Ep. 247 | Get to Know Your Hosts – Listener Questions

but anyway we learned a lot about each other in all that time we've become very close we got to work with each other i literally spend more time with you guys than i do my own wife this is true um but that's why we get into these little uh you know spats from time time doesn't mean anything [Music] here we've done all this work all this pre-planning we got the questions catherine compiled them printed them off i've highlighted them color coded them ryan set the podcast and then what do you do you do nothing up until this point and then you start shi on the project i'm cheating on it you doing all this pre-work is exactly what my problem is you've let them get to you okay so we thought i think by a listener's suggestion to do a get to know your hosts podcast so what we're always going to write some sort of auto we're going to write some sort of autobiography why don't we ask them what they want to know that that listener was me i suggested it because everybody thought we were always fighting and now we're fighting i think that you intentionally orchestrated all of this as some sort of puppet master all right mark you know i like to wing it i thought you once liked to wing do love to wing it but what do you want me to live in the land of the script this is not a script these are questions that people took time out of their day to write in it's not a script look how it's written looks like a script to me all right well then welcome everybody to act one scene one of the vortex nation podcast get to know your hosts i've got mark on the mic here jimmy to my right mr ryan muck and hearn across from me and we are going to answer your questions not what we would just want to talk about ourselves but actually what you took time out of your day sorry we are fighting i'm fighting you just with my tone yeah you're faster you're full on dad's voice right now you got me agitated this should be we should be rejoicing i'm starting that over no it's we it we can't start over now we're in the whole point we're in was to try and explain is now we've ruined detail there's all these people out there who listen to us maybe on a semi-regular basis and sometimes we get into our little quarrels or our spats they're not even real you know and then people go oh oh what's your guys problem things seem rocky there and then uh and then we giggle behind the scenes because because because they're not right and we think boy if only they knew what it was really like what you know behind the scenes so we thought we'd put this together and lo and behold what do we do for the last 15 minutes before kicking this off we've been engaged in a complete battle of nonsense and here we are and you're all mad i tell you what hey if you are not if you're in a relationship friendship in ours like that's that's a type of relationship if you're not fighting i don't think that's a healthy relationship but it's not even fighting it's healthy so we are fighting healthy debate sounds like we're healthy debate but it's not even a debate right now all we have to do is answer these awesome questions that people wrote in with fine now they're already annoyed with us i don't think so if they watch they watch the youtube video they're going to laugh i'm starting to sweat mark what are we going to do today i'm just going to start over we can't we've gone too far no we're in it well in the event that you started to know the hosts and this is a very in the event we do start over welcome everybody to what's up everybody welcome to the vortex nation podcast i have jim to my right mr ryan muck and hearn across from me this is a very special get to know your hosts podcast you're actually acting like we're starting over this is awesome i'm faking it and uh in honor of that something maybe we probably should have done you know in excess of 200 episodes letting people get to know us i mean i think they find out about us via you know all of our conversations things like that this is like more this is like a more formal version of that so we went on the interweb catherine was kind enough to uh solicit these questions from listeners things that people want to know i'm honored i mean how amazing for somebody to take time out of their day and ask a question i don't know like it's uh that's really cool so very nice question one this one comes from uh and if i'm if i mispronounce any names please forgive me i think a lot of them are just you know youtube screen names too so they might be yeah this is john pyro via facebook fiery name hi pyro piro i don't know so again uh definitely uh correct me uh if i got that wrong question for all three which vortex scope was your first and do you still have it who goes first jim i'll start with you oh you seem to have a lot of input today well um my first vortex scope thank you very much for asking was a razer gen 1 5 to 20. a little bit pinky up for a first scope wow yeah i know that's unc that's uncharacteristic that's not your style no you're right it's not usually i go for the cheapest thing that can possibly get the job done to try and annoy people who go for razors first you like to be contrary i do but in that case that was i got a ruger american 65 creedmoor at the very at the very kind of beginning of the ruger american uh world that we live in and uh it was in 6'5 creedmoor at that time 6'5 creedmoor was exotic right to me and i was going to go shoot a vortix extreme with it and i thought okay i need something nice i had never been long-range shooting before i'd never i wonder if it was the first time i'd been to utah and um i got that scope put it on top and i did indeed make a couple people quite perturbed by the fact that i was actually shooting quite well with uh with a pretty cheap gun and a really expensive scope at the time put on top well that doesn't make a person feel good when you know they've got about 10k wrapped up into their outfit and like you're shooting as good as they are right sort of deal i'll say this though you know at the time you know you're look actually even to this day is that the scope with the most travel that we've ever built 36 mils 125 moa yeah it was a lot i was just tall boy i'm trying to think uh if the razor what's that i don't know we have a couple of things that are really up on its heels but still nothing quite like that gargantuan yet i don't still have the scope you don't sadly no i don't really why um i actually [Music] i gave it to a friend yeah wow i got some pretty good use out of it to go into multiple vortex extremes with me it was used when i bought it and uh you know from our something we used to have some sort of like a youtube all right yeah yeah and uh it when i bought it it was all beat up i used it pretty well and then you know i beat it up a little bit more and then i just somebody else needed a scope and i was like use this one just kind of scoped it forward yeah is what it is ryan what about you uh john great to hear from you again uh my first vortex scope i won off a prize table at the pandemic match in nebraska and it was a viper pst two and a half to ten by 44 mrad wow okay so that's a unique scope because we discontinued that 44 millimeter viper pst gen one uh far earlier on than the rest of the gen 1 psts and then we kept around the 32 millimeter that 32 was kind of a shining star that was uh that was one of the next scopes that i got oh really yeah but that uh that pst what was the part number pst 210 dash hashem i think that's correct i still have it there would have been two other numbers right was it another st maybe one other number i can't remember yeah i still have it you do i do what's it on uh it is currently mounted in nothing it may be at my desk or in one of my safes yeah but i still have it good i used to hunt that scope quite a bit that'll do yeah that'll huh like i think the first thing i i killed with it was either a mule deer or a pronghorn one of the two that's something two of your favorite animals i was gonna say that i mean really if you you wouldn't even have to really put too much thought into that 50 50 split yep it was one of those things it was two things yeah that that scope started my love affair with vortex truly i like it yep that's cool my first vortex scope was a viper not a viper hs a viper the predecessor am i guessing right four to twelve because it was the one with the most magnification underneath the six and a half to twenty so there was one that went higher which i shot a few things with that six and a half to twenty as well that was good but yeah four to twelve uh optically did really i think it was a four to twelve by forty actually yeah and they had did they were they still called the pa at that point because they were parallax adjustable and that was like a notable feature that you had to call out because it was yeah i had side parallax on it yep and it was a long boy it's a long boy yeah so we actually get some requests for p because the mounting length on it i mean like you know how much time you got buddy like you could put that thing anywhere you wanted you could have mounted it to a train yeah between cars the tube very long um our friends our neighbors to the north seem to like they really like that long mounting lane sure yeah um you still have it i do i i what did i do i shot i think uh a couple mule deer with it shot i think couple whitetails with it and then the eight uh the viper hs came out and i dismounted it and i believe it's just sitting in my in my safe as well i'm not getting rid of it though because it's my first vortex scope you can't get in yeah all right something special now you guys are making me feel bad i got rid of mine might have to get it back someday just not via you know back hey remember that scope i gave you that time i did something real nice question for ryan i'm the moderator here no i have a question before we go to the next question i don't want to derail this there was a lot of stuff on that page yeah you just shuffled it under remember he said he was going to go back to i'm going to go back to those because i like those ones for the end tracking this is a uh oh boy um people have some pretty complex handles here jim what do you i want to give a shout out here talking about uh stoichiometry over here stoichiometry yeah he had this question for ryan into tuning what what 6'5 did ryan end up getting now that has been a couple years since the 6-5 revolution episode which was a pretty good episode well a lot of six five talking there was a lot of six five talk you know i've said something i think you didn't have a six five at the time for some reason you're like but i'll get one no that's not true he's got six fives coming out of his nose now then i my first my first 6'5 was 2007. i ended up with two and i ended up with a kimber 84 grade 2 in 260 and a remington model 7 ks in 260. neither of those guns are in my possession neither of them even made the hunt that i bought them for but um so on the 6'5 revolution podcast we were talking about out six ackley we were talking about creedmoor we were talking about some other cool things and i had been toying around with the 6506 ai because my hunting partners got one and it is a real firecracker and i thought