Episode 102: Why Beauty?

[Music] welcome to godsplaining contemplative preachers contemporary age each week join the dominican friars as they consider all things catholic hello and welcome to godsplaining i'm father gregory pine and i'm joined here by father bonaventure chapman um we did something strange actually at the beginning of this episode this actually isn't the strict speaking beginning of this episode because i tried to i tried to start the episode and i just failed miserably i was trying to speak and then i and i wasn't speaking i was saying other things that don't qualify as speech and that's kind of amazing you're probably thinking because you've heard many godsplaining introductions which barely qualify as speech so that should give you some indication as to how very awful was the lead-in to this episode so that should portend well for all that follows um so that's just a way of saying buckle up get ready things are about to get wild father bonaventure how are you doing i thought you had a stroke i'm kind of froze i don't know what happened and so i was worried and uh we're a certain distance away from each other i don't know if i could make in time and also do the episode but i'm glad to see that you did not have a stroke and that you were fine and the episode rolls on and uh so considering that i'm doing great like things are fantastic no one is stroked out at least on this part of the camera yeah usually like you get through the first 45 seconds of an episode and you're like man i've made you know five mistakes or things that could qualify as mistakes that's like one mistake per nine seconds but you know send it on down the line but the mistake density of the first minute of our first attempt at this episode was was so dense or at least it felt that way to me but i just couldn't abide it and i figured you know we're gonna lose a minute of footage but it's better sometimes to lose um yeah it's just better that's then we are yeah or maybe we just set the bar really high for this episode so apologies for everyone in advance um yeah i think it'll i think it'll be good it's a topic that we're both excited about talking about sea turtles so uh it'll be good or see mom we could bring it around to sea monsters um charming story charming backstory during the novitiate um we each had jobs duties responsibilities um one of our first responsibilities was that you were the head librarian of the novitiate library i was the assistant librarian of the novitiate library and we spent an incredible amount of time throwing away books well i guess that was the second semester whatever moving on um i think i was i was the photographer at some point but you were the chronicler which meant that you were supposed to detail life in the novitiate to kind of give a play-by-play account of what had taken place but one of the favorite homily topics of the preachers at saint gertrud's priory during that time of our lives was was it sea monsters sea monsters because dear listeners um and watchers as exciting as the wish it sounds or you think it might sound uh imagine writing every day the same like what what so i promised myself i wouldn't write what we ate but that is probably the most exciting and changing thing that happens in a vision so the second thing is homilies so i tried to remember what the homily was because i do this at night before going to bed right for compliment and of course you know at some point you probably have the same experience this like you don't really remember homies that well so when i didn't remember homily correctly uh or i could remember it i would just say father whoever preached on sea monsters so if there is a saint in our class which is possible i suppose with father gregory or father jacob is probably pretty likely on that um they will go back and they will wonder what was the source of sanctity of this man and they'll look at the division and they'll say a high density of sea monster homilies wow oh man so gear up listeners because we're going to treat a species of the genus of sea monsters which species is sea turtles that's not true we're actually going to talk about beauty so we're going to get at both of these themes but by misdirection so beauty is a hot topic you know a thing or two about hans urs von balthazar and he made the argument that you should lead with beauty is it right is it wrong what do you think about that well i was yeah i was going to say that if our listeners are probably we're all familiar with um dostoyevsky's you know beauty beauty will save the world or something along those lines um and has hanzos and baltzar who would popularize now in america by uh bishop robert baron who says follows basically baltzer's line balthazar wrote a giant trilogy on the transcendentals which people are familiar with of the true the good and the beautiful um and and those are patterned on khan's three critiques actually emmanuel kant's three critiques his first critique is on the true reason psych critiques on the good which is on the pure practical reason and the third critique of judgment which is on beauty and design but balthazar thought that instead of going in the that order he flipped it so he said let's start with the with the beautiful and he has seven volumes the theo aesthetic and then the glory of the lord the herald height uh and then five volumes on the theo dramatic the good and then three volumes on the theologic so the true so it was like an ascending with kant those three and then a descending the reversal to get back in a sense to that um and i have to say that balthazar put a big role in my conversion to catholicism and there's something there's something beautiful about the beautifulness of catholicism there's something attractive about it at the same time there is a a session that