EP-151 | The Rise of 'Singham' K Annamalai: A 'Game Changer' for BJP in Tamil Nadu

Tamil politics for a long time it is a politics that was based on vulgarity especially the DMK politics kingar Kari for whatever we speak about him he walked he traveled he slept in the in the roadside areas he traveled he took money one PESA 10 PESA one rupe 2 rupe that's how the 1949 to 1967 the growth happened UD Stalin comes CA actor Golden Spoon comes in the Ivory Tower you speak the same language I'm going to anate Sarma that is why you see the Revol anybody in Indian itic should learn from Aaj how to do politics when is on the back foot when the corruption is coming on him he doesn't want people to talk corruption about him he will shift it to sanatana Dharma that I will not wear a skull cap neither will I tell my Muslim friends to wear a VII because if I wear that skull cap for that one 10 microc seconds because I have to come in photo to say that oh you are my friends I don't want to be that kind of politician and saying that oh mod doesn't we a skull means Modi is anti-muslim that is should be the biggest joke of 21st century when somebody says I'm going to cut pm to pieces do you want me to answer rationally Madam oh no no sir you can't cut pm to Pieces he has got SPG security he has got four layer security you are such some small man in Tamil Nadu you are you don't even belong to the uh dirt that is in modiji's nail so please move away I have to reply in a certain way where they have to make sure next time the same language should not come in their mouth M Tamil NAD when the political change has to happen you have to defeat the ecosystem the candidates are mere tools of an ecosystem and katur is one such seat where the ecosystem is at play 2019 was not a great year because the message was mixed and our language and our alliance Partners language were very different modii is an opening batsman he has hit sixes and fours and he has given you 200 runs he has gone and again he'll come back but 150 is you have to score how many seats do you see mam if you want to give me ask me a number I would say double digit very honestly why is that your party members always make fun when Rahul Gandhi goes to the temple you cannot become an Amar abbar anony just before elections and people read through you you become an Amar in one state abbar in one state Anthony in one state depending on which state has got a character Namaste Jay hind welcome to another edition of the Ani podcast with Smitha prakash thank you for liking and subscribing to the channel and sharing the conversations with people who you think will benefit from listening or watching these conversations my guest today is no stranger to the Ani podcast he featured in episode 35 in January 2023 anamalai kupu Swami is now contesting the loksabha elections from kator anamalai former civil servant turned politician is the youngest person to become the bjp's president in the Tamil Nadu State unit the state sends 39 members of parliament and for decades now the MPS are from AIA DMK or DMK with the Congress and Communists having marginal presence polling for 39 loksabha seats will be held in the first phase on April 19th the BJP did not win a single seat from Tamil Nadu in the 2019 Loa elections but now it's anamalai all the way around who's drawing attention so let's see what's in store for Anam Malai and the DMK congratulations anamalai sir thank you for coming to the podcast now uh between last time that you were here and uh this time there is so much difference in your career path the uh the Patra has uh happened uh and now the battle for kovai so it's going to be like dvan parties all out making it a Prestige battle anamalai has to be defeated at any cost how do you see this battle thank you madam the room hasn't changed you haven't changed Ana hasn't changed it is still the same excellent organization thank you for giving me one more opportunity to come here uh very happy to be here uh Madam um firstly I should thank the party um uh for nominating me as a kakara from katur of course katur has become a very important battle now and I'm seeing the social media from yesterday all sorts of people have jumped in now uh they say that defeating Anam is uh is is the single biggest joy for them on June 4th but for me I go into into this seat with all humility Madam this is a very important seat and one of our country's growth engine seat and I go with all humility and I just have to be an ambassador for Modi G and represent the people there properly so I'm not bothered by all the noise that is made neither am I going to be very aggressive people can make all sorts of comments but I'm very clear the people of katur are very rational uh they very logical they look very long-term and India's first Finance Minister came from katur and it's long history so noises be noises Madam but I'm very confident that this time BJP will deliver not only in kadur and Tamil Nadu as well noise you say because that is typical of Tamil Nadu politics lot of noise lot of color lot of everything is bigger than uh you know normal like what you see in other states no Tamil Nadu is like into two always maybe into three four I'll keep it m you are being very kind to us so generally the drama the stage the movie culture larer Than Life personalities money power muscle power so tamad is always like that uh the scene is always Grand at the same time uh the politics is always people do with humility also there is also another end but unfortunately because of the noise this set of people get drowned but I believe 2024 is a very open field more than any other elections in Tamil NAD 2024 I'm sure the rest of India will get to see the humble and people who are working in the grass roads not bothered by the a of money power muscle power I hope this election should portray a different side of Tamil Nadu politics to the rest of the country Madam well you are saying that uh it is you know the humility and being humble all that is coming the accusation against your party is that uh I'm not saying just Tamil Nadu I'm saying nationally the accusation everywhere is that it is uh it's become very arrogant because of being in power for 10 years that humility which was part of you know a natural opposition party which BJP used to be like you know being out of power which was the humility comes from being out of power but now you know being in power for two terms there is an arrogance uh in your party do you agree with that there is gener a mistaken assumption between confidence and aggression and BJP of course is a confident party and uh still maintains its roots it is not going to change from the ethos of what the party is and Modi G has changed a bit from being a pracharak to a chief minister to a prime minister now is still the same person maybe I think uh a World's leader uh but is so so so so down to the soil so opposition parties want to mistake a confidence as an aggression or as or as a party that is going Beyond from where it came from I feel very sorry for them and BJP still the same uh and uh the opposition parties instead of looking at their own performance looking at their setting their own house in order they just want to attach this big labels to BJP again 2024 elections will teach them a lesson Madam so now that you bring Mr Modi and about pracharak I have to show you this video uh which uh of Mr Modi and you which became so viral so like what was happening out here you tell me what he was patting you on the back and then he held your hand and and it was like b b he says like I can lip syn he said b b out here right this was one thing which went like viral uh so what happened there tell tell me what happened in this video this is the culmination of our yatra makal the last constituency and the event was happening in padam and prime minister was kind enough to come to attend the last concluding session of our yatra I think it was a massive massive uh Gathering of people um huge number uh the passion sheer passion and energy was so high I haven't seen that in Tamil Nadu for a long time Madam Modi knows Tamil Nadu uh as a prar he has stayed in Tamil Nadu UHA yatra he led from Tamil Nadu and he has also visited Tamil at different points of time uh so Modi is also seeing this so I think the Pat is not on my back Madam it is for all the kakas out there so a lot of people have toil so he was just saying that uh you put a lot of hard work the cat put a lot of hard work he was very happy so I was clarifying this somewhere also that U it is his way of showing his support to all the Kari katas through me and M like he always keeps setting the bar maybe the next video If you see yeah see this see this video okay he's saying something H and you're saying yes yes and then you put your hand out there so you know most people were saying uh that's something secretive and then I said okay this my first reaction was this is anamalai G's training as IPS officer he's closed his lips so that no media can find out what he's seeing no lip reading this is your IPS training that is happening out here so while we could figure out that Modi G is saying B in the earlier video what Anala is saying nobody knows in this Madam uh I don't know it's a great privilege uh to sit with Modi G and to just pick up that Nuance has Fine points and uh it's so amazing sits in the stage looks at people and the kind of reading he does um just looks at people he knows exactly what is happening energy from where they have come woman children and I am really Amazed by his eyesight and many times he he finds out somebody in the crowd he will ask a small child a Playard something that is kept uh even we can't just read what is happening he will read he will say what is it so Modi is very mind is always there it is just there it is there in the crowd it is there in that area and he will keep pointing observing why somebody standing for example that video is all about uh at the back there is no covering and the hoton is water being provided to them and uh looks like there is a holding area is there enough entrances that is kept for people to walk in so he'll be so amazed a prime minister coming sitting and immediately his I scans everything sees whether everything is in order people are comfortable and uh this was more about whether people are given water there the shade is not there and looks like there is some hold up so I don't know Madam it comes only with Modi is Modi there's no comparison I don't know Madam okay in kator he's been uh to kator before it's and for BJP uh kator is in a very important place I mean uh with you know what happened with the blast the serial blast uh for them it has been very important but now uh you know it's um what um uh when we are looking at your constituency DMK did not give the seat to the alliance they have kept it with themselves so are you going how are you going to work out what is your alliance has it fallen into place the alliances that Allan is fallen into place mam all 39 seats we have declared yesterday in the sense which is going to what party BJP has declared the first list of candidates next will come soon and uh we are ready we are going to the battle absolutely ready now now now DMK played a very interesting game so they knew that uh BJP is going to come hard so they replaced communist candidate with themselves because communist never leave katur for a long time katur has got communist mlas for a long time it is decades yeah for the very first time DMK has taken that seat back because DMK believes by sheer muscle power and money power they can take that seat away from anybody who wants there yeah so I had this uh uh the data in case uh so it's BJP what was uh the katur seat seven times uh the left has won Congress five times DMK twice BJP twice and Aid DM once in the uh elections in the past ever since uh in that so but it's uh BJP has been second placed three times 2019 2014 20 2004 these uh things so yeah you were saying sorry U like seven last many times is communist continuously 2019 2014 is communist continuously a communist state except 2014 when admk won a three-way fight and uh this time DMK is brutally confident of its money they're coming to the battle only with money power and uh we have to understand madam there are some seats in kator which are marker seats in the sense when we defeat somebody there we are not defeating a candidate we are defeating an ecosystem and the whole ecosystem is at you in Tamil Nadu when the political change has to happen you have to defeat the ecosystem the candidates are mere tools of an ecosystem and katur is one such seat where the ecosystem is at play and they'll completely come the Communist ecosystem is there um the DMK ecosystem is there and taken you so long not to build an ecosystem of your own it is there Madam 98 99 if you see it's a BJP seat then katur is also very complex it in a way in a three-way battle it can goes any which ways um because you every party is strong there every party has got a certain assured vot base so this time we are very confident that we will go one up for the simple reason our development has reached last 10 years uh be the industry be it the beneficiaries of kator and modi's visit being The Road Show recently that happened in massive massive Road show uh very emotional outpouring by the people who came there so this time we are very confident that we should