man i really want one and at the time i think i had been aware of a hot new cartridge from my friends at weatherby the 6'5 rpm oh yeah and i was also hot to trot on that i didn't get either because as jim will point out and will tell you about my one of my biggest character flaws is my indecision on things it's paralyzing it's it can be at times a lot of times it's kind of soothing too because i get i get crazy about something i'm like i really want that i want that and then you know instead of spending the money on it like a boat in a bottle like a boat in a bottle um i didn't buy i didn't get anything i still i still do want to toy with both of those cartridges um but they're both kind of unique and kind of proprietary not proprietary because the 65 rpm is like a standard cartridge now but not a lot of data out there on it and so i'm slightly gun shy the thing about so i don't know if you guys know this but i i share that attribute ryan i mean how how how how many times do i talk about you know this this cartridge that cartridge oh custom 300 wsm then all of a sudden hunting rolls around and i shoot the same same old same old um but it does save you because you get these uh get enamored with these new cartridges oh this is the hot newness and i do need that and then if you just wait long enough it wears off and then you actually want something that's different and you're like well gosh i would have spent all this money on this thing now i want this new thing and you just don't get that either and then you just save money in the end but then i feel like i'm advocating for people to not get rifles that's a terrible idea i want you to know this though i don't think it's a flaw jim yelled at me when we were on the road the other day to the point that i actually went out and had a bike rail i did it was maddening you guys are wrong because i have to get a conversation the other day being like weeks ago but every conversation with ryan is like yeah well i would really love to advance my life in this form or fashion however i am in my own way that's generally speaking how the conversation goes in some some manner and so i i just about had it we were having a discussion about grills and ryan was like well i just don't there's gas grills and there's pellet grills and there's charcoal grills and and all this stuff and i'm like well what are you grilling on now and he's like nothing cause i can't choose i was grilling on my fire which is fine but you can also but but you can i don't know he literally so you were like you kind of kind of pushed him out of the nest on that one then by push swift kick so what'd you get a blackstone big flat top and have you been disappointed i have cooked more meals on that blackstone i the the grill was assembled on june the 7th i've cooked more on that grill in that time frame so we're the end of july now yeah time stamp it yeah so it's just but it's uh sounds like it's a big pan which is outdoor pan it is that but it is an exceptional cooking surface yeah but no uh no uh i guess that sounds like it's a pan that's like as big as this table it's not just something you can just it's one on your stove it's like 36 inches wide it's four burners and then i can't remember how deep it is it's got a lid on it the fire doesn't touch the meat though no no taste the meat not the heat i like the taste of fire um all right this is gonna go down in mark's quote book yeah i like the taste of fire mark gordon if you could take one i'm going to start with ryan this time that's fine if you could take one outdoor skill and have it incorporated into schools oh what would it be oh that's actually a good question that's a good that question kenny wolfe jr that is a strong name he sounds like he should drive a race car needs to be a character in a movie right now i'm picturing him right now and kenny wolfe jr he's got he's got some long gray hair good beard big barrel chest a guy probably carries an uh an axe or a hatchet i picture much younger than that could be i mean at one time i'm sure he was but um one outdoor skill to be incorporated into conventional school you know honestly orienteering okay and for a number of reasons i think orienteering is important because we've become so reliant on like google maps and other mapping softwares and and things like this that people can't find directions to places any other way like at all like you just immediately go to the digital format there's a lot of folks that don't know anything about topography there's not i mean if i handed you an orienteering compass and a map i would say like 98 of people would look at me like what does it do or what is this paper that you folded up i think orienteering and because it would just get people outside and on the orienteering course they would also discover things like birds and butterflies and bugs and berries and all the things that are great outside and so it's just gonna kind of wrap them all up and in the outdoors yeah jim uh come back to me i'm still thinking on it all right there's so many well i mean this is so me i've got two okay speaking of your indecision right well i'm it's uh i suffer from it uh i'm gonna go with um shooting and marksmanship yeah i think it's a very practical skill that everybody should have for a variety of reasons whether it's hunting or self-defense or potentially in defense of your country in some aspect and also i feel like there's so much uh misinformation that that that's presented um i think it would for a lot of people at a young age you know dispel like i guess the myths about you know guns and shooting and if hey these these are tools to be used responsibly you know teach people how to use them responsibly they're not scary if used responsibility they're certain if used responsibly there's certainly consequences if you use them irresponsibly grave consequences right um but i'd go with shooting and then the other one i'm gonna pick two i'm gonna say fishing because i think fishing is just the gateway drug to like all of the outdoors you're not wrong that is pretty accurate the tricky part is some people end up fishing and never start hunting but i think you'd get a lot of people that's still a win though like either way you shake it yeah it's good it's still good so i think about that like we travel a lot for sure i mean like so many lessons there too like you know if you bonk a fish you're like oh wow that's where fish comes from nope you know all right go sorry you travel for sure i just we travel a lot for shows and you know you go to these various cities and some of them are pro our culture and some of them aren't so much but you see that guy or gal that's got a vehicle of some type with a fishing sticker on it or the rapala hat or you just you know you know you can strike a conversation because you have common ground somewhere fishing is a bipartisan sport yeah yup you can be a total like you know rotten apple one side and like fishing and you can be a total the other side and like fish i'm just not gonna get into it i'm not gonna pick sides here no no but i i i've seen i've seen hippies in subarus loving fishing and i've seen gun guys and big old jacked up trucks love fishing yeah you know what i mean like yeah that's the beauty of it for sure or one of the beauties of it ryan excellent segway our very own maggie in the social media department asks the question rapala or rapala as you just said whoops the answer is for paula jim do you want to weigh in on this i have no idea the answer is rappola ten thousand percent rappler now i feel like mr mr rappella or something it's rapula what have you been doing comment below i mean it's gonna be hashtag agree but uh i feel like so i always called it rapala growing up and i believe it might have been mr roland martin iconic uh bass tv bass fisherman started calling it rapala i was like oh snap i've been saying it all wrong it's rappola why would it be rapala because it is i think you're putting the emphasis on the wrong syllable r-a-p or whatever that is ala i think rapala my outdoor thing comment below that'll probably i bet that'll be the most commented thing on my my outdoor thing in school would be fire building sure because oh yeah because the world literally relies on fire combustion is what is the reason why everyone is able to do anything that they enjoy uh in today's modern society um even power your electric vehicle what uh yes powered by coal uh in case you were wondering um but yeah i think i think if you're able to make a fire outside in the wilderness you can survive you can do many many things you can signal you can survive you can cook you can warm yourself i mean just so so many things it'll save your life and i'm genuinely like really awful at making fires if you get if you go like in an outdoor setting with uh a group of uh folks everybody thinks they can start the fire better oh yeah oh yeah that is one thing that's such a point of pride starting the fire it is i can start up fire but i'd start when i lived in nebraska the only modification i made to my 1910 home that when the wind blew the curtains blue is i put up wood stove in what they helped him well my buddy helped me put a wood my buddy put a wood stove in my house uh but uh dude i started countless fires oh that was great um oh ryan what's to hear what's your favorite bolt to run out of the 257 weatherby uh 110 grain acuban would be a good one um any of the barns dsx or ttsx's i have a preference to the ttsx i suppose um everything's application based though because what are you going to do with it you know are you hunting be hunting pronghorn or or elk or you know whatever i mean i think any of those bullets would do the trick at the end of the day it's whatever shoots best out of your gun and you can you know put a round on target with that's the bullet to run but um strong preference towards bullets like the accupond and the barns i was gonna say these are bullets that i hear you name yeah so frequently yeah barnes yeah those are two good ones i feel like it doesn't almost doesn't even matter with the cartridge for you it's that's probably if they make it you're leaning generally true that's it's like a hyper velocity cartridge it's a very spicy meatball um and so with that being said like you should be careful when you're selecting a bullet on construction depending on the game that you're hunting and i i'll generally pull it up even when i'm hunting softer critters like pronghorns um if you go too fast and you've got a bullet that has a very thin jacket and it doesn't have you know some sort of either a partition or a mechanical bond to it you can add like this crazy fragmentation that goes on you get poor penetration and you get this horrendous uh debris field that is your your projectile and secondary projectiles moving throughout the body cavity and um i'm i'm a big proponent of a hole in a whole out and the heavier bonded bullets do a better job of doing that and then homogeneous designs like the bar and stage yeah straight through uh here's a question uh what do the three of you do at vortex when not on the podcast maybe it's been mentioned but uh like what do you guys uh what are we doing uh when we're not podcasting who's our who's our asker on that one