william lane craig and bishop baron did together where they talked a little about evangelization and wayne lane craig asked him he's a famous uh uh protestant apologist you could say or philosopher and asked him he said i'm intrigued by the beauty first argument um but could you put some shoe leather on that like how do i do it and and that's kind of at the end of the day it's hard you it's like asking it to be in the truth so at the same time i think the beauty is beauty is an incredible incredible evangelistic tool uh and beauty is it's this it's profound and has a transcendental status which we can talk about later in a way um at the same time it's also elusive it's also hard to really pin down and if you want to like converting the world today i mean is presenting them with beautiful things is that really going to work well i think it works for some people but i think in general balthazar is on to something that there's a way of getting people to think about christianity and think about the truth not directly face on or through moralism but through a beautiful a witness that is attractive and draws one's eye and therefore heart and then therefore mind that's what i think he's up to yeah and and certainly like you said bishop robert baron has popularized this for the 21st century catholic audience specifically those folks who are looking to receive formation through an internet apostolate of some sort and i think that among those who are kind of doing things on the internet this is this is a popular mode there are some people who i think are are kind of more like truth-centric they're like just give me the doctrine just give me the goods and i'll kind of be on my way to make a synthesis of it and then there's some people who are more kind of like goodness they want to tell stories um and they want those stories to kind of draw you into a life and they want that life to be coherent they want that life to be humanized and then there are you know there are a lot who are of the mind that you need to lead with beauty and so um you'll see this in kind of artistic initiatives so i just met a local artist here who's down the road a gentleman named andrew dessa who's done a handful of art like kind of on commission for local churches local a variety of media and a variety of settings but he was describing a project where he's been commissioned to paint a fresco in an apps of a church which is actually like a house chapel for a pregnancy at crisis pregnancy center um and he was describing to father patrick and me how he like wants to kind of inspire a culture of patronage you know to have like catholic benefactors who want to give beauty basically to those settings which are most beauty starved and here he's thinking about you know women with unplanned pregnancies who want to choose life but find it exceedingly difficult to do so what is a way in which to minister to them and this he sees is like a kind of essential feature of his apostolate it's to make beautiful those spaces which are often not as a way by which to draw people basically into the life of the church so i think it's really it's it's beautiful it's it's captivating it's um it's a luring as a kind of method but but what we're doing here is the kind of truth of beauty as it were so we're just trying to shine a light as it as it were on the intelligibility that's at the heart of beauty so maybe we can just start there just talk a little bit about what beauty is situated with the transcendental so why don't you just take us in how would you how would you describe beauty maybe phenomenologically or as emmanuel kant would do or you know those most sacred sources of truth yeah i mean well obviously beauty's abused been around for a while and discussed uh especially in the platonic tradition uh but it's i mean it is a fascinating topic because it's one of those that it's hard to say exactly what's going on and has related between the objectivity and subjectivity so kant calls this the antimony of of taste of beauty that it's both subjective and objective and you can read the western tradition as kind of going back and forth between is beauty just the eye the beholder everyone says that right everyone hears that but that can't be true nuclear bombs you know massive carnage i mean right no one thinks that's beautiful really so but is it objective is it just pure objective well that seems it seems strange to say that beauty is some kind of property of a thing there's no relation to us so it's how to balance that out and the tradition has kind of gone back and forth between the objective and the subjective and you have a plate platonic tradition of course with this in the symposium and moving up to the ladder of beauty and other things so there's enough for a while there's an objectivity as the key and just mainly focuses on proportion these kind of things and then in the about 17th century 18th century german german tradition of the english tradition with hutchinson and shaftesbury and edmund burke um you get a more subjective not in the sense of like either beholder anyone's taste de gostibus you know what have you but in the sense that beauty is an inter-reaction it's an interaction between a subject and object of a self and other and i tend to think that's that's a beauty has to be something objective but something subjective it has to be some kind of relation of these two i think traditionally of course that we talk about we talked earlier about the transcendentals which are you could say properties being that everything that is shares so everything that is is true in some fashion that's related to the intellect everything that is is good in some fashion it can be desirable under some aspect and everything is is beautiful but it's hard to say that again as we said it has to ride