deliver it so this uh Road shows that Prime Minister Modi has now if I was to play The Devil's Advocate he had these even in Bengal and huge crowds came even for him there somehow I I and you know Rahul Gandhi had his nay yatra and before that bhat joro yatra crowds were there there too but with bhat jodo the crowds came but they didn't vote for Rahul Gandhi so somehow you know Indians just I think the crowds come but vote you can never be certain there are many other factors that come into play isn't it ma'am I'm not denying that but we have to understand when when Modi comes as an opening battle when he scores runs just play cricket analogy IPL is starting today when he gives you 200 runs in 30 hours or 27 hours then the rest is you have to manage when you have to reach 350 all is asking you is you manage 150 on your own so that is the election management meeting people make sure people come out and vote make sure a narrative is right make sure our booth at the ground level is strong enough to meet all the voters who vote for BJP bring them so it's everywhere it is like mod delivers he opens he gives you a a sound boat to stand and fight so katur is one such thing Tamil Nadu is one such thing the rest is election management and States like up and madya Pradesh with multiple winning elections a CER is build leaders are build for them management is like a second skin and for parties like BJP in Tamil Nadu we are just learning and the leaders are coming in they are they getting exposed and we are also becoming smarter uh getting adapted learning from our mistakes so that's how I would say Madam everywhere Modi gives you that opening push and be Bengal be Tamil Nado but this time I'm confident that we have done our hard work over the last many years to build a strong team to capitalize modi's Karishma Vision energy and translate the second part is more challenging that's the challenge mam when uh you did the Patra you had 200 days 234 constituencies uh what were people coming and telling you uh in that did you feel between last year and this year in your interaction with people did you see any change was it because firstly now everybody knows who you are uh you've you've traveled the length and breadth of the state did you feel any change what did people come and tell you I felt a lot of change one um people came with a lot of what to say Madam demand in the sense that only to family people they demand for an outside of politician they don't demand you do this why it is not happening uh why you should do it so more like a demand which I felt very happy so not from a request or not from an expectation they went into the demand stage I'm expecting you to do it you should fix it or your party should fix it that we felt is a big change because they they accepted us as one of their own so this shift is more important unless they accept you in politics Madam they will see you as like from agent and manager relationship so it is more about accepting you as one of one of them second Madam this maybe this is the parties Patra is a unique yatra because it is not a straight line yatra meaning that you start from point A and then you walk in the road you reach point B this is more all 234 you go stay for a night in in 234 predominantly we must have stayed in in 113 constituencies 113 different places and people see only the yatra but we don't do three four things apart from yatra on the same day uh we meet a farmer we go to a beneficiary's house maybe have a food talk with them then meet the local groups it could be a self-help group it could be an NGO it could be an auto driver Union it could be a business Trade union group or it could be a professional group sit with them 150 200 people one two hours you talk so what it happens Madam it Roots the party to the ground your party gets rooted and more importantly wherever we go the new people join or the old people the previous SCS get energized so now this yatra we took us an opportunity to introduce all our leaders to that public so we want to give confidence to our leaders look there is so much crowd coming in for us and you just have to be confident of yourself so multiple things the yatra achieved so if you have to put it in one line that they accepted us as one of their own that is very important and this yatra has made it happy so I think the what you're saying is that the Curiosity over you and your party is over now it is uh you see because there is something called muscle memory also when you go to uh cast your vote uh for so long the muscle memory has been DMK admk right now to change that it is not enough to to find out about the party you need to know about the party so has it moved from Cur curiosity stage to the demand stage and you're confident enough that it can break the muscle memory you're right Madam one um now now BJP is not a party that is not to be treated well in Tamil Nadu so that is gone that that we have we have we have crossed it long time back now stage number two accepting BJP is one among their one uh stage number three is evaluation oh BJP is here DMK is here admk is here let me evaluate so this election is more evaluation next 28 days with a Hest open mind they're going to evaluate three part because when the evaluation stage is not there you are only in the stage two just consideration in the voting stage you are not there so this time is so important because our candidates matter our Manifesto matters our narratives matter M because we have come to the evaluation stage now so the very first time they do a sense of balance where is BJP where is them where is the oh Modi is there so Modi is great but still through this candidate can I can I can I get what I wanted for my constituency so all those things happen that is why I keep telling our people look Modi is an opening B he has hit sixes and fours and he has given you 200 runs he has gone and again he'll come back but 150 is you have to score and with all your hard work we cannot just say oh Modi has come and everything is happening well he has done his work now in the evaluation stage we have to do our work that's how I will put this election so if you're doing your work how many seats do you see Madam if you want to give me ask me a number I would say double digit very honestly okay and uh because BJP for the very first time we are contesting in 19 on our own uh four Alliance parties in our symbol meaning 23 in Lotus and uh 16 Alliance Partners in their own symbol they contesting three-way fight is an interesting three-way fight you might ask me why 10 when when there is a strong third party in a three-way fight that is how the party grows in a two-way fight it is impossible for a third party to come in and make a mark in a three-way fight we believe that we have votes of our own maybe if 15% vot 10 years back uh maybe 20% V couple of couple of years back now now the 10 20% the ious the neutrals people who are watching and they are shifting to BJP so I'm very confident a three-way fight I can confidently predict this number in a two-way fight I I might not be this confident even within an alliance you know U uh last year since last year you've been saying that BJP needs to have a Footprints footprint of its own we can't keep riding on a regional party's thing re yes have an alliance but we can't keep riding on their uh thing we need to have our own uh our own footprint in the state you've been saying this for you said this in the podcast last time also but tell me now uh is that that dream uh is getting fulfilled in the sense like one saw it in utar Pradesh right that it was either bsp or SP somewhere BJP carved a niche of its own moved is that the model that you have for Tamil Nadu yes Madam now what is a brand identity every party what is a brand identity Tamil Nadu when people should differentiate you ask Common Man and what is DMK three things in his mind her mind maybe a sister or mother what is admk three things in his our mind BJP three things in their mind so unless you don't give them the option of having three things for BJP what will BJP do immediately they say oh BJP comes they'll remove alcohol shops when BJP comes they'll treat Temple goers with respect when BJP comes no corruption this three things if it goes don't doesn't go to the top of the Mind recall there is no way like you said in the muscle memory BJP is there in the voting so all the hard work is to say Tamil Nadu BJP stands for this this this and this they have to remember one then in the evaluation stage where we are now they'll say DMK comes I'll get this admk comes I'll get this BJP comes I'll get this for that it is very important you got to stand away from all of them and say look this is me and you should give people a Hest reason to vote for you madam and people will vote for you and they see a honest reason so the three things that the DMK will say is about the BJP uh which see how to beat the bjp's Fear Factor I've seen in many election campaigns Regional parties use Fear Factor what I see happening is the three things which you if I was to just pick three things that uh they will change the Constitution there uh and there will be Hindi imposition I'm just randomly picking yeah Hindi imposition uh uh change the Constitution north south divide your identity is finished I'm very happy Madam that uh this is what I was telling that BJP should have a similar band recall to counter this let's imagine you are with a big Alliance partner you're traveling with them so where is the niche for you to counter this when when your alliance partner for the last 10 years also says I don't want three language I want two language only when your alliance partner also tells I don't want new education policy when your alliance partner also tells South is not being taken care properly we are getting less share of Taxation and you are with that Alliance partner so it is a mixed Mees you delivered 2019 was not a great year because the message was mixed and our language and our alliance party language were very different and when prime minister 2020 201920 says please learn three languages third language is optional you pick anything you want when Tamil has got so much linguistic speaking pity K predominantly malayalis of course tamils but among the non- Tamil speaking predominantly malayalis you go to Chennai predominantly Telugu speaking population go to krishnagar is Canada speaking population so there is a there is a huge people who are there but but when you on Alliance you you don't have the niche to communicate what you want so so the only option is we have become aggressive in the last two years to communicate okay not South party who's Anam who's this guy who's the other party guy who's your District president north south what has happened when Modi is coming senol is there so much honor is given Modi G himself is coming talking about Tamil Tamil pride is it North South no no 28% 28 P only we getting what about 72 P again with data you present what is this new education policy again you present so now for the very first time the countering is happening till now the countering was not I'm I'm people tried their best but when with the bigger Shadow with the smaller Shadow whatever you speak people don't listen to you the bigger Shadow they will listen that's how that's how I would say mam the second one every election for every party there is a positive effect there is a negative effect of course the positive effect is what I said BJP comes this this this for the opposition to say when BJP comes this this say it is also you have to counter that parall so we are very confident we have counted that the Patra was an example where you meet millions of people you speak this in the public forum you put it on you bear it out you put everything there your heart and soul you say look everywhere you speak not only one speech multiple speeches in a constituency and you give an opportunity for people to come and see you closely and people should not see this is bad people sit in Chennai and big leader many leaders people should come see in the soil to see what is this party oh they are also like me they're also normal people because admk and DMK specifically DMK they grew in a very different stale Madam kingar Kari for whatever we speak about him he walked he traveled he slipped in the in the roadside areas he traveled he took money one PESA 10 PESA one rupe 2 rupe that's how the 1949 to 1967 the growth happened they went to all Villages they lived very simply and that's how the initial admk Founders also lived so what happens the first impression is the best impression they have seen them ideology could be bad what they spoke could be debatable could be argumentative that is different Madam but they were Suns of the soil completely rooted even Mr per when we don't agree with many things he says but people f perar is living the way he wants to speak I am I am a harsh critic of perar in many ways now suddenly UD Stalin comes and speaks the same language people say no no no no no no your father your grandfather lived up with me so whatever he spoke right or wrong I listened the initial perar lived with us whatever right or wrong I'm listening to them so their growth phase is completely different now the chance we see is the third generation fourth generation live Ivory Tower and you speak their language so that is where BJP has to go to the ground now you to