Engineering Degree Tier List from a REAL ENGINEER @Shane Hummus - The Success GPS

in this video we're going to talk about an engineering degree tier list from a real engineer and look at some of the flaws in this existing degree tier list by shane hummus from the success gps he's a cool guy he's a great career coach but he's not an engineer and there's some flaws in this video the reason that i put engineering as a whole as a tier instead of s tier the job outlook for engineering in general just isn't that good so this one is going to steer you in the proper direction and we're starting right now right after i eat this hummus for breakfast [Music] hey one percent nation i'm jake voorhees and welcome back to the one percent engineer show where we empower young engineers to rise to the top one percent of their career so if this is you make sure you hit the notification bell and subscribe check out the links below for access to our discord server the one percent engineer kit and lots of other cool things and let's get right into this video comment below with what type of engineering you think you want to be and why this video is going to talk about the overall issues in shane hummus's engineering degree tier list which by the way here's the list of issues is basing them too much on salary basing things on future growth which who knows even what that means the government is not the best authority to actually look at future growth he's not doing something that we call a career saturation ratio so looking at how many people are in the industry and then how many degrees are being added into that industry every single year he doesn't consider that at all he doesn't really understand the structure of engineering degrees or how niche something is and that's quite evident in this video and then finally he's making conclusions about engineering careers and he doesn't really know anybody could make most of shane's videos he'd for the most part just goes to the bureau of labor statistics websites and then makes video summaries about them which is fine but when it comes to engineering there's a considerable amount of complexity in choosing the right major and even though you can have a successful career almost no matter which engineering degree that you choose there are some that are better than others and based on the trajectory of the engineering industry you don't want to end up with something that is the wrong degree that in 10 20 to 40 years from now you absolutely regret it so make sure you watch this video to the end we dissect every single aspect of his video and then i'm going to give you what i think is the right playbook to choosing the right major in 2021. shane here talks about how when he did a majors ranking video and he put engineers in a tier not s tier which is a big mistake and i definitely made a few engineers mad when i put engineering in a tier instead of s tier definitely got a few angry comments about that besides dentistry doctor law school and things like this that require an advanced degree there is no other college major that can give you the high salary that commands the same level of societal respect and also can open more graduate school doors than any other types of doors for opportunities in the future than engineering it is absolutely an s-tier type of major and that's why he got so many negative comments about that because he's just wrong here you see it as well he's admitting that he's done a ton of research on this and then others told me that i should make a video ranking the engineering degrees and so here we are i've done a ton of research on this which it just shows that he doesn't have the experience in the background he's had to just read about this guys you can't just read a couple websites and then think that you know which engineering majors are the best and then advise 400 000 views worth of audience time and it's great that he changed his mind about engineering good and he goes through the top 11 degrees so let's take a look at his analysis and see what we can make of it so the first one is taking a look at chemical engineering i don't know why he's starting there because of all the engineering careers there's just over 32 000 chemical engineers hired in america right now why wouldn't you start with one of the big three like civil electrical or mechanical engineering those are the only ones that have over 300 000 jobs what about software development there's over 1.4 million people not all of them are engineers but that many people working in software development i don't understand why you would start with chemical engineering but he did it's a little unclear to me as we start this video if he's starting with the best or the worst or whatever it turns out that he's just ranking them sort of arbitrarily and he shows that it's number three on pay number three on job outlook six percent growth that's fine i mean again i really don't believe that the government can forecast over the next 10 years how much growth an industry is going to have it's just ridiculous i mean you have new paradigm shifts do you think that in 1998 1999 they were predicting the explosion of the internet or in 2007 they were predicting how mobile was going to change everything no they don't know these things so it's really impossible to say from the bureau of labor statistics perspective what the growth is so i don't really play that much into it he says it's number eight on the amount of jobs which is fine but again there's only 32 000 positions so either way and number eight sounds like a really bad to me and he's saying there's a bunch of jobs and it's flexible and i really don't agree with that i've talked to tons of chemical engineers who can't get a job in chemical engineering because there are so few opportunities sure you can step outside of chemical engineering but then why did you even major in chemical engineering to begin with i don't think it's a great degree unless you live somewhere that has a heavy chemical engineering industry or somewhere that's petroleum-based or somewhere that's