Feminism is the Establishment

like so far so far nearly a million people have signed the petition to bring back Jeremy Clarkson freedom to fraca its declares he says carefully with a BBC investigation underway about the alleged handbags and pushing we can't comment but given the scale of the support for Jeremy Clarkson and the howls of protest at the apparent cancellation of the rest of the series of Top Gear we asked how is Britain become hostile to blokes I think before we go any further it would be important to note that Jeremy Clarkson's suspension was actually justified he wasn't suspended for his opinions or something that he said he was suspended specifically because he came back from filming discovered that no food had been laid on at which point it appears he threw a tantrum and threw a punch at his producer so Clarkson is in no way in the right in this situation just to be completely clear and fair Clarkson wasn't being unfairly persecuted by the political correctness of the BBC this time or anything like that Clarkson had actually done something wrong and he actually reported himself for doing it and then he was suspended which frankly is probably quite a fair thing to do anyone else who didn't have Clarkson's level of Fame probably would have been fired it probably doesn't necessarily have any bearing on what we're actually going to discuss but I thought it was important to include that completeness sake what if it feels incredibly divisive character on the one hand he's greatly admired by his audience I think precisely because he has the balls frankly to say what people otherwise are afraid to say Jesus that should put lies to the myth of the patriarchy shouldn't men love Jeremy Clarkson because he has the balls to speak out against their wives but the thing is listen very carefully because the host has to mock this and the thing is this is ridiculous this is well worthy of being mocked if it wasn't so [ __ ] sad I'm about to faint look at what's going on here this is almost like men petitioning the rest of society to just listen to them for five minutes please that makes him incredibly unpopular critics and his critics tend to be the opposite demographic so we hear a lot of angry Sorvino female voices and it was interesting this week I think how you know speaking of angry female voices within two days the same number of people had signed a petition for him to stay then sign the campaign for page three to be dropped from the Sun in two years I'll tell you what he's not wrong that this is pretty crazy in two weeks there's got a million signatures and again just to point out that Clarkson is the one in the wrong here so what are people defending they're not defending his right to get stroppy and punch someone because he's hungry so this guy is incredibly popular but on the same hand he became an interesting thing he became a magnet not only for self anger about Clarkson in general but there's so much criticism about the fact that he was white because they're racists and that he was male because they're sexist I actually really find it infuriating these sort of things are entertained what criticism because he is white and male criticism of things he can't change I mean what kind of bigots do that and what kind of society thinks it's okay to tolerate certain kinds of bigotry it's like well what's going on here oh that's easy to explain we've got a bunch of absolute [ __ ] racists and sexist who have redefined the terms racism and sexism and they're now running around saying hey we've proved you can't be racist and sexist to men we have proven it we have got social science on our side so now you can go and be as racist as sexist as downright unpleasant as you like to this category of people based on their skin and gender and because they care about women so much they're going to [ __ ] take it in fact it actually gets worse than that they're going to [ __ ] apologize for being born wrong hello Internet white guy here so I'm pretty sure that means you have to listen I'm also straight I'm sis I'm not poor now but I used to live in my car and not just any car I used to live Saturn which I'm pretty sure is made of plastic and tears but I'm doing okay right now and that pretty much means that I'm as privileged as you can get you heard that correctly this four foot tall hobbits of a man is telling you that he's privileged let's find out a bit more about him before we make make judgments maybe he is privileged just not you know physically I have issues like we all have issues I've struggled struggled financially I've struggled with depression struggled with addiction I have dad issues and mom issues and I have friend issues I don't I don't have many friends to have issues with but the ones that I do have I have issues with oh yeah he sounds really [ __ ] privileged just so privileged he's got no money he's got no friends he's got [ __ ] problems with his family I can't imagine women look at this guy twice I feel [ __ ] sorry for him I really do the only problem that comes with being privileged is occasionally shutting the [ __ ] up listening to someone else and being like oh that does suck how can I help as if this guy's in any state to help anyone else and yet he has been so [ __ ] brainwashed that he is just he thinks he's privileged by the fact that he was born male and white I mean this this guy's and I don't mean sound horrible to him I'm sure he's a lovely guy but he's he's a he's a loser he's he's just some [ __ ] guy who is obviously kind of pathetic doesn't have any friends doesn't have any family and is the sort of person that I feel bad about and he thinks that he needs to apologize for what he was born as so say it with me I'm a man I'm not a dick I don't