Endnote 4: How the Alt-Right is Like an Abusive Relationship (live)

he is intriguing yet unpredictable he demands unconditional loyalty he seems to have an intuitive understanding of what people want to hear but no actual empathy he treats others as simply bodies or objects and he's surrounded by a network of subordinates but the personnel is always changing does it sound like I'm talking about the president because these are according to Alexander Stein qualities of a cult leader hi my name is Ian Danskin I'm a video essayist and media artist I run a YouTube channel called innuendo studios the flagship endeavor of which is currently the alt-right playbook series on the political and rhetorical strategies the alt-right uses to legitimize itself and gain power and if that sounds interesting to you and you haven't already please like share and subscribe the most recent episode of the alt-right playbook is about how people get recruited into these largely online reactionary communities like the alt-right a subject which as it turns out is real hard to research what I want to talk about today with you is how I go about studying a population that is incredibly hostile towards being studied it involves finding the bits and pieces on the alt-right that we do have data on the pockets of good research The Outsider observations the stories of lived experience as well as looking at older movements the alt-right grew out of that have been extensively researched and spotting the ways that the alt-right is continuous with them and trying to extrapolate how those structures might recreate themselves in the social media age so it's a lot and in the process of researching I found a wealth of interesting perspectives that by focusing the video on recruitment in specific I barely dipped a toe in and all that stuff is what I'd like to get into with you today but I'm trying to thread a needle here you don't need to have seen my video how to radicalize an or me to follow this talk but if you have seen it already I'll try not to be redundant this talk is one part making my case for why I think the conclusions in that video are correct one part repository for all the stuff I couldn't get into and one part how I've come to look at the outright as a result of this research including some pet theories that I wouldn't feel right claiming is truth without further research but I do think are on the right track this talk is called isolation engulfment and pain how the alt-right is like an abusive relationship we're gonna cover a lot of ground from information processing to emotional development but we're necessarily going to cover racism and violence and abuse dynamics so this is an introduction and a Content warning some of these subjects are particularly charged for you know offense will be taken if at any point you leave the room I have to research this stuff for a living and it is rough so sometimes even I have to step away we don't judge here now a requisite bash of self-deprecation don't give me too much credit for all this I am proud of the work I do and I think I'm genuinely good at it but most of this video was compiling the work of others besides research I had already done and my own observations the video had 27 sources three books five research papers six articles one leaked document three testimonials four videos four pages of statistics keynote just closed that's exciting I'm sorry I just get excited where were you I'm always right around there okay this is the three testimonials for videos four pages of statistics we're gonna take it slowly and one Twitter joke I also spoke to four professional researchers who study right-wing extremism and one former alt writer so without all their hard work I would have nothing to compile okay let's begin we're gonna Center on those three main texts alt America by David Knight word a history of the alt writes origins healing from hate by Michael Kimmel about how young men get into and out of extremist groups be they neo-nazi or jihadist and terror love and brainwashing by Alexandra Stein about how people are courted by and sometimes kept inside cults and totalitarian regimes I began with Kimmel the premise of healing from hate is that extremist groups tend to be between 75 and 90 percent male and that you cannot understand radical conservatism without looking at it through the lens of toxic masculinity which makes it all the more disappointing that Kimmel has been accused by multiple women of bullying and harassment I found the book incredibly useful and we're still gonna talk about it I just need to caveat here that retweets are not endorsements also if I spoil the book for you then you don't need to buy it give your money to someone who isn't a creep Kimmel's argument is that extremism begins with a pain peculiar to young men he calls it aggrieved entitlements I call it dirt and syndrome you know I've seen in Fight Club where Tyler says we've all been raised by television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars but we won't and we're slowly learning that fact and we are very very pissed off yeah that as men the world promised us something and the promise wasn't kept now some men skew towards social progressivism when they realize that this promise was never made to women or men of color or queer or trans or non-binary people and recognize the injustice of that in some men skew towards economic leftism when they realize that every this head white man being a millionaire rock star movie God is mathematically impossible but they skew towards reactionary conservatism when they feel the promise should have been kept that's the life they were supposed to have and someone took it from them hate groups appeal to that sense of emasculation you want to be a real man shave off your hair dance to hate core and let's beat the crap out of someone Kimmel notes that the greatest indicator someone will join a hate group is a broken home divorce foster care parents with addictions physical or sexual abuse the greater the distance between the life they were promised and the one they are living the more enticing real masculinity becomes their fellow extremists are brothers and the leaders father figures the group does give them someone to blame for their lot in life be it immigrants feminists or the Jewish conspiracy but that's not why they join they're after empowerment according to Kimmel their embrace of neo-nazi ideology is a consequence of their recruitment and indoctrination process not its cause but once an other has been identified as the locus of a hate groups hate they the new recruits are brought along when that group goes and terrorizes the other events like cross burnings and street fights are dangerous and morally