heavy plastic space and that you want to live in that country and live in that city and actually be there physically someplace that hires a lot of chemical engineers like here in delaware the dupont family the engineering building here is called dupont hall because of how much chemical engineering was invested into the university so that's an example of an exception and a situation where maybe chemical engineering is an okay call if you want to live in an area with so many chemical companies like where i live okay next up he takes a look at electrical engineering and what do you mean you're not going to go into what electrical engineering is next on the list is going to be electrical engineering and i think most people kind of get what you do with electrical engineering it's not necessarily intuitive you should explain the degrees a little bit that's the whole reason why my youtube channel exists because most students don't know this stuff do you guys know that it's about power or it's about electricity and magnetism and it's about a lot of theoretical math and it's incredibly different from even mechanical engineering which a lot of students are confused which one to take they know both of those are big and great but they really don't understand that electrical engineering is heavily theoretical and requires a lot of programming you can avoid being a coder or a programmer entirely in civil engineering and a lot of times in mechanical engineering but not in electrical engineering so it is different and he should be explaining what these majors are instead of just assuming that people know about them which is ridiculous number four on payment he says that's fine job growth only two percent i think that's insane uh it's number six on the list it says you can get a job wherever you live that's absolutely true and if you're bored that's okay uh and bruh did you just do math on youtube in front of engineers two percent of 330 000 is still more than six percent of 30 000. that's dangerous to me you don't have to say things like that to us we already crunched the numbers in our heads and we know and then he puts electrical engineering in a tier see this is i just can't understand electrical engineering to me is the absolute best engineering that you can do today you can become a mechatronics engineer you can really work in any field with electrical engineering telecom anything with electrical circuits anything that does any sort of programming i mean lots of electrical engineers who go on to be full-time software developers because they have to be so legitimate on their coding and programming sides also why are you showing us this silly little graph the whole time and making yourself this small camera in the corner i just don't understand this video is a little painful to watch for me already [Applause] next up aerospace engineering engineering and designing aircraft sure it's a little bit more than that you work with aircraft spacecraft there's two different types of aerospace engineering you can work on things that are within the atmosphere that's aeronautical engineering then you can work on things that are actually out in outer space that would be astronautical engineering so spacex and blue origin and these types of companies that's in that category number two on pay that's right aerospace engineering is considerably higher for their median pay it's a hundred and sixteen thousand dollars versus in the high eighties for civil and mechanical electrical engineering is just over a hundred thousand dollars for their median salary it's pretty good number five on job count kind of average is it average though i mean not really because again you have the big three and there are 300 000 you have industrial engineering which is kind of a standalone engineering it's very unique it almost has 300 000 and next up you have aerospace engineering and sales engineering that each have 65 000 jobs so is it average or is it pretty good it's on the good side i'm not really sure if i would call this average more jobs in war yeah i would agree with that military and defense contracting some of the biggest aerospace engineering employers lockheed martin north of grumman raytheon engineering even boeing has military contracts so more feminine feasts i'm not sure i mean look at what these companies are doing even facebook is working on the ability to provide wi-fi and telecom services with drones and other types of solutions you have the spacex starling project that same thing they're gonna have satellites that are providing wi-fi all around the world instead of it coming through a system that we use today and then even after that second on pay he makes aerospace engineering a tier i mean this really is just mind-blowing to me that he doesn't understand this is one of the best types of engineering as well aerospace is great i would put it in the top four right behind civil electrical and mechanical and he has it as eight here it's just like a wtf moment for me next up mechanical engineering one of the lowest for salary mechanical engineering is one of the lowest paid on the list at about 87 000. i mean come on guys this is another thing that i don't understand really starting to split hairs here take a look at this let's go back to bureau labor statistics all the salaries that are over 80 000 and if it's not a managerial or director type of position most of these are in stem math and science or an engineer could get this job there's no such thing as average salary in engineering most of the highest salaries in the world today unless it requires an advanced degree like again dentist doctor lawyer physical therapist these types of things the highest salaries can all be attained with an engineering degree they're engineering roles so it's not an average salary average american family income is 63 000 so a median salary of 88 000 gonna call that average it just doesn't even make mathematics sense you can tell this guy's not an engineer when it comes down to salary it's a supply and demand thing and also a difficulty thing so part of