on something you know so it rides generally on the good but i think that's the intersectivity so i think beauty right off the bat is a weird middle ground yeah so i want to pick up on this idea of how beauty is related to truth and goodness because i think that's a really helpful way of getting at the intelligible core so truth you said is relation to an intellect so when we're talking about a relationship of truth we're saying that my mind adequately reflects what is out there in reality so in a certain sense it's like it goes from reality to the mind right that's the kind of general trajectory the general movement of truth with respect to good st thomas observes we call those things good which you know people desire right so there's a kind of movement from the subject from the person towards reality in this case you go out towards that thing which you cognize which you recognize and you're seeking in it some form of perfection some form of completion some form of whatever something basically something that fits with your nature and i think that you see both dimensions in beauty so saint thomas is the definition that he gives for beauty i mean it's not so much a definition as it is a kind of observation he says we call those things beautiful which when seen please so it's kind of like a you know you describe an experience there are certain things that when seen they please and those things are the things that we call beautiful and what he does is he identifies three properties as it were of a beautiful thing so he says a word that you mentioned you know proportion uh and then integrity and then splendor so proportion it's you can think about it as a kind of symmetry a kind of balance things are as they ought to be so you can see there um yeah a kind of figure a kind of form a kind of shape which is pleasing so you think about like a very beautiful tree during autumn like like right in the middle of the turn and you've got shades of orange and red tending to brown but it's in just such a way that it looks as if it were done by a brush stroke right so there's a kind of there's a kind of balance to it and then he says integrity everything that's proper to that thing is there it's present right so it lacks nothing of what it ought to have so you go back to your tree you can think about how beautiful a kind of full leafy tree is by comparison to a tree that's been recently struck by lightning and a big limb has fallen off it just looks scarred it looks disintegrated looks you know broken and then the third and final thing is what he calls splendor right or clarity and this is this idea that the form of the thing actually has a kind of radiance and the way that i would describe it is it's like the thing is from an intelligence and foreign intelligence it's as if the thing is addressed to you so often times in here you can you know kind of bring it back to burke whom you mentioned this experience of the sublime it's not so much like dread or terror or or awe in a kind of animalistic sense but it's like a rational recognition of something that is beyond or something that beckons from beyond so i think a lot of people have had the experience of looking at a very beautiful site whether it's the grand canyon or the hudson river valley and just being kind of astonished by it but if you take it down to its material components it's like you know you got rock you got water you got this that and the other thing it's like whatever you got all those things in your backyard but it's the arrangement of them you know okay sure plate tectonics and whatever there's some stone that is more easily etched by water than is you know blah blah okay we can we can reduce it but still there's something about it that seems like it's for you and that's not to like make an intelligence design type of argument it's just simply to say like this thing is given and you are made to receive it and i think that people experience that powerfully and sometimes we lack the language we're about to describe it so maybe that's just using st thomas's criteria trying to relate the true and the good and then bring it home to these three properties of beauty i don't know does that does that hold up do you feel like that's overly neat how much time we have um so i [Laughter] i'll say i think it's better i think it's better just to go for it just say honestly i mean if it's no i think well i mean i i so this that so that that's a traditional the objective kind of criterion such like these properties of things right the integrity and the proportion and the the clarity or splendor um and i think insurance i mean in a sense aesthetics as a discipline takes off really in the 1800s um and one of the things they kind of fight back on or at least if you read the ivory shasta and read book and read kant and you read schiller and you read hegel on this for instance um what they're pushing back a little bit on is that i can find a lot of beautiful things that don't have those properties sure so it can't beauty can't be those props so i can have a tragic beauty uh dark colors things that are imperfect uh lack of proportion and then giving examples of things where it's like i can actually have the right proportions but it's not beautiful i can have the right portion of the right splendor and a unity it's not beautiful so the objective so the objective criteria have to have they may be touch points um but i think their critique of it and i'm not again given entirely to it but i think there's something to that it's that it can't be an entirely objective criteria it's not instant the instantiation of these particular properties because we can give beautiful things extremely beautiful things that don't meet the criteria at all and the definition or the properties of something has to have those things