hate women I'm a feminist so let's get back to the big question on that side sorry about all that well let's take it away from Jeremy if I may and just talk about that broader issue I mean the underlying issue here is there a crisis in masculinity with a big well we're often told that there is because that's another source stick that's used to beat men I hear it all the time what's actually happening is that you know being a man has changed radically because how we define ourselves has changed we no longer do traditional jobs the stay-at-home monthly I'll just say I'm dad for six months they believe it when I have to load it how we be men has changed but where I'm really worried about all this is particularly on university campuses I used to be called the king of the lads roll our embarrassingly you know my magazine was a standard-bearer for the lad lifestyle for which I became a great target of malice fair enough it goes with the turf but young British men I think are now being demonized on university campuses they absolutely are let's take the example of teaching men not to rape while students need sexual consent education at least they have the decency to make it look like they're talking about men and women in this article but anyway this was proposed and then it was made mandatory and in the wake of the inevitable public backlash of presuming the guilt of all-male university students feminists were forced to Ponder's themselves is this right or not and they came to the conclusion that goddamnit the ends do justify the means and for some reason coming to the conclusion that the ends justify the means isn't enough for them to step back and reassess their ideology and what pisses me off most about this is that it's almost entirely based around self-interest because the whole Lab culture the the dapper laughs thing you know he became this this cartoon caricature version of what a lad is and and he was used to contaminate the entire movement now every young man on universe campus who who likes to drink has a bit bit your bush Fanta yeah banter but whereas banter end whereas it began who knows you know we ought wheels being an incredible suppression of free speech and our university in fact kate you yourself was all taken off university campus because you're the wrong sort of feminist this is absolutely true and i actually covered this in an episode of this week in stupid a few weeks ago now i think we shall likes got anything to do with deaf a lot obviously it's not relating to dapper laughs you idiots he's talking specifically about this kind of coal of censorship on University campuses if a group of feminists don't like it they can protest it and it will be censored for example your comedy show was censored because you Smurfs wait believe that the sex industry should be criminalized and this feminist society University was in favor of legislating the sex industry instead and for that reason even though the majority of the society voted in your favor a minority didn't like it threatens protests and you got shut down this is what he's talking about listen uh I think it runs to the heart of the same debate and that is about the fact that some people find it offensive millions don't but the minority people to find out offensive are controlling what the rest of us would have to say or do exactly about freedom of speech about freedom of speech well we're just you know Huxley's not about freedom of speech it's about whether it was a fight it's not it doesn't matter where there's a petition she is absolutely correct that Jeremy Clarkson's suspension was not about freedom of speech but there is clearly a much larger debate to be had about freedom of speech let's move on to those who support them and those feel that their failure to curtail let's talk let's let's talk about this crisis of masculinity or whatever first of all is there a war on men well no there simply isn't is not it rather depends on what your metrics are doesn't it so if you look at any of the corridors of power men massively outnumber women in this country and all around the world not in universities they don't in universities men are the minority there are nearly sixty thousand more women than men going to university in the UK and what are women doing with this institutional power I recovered that already didn't we they're going on witch hunts I mean they do actually seem to be conducting some kind of war on men and they're the ones who are indoctrinating children so they are going to be raising the next generation that will eventually fill the corridors of power but is there these days that there's a difference between men isn't there and blokes or lads or this kind of culture which you're right is a relatively new thing you know one hundred years ago if it wasn't this culture of you know lad culture it's a very modern I disagree with that I think probably the cavemen time being a CAD and a bounder is certainly not an invention of the 21st century I mean I don't think I don't think that it was the same situation that we've got now it's sort of like widespread you know very violent online pornography this no it wasn't but that was because they didn't have the internet not because they didn't have pornography this kind of stuff that is new and it's a new challenge people to deal with no tisn't it's the same old challenge presented in a new medium and is there you know a reaction to that and a backlash against that are people lose I think that actually right young guys at university they are they're being sold this story of like yay Jack the lad drink you know drink loads go out you know you're expected to have hundreds of girlfriends and all this kind of stuff and I think that they're being encouraged sometimes