[EN] OG vs Evil Geniuses BO2 - The International 2018 Group Stage Day 2

[Music] and here we are back after a short break with eg versus og this proves to be well hasn't proven to be looks to be one of the better series for today yes and it's not just about the quality teams tell us about the fan bases I think there's gonna be one of the more contentious you got the EA the sorry the NA versus the EU you've got like the the og brand that's kind of coming back doing really well versus the eg brand that's also in the same position you got the drama of fly and s for leaving og this match has everything this is like the meme match of the day for sure and it also means big stuff in terms of Ti you got to get your wins and you got to win your groups and you got a place well so top story Lions top mean value in terms of the dota though like you say it also feels like it could really deliver these teams are both be on the rise eg who looked like you know the third best na team for a while now no longer looking like the third best in a team it and it looks like they're back where they used to be Vijay Storm have also elevated their player I think of looking similar to eg but it's no longer that eg is playing back they were looking really good oh gee same thing dominating Europe easy qualified for them and have looked pretty good even on the Germans they played outside of those European qualifiers yeah the that we did catch one of the og series yesterday and I would say their first game they looked really solid and competitive against liquid just outplayed late-game by better a better team basically Game two they got kind of stomped all of a sudden and it was like the game ended pretty rapidly so slightly disappointing performance I think for og fans yesterday but still look like a around 8th place team maybe on og side as probably I'd say maybe has could go higher or lower depending on how they stay as a pattern team so far they finished they won with one win and three losses which sounds bad but those losses were to liquid and then the draw was against someone else could LGD I want to say yeah which is super respectable actually especially if you don't watch those two liquid games I think it'd be very easy be like oh one of them they got stomped in the other lost like totally they did that but um yeah I would absolutely agree og is not bad it'll be interesting to see if they can do well against eg I think it's our first easy game right yes in terms of OGIS group they're playing probably the three strong Steam's first like yeah that was a liquid eg would you think that'd be good confidence wise be like get the hard stuff out of the way then but at the same time like you would almost want it maybe you want to wait until you can see their met or really well and then take some crucial wins perhaps later in the groups I think it's that never feels good just like if they go into day two and they're like where one in three like this is where we have a losing record that doesn't feel good even though you know even though you can tell each other look we played the two two scariest teams on group because then you also look at LGD I think lgd's record is like three and three it's actually not that amazing yeah there's some teams in this group who or actually you know like VG who like you're gonna stay and you're like okay we're under three let's get some win state oh we got a verse eg whose first place in this group yeah I mean it could be that some of those live teams like LGD are really just like a you know fifth or sixth best enmity I rather than the expected two or three maybe one so I don't know oh geez can open tiny this is definitely one of the years they favored a lot in the last couple days for multiple reasons some gives you map pressure with shadow blades blink Tigers things like that the laning stage seems good and it gets a lot of matchups and you can also hit buildings which seem to be useful for them so bill will played around Anna played it sometimes top some play two other times just feels like a good opening for og that's fairly safe boys a team that's kind of value those flexible heroes second good multiple lanes which is exactly what tiny bring to the table eg they're gonna get the necro well they get the shadow demon with it because I don't know if these Western teams value that as a counter to the necros much but that's exactly what we've seen out of China in a few games where you don't wanna give shadow demon when you pick that grill I would say it's not the most typical hero for og I feel like I haven't seen them play it very much um usually in hotel sitting to a more self-sufficient support with the exception of his enchantress game that was a little interesting played very well so I'm sure they can absolutely handle the hero but I feel like they'll focus on something a little different is my initial hunch but who knows the meta will always change a lot of their other comfort here's a gone though pugna's out that's here that they played across all positions very often said playing that played very well tops into the qualifiers was a big fan of the poke down and eg going something a little bit more expected prior to the turn around like a cm necro opening um look seals weird on day two to me but day one this looks like the normal opening at least it's fly as well after all one of his most beloved heroes next to the Phoenix probably in the clinks can't forget about his clinks and should be pre good fit though or definitely nice for the necro and will be something that their future heroes can benefit from pugna ban makes a lot of sense when they're gonna be going into this necro picket here comes the necro counter it's the article that opting for this over the shadow demon yeah very similar idea where you can block the damage from the ultimate you have a purge for the growth shroud and just generally seems like a decent enough strong five-position lady hero even fates edict against crystal maiden can be pretty good some of those times where SEM is popping an ulti and you don't have any stuns left and keeping at least one of your cores alive could be really useful there we have the necro counter aspect is it was really useful in the last game we just covered the newbie versus vici gaming match Oracle was very good a little weak in laning stage kind of weak pre 3 once you get three starts getting online level 4 Non where it's Oracle's a pretty solid support I think it's most likely to be no tailplane it like I definitely see jerax for Oracle as well just is gonna have some gank issues later so I imagine it'll be a 5 for og over here so bands we've seen alchemists here that eg was using successfully in their mid lane and eg taking their time maybe thinking about kicking a power supply over by themselves a couple more seconds the I don't even know if that was newbie or vici I know my brooch on the ones who did who's lost a power ok kick there kick there allegedly kick their policy that's the one strat yes we're losing is connected you know we got to remake the game good old days enigma ban I'm actually comfortable I like watching enigmas but after that last game I'm gonna need a couple days off I think maybe maybe a couple matches off till I want to see