Film Theory: Spider-Man’s Biggest Threat is… the MCU?! (Spider Man Across the Spider Verse)

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You know, in a movie that's wild enough to  include a T-Rex Spider-Man, a Cat Spider-Man,   a Lego Spider-Man and Peter Parkedcar, the  spider-mobile. You'd think they'd be smart   enough to include literally the single  best Spider-Man ever put to screen. I am,   of course, talking about Supaida-Man,  the Japanese Sentai Spider-Man with   the single best costume, a giant robot. He's also got himself a theme song that slaps. We were robbed, I tell you. Robbed. Robbed! Hello Internet! Welcome to Film Theory the show  that will put its hand on your shoulder and say,   “Hey”. So Spider-Man's kind of  in an interesting spot in cinema,   isn't he? The whole franchise has  some of the best, as well as some   of the worst superhero movies ever made.  Even if the memes are always top shelf. But one movie I don't think anyone saw going  as hard as it did: 2018’s animated Into the   Spider-Verse. Telling the story of Miles Morales  as he takes up the mantle of Spider-Man after   his Peter Parker is killed. Thankfully, he  gets himself a ton of help figuring out what   to do in the form of Spider-people from  various different universes dragged into   Miles's dimension by the movie's big bad. What felt like it could easily have been a   cynical cash grab turned out to exceed everyone's  expectations. And it's considered to be one of the   best, if not the single best Spider-Man movie ever  made. It's beloved by critics. It made a killing   at the box office. It won all the awards. So when  we all heard that it was getting a pair of sequels   in Across and Beyond the Spider-Verse, let's just  say that those movies had a lot to live up to.  And thankfully the recently released Across the  Spider-Verse is great. Seriously, when this movie   first got teased, I was concerned that it was  just going to turn into a cameo-fest with too   much fan service. And while it did lean In more on  the cameos and fan service than the previous one,   it also managed to be a worthy sequel to  one of the best superhero films ever made,   even if that cliffhanger at the end  did leave me a little bit disappointed.  Also, I don't think this was a problem  with the movie, but just one with the   theaters that I saw it in having really bad  audio mixing. I had a hard time hearing a   lot of Gwen and Hobie's dialog at various  points. I thought it was just a me thing,   you know, I am getting older these days maybe my  hearing's going. But then I started seeing other   people bringing it up online. Anyway, here’s  hoping that they get the whole thing resolved.   Even considering those minor hiccups, though,  the movie was a visual masterpiece, throwing   us into multiple new universes and showing us  hundreds, literal hundreds of new spider-men,   each with their own unique visual aesthetics  and styles. For me, the standouts had to be   Spider-Gwen's watercolor world and the incredible  eighties paper cut out animations of spider punk.  Also, biggest laugh clearly goes to the Lego  Universe, which turns out was animated by a 14   year old? Kids these days, man. You guys are so  talented. Without a doubt Across the Spider-Verse   took all the ideas from the first film and  turned them up to 11. Spoiler warning for   Across the Spider-Verse in case you didn't figure  it out by this point. After the events of several   recent movies, including Into The Spider-Verse  Spider-Man No Way Home and Doctor Strange in   the Multiverse of Madness, which yes, Doctor  Strange is specifically called out in this movie. Holes have started showing up throughout the  multiverse. These have let bad guys slip into   alternate dimensions and wreak havoc. In response  Miguel O’hara, the sci fi Spider-Man 2099,   has set up the Spider Society to help police  the multiverse and bring all these villains   home. But when Miles wants to join the Spider  Society, Miguel refuses him at every step because   Miles is actually part of the problem. He unintentionally created the Spot,   a multi-dimensional villain, and the events  of Into the Spider-Verse were never supposed   to happen. Miles was not supposed to be  bitten by the radioactive spider. His   world's Peter Parker was not supposed to die.  Miles was never supposed to take on the role of   Spider-Man in the first place. What's even worse,  that spider that bit Miles, wasn't even from   his universe. So Miles is the original anomaly  that started knocking over all these dominoes.  So to help set things straight, Miguel and his  Spider Society are trying their best to, quote,   “restore the canon”; to make things right by  ensuring that the big events that are supposed   to happen to every Spider-Man across every  world actually happen. And if they don't, well,   then the multiverse itself could collapse. You  know, no pressure. But you see loyal theorists,   I have a problem with his line of logic. It doesn't sit right with me given everything that   we see both in this movie and throughout the wider  multiverse that this movie sits within. I think   Miguel is making a huge mistake here. I think he's  wrong about the whole Canon Events thing. I also   think he's wrong about Miles being the real danger  of all of this. And that error is ultimately going   to destroy everything that we love about every  superhero movie if they don't set things right.   