Eric Owen Moss: “I’ll See It When I Believe It”

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Thank you all for coming. This is really quite an honor for me to introduce Eric. I remember last time he was here, Michael probably remembers as well, he and Michael got into a shouting match across Piper over the words that Fredric Jameson was using in describing post-modernism. It was fabulous. [LAUGHTER] I won't say who won. I don't think there was a winner. Who's still here? [LAUGHTER] Well, that's a-- that's a subjective-- that's a subjective statement, of which I am also still here. What difference does it make? And Eric is here again. Oh, which really tells you a lot about the advancement of the discipline I guess. So it's been almost 20 years since I have done an introduction. So you'll have to be a little patient here. I'll try to get through this very quickly to listen to what Eric has got to tell us. Eric Owen Moss has occupied an extraordinary personal space in architecture for over 40 years. And remarkably, in doing so, remains a speculative, elusive soul. Simultaneously, he has spend 100% of his time transforming one of the world's most influential schools of architecture, 100% of his time in the practice of architecture, and 100% of his time contributing to the well-being and culture of his native city, Los Angeles. He has defined a disciplinary realm within architecture, few, if any of us, will truly ever understand, let alone visit with our own work. For me, and I believe for many others, it would be impossible to address the work of Eric Owen Moss without referring directly to his own words of his intentions in architecture. I got this damn thing. I brought it all the way from Atlanta. [LAUGHTER] This is his book, 1,500 pages, 1,500 pages. It's called Eric Owen Moss, Construction Manual. It's only for 20 years of his life in architecture. Your announcement, by the way, was a little confusing about his age. It sounded like he was born in 1973. It was '43, the same as me. [LAUGHTER] Somewhere in this book, a 1,500 page book, chronicling Eric's work, there are four statements that for me best provides a insight into how he sees the possibility for making architecture. The first is, "When I don't know what becomes now, I know architecture is finished." "When last year's words become next year's words, architecture is done." "The truth is never an enduring paradigm. But a provisional one, in tension between its aspirations and a realization of the limits of its aspirations." And lastly, "No durable signature is my signature. My signature is never dry." I believe you have to see the life of the world to be an architect of distinction. And to sustain that distinction, you have to make raw what you see. I was trying to think about how I could possibly describe the work of Eric. And the only thing I can think of is David Letterman. Do you people know who David Letterman is? [LAUGHTER] I may be showing my age here. David Letterman used to have this bit that he did. It was my favorite one. We watched David Letterman every single night. We left the office to get home by 11:35 to see David Letterman. And the reason was that he, every night, reinvented television. It was amazing. And he had this one skit where he built up all this anxiety. I mean it seemed like 10 minutes. He talked about, OK, listen. Here's what's going to happen. The curtain's drawn. And he had this fake, like, big huge velvet curtain thing. He said, now behind the curtain is a person who is going to do a performance. Now, don't panic. Try to remain calm. It could be dangerous. It could be very easy. There's no telling what is going to happen. And then he would pause. And he said, OK, now what's going to happen, he's going to do, when you open the curtain, something happened. And he said, then the curtain is going to close. And then Paul Shaffer, the band leader, and I are going to decide if it was something or if it was nothing. Now, Paul would go first. And then I'll-- and then he would start all over again. Now, understand what's going to happen now. First of all, remain calm. And then we'll vote. So he opens a curtain. And it will always be something like a guy in, like, way too tight leotards, standing on his head, on a unicycle, juggling oranges, or something with his feet. And he'll do the act. And they closed the curtain. The audience usually claps. He lets that sort of subside. And then he says to Paul, Paul, what do you think? And Paul says, ah, it's something. It's definitely something. David would say, ah, I think it was nothing. And then they would go to commercial. That was it, no other reaction and never referring back to it. Unlike David, Eric is still fabricating the anxiety of anticipation with his audience, while relishing in the response and moving on to the next intention. He's not David. And he's not Paul. And he's not the juggler. Eric is the person defining the next disciplinary challenge. I want all of you to give Eric Owen Moss a great welcome back to the GSD. [APPLAUSE] You know what, it's not this with you, it's this. Thank you very much. Nice to be here. I was just walking over and I went by a shuttle bus, a small bus. And on the side of the bus it said, "Veritas." That's Harvard. You got to be a serious character to ride in that bus. [LAUGHTER] In fact, I-- it's nice to hear laughter at Harvard. Is that allowed? And I have to say, the last time I was here, a few years back, the podium used to say "Veritas." And I notice they've taken that down. [LAUGHTER] So there must be a reason for that. Moisan can enlighten you. Speaking of walking over here, I was just ruminating a little bit about the ubiquitous Friedrich Nietzsche, which is not to dump a lot of esoterica on anybody. But sometimes, notwithstanding reputations, people like that are of some use to people like us. And there was a line that went something like this, from Zarathustra. Nobody tells me anything new. Nobody tells me anything new. So I tell myself my own story. You know that one? Do you like one? And the question in all of these discussions, of which there are now so many, about art, and architecture, and what it means-- there are many more discussions than there are progenitors. And the question is, if we try to talk to each other, because this is an exchange, is life private, and personal, and introverted, or is it exchangeable, transferable? Can we talk to each other? Can we hear a story? I think we can hear a story. Because I think in Mack representing the sorts of work that we have done, which starts to sound a little arcane, and I hope it's not. And I think there is something in my story which is communal, which we all share. And then there's another question, which is, if Nietzsche is not correct, which wouldn't be the first time, is there a common language? Is there a way to talk about this stuff, this work? Is there is there a frame of reference that we can share so that you have some idea and I have some idea-- what you're saying and have some idea what I'm saying? So this is part of the subject matter. Can we talk about this? Can we share this? Do we belong to each other and what we actually belongs to something that you, perhaps in a different way, in a different form, also touch? Which brings us to Mr. Durer, on your left. So please don't tell me this is only Western Europe and there was Africa, and Asia, and so on, and so on. But at least in Western Europe-- so this is the end of the 15th century on you're left-- for students of Revelation. There must be a few here. So we got war, famine, pestilence, death. We have a spectacular, remarkable well-known woodcut, where the images are known, but the narrative is also known, meaning that this is something which is shared, which is understood. You see it. You can read. You see it. You can't. You understand. So there is something in the form language that's shared. Now, dial it up another 400 years. So you know what's coming. But Braque, Gris, Picasso, those characters. By the way, if you look around 1900, I'd defy you, unless you're an expert, to distinguish between those artists actually. So Braque, Gris, Picasso. And now, one