another enigma game she was just too painful we live in where og are the ones banning Alchemist I guess so yeah I mean it was definitely one of their their power heroes I mean everybody talks about the illusion advantage that they they always really liked and they did they did pretty much directly with all their major ones they directly resulted in nurse to illusions hitting building absolutely that was even pre Shadow Demon Days would the outcome is specifically because I was here that seems like you know fourth or fifth picking to win games they were just oh gee were like we're gonna first pick it mm-hmm and it's always good yeah but uh sumail played alchemist in day one so I think it's something EG of showing that they like to play it was actually an alchemist with clinks and ursa very unique draft in terms of the core here as they had but no alchemist no clinks as well some of the cool things about a lot of those heroes that are trying arena like links and nurses that they do have the potential have really strong matchup wins maybe I'm just thinking a lot about lanes and match up wins right now so maybe that's why I feels like it's more prevalent but it does feel like that's so much about heroes right now so that's why they're trying so maybe I'm chicken-and-egg in my explanation here but I like the Ursa pick it's good against tiny in lane I felt like we did see a lot of tiny versus Ursa I believe yesterday when og played liquid but it felt like it was decent both ways it's like obviously iris is very good in lane against hiney but if I like at the right time tiny can show up and chain stun and her so for like two seconds basically with a life all up and just kill them so did you feel like the matchup is it doesn't feel no yeah I don't think it's like oh yeah gonna be a great counter you know Ursa has a game because he's against some melee core which you know it's way better than bursting here you know you're not getting kite it around but like you say time he has his moments where if he gets the initiation off and catches Ursa out of the enrage he's gonna just blow them up so we'll see how it pans out so maybe one place that og is not limited in their Lane matchups no I mean they don't want to lane against the nurse so all the time I meant I'm sorry different team but you know the blue team's that will kind of blend together but but tell me I did a really good job in laning stage I imagine Yugi can do the same thing clinks Ben Weaver was the other band as well so probably Weaver been expecting the Ursa pick I would have to guess we were very good against CM to arguably frostbites a little annoying obviously but a lot of cases he'll just kind of shake that off and finish off the CM kill so oh geez other expected heroes so it feels like most of the typical ones are gone go first Center it'll be Sub Zero yep how do you really like sent or why would you say that is because they were skiing a band against them you know they ran along the qualifiers or at least a few times that's I guess that's kind of a good question the heroes decent win rates I mean my weather vane was kind of based around Suns fan always complaining Center was bad but he says when rates have been fine he can lane well if he gets a Lane advantage you know the right right usage of your ulti can be super amazing for helping you escape fights I think in the case of being against on a dime it's pretty nice have sent our tree drops tomb in the right situation maybe if you can disengage you do take that but it's maybe another pair stun the stun thing as well another blink hero he can get stuff done stampeding also here and bad spot you know never get away from that until he gets mastered yes I love undying as well as a hero it's one of my favorites playing pubs right now very good at winning lanes um should be good against tiny Lorien his damage lowering is HP and melee heroes against tomb is gonna be a bad time and tiny just has really bad attack speed anyways in a lot of ways maybe that's one of the reasons that undying feels so good in this game yep so the offset by Oracle's disgustingly low be 80 perhaps it's like 1.3 or something the Oracle does how fate seat could be helpful against the Earth's of this game although anyways let's true spell it off I guess we there's ultimate that could force like a very early ultimate a lot of times he's gonna pop it oh that's a G hero and also of new so kind of interesting this game where do you see the value it doesn't necessarily counter anything it can elongate the game you can get some like magnetic fields but you're up against an irzu's melee so most the time it's not a problems they I think just feel it's a strong hero that's I don't think it's like any like oh it's super counters anything it's pretty good for killing tomb you've got to see the the tooth the double hero you get the attack speed you've got good range particularly if you go for a dragon Lance bill which I think we're seeing this more like fighting maelstrom dragon lands no mine definitely shadow blades but blink daggers become quite popular because you go for this blinkx later on really so they're skipping - I feel like when I saw the club's a couple days ago I was still seeing Midas but I can see the benefit of skipping it first yeah I've seen a lot more no midas on our warden at the summit a few players are doing and also like some of the pros i've seen in pubs as well is there has been some mice and then some who just go straight my bedroom and I guess some some of the weaknesses that he has these matchups should be a little backed up by or Clyde their way cuz that's kind of the scary part of our corn is when people get on top of you it can kind of just be your death but if Oracle's sitting behind and he has two ways to cover this ulti and a second skill maybe that'll be enough for our cordon to be valuable here interesting they last night and folk who they're actually expecting Lee support tiny something Gerak's could play theoretically yes I think I've seen that before Hobson's invoker has apparently been doing very well I think I heard somebody talking about it yesterday but it's this fantastic heels that cross wax often be banned against them like very early on I'm actually surprised you'll see it in the pool by I guess there's no when I commit to your made that early on in the game brood would be in great counter pick to the arc warden in a lot of ways so that's yeah not gonna be coming out although I did hear what was the somebody wasn't mid tiny against brood and went one one four I believe and would throw the tree to one shot all the spiders nice oh maybe there's a solution there but I didn't get to check the full leniency just heard about the yeah you have the tiny but have you played that matchup before and if they're running support tiny well you you're picking a corn you don't you can't just somebody say oh wait tiny you're back to a core and run a what scent or support or something that's a little flexible there so we're looking at probably it tops in hero and I feels a little bit more like a narc word and player to me than Thompson perhaps but I'm sure both can handle it our Corden is like one of those slightly weird heroes maybe he's too boring now cuz I didn't build