counter it we can't sit in AC rooms you have to be in the ground in fact in fact after the election the party we very clear the face to enra that is that is going to be very different that is our plan just stay in the village don't come out so you think that uh the same uh thing which perar spoke or which karuna nidi spoke about sanatan DH is being spoken by udidi or by uh Stalin himself and it was acceptable when perar spoke it and when karuna nidi spoke it but not acceptable when they spoke it but the message is the same no madam what I'm trying to convey is when per must have spoken 100 things 100 things cost inequality social discrimination Temple entry blah blah blah 100 things in that 30 things could be downright historical downright historical pit jawahar neru G he wrote a letter to kamaraja Chief Minister he called PRI as a lunatic yes lunatic downright historical comments a prime minister has to write to his own chief minister from the same party saying that put him in a lunatic so that kind of obnoxious things were spoken but still people did not Revolt now your counter question should be is why Tamil people did not Revolt they should have revolted in 1950 or 55 or 60 because normally when somebody is in the ground being with people they speak some things which we don't accept you forgive and move on it is not that you accept what they speak but you look at other positive things you stand with them that is how the Grassroots leaders are treated very very differently because even two three comments are obnoxious to you still you forgive and move on it's okay you will not speak the same language of peria Tamil Nadu never spoke the a common Tamil person never spoke the language of Mr perar he never went to a street and said oh bring Rama I'm going to Chapel Rama no that is a language that Dam spoke so the point I'm trying to communicate Madam since they were in the Grassroots and the ground in their early part of life what whatever historical comments they spoke it was ignored or forgiven or people felt I'm not going to react maybe I'm not interested I'll move on but I'm going to see the other things that's how they were able to gain a foot now UD Stalin comes Cinema actor Golden Spoon comes in the Ivory Tower you speak the same language I'm going to anate sad D that is why you see the Revolt why suddenly a common man speak anat d mad is there a Revolt 100% 100% you go more happening in rest of the country but in Tamil NAD not so much Madam let us not go by the media Madam now now media ecosystem is just 1% of the whole thing and the media ecosystem in Tamil Nadu we all know for a fact how it is very different from the rest of India because it is all controlled by a group that is trained by this so-called the ridian ecosystem specifically the DMK ecosystem they live as editors in many places but many people honestly inside the media they felt revolted but they can't go against the input or output editor who controls what should come but for a common man why did why did UD in apologize Madam it is not because the pressure that came from the rest of the country no it is the pressure that came from Tamil Nadu opposite India Alliance that said that don't say this no that is one but DMK is one party that will not listen to them if you look at the dmk's history Madam when they say something there is it is not in dmk's DNA to take it back not in dmk's DNA to take it back now they know that PE Common People murmuring common people talking they get feedback Veil yatra again I'm giving you an example 2021 BJP did a veil yatra then Tamil Nadu president m when Veil yra immediately Stalin said I am also taking a veil and they're gifting whale is a spear they're gifting it to him for one continuous month he was getting Veil as a gift from all DMK now what I'm trying to convey Madam now DMK has to is understood very clear cleverly in the last two months oh the politics have shifted it is not that what my grandfather spoke the same language I cannot spoke what Anna spoke I cannot speak the same language now this is one generation that is seeing this people as elitist it is not seeing this people people is on the ground that is why you see every day there is some somebody speaks bad about Madam Tamil politics for a long time it is a politics that was based on vulgarity especially the DMK politics if you look at their Old Stage speeches if somebody is playing a record now 6070s and 8 is oh my God it is so bad the caricature the characterization of woman is so bad it was accepted by the DMK crowd who come and sit there not by a common person they attack the DMK Crow they come they clap and go in Tamil we sayur for every person there should be one other person meaning a male a female a female a male for each husband one wife for each wife one husband that is our our Dharma but DMK went against the concept itself so everywhere they make fun of it joke about it and Kaling K himself sits in the stage when one of his wife is present he will make fun about the other person you have seen you can play videos I'm not making anything up but why suddenly there is a Revolt because now a new generation of audience a completely different people in the social media who watches no more the DMK audience so they come so the social media age the elitist image everything that is going to be the death nil so we just have to be patient the ground is changing we have to just read it properly and you cannot speak the same language of now what is this mam not South you I gave you 100 rupees you gave me 28 rupees that is the dmk's main plank now yeah number one Congress is picking up in Karnataka also the same thing that is the main plank but I can assure you in Tamil Nadu this is a plank they try tried in 1960s with anad G they tried with all the leaders they've thrown this Chapel out it's like a old chapel they thrown now again they're trying to we the old chapel old chapel will generally bite you now this thing people of Tamil know well it is 28 Rupees is not the GR in a that is given to your budget there you calculate what about people who get 6,000 in their account what about the gas subsidy that people get 300 400 rupees what about the mudra loans they get what about this you calculated that is why Finance Minister Madame Nala sitan on record says look this is the money this is the money that has come back this is the money this is the money on record you cannot just calculate the money by saying this is The Grand in Aid I got to my budgetary support and that is 28% so I'm going to make an Common People l no I getting 6,000 maybe that is not counted to you are 28% that is directly coming to me I am getting a subsidy I am also getting a 100 day employment wage which is 100% given by central government so this narrative is an important narrative that is coming now are you able to uh emphasize are you able to put your narratives strongly because for decades now uh the The Narrative by the regional parties of the four and now five states in in South India has been that V four now five are taking the burden of the the bimaru the uh the states which are backward we carry the burden we pay more taxes and now if delimitation happens we are the ones who are going to lose out because we don't have the population numbers we met our targets as far as population is concerned now these states which have over over populated backward in their uh economy they will take away all the benefits I'll take a little bit uh time to explain our and my point of view Madam Madam which is the number one state in in economy in India it is Maharashtra number two UPF just neck to neck up claims it is number two our state we claim we are number two but we know that up for a fact has come equal it's a matter of one two years or it's a matter of the next published scientific data Tamil NAD CM claims we are still number two up says we are number two B Bal harana Karnataka if you look at all the growth engines is it's spread everywhere there is a Maharashtra and the growth engine Bengal is decelerating but still it is holding on to some spot and Indian map anybody sees they know there is acceleration happening there is deceleration happening these are the only two arguments we can make with numbers hardcore numbers now we have to understand a state like Tamil Nadu it's a clear deceleration that is happening on all indicators now when they say I don't agree with the current Finance commission rules of devolution now they have to understand okay fine who created this formula country guard Independence Madame Inda Gandhi Gil was there early late 1960s it is the GGI formula which which came they have to understand 60% weightage was given to population 100% Devolution 60% weightage given to population then multiple Finance commissions when they came one after the other 60 became 50 even in 1990s it was 50% population weightage what is the population weightage now Madam it is 15% now who created the formula I am not blaming anybody a formula was created by a certain party in power at that point of time looking at prevailing conditions everybody accepted 60% weightage to population is 15% now so we have to understand we were at 60% once I'm not blaming it because we were needed to be at 60% so after this DMK was in power multiple times when when the when the population weightage was at 50% DMK was at multiple times power with them 10 years UPA 1 and two did they murmur or speak about one second saying no no no why are you giving population more weightage you should give population less weightage it is our government which balanced it out of course population is a criteria because every Indian citizen is your citizen when a Goods produces somewhere it comes to US state US state goods go somewhere you get apple from somewhere so we are not living in that ageold the Russian model where this is my Silo that is your Silo that will not work the second thing we have to understand Madam 60% to 15% is a shift that has happened over the years now when Congress came to power in 2004 the Devolution percentage was at 30.5% 30.5% the indirect taxation you were dividing to all states 10 years you were in power you made it only 32 30.5 they increased to 32 that is 1.5% increase when DMK was there in the alliance now our government Finance commission when we came from 32 we have made it 42 now they have to understand which party in Delhi ruling the country which party made it happen from 30.5 to 32 Congress 10 years 30 to 42% Devolution it is BJP for 10 years now we have to understand next Finance commission is constituted now the report is expected by 2526 now we have to understand this might still go up when the country is firing economy is growing when every money is coming 42 might again cross 50 I don't know Madam it is for the people but we have to understand it is on an upward trajectory where we started where Congress was where BJP is 30.5 to 32 32 to 42 my second argument if you look at the third most important argument mam now for the money to come back to a state for a money to come back to a state okay I given 100 rupees in an indirect calculation direct tax is something different in an indirect way for a money to come back to State Karnataka and Tamil Nadu politician especially Congress and DMK you cannot have a very crude calculation you cannot say okay I give you 100 rupees you gave me 28 rupees which is the budgetary grand support in my budget so I am going to calculate 28% that is not not because before Modi G there's no concept of direct transfer this logic and formula can work when there is no direct benefit transfer when DBT has come in when central government account directly I put 6,000 rup into a fat tamad we have 46 lakh Madam we let us calculate 46 lakh into 6,000 per year and we have given 30,000 to each farmer over the last many years they got 15 times of 2,000 each let us calculate that where is that money when a smart City gets 1,000 CR tamad has got m multiple City where is that so this is a new model where the center directly gives money you calculate that also so unfortunately this conversation is not happening you cannot calculate as a congress government DMK government to say the budgetary support is only my interest not about Modi G has built a tii airport 3,000 CR or or he has opened a new thing that where is it Madam or the gaki is investing so much in infra directly where is it or a v bat which is generating additional economy where is it or direct beneficiary transfers even 400 Rupee to a gas subsidy where is it so that is why we have released a white paper Madam we have released a white paper it is there in our website we have calculated everything together and we said it is 11 lakh CR 10 10 lakh 76,000 CR we did a very minute 13 page document is there a uh our BJP website that is there has the DMK refuted we have given a copy to Stalin G with due respect I said sir 13th page you have the biggest economic advisory councils you have Noble are sitting with you please give their paper to them let them go through everything find out one error this is our calculation what Tamil Nadu has got then please revert back to us to you know you keep uh bringing out these DMK files DMK file one because corruption is a big uh thing that you keep accusing the DMK of so there's DMK file 1 DMK File 2 DMK file three where thousands of crores of corruption you are saying where is the delay in action at the