fraught and are often traumatic for a new recruit and experiencing an emotional trauma can create an intense bond with the people experiencing it with him even though they're the ones who brought him to the traumatic event in the first place the creation of this bond is one of the reasons that some hate groups uh sure new recruits out into the field as early as possible the sooner they are emotionally invested in the community the faster they will embrace the community's politics this uttering also estranges them from the people they are supposed to hate which makes it harder to stop hating them so this concept that comes up a lot of my research it's called contact hypothesis contact hypothesis argues that the more contact you have with a different walk of life the easier it is to tolerate it it's like exposure therapy we talked about how big cities and college campuses tend to be liberal strongholds the likes to claim it's because professors and politicians are poisoning your mind but really it's just that they tend to be diverse when you share space with a lot of different kinds of people a degree of liberalism becomes necessary just to get by and we see that belief systems which rely on a strict orthodoxy get really cagey about their members having contact with outsiders we see this in all the groups we're discussing today extremist cults in totalitarianism but also religious fundamentalists Mormons only want to send their kids to Brigham Young they are belief systems that can only reliably be maintained so long as no one gets exposed to other people with other beliefs so that's some of what I took from Kimmel next I read Stine talking primarily about cults Stein's window into all of this is applying the theory of attachment styles to what researchers call totalism which is any structure that subsumes a person in tires subsumes a person's entire life the way that cults in totalitarian governments do attachment is a concept you may be familiar with if you have or have ever dated a therapist I've done both so for a quick primer imagine you're walking in a park with a three-year-old and the three-year-old sees a dog and asks the dog and you say yeah go pet the dog and the kid steps away from you and they reach out the dog gets excited and jumps up and kid gets scared and runs back to your side you hold the kid and you go no no no it's okay it's okay they're not gonna hurt you they were just so happy to see you and after a few moments you know kid calms down and then you say do do you still want to pet the dog kid says yes so they step away from you again they reach out dog jumps up again but this time the kid steals themself they don't run away they pet the dog and then the dogs happy kids happy and you're happy success so this is a fundamental piece of a child's emotional development they take a risk have a negative experience and retreat to a point of comfort then having received that comfort they feel bolstered enough to take a slightly greater risk a healthy childhood is steadily venturing further and further from that point of comfort and taking on greater risks secure in the knowledge that safety is there when they need it and as an adult they will form many interdependent points of comfort rather than relying on only one or two if all goes according to plan that is secure attachment but sometimes things go wrong when kids seeks comfort and doesn't get enough this may be because the adult is withholding or the kid doesn't know how to express their needs or their just a particularly fearful child but the kid may start seeking comfort more than seems reasonable and be particularly averse to risk and over focus on the people who give them comfort because they're operating at a deficit we call that anxious attachment alternately kid may give up on receiving comfort altogether even though they still need it and just go it alone developing a distrust of other people and a fear of being vulnerable we call that avoidant attachment now these styles are all formed in early childhood but Stine focuses on a fourth kind of attachment style that can be formed at any age regardless of the style you came in with it's what happens when the negative experience and the comfort come from the same place we see it in children and adults who are mistreated by the people they trust it's called disorganized attachment according to Stine cults foster disorganized attachment by being intensely unpredictable in a cult you may be praised for your commitment on Monday and have your commitment questioned on Tuesday with no change in your behavior you may be assigned a romantic partner who may at any point be taken away assigned to someone else your children may be taken from you to be raised by a different family you may be told the cult leader wants to sleep with you which might make you incredibly happy or be terrifying but you won't be given a choice and the rules you're expected to follow will be rewritten without warning this creates a kind of emotional chaos where you can't predict when you will be given good feelings when you will be given bad ones but you are so enmeshed in the community that you have no place else to go for good feelings hurting you just draws you in deeper because they are where you go to seek comfort and your pain is always your fault you wouldn't feel so shitty if you were just more committed trying to make sense of this causes so much confusion and anguish that you eventually just stop thinking for yourself these are the rules now okay he's not my brother anymore okay this is my life now okay now hardly anyone would seek out such a dynamic which is why cults present as religions political activists and therapy groups things that people in questioning phases of their life are liable to seek out and then they fall down the rabbit hole before they know what's happening the cult slowly consumes more and more of a recruits life and tightly controls access to relationships outside the cult because the biggest threat to a disorganized attachment relationship is having a separate securely attached point of comfort at this point I said hold up you're telling me cults recruit by offering people community and purpose in times of need to become the focal point of their entire lives estranged them from all outside perspectives and then caused emotional distress that paradox that makes them more committed because they have nowhere else to go for support isn't that exactly how Kimmel described joining a hate group now these are commonalities it's not a one-to-one comparison a cult is far more organized and rigidly controlled than a hate group but Stein points out that the dynamic of isolation and Gulf Minh in pain is the same dynamic as an abusive relationship the