to behave in a way that isn't appropriate to a feminist woman I think if people are pushed out back against that well yeah that's great there's a battle yeah but there's no a backlash as we can see yeah against against the backlash this is a right point and that's absolutely true the feminists have actually become the reactionaries arguing for the status quo you know this is some men feel they cut they're not allowed to be men I just talked about the banter where you know when Jeremy Clarkson says apologise anyone who's offended by this a [ __ ] pre-emptive apology that is how endemic this kind of PC culture is in the UK he's just gonna say something that Jeremy Clarkson said it's probably not gonna be all that bad but my god he felt the need to apologize to preemptively apologize to people who might get offended because could god someone's bound to be and he said doesn't thing on German cars and he said the navigation systems only go to Poland hey there's no legged they go to Paris as well there were there were complaints from similar liked it will come tomorrow in a minute there were complaints from diplomats there was outrage in the press isn't it just the sort of thing that lads like to say in a bit of banter basically I don't think the issue is the issue is not that that bloke behavior equals the behavior of all men but that simply isn't true if it's this bullying behavior that's unacceptable it's unacceptable in the workplace it's unacceptable in the media and the fact that it's unacceptable tubule is being used as a stick to beat all men would you please listen woman we agree everyone agrees that it's not all men and yet all men are for example going to these mandatory consent classes because if we don't teach men not to rape who will that is the issue freedom of speech absolutely I support oh yeah very brave to support freedom speak on men in crisis I think the problem is that jeremy carr clarkson why are people bringing in his sex or gender in this because they're racist and sexist and i agree it should be ridiculous but here we are an individual in a workplace had an altercation with his boss it happens all the time why are people focusing on his gender isn't that sexist well it was but feminists have conveniently redefined sexism now its power plus privilege plus penis length and highest score double dragon the point being it's all things that women can't possibly have had so it can justify anything well there's going to be a query on that do you think that roles have become blurred do you think that some men feel that they are not allowed to be men anymore in our society in 2015 and i thought that there's a greater stigma on on on males than they would be on females so certainly if you see that if a woman would did exactly the same thing to jimmy clogs and said no one would say that is there a problem with with with women today or so and so it's going to talk to so many would view it's very sexist so the fact that we're okay to bring up Jeremy Clarkson's gender in this it shows the problem that there is a issue of stigma attached to men whenever we do something it will be reflected the media as part of our gender that's a bloody good point well made the fact that we're willing to bring up Jeremy Clarkson's gender shows the problem the point that the feminists always set make is we have no choice but to be judged as our gender and now the pendulum has swung and that has become projection to men you have no choice but to be judged on your gender I'm sorry speaking as a woman who does stand-up comedy any time I do a show and everything something isn't perfect about this show somebody starts talking about women in comedy the idea yes and it's wrong when they do it to the point is that just because you been aggrieved in this way does not give you license to go and act this way to someone else this is why people say that feminists are hypocrites that women are not stigmatized by the actions of individuals within their within their numbers is a complete myth but that is absolutely indicative of your master slave mentality I am sure it can't be easy to be a female comedian there is a stereotype that women aren't funny and I think that there is a reason that stereotype exists so having to fight against this is probably quite a difficult thing but that does not mean that men saying oh well in different areas we have the same problem that doesn't mean they don't have that problem just because you also have that problem it's not a miler what I see what sort of various men exact point what nice to say no aI don't think it's a competition but be you're complaining about being a female comedian unsurprisingly because you are a female comedian he is complaining about other men who will be going to university and be treated as if they are already criminals honestly I think the average person would rather have a social barrier to being a comedian than a social barrier to going to university what do you think being realistic Cait how much of your argument is coming from self interest than men we talk about women in politics in the way they dress we don't talk about men in politics in the way they dress okay are we going to open a movie theater because you are [ __ ] projecting is it men or women who decide whether we talk about clothes Kate what about shirts torn who was the one talking about clothes there was it was it the men or was it the women the idea that men are specially stigmatized I'm sorry but that's that's that's a ridiculous yeah just ridiculous I don't care for these men are standing around telling me look it's going too far can we can we at least have a conversation about that that's [ __ ] ridiculous not if it's not offensive to say it's ridiculous because once