other faa approval or authorization so to speak needed for that particular drone to operate over people now i i say that with the caveat because as we move into the little more complexity complex portions of the role there are certain things you still can't do you know sustained flight over people is going to require compliance with remote id part 89 so while you may still have a category 1 drone and yes you can fly it over people sustain flight over i believe the term is open air assemblies of people would require compliance with remote id so there still are some things you want to pay attention to before you just buy a drone slap some prop guards on it if you will and start flying it over a whole bunch of people you want to be aware of those caveats in the rule that there are there are some additional restrictions but for the most part that category one is a self-certification piece do you meet the requirements the faa put in the rule yes or no then you can go fly over moving vehicles is a little bit different that's almost you need to think of that as a separate part of the ops over people person portion certainly you're going to need to have a drone that meets category one two three or four for operations over people but when you start talking about operating over moving vehicles if you're going to be doing sustained flight over moving vehicles where you're just hovering over them you're going to need to do that from a closed set um think movie set or something something that's closed off as designated you're not going to have uh surprises happening in there for for most people and they think well i can just go fly over moving vehicles uh you can but you can't have sustained flight over them you can't take your drone and hover it over a busy highway and be in compliance with the rule you could certainly transit from one side to the other uh and maybe take your video as you're going across if you will but sustained flight would not be allowed so when when we're looking at operations either over people or removing vehicles it's very important that people understand the rules and the different types of limitations that are associated with excellent that's very thorough thank you for unpacking that for me i know i loaded a lot in there um something you mentioned i just want to kind of clarify uh when we're talking about the uh over people uh over the moving vehicles uh you did make a distinction between a sustained flight over a moving vehicle or a transition like if you're just gonna fly over highway and you're gonna take video when we when you were talking about the category one over people you mentioned sustained flight would require a remote id but is there a transition state to where you're transitioning from you know across the beach you're not sitting over a person is there something like that that allows us to transition across over people and not have remote id or is it any type of flight over is going to require the remote id no so that's a great question where remote id is going to be required is the rule reference it as sustained flight over open air assemblies of people um and we of course don't necessarily define in the regs what sustained flight is nor do we define in the regs what an open air assembly of people might be you know there are some good and some bad with not defining certain things right we can really leave it up to the individual and it does provide a little bit more flexibility but unfortunately with that flexibility comes a little bit of confusion so let me see if i could try to answer a little bit my answers are really going to come from the the final rule which is of course a lengthy document that most people will probably never read but in that rule we do give some examples of what sustained flight might be and the most obvious would be hovering um hovering above an open air assemblies over moving vehicles or circling above them um you might even be able to argue transitioning there's the word i'm trying to get to across and back across and back across and back well if 95 of your whole mission was over those people somebody could argue well that says sustained flight over people so i i think it's important to understand that while there is flexibility and we don't necessarily define what sustained flight is we do give some examples and i just provided those that are in that rule itself the open air assembly of people is another one just like sustained flight what really is it well i think we could all probably agree on the easy answers a concert venue beach packed with people anywhere where there's a large amount of people gathering i think you could classify that as a open air assembly of people but once again we'll leave that up to the individual and it's not there we're not leaving it to the individual so we can play gotcha we're leaving it up to the individual because you can make the determination best on the mission that you're flying and so we really want to leave that flexibility into the system rather than you know just like we do with performance-based rule making rather than defining a hard set where it's it's trying to answer everyone in which sometimes and doesn't allow certain types of operation we want that flexibility left in okay excellent good to know when is the flight over people uh could i do it today or you know what's the timing on that and is there any criteria that are required first yeah so unlike the remote id rule uh the ops ops over people rule you could comply with today for certain categories for example category one you could certainly have a drone and fly over people that meets to category one definitions and fly according to the rule not a problem if you wanted to do sustained flight