the reason why yes chemical engineers make a lot of money or aerospace engineers make a lot of money or electrical engineers make more than civil and mechanical it is a harder curriculum it's a harder type of career you need to be more intelligent you need to be smarter in order to be some of these types of engineers you need to be smarter than average to be an engineer in general and that's why they get paid so well mechanical engineers are sort of jacks of all trades the jack of all trades and engineering maybe i suppose mechanical engineering is considered sort of the benchmark of the baseline for engineering so i guess i'll give you that shane they're taking a lot of the biomedical engineers jobs taking all the biomedical engineering jobs i mean okay so again this is an indication that you don't know what you're talking about there's only 19 000 biomedical engineering jobs in america so there's not a bunch of mechanical engineers just taking all the bme jobs i mean bme and aerospace engineering is technically a subset of mechanical engineering if you really want to break it down so yes a mechanical engineering degree or an electrical engineering degree can get you access to bme aerospace sales even industrial engineering pretty much any engineering degree could just get you into industrial engineering but it doesn't mean they're taking the jobs i mean honestly guys no matter what engineering degree you have if you do the right internships if you align yourself with the right people and network in those directions if you do research if you join the right societies and you join the right engineering clubs and chapters you can get access to any type of engineering job regardless of what degree you have especially if it's one of the big three civil or mechanical or electrical honestly they're a little bit more flexible than civil but so there's no such thing as taking the jobs this is just how it works a lot of people who don't get internships and don't network properly and they don't actually galvanize their resume to specifically target a type of role that they want that's how they end up jobless that's how they end up applying for a year or two and they just don't get the right type of opportunities because their resume doesn't reflect the direction that they're headed it's more about the strategy that you have than the degree that you get the degree does matter that's the point of this video that's why there's almost half a million views on this video but again it's not as rigid as you would even think so there's no such thing with as engineers taking all the jobs in one type of engineering i mean that just doesn't make any sense especially for mechanical engineering and then he puts it as b tier for mechanical engineering which is ridiculous it's ridiculous mechanical engineering is one of the best types of engineering because it is so broad because it hires 316 000 people in america this year i just don't understand you know if we haven't seen an str engineering degree yet after going over aerospace mechanical and electrical like what could possibly be ester next up we have industrial engineering he describes this in a ridiculous way generally these processes include some sort of you know either hardware software machines something along those lines generally this includes some sort of hardware or software or machines i mean come on dude that is everything in the world so what are you even talking about otherwise it just includes thin air if it doesn't include those things number nine in pay that's true industrial engineers are not paid as high as some other types of engineering extremely good future growth second best growth yeah that's fine good job counts almost 300 000 this is true flexible engineering degree this is true so the one thing that's interesting about industrial engineering that he doesn't mention at all is it is one of the unique types of degrees in the sense that it's kind of the reverse way of thinking of engineering most engineering is taking a look at an individual piece or an individual component and optimizing that and making it stronger think about a bridge or all the parts of an engine you want to optimize every individual piece so that the sum of the parts the total is actually better if you optimize each individual component industrial engineering is the opposite type of perspective you want to look at the system-wide approach the entire umbrella scenario rather than going into the weeds and sort of reverse engineering your way into a better situation because of this it takes more things into account like human factors so this is big for manufacturing industry you want to look at the actual workers and the way that things are laid out instead of optimizing every individual part in an assembly line you need to have the top down more broader thinking because of this it is a far more diverse field there's another reason that there's more people who are interested in it in general you need to talk to people you need to have better soft skills and because of these reasons is not as male dominated it's actually 40 women you do not see that in any other type of engineering i think engineering is only 13 women in general but industrial engineering is 40 so i think that's fantastic and then he puts it in b tier i support that i support that to be honest mostly because of the salary and the fact that it's not as popular of a major so that's fine maybe it deserves a tier but it's okay next up we have civil engineering i'm a civil engineer he talks about how there's oversight on the job and if you like hands-on nope it's not necessarily true you're no more likely to work with your hands or be on site with the job with civil engineering than mechanical or electrical however what i think shane is trying to talk about is the fact that civil engineering does have an infrastructure component and a design build component and a construction engineering component and a project manager component so there are brackets within civil engineering that you can be on site and you can actually see