has been so static for a long time but I want to see some I wanna see some top some cheese speaking of which he's really let me down with the voice chat lines I really thought I told him up a lot with this hero chat line I have not seen very money maybe his team filming the focus or something so they go into yeah I'm not sure maybe something changed okay windranger and it still leaves that question mark of who's actually the maid in the support its but I've seen Thompson play this but you know for position win ranges being a thing at least he was for a little while it's really good this game you're gonna Sanderson he definitely doesn't want to buy a monkey king bark almost always it's gonna be like blink into a basher or blink BKB basher if he's gotta throw mkb in there that's gonna be a bad time although works the answer artwork too but either way if it's a Corwin Ranger it feels even stronger if he gets like a hood or something like that I just feels like he's unkillable this game unless he gets like didn't leave enough stun so they came to stop them from using wind run for God's sake you know the wind Ranger feels excellent here if they can make something like support tiny but either way support when Ranger I think is also still good I like to pick here yep leaves me a flexibility if they want it see what eg last pick I want to say probably su mails here with the neck around the off flame but Necron dying just sounds like such a pesky annoying lane that is very hard to go up against but doesn't have to be mad you don't want something to there it's gonna be so ok good again circle one you can gap closed you can get inside the bubble take away that evasion and theoretically has a good good enough chase if it is a win Ranger core can jump the Oracle in the back lines as well since he's the guy that's gonna save people so you can anytime you can get straight on top of the save hero is always very nice I'd say it's uh not too vulnerable too tiny in most cases either like yes he can do some like combo burst damage stuff but as a whole most of the time you'll see it coming and then against one Ranger kind of the same thing you should be able to predict shackles I think this is certainly something that they needed although I don't know if I can enjoy this game any more I'm kind of physically ill looking our TV set that hat is just it just breaks it just breaks the game too much margin no it's ruined I just can't a cosmetics scene it's a thing of beauty you don't like cowboy or sir I don't know I'm not sure I'm not quite sold on it yet it's just a little tea at the cascara and and the Hat it looks like a little teeth necklace I love the compare pilgrim it's kind of weird he looks like a friendly he looks like a guy would enjoy having a drink within the bar so ok where's Noble or sigh gonna go near that guy he's been scary ok it's like less scary version of worse he's a radiant here you know he's a he's a nice guy space damage is low I don't know if that matters at all but yeah maybe it influences you I mean talk about the storm being pretty good pick it's also a sumail storm so it's going to be it's a great pick any time you can get sore mint smells that's true and the other thing I'm looking Anna's plane sent for this is a carry center now in we went to this turn on Toronto's a Red Bull thing it was like a show match against immortals one of the games when og was up to one I believe they picked Pudge safely in for Anna so he's got some experience with some atypical carries with and this is this is ti so I had a lot of confidence from seeing him play that weird here as a carry I think he did a really good job I could see him doing something just like that was centaur just very different that is yeah something else and he lost that game by the way but yeah it was okay we'll see how this the safely in Center does actually takes me back to when a s-- of secret fame he used to play in a old danish team he used to do this safely and carry centre back when like I think it was Manta lusion the return worked on them so you attend Mantell illusions at towers he would go like radians bleak Manta actually don't thing you'd even get blink and just kill every tower on the mat so it was that like Manta abuse because that was just like broken I wish it was still there I just wish that the damage reflected was a percentage based on like the illusion you I feel like that would be better they are going for a smoke career a little abnormal actually the way that passes but RTZ he was an inch to the left here this could have been him spotting any time there's a toss for it and now the stop all this reminds me of the good old days oh the tiny centur it strikes again they tip him before the kill said had that quick that hurt me alongside it just brought back all this negative emotions like the Tusk ascent or and the I don't I don't remember when tiny centaur got really popular but it felt like maybe like right after Center got super buffed with Sanpete or whatever is when it got popular again but who got first but ops into the mid player grab in that first foot gonna grab a a massive circle that's gonna change the laning stage in a big way and free sent reward from his wall good start for them can they grab two bounties as well it looks like it on the downside Gerak's is gonna have toss level one it's not always the best thing will be a minimum fight at the bottom and the top bounty runes here another toss some throws accrued after him is creep gonna be okay is the crystal maiden bit just made a lot scarier than she used to be a level one with this crystal Nova so they got to always be careful about the toss back to tower range something they're gonna try to abuse it for sure top lane the bounty runes did go the way of the VG but a bit of harass going both ways as I'm dying got three decays off but took a lot of damage yes to blow damaging first even with a stove shield I'm kind of surprised how much damage he took here but this seems like a really good way to deal with the central runners have put to put a net Grove because you nerds Mahlon arrow if he goes for our last a to deny you're always gonna get the death pulse and Oracle's not gonna be able to really sustain trading with the undying very welfare I think they had to have been expecting it to and they pick Center that it was gonna be an offline Center so something yeah hoji likely new is coming their way but still feel good about this Center safely I mean maybe Thompson's gonna do some amazing things here mid you never know smells already pretty low HP Thompson's picked up this level to here it's gonna go for a little bit of harassed and a little creep he doesn't want to take damage from the flux luckily it goes to the range creep I was really close I think it does target whoever's closer I don't think it's like a random or anything but okay maybe attack speed slow actually from overload was huge there 50% if you get hit by the overload stop some wasn't able to get that attack off in time I think worst players that somebody would have died there for sure but both players realizing kind of the limits of their hero another self coming out for our Gordon I feel like I just want to watch this mid lane I feel like some crazy