We're not only looking at the collapse of the  Spider-Verse here, we are looking at the end   of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. So change into  your Spider-sonas friends and let's swing into it.  Within the film were introduced to the  idea of canon events. According to Miguel,   these are fixed events in time that must  happen for a universe to remain stable.  Basically, it's the explanation for why so many  different versions of Spider-Man across so many   different stories all experience the same things.  They had to happen for that universe to exist.   Now they don't outright give us an explicit  list of canon events that have to occur for   all the spider-men. But they do show us images of  several others within the web of life and destiny.  The ones I spotted included the spider bite  giving someone superpowers, the death of an   Uncle Ben-esque figure teaching Spider-Man  the lesson that with great power comes great   responsibility, connecting with a love interest,  sometimes with an upside down kiss in the rain,   a wedding to a love interest, a symbiote  creating a nemesis, throwing the Spider-Man   costume away and being crushed by rubble  before finding the strength to lift it.  Gwen also mentions that in every other  universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man,   and in every universe it doesn't work out. So  that one may or may not be a canon event as   well. But the big one, the one that applies  the most to this particular story. A police   captain close to Spider-Man dies usually by  trying to save a child from falling debris.  This is where the main conflict of the story  comes in. Miles's dad is about to be sworn in   as captain of the NYPD, and obviously he doesn't  want his dad to die. But you apparently can't   bypass a canon event and Miguel refuses to let  Miles leave to save his father's life. This is   something that Miguel had to learn the hard way. According to Miguel, he wanted to be happy with a   family. And so he found himself a universe where  that universe version of him had been killed. He   then stepped in and secretly replaced his dead  self. It sounds complicated, but basically he   just pulled a Rick and Morty. In fact, If we're  being honest this whole movie is just pulling   one big Rick and Morty: Spider society, Citadel of  Rick's much.It’s not a bad thing. I'm just saying.  Anyway, Miguel stepping in was an issue since his  death was considered to be a canon event in that   timeline, leading to that universe collapsing.  People were erased from existence, including   Miguel's daughter, who disappeared in his arms.  By the end of it all, the universe was gone,   leaving Miguel devastated and determined  to make sure that it never happened again.  This threat also checks out the movie, too. As  soon as Miles saves Captain Singh in Mumbattan   and bypasses the canon event there a dark hole  starts swallowing up that world. All of this sets   up a great conflict between Miles and Miguel for  the rest of the movie. Just like Miles, we don't   want his dad to die. But just like Miguel, we  don't want that universe to collapse either.  But here's the thing. When I really sat down  and started thinking about this whole canon   events thing, I'm not buying it. First of all,  I have a lot of questions about Miguel’s story   here. He claims that the universe with his family  collapsed because he bypassed a canon event. So   does that mean that Miguel's death was a canon  event? But who then was it a canon event for?  Was he the Uncle Ben or the police captain in this  situation, or was he just some random guy? Was he   the Spider-Man of that world? He has the powers  in the title, after all. Would that then mean   that Spider-Man's death is a canon event? That  shouldn't be the case, since Miguel later yells   at Miles for getting the Spider-Man of his world  killed. And considering how much Marvel, Disney   and Sony want to milk this character until the  end of time, something tells me that Spider-Man's   death is not going to be a corporate approved  canon event that's going to happen all the time.  Additionally, how many times has Miguel seen this  actually happen? We only see the one instance. So   is Miguel working with a dataset of just  one? That isn't enough test cases to make   such a weird multiversal big brother organization  that's okay with so many people dying. In short,   it doesn't make sense. And the other canon events  start falling apart too when you really look at   them. Like, speaking of Miles getting his Peter  Parker killed, didn't that disrupt every other   canon event of Miles's universe? Shouldn't that  universe have imploded? Or is that universe   self-correcting around Miles? Given how much  of an anomaly Miguel makes Miles out to be,   that probably shouldn't be the case if  Miguel is truly right in his hypothesis.  