that's the eyeless shram right on mark what do you do here oh man uh i mean my life is work family hunt fish those are i mean those are the things that i have time for and then i generally pick hunting over fishing even though i absolutely love fishing is the question and the question is kind of like in everything not just at vortex what do you think maybe it's been oh yeah you're right well i i'm glad that you went into that i think that's fine i just want to make sure yeah no i was kind of i was reading it wrong so so they're asking more at vortex yeah so i do the podcast i've been in the marketing department for about uh 14 years now it's been a long time various capacities primarily on the content side of things now doing the podcast with you jim ryan and uh some writing you know some cutting mo like some mostly on the content side it's fun frequently found in instagram stories yeah the social media team likes to make me a target yeah you know what they always told me when i was growing up though we didn't like it we wouldn't pick on you yeah that's what they have it just means they like you that's that's what they always told me yeah then i go home and they like me so much at work um i run a little thing called vortex edge we have six full-time instructors we run some pretty awesome classes in firearms instruction and you can find all about it on the vortex website if you just look up training and then you check out vortex edge we have some really cool classes and the instructors are good dudes they've been on the podcast a number of times this morning we recorded one this morning we did that's right with chris yeah so when you see that and mark and i are wearing the same outfits in that podcast at some other point then you'll know that we recorded it the same day as this uh that's what i do among helping out with content stuff and other duties i've been here for a while outstanding summary um i ryan work on the consumer sales and technical side of the house so if you write in with a question on what riflescope to get what binoculars to get um how do they work um if you call us if you if you walk into the front door you'll get greeted by myself or 12 other individuals on that team i've been with vortex for about eight years uh coming up here in september it'll be eight years um and one thing i've always liked about vortex is it doesn't matter who i run into here when i work with here everybody wears a lot of hats so we all do a lot of different things a lot of hat wearers as well yeah which has been commented on on the podcast fyi i was going to wear my hat today i didn't uh unrelated to that i just chose not to wear the hat today right um that's a common piece of attire here at the shop but uh that's something i've always appreciated about this place is that um everybody does a little bit of everything and i think that's why it's so much fun and and um but it never feels like work yeah like we we all we all pick pieces up and move them when we need to and it gets done so i've gotten the opportunity to be on this podcast i didn't know what a podcast was in 2018 when you guys invited me on there i thought it was something i had to like pay for and and uh you want to be on the podcast how much yeah well i i didn't i didn't understand what it was um so it's really cool i get to work cross-functionally with with marketing and social teams and as well as other teams um doing all kinds of fun things and it's just super stimulating super engaging i'm never bored always fun fantastic yeah this might be one of my favorite questions of the whole thing it actually comes again from just never believe what happens at minute 26 uh yeah we got to speed this up i got a lot of highlights here jim uh comes again from mr kennywolf jr oh man and i think this this tells us this potentially tells a lot about person what type of coffee do you like and how do you take it he's going first ryan i'll hit it um i'd love to say i'm a coffee snob but i'm also very cheap so the coffee i've been drinking for the past several years comes in a fairly nondescript bag i ordered it from amazon it's 36 dollars for 5 pounds or 31 dollars for 5 pounds i drink it black usually in the morning it's uh it's just straight out of the old drip pot that i've had since i was in college and on saturdays and sundays i like to wake up in the morning and i like to grind it slowly and and meticulously and then do a pour over and i like to eat it with a stroopwafel i'll usually have two pour overs out of a large chemex um every saturday and sunday morning but black is typically how i do it and i don't necessarily care where it comes from as long as it's black coffee keeps me alive look at you you know so it's like not expensive coffee but it's good coffee though it's coffee i've had really good coffee like wow that's really good i don't know if i could replicate it yeah um so at the end of that it's just like it's a thing that um i tell myself i need so i drink it yeah i don't ask many other questions i love coffee yeah i i love coffee do you actually oh i do it's one of my favorite things in the world now i'm not i wouldn't say that i'm crazy particular like i have to have this kind of coffee all the time now there's a variety of uh starbucks blends or starbucks coffees that i like and i don't know do they have like sometimes like you like you're like oh i like this and then like a company has like political things that you don't know about so hopefully i don't get roasted oh you're gonna get roasted for that one starbucks is pretty much top of the list yeah are they okay well yeah i guess i don't anymore drink that uh and then probably one of the best cups of coffee i've had though and again i haven't checked out you know i mean like i just like i went to the store i got it it was delicious so that's all i know about it uh colectivo here in wisconsin they had an uh uh uh it was guadam they called it guatemala mountain of the flowers that sounds like a phenomenal place man that's on art school coffee right there was delicious it was so good but here's the thing so i bought a bunch at the place i was like oh this is a great cup of coffee i had it at the place with the stuff i made in the pot at home which i granted i was pr i was using uh you know tap water out of like standard drip thing dramatically different like it was not even not even close to what i had to get some of that reverse osmosis and then or something and then i go back and forth you know coffee at home i go back and forth it seems like i'm on about a six month thing where i'm like i'll drink black coffee for about six months and then i'll drink it with heavy whipping cream for about six months i'll tell you this about mark if you go to the airport with him you guys are gonna fly out things you will do is have to stop and get a coffee mark wants just a little what do you call it just a little space for cream room for cream room for cream yeah if i'm getting cream which actually i mean if you're on if you're going to the airport or something like that the cream you get otherwise it stays hot too long yeah i don't understand how it holds it then all of a sudden you're like you're burning your mouth right before your trip like i'm gonna eat all these great foods on this trip or something like that and they're like great now i can't taste for the next week and you know maybe you're pressed for time you wanna drink your coffee put a little cream i like but i do like you know had the stores come with uh half and half you know but at home heavy whipping cream heavy whipping cream yeah treat yourself like you pour it in and it almost like sinks and like blooms at the top it's delicious and this one to watch jim what coffee do you like i won't touch the stuff man enjoy the smell hate the taste hate the taste i hate the taste sure hate it and everyone's always like you just having a good coffee and then they try and give me good coffee and i hate it still and i think coffee is stupid it is i think it's dumb coffee drinkers are never satisfied they're never satisfied i'm satisfied they always are they always say it's like every every coffee is an event it's oh let me try this coffee then they try it coffee is like they try it and then they go oh i i re i don't like that i wish it tasted more like that you use the wrong water is it a is it a did you let it go for a long time was that did you scald the beans like did you how did you grind it there's all this nonsense all those things all these people claim they needed to like wake up when in reality they've just you've become dependent on it yes yes yes right i know and that is stupid you know what i was doing right before this podcast drinking coffee drinking coffee at 3 00 p.m absolutely and i can't wait get to get back to my desk that's problematic you know what's good water that keeps you alive that's pretty good um i tried okay what is everyone's favorite rifle they own and shoot jim what's your favorite rifle that you have um i really like my what do i like you know that gun we took on that coyote hunt that pod adventure where i shot a coyote it's an 18 inch ar yeah the suppressor on the end of it and just shoots really really well short stroke you worked on it a little bit that one time because we had something goofy uh short stroke piston yeah right that's an amalgamation of things yeah yeah it's a very much a franken gun of all types and uh and sorts but but it shoots real nice heavy as all get out but yeah stick it on a tripod and shoot it it's just i enjoy the heck out of that gun it's a good gun ryan it's a very difficult question to ask because i don't know how i can answer it without hurting the feelings of the other arms in my safe that um i in in you know love so much i really like i've got a kimber mountain ascent in 308 that has very much grown on me for the past several years that i've owned it um other people have done more interesting things with the rifle than i have but it's just one i grab every time because it works every time and it shoots very well i also have a 30 odd six is that the mount in the center is that a montana well that's mountain ascent started life is in montana and then it got turned into a mountain ascent that's a little extra mountain it is it says on it mountain ascent where on the receiver or the barrel on the barrel the stock what is the bearing the stock is the gray montana stock i know this because it's in my basement right here yeah i borrowed it by the way i need that back by like next tuesday um no it's it is it is now a mountain ascent the differentiation between the action in the barrel right it's just the barrel and then it's the bolt oh the skeletonized bolt and then the color of the stock so that might be it is that might be the only gray stock mountain ascent that exists i don't know that to be true um you can't buy one but that might be the only montana stock mountain descent that exists it is a mountain ascent barrel bolt muzzle break the whole the whole kit and caboodle i do love that gray montana stock there's something about it it's a lovely gun um but i've got a an auth6 that started its life as a remington 700 mountain laminate stainless that i picked up from the shop that i used to work at and i got it