starts to need an interpreter or a translator. [RINGING] Oh, I never turn it off because I'm afraid something might happen to one of the kids. So we got Braque, Gris, and Picasso. And as I said, an interpreter is required. Now, the discourse starts to be privatized. And I think my point would be, we're continuing in that direction. So what might bail us out of that? What could we count on? What would give us some consistency, some predictability, maybe science. So this is Phobos. You all know Phobos. You know the steeds of Mars? Mars has these two strange rocks rattling around its periphery. It's not a sphere. It rotates the wrong way, meaning it rotates retrograde. So the only point is that, without getting into a complicated discussion of Darwin, and Newton, and so on, that those ideas as well, and the language that accompanies them, are also to some extent not only ephemeral, not consistent, and not entirely shared. Meaning science itself has its problems. And what comes from that, I think, is a question for all of us. And it's an enduring question. What is literature? What is music? What is architecture? So on your left, you got to tell me if that's a plan or a section? But it's a map of Finnegan's Wake. But it's not a literal map. It's a more conceptual, abstract map. And if you play with that book-- I don't know if any of you have tried. You should. But if you play it with the book, you will, of course, know that the beginning is at the end. If there is an end and a beginning, which is also a debatable point. If you write a sentence, if your kid is in middle school, and you say, hey, capital letter, noun, verb, period. That's a sentence. Is it? So along comes E.E. Cummings and James Joyce. Or the question of the form of the language, is it mappable? How is it spoken? How is it written, structure of reading, end is the beginning, beginning is the end. And then you come to John Cage. You know Cage. So is music harmony? Is music auditory? Is music visual. I always thought this was a little unfair because for the musicians who play it, they're the only ones who get to see it. We just get to listen to it. But never mind. Music is auditory. Is it? Music is visual. Is it? Categories, categories of language, or learning, or literature, or music start to break down. And I think this is a good thing. I think it's a perfect thing. Because it-- [RINGING] Jesus Christ. Stop. A structural engineer, something's falling down. [LAUGHTER] If he calls twice, that's a-- If he calls once, it's congratulations. If he calls twice, you're going to-- And then, and then our old friend, on the right, and Mussolini's as well, Giuseppe Terrangni, who makes the Danteum, as you know, which is a journey. So it's architecture as a journey through the Divine Comedy, hell, purgatory, and paradise. Meaning the structure of these pieces that surround us, what's literature, what's music, what's architecture? This is a good thing. But it makes it more difficult to say what it is and what it isn't, which is why we're all here. You know this? You know the one on the left? Yeah. So on the left is the Roman cistern-- the cistern-- cistern, across the street from Hagia Sophia in Istanbul. You know it? Most of you, you know it. Yeah. And it's fascinating. And I think the point really has to do with how culture moves and how architecture moves, not in a Darwinian sense, increment by increment, but sometimes cataclysmically, as an attack by one culture or one architect on another. So you can do that too. You're here to learn to attack, not to genuflect. OK. So these are the Romans. So the Romans, what's their story? So there's a Greek temple nearby, where the ubiquitous Medusa-- remember the Medusa, with the snakes? And you hold it up and you turn to stone. So be careful. Don't look. So that was a temple. This is a capitol, one of the capitals of the temple. So this is my exit, Jesus. So I'm responsible for it. Nobody said it was so. Nobody has, in historical art, historians, has since demonstrated that it's so. But my sense is that the Romans came and they dismantled the Greeks. The Romans don't have Aeschylus. They don't have Phidias. They got aqueducts. They got roads. They got coliseums. So it's a very different culture, different in scale, different in content. But you can't quite kill what you can't be. But they try. So they take the capital of the Medusa, the capital. They flip it upside down. And they stick it under water. So this is the Romans talking to the Greeks, my analysis. You're done, upside down. You're under water. And this is how they made the cistern. Meanwhile, Mr. Cervantes-- so you know the story of the Don, right, and Sancho. And you've heard many of the analysis of that. And Sancho, let's say, Sancho Panza, who is his sidekick, nominally his sidekick in the days when chivalry is ending in Spain. And Sancho is everyman, the more pragmatic, the more practical, the more conventional point of view. And the Don is something else. Perhaps Sancho is the extrovert and the Don is the introvert. And again, if you go back to the original Nietzsche discussion, is it inside, is it private, is it introverted, is it extroverted? This is also a Jungian discussion. Is it introverted, is it extroverted, and what makes you what you are? Is it this or is it this? Of course, it's probably both. But in this cartoon or in this caricature, the Don is the introvert; Sancho, the extrovert. So that Don and Sancho show up on the hill. And the Don says, they're giants. I'm going to attack the giants. And Sancho says, what the hell's the matter with you? They're windmills. They're just windmills. And the Don says, no. They're giants. And he charges, and so on. And the question to you is, who was right, giants or windmills? [MUSIC PLAYING] So this is from a film by Victor Sjostrom. You should-- and I don't know if Netflix has it. It's called The Wind. Do you know it? Do you know it? Sjostrom a Swedish director, 1928, Lillian Gish. The animation interested me. But here's really the point. The film is called The Wind. What's the wind? We're done here. We go out the door. It's windy. You put on a coat, you put on your hat, and you walk away. So this is Sancho's dealing with the wind. The Don says, no. The wind is a horse flying in the sky. That's the wind. And in a certain fundamental way, that transmutation in architecture, the wind is the wind, no, the wind is a horse in the sky, I think is what the architecture aspires to do, build the horse in the sky. This is a little more of the same. This is Lucian Freud. Again, this question of artist as subject and artist as object. And another point, which not only he has made, but what can we know outside of ourselves, which it wouldn't necessarily presume, I guess, we would know ourselves too, or could we? But the point seems to be that when we're outside of that, we're lost. So his subject, subject and object, is himself. And I was looking around when I put this together a couple of days ago. And I was trying to find a project that was analogous to that, something that would confirm-- there's always an autobiographical piece in this discussion. And this was a project that was done maybe 20 years ago or so. It's a small project. It was clumsily done. This is a sketch model. And the model was made with a piece of lemon. So it's lemon. But it wasn't made with a piece of lemon, so I could walk into Piper Auditorium and say, hey, guess what? I made something out of a piece of lemon. Isn't that fascinating? It's not like that. And it shouldn't be understood in that way. I mean it's walled out like that. But we were working on something. And we were trying to make something that was actually a tension between possibilities. It wasn't a single thing. But it was in between things. And the line of the lemon actually sufficed and began to suggest. And then ultimately, the transmutation of that, which is always also critical, was into blocks, which are orthogonal pieces. So at first it was a curve, that wasn't a curve. And then the curve became a block, which in the end wasn't a block either. I think I have an image of that later. I guess the point would be that-- I