Another easy example would be the symbiote  attaching to someone and becoming a nemesis for   Spider-Man. What's the problem here? Well, Across  the Spider-Verse features a moment where the Spot   briefly pops into the universe of the Tom Hardy  Venom movies to steal some gum. But it doesn't   seem like there's a Spider-Man in the Venom-verse  for Eddie Brock to butt heads with, considering   Eddie doesn't react to Spider-Man being unmasked  when he briefly crossed over into the MCU during   the Post-Credits scene for Let there Be Carnage. Another example would be Spider-Man connecting   with and marrying their love interest. This  problem comes with the Amazing Spider-Man films,   which are directly connected to this universe  through a cameo with Andrew Garfield. Sure,   he fell in love with Gwen Stacy  in his world, but after her death,   he focuses all of his time and energy into  being Spider-Man. As he explains in No Way Home. That is years without a love interest,  without building any sort of relationship,   without a wedding, etc., etc. And yet, as far as  we can tell, the world of The Amazing Spider-Man   still hasn't collapsed nearly a decade after we  last saw it. Thirdly, we've got to talk about the   Uncle Ben moment. This death is supposed to be a  massive world shaking event that sets Spider-Man   on his path, teaching him all about power and  responsibility. Now it doesn't literally need to   be a Ben Parker who dies. For Miles, it was Uncle  Aaron. For Gwen, it was her friend, Peter Parker.   From Miguel, it looks like it was his daughter.  But here's the issue that I find with all of this.   Tom Holland's Peter Parker operates as Spider-Man  in the MCU for literal, actual years before he   eventually has his Uncle Ben moment. Just to  make sure that we're all on the same page here,   the writers of the MCU Spider-Man movies have  stated that Uncle Ben's death in the MCU did   happen, but it didn't have the same impact on  Holland's Peter Parker as the others across   the multiverse. Instead, the importance of this  moment was shifted onto Aunt May in Spider-Man No   Way Home. Now you might be thinking; “Hey,  it happens eventually, so we're all good.”  But are we just going to ignore the timeline  here? In every other dimension that we've   ever seen ever, this Uncle Ben moment happens  within months, even days after he's bitten by   the spider. In Across the Spider-Verse  Pavitr Prabhakar has been operating as   Spider-Man for just six months. And clearly he's  already had his Uncle Ben moment. The Maguire,   Garfield and Miles Morales Spider-Men have all had  their uncles die within just days of getting bit.  And yet, the MCU isn't on the brink of collapse  because Spider-Man hasn't had his Uncle Ben   moment as quickly as all the other universes.  But the thing that really drove the nail into   the coffin for me, one of the biggest of these  so-called canon events, has to be a spider   biting someone and giving them powers. So that  universe has a Spider-Man to begin with, right?  Well, we see the spider bite as the first canon  event that's explained to Miles. And yet at the   end of the movie, when we visit Earth 42,  the world where Miles’s Spider came from,   that doesn't have a Spider-Man and it's  still there. Sure, it’s not in great   shape. There's a lot of crime, a sinister  six cartel that seems to be running things,   massive fires throughout all of New York City. But the world itself has not collapsed. Now,   I can already hear plenty of you furiously  typing away in the comments. Just because   these canon events haven't happened yet in these  worlds doesn't mean they won't happen. And the   order of the canon events doesn't necessarily  need to be the same every time. And believe me,   I hear you. That was one of my initial  thoughts when I was crafting this theory too.  But again, it doesn't line up with what we  see in the movie, all thanks to that necessary   death of a police captain close to Spider-Man  bit that drives the whole conflict. Remember,   Mumbattan starts collapsing immediately  after Miles saves Captain Singh,   literal seconds after that event. If Canon  events don't have to happen at specific times,   couldn't Captain Singh or another captain have  just died later in the story of that world?  And yet here is Miles's world, which is  totally fine. It didn't collapse when   Peter Parker died. All of this tells me that  what the movie says about canon events and the   fallout of breaking canon is wrong. Miguel  has misidentified the problem. What we're   seeing in these movies isn't the breaking of  canon. It's incursions just like we've been   seeing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And that is way, way worse than any of   these Spider-Man think it is. Now, if you  dropped off the main MCU after Endgame,   you might not know what I'm talking about here.  We first learn about incursions in Doctor Strange   in the Multiverse of Madness, When Strange is  brought before the Illuminati of Earth 838. Basically, when people from one universe  cross into another, the two universes   start getting pulled together. Everything  starts breaking down until at least one of   the universes is torn apart at the seams,  killing everyone in it. Sounds familiar,   doesn't it? This is an incursion and they are no  joke. We see what's left of a universe after its   incursion. And it's a wasteland. It is a void  of nothingness. This is such a big threat that   the Illuminati think Doctor Strange merely  existing in their universe is a major risk   and that he needs to be dealt with. But hold on. Why am I connecting   this movie to the MCU? Sony is the one  that's making the Spider-Verse films,   not Marvel. And that's correct. But Spider-Verse  goes well out of its way to make sure that there   is a connection established to the MCU. And it's  not a blink and you miss a cameo or offhanded   reference either. Like I said at the top of the  episode, Miguel straight up references the events   of No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness  within the first 15 minutes of this movie. Earth-199999 is a designation of the MCU in  Marvel Multimedia, first called out in the   Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z.  