for song and um have that gun has been reiterated and reanimated more times than i think i could count in a number of different configurations in stock and trigger and this has always been a 30 odd six but i have done a lot of work with that rifle um i at one time hocked it to make ends meet and then bought it back from the guy that i sold to i thought that thing was long gone i thought it was gone and uh we started up conversation and i'm like you still got that gun and he's like well yeah i knew you'd want it back someday and it was like years later very nice and i i paid him double what he hocked me for holding onto that uh that time and a survivor yeah and so it uh currently resides in the in the safe i might take it out i have yet to decide on what gun i'm gonna pronghorn a mule deer with this year maybe it comes back out um it is still 30 odd six it is now in a different stock uh with the same scope different rings and i love it i also love my 1885 high wall that's cool gun i don't know you're acting like me you're not picking one i can't i can't pick not that that's too hard that's like saying which one of your kids do you love the most i don't have kids i have guns i love them all this one uh mark oh [ __ ] do i even need to say i feel like i already said it's it's the 300 words stainless stalker 2004 300 wisdom accurate gun right it's a shooter not a bad shooting gun i went on a recent hunt though had a i missed with it i did and it was just it was just a flat mess but it was not the gun's fault the gun's great gun's very accurate i mean it's not the first time you mess with that gun though no not not saying anything shouldn't have been like it's not like shots it's not like the gun's losing it no anything you know what i mean sub moa gun that's a good shooting gun um this one i don't know what the end why is ryan so perfect this comes from uh chip stippy the instagram ryan why are you so damn tell us ryan i am the least i'm the furthest thing from perfect that's why everybody loves you that's it perfect of humankind yeah i am very modest too apparently no that's just the reality of the situation modesty is uh a cloak what is the number one thing in your life that made you the way you are today such an indecisive proper english-speaking cartridge knowing you know sob selfless yet self-loathing do you want me to get into this smarter wait hold on because we're 40 minutes deep and i got a lot this might be a whole session in 60 seconds or less in 60 seconds or less the way i am the way i am why i am the way i am i would say because i had no idea what i could do with myself and so i hyper focused on something that i felt i was good at and this is it i have a personality trait that drives me to fixation on things um and and that this is where it brought me this is the only place that that's fate you're home yeah you're home now yeah um we got one well okay three questions one for each of us what did it feel like to buy my first ar-15 that's for you yeah who's this from uh bump a third two okay yeah you know that guy uh yeah we've gotten stuff from him before oh yeah um so back when ars we're just kind of starting to become mainstream at least to me to me as like a more hunting focused person now there's definitely a thing there unless you're going to say like back when ars was becoming mainstream in 2015 maybe you missed it no i was going to say probably 2 000 or seven okay yeah now that's now you're you're actually that is before a definite surgence in the ar so that's when i bought my what i would consider my first ar-15 but it was a remington r-15 it was a camouflage ar-15 it was like i wasn't it's like i wanted it's like i wanted to be there but i wasn't ready to commit right so that's why that's why remington made guns like that just for guys like you exactly so it was camo i was like oh this would be a great uh coyote rifle you know fast follow-ups and then well sometime when i was here at vortex we've told the story before but uh i sold it did dom weatherbury am i right no i sold him a different rifle oh uh that he sold he promptly reversed he's sneaky i traded them it was more of a trade i gave them which was a really nice rifle it was a browning x-bolt hunter with the wood stock so i traded them that for a gen 3 glock and 300 and 300 bucks cash yeah and then he like had a buddy that had a gun that he wanted but his buddy wanted that browning and so then he swapped that for that and it was like i don't know everybody made out okay in the trade i'm sorry about that i thought that was the ar but yeah quote dances with wolves good trade yep um so then i was like oh why now i've got this money i'm just gonna go and like you know put that towards you know getting some parts and i want to build an ar and i didn't want that other ar and then like you know whatever 10 years later i still never like i think i needed new tires so i got new tires i remember a mark boardman at the vortex that was in middleton many moons ago he was driving a gray at the time f-150 with the triton v8 in it oh yeah and it had a little bit of rust on the bottom uh on the body but it it still went oh yeah and i still remember a mark boardman of that era saying oh yeah no i'm actually pretty close to building an ar i think i only need like a couple of roll pins maybe like a trigger spring or something like that and i'm like in what world did you buy a lower parts kit that was minus sands a couple roll pins in a trigger spring i don't know anyway it felt really good well then in a podcast here you guys gifted me an ar-15 and 300 short meg it was kind of a pile too we never got that thing to shoot we got to work on that we keep forgetting to work on that thing we do um and then and then i finally finished the other one and then i like had parts left over then i built an ar pistol and i got three now you got three and it feels great i got a one two one to ten on one i got i got a spark solar on the little shorty such a convenient little gun actually i was thinking about i'll probably get my um i will start with 22s but i think that'll probably be the first gun that i shoot with the girls because that's so like short like it complements their frame their stature so um cool okay uh jim what was your first car that you modified modify is the key word there and i did some i did some very minor modifications to a 99 jeep wrangler back in high school but that really wasn't anything uh substantial i did some modifications to an 88 bmw 325is that's in the parking lot right now that i drove into work um yeah that wasn't really a whole i mean that wasn't super was that the first thing yeah i mean that was the first car that i like really worked on you know like that i actually had the whole rear end out of the transmission out of we swapped it from an automatic to a manual put it in absolutely a little modifier yeah one little bit but i'm actually in the process i'm in the process of doing a full on like actually i'm in to process it no three process of doing a full-on engine swap currently all happening simultaneously it's a really bad way to go i wouldn't recommend it no it seems like a good way to mix up parts and then i also put a flat bed on the hilux pretty big deal all things brilliant pretty big deal somebody was asking about that the other day i just had nothing but positive things it looks like professional it looks like you went to the flatbed store and said i need the deluxe and i appreciate that you know jim made a statement earlier in this podcast about being able to do things with fire you learn how to build a fire eventually that learns or leads you into forging metals and you went from not welding to master class welding in not a lot of time i wouldn't call myself master class there's much to be learned i felt good that in a matter of like four months i went from not welding to tick welding an entire aluminum flatbed and it looks tops i mean those welds are like really like aluminum boats and the welds on there look just like the ones that you would see on a finished aluminum boat which actually comment below if you'd like to see jim build a mini jet boat oh yeah please comment that i hope you do say yes because i really want to build one uh i'm going to do it anyway regardless what you say you guys are too kind though all the bad ones are on the bottom so it's hard hard to see that's very very jealous and impressed thank you um next so ryan this might so maybe i'm misunderstanding or maybe this person says where was your gun store and how long did you own it oh that's a great question because i didn't own a gun store i worked at a gun shop that is still there today uh that is little crow shooting sports i actually spoke with charlie the new owner not two hours ago um i started there when i was in high school and i was like 15 at the time my first honest day's work was unloading a semi full of um like a thousand and eighty cases of winchester super target 12 gauge um for their biannual ammo sale so that was in like february and uh that's a that was that was an awesome shop and i think about that place all the time um so i started there in like 2005-ish dude one of my favorite jobs to this day is working at outdoor emporium in downtown seattle retail i miss it that place taught me a lot of lessons yeah and um i had so many awesome customers over the years and just like characters yeah that you are you can't replicate them because they were just these most wonderful people that would come in there and i was very young at the time but anyway little crow shooting sports hutchinson minnesota that's one eight four eight two b 202 circle street in hutchinson um if you're in the area swinging it's great shop worked there for like seven years do you ever what's the significance of the name little crow uh so i'm like yeah chief little crow um was a native american um from the area and he was a significant player in the lakota sioux wars that occurred there he was killed murdered um about five miles north of my hometown and um the crow river flows through hutchinson as well and so he's a very significant historical figure in the area that's cool yeah and so little crow shooting sports um is where that got its name uh founder um and former owner jim condon uh and his business partner john earhart started that i want to say like 1983 maybe a little bit before that i don't think jim listens to podcast john's gone unfortunately but shout out to james condon greatest man i've ever known how about that yeah what do we got mark uh jackson via instagram wants to know who wears the pants and the friendship and why come on i think you think there's i think you know you think there's an obvious answer here all right go ahead i'm not that sounds like you uh have some thoughts on the matter i don't have any thoughts brian do you know we're all wearing pants that's a step in the right direction not shoes jim hates shoes jim does hate shoes got on me about that yesterday too i'd like to think we all wear the pants equal pants nickel pants i would say that i have pants you have pants yeah where'd you get your pants fact the pant store store i think i think that everyone has in this group very unique perspectives on just about everything that we do we have