center you have your own government BJP government why is no action being taken you're seeing the Ed action on uh krial yesterday he's been taken into custody why is there no action against the DMK if so much of corruption is and you have proof of it Madam the DMK part three files I'm just coming one after the other Madam it's very important to us because the 2G verdict is going to come anytime uh last 5 days the arguments are getting over and CBA is presenting its side and anytime the verdict is expected so some big names are there kimuli rajaj big name now we have released a tape the part three is not about anything a part three of DMK files we have released a set of tapes to say how DMK has manipulated the whole process if anybody has listened to all our series of tapes ma'am each file is doing one one not necessarily every file is complaint complaint complaint the third f is an ecosystem look now India Alliance wants to come to power now people of Tamil Nadu before 2024 elections we are telling you if India aliance has got any aspiration to come to power this is how they were when 2G happened where Mr Balo directly met the CBA director the ride date was decided so Mr karan's personal secretary in the phone talks to Raja talks to Tamil NAD intelligence if they say no tomorrow ride would be a better day let CBI come tomorrow if they come tomorrow only the fishermen are fighting so we will mask that news and Fisherman's news gain prominence raid will not come there is one interesting tape where they say the raid should happen at this location because we have planted some document they can take that document only and there is also a tape which says how how should be the confession statement should be you confess like this so what happened even before the trial started they were so smart they manipulated the right they gave certain documents which should come in the trial they fixed up the whole process why 2G trial is taking so much time Madam where is the evidence they're only going with money trial the evidence is painstakingly buil later now this series of tapes TR Balu directly talking as Union Minister taking that may I have spoken to him I spoken to him I spoken to him Raja multiple talking to Tamil Nadu State intelligence chief chief Secretary of State talking to Tamil Nadu intelligence Chief secretary talking oh the T has said or leader has said or we'll do accordingly now we are showing the whole Administration is corrupted because there is no single leader there 39 MPS how will T Balo will treat manm sing G Madam he will tell man sing man sing I'll not listen to you I have 39 MPS why will I listen to you rajaj when manm sing writes a open letter to Raja first come first serve auction I am not accepting Raja says no no my leader told and in the conversation you see everywhere it is my leader my leader that keeps coming my leader is Mr karanti so this is what India Alliance wants to portray before the people of India no it is not going to be a government it is going to be a combination of people who want to loot so that is part three episode part two and part one or more very direct mam we have given six cases to dvsc Department of vigilance and anticorruption and I can't speak about the central agencies whenever we make a copy to dvsc it is also our duty to give a copy to the central government agencies now we believe as a citizen of our country and and as a tamilan that whatever action that is happening rights on jagat rights on this a lot of money that is ceased uh money laundering somebody is in jail now uh so all those things we believe a process has started and we are also initiating this process as Citizens because government and agencies of course you have a different relationship it is not being in a party it is not my duty to tell the government what to do but I can only do it via dvsc and six complaints are pending ma' the recent recent scam we have released recent scam it is this VY scam mam would you believe you're giving VES people are getting this VY doti in the do which has to be 100% cotton the weft you have you have two two two things Wy have two threads one thread one thread will be a pol to hold it one will be a cotton so what they have done is in this cotton they have replaced it with 88% poister there alone they have made 160 CR for the VY we tested in a lab we collected all the sample gave it to dvsc next day all four five good owns they have taken all the wases who are they giving the wases to to to a people of tamad Pongal the government will give free wasy more than two CR they give wasy and S it is that technical corruption so which we have given to tvsc next day all good owns they went and taking the wasy out we have recorded that also now Madam we have to understand we are doing our duty very meticulously religiously sometimes we expect actions to happen which you believe is happening what will happen if if you win and you come to the center who will do this work for you that is definitely not for me to decide I am a karta they told me contest contesting and tomorrow they tell me you do this I'm doing so I never demand or that is not in my DNA I'm a servant of this party and I always believe the party knows what it is doing because that is the trust we all have to have my cars have to believe in me un normally knows or the State president knows what they are doing but see 2026 is very crucial so if if you win and you come let's talk hypothetical if you win and you moved away from the state are the carders strong enough to carry on this fight against corruption mam again I will not get into what will happen post June 4th and I just hope and pray that uh it's an important fight we have started it's a principal fight and I keep telling that I am not a guy cut out for Delhi politics I keep telling this many times but right now they felt katur needs to be represented by a certain person by a certain kakara because katur is accelerating the industry is not progressing communist MP who doesn't want development katur airport we need to build katur six Lan highways we need to build we got to remake katur as a growth engine maybe that could be the vision of prime minister I don't know Madam when uh uh when you were talking just now you mentioned Raja what was suddenly why is he started making these kind of very anti-satan comments he was very very interesting guy Madam so anybody in Indian politics should learn from aaji how to do politics when it's on the back foot when the corruption is coming on him he doesn't want people to talk corruption about him he will shift it to sanatana Dharma so that press people will go and say Ana you mentioned about s Dharma an said what is your reply so DMK is a master in manipulation they are Masters whenever issue comes they are Masters and diverting even the tape very beautifully they says the secretary to honorable chief minister then no no no do the raide tomorrow because the the Tamil fisherman are protesting against s Lankan Navy if you time the ride properly we would play in the media the fishermen you more and ride less so they are Masters Madam so rajaj anybody from not belonging to Tamil Nadu from outside they saying oh they know sonat Dharma is bad they know it is not giving them any dividends even in northern part of India even in Tamil NAD it is not going to give any dividends but why are they still speaking because they don't want people to speak 33 months what have you done Mr a Raja you are corrupt what about the St please give answer they don't want the narrative to go there so that is why they have started 28 p 28 rup because they Madam you see any government in power for 33 months how will you run an election I have done this for 33 months people vote for me Tamil Nadu has you seen any chief minister or the minister over the last 3 months coming to the public and saying I have done this in 33 months vote for me they will never say because they haven't done anything so people of Indian politicians should learn from Raja how to do politics how to manipulate the mind but this is uh something which I've seen in many South Indian uh politicians you know there's manipulating the media in fact in one thing you got irritated with with a person who asked a question because you said that you're looking at the phone and you're getting WhatsApp that also happens with you is it that reporter is getting from the editor uh WhatsApp and then ask the question he doesn't he doesn't listen to you madam the because the relationship between a politician and a journalist it is very important because Madam I have to listen to your question properly I have to give you an answer and your next question or something is based on my answer you want to counter it or maybe other point of view but what happens when you send a reporter with a purpose just to ask bombat just to say oh you have taken money from him ELR Bond blah blah blah when seven questions are like that and everybody now comes with an earpiece Now new thing is in the WhatsApp you are there people see the Life feed sitting in that room they say ask this ask this they ask this ask this I'm like sir you listen to me is your editor more important he sends questions to you because unless you listen to me because your question is already answered by me because your mind is mind is there because he doesn't want to listen to me because only the camera is car carrying the feet to the control room somebody there is watching so this has to go Madam because the sacred relationship is gone the relationship between a politician a journalist should be on ground it should not be in AC room what do you have to say to when Rahul Gandhi uh picked on a journalist recently and said that you are asking me this question but it's not you it's your your Malik your owner of your channel they are the ones uh who are manipulating you you are nobody and Malik and then how many people from this cast from the lower casts are there there as Maliks of media what do you have to say to that Madam okay the relationship between a journalist and and and and and a politician should be always in that room in that ground it is that beat guy who who is more responsible and answerable to me I am answerable to that beat guy because he's in that beat for me tough questions anything you ask as a beat guy I'm willing to answer anything I'm not going to insult you or nor are you going to insult me because it's a sacred relationship but Tamil Nadu it is completely editors who control it there people in the are very very normal humble simple people who get 8,000 rupees they come editors will say do this do that they have political connections Tamil because it is run by political Channel political parties now answering to ragul Gandhi this is a completely different argument because my argument because when you try to compare both arguments it's completely different argument now ragul Gandhi g one thing has to understand I think in some media conclave a reputed journalist was telling now you cannot expect media to do the role of an opposition which I completely believe I'm there media can ask tough questions as a media but media cannot play the role of an opposition party that is why political party is there because opposition party seats that space to media and expect media to do all the hard work it is not right mam so that is a very important distinction what media will do when there is 303 MP in the parliament when there is some MP in the parliament the coverage has to be proportionate naturally when you have governments in 18 states when you have governments in two states the coverage has to be proportionate when I look at at a media coverage in a control room I say oh 70% coverage here 30% coverage here that is the news you are generating a political party generates news multiple ways responsible opposition generates news government generates news now media cannot come and say you they cannot come and say to the media the political parties oh you're not giving me that big space my space is only 40% why why not 60% space normally the opposition should be given 65% space in the media whatever be the number Madam the ruling party should be given little space that's the general traditional Indian mindset but in with when it comes to anamalai at that time National media is giving you certainly more space than they are giving udidi stalon or even Stalin for that matter don't you see that I don't see that Madam I still believe National media in a way they are focused on National issues that is very important I represent a national party there and naturally maybe our views get more more more eyeballs because you are focused on National is it very personal your fight with uh the the karuna nidi family you called him Papu of Tamil Nadu you called udidi why do you say such you not M I'm not having any personal thing you should listen to the kind of names they give me every day the minister comes D Maran comes somebody comes ruling government ma'am the the law minister of Tam did you know what he said law minister of Tam Mr rag said when India Alliance comes to power in 2024 what he said when India Alliance comes to power in 2024 the first arrest in Tamil Nadu will be anamay and anamal will be sent to thar Jail who's saying this Madam the law minister of the state and one stupid Minister says Modi will be arrested see a sitting Minister he's saying one minister in the stage says