refer to this as clumsy-- that what I was doing was making something that I was unsure of. So there wasn't a lot to rely on except my own instinct and a strange kind of self-confidence, I have to say, which I could never really account for, or explain, or blame on my mom or my dad, or however it came to be. But to take on the making of things and the development of ideas knowing that there is a certain amount of risk, not in a melodramatic way, but in terms of an ability to actually give to a client what a client needs in a more conventional way. So it starts out as an exploration. And if we get it right, by the end maybe we mastered it, which means it's time to do something else. [MUSIC PLAYING] So my dad was a writer. And when he wasn't writing whatever he was writing, he was making lists. And he used to make lists of words and the interrelationship of words in many different ways, in many different forms. And over a period of years, now probably in the last three or four years, every time I lecture like this, I have this list. This is my list. It's ongoing. It has nothing to do with programs. It has nothing to do with costs. It has nothing to do with sites. It has nothing to do with any of the sort of conventional programmatic, pragmatic questions. This is just a list. [MUSIC PLAYING] I want to say maybe it's in a dictionary. But it's a dictionary that in the Finnegans Wake sense, wouldn't necessarily start with A and end with Z. So that it would add letters and subtract letters over a long period of time. And I think what happens, and what happens to me when we work, is that there really is an a priori dictionary so that even the idea of originating a conceptual idea at the onset of a project is a little disingenuous only because this-- and the more time goes, the longer the list gets. And maybe we need to cut it or jettison it. But there is something that precedes the work that we do. And that's the list. [MUSIC PLAYING] Maybe it's too long. Do you think the pieces are too much alike? Well, here's the next one. [LAUGHTER] But this is different, maybe. So there is a discussion that you only do in your life, as an architect, one project. It's all one project. It's not this site, or that site, or the other site. It's never that. It's one building. Here's the one building. The other argument, which isn't contradicted by the first, is there are no buildings ever, discrete pieces. There are just pieces of things. These are the pieces. [MUSIC PLAYING] You know what helps is the screen waves. Huh. So this adds something that wasn't anticipated. Speaking of dictionaries, this is an area of about 25 by 26 kilometers, south and east of Nanjing, in a country that will go nameless. There are four sites. And this is a project we started to work on in 2013. There are four sites. And the conceptual discussion has to do with making a new city in a wetlands area. And I have to say, as a premise, this is not an ideological exercise where somebody gets points for being green, and sustainable, and preserving water, and saving the landscape, and all of the sort of litany of criteria which accompanies what I think is in many ways an incredibly self-righteous component of the discussion of architecture, which is not to discredit it, but to mitigate the credit. I don't know what constitutes environmentalism. It's an open discussion. It's a part of a discourse. It's part of the discourse we share. But how to do it and what its obligations are is part of this study. It's a big study. It's complicated. I just wanted to give you an idea about it, and its scale, and its essential premise or premises. And there are a few. One of which is, we don't know what constitutes environmentalism. But there is an argument here that we'll try any number of different possibilities. In other words, rule number one, you don't get to do the same thing twice. So it's a dexterity discussion. There is an interest in preserving the forms of water. There's an interest in water aesthetically, visually. There's a discussion of infrastructure and the role of infrastructure. For any of you have spent any time in a city like Los Angeles, it's zoned. Nominally, there's some kind of zoning thing, whatever it is. But it's zoned, in fact, with river beds, concrete river beds; and freeways; and railway rights-of-way; and power line rights-of-way. The premise here is that there is no infrastructure solely. But the infrastructure belongs to the architecture. And the architecture belongs to the infrastructure. This is also not a planning project. And if somebody says, I'm doing this as a planning project, it's not about architecture. Or this is a piece of architecture, it's not about planning. So for effort, the hypothesis, is to have the planning obligate architecture. And reciprocally, have the architecture work back on the planning. There are other questions here. I mentioned the dictionary and the role of the dictionary. There are topological issues, organizational issues, that in a sense are a priori. That means they exist without form. And they become topologies that have a form, but haven't yet landed in the site. And then they add the typography. So somewhere between that topology and the typography and the topography of the site, we integrate those pieces and begin to make and develop the four very different areas. I'm not going to go through all of the programmatic pieces. But again, there are four fundamental areas, essentially a flat site. The areas are connected with a tram that we're building, with roads and with the canals. So anyway, four sites. The yellow is-- all right, this ain't going-- but the yellow material is what we're adding. Whoops. Backwards. So the yellow-- anyway, this is the four. This is called the Mountain Island City. This is called the Bridge City. This is called the Superblock City . And this is called city wall, city gate, the Citadel City. So I'll just go through and give you a look. So this is the Mountain Island. Here, I actually extended a lake to include the flood plain. The islands are all man-made. And the Mountain Island, meaning there is this area for development, and this area for development. Here is what we call the Bridge City, which is, again, a piece of infrastructure, which is not solely infrastructure. But has to do with a variety of programmatic uses developed over the lake. The Superblock, the Superblock City, which is a variety of dense cities surrounding an existing piece of freeway. And the Citadel, which is actually an area at the top of a mountain, then percolating down into the landscape below. All of these pieces deal with water in a very particular way. I said it was visual. And we're interested in that experience. But the idea, of course, as you all know, is to catch it, to collect it, to preserve it, to filter it, to let it flow by gravity, producing hydroelectric power, to catch it again; to use photovoltaics to power up, to send it back where it was during the night, let it fall during the day, and so on. So there's a water cycle in all of these circumstances, that are also part of the story. And the way we did this, I would say these are the typologies. These are the topologies. These are the typologies. For instance, this is what we call a stacked island. This is part of the hillside. So in the discussion of environment, does the building deal with the environment in a more effective way if it sits on the land, in the land, under the land, over the land? So tell me because I don't know. So we're looking at the assets and liabilities. But this is a piece on the hill. This is again the Mountain Island, on the hill, into the hill, stacked island, courtyard on the water, edge of the water, and so on. The hill side. And there are a series of programmatic pieces, again following the hill. This is the tram station, following the hill; dam up here, catching the water; performance area, lifted above the hill. So on the hill, in the hill, over the hill, under the hill. Now, we're on the Bridge City; again, a number of topological pieces. This is actually a tower, a turbine tower. You see the turbine tower is here. The bridge over the river, floating