stuff is gonna happen here but see I still being harassed on the bot lane the winter Ranger tiny dual Lane certainly gonna feel a little weak with tiny this is one of the negatives I mean they got first blood but having tosses got to be so bad but at least they do have a range kurta form here so that I guess this is the what he traded off having a cent or it's better to Lane Mansa necro than is leaning against Ursa they should hopefully know that you know this mid lanes going better than otherwise would be going because of that extra stats blasting potential with the almost second pseudo rate ban from Thompson Singh Stan eg with a good cs5 advantage in all three lanes across the board the lane set up are you strung from them and Ty Lee because yet tiny did not have that level in tree graph I would say the lane will seems to be going well for og though I mean they're the resting RTZ a decent mount having one ranger versus versa means a very low chance that it gets a kill on the wind Ranger here on the tiny just got so much wrong to be this really he's probably find you there's a toss back again they're trying to win trades by doing this here but Jax knows that it's gotta be a little careful sub losing his one-run to really back in the fourth here top lane asking bully does he's got four CS he's be constantly decay is getting a lot of harassed on his way does have Sal needs make sure he doesn't get a cancelled and fly by the way suicide towers a little dance a new way to do it I mean you still give gold to your opponent's yeah but it's I guess a small enough amount though it's not 130 42 that number is definitely not accurate this is spread that 134 cross five maybe a hundred yards like part of a lasted basically yes hey if that's 134 goal for the entire team it's it's worth my - I know Febby from immortals we can always do this when he'd play like skywrath and stuff because it used to be you deny yourself to neutrals but now long respawn time made it not worried so he well let's get creative this suicide tablets I'm still doing a nice job here against us for knowing the perfect limits of death pulse it's very important that he doesn't nuke you while also healing himself when he gets those trades often what kind of wonder maybe if it would have been worth it having like an orb of venom or something but it's not quite the same on a ranger as it was before so back to regular stuff seem a level four twenty and five next top sins eighteen and for accordance so looks quite even at this point yes very very even give the first blood which means maybe a bit more gold in this market but also he's maybe sooo males happy city's going even even with that first but gold really good damage into smells two males got a bottle though so actually if whole really oh this is a weird bill one one three not normal yeah restoring she's been a lot of damage here Thompson big chase really cut back Thompson engine he's gonna almost feet away his life has the very fire but that will not keep him alive as two male kits the solo kill they're playing by the way definitely want the gun that without the arcane put yeah we're an amazing kill those low cooldowns here they're not done top they want hannah's while he's behind the tower out of region here post stomp here hits the undying as he runs past ok and crossing it did it get interrupted and it does have is trying to fall back to we may just be the play here I'm Dino for a solar if it didn't have too many units nearby unfortunately Adam misses the stunt completely as he used an offensive double edged as well look should be good bottom but storms shrine up here at the ball line me he's got the regen - yeah dude sumail is doing sumail things and it's a huge advantage for them arcane kill into a regen rune into some bounty runes he's having a fantastic studies good good the other bounty rune for his team and meanwhile top it was no tell getting one out of the four bounty ruse so three four three four one they're some more problems for OG and as a zone to center as this feels like a rough time for for OG with the mid lane Andy not bad like this still only about a level advantage for sumail but I mean that worth wise it's starting to creep pretty damn high up Mouse is having a fantastic time he's loving life here that the arc warden is not gonna have a game at all he's the most found here on the OG side and has at least gotten a decent amount out of this mid lane but it's just how wall sumail is doing and gonna keep on doing Jack's gone first stack actually with the Lark and we'll all curious about this power shots not the best eye clearing so it's a little interesting to me boy when I run to get out of here a little scary actually especially with earth shock cuz they just offset some of the winter and slow with earth shock that connection Jason for quite a long time some big pressure coming in tough though with the C group spawning eg pressure the lane dire side actually went for a pole which means even more time indistinct out to this tower and eg looking to capitalize with both Necker and undying playing behind the t1 tower does get the Sun up fly those who's gonna be a lot of damage straight he should be fine well snow till shows up the right times gotten even to it's gonna be close perhaps an escape on really low though this magic stick is mega value but at the same time he's also constantly getting her ass low and love that was maybe not intentional well intentional no sense he just didn't want I to here is how we're going to go down is there gonna be the nitesite does not look like Oh G can get in close and s4 gets the last hit for it this good chunk gold his way mid lane tops his green gone on here sumail once the solar kill it's gonna be close here the illusion may kill up to map it again who gets him he gets the kill on Thompson takes down sumail they're tipping female I don't know if that's a player you want to you want to piss off because he's a guy who's gone 0-3 or 0-5 will sing on storm and in five minutes and then turn the game around so I mean that was a huge kill 500 gold for tops and sumail loses 130 there and he gets about a level out of that so really nice grab room who really needed that considering how the rest of lanes are going now went all in for it but luckily Thompson had the tempest double and has also got points in his first and third skilled not getting any bang kinetic field it would not have really helped him when there's a storm on top of him and on top of that to Mel perhaps over extending thinking at these raindrops to block a lot of that magic damage yeah but all the spark rates I'm sure it's a lot of magic damage sources a pretty high HP on this hero so autumn lane it was a chapeau and TT the Avalanche the neutral creeps ejects tossed crate into the neutrals but luckily crit needed the power shot back admit though it's gonna be stone going in getting some revenge on top since no thank you tip me well I'm gonna get the kill back on you and even gets a kill on this tempest oh I was a big loss section 818 gold under the experience he's got the double dose it wasn't just the first initial kill he gets both things this Musco built on Ursa has been really effective and the other sharks always been a really local