difference is just scale a cult is functionally a single person having a very complex domestic abuse situation with a whole lot of people hashtag bad polyamory so if we pause it a spectrum with domestic-abuse on one end and cults in totalitarianism on the other I started wondering could we put extremist groups like Isis and Aryan Nations around here and if so where would we put the alt right now I have to tread carefully here there are reasons this talk is called how the alt-right is like an abusive relationship and not how the alt-right is like a cult because the moment you say the second thing a lot of people will stop listening to you our conception of cults in totalitarianism is way more controlled and structured than a pack of loud racist on the internet but we're not talking about organizational structure we're talking about a relationship an emotional dynamic that Stein calls anxious dependency which fosters an irrational loyalty to people who are bad for you and gets you to adopt an ideology you would have previously rejected I would also love to go on a rant puncturing the idea that cultists and fascists are organized pointing out that this notion is itself propaganda their systems are notoriously corrupt and mismanaged but we don't have time ask me about it in the Q&A if you want to hear me go off so I started looking through what I knew and what I could find about the alt-right to see if I could spot this same pattern of isolation engulfment and pain online funneling people to the alright and I did not come up short isolation well the alt-right traffic's in all the same dehumanizing narratives about their enemies as Kimmel's hate groups like the worst things you can imagine human being saying about a group of people are said every day in these forums they often berate and harass each other for any perceived sympathies towards the other side they also regularly harass people from the other side off of platforms and falsely report their tweets posts and videos as terrorism to get them taken down this has happened to me incidentally I found figure heads adored by the alt-right who expressly tell people to cut ties with liberal family members we talked before about contact hypothesis there's also this idea called para social contact thisis a parasocial relationship is a strong emotional connection that only goes one way like like if you really love my videos and you've started to think of me like almost as a friend even though I don't know you exist yeah parasocial relationship they've been in the discourse lately largely thanks to my friend Shannon screw Qi making a really great video about them you should check it out I make a cameo but clear your schedule it's two hours long para social contact hypothesis is this phenomenon where if people form para social feelings for public figures or even fictional characters and those people and characters happen to be black white audiences become less racist similar to how they would if they had black friends your logical brain knows that these are strangers but the lizard brain doesn't know the difference between empathy for a queer person and empathy for a queer character in a video game so of course the alt-right makes a big stink about queer characters and video games and leads boycotts against force to diversity because diversity is bad for recruitment engulf meant well I learned way too much about how the alt-right will overtake your entire internet life there was a paper made the rounds last year by Rebecca Lewis charting the interconnectedness of conservative YouTube reactionaries really good help for this slide if it was actually on screen how do I go back we go that okay it's not gonna happen reactionaries really hated this paper because it said things they didn't like lewis argues that once you enter what she calls the alternative influence network it tends to keep you inside start with some youtuber conservatives like but who is branded as a moderate or even a classic liberal take someone like dave rubin call dave rubin alright and people yell at you I speak from experience well dave rubin has had jordan peterson on his show and so if you watch rubin peterson ends up in your recommendations peterson has been on the Geoghan show so you watch Peterson and Rogen ends up in your recommendations and Rogan has interviewed Gavin McGinnis so you watch Rogen McKenna's ends up in your recommendations Gavin McInnes is the head of the proud boys a self-described Western chauvinist organization that's mostly known for beating up liberals and leftists they have ties to neo-fascist groups like identity Europa and neo-fascist militias like The Oath Keepers they run security for white nationalists when they give speeches and their lawyer just went on record saying that he identifies as a fascist and if you're one of these kids that has YouTube on in the background with autoplay enabled and you're watching dave rubin you might be as few as three videos away from watching Gavin McGinnis there's a lot of talk these days about how algorithms funnel people towards the right and it's not wrong but it's an oversimplification the real problem is that the right knows how to hijack algorithms I also learned about the curation search radicalization spiral from a piece by mike caulfield caulfield uses the horrific example of Dylan roof you remember him shot up a church in a black neighborhood a few years ago roof says he was radicalized when he googled black on white crime and saw the results now if you search the phrase crime statistics by demographic you will find fairly nonpartisan results that show that most crimes are committed against the member members of the perpetrators own race and black people commit crimes against white people at about the same rate as any two demographics but that specific phrase black on white crime is used almost exclusively by white racists and so roofs first hit wasn't a database of crime statistics it was the Council of conservative citizens now the CCC is an outgrowth of the white citizens councils of the 50s and 60s which rebranded in 85 they published bogus statistics that paint black people as uniquely violent and they introduced a number of other politically loaded phrases like say Muslim fertility rates that nonpartisan sites don't use and so if roof Google's them as well he gets similarly weighted results now I've got tons more examples of this stuff I literally don't have time to show at all like have you heard of Google bombing that's a thing I didn't know existed the point is the same way search engines tailor your results to they think you want once you scratch the surface of the alt-right they are highly adept at making it so whenever you go online their version of reality