components, and so on. [RINGING] Is that me? Jesus. This is the Bridge City structure. So these pieces of the bridge are inhabited, all sorts of programmatic components, rafts floating in the water. So again, in the water, on the water, under the water, over the water. And the Superblock City, a variable piece, which is described somewhere in here, maybe here. And then the Citadel. What we call the Tributary Village, city wall, city gate; come in, tram comes in, water comes out. And this is a project that was done in the early 2000s. There was a competition for the Mariinsky, in St. Petersburg, which you know is the Kirov. But this is spectacular, huh? So this is the Neva River, no facsimile to the Charles, which freezes, and melts, and refreezes. And one of the things, and certainly history will teach us this, that belongs to Russia, is that the seasons in Russia are not simply seasons but seem to be ways of life. So the Russian winter has a very particular kind of character, which I think-- this, by the way, is an iceberg, which came to be the Russian name for the project when we first did the competition. This is the Mariinsky Theatre. This is the Kryukov Canal. This is the site for the second building. This is a 19th century project. And I don't know whether you're fans of ballet. I've gotten to know it a bit because my daughter's a dancer. But if you know a little bit about the Kirov, in a certain sense if it weren't snowing, they could perform on any street corner on Earth. They're spectacular. They're wonderful. It gives your life a different meaning. This is a very unique and special group of people, with a very particular history. And I think our sense in doing-- this is the original scheme, which they called "The Iceberg," that won the competition, although it metamorphasized a bit. And my sense was always, working with Valery Gergiev, who is the creative director, and people who belong to the Kirov or to the Mariinksy, less so the Russian side of the thing, which is a very complicated story, notwithstanding their current fiasco with Mr. What's His Name, and Putin, and so on, and so on. Russia-- Churchill said, a riddle, in a mystery, wrapped in an enigma. I don't think that's changed a hell of a lot. So we did the project in a time when Russia had moved from Brezhnev, to Gorbachev, to Yeltsin, and was just turning the corner to Putin. So it might have been a time a little bit like the Kerensky era, after the Czar and before Lenin, where the prospects that Russia might become something other than it was. And maybe it can't do that and maybe it can. But I think the meaning of the project was a colossal optimism. Which is another characteristic, I have to say, which belongs to the work that we do, which doesn't seem always to be justified by the circumstances you're facing. And nevertheless, for some accountable and unaccountable reason, it's part of the story. So this is a clay model done early in the project. And this is the original 19th century job. It's a huge, huge project. He had to produce nine operas simultaneously, which has never been done. The inside, which in the original scheme was actually asymmetrical, which raises a whole series of acoustical questions-- we'll discuss that in the next lecture. And this is the original scheme, the winning scheme. And I think maybe if Nakazawa had been around to advise us, we probably wouldn't have done this. But we stuck it in the-- [LAUGHTER] Nah. He knows some stuff that we don't know. And we stuck it in the Russian pavilion in the Biennale, one of the Biennales. So there was that and there was the Bolshoi. And it raised a lot of commotion, which is entertaining, but ultimately not very helpful. So they decided to do a second competition. So this is the second one. And I can actually remember-- I probably shouldn't say this. But in making an attempt to dovetail a little bit more with this sort of 18th, 19th century traditions, of St. Petersburg, which belongs in many ways to Western Europe, again in a classical schizophrenic, Russian way, in talking about the building divided into three pieces. And I remember Piritz coming up to me-- he was on the jury-- after the discussion and saying, Jesus, Eric, that sounded terrific. And then we looked at it. [LAUGHTER] So that's probably a little too self-deprecatory for him. But it's a true story. And it went through a whole series of-- they finally built it in 2015, with a Canadian firm, a firm from Toronto. And they built an ice cube, not an iceberg. This was the second scheme that we did. So this must be 10, 12 years ago, something like that. This is another one done at about the same time, the Queens Museum of Art, and a fascinating building. This is an international competition that we won. And the building has a very particular history, not only for America. I mean it belongs to the World's Fair site, World's Fair 1936-1964. So all of that. But it was also the first location for the new or newly made UN General Assembly. And they partitioned both Palestine and Korea in this building. So one could say to this day the consequences of what was done in that building belong to the contemporary world, for better and or for worse. So we knew we were dealing with a particular piece of history. There it is, next to the World's Fair site. And the ever-present Mr. Moses there, who is responsible for all that. And then I think the sketch is I think reasonably self-explanatory. By the way, which probably means it wasn't done that way. So there is a discussion of, guess what, we did this, A, B, C, D. You see? And it follows this logic. When, in fact, if we retreated, which is often the case, to the list or the dictionary, the solution proceeds the analysis which claims to be responsible for the solution. You know what I mean? [LAUGHTER] Not entirely. Go, man. This is also a piece of our discussion, which seems very often to have to do with excavating the site, meaning you can try. But you can't move us. We're dug in. By the way, we know how to build this. We know how to do it. And we did it roughly the same time a little earlier for the LA Philharmonic. So it is, to some extent again, a question of making something and learning how to build it. But this we knew how to do. This is another competition, done a few years later for the Smithsonian. This is the MCI Center. This is in DC. This again belongs to the 19th century. And the project was, give us a roof. Because this is Washington, DC in the Bush era. So, of course, they wanted to build Democracy's Room, very appropriate. So the problem was to make a roof for that. And these are glass tubes, somewhere between 4 and 8 meters in length, roughly a meter in diameter. And the making of the glass, or the points of the glass, belongs by analogy to this, what always was fascinating to me, the Seurat work. You know Seurat, huh? And Sunday in the Park at least you know. And it was always quite fascinating because the sociological content of those paintings, or many of them, are extremely conservative. If you look at the bank, at the sand, and everybody is behaving. And the dog is on the leash, and so on. And yet, the painterly content of that work is extremely radical. It's the dots and the points. So anyway, I extrapolated from that. But the points, the points actually-- and the way this works-- and I have to say also, in looking at a number of these things, I think I have to acknowledge there's a very particular fascination with glass and the biblical admonition-- I think it's an admonition-- that life is understood not so clearly, but as if through a glass darkly. So this maybe you've be heard. But later, presumably in the next place, it clears up. So whether we get to the next place or not, or whether it clears up. But the idea of a glass, which is there, and not there, and can play both roles, and the tension between the possibilities, I think is of great interest to me. And the hypothesis here-- you have to say, we won this thing. We won this thing. And they took it away. They gave it to Sir Norman. They said we couldn't build it, that it wasn't buildable. Even though we walked in with half of Europe, and London, and