for which an F is filed in Delhi I am a minister I'm keeping quiet else I will cut him to pieces this is the everyday language I have to fight now you should give me that courtesy to at least reply back saying that who are you that is a basic courtesy I need to reply back saying that who are you n I treat you like Papu I treat you like Pap only because that is the kind of immature statements you give how how can they expect me to give a counter logic when somebody says I'm going to cut pm to pieces do you want me to answer rationally Madam oh no no sir you can't cut pm to Pieces he has got SPG security he has got four layer security you are such some small man in Tamil Nadu you are you don't even belong to the uh dirt that is in Mod's nail so please move away people want me to answer very rationally oh have answer very rationally SPG three Tire security how can you cut mod to pieces I have to reply in a certain way where they have to make sure next time the same language should not come in their mouth Madam so is it going to become that aggressive in the next I am very clear Madam anybody who touches Modi I'm not going to spare my my loyalty is to this party my loyalty specially is to pm and I am not a guy who will take very kindly you attack me you call me names you insult me abuse me that's okay that is number one but you insult and abuse Modi you just track all my threee statements whatever it is Modi abuse me abuse to me or to to Tamil Nadu I am not going to keep quiet so we represent Modi here of course Modi is not going to speak Modi G has seen he is only growing with abuses so it that is my lakman Rea you abuse mod I'm going to hit back at you abuse me I'm okay with it no problem so this Firebrand if I may call you which is that people love to say this word uh that the Firebrand leaders of JP from South India there's Pratap simma C RI you uh tasv all of you you know very very uh aggressive when it comes to your brand of politics is it not there m I think everybody is unique in their own ways it wasn't there 5 years ago not at all aggressive Madam I am a very soft spoken guy do I look aggressive to you madam no I just get aggressive on some issues I am very clear my lakman Rea you don't touch Modi it's a red line you touch Modi I'm going to come after you and when you say it lies continuously and when the media ecosystem propagates it I'm going to come hard so this are my lakman Rea by Nature I'm a very soft guy Madam City reiji don't even compare so he's he's an extremely aggressive hinda brand icon yeah and Tas suya also you know he's a very young Dynamic very powerful ARA he's also very clear about his vision hinda carries in his heart very open about it doesn't hold back see like uh when I'm saying all this I'll even bring up shaj you know recently she said that you know that people from North India are coming raising slogans then she said people from Tamil Nadu are coming then it resulted in DMK saying this while PM is making this effort towards uh Tamil Nadu she says people from Tamil Nadu are coming into Karnataka causing now this Karnataka versus Tamil Nadu politics then it comes to cavari it'll come to everything between the two states why is it that when elections come it becomes so parochial it is so Karnataka it is so Tamil Nadu that they will fight with each other brother mam honestly speaking when uh when the comment was attributed to Madame Shak immediately called her I I I just called her I said Madam uh this comment is coming in the TV I'm watching it and what exactly did you say as party colleagues what exactly did you say Madam said no no I I didn't mean it uh if it has offended anybody I'm very sorry what I meant is the person who bombed the rameshwaram cafe got trained in krishnagiri Forest I meant it and I would like to apologize also because what happens emotional when you say something sometimes the word get misinterpreted so it is very kind of fair to immediately apologize to all tamilans to say I didn't say it I can only go by face value Madam I promptly called up Madam I said Madam I I just wanted to clarify with you what is happening and and and we don't understand Madam the senior leaders who sit in Union governments they have a bird sa vision of what is happening and sometimes the word gets misconstrued misconstructed immediately the apology that is that is the matter is closed there okay and I I believe I believe Madam gone are the days when you see the parochial attitude between Karnataka Tamil to say there is this red line you don't cross I don't cross that is a red line they keep drawing uh just explain this whole cavari river water issue is going to come up again because there is drought in many parts of Karnataka and DK shumar was on the podcast he said we are I'm not giving any water to Tamil Nadu what is this I mean since I began my career in in journalism since then this cavari River waterer issue is there why can't the two states sort it out what is your solution to it but a mother cavi never differentiated for even now she doesn't differentiate Tamil Nadu and Karnataka mother cavi just flows and everybody is same to her it just so happened in a geographical boundary mother Cav starts somewhere and ends somewhere and the politicians of both States they create recers for a long time now long history to it pre-independence agreement signed agreements not honored damps built without permission no there's a lot of acrimonious nature to it Karnataka being in the Upper riparian State Tamil Nadu being the Lower riparian State Karnataka wants to build a mead Dam we oppos it matter came to Delhi Parliament the minister has to clarify nobody can build a dam when the Lower aan State doesn't give permission now Madam we have to understand water in India is a perennial long-going conflict between states not only this Maharashtra Goa Maharashtra Karnataka Karnataka Goa Tamil Nadu Andra so if you see especially the South Indian states where Tamil NAD is one state Madam with due respect to our state we don't have enough water in our state that is very unfortunate no major rivers are originating in our state it just comes from Kerala Karnataka is predominantly the water flows inside and you see our agriculture is shrinking if you look at any data in Delta for example last year the Food Corporation of India lifted just one data I'm giving you just to tell you how Stark even for Tamil Nadu it is 8.25 lakh tons of food grains was lifted food grain meaning it is only rice P this year same one year back it is 5.25 lakh ton meaning three lakh ton we have lost because water is a problem water is not coming we have the scw SAG the is shrinking Delta area string Delta means the tanur tanur part tanjur part is the Delta area that is where the Cav after coming broadens after Kar then she goes and joins the SE now Tamil Nadu our demand is a very legitimate demand that dra a non-ra a there is a plan that was made in 2018 when mod constituted the Karnataka the cavi Water Management Authority for the very first time though the Judgment came in the UPA time in 20087 nobody wanted to touch this hot potato they felt oh if I constitute this Authority Kara will not vote for me and all those thing but Modi boldly in 2018 he came and constituted for the very first time after hundreds of years we have a formula to say dra year this is the formula excess year this is the formula compensation this is the formula that is calculated scientifically and there's no need for anybody to get emotional or fight Madam it is a scientific process where the Water Resources secretary sits Tamil Nadu government senior representative says Karnataka government sits the CM sits and they just have to go by that formula when you become very parochial to say maybe DK shumar G meatu his constituency his district Bangalore rural it has got a lot of symbolism where mother cavi goes he wants to make it a political issue and strengthen his base but I don't think the whole of Karnataka feels Mr DK shar's argument and this way DK shumar says I'm going to in the election Manifesto Mead Dam I will build then as deputy chief Minister not even one drop of cavi then siday speaking the same language then understand Madam if everybody starts speaking the same language of course you go to hosur border Madam in Tamil NAD you stand there for just half an hour you see thousands of vehicles going into Bangalore thousands of vehicles coming into Tamil NAD the fruits goes the vegetable goes the software guys goes people come so there C is one issue main issue of course but these are also can you put a stop to those people we have lot of Karnataka business kadaa businesses thriving in Tamil NAD hotels businesses in katur businesses in Chennai likewise we have lacks of our tamilans in Bangalore and it hubs people live there people comfortably live there but they have to understand a parochial political statement shouldn't V and I think it is not the old India where we were thriving on parochial statements and doing politics let us focus on other things fine dra yes you have a problem yes drinking water problem yes agree nobody's denying it Madam we all want drinking water sufficiently people should get so this these kind of statements which are coming is it just at the at the cre Crema crem just the top layer of politicians who are doing this just emotional U you know impact on the voters just before elections do you think that somebody was telling me this very anecdotal story Madam when we had this Krishna water dispute with Andra the then Tamil NAD chief minister without anything just walked into n ramar Raj's home for breakfast and when the breakfast was offered our chief minister said only if you promise water I will touch your idly and I am your guest you remember you cannot say no to me and the family member they said and finally Madam this is all interpersonal one to one Madam it is all politics at the top level politics at the local level is sometimes going beyond your parochial nature I'm giving you an example where it happened anecdotally we had Krishna water big issue now it is solved now big issue C is still an ongoing problem despite 2018 constituted BJP government time nothing happened water came no problem suddenly Congress and the manifesto they put it BJP Manifesto not there at meatu that suddenly they made it such a big issue when they said that Cal government will take care of both the states there is a Formula nobody will get affected now DK shakar wants to make it an election issue by blowing it up now what happens Madam Tamil Nadu politicians has to react politics is a reaction game when you don't react your base will say oh you're not reacting enough when he's saying don't build minimum you should say I'll go and Destroy Mead and one guy from Tamil Nadu will say I will go destroy Mead the other guy in Karnataka will say how dare you destroy Mead I'll come and destroy that so where is it going to end Madam so it is all interpersonal why can't both the chief ministers pick up a phone they are in India Alliance India why can't they pick up a phone our chief minister went to Bangalore for the indiai meeting for two days when he came back the Press asked him the question sir did you speak about Cav water unto him he said no no I didn't have time to speak about it we had many important political matters to discuss you should play that clip when Mr MK St Chennai airport say we have many political issues to discuss that is not important to us it is all an interpersonal thing India when India Alliance you are not able to solve it how are you going to solve country's problem mam I'm just making a honest request to the India Alliance when you when you pres are they going to come do you think that do you think in kbat Rahul Gandhi will come and campaign against you 100% Rahul Gandhi g will come to Tamil NAD I don't know where he's going to come mam now now my only question to them when you can't solve one State's water problem how are you solving India are going to solve India's problem 2G tape is one where you take agency under your control now this Cav water dispute is one you want to make parochial statements to ma'am politics is transcending that parochial statements because you know it is not going to give you instant dividends see the opposition says that there is no Level Playing Field for us the Congress is saying that they have Frozen our accounts uh the other accusation is that the governors are turning extremely political you have one Governor resigning and now uh going to fight the elections you said I will not comment right now because she's still the government now she's got the ticket comment now I'll comment yeah so she can uh she's contesting then there is allegation against the Tamil Nadu Governor he's not willing the Supreme Court has said what is this he's defying he's not allowing us to he's not allowing the oath to take place so what is what is happening why how is this a Level Playing Field explain these points to me now mam two three issues I think you got together it's important that I differentiate one one uh coming to the governors Madam um before that you're not touching the idley I can see that like anti Ram's house m i touch ID okay uh Madam now uh with respect to governance I think R and rij are honorable Governor is a very principal man no doubt um IPS background uh stayed in the field nagaland Naga peace conflict talks and everything