over open air assemblies of people you would need to have a drone that's remote id that's broadcasting remote id and we don't have those right now so right now that part of the rule flying sustained flight over open air assemblies of people you could not do because there's no way to comply with the remote id rule and as of today there are other categories in there categories two and three require what we call a means of compliance document and a declaration of compliance documents so those two categories of drones get a little bit more scientific and we start talking about impact forces and impact energy and that type of stuff so what the faa needs to see is from from a standard body in industry to come up with manufacturers or individuals could start saying hey i tested my drone according to that means of compliance so i'm gonna declare that it's in compliance with category two or three and that's when you get into a list of drones that are authorized called a declaration of compliance so our declaration of compliance website it's it's up and running we're we're starting to get some some interest to it but what needs to happen for categories two and three will be that we need to have an fa approved means of compliance and then a listing of drones that meet that requirement and once we have that now category two and three drones which would be labeled obviously category two and category three would be able to go out and fly according to the rule right okay so it's really good you brought that up we appreciate that um so if there's uh compliance that will be built in because the manufacturers for instance will certify a particular drone for a particular class what does that mean for somebody who builds their own i can think of the fpv community that builds a lot of them that you know probably are not going to meet uh the sub 250 uh with the batteries and the way they build them out is there any way for somebody to we'll call it self-certify or say you know what i tested it uh the best i could to the criteria that have been laid out and i'm gonna mark on there that it's a class two and uh i should be good to go with that is there is there anything like that that can be done um with with self built or some of the other drones that manufacturers even have that maybe a little less expensive and they don't classify it you know they just come out with something maybe a toy drone or something you know what do we do with those things absolutely uh so the the whole means of compliance and declaration compliance is is open to the public so that's individuals it's home built manufa i'll call you manufacturers but home built aircraft as well as production aircraft from large uas manufacturers so what what could happen is we would expect at some point most likely this year we'll start to get more and more means of compliance documents authorized so there may be a variety to choose from maybe two three four five maybe more of these means of compliance so if you built something um an fpv drone and you're in your basement and you're ready to go flight and you wanna do ops over people you could take a look at those means of compliance and you can say you know what i'm going to test my drone in accordance with alien drones means of compliance for a category 2 drone because that's the one i want to meet and then you go out and you do that test you submit to the faa i did the test according to that means of compliance so i'm declaring that this drone is a category two the fa looks and says yes and we will list that drone your home built drone on our website and it'll be a category two drone oh nice didn't realize you could do that that's really good is that and the criteria are available now so somebody could go out or the other criteria you mentioned the website or is the criteria still kind of evolving or is that something that somebody could look up now yeah so the the website's up and running and and i'll i'll try to get you the link here later so you can post it uh in the video uh the website's up and running now i believe we only have one means of compliance document which is the one that the faa sort of outlined in our advisory circular advisory circular 107-2a but we do again expect to have a lot more available to choose from coming up in the future so that you you wouldn't have to be limited to just one you could pick the one that you have the ability to test according to and then have your drone meet that and then list it okay excellent um something i also wanted to touch on uh just because i know it will come up um this this rule came out uh whether it's the the flights over people or the flights at night this is for uh 107 this was part of the 107 rule the changes that they made so what does that mean for a recreational pilot um can they do this at all or do they have to be 107 or is it just completely unavailable to a hobbyist so i this is a really simple question with a really nuanced answer i'm so glad you asked because it's something that i want to make sure everyone's aware of so on the front end of it we're only talking about part 107 so everything we've talked about so far operating over people operating over moving vehicles um some of the sustained flight requirements tying into remote eddy that's all part 107. a lot of people synonymously put part 107 with commercial ops and the reality is part 107 is civil uis operating so it encompasses everything you can technically fly recreationally under part 107 you just need to comply with all the part 107 requirements so you would need a remote pilot certificate you'd have to have your drone individually registered all the things that we normally associate with part 107. i bring that up because if there are portions