different pants different pants it's the sleeves it's the police some if you were a pair of pants what would you be how about that great question mark what would you be i know what you'd be it's that exact pair of jeans that you wear every day yeah i got like four sets of them i like them yeah a pair of jeans we can pick any pants you can pick any pants wow that's tough i've got a pair of eddie bauer pants yeah i've got a pair of eddie bauer and you gotta when you if you buy these you gotta there's a significance in the uh denotation here it is the uh see how he says denotation what does it even mean that's a denotation there's a distinction it's the eddie bauer pro work pant they're like the carhartt double front there's carhartt pants and then there's carhartt double fronts right do you work in them yeah i use them for hunting a lot and actually i got tied up in some blackberries the other day because i was looking for some mushrooms that i never even got a chance to find and it was i was wearing those pants and um i think they kept me from certain disaster yeah i'd be that that guide pro work pant i primarily like to wear pinky up performance style hunting pants you do however about one day a year we do a day of deer drives very tough to beat the double front man and the briars and stuff like that you can beat them up forever forever they're good i got a set of cool i believe they are the i can't remember if it's the silencer or the rad kill uh first time i ever wore them was to the vortex extreme where i used my ruger american with my razor 5-20 and there was a fence crossing aspect or component to the course which i had to go over barbed wire which i had never known before careful um i say i'd never done that before like i've never been outside in my entire life but i don't know i just never found myself crossing barbed wire much um sliced them open my mom stitched them up when i got home i feel very young at this point yeah i went home and i'm like mom these new pants i got a rip in them she sewed them up and i still have them to this day the sew job that my mom did is still good they're all completely covered in grease and muck and grime and weld burns and all this other stuff and i love them and i would be those pants they're good pants good pants so comfortable we just spent five minutes answering a question nobody asked we asked ourselves oh this is uh what would everyone's dream hunt to do outside of the u.s i've got two again come on do one i'll go first i'm gonna say stone sheep canada in my advanced stage that might be a pretty tough hunt these days you're tough you're a tough sop you'll be fine in the uh and then new zealand and then new zealand but like like not high fence new zealand like regular regular new zealand again tough hunt yeah i think that's some of that stuff some of the toughest towns in the world tarp look really cool they also look like they live in very frightening places yeah i don't want to be like you know what i mean but that seems cool ryan where are you going international international only on this one come on um for a very long time and i have no good reason why actually it was because that's from jengar loam by the way shout out um when i became enamored with barnes bullets there's a very famous picture of um randy brooks who uh brought barnes into the modern era if you will and he has a very large marco polo argali that that he had killed with a 300 weatherby which happens to be one of my favorite cartridges um and i have wanted a marco polo for a long time because you haunt them at obscene altitudes in in a place that is completely as close to untouched by human hands as possible um and it's like at the top of the world like 16 000 feet and it's like you're on the ice planet hoth when you're hunting them but like being a realist i'm probably never going to make that hunt just due to cost and and the logistics of getting into the oh yeah i'm not talking i'm not going stone cheap anytime soon right um i would really honestly probably like hunting fallow deer in hungary more i think my grandmother was born and hungry and i've always wanted to hunt there um and that would be a cool thing a really traditional european style hunt um it'd be cool to do with old guns too yeah like old guns that would be fun i like it i'd take either one of those that's pretty good jim where you headed what kind of critters do they have down in argentina or chile oh cool stuff chilean whitetails see because i would really like to do some sort of a big transcontinental uh like journey vehicle like very custom-built vehicle like an overland type thing yeah kind of yeah but like drive all the way down there and just explore all the sights that i can possibly see the whole way down i mean like i'm talking like a old classic vw beetle with a v8 in the back and like oh wow okay i don't know something weird it'd have to be super strange yeah like some sort of scrambler build motorcycle attached to it yeah that i could off mount dismount and go up further yeah so uh that and then i just i'd go as far south as i can go in a vehicle uh which i'm assuming would be you know this vehicle that and this trip that you're describing is really matching up with you never wearing shoes i am i know i'd end up in patagonia with other people just like me sort of damn hippy um pretty much but uh i'd do that and then whatever was there when i got there uh or if it broke down i'd just hunt that there's a lot of stuff there's a there's a lot of cool things sounds neat and i've heard i think uh in argentina yeah and maybe they're called andean whitetails there's a south american whitetail it's very are you talking about the or what are what's a fannin you hear about those fans fannin's a sheep no yeah it's like it people it's like almost like a smaller than a kooz deer i think well i did have a lot of fun on coos deer so but i know what you're talking about there's a south american white defense either chilean indiana yeah or i think it's indian maybe i'm saying this wrong it's a very small whitetail um they have those down there they've got argentinian red stag they have a ton of crazy waterfowl and then when you get into central america they've gotten all these fun birds and small small deer like micro deer that's fun that'd be cool anyway i'd go as far south as i could get in the vehicle and uh then hunt yeah whatever's there yeah i'm trying to find it's not about i suppose for me i know you guys maybe you guys get it's like a specific animal in your head right it's so cool for me it's all about the location the place yes i love the place the place is so i just you know i like to just go anywhere and hunt whatever's there it's nice it's cool place i like you looking at that from that angle and actually when i think about the selections that i made a lot of those are actually based on the place it's like the animal i'm sure yeah absolutely yeah you wouldn't want to hunt it in like a backyard or something yeah but like i love hunting black bears but like not all black bear hunts are created equal right like there's certain that there's certain places where you can do that where it's just like oh it's so cool yeah um hmm oh ryan what's your favorite thing to forage for that's tough uh because i really really really like fungus of kind of any kind um i may or may not i may or may not have a guy yeah real fun guy i may or may not have just gotten back from a basically two-day trip to the canadian border you did i saw the pictures on instagram to go find some mushrooms um but i'd probably say berries more than mushrooms yeah sure what is it about finding the berries is it just the fact that the taste is delicious when you find them or is it like something about like well see now i'm gonna go back and forth on this like especially like really good mushrooms like morels are great everybody likes morals you like go out and chase them and i think that there's like a part of it it's the first mushroom of the year generally that's emerging at least in our area oh i know where you're going um you're about to you're about to morels are not that good ah yes that's right they're a good mushroom but they're not that good they're they're they're fine that's it that's all they are uh they're good and here's the big plus they're very identifiable they are yeah it's hard although i had a whole bushel of false morales at one point oh it's hot to drop i remember that yeah um they're good they're good but uh i i it's just tough wild food wild forage food wild hunted food wild caught food whatever it's all very special um i like berries because you usually get a lot of them and you can do a lot of cool things with them you can eat them like right away too yeah that's that's clean yeah that's another part of that you know like i was picking sweets a treat i was picking blueberries this weekend too up there um i was looking at canada there was a lot of were the berries i'd say they were like 60 on they had some time to go boy they go er it varies a couple years ago i got six pounds in three hours on july 4th wow it was july 20 something maybe got like a pound and a half but i was looking at canada from lake sagonaga while picking blueberries and as i got down up from this blueberry spot i went down a road that i had bear hunted down some years ago and i found a cap full of chanterelles which are probably my favorite those are good and then i mix the two together i mean blueberry reduction i put it on top of the chanterelles which i sauteed is that legal oh my god fruit on mushrooms yeah man i can actually see that many things it's got to be the right mushroom it was so good it was so good jim what is your dream car project these last two are from uh gt olson 14. what's up um what's your dream car project are you working on it right now or is that yet to come my dream car project my dream car project i don't know i mean it changes all the time i i i really really don't like well hey i don't like cars that are garage queens um i respect all car enthusiasts so if that's your thing i'm not gonna get mad at you about it but if i own the car i'd be driving a lot and b and b i'm not really into like full-on perfect restorations just back to like oem spec i like the resto mod if you will i like to change things and um so i'm always trying to think of like what's something weird that i can do that hasn't been done yet that's also really difficult because people have been doing stuff like i like doing for years and years i'm like super hot to trot on the idea of this the i mentioned a classic volkswagen beetle with like a big v8 sticking out of the back of it um that it wouldn't be the first time anybody's ever done that either um but i would like to do that i'm currently working on something that i think will be really fun which is a 1700 pound datsun 1200 pickup with a 350 horsepower turbocharged four-cylinder motor in it uh and then like four lengths i don't know anything anything as long as it but i like to take things that aren't that popular and people don't really think are that neat and make them really really like stupid we cool we haven't referred to you as weird gun gym in many years now it's like weird car jim i like anything weird yeah doesn't matter