again it's just all dismissed now I'm a committee now brother being a man professor at the Southbank Centre where we are trying to give men an opportunity to be able to talk about things that matter well there's your problem I mean there are feminists talk and they like talking a lot the biggest killer of men under 45 in UK is suicide get a load of this mr a [ __ ] boohoo male [ __ ] tears just because men are committing suicide unprecedented record rates doesn't mean anything that's because I'm privileged because they hold the power in society and with great power comes great responsibility and they've just realized they've been oppressing women for so [ __ ] long all of history in fact that it's about something some men started committing suicide now what's happening why is this going on right I'll tell you why listen mark intertitles no you [ __ ] can't talk there is a privileged entitled white woman who needs to tell you why you are wrong oh she doesn't have any evidence or facts or even a logical coherent argument but trust her she really feels that you need to kind of listen and believe that her lived experience is more true than yours see just like she knows better than you she just knows better than you and if you just I mean she's gonna be quiet for now but if you just shut up and know your place then all of this could be solved cuz she's the real victim here okay let Martin look let Martin talk what's happening is that the campaign against living miserably the charity represents this is desperate for more funds to look into wires is going on but they're not getting it I'll tell you why because men don't qualify as a minority interest we don't get preferential funding you know that is right there that's right male priviledge that's the patriarchy looking out for men a system that always privileges men over women in fact white men over everyone else didn't then put aside any funding for white men like but no no no no the patriarchy it's always there for me right you can bet your life if women start killing themselves you know or Muslim SID or black guys you know that there would be you know front-page news guaranteed government inquiry millions of pounds of funds what man is that my god would you listen to her trying to interrupt has really pissed me off what about shush it's someone else turn to talk don't you understand but I see you've you've got privilege that you need to try and maintain so you need to silence dissent wait a minute sorry Peck let's bring Sally Peck here I mean a lot of women are killed in domestic violence in addition disproportionately no anymore let's alleys let Sally speak there's a huge problem in this country with gender equality not even slightly there is a huge problem with parity but I'm personally all in favor of people making their own life choices and as such it's not a problem at all see and as you see recently in the global gender gap we've fallen to 26 place in the world which is really embarrassing we used to be 9th place 10 years ago I presume you talk about women in the workplace well sorry ladies you're gonna have to get a job but the real problem yes madam much higher suicide rate well I'm glad we can all agree on the official statistics and that's because stop you there I don't think you know why that is I don't think you have any idea why men are committing suicide in such phenomenal numbers we tell children when they're one year old that boys and girls are different that is absolutely not the reason men are committing suicide kids work out for themselves the boys and girls are different and the fact that boys and girls are different would only be the cause of male suicide if we were blaming boys for being different to girls and this causes boys to grow up without any emotional intelligence well I was right you have no [ __ ] idea people think oh yeah we need gender equality because this will get girls into STEM subjects which is true no it [ __ ] isn't there does not seem to be any way to get large numbers of women to enter the STEM fields frankly love I don't have to break this to you but they're just not [ __ ] interested but even more important than that we need gender equality so that boys won't be violent you need to persecute boys in the words of christina hoff sommers to treat boys as if they are defective girls which in turn hounds them into an early grave by their own and to stop them from quote being violent this is what I mean about the ends never just find the means it is so wrong to do this your solution is a bad one it is frankly an immoral one it is absolutely unjust two generations of boys growing up now and you are defending it because you are a woman who benefits from it you are defending this unjust system out of selfishness there's a wonderful charity based in Edinburgh called zero tolerance which is teaching gender equality to child minders so that they can teach children that their equal their equal opportunities and they do it specifically to reduce violence from men to women when they're adults we need to start much earlier than men yes these gender and racial bigots are allowed to indoctrinate children that is actually something we allow in this country it's [ __ ] ridiculous okay Milo you want to commit unbelievable astonishing sexism and we have to teach teach young boys not to be boys so they won't be violent why is being sorry like Genrich each boys and girls that they're the same and that's a that's a problem they are different when we do when we do experiments on young babies and even on related animals we know that certain children go to certain toys yes I know that ideologically you don't want it to be true but if we look at it with our real world glasses on it does appear to actually