cooldown and we saw that I think ti6 I remember we ha beating sumail maid once with an Ursa versus melee hero of some kind but the duration is four out of five seconds so if you even if they have winter on and they can stop them from hitting you it's not necessarily enough time to run away because as long as he just keeps walking and doesn't attack well he chases you with phase he's just gonna keep an earth chock and eventually you're just gonna be too slow so it's it's a it's hard solution step also might need like a face himself to be able to get out of there time nicely play there's a ward there and he knows that he immediately things artesia get shackled multiple succeed he's so close he gets it from the creepy pumpkin before the Santos son RTZ nicely done by him he still could be in some trouble here the fates II think actually walk Eve is a magic temperature T's he turns gets a kill necro shows up as well to get a second : has gone down Jarrett's is being chased down as well as for can't keep up to him but they can go to SAP instead he's being chased down by sumail who has a haste rune that wears off but that's not gonna matter as he still got one overload cards these Sumerians have been so big necker's and a lot of trouble this time though fairy fire here with the one charges he's getting close to the creeps that meets the flux company quite as much damage be still will go down to that last pot grave creek going for the freezie field on coal but he's not the heresy n that he hoped to be he will not get any kills and we'll feed away his life but it's still ichi with a fairly sizable lead early on despite giving away a few kills there when chasing this is the Thompson urn okay I think I've yeah this is a guy that likes buying this item especially the spirit vessel on a lot of heroes but I think it can work really well in our cordon cuz it's another nuke that your tempest Deauville can use if you pick up the charges and you make a tempest simple I'm pretty sure that you have those extra charges so it's an extra 200 damage in these little fights and if you can keep your opponent separated taking flux damage and spark rate damage you're doing a bunch of news stack beer in charge there right right you can't use two at once you can sack with spirit vessel but not probably but but point being there's more than one here on a fight usually or you can earn wine and are now there yep exactly yep it's not a ton of damage but it does add up yep kind of interesting on it female centre he goes to the San Pete but he's already being caught by the vortex he's trying to hit us done yes don't get it just after he dies fortunately for eg you won't be able to get set as the second kill but they are quite happy with just the center elsewhere crystal Maiden goes down bottom top sin has gone in behind the towers you mentioned these charges he's looking to use them it's good flux off he does there's the offensive or and on to art easy the enrage any longer and he'll go down nicely played by OG with that aggression down in the bottom lanes even though they do lose center at mid yeah oh gee hasn't had any control over the top lane but they're definitely doing a good job and stabilizing mid and bought now Thompson Cena five and two whereas before it felt like he was just really significantly far behind still big net worth loss there's two strong cores on eg side and the only one that's any really good net worth on OG both centaur and winged Ranger having slow games and rough stats as for top is taking a t2 tower this is gone on his own it's not something you expect to see at 11 minutes in but no G have been too busy info debated my maiden bot lane like you said stabilizing these lanes that they just can't address top and s4 is punishing that back so rotating around one here that's really lacking is probably win Ranger I know Amy's not that far away from the earth so but I'm sure I'd love to see like a fast Malstrom here he's coming up phase afterwards I think is the right move faces sometimes really needed but he definitely is damaged otherwise focus are just is a pretty dead ultimate do it he can resume playing Thompson shows up as well with the fluxes on to sumail who's trying to hug his crystal Maine to take less damage oh great toss back here Jarek wraps around it and they get his for there's the old chat the busted he knows he's got s for maybe can they bring him down nothing on the damage yes well we'll give away his life here but jerks is going in a little bit too deep and we'll pay the price wait team got the great kill but it took a lot to build on across oh great toss back though the fact that you wrapped around there basically it's on a free blink dagger as opponent retreats someone round the ball lightning what's the free Power Shot I thought that was little spark Wraith following Chris main just a dog send settle down as og fullback shrine up together and then maybe look to make the next move five-man rotation here they're gonna smoke up all together and look to breathe gauge in man but you know that was straight up under Awards so you just can be ready for that see how they react baiting fly maybe more of a sumo really wanted to get that creep wave therefore I'll take care but that was a really that's a really weird place to have a word there has been some fights in that area of the map but nothing like really aggressive and they sell the tier 1 tower after all so they were a little unexpected have a ward there I'm not too surprising og ended up smoking ran out of that one award you'd expect to see like at twenty to thirty minutes just not 13 minutes into the game Derek's behind the t1 runs into the undying but gets to scout it out himself and won't get the initiation teepee coming in do they see this one s4 can you get tossed back once again right into Anna's son Derek's in some trouble here they're gonna blow up the neck hurts absolutely immediately jarred skinny poles promised to keep stuff live a little bit longer here Thompson's already got himself a double kill though with crits crystal maiden going down the Stampede use just to disengage Erik's will not be kept alive as it just wasn't quite enough Hill for him during the article ultimate bit defense so it's still a good fight first oMG who once again I love this pesky pesky necro though the way that they're starting these fights is pretty interesting like tiny is always in a wraparound position right ready to toss somebody back I'm just kind of surprised that the Necker went for that teleport there I think he Jie thought they could defend him better but they saw the tiny behind the tier 1 tower they put the - there this button no gonna be able to kill himself gonna take physical damage here but who's the clarity success he'll bit low on mana here and someone charges but it's gonna be here by the power shuts Rhine is available luckily Thompson still wants to chase this one the Spock rates being dropped that wasn't gonna catch - mail monthly can utilize this shrine and will deter oh gee from chasing any further particularly with those extra teepees coming in yes and ultimately delaying this until centaur gets a blink dagger is the goal for og right now they're definitely creating a lot of action tops and