of part 107 that work really really well for somebody in an fpv community they can choose to fly recreationally under part 107 and take advantage of whatever allowances part 107 is giving them whether it's operating over people moving vehicles at night what what have you they can do that when it comes to recreational flyers which is a term that i specifically associate with section 44809 which is the car valve so think of it this way whenever you're going to go fly a drone everybody has to fly under part 107. unless you meet all the requirements of that very specific car vote that congress made called the exception for limited recreational uas operations that's section 44 809. so under section 44809 that carve out so you're not flying under part 107 it's it's a very different way of having a listing of rules because it's almost rules within the rules now in all fairness the faa did not write section 44809 this is a congressional law and we are adapting to it and adjusting to it but there are about eight or so rules under section 4409 for recreational flights one of those rules says and by the way you need to follow safety guidelines of a community-based organization so there's another set of rules so the the statute kind of goes through the below 400 feet and giveaway demand aircraft you know some of the the big hitters but then it also has a little one in there oh and you also have to be following safety guidelines of an fa recognized community based organization that's where it can get a little bit messy so how does this all tie into recreational flyer if you look at the statute for recreational flyers you'll find nothing in there about flying at night and you won't find any find anything in there about flying over people however you still need to be following those safety guidelines of a community-based organization and more than likely they will have requirements or restrictions for doing either one of those over people over moving vehicles or at night now i say all of this and this is why i said it was a great question but a lot of nuance to it i say all of this when the faa has not recognized any community based organizations yet we have an advisory circler out right now that sort of puts a band-aid on it and says look if you follow the safety guidelines of uh i'm gonna quote existing era modeling organization today you can meet the requirements of section 44809 but it'd be interesting for your listeners to know that we also just put a an advisor circular update to that out for public comment public comments are open until august 9th and we encourage everyone to take a look at this updated advisory circular so it's advisor circular 91-57 see as in charlie and that is the advisory circular that will be the process for the faa to finally officially recognize community-based organizations so it's it's out it's up for public comment right now i invite everybody to go take a look at that and make your comment but that will sort of put the last piece of the puzzle together for recreational flying we we did a huge piece just a little while ago with the recreational uas safety test or the trust that's required we're going to put the final piece of that puzzle together most likely late summer early fall where we'll start to recognize community-based organizations excellent that's that's perfect um it's interesting you mentioned about following the rules for the recreational uh pilot uh and then under that pesky little number two uh in programming language you call that nested uh you come down to that and it seems benign on the surface until you open up the cbo and go holy yeah so so uh it's it's an interesting thing that uh i think i i did do a a little video on that a little while ago because that's exactly what happens is people just kind of oh yeah yeah that's just a safety thing but there is a lot of things that can happen and since the faa hasn't officially recognized uh cbo's at the moment but it's coming uh just like you mentioned with the advisory circular uh there's going to be a a lot more looking that they need to do at the cbo side to find out what's required as well because it seems seems simple but yeah that our nested thing will kind of catch you so yeah yeah and it's it's a good point to bring up uh just because the way the faa looks at it again i'll go back to my statement everybody must fly under part 107 unless you meet all the requirements and that's the important phrase all of the requirements so from a legal perspective if you're out there and you're a recreational flyer and you're flying under section 44 809 but you're not complying with all of the statutory requirements for example like you just brought up not knowing that you have to follow the safety guidelines of a community based organization or an existing era modeling organization as we're calling them now the faa will be considering you to be operating under part 107. so it's if you don't meet all the requirements we consider you to be a part 107 pilot which means you need to have a remote pilot certificate your own needs to be individually registered so on and so forth so that's right it's important for people to understand that that they really need to read that recreational flyer rule list and understand it completely good point very good point uh if you could kind of talk just briefly about uh the other categories kind of what was the thought there of how those would fit the thought process behind that and i really can't speak for the rule making team but having read through the the final rule it really looks like they went back and looked at the operational records and the performance and the data they got back from those operating under back in the day when you