be true doesn't it boys and girls give you some context for all of this and you have to understand a little bit about history feminism they've been two main strands here is all okay yes of course I've because of course men aren't allowed to speak about anything that isn't to do with men except yours really all right well yeah my load pick up a dictionary it's just the belief of the social legal and economic equality of the sexes god it says right there I'm gay if the woman busy defending her privilege could please shut up that would be wonderful thank you it's your little cage talk to you a little bit about the problems that men are experiencing in society and since you're not a man perhaps you could like to give to us for a second I've never heard shut up [ __ ] being said so politely so there is a wider context in which men are suffering slightly even ten years ago would have been ridiculous to say it but very recently we've seen a lot of structural advantages to being a woman crop up an education in the workplace under 30 women earned more than men for the same work in the UK and the u.s. now that's absolutely true and it has been true since at least 2010 but you know so what I mean it's only fair that women are now earning more than that but you know it is not that feminism is some kind of supremacy movement it just really looks like one oh it's an extraordinary statistic and something that your people have to be very very carefully convinced of because it sounds sounds absurd but there is a sense in which at men a particularly young men probably men our age haven't necessarily experienced it but younger men 20 year olds there's an enormous problem I read about this last year accorded the sexiness of men checking out society checking out of relationships giving up on women giving up on careers they don't bother go universe anymore now more women go to university women get higher grades University more when they graduate from university all of the traditional imbalances between men and women have flipped and very recently oh I think I can hear an interruption coming when young may have allowed to finish so I'm talking I'm talking about men doing that's the problem if you talk then it undermines her position and when now you think it's funny holy-shit would you listen to them and now you think it's funny this is the problem how dare you have interrupted me you pleb where is the respect for my authority as a woman give it up you shrieking harpies I don't think it's going to work sexism Milo laughing at you for being an unreasonable hysterical harridan is not institutionalized sexism I'm sorry to break this news and you're just sitting here doing it flagrantly and without even my god listen to the outrage of the privileged you are laughing in my face flagrantly without apologizing I am entitled for you to care about my feelings that is my goddamn entitlement and that you're not is outrageous we just we just heard that it we just heard that it was an essential characteristic of men that they were violent a minute ago so I guess what I said well thanks the magic of video editing but even more important than that we need gender equality so that boys won't be violent does kind of seem to be what she's saying I mean if without gender equality whatever that actually means boys are going to be violent and that does kind of make it sound like boys are naturally intrinsically violent like white except it's not Eliza it's more of an inference but she didn't literally say that but that is what she was implying is anyway I'm getting out of here if anyone if anyone in the audience wants to say something please feel free to put up your hand and all I'll bring you in at this stage and just just just for the sake of diplomacy let me take it to you Christine Eugene and Christine men still boss the world honestly mate just from looking at this debate it doesn't look like it does it in that in terms of well I agree with the gentleman that there are huge demographic changes taking place 60% of graduates in the UK are female 25% of main breadwinners working working moms or breadwinners a further 16% have the same earning capacity as their earnings as their partner that is true 10% of working dads now stay at home they've left the workforce are you sure they are still working dads um we also have Millennials and Gen Y who want more personal time III really do empathize with the changes that are happening and how that must feel but but it's not happening to me so it's not my problem it's happening across a fire let me ask you as well what about the boardrooms which you know very well are they still you know what was that program Mad Men you know that kind of testosterone fueled environment the the figuratively smoke-filled rooms and swaggering about and the banging of machism Oh on the table is it still like that was it changing it's it's changing but it's at the beginning in the UK we're aiming for 25 percent for the for the top 250 companies to have 25% of the board members be female but we are at the beginning of that journey and when I say at the beginning when you look at the next level under that the non the Executive Committee it's still less than 20 percent are female so we have a long way to go in terms of gender equality in business again you are talking about parity equality is equality of opportunity parity is equality of outcome okay as somebody that lives in the wrong body for a lot of years and lived as a man you were kind of undercover in the other world weren't you I was going to say maybe I can come in as a fifth column I'm fascinated listening to Martin and mind I go on about this I without getting into the existential what does one counters what I know is that I counted as