the implementation of these projects and making sure that you're integrating the construction side and the actual do-it side with the design and with the scheduling and with the budgeting and that would be the project manager but mostly on the construction engineering side so in the 330 000 jobs that civil engineers have most of them are working just like other types of engineers you're working in a white collar position where you're at an office working with other people using double or triple monitors using software designing calculating running analyses working with a team printing plans redlining things figuring out the next step and constantly working on a project and you're not using your hand it's not hands-on that's not true it can be if you want it to be but most civil engineers just like mentioned sit in an office and have a very standard type of engineering career then he makes it beat here i really don't agree with this because again it's one of the big three there's more civil engineering jobs in america than any other type of engineering so how can you possibly make it be tier just because the salary is less again we're splitting hairs here six percent job growth hands where the action is where the action is whatever that means i mean okay fine it should be a tier in my opinion but it is what it is next up we have biomedical engineering no one actually knows what's going to happen with its future he says nobody really knows what's going to happen with its future actually we do there are people who've been writing about this forever you have the integration of our biological evolution with our technological evolution we're already seeing things like nanobots that release insulin and look at neurolink elon musk company that actually has circuitry that will be wired into your brain to help you download memories and install information just like neo from the matrix so we do know where this is headed a part of moore's law is integrating biomedical engineering into our future yeah it's true there's not as many job openings four percent drop growth that's fine not very flexible might get stuck working for a particular type of company i think this is true he calls this a dark horse and puts it in f tier i mean this is a big jump because the salary is not bad it's really close to civil mechanical uh not as high as electrical engineering but i agree with shane in the sense that there's so few jobs that i really do discourage people just like chemical from going into biomedical engineering unless you absolutely know that's what you want to do you almost need to have volunteered and shadowed or done a bunch of informational interviews with engineers in biomedical engineering to really know this or you've just been super passionately in love with it your entire life because if you're not it's much better that you get something like a mechanical engineering job and then you focus your first internships in biomedical engineering and you network in biomedical engineering and you build relationships with people there with your professors you do research you join those societies that's the way to go is to choose the more broad degree and then isolate and focus and make sure that you like it instead of the other way around so i'm not sure if i agree with ft it's a really big jump shade but i'm not sure if biomedical engineering is the right fit for most people unless they absolutely know which is hard anyway next up you have environmental engineering number seventh on pay that's fine five percent job growth that's fine we really need to have way more environmental engineers because we have messed up this planet that is true i mean he says only 55 000 job openings that puts environmental engineering in the top six top seven type of engineering so again he makes it as d tier i don't think environmental engineering deserves that i think environmental engineering is a great type of career my degree on the transcript technically says civil and environmental engineering it's very common for programs to integrate environmental engineering into civil engineering and same thing you just take different internships and different technical electives during your career and you will work on different things and then you'll get a job in a different area so it's not a bad degree i do not think it deserves d tier next up you have a glaring example of how shane doesn't know what he's talking about because he's talked about marine engineering how many of you have heard about marine engineering i'm sure almost none of you there's only between 11 and 12 000 jobs in america so this engineering should not even be on this list we haven't even talked about software engineering by the way which is ridiculous or mechatronics engineering or construction engineering or sales engineering which has 65 000 jobs so marine engineering doesn't even belong in this video nine percent future growth okay same thing nine percent future growth of just over ten thousand jobs means who cares again doing math in front of engineers don't do that shane you're not an engineer when we're only talking about a nine percent future growth from eleven thousand jobs uh not flexible if you get this degree yeah exactly because there's so few jobs and are there actually marine engineering majors and degrees no i really don't think so let's take a look marine engineering degree let's go see there's not i actually did research with a coastal engineer on camera projects when i was an undergrad and there's only a handful of schools all around the country that focus on this type of engineering it's just such a niche field that it shouldn't even be in this video and then he says you really have to know what you're doing in life i mean that's the biggest problem this is the issue that so many engineers have is that all of these types of engineering sound interesting and it's really hard to know what you want to do until you actually go do it and get internships and take the courses and talk to people in the industry and do informational interviews nobody knows what