is all you know and all you see finally pain this was the difficult one can you create a disorganized attachment relationship over the internet with a largely faceless and decentralized movement I pitched the idea to one of the researchers I spoke to and he said that sounds very plausible and nearly impossible to research you see cults and hate groups they don't want to talk to researchers any more than the alt-right wants to talk to me Stein and Kimmel get their data by speaking to formers people who have exited these movements and are all too happy to share how horrible they were but the alt-right is still very young and there just aren't that many formers yet I found some testimonials and they mostly back up my hypothesis but there's not enough that I could call them statistically significant so I had to look at where the data was my fellow youtuber contre points made a video last year in my opinion probably her best one about in cells that's involuntary celibate men who can't get laid in cell forums tend to be deeply misogynistic and anti-feminist and have a high overlap with the outright if you remember elliot rodger he was an in cell contras observation is that these forums are incredibly fatalistic you are too ugly and women too shallow for you to ever have sex so you should just give up she described a certain catharsis like picking at a really painful scab in hearing other people voice your worst fears but there was no uplift these communities seem to have a zero tolerance policy for optimism she likened it to some deeply unhealthy transform she used to visit where people just wallowed in their own dysphoria and I remembered the forums I researched five years ago in preparation for my video on gamergate if you don't know what gamergate was i will not rob you of your precious innocence but in a lot of ways gamergate was the trial run for what the alt-right has become these forums were full of angry guys surrounding themselves with people saying you are right too angry and yeah if if everywhere else you go treats your anger as invalid that scratches a niche but I never saw any of them calm down like they came in angry and they left angrier and most didn't have anywhere else to vent so back they came I found a paper on all right forums that described a similar type of nihilism and another on 8 Qian what humor was on these sites was always shocking and furiously punching down and deeply self-referential but it didn't seem like anyone was expected to laugh anymore just you know catch the reference I found one testimonial saying that having healthy relationships in these spaces is functionally impossible and one former I talked to said yeah when the alright isn't winning everyone's miserable so I think it might fit the place that go for relief also makes them unhappy so they come back to get relief again and it just repeats same reason people stay with abusers I want to look into this further so I'm just gonna say this part to the camera if there are any researchers watching and you want to study this get at me innuendo studios on Twitter finally I read alt America by David I worked a supremely useful book that I highly recommend if you want to know how the alt-right is a natural outgrowth of the militia and Patriot movements of the 90s and early 2000s not to mention the Tea Party my word also does an excellent job illustrating how conspiracism serves to fill in the gap between the complexity of the modern world and the comparative simplicity of the might makes right worldview of fascism night-work also provides an interesting piece of the puzzle suggesting what people are actually looking for when they get recruited he references work done by John Bargh and Caitlin McKenna on identity D marginalization bargain McKenna looked at the internet habits of people whose identities are both devalued by society and invisible and by invisible what I mean is okay if you're a person of color our society D values your identity but you can look around a room and within a certain margin of error see who else is POC and form community with them if you wish but if you're queer you can't see who else in the room is queer unless one of you runs up a flag and revealing yourself always means taking on a certain amount of risk that you've misread the signals and the person you're revealing yourself to isn't only not queer but a homophobe according to bargain McKenna people in this situation are much more likely to seek online spaces that self-select for that identity a fan forum for RuPaul's Drag Race is maybe a safer place to come out and find community and people tend to get very emotionally tied to these online spaces where they can be themselves nightwear points out that the same phenomenon happens among privileged people who have identities that are devalued even as they're not actually oppressed say nerds or conservatives in liberal towns or men who don't fit traditional notions of masculinity they are also likely to deeply invest themselves in online spaces made for them and if the far-right can build such a community or get a foothold in one that already exists it is very easy to channel that sense of marginalization into Durden syndrome I connected this with Rebecca Lewis's observation that the alternative influence network tends to present itself as nerd focused life advice first and politics second and the long history of reactionaries recruiting from fandoms so I can see all the pieces of this abuse dynamic being recreated here offer you something you need estranged you from other perspectives and healthy relationships overtake your life and provoke emotional distress that makes you seek comfort that only your abuser is offering I found a lot more parallels than what I'm sharing right now I only have half an hour but the thing that's missing that's usually central to such a system is an abusive relationship orbits around the abuser a cult around the cult leader a totalitarian government around a dictator they are built to serve the whims of an individual but I look at the ad hoc nature of the alt-right and I have to ask who is the architect I can see a lot of people profiting off of this structure our current president wrote it to great success he didn't build it it predates him it's more like Kimmel's hate groups which don't promote an individual so much as a class of individuals but even then their structure is much more deliberate designed where the alt-right seems almost improvised well one observation I took from Stein is that cult recruiters often rely on two different kinds of propaganda the winding diatribe and the thought terminating cliche the diatribe is when someone talks at length sounds smart and seems to know what they're talking about but