otherwise the properties aren't actual actual properties of what you're describing so but but they are there is something about them i think they're good touch points and i think they're they're right but thomas has actually um do we need a break now or do i can i go to thomas's part where he's right on this i think so it is interesting he says he says beauty is about riding on pleasure we talked about how in the 20th century this idea of transcendentals like make beauty its own beauty is as good as the true and the good you know give it a place at the table we love beauty this sort of thing and i think thomas have generally resisted that um because it seems to follow upon pleasure and the good and thomas the definition and you might say but you might say well why do we need beauty at all the good is about pleasure but if you listen to his definitions it's interesting it's it's what is pleasurable when seen and that's not just like oh colors the splendor issue but actually it's the distance i think beauty and this is where actually kant and the the subjective tradition you could say picks up and says the pleasure in beauty is not like the pleasure and the good and not just because it's like through a sight organ but or through a taste organ the difference is there per se but because the pleasure of beauty is a disinterested pleasure it's a pleasure from a distance from a separation the pleasure of the good is the is the desire to become that to become one with it whereas the pleasure of beauty things that are beautiful cause pleasure and remain at a distance things that are true and cause pleasure are things taken into us things that are good and cause pleasure are things that we turn into in a sense we move out to them in this way but the beauty and i think thomas's his definition is good on that is it has that it's a pleasure at a distance and that does describe a particular interrelationship i think between beauty and pleasure that gives it a disinterested quality non-disinterested sense of who cares but the sense that it's beautiful for its own sake it just doesn't it doesn't have to be useful doesn't have to be true it could be fictional it has this kind of quality to it that the distance presents so that's i think that's right okay you you made an interesting opening salvo you're like do we need to go to a break or can i go for this and the answer is always we never need to go to a break because breaks are made up but in the spirit of making up breaks at randomly appointed times we're going to go to a break so we'll catch you on the other side of it you are listening to godsplaining visit us at godsplaining.org to listen to our episodes shop our store and donate to our podcast all gifts go to improving the podcast and bringing the gospel to more listeners thanks for your support all right folks thanks for sticking with us here episode of god's planning we're talking about beauty and so far we've just kind of done the spade work of defining beauty a little bit or situating beauty a little bit talking about the subjective pole the objective pull of beauty and trying to find a way by which to describe our experience so as to make sense of our experience i think here maybe we can just kind of drill down on the experience itself drill down into the experience itself and maybe think a little bit about how one you know incorporates beauty into his or her life or what place beauty could or might occupy in one's life uh in a way that's humanizing in a way that's actually conducive to growth in the life of faith so all right father bonovich you're a man who reads poetry you're a man who reads fiction you're a man who likes the visual arts you care about film um i remember you describing at one point we were giving a tour to the new novices who were coming into st gertrude and i think you said something to the effect of like i force myself to read literature most nights which you know betray the lack of evident delight in reading literature but a kind of commitment to it as a thing so commitment to beauty is it is it something that we ought to will is this uh is this part of human flourishing yes um you should go to galleries you should have art in your house or your room or whatever it is it could be i mean this there is a you know not thomas kincaid um so but we're going to discuss what real art is later we have a real artist on for guest playing at some point in the near future um but i think yes you need you need to have there are we need to be cultivated i think and i mean we think all we graduate from we we get confirmed so then church is done and then we graduate from like high school or college then like education is done but anyone who knows and wants to live as a human being and not just like an animal knows that like that's just the beginning you'd be given the tools but confirmation to actually worship correctly and become a catholic fully and it college education whatever then that just gives you the point of now being able to educate yourself for life and in the same way we need to educate ourselves in knowledge and goodness and we don't ever stop learning about how to be better people virtual more virtuous people and all that i think we need to be people who are also affected by the but the beautiful and drawn out because beauty has a natural contemplative aspect to it and things like that are hard can't anyone who's tried to do contemplative prayers tragedy prayer knows that it's difficult it's an act of the will in many cases to get there and it's the same way i think with beauty is that you it's has to be an act of the will that then you learn to love and appreciate but it is something that is not entirely obvious right away because anyone who's been to an art gallery with small children noticed that they just don't