far as the public was concerned as male and then later I didn't count as male yeah being honest though do you count as female I mean it this isn't my judgment this is the judgment of the general public the the attitude you get on the street if you will I'm more than happy to treat you as if you're a female but I don't think that perhaps your risk of cervical can sir is quite as high or perhaps you know the amount of men who try and pick you up is quite as high as some natural-born women shall we say and what I've experienced is the fear of going out and about on the streets and men don't know they're born they don't understand that fear they don't understand the parking close to a station carrying your keys in case somebody might come up to you okay I noticed it said that you are a feminist and a fear mongering does seem to be a trait of feminism and it does seem to be one of those things that they indoctrinate women with so they are constantly in need of feminism but I have to ask you what do you think your odds of being raped are because I don't think that quite as high maybe as some other women and again I'm not trying to be rude they don't understand a friend of mine 20 years in IT a trans woman and she is now asked to make the tea although she's a senior consultant in the room so we see this all the time what is going on here is men don't know how privileged they are and the women know how privileged they are and it's a little bit sadly like my sister who grew up in a world without word processing and now she has to do it he really doesn't like it and that's sad and I'm sorry but you have to move on but men you have had privileges I know it's had privilege I guided and have had privilege and now they don't have so much I'm sorry mayor just not solve this question and do you think that perhaps your experience to somebody who's transitioned from male to female might be part of your experiences too I mean you you're sort of claiming experiences now as a woman now no I'm not honestly I'm pretty sure you were and what I've experienced is the fear of going out and about on the streets and men don't know they're born they don't understand that fear they don't understand the parking close to a station carrying your keys in case somebody might come up to you I mean that certainly sounds like you're talking from the position an experience of being a woman doesn't it think man that's what you said you said no idea is just oh so I very carefully said because then you get very access about what do I count as I said I've experienced life wearing the male garb and not wearing the male garb okay but if you haven't experienced life wearing the female garb you don't really know what you're talking about do you and the point is that wearing m/l garb you get away with no oh bull-fucking-shit [ __ ] the amount of women I have seen posted on Facebook something like oh thank god I've got boobs because I just got a free bus ride or I got let off my taxi fare or something along those [ __ ] lines bollocks two men get away with murder if that the case why do men spend twice as much time in jail for the same [ __ ] crimes just [ __ ] Martin I think you know you know your situation you know hot fell you know this is a new thing you know the transgender thing a lot of men are confused about what that means what I mean by the edge you know there's a lot of change we need to get used to that dead right absolutely but we must never forget that the vast majority of people who are attacked or murdered in the UK or around the world are actually men you know okay other men are doing that you know it's a male-on-male thing and that's another sort of reason to prove that men are toxic because we're killers and and that's what the message we hear all the time is about the terrible things men do right things men can do when do we ever hear about that where the surveys approve many good as a survey out this week saying if you smile at a woman you're sexist this got global media pick up it's ridiculous is that everything we do is sexist consider which that is exactly word for [ __ ] word what the study found so you can sit there and shake endures I know there is what it said but that is what the [ __ ] study said just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue conniving a part of something I love successes I mean of course the great feminist academic Camille paleo said if women round the world we'd all be still still living in grass huts um you know we know what men have done men have got to the moon men built built the pyramids men built the internet melt men did what lots of wonderful things and but you're right that you know what we tent what we tend to hear a lot is that the membrane societies is sort of toxic masculinity which was alluded to earlier and all these other sort of ridiculous offensive it's now open season particularly if you're white and you're a man and what feminists don't seem to appreciate the irony of is that they are relentlessly ridiculing people on the basis of skin color and sex and they don't seem to get yet I love these faces that the one on the right no no I am jacked I bet he can't possibly say this about us because that makes us sound like sexist and racist and the one on the left is just like a ridiculous notion how can I be a bigger how could that be the case every there some in a motorcycle is Sally first well I just think that you're completely misinterpreting the situation here of course you do we're going down a path that means you're gonna have to give up some of your privilege and with the issue of violence we don't look male and male violence when I'm talking about with early childhood education is giving all of the possibilities to all well no not not