send a big net worth leader now making things better for his team you've been having tiny as its report 30% status resistance feels really good actually with as much HP zs yes he's got um small amount of armor and bounty runes being fought over fly once it but no they're not gonna force a fight here and actually could be in some trouble he does not have stamp it does have the hook to walk a bit damaged in sumail actually use a bonus mana to go for this one coming in from behind is art easy though and that's gonna chew upon no tell the stampy comes up it's too late Anna's dead to the Reaper and that's 46 seconds on the sidelines tops in now tempest double available may want to turn and fight this one has a full stop to do some chasing with his illusion I don't imagine he wants to go charging in it is actual hero and gather in this mid lane and try and do some extra harass well slow things down a little bit slowing down the push with those fields now we're getting down to the nya range I think at this point you're just hoping tonight if your ID and they should be able to do so they can lift fit I think they're worried about that siege creep sneaking a last hit in and it's all it's a lot of gold if you don't get that tonight it's like it's like a hundred 22 each enemy here and this could really add up oh yeah fortified now I'm gonna refresh anyways Tier one so point you so sumail he's prepping for his orchid nothing surprising there looking like they wanna die they do get the first shackle downs gonna get the tempest double as well can is full keep himself alive he's got the hood now here as well the arc Gordon the double four stops himself away really nicely played unfortunately it's gonna be Oracle and setting a lot of trouble very good gonna pop as whoa two male flying in from a father's looking for Thompson change Tiger went for seven set because you can get tops in as well as two male shows up from nowhere it was like halfway across the map and he comes in cleans up with a double kill Tiny's like what can I do here he's got the angle coming in from behind one small but doesn't have a blink dagger neither cuz the center and that seems to be a big issue for oh Jesus don't have these blink initiation I was a huge fight there the last like five minutes I felt like og head control but then a couple of good maneuvers arteezy coming from the back when they want to post bounty runes and now this engagement as well grabbing the heroes they need oh jeez having a little bit of trouble taking a great fight and it's Larry knowing this bro champion edge if you're gonna get ninja late sorry okay blink Tigers that's the issue here it's that they're they're able to do these like long range slow initiations like maybe get a toss back but that gimmick is work like three or four times to great effect but now they need like a blink stunt of some kind or a blink talks back yeah because now as long as eg has these less things to play around most of the big objectives are gone so now eg is more just kind of on the map and it seems like it's harder for og to actually play around it as a result maybe they weren't expecting to lose the laning stages bed but at least I've got the blink on Center or now they can start landing some initiations and get some follow-ups it's very much about a reliable consistent Ishi a Chinook there's something like a shackle trap you hit it it's nice but that's not always gonna happen and forces windranger to position yourself sometimes awkwardly or aggressively absolutely he's maxing out more shackle than winter run which i think is the right move just because there's a storm spirit you got a lock that guy down and get the kill and a longer duration it's gonna really help out their storm about to complete an orchid not gonna help him out against these aggression from OG with the plates and the stuns but it's gonna definitely help him out as far as finding kills on people biomart one like the wind Ranger or the Oracle yep that's ob5 almost the ideal target to go for first because any once you go to go on who's gonna get saved or so going straight blink faster like expected so you can end up getting some solo kills here haven't seen our TZ too often I feel like I haven't caught him in the camera much seems like all the action is always somewhere else then he shows up with the fight and goes off to farm again typical for him he's able to keep his farm level up minute it's a 3k gold advantage for EG it's moderate some of that certainly tower based but kills map everything so good good position for you yep we'll see whether oh geez eyeing off some kind of maneuver here yeah they're gonna smoke up this one not underneath award they've got okay vision and it's really just one observe award in the enemy jungle that's giving them some involvement as far as what's going on and no tells got two words to carry along hooking it is gonna spot them believe they saw for a split second they're farming that neutral camp this secret now and they get days to get that link son they put the water on the high ground here they go on the crystal main storm immediately can reach it with RTC pleadians what was the perfect shot go pong - who says well storm they melt but storm does have an aegis he's gonna come back for a second line piece of Luigi's still looking good he assumed ill on his second life goes balling it catches out the Oracle as well as Thompson's knock one on the backside Thompson he's just gonna trying to TP as here but he be he TP to the t1 what's he thinking he's being paint here crate gonna give him the tip it's a G's turn to turn it around they had to be tipping all game but they'll tip that one that's for sure that's steak he must have clicked the ground maybe he's his quickcast or something but he could have been in the fountain healing but ultimately again the same thing happens EG anticipates where the roam is coming from they smoke it now they get they get the scan detection and they just threw the the CM up there and I was how's this team not die he's got level 10 he has that he's a cloak he's got the health talent and he just tanks the nukes and they just go on the backline tombstone makes it hard to fight the shackle was great gave him some movement but with sumail - getting this far ahead now just so easy from the die for the backline like when sumail balls it in our TZ blinks in and they instantly get to Harry shackled you think the fight could go of better for G but the problem is soo milk goes in first because he knows he's got this agent so if they throw all those spells in him like they did fights gonna go fine meanwhile it easy keep pumpin rage so feet blocks all the damage so these two here is that good disabled for a huge-ass time accident doesn't win OG a fight on its own they needed more than that and oh jeez damage is still not very easy to do anyways like cuz I'm getting a two men shackle yeah you can do some like Avatar stuff but past that it's still a little bit of time until our cordons dealing a lot of damage he won four set first cuz he's against a storm he's going for a mouse from now he still hasn't finished it so it's like just they get great teamfights you saw the damaged issue they can't easily kill a cm on the high ground