they want to do okay especially today with the internet a 16 17 18 year old student has no clue what they want to do so i don't even think this one should be in here next up we have computer engineering so he says that it's self-explanatory yeah sure i don't agree with that he talks about how computer engineering is six percent job growth rate average for other jobs okay that's fine pretty good for engineering 64 000 job available he says what's interesting here is that this is computer hardware engineering okay if you watch my video of what do computer engineers do you will see that that's only half of the industry a lot of those other computer engineers they're actually working in software computer engineering and it does have quite an overlap with computer science computer engineering is essentially a bracket and subset of electrical engineering i've had multiple friends at multiple universities be able to double major in computer and electrical engineering by only taking a few extra classes that's how similar the degrees are computer engineers can be software engineers that's absolutely and then finally he puts this engineering computer engineering of all types in s tier not electrical not aerospace he puts it in s tier and i can't really understand that salary is pretty high about just as high as aerospace and so why is aerospace engineering only as a tier and not s tier it doesn't make any sense to me you're inconsistent chain it's really important for engineers you have to establish a system and a model and then follow it that's the point finally the 11th one here we have petroleum engineering it talks about how the salary is off the charts that's because of the oil industry and it's one of the most lucrative industries in the world besides banking or pharmaceuticals or pulling this carbon out of the ground and it's just selling it and burning it and using it and we're messing up our environment so petroleum engineering even though it makes a ton of money it's so bad for the environment and there's so much money flying around that this is why the salary is off the charts you don't have to be smarter you don't end up doing additionally cool things there's just more money in that industry there's no guarantee that it's going to go away pretty soon but we are going to make serious changes to the industry as you know particularly if we don't want to end the world and here he is comparing a physician's assistant to engineering i mean again this is insane compare this to a physician's assistant because a physician's assistant requires an advanced degree you can't just go to undergrad and become a physician's assistant so i don't understand this comparison you need 2 000 hours of clinical experience which is 40 hours a week for an entire year and you have a certifying exam and then finally you can start working as a physician's assistant so again it's a ridiculous comparison it doesn't make any sense salary increase and job satisfaction are not necessarily correlated he talks about that here and he says that petroleum engineers probably have to be more intelligent this is just not true there's just more money in that industry so there you have it guys there's my criticism and critique for this engineering degree tier list in summary what you want to do is pick one of the big three okay pick electrical if you like to program and if you are really good at math if you like to build things and you want to do design of building structures and bridges then go with civil and if you're not sure if you like to take over things and design parts and take stuff apart choose mechanical engineering you can get a job any job that you want with either of those three particularly if you teach yourself to code as well and this is why electrical engineering is future proof because there is so much programming i really do believe it's the best engineering degree out there besides that you can't really go wrong with aerospace environmental industrial engineering sales engineering computer engineering most of these are good until you get down into the much smaller niche fields the ones that have under 50 000 jobs which here's the list chemical petroleum materials engineering health and safety engineering biomedical engineering nuclear engineering marine engineering there it is at 16th on the list by the way and then you have mining and geological engineering and then finally agricultural engineering there's under 3 000 agricultural engineers in america and their salary is pretty low so it's hard for me to understand how anyone would pick one of these things unless it was their life dream and goal they really did know that they wanted to be again say a nuclear engineer or a marine engineer can't believe that he didn't put nuclear engineering on the list instead of marine materials engineering has more again software engineering didn't make this list it's a big mistake software developers 1.4 million jobs there's more jobs in software development than electrical civil mechanical and industrial engineering combined so that really says a lot that he just omitted this didn't talk about sales engineering median salary of almost 104 thousand dollars with 64 000 jobs total blunder by shane there so it is what it is i'm gonna make another video which focuses more on the formula to choosing the right major it was one of my more successful videos at the beginning of this channel but it needs update and a remake how to pick the right engineering major in 2021 so thanks for watching guys let me know what you think of my analysis of his video in the comments below what type of videos should we make in 2021 leave a comment and we can make a video just for that if you're a young engineer and you want to rise to the top one percent of your career make sure you hit the notification bell and subscribe thanks again for watching the one percent engineer show guys and we'll see you again in another video [Music] bye-bye [Music] you

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Length: 25min 44sec (1544 seconds)

Published: Fri Jan 22 2021