um rule of law guy uh very very straightforward person it's a very different makeup not a very political Governor he's like a straightforward a governor who will follow the Constitutional Norms that is how most Governors are there now so this is a shift from the previous era of Congress era where you had this very honest assessment and my honest answer Madam as anom you had you had politics somebody there some cast you want to represent somebody give them a governor just go there be a rubust kind of guy so that model was nobody was making any commment so that model people thought is a good model oh Governor has to just keep quiet and governor should not speak that model is a good model the previous British Regent now from there we have come to the governor model now Regent if you see he was controlling manipulating stating that you don't have a son you cannot be at this thing we have seen all kinds of things now coming there to governor who don't even speak just rubber stamps now looking at Governors who speak their mind Vice Chancellor Tamil Nadu the governor says looks ugc n this that and everything soing in Kerala also car also so I don't think we should make a very harsh assessment to say since the governor is speaking now previously are not speaking so why are they speaking more previously they are not speaking doesn't mean they should not speak so I'm having a counter logic answer but it's not the question of speaking is he not allowing an oath of office no the second question second question the fundamental argument everybody say Governor is speaking more now the second the intricacy among the what he speaks one speak you are mentioning is Supreme Court p and everything mam uh Supreme Court is the highest law of the land everybody has to obey and we all have to obey and I I believe there was a bit of confusion in Tamil media in Tamil also whether the sentence was State whether the conviction was state or going to jail was state so I remember I also gave a press meet after the supreme court judgment because the order came two days later when it got uploaded I said looks like the sentence is St stayed so but still is an accused that is what we were mentioning when Supreme Court clarified yesterday that no we have stayed everything now I think it's a full stop it's a full stop mam so I don't want to go one step further to say since the honorable Supreme Court has said we have stayed everything matter is over now Governor's letter very clearly if anybody has got the opportunity to read the governor's letter to honorable CM he said the sentence is suspended that's how the government Governor said now it's clarified through the aony general and everybody that the conviction is also State and the matter is closed now Governor will act M because Supreme Court has clearly said the conviction is State and Tamil saajan now coming to Tamil s Rajan State president became a governor the heart is was always in politics not every Governor's heart was in politics for her she was very clear she wants to come back to politics and maybe she's 4 and a half years she stayed as a governor maybe she felt the time is did she consult with you did she talk to you about the decision before can you tell us that I really don't want to get into that Madam as a state president I my relationship with our our governers who are formerly my colleagues be it's CP radak Christan grb we have we have we had three Governor people from our I used to call sir and madam say today AKA till Governor Madam CP radakrishnan G sir he will shout at me why are you calling me sir I say you are honorable Governor I will call you sir Nation G I call a because for me as as a as a BJP guy that sense of differentiation I do you are Madam when I come it is official business I come as a courtesy talk official business to you I go out because I believe I I'm a police guy bureaucratic guy administrative guy I know how to behave with people I don't take any positions very lightly somebody since I know somebody they're sitting in Constitution position for me I don't even get into their personal space I maintain because somebody sees me a kakara will see how is unor behaving I can't go meet a governor say hello Anna how are you welcome so the kakata will say oh the governor post is not important it seems so for me mam personally that is why tamak thing when they asked I said look she is in government I will not comment that is a very honest thing now after resignation resignation got accepted she called Mei I'm coming I have to meet you I said please come Maka we'll have a discussion she came to the office we had a discussion and how to get back into the party taking a membership card again coming in so I am only part of the whole thing right after the nomin resignation was accepted see from from being a police officer to moving to becoming a politician it it requires a change in mindset so when she becomes from Governor to back to becoming politician can that mindset change quickly a lot of mindset has to change because four and a half years you are trained in a certain way now suddenly you come and immediately you got to get into the politician hat but but the sense of service is same in both the field the sense of service is same and Tameka comes from a very legendary political family win the field for 2025 years before getting into governorship for just a quick adaptation I don't see a problem Madam right but uh I want to come back to that period I know in the earlier podcast that I had with you I discussed your life uh in the Police Service there was one to this time when I was researching I found one thing that uh you know when you had written a letter uh saying that why you want to leave the Police Service you said that you had gone gone to Kash maner over and something happened I didn't speak to you about that so I just wanted to ask you what happened that time at Kash months are over slightly longer answer you should be with me please absolutely mam one day my personal assistant in Bangalore in chick Bangalore office where the SP told me sir there is this Kash manra the government people has to go as license officer would you be interested I just looked at the paper I saw look the the the date is over we can't apply for me no Kash no Manor no idea what it is that's how it started Madam then we didn't apply then one day the P told me sir since it is government of India sometimes enough people might not apply but still I applied for you I just have to sign it the form you sign it we'll send it went then me has to decide who are the LI officers initially ma said I I'm a sitting SP I have to take leave for 30 days it is impossible for a sitting SP where the government will give leave then they said that since we are looking at license officers you might have to wait because you are sitting SP of now so will they give you 30 days leave somebody who supposed to come in that batch he couldn't come suddenly they said there is a vacany will you come which is two days before then I went so Kash I felt is a calling to me Madam it's a calling it is not a logical thing where I planned applied interviewed they selected me as a license officer I went I then it made me thinking oh it's a calling see how the whole process happened it is because the higher power wants you to come to a certain place get inspired get spiritually more uh more open that's how I felt M Kash okay now you are license officer of a batch government of India representative you have 40 people 50 people recently I was I was reading about Narendra Modi G's journey in the Kash monor yatra which he took now the strong sense in kashra anybody going as a license officer is kind of 4050 people in a batch you have a richest Diamond Merchant of the country in the batch you have a person who is participating in the Kash yatra by begging money in temples because they say for Lord Shiva when you have to do a pilgrimage one form of SAA is to beg and come you don't put your money income you could be a rich guy but still still big sit outside a temple collect money arms using that you travel in a pilgrimage remove the last set of ego then go to kyash this this is a very fundamental Concept in our in our country bat where you shed your ego and go to Kash don't go to Kash because oh I will pray to Shiva Shiva is powerful they'll give me everything so I saw both people in the same group somebody who shed everything just normal our our batch got so delayed because of inclement brother a yatra which is supposed to be completed in 26 28 30 days which took 57 days longest yatra of one of the batches so many challenges 2017 18 this 2018 the last batch 2017 2017 201718 oh is 2018 I think then the next year the Visa got St because of coron uh the whole process was so inspiring day one you go as a police officer IPS officer you go there you want to control people and make sure everything is right and blah blah then day three you know your ego is also disappearing within you the sense of surrender is coming and there is a larger calling you are going and everybody and somebody has got a child back home issues somebody's father died during the yatra still he doesn't want to go and uh you you one satellite phone people have to talk you are struck in a village called G G the last border Village in utan food is getting limited Chinese visa getting problem again you come back staple the Visa go back so the whole idea of the yatra Madam it's transformative in one line it is completely transformative and especially when you do the parikrama when you go to Kash and do the parikrama my God like I don't know manam it's that small that small bit that taste you get about spirituality that one second you get where you forget who you are where you forget everything you just dissolve into the larger Cosmic thing that that that that micro second Madam it just that that micro second and you just dissolve that that is that is the blissfulness the Divine experience of kaas and everybody has to feel it maybe it happens during the paric when it is so harsh the second day is so brutal U and uh it's very transformative so the 57 days being there Madam it gave me a sense of purpose M what happens in my cycle I used to ride a I'm very fond of cycling in carala carala yes your hometown my hometown I ride 100 kilomet in cycle 100 kilomet bicycle 100 km up 100 km down so every day minimum 15 20 km I bicycle in Cara every single place I bicycle in chick Bangalore very favorite one in my in my bicycle frame I used to write something called never forget the beginner Spirit which I took it from Lance amstrong Lance amstrong cycle in 2D France he he wrote the sentence never forget your beginner Spirit but what happens Madam in our life because of this busyness because of being who we are the so-called status attached to our heads and our thing the beginner Spirit gets clouded with so many artificial things that we never knew when it came to us because we never have the time to think about the artificial things so the beginner Spirit what it is why did you do something why did you get into something that gets clouded 5 years seven years so Kash gave me a very clear Insight idea a penetrating a soul penetrating experience to say what is your beginner Spirit it is to serve of course you served in Kara you served in udipi you're serving in Chi Mangalore and are you feeling happy the more higher you go in Police Service I felt the more higher in Police Service I'm I'm becoming a protocol guy the trappings of trappings of power yes sir no sir and I am also becoming responsible and saying what I want you're becoming closer to CM Kumari G kept me very nicely I kept me in this area and he treated me very very gently and you're becoming you're becoming a person of slightly into that yesan territory you don't want to feel the CM should feel bad the DGP shouldn't feel bad your colleague should feel bad go that Anam the initial days of carala ASP go there do anything get that Justice for them instantly getting angry M with all due respect Madam getting instant problem solving so kaas told me this is not you okay you got to think are you happy with this this is how you want the next 30 years of life to go and with a due respect to all the great cops as IG and adgp and DGP the Fantastic cops we have who still maintain that beginner spirit with a due respect to them but somehow I felt I have to do something more that is in sync with my beginner Spirit which is always change I really did not know what to do because this thought keeps coming to me in 2015 16 17 occasionally as an instant as a spodic thing then I will nullify my that thought to say no no no no you can't do that keep quiet you gone pass that to do something different you are living a comfortable salaried life only do what is right and wrong so Kash gave me you have lost everything you are like a beggar now in front of me old clothes you are wearing for the third fourth straight day your beard is like this there's no concept of looking at the mirror and keeping your face good you are like a beggar now you you shedding everything in front of me now do what you want there's nothing to lose then I said okay I'm going to do this but I'm going to do this in this this window I'm not going to hurt my wife I'm going to convince her I had a small child I had to take everything into account my parents proper Villages proper Village I have to