Fanatec CSL Load Cell VS Thrustmaster T-LCM Pedals!

[Music] check the description for the following discount codes the most obvious and asked question about the new low cell kit for these csls from fnatic is how does it compare to the tlcms from frostmaster they're the closest in price point when you sort of factor in the low cell and i won't have it and it's a very good question now just a point to know i've got the optional face plates on here as well not the standard plastic ones um so just something to bear in mind there is a little bit extra as well now a lot of this will be personal preference so we're going to skip over a couple of things very quickly that are definitely personal preference this is all metal this is mostly plastic the only thing that's metal one here is the actual pedal arms themselves and the face plates whereas on here everything's metal except the standard face plates which are plastic so it's up to you whether you prefer plastic construction or metal construction we don't know whether one will wear out quicker than the other long-term you know that's entirely up to you and the same goes for the looks as well it's going to be up to you whether you prefer this look or this look again personal preference that's up to you so let's talk about how they feel and speaking of how they feel there's going to be no footage of me using these in this video i know there'll always be someone that goes oh this video is useless you didn't put any footage of you using the pedals up unless you've got some sort of sim racing foot telepathy that allows you to feel what my foot is feeling through my videos it makes no difference whether you see me press these like this or with my foot but if you do want to see footage of me using these look at the individual reviews anyway let's talk about the differences and how they feel in use first and foremost the load cell brake pedal now we know there's no adjustment for the low cell brake pedal on the fanatic csls this polymer stack here is how it comes for now maybe they'll bring out a tuning kit later who knows but that's what you've got for now with the thrustmasters you can change these springs here now these are the heaviest springs in here right now and comparing the two back to back the fanatic pedal is much much heavier i can push this all the way until it bottoms out by hand without really any trouble this one i've got absolutely no chance of pushing that and compressing all those elastomers so this is a much heavier and harder to press pedal and as a result has much less travel because if you set the braking force slider in the fanatic control panel to 100 meaning it will use all of its 60 kilogram load cell measuring capacity you have to press this pedal ridiculously hard to hit 100 like my duty amiga chair is literally creaking backwards to do so with this pedal even though it has a hundred kilogram low cell and i'll explain why this is in a minute you can easily reach 100 as i've just demonstrated that's travel mind you that isn't pressure but even with this plugged into the usb port of my computer i can reach 100 braking force by pushing it with my hand you might think carl how does that make any sense that's a hundred kilogram load cell at the bottom here and this is only a 60 kilogram low cell so how can that be well here's the thing it's not about so much the pressure the load cell can measure up to once you're beyond a certain point obviously if you put a one kilogram load cell in these petals then they would you'd be able to hit 100 really like far too easily but once you're above a certain point it almost doesn't matter what matters beyond that point is the geometry of the pedal itself and how it actually applies force to the load cell now on here the fanatics the load cell is literally directly straight line to the to the back of the pedal face where you push it there so there's no or very little leverage assisting your foot to apply pressure to this load cell which means it's harder and what this is all about is leverage if you were to put what's the easiest way to describe this if i was to make this pedal this long and you pushed it up here it would be way easier to hit 100 braking for 60 kilograms on the load cell if i was to get this pedal and chop the top off so it's like flush with the elastomer stack here you'd have to press so much harder a bit like if you were to sort of put your foot here and try and depress this brake pedal down it would be so much harder to hit the maximum 60 kilograms of force that the load cell can register and that's what these two specs actually mean it's how much pressure the individual load cells can register it's not the pressure you feel at your foot or the amount of pressure your foot has to apply because leverage is in play if we now look at the thrust master pedals this pivots at the bottom here as does this one but then we've got this arm that comes up here and then the pressure is applied downward to the load cell and in addition to that there's another arm that branches off up here where you actually put your foot on the pedal so you've got additional leverage helping you push against that 100 kilogram sensor and that's key here it's 100 kilogram sensor it can measure up to 100 kilograms of force so don't be fooled by this only being 60 kilograms of measuring capacity that is not any sort of reflection of how hard you have to press the pedal and as you can see with these two sat here back to back i can depress this one down with ease and this one i can probably barely move like 25 percent of its travel if i put all my body weight on it you know i'm still not fully compressing those elastomers so this is a much heavier and harder pedal in use and just in demonstration compared to this one the only thing i haven't got in here right now is you can actually put a couple of washers in the middle here that remove this initial bit of compression there you see with two fingers that i can compress the silver spring but that's neither here nor there because once that's compressed now we're on the reds which is as hard as they get and it's the reds that i can quite happily compress with my hand without any trouble at all and again this one i really can't so if you like a stiff brake pedal which has a short throw this is the one to go for not this one and as far as the actual force required to hit a hundred percent if you go in their respective control panels and put the braking force up to a hundred percent they're both about the same as in the amount of force you really have to put through your foot to hit a hundred percent even though this has more travel what you've got remember you've got two different