New York. And they said you can't build it. The way we were doing it-- these are Vierendeels. This is existing. This is existing, a series of Vierendeel trusses. And then these trusses span between the Vierendeels. And you can see here the cable, and here the strut. And there's a glass roof on top. And then the lengths of the tubes actually belong to a different programmatic disposition in this space. This is the perimeter of the space. And programmatically they said, OK, among other things-- why? Did I blow somebody's eyes out? Sorry. That there have to be two venues for presentation, like theatrical presentation, but not like Carnegie Hall. But something which is plausible. And one was a smaller venue and one was a larger venue. And these are the stages. So that the topography of the ceiling, which is translated into Seurat, which is into the points, which are the glass tubes, which are the compression members of the chords of the truss, belong not only to the structure, they hold up the glass roof span between the Vierendeels. But also work acoustically with a form, which belongs to the program of presentation. And this is actually an amalgamation of these two. This is another one. I think Peter Rowe is actually a friend or a colleague from the GSD, going back a ways, was on this jury. I don't know whether the results matter. I thought we won this. Yet, he gave us second place. Sometimes I think people are more interested in the story than the result. But maybe that varies from place to place. Anyway, this is the northwest center of Mexico City. This is a train station, which was about to be rehabilitated. And this is the site for the Mexican National Library. So this is another one of these invited competitions. And this was the first step-- actually, you can read this-- but the street. And then an elaboration on the streets. And then this acoustic mound, which buffered this transition between the trains and the library. And then the program. And then a series of courtyards here. There are actually four courtyards that belong to four programs in four seasons. And then finally, rolling up the front, to make this public space, that belongs to the train and to the building. I'd like to say something about this. I'm not quite sure how to describe it. But somebody invited me recently to Abu Dhabi. And said, Eric, can you give us a lecture? And can you tell us how the architecture here can be more consistent with the history of the area? And my response, obviously, was a little bit late for that discussion. But there is something about this intersection of a new culture, which seems to be more of an international proposition maybe, and a local history. And one of the things that we were looking at here was what belonged to Teotihuacan, or to Uxmal, or to Chichen Itza, or to the history, which is a spectacular history, of pre-Columbian buildings? And is there an exchange? Is there something that might belong to this project that would make it different than if we were building it in Guangzhou or something? So that was part of the discussion. Now, whether that was managed successfully or not, you can tell me in the restaurant. But this is part of the aspiration making. This is a study model, and the train, and so on. So four programmatic courts. And again, the form of the court belongs to the season. So for purposes, operational purposes, four seasons. And then the making of the courtyards so that they belong to the spring, summer, fall, and winter. Here's another one, a little bit later, in Almaty, in Kazakhstan, a peculiar place by my lights, for many reasons. And we were asked to participate in a competition for what I guess we call euphemistically a mixed-use project, whatever that really means. But in a developer sense, it probably has to do with, gee, there are hotels, and there are retail, an housing, and now all of those things. So without trying to get into what that means or what it omits. So this was the program. And then we were actually working with Guy. Do you guys know Guy Nordenson? He was working with us on this project, as structural engineer. And the area is problematic in terms of seismic issues. So we introduced, in a conceptual way, the strategy that the building might be elastic in quite a literal way. I know "literal" is considered a pejorative term, not esoteric enough. But nevertheless, in a literal way, to see whether we could make a building that would respond to the seismic conditions. So this is the program, the light wells, and the beginning of the development of the interrelationship of the program and the base. And you can see as it begins to transform. Guy's first reaction was, my recollection, that if we did that, the building, which is not far from China, would wind up in China. Meaning that what we had done was conceptually intelligible, but had to be substantially modified or dumbed down in a way. And we did that with a cable net. But you can start to see how this came to be modified. Since we were working on this, somebody asked this us to do something in the Biennale. So we built it in the Biennale, to see how that would work. And then you can see how the cable net worked, which solved the problem in this direction, but didn't solve in this direction. So the housing components actually turned out to be braces perpendicular to the direction of the main frame. And it's a series of-- This is a public space. So when you're in that space, you have access to all of the different functions of the project. And then it opens up. So there's a reciprocity between what's inside and Republic Square, and back and forth. Another one, roughly the same time. You probably know this one. So this is Guangdong Museum. And this is the Pearl River. This is the site for the museum there. And I think our argument, which is an easy one to make, is that speaking of ubiquitous, the commercial development of the city, which is pouring over the city in all directions and it hasn't stopped. And what we proposed was to make this mound and to say, this is the line where commerce ends and the arts begin, on the edge of the river. So this is the mound. And on the mound, we proposed something we called the Glass Forest. So this is a mound. This is a walk. And the walk between the opera house and the museum, we called the Long March. And these pieces, they're really essentially two programmatic components. The solids, that is no light. And the other pieces, which programmatically could tolerate light. And the way this works, contrary to commerce in Guangzhou, is a much more introverted world, a garden. So one comes across the mound into this area. And then enters into this site, in and down. So more introverted. This is a series of diagrams. And this is again the Long March, the Glass Forest, the mound in here, and then entering the garden. Again, a much more introverted world vis-a-vis commerce and Guangzhou. This one, very recent, the Angewandte in Vienna, quite an unusual school or it has an unusual history, 20th century, 20th century, 19th century. And this was also an invited competition. I don't know, a couple of years ago. I'll show it to you just briefly. And this came out of an instinct, what we called the birds on a wire, existing, existing, existing. And then loops, which end what we called the dead ends. So the end of dead ends. And those birds had studios, had cafe, had exhibition and jury area, all of that. There was a development of the site. This is the existing 19th century building. And that leads actually-- this drawing was done by a lady who belongs to you guys, I think, apparently-- the Apocalypse, as it's been called. I think this is the last of a series of competitions. We just did this a couple months of ago. We were invited to do, again, Russia, the Russia National Bank, which is Putin's bank. So when all else fails in Russia, Sberbank will remain standing, we think. There was something about, again, Russia, the riddle and the mystery, and all of that, was once known as the White City. This is that Jura limestone. It goes back to the 13th and 14th century. Again, to extrapolate the discussion of Mexico, the Mayans, the