obviously there's gonna be a problem here and they might find Thompson hanger smoke breaks King gets the full-stop away but TZ even without the insta bash will easily help his team and two male get the losses on that kill so tough loss there one of those moments where his team is not really showing much on the map and as a result eventually e G's gonna go look for a kill somewhere and looking at the try camp was one of the more obvious spots and they had a little vision here as well from before so ended up catching the enemy no fun you're just gonna split out found multiple lanes and also try find kills on these multiple lanes sumail can kill almost anyone with his orchid bottom Lane or teasing killing us anyone they're gonna get the orchid initiation he falls too far in fact he didn't quite know SF was but he's got the backup from the CM and we'll still get the kill meanwhile bottom Lane and anis be careful RT z oo kxe blinks away from our T's whether TZ can follow it up with a blink of his own doesn't get the bash once again just not that far TZ who's now gonna get followed up by Thompson aren't easy does not have the ages blink available just gonna turn and fight and my he does can pre down well luckily for an additional back amount so keep on my life for sure big heels on him anyways and still a little scary but definitely still possible to kill Ursa once he finishes his BKB after this he's gonna be absolutely fine I'm sure it's look like he has some picked up just hit almost a blink tag around Gerak's to the lanius Age was a bit mediocre the early teamfights were great but you're definitely feeling the losses of having a support tiny in the last 5 to 10 minutes once they get the right-click items Malstrom is on the way for our quarry but it's just so hard to play against the storm this game he's he got way too much trajectory from those game fights when he got that double kill and stuff like orchid is just got a hard counter windranger for a long time normally you have a better trajectory than that's like a faster Malstrom you know faster BKB but he's just starting it now if they were hoping that this wooden Ranger would kind of have a more dominant landing stage but that just wasn't really the case subs found alright but hasn't really folded up with much and this being on the receiving end of several storm spirit Kings two male ten kills the 23 minutes of gameplay so far already very tough for them to human fights but at least they've got blink daggers now so that's going to give them more options to initiate maybe a avatamsaka to a sent or for example throw some of our position kill them at the start of the fight but kind of hard there's a lot of heals coming from either side there's a lot of survivable cores as well and s4 looking to and he does get spotted though by the spark rate and they actually blow event boys but it defended you'll scepter if he needs an ANA getting orchid it up can't use Sam he can't use his stuns at least not for now woolly survived during oh he doesn't there's a Reaper and he's dead 275 with Oracle also being in the shade on meant that there was no defensive play from the false promise or a fates edict eg wouldn't fight and immediately smoke up we leave s full bottom they had some Ward's set up on the OG side but it's so hard to prepare for that when you're against an Ursa in a storm spirit because they're just gonna jump in on uni don't have a lot of time to save yourself you need some like teamfight ultimate that slows things down and they don't really have that outside of like shackles or sent or stuns so some point who's gonna hit the towers they don't really have that either because they have a support tiny so maybe maybe without drafted themselves for a very aggressive smoke right after those kills got all the way on the other side of the map leaving s full bottom I felt like that may have tricked Oh G into playing a bit defense not defensive enough in the top lane but very common for them to be playing around this anyways I mean there's a Tier one tier ones are hard to defend so yeah they probably expect there to be a ward there or something like that that was even dangerous for sub to go check high ground I once again smoking herb right underneath an observer Ward when he G smoked themselves they're ready for this one they're gonna they scan it though okay it's getting each other actually they both before - oh do you want to fight them head on yeah actually they're both teams smoked under what I imagine actually didn't see where eg smoke to throw in the high ground it not they were about here so I could definitely see it like that maybe thinking like well we have an opportunity but oh maybe we shouldn't smoke this is a really obvious in fact og aren't moving with their smoke to me suggests they saw it but here we go our team charging on it he goes in fuzzy flows the Oracle this makes this light so difficult for G and the shackle it does lying on the stone they do take down fella instantly by his back s for still looking for someone you go and has not got the Reaper still he finds that yours to cancel top and CP great usage of that tops it in some trouble he's inside the bubble is gonna get chased down while females buyback allows him to chase down winter range except hits the deck only Jerek surviving on tiny man it took them everything just to kill storm spirit of the deliver came here he wants the jacks kills demonstrations pretty low he's gonna have a toss maybe but dodging an avalanche she's got a hey stirring though he's gonna throw away two males not gonna go for it out a man at that point definitely his little sad about that we wanted the rampage I think I didn't get every kill actually put so eg I'll maneuvering a little bit in terms these fights Ursa just always find the Oracle I think you could definitely criticize no-tell for his position in that fight he was pretty close to the lip but playing around a tree would have been a lot better most likely that way it's not as easy for the view he needed to be the ones hiding in the trees like I saw Thompson in the trees in a nice little secretive position it is difficult because like storms we got bowling in and see people but at the same time was Ursa who actually went in first and just found me you found the Oracle so it's still gonna be a long time till Oracle gets that survivability and that's definitely been the criticism of the hero and the matches he's been in games so far is that if you are the five position you're playing Oracle it's probably hard like you you need to play a little bit less greedy I think is a five to make this guy work because you need a glimmer or a for staff or something like that like an item so it's not just an easy kill every time they jump you but no till exclusively is buying a lot of Centaurus this is super common form maybe Gerak's is gonna pick up some way now so you can try to finish those items but for now we haven't seen yet we do get a D award at least for notail putting a lot of centuries down eventually gets one taking away this aggressive ichi vision is gonna make life a little bit easier particularly against the storm who is just so good and adept at finding those long-range pickups money they here is a safe against