see anything there you know it takes time i i for instance or i'll make a confession here landscapes do nothing for me but that doesn't mean landscapes are bad it actually means that i'm bad right because when you go to see this is very important when you go to an art gallery or so you see good art um it's doing the judging like it judges you it's like when you read a great book you know a fantastic piece of literature you are on judgment it's dangerous practice to read good literature and read good things because you might not measure up to them and the same thing with good art is like you are on trial and if you realize i just don't get this here then don't tell anyone because it's broadcasting your inadequacies so it's a project you have to you have you have to involve yourself in and i yeah landscape paints and poetry actually i have art really time with poetry my i'm just not that cultivated yet but i'm working on that so one of the things that i like about um you know beautiful the arts of the beautiful is that they are very human what do i mean by that i mean that they're rational right but they're embodied as well so they're they eventually kind of embodied rationality and same time you know so we said that saint thomas described those things as beautiful which when seen please and he says that we we register them in two particular sense powers right so sight and hearing and he says that those particular sense powers are most intellectual um so there's the sense that the beauty kind of happens at the meeting of sense and intellect right because so sight and hearing they're they're kind of in they have a kind of intuitive character to them they they we talk about seeing a thing with your eye and seeing a thing with your intellect as it were a kind of beholding a kind of vision and so beauty appeals to us in this in this really concrete way as as embodied creatures and i think that you know i was talking to a friend the other day who was going through a difficult breakup and this friend was asking for advice as how to you know how to kind of get back to living and how to like taste food again and i was like you got to get out of your head and into your body and i think that a lot of us are tempted to live kind of angelistically we kind of we tend to drift from our bodies i mean in my own particular case i've just been doing a lot of spade work on this chapter of my dissertation that i finished today let's go um but i was just reading christology and then just sitting in front of my computer for many hours a day and just kind of ch but as a result of which certain things that i would ordinarily do um yeah that's kind of went by the wayside so the only books that i read otherwise would be like audiobooks that i listened to on the car on i-95 um whereas ordinarily i would have you know i'd have dedicated some time to that i think so there's there's a temptation especially like when you're when you're digging a hole you know when you're doing a lot of spade work to just treat yourself like a thought machine um but you're not you know you're an embodied you're an embodied thinker right you're a human being and beauty has a way of kind of drawing you into your humanity um a way of appealing to you and your humanity well in a sense and i mean uh so a certain german philosopher in the 18th century um talked about in this way in this the mid between point where you're talking about here is that aesthetics is the sensibilities it's the sensualities and beauty is found after the senses of the initial kind of sense of data you could say taken in because that's what animals do that too animals receive things from the outside and they respond to them right and then angels and super rational creatures like god you know we have just concepts this sort of thing but beauty is for this philosopher this middle point where it's buff it's after the sense things since dad has come in but before it has been conceptualized beauty is the play he calls the free play of the imagination and the understanding so instead of with when rationalization is conceptualizing sense material you know we've talked about phantasms in the domestic tradition but in a sense beauty is the is the the in between stage where you haven't yet grasped the concept in a definite way that you could then share with each other but you are playing it's not just sense data the imagination and the understanding are playing you're preparing it's moving towards a concept but it has this play about it so it is both in a sense it's amphibious it's both in the senses it's embodied it has it's still stuck the imagination is that kind of physical the phantasm we talk about fantasy um has the senses to it but yet the understanding is already working with it they're harmonizing back and forth they're trying to figure each other out it's like a meeting between two people it's like a first date basically before concept the sense data comes in and animals don't do that they don't have the under they don't have you know their stance or renewed so they don't they're not going to get to concepts what we do so it's kind of like us bringing the senses into humanity and so it's a beautiful the beauty is a place is distinctly human angels don't have the sense faculties in that way but it's so beauty is something that we as humans distinctly have it's a rationalization in a way of the aesthetic sphere and that's so as you say when you talk about being a human and embodied experience and you go and see different things music-wise or painting-wise or something it's really getting in touch with the very best parts of your humanity and i think that's a profound profound insight and experience that phenomenologically we experience we we as humans know beauty and it feels extremely natural and yet not rational