No Way Home connected the older Sony Films to the   MCU multiverse. So the projections of both  Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire Spider-Men   also connect this movie to them too. The Spot  briefly visits Mrs. Chen from the Venom movies,   a world also connected through No Way Home,  and Donald Glover cameos as a variant of   Uncle Erin suited up as the prowler, the  same role that we see him play in the MCU.  But the linchpin that 100% slots this into the  Marvel Cinematic Multiverse now, when Miguel   begins his explanation of the Spider-Verse to  Miles, he projects a simulation of the multiverse,   one that looks exactly like how the multiverse  has been portrayed throughout the MCU. And I'm   not just talking; “oh, it kind of looks  like it if you squint at it I guess.”  This is exactly the same glowing, glimmering white  threads branching off into multiple timelines,   just like what we saw in Loki, just like  what we saw in Quantumania. Having all of   these connections to the MCU, positioning this  as part of the wider Marvel cinematic franchise,   means that we have to bring in the MCU logic  here. Sony can't have their MCU cake and eat   it too, even if they do buy two cakes. If people from one universe crossing over   into another universe is something that causes  incursions, that is what we're seeing in this   franchise. And it explains everything. It  solves all of the issues that we've been   having. When Miguel crossed over into that  other universe where he died so he could   live a happy life with his family, he caused  that world to be erased through an incursion.  It explains why Earth 42, The World Without  a Spider-Man because our miles got bit by   its spider is totally fine despite it breaking  canon, no extra dimensional visitors have spent   any significant time there, thereby avoiding an  incursion. It also explains what's happening in   Mumbattan. Miles, Gwen, Spider-Punk and the Spot  basically destroy a massive stretch of the city,   leaving a giant footprint behind. The hole  that opens up in Mumbattan is the beginnings   of an incursion, one that the Spider Society  is arguably making worse by trying to fix.   And that's the bitter irony in all of this, in  Miguel's desire to try and fix the problem that he   wrongly identifies as breaking the canon. What’s  he do? He gathers spider-people from across the   multiverse into one place, and then he sends them  on missions to realities that aren't their own.  Every single time that he does that, the Spider  Society is risking another massive series of these   universe ending events. In short, by trying  to help the situation, by forcing things to   fit a proper mold, to be the right correct  way, Miguel has made it exponentially worse.   Not only increasing the risk of incursions  happening throughout the multiverse, but by   indoctrinating a literal army of spider-people  into simply standing by while innocent victims   die. All in preservation of things being  done “the right way”, “the correct way”.  And thematically, this theory makes a lot  of sense. The story that I suspect that   the Spider-Verse franchise is trying to  tell us is that anyone can be Spider-Man,   but that everyone is going to be doing it  their own way. Everyone is going to be doing   it a little differently. Everyone's going to  carry that responsibility differently. But   that doesn't mean that they're doing it wrong. You are your own person and you can choose your   destiny. You are not the product of a bunch of  events that came before you. Miguel getting angry   at Miles for messing up how things are supposed to  happen, yelling at him because he's not supposed   to be a Spider-Man? That could be a stand in  for a lot of the audience resistant to change.  An audience who wants to see the same stories  playing out over and over again “the right way”.   Or it can also be a stand-in for where we are in  society today, where certain classes of people are   allowed to do things with their lives that others  aren't, just because they're “right” or “correct”,   just like how certain people can and  can't be Spider-Man in Miguel's eyes.  But Miles turns that entire idea on its  head. Being told that he isn't supposed   to b Spider-Man gives Miles the freedom, the  permission to stop trying to be Spider-Man,   to stop trying to think about what Peter  Parker or Miguel O'hara or Gwen Stacy would do,   and instead to just be himself, to just  be Miles, like he says in this moment. And that right there, that is the most  heroic lesson that any Spider-Man across   any of the universes can possibly teach. But hey! 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Length: 18min 45sec (1125 seconds)
Published: Sun Jun 18 2023
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