convince them why I'm doing this friends family so I took time to tell everybody this is what I want to do but every time they ask me what do you want to do I say I want to do something in the Grassroots I'm going to start something be patient with me it idea will come then the foundation happened so this part we couldn't speak last time yeah but it's a very penetrating soul ating life defining that 3 four microc seconds of ecstasy which you just feel in that I don't know mam how to describe it just have to be that to met many people who have been to kalash maner over they also say that that we can't put in words uh you have to experience it yourself to understand what it feels but let me come back to that uh that Armstrong cycle uh slogan if you win in katur how are you going to become beginner you're again going to get the trappings because again you will be if you come to the parliament uh in the uh if you in the cabinet of course Modi G will take you in the cabinet M no it's understood no you'll be vanquishing dragons and coming out here right vanquishing I'm not calling the DMK a dragon immediately comment section says say look at her she's calling them Dragon when I say vanquishing dragon I mean vanquishing people who are in power if you come to the center and you you win the election become a parliamentarian if you come to the cabinet again it will be the same thing does that Minister like me I am MOS does my Minister like me does Modi G's Modi G smiled at me today did he Pat my back did he all that will come again no I'm not that kind of person Madam and uh when Modi G Pats you for me it is not patting me it's patting my Kaka that's how my mind always is and uh have you have seen any change in me Madam you are seeing me for two years I'm still the same guy I just don't change and I believe power sometimes is a responsibility sometimes is a burden and uh a person has to navigate both many a Time power becomes a burden because you are not able to speak what you want you're not able to do what you want because you restrained in your language that's a burden but sometimes you see responsibility more than burden because you can do wonderful things what you're fighting for when that moment comes you can really change the pace of a civilization M this katur fight Tamil Nadu fight is not one guy winning an M it's a civilizational fight for me it's a civilizational fight that's a big word it's a civilizational fight it is not that one guy becoming MP some 10 MPS from Tamil Nadu do you think one MP from Tamil Nadu and 10 MP from Tamil Nadu is going to add to 400 and make a big difference to Indian politics no but even that MP is going to change the civilization Narrative of tamad when you're looking elections like that these are all small things Madam and Modi G and the party knows exactly our party is very clear Madam where to keep whom what is expected out of them what problem they should solve and where they should go in the next 5 years for as it is all problem solving and Tamil nad's problem is too big a problem to solve and Modi knows what best you know I'm going to come to some nities of politics from this larger discussion that we've had so far on the CAA uh issue you know um you did comment that uh Stalin doesn't know much about it because the chief minister said we will not let it Implement uh in this but uh you know there are people in the center who are saying this is all posturing which uh either uh the West Bengal chief minister said or Tamil Nadu chief minister said or anybody else is saying one the election is over uh CA will be implemented tell me one question which many people ask is why was Sri Lankan tamils why was why were they not included in this fast uh tracking of citizenship those who have come Madam uh I was giving some explanation somewhere also Madam now now with respect to refugees India follows this policy of uh a very unique policy because we are not a signat to the International Convention on refugees 1951 69 and we don't send them back we send them back when situation is right it is not that automatically Refugee comes in you grant citizenship and Sri Lanka right now is a secular country meaning that it is not a single Constitution not a single country of course people might make certain comments I'm not getting into that I'm talking of country per se is it is it a republic Islamic Republic or is it a single Republic is it this is it that and anybody who goes to Sri Lanka you will see there'll be a Singa there'll be a English there'll be a Tamil everywhere in Columbo to jaff everywhere yes of course the spirit is not being maintained that is always my complain because the 13th Amendment which came is not being in right Spirit ma'am the problems of Sri Lanka are something different so that should not be equated to the problems of Afghanistan and Pakistan and bangl because entirely different sets of problems it is still a constitution where a Tamil Min Tamil is sitting in San cabinet right now we have a Tamil guy uh in again Sri Lanka you have two different sets of Tamil people one is the Northeast tamils one is the Malaya tamils the mountain tamils so Northeast tamils also sit in cabinets the Malaya also said which mean they run governments they are part of the government the problems are getting sorted out so that we we should not in any way confuse the four countries together in one bunch to say things are same things are different Madam second now with respect to Sri Lankan people who came in they came in because of Civil War very gruesome very brutal right up to 2009 it went and many people have gone back many people are in camps and people are in camps for anybody who's outside tamad they oh camp it is locked they inside they will not go out everybody's out you passes you are just a camp person meaning you work in software companies in Chennai you study in some of the best schools you go there government takes care of you it is not that you lock them and say you don't go out it's not a detention Camp not a detention Camp it is just a camp the central government and the state government enables them to have a place of course they have driving license they have lot but citizenship also they go through the 11year process 14 year 11 year you should be in the country you get citizenship but in this religious persecuted Community it's a F tracking to 5 years 2014 December 31 you came 2019 cut off year 5 years I'm giving you the 11 years to 5 years is one time pass 2014 who over came one time pass now s Lankan problem has to be solved the BJP Tamil nadu's Viewpoint is their citizenship should be fast tracked in a particular way we can fast track it and there are many children born in our country uh parents came here they could be given a different uh treatment and of course we have taken it with our honorable home minister he is also looking at all possibilities to see what is there but but putting them in one basket is not doing Justice neither to Sri Lankan tamils are Justice to the Pakistani is the ca valid at all for Tamil Nadu in that respect why did Stalin say this okay if you ask me is there any refugees from Pakistan Bangladesh Afghanistan who came in I I haven't seen anybody I haven't seen anybody okay then why did talati ra Vijay also say this no no this is their political narrative of just they don't even understand Madam they don't even understand what is at stake your people who are already there and they don't understand from 2019 to 2022 23 CAA is actually implemented properly in seven states 32 District magistrates thousands of people got citizenship the Home Secretary was empowered now a rule has come which is applicable to all parts of India they don't even know that and they don't even know C is a postal department is one main agency which collects the data the data and there is an online form they don't even know state government doesn't have a role now these are political posturing you come you don't even understand what CIA don't even understand citizenship they don't even understand the citizenship of this country has changed three times it is not CA amendment in 2019 2005 major Amendment 2003 major Amendment 1980s major Amendment ma'am 1950 to 86 one one one way of citizenship born in country one then father born in country mother or father not a refugee not an alien the citizenship process of this country has changed multiple times 1950 to 86 one lot 86 to 2003 one lot citizenship by naturalization One Way by birth One Way 2005 person of Indian origin again we prevented Bangladesh and Pakistan one Amendment people understand an evolution process so the the idea is that the way as while the changes are happening it is becoming more and more anti-islamic is the charge against uh what the BJP is bringing about now let's imagine there is a pakist Muslim who wants to become an Indian citizen is Indian citizenship act preventing it no if the Indian citizenship Act is preventing the Pakistani Muslim by becoming an Indian citizen then I agree to your point right now A Pakistan Muslim today he decides oh I like Modi G I like bat I like let us imagine Stalin or I like him I'm going to become an Indian citizen he can very well come but he has to go through that process 14 years 11 years in the country become a citizen now people don't understand this where is the prevention happening Madam who is stopping this is a onetime pass for the refugees who have come in Pre 2014 staying in camps by December 31 2014 they have come they're already in camps for them like one time lottery or one time pass five years you of State become a citizen do you think that uh they will pick this up the DMK will pick this up in the election it doesn't matter at all to Taman it doesn't Okay since I spoke about Islam let me bring this one uh part about your life again uh when you were in Udupi it is said that you studied uh Islam and you read the Quran and you read the Hadith uh what what led you to uh reading this text there many of our Muslim friends were kind enough to invite me to mask and especially the Ramadan time when the the 2.5% zakat contribution when it comes they used to contribute Ras and lot of other material things to woman folks so two three times I went to the mass to distribute it they're very kind very very what to say Madam extremely kind to me in allowing me as the SP of the district to come and do that honor at the same time the ISS recruitment was happening when when this was also parall happening and kundapura udipi the Kerala side this side the recruitment news was coming people going to Turkey Syria and all those were coming so I took that very big extra effort as SP of the district along with our police force to make sure that no radicalization is happening because you know that Hot Belt udip Mangalore ch very hot belts carar because I always felt the Kerala model should not get replicated in the Karnataka especially in the coastal part so we took that extra effort to meet the scholars talk to them make sure that nobody gets radicalized it's just a small thing one preacher says a wrong word somebody somebody keeps getting attracted to an online hate speech so that evoked a curiosity in me and being a m Secretary of previously also in colleges here and there I used to see my friends fasting because you arrange food for them at 4:30 in the morning and uh two days I used to go and check whether the food is proper it's hot that also gave me a curiosity that point of time somebody eats Before Sunrise then after Sunset full day people don't even swallow I had some couple of my friends who are so so rigorous in their fasting they don't even swallow their spit spit they don't even swallow and that gave me a lot of curiosity and interest to study what is happening and of course Hadith different versions Quran you read read this then online help of a scholar this out of out of Interest Madam I I I believe being a good Hindu means you should appreciate a good Muslim and a good Christian and a good Pary and a good Buddhist that is how I see and being a good Hindu you don't appreciate the other differences that we have are the other commonalities we have that doesn't make me a good Hindu so everywhere I'm extremely proud of my religion and and ifar last three years we are hosting ifar the BJP unit yes yes tamad BJP unit we officially host ifar okay and people say oh BJP is hosting ifar I said so what BJP hostar because we have lot of Muslim brothers and sisters in our party and people say skull cap I said I will not wear a skull cap neither will I tell my Muslim friends to wear a Viti because if I wear that skull cap for that one 10 micr seconds because I have to come in photo to say that oh you are my friends I don't want to be that kind of politician I follow my religion all 365 days I respect your religion all 365 days that's how the Mutual bonding between both of us as brothers and sisters and you want to Bear one skull cap with due respect which is very sacred to my Muslim brothers and sisters just to come in the photo to say I am with you which means I'm demeaning your religion Madam again going to a mask going to a mask I follow certain precautions anybody who goes to a mask you should ask them I can't I can't spell it out in this mic and and first time when my friends took me to a mask many many years back they told me how to follow a certain precaution keep yourself clean and of course I'm not