in the same way it's not irrational but it's not rational something it's something between but it's very human all right as we kind of wrap the episode up as we think about takeaways um we force ourselves to be practical on account of the fact that it doesn't come naturally um and we're you know typically accustomed to traffic and wildly impractical things that sound nice but for somebody who's listening to this and maybe has gotten used to a work a day world and they've gotten used to their kind of mundane habits which aren't especially beautiful and are kind of draining and they just feel the accumulated fatigue just building up you know behind their tired faces and in their weary limbs and they feel like yeah i mean that might be beautiful for somebody else but yeah somebody's just gotta someone's gotta dig the hole someone's gotta do the spade work and there's just a lot of spade work ahead of me what would you say to that type of person who maybe has despaired a bit of experiencing or encountering beauty in his or her life desktop backgrounds [Laughter] i mean you know before the before the 20th century or the 21st century you had to go to places to find beauty or something now you you might you may be nature person so if you like going nature things you know take time to do that and or just look out pay attention sort of thing but i think of the human beauty in terms of art and in in in these these terms um colors and humans are great we not only does beauty affect us but we actually create beauty in this way nature creates beauty it's fine but uh humanistic human beauty is is really spectacular as well and that's just a matter of of surrounding yourself with that and i mean i'd say it does sound cliche but like your desktop and your iphone you know unless you got a black and white setting uh your iphone background or something like have a picture there a beautiful a painting something you like look it only takes a second to type in great art google great art and you'll just see a bunch of stuff and just see who you like i mean if you want to send you know there might be we could have a recommended art list or something but there's plenty whatever strikes you as beautiful and draws you to contemplate the moment that disinterested pleasure like wow that's really fascinating and it could be anything it could be anything but like but so you can put that in your in your life so those little steps nothing like super you know get a pass to the met or go to your local art gallery although if you live in any anywhere there are some great art galleries and a lot of them are free so if you have a local american art gallery uh check it out the summer at some point now that covet's over and you might have some time and it's really hot you might be on fire to get back to an early discussion that we started inclusio which may not have been a part of this episode um uh go inside it's probably air-conditioned and there's some really cool stuff in there and you will not believe me you'll you will not be disappointed so just give it a try and i think your humanity will be helped by it and you you'll know that um maybe my one complimentary takeaway point would be that the most beautiful thing in creation in in material creation is the human form right and i think that um oftentimes we think about beauty as something apart from our ordinary lives but i think that beauty is present in our ordinary lives and it just it's a matter of addressing it it's a matter of attending to it it's a matter of uncovering it um and here you know like i think of some examples of literature which are very ugly um like the grapes of wrath strikes me as a very ugly thing but i mean on the road from oklahoma to california you pass a lot of beautiful things and you also see even though i think that book is basically a secular humanist manifesto you see a lot of beautiful exchanges mind you there's tons of tragedy and you also see wickedness to a kind of bewildering extent but you also see human beings engaged in kind of beautiful exchanges now aesthetic beauty and moral beauty those are different categories but just simply to say that like beauty is something that's created and the response to a created thing is a kind of contemplation and what contemplation is is i mean it's a kind of beholding right so it's um yeah what do you say it's just it's to see the world transfigured to see the world addressed to you to see the world as it were as a gift and i think that um these are just the kind of fundamental habits of mind and heart which also inform prayer which inform worship which inform play which inform leisure of all kinds of sorts so i think that um that that kind of basic recognition that it's it's all been given and it's a matter of my receiving it is helpful to acknowledge the beauty that's already present rather than looking elsewhere for a beauty which might be fugitive or evasive so and i think and i think it's helpful i just think for contemplation in that the act of contemplation is one where you stand back and you behold the creator and his goodness to you and the redeemer and truth we try to assimilate and take control of and you don't do that with god and goodness we try to like work ourselves up to but you don't do that with god but beauty is something that you just it appears it presents itself you didn't it's just there and so it's a as you say a gift so it's in like a natural preparation for the supernatural contemplation that you're going for boom there you go all right folks well thanks so much uh for listening uh we appreciate your efforts at liking sharing uh and saying to it that the podcast is listened to by others who stand to benefit from it um a special word of 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Published: Thu Jul 15 2021