isn't actually making any sense and the thought terminating cliche comes from robert jay lifton studies into brainwashing so when I went vegetarian in middle school I would sometimes tell other kids I was vegetarian and sometimes they get really defensive with me and say things like humans aren't meant to be vegetarian it's the food chain and now saying it's the food chain isn't meant to be a good argument it's meant to communicate I have said something so axiomatically true that the argument need not to continue that's a thought terminating cliche something that may not be true but feels true and gives you permission to think about something else both of these techniques rely on what's called peripheral route processing so I'm up here talking about politics and solidarity Lowell you are a group of politically engaged people so you probably have enough context to know whether I'm talking out of my ass that's direct route processing now where you can judge the contents of my argument but if I were up here talking about string theory you might not know whether I was talking out of my ass because there's only so many people on earth who understand string theory so then you might look at secondary characteristics of my argument the fact that I've been invited to speak on string theory implies that I might know what I'm talking about maybe I put up a lot of equations and name-drop a lot of mathematicians and claim they agree with me maybe I just sound really authoritative all of that is peripheral route processing judging the quality of my argument by how it's delivered every act of communication involves both but if you're trying to sell people on something that's fundamentally irrational you're gonna rely heavily on peripheral route tactics which is what the winding diatribe and the thought terminating cliche are now I noticed that these two methods mapped pretty cleanly onto the rhetorical stylings of jordan peterson and ben shapiro but here's the question cults use these techniques to recruit people but can I say with any confidence that jordan peterson and ben shapiro are trying to recruit people to the alt-right the thing is all right isn't a term like Klansmen it's more akin to a term like modernism it's a label applied to a trend in the same way we debate the line between modernism and post-modernism we debate the line between right and alt right people don't sign up to be in the outright you are alright if you say you're alright but the nature of the alt right is 90% of them would never admit it so our Peterson and Schapiro intentionally recruiting people to the outright are they grifters merely profiting off of the alt right are they even aware that they're recruiting people to the outright part of my work has been accepting that you can't know for sure I think it would be naive to say they're unaware when they give speeches they get Nazis in their QAS and they know that but how aware are they I suspect Shapiro more so than peterson but that's just my gut talking and i can't prove it like 90% of the alt-right it's debatable i don't know if they're trying to be part of this system I just know they're not trying not to be final academic term before we say goodnight that's been making the rounds among lefty youtubers is stochastic terrorism there's a really great video about this by the channel non-compete called the PewDiePie plain stochastic terrorism is the myriad ways that you can increase the likelihood that someone will commit violence without ever actually telling them to you simply create an environment in which lone wolf violence becomes more acceptable and peeling it mirrors the structure of terrorism without the control or culpability and I hear about this and I look at the recruitment structure I see approximated in the alright and I remember something I learned much earlier in my research from Bob altameyer in his book the authoritarians altameyer has been studying authoritarianism for decades he has a wealth of data and one thing he observes is that authoritarianism is exerting the is the few exerting power over the many which means there's two types of authoritarians the ones who lead and the ones who follow turns out those are completely different personality profiles followers don't want to be in charge they want someone to tell them what to do to say you're the good guys and put them in charge of punishing the bad guys they don't even care who the bad guys are part of the appeal is that someone else makes that judgment for them so if you can encourage a degree of authoritarian sentiment in people get them wanting nothing more than to be ensconced in a totalus system that will take their agency away from them putting them in the orbit of an authoritarian leader but no leader presents themselves can you just kind of appoint one like if you don't have a leader can you just find yourself an authoritarian and treat him like one and if he doesn't give you enough directives can you just make some up and if you don't have recruiters can you find a conservative who speaks in thought terminating cliches mainly just because he thinks they win arguments or find a conservative who speaks in meaningless diatribes because he genuinely thinks he's making sense and then maneuver those speeches and videos in front of the people you want to recruit if you're sick of waiting for Moses to come down the mountain with the Word of God can you just build your own God from whatever's handy every piece of this structure you can find people algorithms and arguments that put in a sequence can generate disorganized attachment whether they're trying to or not which makes every part plausibly deniable debatable you just need to make it profitable enough for the ones involved that they don't try to fix it this is a system created collaboratively on the fly with the help of a lot of people from hate movements past mostly by throwing a ton of against the wall and seeing what sticks the alt-right is a rapidly mutating virus and the web is the perfect incubator it very quickly finds a structure that works and it's a structure we've seen before just a little weirder this time I've started calling this stochastic totalism now again I'm not a professional researcher I do my homework but I don't have the background I have an art degree this is something I can't prove so much as a way I've come to look at the alt-right that makes sense to me and helps me understand them and I got a lot of comments from my last video from people who used to be alright that echoed my assumptions but don't take it as gospel mostly I wanted to share it because if it can help you make sense of what we're dealing with I think it's worth putting out there thank you [Applause] [Music] you [Music]