what it is as long as it's weird i like it i would really love you know what i'd love i'd love to take actually somebody did this too explains why we get along so well i saw it on youtube uh somebody did this as well they took a tesla and they dropped an ls in it did they really yeah they did and i just think that's so great because you know you just take an electric car and you just make something just absolutely ridiculous out of it just big i want the exhaust pipe sticking out of everywhere and i want it to be loud as hell it's cool i that sends a message it does it does it says thanks for the body i'll take care of the power [Music] uh okay top uh coming from uh brent 330 top bucket list species yet to harvest oh bren yeah hey trent um somebody else go first because i don't know i got my mine's easy oh let's hear it well okay i've got two mines i've got two again actually though i'm gonna go with uh caribou and then but also and probably even above that i would say a uh big roosevelt bull from my home state of washington with the bow though that'd be special have a really good rosie hunt kill it kill a giant with the bow yeah that'd be it man right mine would be a moose okay i've been uh i've been a hot to trot on those since i was a lad when i'm from minnesota we had a moose hunt in minnesota until 2013 never drew didn't get a chance i think it's a species that in my lifetime may not be able to be huntable in the lower 48. and um that's that's we're doing okay that's hard to say and and uh i i love eating moose i think they're a phenomenal phenomenal creature this is definitely one of the best this vestigial remnant of the ice age uh a huge giant thing and i would like very much to to chase them through the alders mine's arizona coos deer yeah we've been on that hunt i just didn't uh get the chance to make the final connection yeah you did you shot at one with a self bowl with a self bow yeah no that wasn't the self boat that one was a uh that one was a trad bulb oh i didn't do that i mean when you think about that would you eat like 22 yards in that deer yeah that's wild that felt really good because it was sort of like in some ways i beat the deer but i just you know i didn't make the right and close like you had your pistol he'd have been toast yeah uh yeah that was really cool that was actually really spectacular so wessel german or is it vessel would it be yeah come on now uh the german guy get in here vessel uh what age did we start hunting what rifle cartridge was your first animal taken with p.s best podcast ever hey big you probably could hear that that was jim's spine sorry i didn't mean to do that that loud uh ryan when you start hunting what age i started going with on hunts um at about the age of five my grandfather my uncle took me out on both a muskrat trap line and then waterfowl hunting my grandfather was one of like the last duck men that i knew about like obsessed with it getting up early in the morning and pushing through pencil reads and cat tales to go chase blue bills and really whatever duck flu um would say that i started hunting like really actually doing it at about the age of six started again with waterfowl and small game rabbits and squirrels and then moved into predator hunting probably around the age of 10 or 11. my first big game hunt i was it was white-tailed deer in minnesota where i'm from i didn't actually kill a deer until i was 16 because whitetails in four town minnesota if anybody knows where four town is few and far between pretty low deer density so i actually didn't see a white-tailed deer in the woods for four seasons yeah i began hunting grouse and turkeys and pheasants as well in the interim there i killed my first whitetail which still is on my wall in my house now um with a remington 700 bdl chambered in 30 odd 6 that my father had bought because he wanted a new gun because that was the second rifle he ever bought he bought his first in 1983. and he bought a second in probably 2001. wow yep and i killed the deal with that i was with a hundred and probably 165 grain uh power shock nice yeah sure on the back i want to back up i forgot to ask myself a question this was also from gt olsen 14 that he asked you the car question jim and uh and ryan 15 to 4. he asked me other than the the wisdom um oh yeah uh you can only own one rifle cartridge was what is it and i don't like me putting the nut in that spot because it would be the wisdom but i would say it's to be an odd six yeah that's just that's that's what's going on that's fine um my first so i started hunting at age seven i think i had a bb gun before that which i probably shouldn't have had but i did i never shot out but i never shot windows or anything like that but a lot of shooting would be gone started deer hunting with my dad at the age of seven probably to the detriment of his deer hunting success but he'd take me and uh loved it man loved it just yeah absolutely loved it uh first game animal i ever shot was a rough grouse with a single shot 410 out of a tree ryan because we all know grouse can't fly bingo uh i remember what we'd spotted this grouse flew up into the tree my brother and i got out he had an over under guy up there they climbed oh yeah theoretically he flew into the tree or yeah to be seen yeah i mean it's kind of like bigfoot [Laughter] but uh my brother had an over under 12 gauge and i was like i was kind of jealous of that gun you know yeah and uh but i think uh and actually i was new to the shotgunning world all i'd shot was a lot of you know 22 and you know 410 and whatever and pretty handy with those things at that age and so the idea of like just being able to point and have like these multiple projectiles like you felt like you just like lightning bolt of zeus right and i was shorter than my brother three years younger and we're looking for this bird i'm like holy oh sorry uh well that says what i was thinking sorry that's fair and uh i'm like i see it and i raise that thing up pow knocked it out of the tree and i yeah like up until that point in my life i had never had a state of like adrenaline and like euphoria and like pride and accomplishment like it was like so overwhelming like so amazingly overwhelming and it was just it was awesome i got it and uh and it was cool yeah i don't know it was awesome my first my first big game rifle was a uh remington uh uh pump hot six what was that the 760 game master do you still have it yeah let me know if you want to part ways with that it's even got uh my dad my grandfather bought it for me from a guy at like i don't like a garage sale or something or whatever and it's that actually the stock was uh i think i think it was his wife's gun so that she cut the stock off was good for me because that's you know 12. that's awesome yeah i think my first hunt i was i was in my 20s because i don't know i just grew up and i was obsessed with sports yeah so i just like played sports all the time um and i was like this is the cool thing to do i still play sports a lot and i still kind of am obsessed in fact last night i couldn't sleep so i went out in my driveway and played hoops at 11 pm until i can fall asleep um so much coffee you gotta lay off the coffee yeah must be yeah but i think hunting is really awesome the the hunts that i have gone on i've absolutely loved i just uh we talked about this in the episode we had a while back it was the strange reasons we hunt or something like that yeah you guys absolutely have something in you that like it was an engine that got ignited and just never stopped running and i'm more of like that one you kind of have to like turn on it sputters for a while and it goes and you're like great and then it just sort of like shuts off on its own um because yeah as soon as i can then i get back to the garage and i'm like all right i need to build something but i do love the adventure so like if if some chilean whatever thing was presented to me hell yeah i'm gone it's on like donkey kong um but yeah so if there's an adventure i'm all about it and i want to do something when i get there so hunting would be pretty fantastic to do i like it what uh gerard ball's ass favorite carry gun which i don't i need to i feel like you're responsible because i don't i probably shouldn't let people know that i don't they're going to know i'm unarmed so i have to maybe that'll be the catalyst that i actually start ryan here i've sported a lot of irons over the years um i really like carrying i used to carry a sig p230 and a p232 and i really like the way they wore um they're a slim gun they fit the hand very nice um actually a lot of recoil like a fixed breech design and and so or like a fixed barrel design they don't have like a blowback system like the glock does or anything and very snappy gun to shoot um and of course it's a 380 so it's i'm i mean anything's better than nothing but um i had to dispatch a dairy cow one time and i used that pistol and upon the first shot uh and i'm sorry i'm laughing because i all i can picture is napoleon dynamite the the first oh my mind didn't go there the first projectile from a distance of about 24 inches didn't actually make it through the skull and so the second follow-up did at that point in time i i changed i changed course and i started carrying glock 26. um these days i'm usually carrying a 43x i become enamored with that pistol um but i've also carried revolvers um i've carried clock 19 the 26 i went through a phase where i carried a full-size pistol um i've carried a burst of thunder 380. um what else i carried a beretta 3032 tomcat for a short bit um and i was wow yeah it had a laser on it crimson trace laser oh my gosh was it in the handle where you wouldn't oh yeah yeah and it was the inox version so it's the stainless steels real fancy gun like highfalutin and um i started shooting with that thing a little bit more um and it failed to eject more times than it worked and then i realized that that is a liability uh so i sent that one down the road but usually i i would lend to the simplicity of the glock auto pistol design any of them will do i favor i favor the uh midsize to subcompact and the new slimline guns i've got a 42 a 43 and a 43x and yeah they're like uh they're very very very portable that's what i'd like to start what i like to get is one of those 43 x's um because right now i have a 26 and i love the 26. and the reason i haven't gotten on 43x is probably because i just i'm like i have this 26 and it works i can't put a dot on it though because it's a gen 322 i don't even know if they actually have a 26 mos do they will they do now okay well i guess i just got to get it but um i just love that little thing it's great i'm not a big guy and i also know if it's the clothes that i wear or whatever but the 26 is is about where i get with i can conceal it uh well and it's not printing and you know all that stuff not that i really think printing is something that people need to make as big of a deal out of as they do make out of but i get it at the same time yeah um yeah you know if i had my if i like could just carry whatever i wanted and it were like a perfect world where where well i have this 357 magnum magnesium or no scandium frame j frame smith and wesson thing was the first gun i