Aztecs, Uxmal, Chichen Itza, and how to bring something forward, which belongs to a pedigree, without literally reconstituting it. So I'll run through some of this. This is Skolkovo Technocenter. So Putin, aspiring to make another Silicon Beach, Silicon Valley, all of that. So the bank is the heart of that project, a huge project, 130 square meters on this site. This is the site, as given. This is about 500 meters in here. About 300 in here. And the beginning of the making of an organizational strategy, which we called the Polar Grid. There is a program, a kind of great hall program. I don't know if you've run into it here. But there seems to be a fair amount of discussion now about what's called the New Workplace, the New Workplace, which seems to have to do with a lot of technology firms. So women have little children, people bring their dogs. It's interesting. And I'll show you this project in a minute. We did one in Los Angeles recently, for a company called Omelet. And a friend and his girlfriend went up there the other night, went to see the project. And the owner came out and served us beer. So they serve beer. They have wagons with Cheerios, and all of that. And somewhere there's ping-pong. Does that sound foreign? I think it's not. Whether it's sophisticated enough for you, I'm not sure. But it's ubiquitous. It's all over the place and seems to belong to a group of people I think the CNN pollsters call Millennials, whatever exactly that may mean. And the program, the way this was given to us, was introduce this hall as an area for socialization, for information, for restaurants, for gathering, for the entire area of Skolkovo, which they are in the process of building. So I'll just run through this. These are executive meeting centers, again a huge, huge project. I'll only show this because this has to do with the intersection, a particular structural piece, which is made both with a pipe, and then the end of the pipe is actually crushed in order to make the intersection with another piece. So this is obviously the great hall, executive floor, offices, media center, theaters, a complex program. I think this is the last of these. We were asked about a year or two ago-- maybe you know the Mayor for Urban Affairs in Barcelona, Antoni Vives. And this is a project for Termicas, which was a power plant built in the 1970s and terminated in 2010. And will be converted to a mixed use project. [MUSIC PLAYING] I cut some of it off. There was a piece that had to do with, again, the environmental discussion, with the tide coming in, holding it, letting it go. But I'll skip to the next piece, which has to do with an area in the center of Los Angeles, where we've been working for more than 20 years for a very unusual client, a woman and a man, who inherited much of the area, at the time a disintegrating area of manufacturing that was mostly going to Mexico or to East Asia. And it feels now very much like making something from what was originally not very much. It began as an experimental project that was quite fragile. And has become over a period of time now, and maybe this is predictable in a way, that the politics, the sociology, and economics of our culture first looks askance at something and then begins to be interested in it. And then in the end, if you're not careful, they swallow you. So it starts as, we don't want it. And it winds up with, you belong to us. You have to be careful of that. So whether that's resistible or not, I'm not so sure. They're a series of sites. By the way, I should say that Los Angeles is-- whatever constitutes a city, it probably has its own area for discourse in terms of what it is and how it's made. But one of the issues is that there is Hollywood, and West Hollywood, and Santa Monica, and Beverly Hills, and Burbank, and Culver City, and all of that. So it's not a homogeneous jurisdiction. It's multiple jurisdictions. And the often used, not to say abused, term "fragmentation" probably applies to any attempt to plan in a consistent way over long distances what that city might be. Which has allowed, in a different way, a lot of piecemeal development. So this is an area which straddles. This is what's called, in here, the Los Angeles River. Euphemistically speaking, it's a hunk of concrete. And water runs through it. And this is actually Los Angeles. And this is Culver City. So I'll run through this quickly and give you an idea of something. You can see the dimensions here, to give you an idea. This is one piece of the project. There are several pieces. This is a project. I must have shown this here a number of years ago. It was done in the late '90s for Cineon Kodak, an air rights building, in the air, over this road, for Cineon Kodak. In an area which is really the riot zone, the 1992 riot zone. So it was the first building, new building, that was built in that area. And then we began recently to add to that. This has been purchased and remodeled by this owner. And then there are a series of steps. These are 10,000 square foot pods for start-up companies. That building proposed to be enlarged. And then there are two towers. So this is a project, which is about to start now. So you have to be patient. Don't forget about that. So patience has a different definition I think in architecture, than in almost any other endeavor. It's important to keep it in mind. So this project has been around for about 16 years. It started, I think, in the late '90s, 2000. And it began as an exhibition that we were asked to do at the Wexner in Ohio. And in that project, that's an Eisenman project, which is essentially a discussion of grids. I start with Z grid. And the grid is bent, and the grid is turned, and the grid is microwave. Whatever happens to the grid, but it's always the grid. And in a Hippodamus, Miletus, chasing it all the way back, in the sense of what the grid might be, the one thing that it doesn't seem to indicate is, in Yate's his old phrase, the center doesn't hold. The grid has no center, although it might imply one with absence. So the Dancing Bleachers project had actually to do with introducing a different kind of geometry, that suggested a different organizational hypothesis. There might not be a center. But there might, which is absent from the strategy at the Wexner. So we built that. Another one we did a little bit later, at the flak tower in Vienna, for Peter Noever. And roughly the same time, we started to work on this project, which came to be called the Wrapper. And that project was originally two hours-- two towers, not two hours, two towers. It's been about two hours. But two towers. And the beginning of the description of the exchange in this, what we call a polar grid, which I think is a contradiction in terms. But the idea that a center might exist around this block. Again, this belongs to 1999 or so. This is close to the current version. This is the Kodak building. This is the river, Los Angeles, the riot area, and Culver City over here. So this is the plan as it's presently constituted. A difficult project because there's no building code that can account for it. It has no columns. It has no beams, in a conventional sense. So we have to write the program. So we have to walk into a room with the ERA people and the city of Los Angeles building department. So there are 21 people in the room and 22 points of view. And to make a case that this is intelligible in a construction way and a structural way. And we've now done that. It's taken awhile. And the way it works, these pieces, which we call the ribbons, which occur differently at each level. So where those pieces occur, they're connected with elements that are now called cords. From ribbon to ribbon, the cords run. Sometimes they run into the core. Open plan, no internal structure. And then these girders run, supported by the cords. Here, the ribbons curve not only in one plane, but in two planes. So there are very substantial questions about how to build this, how to put it up. In the conventional way, when you put the columns, you put the beams, you put the columns, you put the beams. You go home. In this case, it may be that we put what is the structure of the