needed waivers to fly over people with a waiver and we took that data and said okay this seems to be working so maybe we can't just make a blanket rule for all drones but maybe if we break it down into different categories that will allow people the flexibility they need to do the jobs their missions they need to do so that's where we came up with the one two three and four we talked a lot about the category one for operating with people but the category two and three you really get into impact energy so we're talking about obviously drones that weigh more than 0.5 pounds that that are going to be larger drones if you will keeping in mind we're still talking part 107 so no matter what you do it has to weigh under 55 pounds we're you know we're not talking massive predator type drones but uh i though those sort of impact and kinetic energy studies that have been done working with the data that we had the the rule making team with the engineers at the fa came up with those different categories based on all of that and then the the means of compliance document we should talk about and then the declaration of compliance are the two ways or it really makes a pathway for drone operators necessarily need to be a manufacturer of drone to have a category 2 or category 3 drone when we get into category 4 that's almost an entirely different type of drone a drone that's issued an air worthiness certificate which is a pretty stringent requirement it's not simply i'm going to go test this in my backyard or test it down at the warehouse and now i'm going to get this category 2 or category 3. we're talking faa review engineers involving our aircraft operations people aircraft engineers there's a lot of work that goes into issuing an air worthiness certificate if you want to think about it in terms of importance we really only issue air worthiness certificates right now to aircraft that are manned aircraft if you are flying around they have air worthiness certificates now we're talking about applying that same type of scrutiny to a drone so category one uh relatively simple self-certification if you will categories two and three a little bit more complex but there will be pathways forward for people that want to fly category two or category three eligible category four probably gonna be pretty limited uh you know to large either large manufacturers or large companies that want to go through the air worthiness certification process okay good to know um so it's kind of a side question that i was thinking about here as you were talking about the the larger ones and different opera types of operations can you tackle beyond visual line of sight just a little bit yeah so the remote id ops over people um night all of that starts to lay the brick work towards routine beyond visual line of sight that's that's where industry wants to get to quite frankly that's where we the faa want to get to uh as part of our overall integration strategy so all of this works towards normalizing beyond visual line of sight um it's it's typically um i've heard it referred to as the holy grail of faa waivers uh because it's fairly difficult to get i mean you think about flying a drone and having it take off where you can't see it any longer how does it know if another aircraft enters its area how is it going to be controlled what happens in an emergency there so you're talking detect and avoid and sensing systems and potential radar issues and so there's just a whole lot that worked into that remote id is really putting that first cornerstone in that advancement of beyond visual line of sight by starting to allow drones to have some sort of unmanned traffic management or utm service right so there's there's a growth towards how we recognize it so how are we going to enable beyond visual line of sight and it's not just deliveries of packages that we're talking about here not just for you know the multi-billion dollar companies that we're trying to do this for this is really for everyone involved so how how do we get this to work well one of the first things we need to know is where are the drones out there uh and in remote id is the first step towards that i think if you took a look at the proposed rule we had a lot of network requirements built in requirement to connect to a cell tower and different things like that um that was universally uh argued against by the community with 53 000 plus comments and the good news yeah the good news for the community is that it we really did listen to you it it changed the rule those comments on remote id particularly the network connection capability requirement um that changed the final rule i think everybody understands that now if you look at the final road there is no network requirement in remote id it's gone right could it come back in the future is it different maybe lessons learned type requirement possibly we don't know but certainly that was our intention was how are we going to figure out where all these drones are so that we can start having some sort of an unmanned traffic management system so they're not running into each other they're not running into other aircraft and remote id is the first step in that process so i i know a lot of people aren't happy with remote id there's a lot of reasons why people are very concerned with remote id and we understand that we listen to you all the time i get emails all the time but it's certainly something that if we want to start normalizing beyond visual line of sight we have to have something like remote id to make it work we need that safety we need that security built into our airspace so that this becomes just something that's normal because right now it's prohibited by rule unless you have a waiver so i