ever received my dad gave it to me when i was 12. which is not the gun you give a 12 year old no it's worth didn't he also say something like don't tell your mother uh that might have been somewhere in there along with like don't point at yourself or something but um i love shooting that gun it's the most fun gun i have to shoot and i just i want to carry it but it's only got five shots you know it's an internal hammer revolver and so as much as people say revolvers are like the most you know reliable thing on the planet they're actually like probably no more reliable if even maybe less reliable than like a glock uh you know and so for all these reasons i don't carry it but i just want to carry it darn it i want to carry a revolver uh because because you love shooting yeah i'm surprised those things are very uncomfortable i just love this shoot horny defense yeah oh that's good oh i don't know i'd probably i've got a gen 319 it's a good gun still the tommy leatherbury special that's it that's the one set the one with the stippled frame yeah and a tan slide yeah it's got a yeah uh fde dura coated slide uh i think that was probably even back before cerakote was like a big was duracoat before cerakote did they commercially like congruently or i'm pretty sure it's scary the accessibility of duracoat and the affordability probably put it on scene as more popular first early on yeah so i could definitely carry that gun um the gen fives are pretty sweet though like i think i'd probably if i was going to get a new pistol i'd probably get a gen 5 19. no and carry that and it's not that much bigger right no not nothing you're currently on same gun no but i mean like then like um um like a 20 20 yeah it's considerably larger a little bit heavier in the grand scheme of things yeah i mean it's yeah that's good both are i think if you get a pistol now there's no reason you shouldn't get an optics ready pistol in fact you absolutely should get an optic ready pistol even if you decide not to put a red dot on it there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't get one because it just affords you the flexibility later on that's my suggestion jim you're kind of a health food nut we're going we're going long long-winded no that's okay uh csm underscore 605 asks deepest darkest okay favorite favorite fast food oh uh well hmm i guess if we're getting like a little deep dark you know kind of like a guilty pleasure uh so like two is by far by far my favorite i love burritos i let you know all these things i'm a huge snob about burritos but man i love taco bell what yes yeah you didn't know that who are you what do you mean taco bell is delicious get i can eat in one sitting six to seven crunchwrap supremes and feel totally fine afterwards i just like the regular hard shell taco supremes i bet i could the hardshell ones are a pain in the butt it's like i'm a hardship i like hard shell that's what that's the next podcast hardshell or soft shell go um we can ask the viewers what's yours i i know what it is but you know what it is too uh i don't know if this will surprise you or not but i do love me some taco bell god but i'm going to say a gas station hot dog with with the nacho chili and cheese with ketchup mustard and the nacho chili and cheese and probably some jalapenos yeah that's right that sounds right that's right that is a guilty pleasure i haven't had one in years but they are delicious what's yours ryan uh mcdouble with mac sauce oh that's good we at at we'll call it old vortex when we're in middleton we ordered um we did a uh we'll call it a group buy i mean i think there was 16 mcdoubles with max ass on there there was 60 nuggets it was 80 and mcdonald's if you buy large enough quantities of food have a very robust and sturdy double double-handled carrying bag oh that's cool yeah we did that that was a classic mcdonald's in middleton too yeah we did a caloric in there we did a caloric content analysis of that lunch and it was heinous it was bad yeah like your lucky guys survived i'm surprised the physician didn't reach out and actually there's nothing that comes with a health or there's not some sort of like paperwork you have to do if you're gonna if you're gonna buy this quantity of mcdoubles you're gonna have to sign this it was it was a release farm of your of your life couple mcchickens in there but that i i don't do that one very often i'll get i'll get with pretty decent regularity if i'm traveling in the morning a um sausage egg and cheese mcmuffin i also get it with an orange juice and a black coffee i'm not a fan of the potato thing they call them hash browns but it's delicious wow it's not but um i don't i don't disagree if i ate anything from mcdonald's it's an instant just bad situation yeah yeah that's gonna happen too i don't know what that can happen too caleb rise something like that says uh you wake up at 4 00 am can't fall asleep work starts at eight how do you feel the four hours jim apparently you're shooting i'm shooting oops i didn't know that uh i'm probably gonna drink coffee and watch ridiculousness you'll be able to find it nobody can find really ridiculousness on cable television like you mark could find ridiculousness on vhs it's not hard to find it's literally turned the tv on turn it to mtv airdrop airdrop mark into the middle of the gobi desert with nothing more than a tube tv and a twin-ear antenna and he will find ridiculousness tinfoil and there it is brian what are you doing at 4am yeah and work starts today yeah i'm doing emails it's a terrible idea i'm sorry i am what i am um somebody asked what my biggest deer to date is actually it's gabe gabe schultz um i don't know like i mean i guess i know like i haven't had them scored um i shot a nice whitetail in wisconsin here but it's probably like what 140 how long ago was that a couple years ago yeah with the bow biggest bow buck might be my biggest and then i probably shot a mule deer that i think is in the 60s somewhere i don't know maybe 70 i don't know didn't put a tape to it fond memories though you just know in your hands particularly the white it's a bigger one that was cool that was the most excited i've ever seen you you were here i came to vortex because i was like ryan are you still at work i mean i must have taken the day off to hunt that day you did work that was a very blustery day it's cold it was because we staged pictures out on the hillside yeah shot yeah it was another slow on the ground mark hunt's best in absolute climate conditions yeah it's uh that was a stellar buck ten pointer as they say you backed it in the garage yeah because it was so cold that was a really good fall for me because my dad i'd shot a black tail like a couple weeks earlier when i went back home and he had shipped it to work so ryan helped me load that up in the coolers that my dad shipped and then uh and then we had the the new deer and the truck too yeah that's great that was a good fall that was like probably one of my best falls um yeah uh dear slayer jcv says y'all should do a nerf war nerf war that's that's just good advice um yeah we actually did there was some footage of a nerf war between the edge team and the marketing team at one point and that was they took they took that on mark pretty personally yeah yeah those guys get pretty competitive but uh we should we should have another one just one's gonna go a little bit longer yeah yeah we're going for a couple hundred episodes so you know people at this point if the fact that they've been listening this long and don't know anything about us is surprising bret brad bartlett 143 wants to know what our dream african species to hunt would be oh easy what's yours let's hear it spiral horned antelopes oh that's not one i can only pick one yeah what lord derby eland oh sick yeah that's a good one but i want to do it i want to do it old i want to do it with a british under lever hammer gun or i want to do it with a 1903 man like a show an hour i think i don't know exactly what rifle i'd want to do it with but i'm i just it would be just a classic woodstock 375 h and from from dikers to elin to kudu everything's going down with the 375. that's what i do what's your one the one the one species oh man um spiral horn down maybe can you name them i mean that's everybody's like that's such like a fallback but they're just so cool looking yeah they are neat um those elon are just giant stout critters though i uh in impala i mean those are like two cl like i feel like yeah i've never gone you know so if you've gone to africa a lot you're probably like yeah maybe i don't need another one of those i don't know but i think they're i think they're cool looking spring buck cool there's a lot of cool stuff over there i don't know anything about african big game i wouldn't mind hunting something with like a really cool african dog though okay because i think some of those african dogs are really neat like rhodesian ridgebacks and stuff like that i think they go after like lion dogs and stuff like that that is the fable yeah i know i've talked to a couple people that have run jack russell's for jaguar or jaguar excuse me that's south america leopard leopard how about that yeah jack russell terriers like they have one of those caracals over there too yeah like a different type of cat i think dogs are neat and i wouldn't mind hunting something in africa with a dog but somebody would have to tell me what that was gonna be yeah i don't know um okay what what vortex glass do we prefer i'll just go i'm going with a set of uhd 10 by 42s razer hd 4000 handheld rangefinder that's gonna like those are my staples and then if i'm gun hunting i'm gonna throw three to 15 lht on the top and call it good and you'll kill anything on the planet with that setup there said it's done i knew he was going to say that that's no surprise at all ryan what do you have to say viper has two and a half to ten by forty four yep good scope let's go razor eleven to thirty three four spotter finals i can go a lot of different ways on if you're looking for the best bang for the buck period the end it's the viper hd eight by forty two if you're looking for the pinnacle of optical performance it's the razer hd uhd 8x42 yeah yep spotting scopes i don't use enough i'd use anything in our lineup i mean honestly it's hard to say because i just don't use them enough but binoculars i just love the diamondbacks man they're so the glock of binoculars it's the glocka binoculars the old i mean like you get a diamondback if you want to give it as a gift to somebody they're never going to be displeased with a diamondback no matter like what level of you know experience they have with optics they're great to use i love the diamondbacks so i'll say that obviously if i were to say the best one in our lineup i'd say the razer hbd just like ryan said rifle scopes i don't know that one's hard to say i i was actually trying to think through that and it was hard for me to pick but maybe that's strike eagle five to uh five to twenty five i think that's a really cool scope and you can just use it for anything you could hunt with it you could shoot prs with it you'd stick it on a 22 and you wouldn't feel like you totally out overscoped 22. um you could do you can do