saying you're here the pink toys for you here the the soldier you do so I was like let toys we choice well I mean one many studies have shown that when when they're babies if a baby cries a girl child will be picked up much more quickly and held and comforted for much longer so you're saying women are privileged right from the moment that they're born she's taught by her closeness to her carer that her feelings count they matter and she gets a reaction whereas boys in every study shows they're encouraged to play further away they're not picked up as quickly they're not comforted so there's not you're gonna be a princess and you're gonna be yes your transition but even earlier than that that's my point no boys emotions are not listened to and this is what causes the problems no that doesn't cause the problems there were no problems before the modern era with this do you think that in the past boys were picked up sooner than girls of course not it would always have been this way the point is that boys are being demonized for being boys is not wrong that they become boys it's wrong that you sit there and say well that makes them violent that makes them bad we need to turn them into Girl boys there's not a toxic natural masculinity it's not the nature we are teaching them to do that teaching she wants to be tortured to care you see the problem is that this sort of view leads to problems the services we now have an education system the US for example where boys are judged to this sort of emotional a sort of feminine standard we're sort of in movie talk about our feeling it's literally what you just described it to be the consequences of that is one in five American boys put on ritalin because they're boisterous in class because they're held up to this sort of touchy-feely feminine standard that isn't how boys behave and and what happens is we end up with a generation drugged up young boys and if you look at statistics the number of kids that are on a drawl and Ritalin whatever in the United States and it's beginning to happen here it's monstrous and it comes from this sort of philosophy Jesus Christ would you women listen you are causing problems you are advocating for problems for boys and men and they are trying to tell you look you are wrong you are trying to treat boys like girls and that doesn't work invent the global big pharma industry no but they do take advantage of it because it is so in their interests it is ridiculous but nobody made that point but you that is what we call a straw man secondly I think you're really really confusing what families are saying I think you're really failing to listen when feminists are talking about masculinity in the way that what I'm not saying is men are innately evil and all for what I'm saying is that we live in a rather toxic culture where men are raised and told that they should be competitive and aggressive and detached in their emotions and actually this is wrong and this is not doing men any favors or women any favors for a [ __ ] feminist for [ __ ] sake it's fine for men because men are naturally like that on average most men are like that and when you demonize this when you make it the antithesis of being a good man in society they start killing themselves for [ __ ] saij and it ties in directly to the mental health issues that Martin is talking about with young men and it ties in directly to the women being brutally murdered by their partners every week in Britain they don't have mental health problems unless you think they should be acting like little girls in which case suddenly they do and suddenly like Milo said they need to be drugged your philosophy advocates for drugging children do you think you might be wrong and that's what we're challenging it's not about attacking men it's about challenging the culture that men are being dragged into and saying you don't have to be a part of that there are much better options from how would you [ __ ] know that there are better options for men given that you are not a man you are in no position to judge and the results seem to be going against you I think what you mean is that there are better options for women Lenny I thought you want to come in as a come to us being a cop you gotta remember it's not just it's not just some women who are attacking sort of bloke ish blokes or some bloke ish blokes feel some men are attacking them as well and so on and so forth make your quick point yes no um it's interesting isn't it you said you were stay at home dad forum for a while so this is the last point yes indeed and while stay-at-home fathers actually seen as progressive in this society hey you Stalin stay-at-home dad aren't you brilliant aren't you amazing aren't you doing a wonderful job yet if you're a stay-at-home mother you're retrograde and that is the feminist perspective on state-owned mothers I've yet to hear about men complaining about stay-at-home mothers according to Nick Clegg we're in a Wardian society we live with the harping back to the award Ian days were in rose sepia tinted glasses just because you're a mother so where's that that's sexist I suppose that is sexist I think that there's no chance really of returning to Edwardian values while men as my low points out keep dropping out of society but then it's not going to be the men's problem and it's not gonna be my problem it's going to be women's problem but you know I guess the feminists are still thinking that they can have their cake and eat it to you

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Views: 328,205

Rating: 4.8932986 out of 5

Keywords: Feminism (Literary School Or Movement), Politics (TV Genre), The Establishment

Id: 9KASgSBfY1k

Length: 42min 3sec (2523 seconds)

Published: Sat Mar 21 2015