floor, scaffold the floor, and come with the ribbons later. It's a complicated discussion. There is a special steel that's coming from Germany. The fabricators are in Oklahoma City. So we got almost everybody involved in this thing. It looks like it will work. Anyway, this is base isolation. So this happens from time to time. I think Raphael's project in LA did that. And they were going to separate the base, the building above from the building below structurally. And it apparently saved us a fair amount of money in order to do that. I don't want to say it's counterintuitive. Everybody says it's counterintuitive. I'm not sure exactly what that means. But if the idea is to support the building, meaning you support it here. And it goes all the way down to something which will prevent it from moving, this is the opposite of what's going on. In other words, it moves in the plane of the base, which is called the isolation plane, which is drawn here. There's a lot of this stuff going on. So you have to understand this is better than this by our lights. There's something called finite element analysis, which we're now through with. It was fascinating actually. And you see this in so many professions. If you talk to a doctor that belongs to our generation, let's say, and you look at the next generation or you people's generation, and the use of scans and technical equipment, and how one extrapolates between what that information tells you and what you know as an instinct or as an understanding, how to diagnose this thing. And what we've found is that to some extent that the engineers seem to be subject to the machines. In other words, you know the old line about who's flying the plane? This is a drone flying in a way. And the discussion is difficult because the understanding seems not to precede the content. But seems to follow the technical analysis that comes out of this, which admittedly is quite a complicated piece of conception. I also have to say the engineering belongs to us in a conceptual way. We do it. We follow it. We monitor it. We drew it originally. Which is important to understand and, in my view, important for you to do. So that this is not something you know, I sketched it on a plane. And I photographed it. And I e-mailed it to the guy who is sitting in Prague. And then I went to the next lecture. And we try as best we can to sit on these things, and monitor these things, and be a part of the decision-making project. So I think in many ways the structure belongs to us. And I think some of the problems attendant on that are also. This is the isolation plane. So W&W, these fabricators in Oklahoma City, are developing ways and modeling how this might be constructed, which is not established yet. In other words, what's the chronology? How do we actually fabricate and build this project? It actually starts about 40 feet in the air. And there is a train now, in case you haven't been there in awhile. It's called the Expo Line. I mean it's not like Shanghai, Beijing. It's not going 300 kilometers an hour, more like three. I mean it's a 19th train. It's like that train that goes from Tulane down to the waterfront. And if you've got nothing to do, you get on that train. And it's kind of New Orleansish. So LA emulating all of it, New Orleans. But anyway, there's this damn train that runs along here. So we remade the whole intersection. You come through the intersection and actually enter the building underneath. And again, the building starts up in the air. This is something we did with Peter Sellers and Esa-Pekka Salonen a number of years ago, for a music program in LA, the LA Philharmonic, called the Green Umbrella Series, which is this funny experimental music. I guess unless you're talking about Kanye, and Jay-Z. You're talking about Mahler, and John Cage, and Bartok. You're talking to people who are a hundred years old, which is experimental music. I don't know whether that's true. But nobody shows up for those concerts in LA. Boston, being much more sophisticated, probably has a different response. So the only way they can get you to show up is to throw in a little Beethoven or Mozart. What they decided to do was to make this project as a small theater. And they asked us to do it. So these are some of the-- this is a kind of fascinating piece. And this is a lesson worth learning. When we talk about these projects, when we analyze them and try to understand what they might mean or suggest, when certain things take place, when they're done in the chronology of thinking or technical development probably matters. This sounds like a pat on the back to me, which it probably is and shouldn't be. When we bent this stuff, everybody said you can't bend the glass. You can't draw it. You can't fabricate it. You can't install it. It will break. It will leak. And they'll sue you. That's what they said. And every one of those things happened. Every one happened. But the lawyers are gone. The owner is smiling. And guess what? It's up. So did I say patience? Durability is probably another component. If you did it now, if you did it today, if you did it today, it's a different proposition to make it in Shenzhen, to make it in Barcelona. Cristacurva makes it in Mexico City. So again, the meaning and the attendant risk is quite different. That's the entrance to the project in this area. This was actually a polluted site, which we cleaned up. And it became an outdoor area in a park. This is a project. It came to be known as the Stealth. I'm not a fan of America's military. Somebody else named it and the name stuck. So I simply repeat it. That sounds ridiculous. And this is the garden. It's a stage. And this is a big production meeting conference area. You can see here that piece, where the pipe is crushed in order to meet the other column. This probably belongs to your Greek favorite, Heraclitus. You can't step into the same river, or you can. You can't step into the same river, is it once? Or you can never step into the same river at all? But whatever it is, the section of the project changes immediately or instantly over its length. So it's always a different section. This is a redo of the Smithsonian project, which we showed to the lady and the guy who are the Culver City clients. And they said, OK, if the Smithsonian won't do it, we'll make the effort. Parking, program, program, Sun diagram. And this is a project that's just under construction, a level below grade. It's a retail project. This is a bridge at the street level, retail and restaurants. And then because it's LA, it's also parking. The dimensions are quite different here, rather than the dimensions in the Smithsonian. The operational principle is similar. This is 24 inches in diameter. And the pieces run somewhere between 4 and 8 feet in length. So the scale is quite different. And you can see the cable and the hardware. Which is now worked out and completely understood, notwithstanding admonitions from the Smithsonian. You can read the diagrams. You see the collar at the top, the tube, the steel plate. And then this piece here, which holds the cable. And they're making it now. Whoops. That happens once in awhile. Don't be discouraged. And the tower discussion, [? Brian ?] [? Kusi, ?] Al [? Burst, ?] [? Tat ?] Lean, Max Bill, Lou Kahn. This I just went to see recently when we were presenting the Russian. This is Shukhov, this diagrid. But they've remodeled it. And they made a mess out of it. I mean this is a project you should know. It's a spectacular project. It goes back to the '30s. It was about to fall down, that they stuck in, instead of understanding. Technically, what it is, they stuck in a lot of steel. And I think really destroyed the project. What's great about this for me is that it has no program really in a conventional sense. I guess you could say, in a more conventional lexicon, it has to do with media. Because it probably wouldn't exist-- it's right next to the train, the New Orleans train that runs through here. So there are a series of exhibition areas going up. There's an elevator in here. There's, again, the excavation, a garden, and a podium for lectures. And the train runs here. It needs