going to spill it out and how you keep yourself clean I respected it I did it I went to a mask and even when when I do it I out of respect I do this is the ritual you follow I follow it and that I'm not going to come out in the open and port to say oh we skullcap inside of mask so un respect your religion no Madam that is the that is where it has brought the country here 78 years of doing this nonsensical appeasement and and saying that oh mod doesn't we are a skullcap means mod is anti-muslim that is should be the biggest joke of 21st century so when you go back now to katur and you start your campaigning because you don't have much time you're in the first phase there in in katur it used to be considered at one point of time a hot bed of uh Recruitment and of radicalization uh of uh Muslims towards uh Jihad and you're going at a time when ramzan is on you're going at a time when campaign is going to be at its peak how do you take the message of sapka sat sapka which includes secularism to the people of uh katur what is your message going to be uh when you go there not only people of K the whole of Tam Madam of course as M they are seeing me for the last three years who I'm as a person seeing the party and of course I'll be hosting an ifar no doubt about that we are doing doing it we'll be doing it probably we do it in the last 2 three days before their fasting ends in this month and uh I'm not going to change because I'm a candidate and because it is the same appeasement theory that goes in M I have to be all 365 the same guy people should know he's not faking today because he's coming as a candidate so I am going to be myself the same respect the same love for all religions and same curiosity I always have curiosity I every time I read a bhagad g Gita Madam every time I learn new thing it is not something that is St in stone oh Bita I read it I this thing is no every time based on the mental Consciousness and my mind expansion I derive some new things that's how a religion always make me curious because religion why is it that your party members always make fun when Rahul Gandhi goes to the temple you also go to the temple he also goes to the temple but you people all all of you make fun of him there are videos put that oh he's not really a baka he they make fun of him what is it that bothers you a person like ragul Gandhi g when he started the bat jodo yatra there was a pastor sitting with him such a controversial person in kanyakumari he says our God is not like Shakti our God this real God and then he will listen oh okay okay okay okay okay and then he comes last day of bat nayra now and then he says we want to destroy shaki I'm asking with a lot of humility and politeness Madam and you go to a temple anybody will say it is fake and the pastor says my God is real God it is not like shaki and you should say with due respect Pastor sir every God is shaki every God is Shiva every God is Jesus every God is Prophet if he says I accept it I want to destroy Shakti Madam this you do it you go to a temple and you cannot become an Amar abbar Anthony just before elections and people read through you you become an Amar in one state abbar in one state Anthony in one state depending on which state has got a character and then you do kyash pilgrimage right before 2019 elections and then you say I did this Kash pilgrimage what did kyash pilgrimage do to ragul Gandhi if it has really done any wonders to ragul Gandhi g I would have I would love to see a different version of Rahul Gandhi g but he is Amar abbar Anthony all rolled up because he likes it what is the problem with that people you be Amar abbar anony on all 365 days you don't become an Amar Akbar anony only on campaign days and you cannot just run away somewhere Camp campaign you come Karnataka I go to basar mataj before elections I will pray I will take dsha that is not Madam that is not that is your private thing you keep it private and and okay what about your next visit to Karnataka is it only campaigning only on the third day of campaigning you take dsha what about the rest of the days so people want to see somebody who's consistent with their firm belief you have Rights and Wrongs you have firm beliefs but be consistent in it no it will happen no vishar is remembered once in five years only Madam and basaba is also remembered once in five years once in five years tweet comes respect comes suddenly Hanuman thing and then immediately what did DK shumar G Madam in the podcast did you ask how many Hanuman temples he has built Kat election he said no no BJP is accusing me of insulting anuman g anuman g before karnat elction when when we come to B we are going to build this Hanan temples they have no money left sir where there is no money in the coffers M this is one beautiful state Karnataka the Congress government says it like Pakistan Madam it has got their favorite Theory they put a gun to their head the Pakistan government will look at America and say if you don't give meone money I'm going to shoot myself that is Pakistan thing they say if give me money else I'll shoot myself Americans chose to give eight now the same Congress government in Karnataka is doing the same thing you gave promises you gave everything why do they want central government to support them for their promises Madam you generate resources you prove that with this promise you can run a state freebies and whatever it is now put a gun to your head and say no no if you don't give me money I'm going to shoot myself same Pakistan to America relation now Karnataka Congress to central government they're doing it you think siday is doing this you think BK shumar and siday are like we will blow ourselves up if you don't give us money no that is what he's saying separate State what is the theory madam sh what it is not sorry I want to defend Karnataka at this separate State business started from your state sir our state separate State business I never thought this disease will spread to Karnataka I thought the DMK disase have have been contained and we doing our best to contain now India Alliance the disease of separatism is spreading everywhere I I just I'm just looking at some maybe Nan part some Congress G will also speak North is separate from South till now South is separate from North I'm expecting some Congress gate during the course of campaign to say why you are only talking I'll also say North is separate from South the disease of separatism is spreading everywhere that is very unfortunate to see you they will ask you whether you want to be prime minister of Dadu this will happen this this conversation will will will come up about separatism of South India because already it has started it has started that we we are being discriminated South should seed you've heard what you know uh priyan K has also talked about it UD they are all stalwarts of this South being mistreated uh not being this election will put an end to everything mam like one election of 2014 put an end to cost politics 2019 elections put an end to even political parties joining together like in up but still BJP will emerge now 2019 elections will put to the end to north south theory Madam so in conclusion I want to ask you two questions one is on you know there's this video which is doing the rounds I haven't pulled it out as yet uh some of your uh friends or some of your admirers have put it what is Anam Malai answer on AI and what is Rahul Gandhi's answer on AI and shahad came on the podcast and he said that when Rahul Gandhi talked about AI he connected every Network just left out Cartoon Network that's all he put it all together whereas you gave this elaborate explanation about what AI is are you going to be using artificial intelligence in your campaigning this time Madam I'll admit I don't even know what artificial intelligence is Frankly Speaking I'm not a computer guy not an expert to say this you're engineer M I'm an engineer but not a trained engineer in the field I am a common sensical guy who will foresee what AI is when I students ask me I said look I am not good enough to come to IAT so today I good enough to come and share something with you that's how I started and for a long time I saw I from outside today you guys have give me an opportunity to come inside so in that context I will because you have stal sitting there the professors of I said in my Common Sense Viewpoint I'm going to predict how AA is going to be that's my answer and of course rul J is a great man he must have learned many things so I left it to viewers think to see what answer is there I am just a small man with common sensical answer if you ask me do I know AI I absolutely don't know what AI is but I can predict what could be the future with AI but like see Modi G used uh uh for translation so will you be using uh Madam that that is are you using chat gbt you using any of the I asked DK shivkumar for because I'm only bringing him up and I'm I asked madavi L also simply because they have come in the podcast they have South Indian politician so I just want to know South is supposed to be this extra tech savvy politician so I'm asking you are you using technology is a Level Playing Field everywhere but Modi is so relentless Kashi Tamil s he tried with 200 people he tried a technology then uh of course in a larger thing everybody need to carry that earpiece for Real Time translation you got 200 people is okay yeah comes with the lag of four five seconds you hear it now for a crowd of one lak now mod f 50k now let me do a translation of my speech like usual and let me quickly do an AI within maybe one two hours of my speech and quickly put it in social media where so Mor what he's trying toward solving that problem he he's taken one step he tried I'm I'm Amazed by his by his by his speed you tried next you know okay to make it there where everybody real time maybe tomorrow with the phone you carry your own earpiece maybe two years from now your own carry your own device just put it cell phone you connect to an app just just keep it and keep watching mod when he speaking in the stage that we are going there Madam we are going there in two years and app all of you download before coming to Modi you keep a QR code you just download it cell phone Carry Your Own device put it and sit like this m will speak you will hear it translate but to reach there you got to go through here where right now it is coming in social media with a 2hour lack so mod has got a clear plan though he never spelled out as a common citizen I'm predicting this is where Modi is going now of course artificial intelligence is a game changer no doubt this election of course technology is a major tool social media analytics Instagram how you present your viewpoints to different sets of people mainly is using technology to combat fake news deep Mo videos that was my next question I'm so glad you brought fake news too fake news deep Mo videos yeah it is going to come up and you have firsttime voters also you know a whole bunch I don't know uh where your constituency or Tamil Nadu they've done any kind of research about firsttime voters right now those firsttime voters they may not connect so much with peri's ideology or the DMK ideology for them Modi is a new phenomenon right and anamal is also a new phenomenon between last election you've fought one uh state election but you've not fought a Loa election but you are a new person for them too right so using new technology using AI combating fake news these are all new compared to the last election isn't it that's a big challenge for us no doubt and this time I would say technology has to play play a major role not in disseminating information but in preventing fake information so this is this election 2024 is going to be for example you see ma'am anybody can set a narrative now when you have social media volunteers you can set any narrative but the problem is when it becomes an Eco chamber India is becoming an Eco chamber some arrest is happening somewhere you want to say what money laundering Act is you want to spin it out you want to said this is it and you want to hide out supreme court summons High Court not giving permission the arrest is happening in a certain way where the opposite person has gone through all the possible legal channels it's not one day fight it's a two-year fight skipping summons so this is a longer Narrative of saying why it happened or even in the Telangana case why a leader was longer narrative but I can't say this in 30C narrative to say oh this person is arrested you're trying to muscle a voice so you when when it becomes a 30C narrative people will have doubts why somebody arrested when it becomes a 5 minute narrative they know oh this much has happened now technology is going to be a game changer between a 30C narrative and a 5 minute narrative that's how I see it Madam so I really look forward to seeing what your campaign is going to shape so shall I take a date from you when I'm when you're coming next to the podcast it's taken you one year to come back all the best to you it's been a pleasure absolute pleasure talking to you thank you so much for coming to the podcast thank you thank you for watching or listening to this Edition of the Ani podcast with Smitha prakash do like or subscribe on whichever Channel you have seen this or heard this Namaste J hin click here to 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