things here you've got travel and then pressure once the travel is fully completed so these red springs are compressed then it's just about how much harder you press the pedal almost like a first state well the silver springs the first stage effectively um so once you compress these like that that isn't quite you know that's not 100 yet you then have to apply a load more pressure to hit 100 force whereas with this there's very little travel before you then have to apply the extra pressure needed to hit 100 force in fact this probably isn't quite as hard to hit 100 as what that one is actually it was it was hard it was hard to measure because i'm stopping pedals over and then i'm using my foot and i'm watching the gauges and going back and forth back and forward i think this probably was a little easier to hit 100 braking force actually than what this one was but in reality there's not a whole lot in it what you'll choose what would be your preference is do like a harder stiffer brake pedal that doesn't move very far or do you want one that has a lot more travel in it and is nowhere near as hard to move before it reaches the end of its travel and then you're just talking pressure after that point and this is the heaviest or the strongest springs in here as well so that's the differences harder much less travel softer much more travel and probably that's the most important pedal out of them all really because you know your other pedals your clutch and your accelerator the clutches are both linear clutches there's no simulated clutch spring that you're overcoming or anything like that here like there is on the v3s they're just linear what is different though is how smooth the pedals feel the cle this applies to the accelerators as well the springs on the fanatic pedals are actually at the base of the pedals here um and they're they're a spring that goes round the axle that these pivot on and they have like two little arms that come off and push against the pedal here and against the base and so you're kind of twisting the spring like this as you operate the pedal these ones have springs just at the bottom of the pedal just how this operates in actual fact and so when you're pushing these pedals you are squishing a spring here now that feels completely different to this this operation these are so much smoother they almost feel like hydraulically dampened by comparison whereas these very much feel like you're getting a spring and you're going boing boing boing boing boing you lit it literally you feel it almost bouncing if it's hard to describe but it's very noticeably a fake pedal you know you're like oh yeah i'm just squishing the spring it just wants to ping back look it whereas these whilst of course they ping back as well they just feel hello ori they just feel smoother in operation and i think it's because it's a spring that's twisting like this rather than compressing a coil it's almost like with this as you get toward its full travel that course brings compressing to its maximum and it almost feels a little harder whereas these are much smoother and sort of remain the same level of force the whole way across their travel now as far as how hard they are to press goes my hands and my feet both report back i would say that the accelerators are very very similar and the clutch pedals i think the clutch is a bit heavier on the thrust master but again doing this i'm very much reminded that this feels like you're just squishing a spring whereas these don't these are much smoother and nicer in operation um and you know someone said to me about the accelerator in the comments in another video you're able to modulate your throttle and what have you and the reality of throttle pedals is they almost make no difference right these flashy ones that you can pay 1500 pound for that come with a hydraulic accelerator pedal and load cells are completely pointless and just a waste of everyone's money in real life an accelerator pedal is just a pedal face and a return spring to ping it back up when you let off and it's either a cable that runs through a mechanical throttle body or there are potentiometers or hall sensors on the pedal itself just like you would find in logitech pedals or you know or these pedals here we've got hole sensors that's how they work in real life there's no hydraulic accelerator pedal or any dampening or pneumatics or anything like that it's just a sprung-loaded pedal um with a form of travel measurement either hall effect or potentiometer or a cable if you're old school pull in the throttle butterfly and that then has a potentiometer on the side of it to measure the position of the throttle butterfly funnily enough called a throttle position sensor so don't get hung up on the accelerator pedals as long as they are smooth and you're happy with how far they travel i suppose that might be something worth just talking about what is the travel like again it's very very similar there's not they almost travel exactly the same distance so there isn't a whole lot of throttle pedal technology to chat about anyway and with these linear clutches the same thing applies they're nothing like a real clutch in a real car this one feels very much like you're squishing a spring and this one feels a bit like the accelerator just a bit heavier you know but these are entry mid-range pedals so you're not going to get fancy clutches but that's probably all we need to talk about um my preference shorter throw harder brake pedal overall smoother operation of these because it's a twisting spring rather than a compressing spring on the other two pedals and i prefer the appearance especially if you pay extra for these face plates this one personal preference if you prefer the look of this and the plastic construction that's entirely up to you um much lighter brake pedal even with the heavier springs in much further travel the other two pedals very much feel like you're squishing squishy springs and aren't particularly smooth by comparison so and finally with these with these load cells in use set to maximum probably not a lot in it maybe a little bit easier to hit 100 um on the thrust masters than it is on the fanatics and again do not get hung up on 60 kilogram versus 100 kilogram this pedal has a load of leverage that assists it this one does not so the reality of that is your foot has to press pretty similarly um to reach 100 on either pedal but yes i think that's probably it any questions stick them in the comments and as always thank you very much for watching and take it easy

Channel: Karl Gosling

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Length: 15min 8sec (908 seconds)

Published: Wed Nov 24 2021