anything so i dig that scope it's a good skill i like that um who's the best shot with magnum rifles ryan mark boardman mark boardman oh i don't know about that mark mark gordon ryan you are an excellent shot martin boardman mark boardman it's dad out of his rifle a minute mark goes up to the table four tenths i told you i messed with it the other day though um it's a fluke so jim these are uh so uh these are directed towards you from uh joey kubota hmm kubota damn it the power support damn it bring back jimmy cooking in the toaster oven facts yeah followed by uh uh same same guy uh tortilla chip reviews were awesome he was paying attention to your chip reviews joey can't join kubota do i know joey kubota those are good reviews not many people are aware of that that was a uh it was the chip reviews that was kind of a shorter stint that i had there um i'm glad you enjoyed them joey uh i didn't they didn't get a whole lot of traction i will say instagram's been a little bit funny lately you know they really like the reels you know they're pumping those more so your stories those those haven't been doing as well these are all things that you know you hear behind the scenes from the social media team which i'm not on anymore um now that i'm running all the edge stuff so now i'm kind of a little bit out of the instagram game i haven't even had instagram on my phone for a while admittedly um so slightly enjoying that lifestyle however i have heard of some people requesting the the pizza oven come back that one uh if you if you stuck with it from the very beginning of time it happened for oh i don't know probably started seven years ago um and uh honestly the ideas just kept getting so crazy um that i just kind of kind of ran out of ideas there was other stuff i'm sure i could have stuck in a pizza oven but i kind of it just started to run out of ideas they started getting ridiculous like these things were taking like hour an hour and a half at a time it was hard to put things in the oven or fit things in there cast iron started getting involved it was pretty intense um so it's just i don't know it escalated one day one day i feel like maybe it could just come back naturally what it once was when it very first started which was literally and i'm not kidding the first time ever we posted anything about a pizza oven on the instagram story it was just heating up a hot dog and it fell in line fell behind the rack it was an old school pizza style and it fell behind the rack because they just rolled right off we need to repost the og pizza there's something i got them on like an old old iphone or something like that but anyway it'd be nice to go back to just the old wholesome real quick not crazy pizza oven uh stories those are great i gotta say man spam sushi see that was the pinnacle that really i should have stopped after that they just that was unbelievable spam uh musubi as they call it some of our pacific islander friends actually helped us help me figure out how to do it the right way i like the recipe and the cooking it was awesome legitimately good and then also tasted so much like regular sushi it's like why i still love regular sushi like i'm not gonna stop eating it but like it wasn't that far off at the same time if i would serve that at some five-star fancy sushi restaurant in a big metropolis of some sorts i'd probably be like oh yeah okay yeah that's what i expect to get yeah let's get another roll of those yeah uh chef please uh thank you joey josh bubb says he says show us sheamus the shamas the sh the shamas is more of an idea than anything else yeah he yeah that's what that's what the show is funny it's like haven't seen him myself yeah once i thought i saw him but then i thought maybe this is a dream and then i don't remember what happened from there best dream you ever had best dream we're gonna cap with the unless you had anything to add on that ryan no i mean i it's one of those things that can't be seen so it would kill it it's like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow everybody likes the allure of something they don't know anything about but once you know about it you ruin the allure exactly well said last one we're going to wrap it here okay before we wrap it we'll do like a little rap thing but why uh joshua oh boy john joshua adams damn screwing up hey i'm gonna start trying like i want to give credit joshua i think or eller uh and this is a good question why isn't ryan m a main co-host yet and i'll i'll answer that question i'll answer that uh because we because then he wouldn't sit across from us and that would be weird then there'd be three people on this side of the table and then also jim who would we talk to it would be just a conversation amongst ourselves which we've kind of been having right by now also probably a lot of people have tuned out of and if you've done that good call i don't know yes that's why he's on this episode exactly it's just that he's always across the table he's just yeah we just need to balance out the table a little bit it's more about balance ryan ryan ryan was a gift that we stumbled upon we started the podcast mark you and i were on it from the start yes and then we were like let's interview this guy i mean honestly it's kind of his whole i mean people have been wondering his performance review has been looking a little bit shaky so let's try and see if we can give him at least one more shot to do something worthwhile here we put him on the podcast everybody loved it and uh you know so he's definitely carved out his place here it's just that you know we have seniority [Laughter] who would we ask questions to i don't know just yeah it has been one great adventure it's very interesting it's changed the way that i consume media and information so now you know the podcast is i do and i listen to them daily about all number things oh man and you're part of one a big part of one great honor everybody's favorite part look at the questions they're all for ryan what everybody loves ryan that's unbelievable what a phenomenal way we can engage we had a gentleman from south africa on there isn't that unbelievable and i thank you i mean genuinely thank you to all these people who wrote in this is i mean thank you like this is awesome a lot of these questions are like you know the bucket list questions and things like this and and i realized that like i won't be able to get to do all these things in whatever time i have um but i get to live vicariously through a lot of our friends and customers because we get like pictures of of people hunting you know the eastern cape or i had a gentleman who was hunting in cameroon okay send me a picture and um guys and gals in australia new zealand and all these cool places and it's so neat that that we get to communicate with people across the world and like it's one thing to say that like oh yeah you know we get to talk to people we really do we get to engage with them on a very regular basis and it doesn't cost us a crazy international phone call in order to do this i think it's just awesome yeah well it's on stuff that like they're most passionate about right it's not like um i mean i guess sometimes it could be like hey my widget you know xyz right yeah yeah but also like it's still related to you know things that you're just like stoked about doing in your spare time and that's pretty cool yeah we don't have to talk to people on the phone about their power bill right and i'm really glad about it oh yeah yeah yeah i think it's neat and i'm going to get off track it was like regardless of where you are in the world as a as a hunter and enthusiast about what what it is that we talk about on this podcast even if we didn't speak the same language and we could like depict what we were talking about in the sand around a fire we would all still get it yeah and i think that's just the coolest thing yeah that's super neat one last thing what do you got jim we just got an address mark are we fighting no we're not fighting good [Music] at all mark we've uh just i i did also want this episode to address that one for anybody who's watching mark and i have worked together for 14 years it's hard to believe i know and you learn a lot about somebody in 14 years also us and ryan for eight years you learned a lot about somebody in eight years i feel like you've been here a lot longer than eight years i should have gotten dozens september i still remember the first time i ever met ryan i actually walked up and i said hey are you ryan and he goes oh one second whatever he was doing on the phone whatever he was doing on the phone was so much probably helping one of those customers right so that's my first memory of ryan muckingham is telling me to buzz off [Music] but anyway we learned a lot about each other in all that time we've become very close we got to work with each other i literally spend more time with you guys than i do my own wife this is true um you know if you can imagine your relationship with your significant other if you are married then you can imagine the type of relationship that we have in terms of just friends not you know anyway we went into that earlier and the friends relationship thing but that's why we get into these little uh you know spats from time to time doesn't mean anything it doesn't in fact sometimes you say like you know i'll be doing something and you're like god you're just like kim sandra yeah i don't know if that's i mean maybe it's a compliment you're already married version of my wife i just can't get away from that personality type apparently you're here at work on to it like a moth to a flame apparently you said earlier i don't know i love the taste of fire [Laughter] [Music] i like my fire straight um awesome well thank you for listening everybody thank you for asking questions we actually have a lot of things here that aren't highlighted that were like maybe less so questions but also like really good podcast topics so thank you for what is likely going to be a lot of um future topics yeah and uh yeah appreciate it appreciate everybody out there appreciate you guys i don't know maybe people learned some some insight into us as uh you know regular human beings uh taco bell i love taco bell and gas station hot dogs oh man i don't know why that's surprising you so much of all the things we talked about taco bell is the one that's gonna throw you off yes it's amazing yeah it's good ryan you're wrong seriously thanks everybody ryan's wrong as usual he's really wrong he's wrong about this we'll catch you on the next one see you bye bye there you have it folks thank you very much for listening as usual give this video a like if you liked it comment something below and give us a subscribe to the vortex nation podcast channel it would mean a lot to us also why don't you give us a follow over on instagram while you're at it at vortex nation podcast we'd love to hear from you over there and we'll keep you updated with all kinds of cool photos and videos from our adventures that we do here otherwise we will see you on the next one thank you again happy hunting and shooting everybody have a good one

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Length: 99min 24sec (5964 seconds)

Published: Mon Aug 08 2022