touched early on in our conversation keith we we just put together a beyond visual line of sight aviation rule making committee and that's really the first step it's it's the acknowledgement that the rule is probably going to change and i'm talking about the part 107 prohibition of beyond visual line of sight flying without a waiver this aviation rule making committee is the first step in modifying that rule it's what we did for remote id it's what we did for ops over people in night so it's coming in in remote id and the ops over people rule are there to enable it okay got it excellent thank you very much appreciate appreciate that info you know from your perspective is there is there anything that that we should kind of know in addition to what uh we talked about today or things that are important or something you want to bring up yeah i i think perhaps the biggest takeaway at least for me and especially we've talked a little bit about fpv flying and and i just want that the fbv community know that we we recognize you right it's it's it's not something where that were trying to leave you on the sideline or trying to somehow regulate you out of existence we love the fpv community there are just a lot of things that are happening and the fpv community is a part of a larger community of drones and that larger community involves everyone from the person that just bought the drone on online and flying their backyard for fun to somebody that's got a business doing photography or real estate or somebody that's trying to do package delivery search and rescue or infrastructure inspection that it's all part of a broader community so one of the struggles i think we have is a lot of times we view things from our community's perspective in that when we look at things like for example remote id and it's like why is the faa trying to you know eliminate my hobby or get rid of my we're we're not as keith you and i talked about it it's not an attempt to slow you down it's really an attempt to make sure we're stepping to allow future operations we want to fly beyond visual line of sight we want to be able to operate over people we want the fpv community to continue and to grow so although it might seem strange that the faa is promoting and supporting fpv while at the same time in some people's eyes putting out regulations that slow it down or hamper it again recognize that you're part of a broader community and we're all trying to move this community forward together to ensure future generations of drone pilots because this is by far the most exciting segment of aviation it's the fastest growing segment of aviation we completely recognize that and we're just doing our very best to support while at the same time ensuring that continued level of safety that we've always enjoyed with our airspace system that's really nice i'm appreciate the faa is trying to acknowledge the fpv and make rules and things with them in mind because i'm sure a lot of people are going to appreciate that for sure absolutely and if any anybody uh in your viewership or your subscribers or anybody in nfp they ever have any questions they can always reach out to the faa one of the i think the neatest things about the the uas side of the faa is that we're very responsive to comments to questions to emails um you can just you can email us at socialmediafaa.gov and we can either answer that question for you or we can get it to anybody in the faa that can answer that question for you we also have a number of social media accounts that um you don't have to follow all of them but i would highly recommend that anybody that's flying drones follow at least our faa dronezone twitter and facebook accounts because we post everything newsworthy latest and greatest safety tips um we also are engaging on those platforms so those those social media accounts and just our email accounts just make sure you're engaged with the faa we're not so a bunch of people in a dark basement somewhere trying to do things to to wreck your fun we're a bunch of people that really love this community we love this segment of aviation and we're doing everything we can to make sure that it stays that way it's fun for people and yet it remains really safe excellent appreciate that um so i really do appreciate you taking the time i think we'll probably end it here so i i really do appreciate it and uh look forward to having future discussions with you as well yeah i'd be i'd be happy to uh this has been a lot of fun for me as well keith like i said it's i any time that i get to talk to the real people uh if you will the the real drone flyers out there doing when the actual drone flying um it's it's always a treat for me so it's been a great conversation i appreciate you having me on excellent well certainly pleasure is all mine i do appreciate it kevin and uh again i look forward to our next visit as well all right sounds good keith thanks all right thank you very much so i hope you found this video of interest and maybe even learned something you didn't know before i know i certainly did and of course i want your comments as well this channel would not exist without you so what did you think of the flights over people information did you like this type of interview style between alien drones and the faa should i do more of this type of interview let me know your thoughts really appreciate it and if you're not subscribed now you might want to do that now because when i have future content like this with the faa you'll be notified when that comes up so thank you very much for viewing and until next time the next video good flying

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Length: 39min 8sec (2348 seconds)

Published: Sat Jul 31 2021