Channel: Innuendo Studios

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Keywords: alt-right playbook, innuendo studios, alt-right, ian danskin, lecture, solidarity lowell, politics, attachment styles, stochastic terorism, totalism, cults, conservatism, abuse, attachment, racism, bigotry

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Length: 36min 0sec (2160 seconds)

Published: Mon Dec 02 2019

Reddit Comments

[u/sewious]

This series on the Alt Right is really excellent. It's probably my favorite thing from breadtube, as the information I've learned from it has changed the way I interact with the alt right in a constructive way.

[u/DroneOfDoom]

I pictured him looking a lot younger.

[u/Vitztlampaehecatl]

Honestly I see elements of this kind of relationship in just about all outrage news, from Breitbart to /r/LateStageCapitalism. Not to be all both-sides about it, because one is certainly more justified than the other, but honestly I just feel like once you've got the picture, you probably ought to stay away from news unless you're aware of that cycle of coming back to the same place for both comfort and outrage, because it can be addictive.

Edit: there's a reason why the saying goes "agitate, educate, organize" instead of "agitate, agitate, agitate".

[u/stiggpwnz]

!Listen

[u/Revolutionary9999]

I CAN'T BELIEVE I MISSED THIS!!!! I LIVE NEXT TO LOWELL!!! I'VE BEEN TO SOLIDARITY MEETINGS!!!! BUT THEY DIDN'T PUT THIS UP ON THEIR EVENT CALANDER!!!!

[u/Lord_Juiblex]

I love breadtube.