an editor actually. It was designed. And when we got it approved, it can't do the sort Ginsu Times Square stuff. So you can't sell Nike, and Under Armour, and things like that. So it has to be something which belongs to the arts, and to culture, and so on. And under that admonition, the approval was given. I think this is the second to last project. This is a project which is under construction now. It's really two projects. It's two towers. Two small towers, the same in plan, the same in height. And the truth of the two is not one or the other, as I would define that truth. Again, to go back to the beginning, whether we share that definition. Maybe we do. Whether we share the language when we talk about truth, maybe we do. So this is a tension between possibilities. And in this case, this was an original study, which was then broken down into horizontal components and vertical components, and then further horizontal components. As the curve steepens, the frequency of horizontality increases. And then there's the structure, which follows. We'll get to that in a minute. But the structure then belongs to the shaping of the outside. So it follows that, by analogy, as a series of straight pieces. So this is the first tower, which is an existing condition. It held an industrial press, went back to the 1940s. So we stripped that. There's a curtain here, which hasn't been installed yet. This is obviously a drawing. And then built this garden in the sky and used the system, the Smithsonian system of cables, so that these containers, the stainless steel containers, are struts in a truss that hold this up and then support the sky garden. And then the second tower, which is this one. And as I describe the horizontals, and the verticals, and then the increased frequency of the horizontals as the curve steepens. And then we start to make the legs, which again are derivative and belong to the a priori form of the curve. And you can see the relationship here between this and this. It's interesting what this became. You know the French Laundry, Per Se, Red Medicine guy. So this is about food. So I didn't know much about ballet until my daughter started to dance. I didn't know much about food, except In-N-Out Burger. Sorry. You don't have that here. And then we ran into this character from the French Laundry. So now they're making a five-star restaurant here. It's probably a little too expensive for all of us. But the discussion of food and the role of food, the construction of food, the imagining of food. I think it's all vegetarian. I think I have a deal that I can go in there and eat free all the time, which doesn't help me very much. But it will become-- so this is a restaurant. This is a garden here. The other tower is over here. This is a garden. So you get a drink over here. You sit in the garden. This is a little building called the Wedge. And this is something called the Ditch. So this is the restaurant, the garden, the Wedge, and the Ditch. So you enter on this level, the seating. There are only 22 seats in the restaurant. This is the kitchen. There's a deck up above. You can see the banquettes. This is one of these projects, since we're in the home of the infamous Walter Gropius, where we actually are making everything, every chair, every table, every banquette. So it's an unusual context, where at some point somebody says typically, well, the building can take it. When Gensler comes in to do the interiors. Sorry if those guys are here. So we're making everything in this particular project. So the banquettes. So this is a mock-up. You won't see this piece. This is all cushioned. This thing slides. And then this is the Ditch, and the bar, and the Wedge, and all of that. And this is the garden. That's a steel egg crate, that reddish color. The concrete is precast. And there's one more piece. In a restaurant of this "magnitude"-- that's in quotes-- when you're done eating, I think there are two dinner services. I think one is at 5:30. One is at 8:30. And as the maitre d' escorts you down, he escorts you by this. And they give you a gift. And the gift is not a chocolate chip cookie, which would be fine with me. But they didn't ask me. It's a scent. And if you listen to this guy, this guy can go on like Arnold Toynbee or something, about food, and service, and all of that. So these, which we made, are these vases that contain the scent. And you're given a scent as a memento when you leave the restaurant. So this is the holder dinner of the scent. And then the last project is one that I think I mentioned at the beginning. We built a garage for about 800 cars here, a very simple structure. Ramps down, ramps up, attached to the face of the building. And then ran up two floors of steel in anticipation of an office building, which wasn't built for 10 years because it apparently couldn't justify it economically, whatever that may mean. Nakazawa will explain that to us. So there it sat for about 10 years. This is the original project, an open-- it's actually quite simple organizationally. So the ground level, which is the top level of parking, open. And then a series of privatized elements, from private offices, to conference rooms, to eating facilities, and so on, and so on. Those blocks on the top. So that was the original study. The steel coming vertically. The truss running this way. Steel frames perpendicular to that. The glazing, which essentially faces north, which is this way. Rhine zinc, the metal envelope. The plan, actually you come out of the garage. You're in the garage, down below. You come out of the garage, receptionist, hall, up the stair, up the elevator, bridge. On the second floor, open work area, conference room. It actually works organizationally I think in a very efficient way. And I think it raises a very interesting question about form, and shape, and space, and utility. Because if you actually go into this damn thing, whatever your sense of it is when you look at the building, and the meaning of the form, and the shape, it's incredibly efficient and operationally super-intelligible. It works. And this is, again, this is a New Workplace stuff, where people who were engaged seem to be able and, in fact, welcome this kind of venue. So this is the garage and the ramps. And I'll just go through a few. The only thing we did to the garage, you can see here, was the finish. The finish is the fireproofing, which only occurs on the big steel. This is the east elevation. So this is the Cheerios and beer section. I don't know what the hell to say about this. Whether to be embarrassed by it. I thought it might interest you. [VIDEO PLAYBACK] -That's this bad-assed new building you're all admiring. ERIC OWEN MOSS: And that's the reason I show it. It was made by the company who operates in the building. So you get a sense of how they look at it, how they understand it, what they do. They're a media company. So they do YouTube, and they do billboards, and everything in between. But I thought you might find it. -Nourishing sunlight, abundant space, and peace and quiet. We also have many chairs. And one chair man, Don. -I'm Don. -We've got some rooms that really mean business. -Grand challenges. -Creative solutions. -Commerce. -And some where fun is mandatory. [MUSIC PLAYING] ERIC OWEN MOSS: You see. I didn't make it up. -We're up to our beards in cutting-edge topology. ERIC OWEN MOSS: This is not an anomaly. Maybe it should be. But like I said, I thought it would be of some interest to you. -We're up to our beards in cutting-edge technology. Also we have ghosts. No, we don't. [LAUGHTER] But, most importantly, here we can really be ourselves. To the Pterodactyl. -Cheers. -OK. That was weird. [END PLAYBACK] You want to work there? I think Mack already dealt with this, which is-- I don't want to say it's out of date. Construction Manual is, of course, a facetious term, in case anybody missed that. Interesting. This is actually done in China. This IS cut a bible school in Nanjing. That's how it was done. And then I recommend-- this is one we just did with Rizzoli, which is just out. Thank you very much. [APPLAUSE]
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