that orchid full lightning jump and awkward and prepping for the hurricane right there she okay good work okay very good again so even if like Eartha jumps on his sport floor something using the hurricane Pike would be dirty push that guy 400 units away from wherever he's standing get him away from the team that's that's really what they need to do they need to take a fight where they can ideally initiate on their opponents which is hard centers not the best initiator and then they need to chamber somebody get some double shackles or something feels like they need a rabbit or something to like really want a teamfight AJ as far as these teamfights go have some force off some both supports like their mobility and ability that Kaito ji is gonna be very tricky to deal with for in the glimmer cape as well playing that for position CM so we get to see that a little bit extra accuracy went for the mana ecology on a lost talents as well she's a second time we've seen this with a storm though yes so mixes all of his mana goes so much farther so good I hear no tell immediate Falls promise when RTZ jumps him just knowing that you get bashed on any of those right clicks luckily he does not get bashed immediately and shemail gonna go bullying and use up his entire mana pool but with a double damage or he may be able to bring down sapien against it's done just someone with our cheesy BKB he dodges except gonna buy back and try and take this fight or tzp kpf out to where of can they XE chase for this one they don't have sent or who's that kind of key initiating factor the tiny may be gonna fill his shoes with his blink dagger but looks like they don't want to fight into the it's the 2/3 he's he gonna play the frontline here female just on flying on in this mana penalty chop it up still alive for now though and he's just been healed up as well he's just too hard to bring down bowling all over the place falling all over each OT who have bored dead only a windranger left alive who just bought back and none of these other four have buyback eg just stomping right now yeah they've had pretty firm momentum ever since they got over the the cheesy off the guy back kill the guy at a position thing just feels like og hasn't been able to stabilize like playing awkward and against a storm feels hard he's had to fight amaizing a weird way with the four step rush rather than getting a damaged item and then for every other fight after that which seems like their phones have teamfight advantage from tombstone and Earth's are jumping on people and necro getting a solo kill and sumail jump in it just seems a very hard road to take place the carry sent or did not get anything done in the laning stage it might get caught again here get him or will he stampede away it looks like he'll be pretty easy killed eg fine kill optic kill 35 in just 29 minutes with one team they once said as well without the Reapers oh that's me a little bit tricky battle okay nice Shack cool get out there with the shackle into TP those were a toll for absolutely instantly recognized him all at easy his he was trying to TP tough I believe and they don't cancel by Derrick's with a cheeky little flake toss but it's the game feels pre-emptive motorcyclist is trying to kill off some tempest doubles now it's actually crazy with the CM aura and the Kaia just how low-cost storm spells out it's 26 percent total 24 percent total yet okay Paul's math going on here you chased up Nutella top elsewheres and wonderful time I know we're gonna stay here don't worry about that stuff okay Thompson - Oh life okay okay that's important support action we're all about it top somebody is I mean it's a 21 K gold advantage at this point it does not look good or possible to win for OG at this point I mean that they're almost there close to doubling them and net worth still need about another 10k or so but feels like og doesn't have the damage they don't have a typical Perry executing is very difficult with the girls they have and it gets a good team they're gonna avoid that one more to his tally that's number 10 and tiny not in much better shape goes down and the voice lines coming out I imagine og know this one has a bit over and just trying to cheer each other up before going in the game again around very maybe a little hard to execute with her hero matchups but certainly the laning stage was the toughest part just having d'Alene a cent or versus a necro that does not sound fun but the girl if I'm not mistaken was the opening right they pit was that door in the eighth game and all senators that came out and they're like what we definitely can't lean versa against necro our against cent or so and yeah it feels like almost like a matchup they should have seen coming as far as the lane stage goes you know it's putting a hero that's gonna match up holy like Center in Lane against him is you know asking for things not to go very well yes not gonna go very well and the mid matchup I think went better for og then they may be expected but um off lane was okay not amazing that they got that tossed kill which is awesome for the first blood but it didn't push Hopson is like complete snowball victory and if it does then maybe it's okay but like then you have a support tiny with Hoss like all he was doing is like tossing the CM to the enemy it was like they got this first blood and he got a little bit of items out of it but it didn't given him a give him enough of an advantage in the mid lane to to really pay off I don't think his skins tiny definitely some nice movements out of the the tosses but in terms of the big picture of this game it's not gonna win you the games getting some supports even when it was killing the necro who was a fairly big kill you still to Mel who's had no claim this game did look like there was enhancing for him he was just using his entire mount in the ball in he end the game with like 60 mana regen per second he's just gonna kill off to kill 14 kills 18 17 assists he did 30k damage and what was a pretty short game yeah I believe this dive ended up costing OG really quite a bit - took him a long time to end up killing the Ursa here they just didn't have that much damage past spells and storm storms with runes or actually it felt like every rune was like a huge play from Smeal the first arcane kill he got the haste rune at like six minutes and got a kill he has another haste the region region was after the a in action and that got him bounty runes - and like the next haste it was just ruins were huge for sumail this game he though he had a fantastic performance yeah it's kind of fun that the mid lanes been brought back to this very much 1v1 status and now you know runes are a big part of that orc one not a hero that was trying to get her secure runes I mean part of it is the RNG factor but it's also well he had a hero that bought a bottle wanted to keep go for runes wild tops and he's not getting bottle he's not going for runes every room was going Smales away and just having a storm that was doing well like this it just made even fighting around the boundaries but this is the the fight that really kind of solidified Iggy's advantage where they put some nuke into the undying but then they ran away but it just wasn't in time or so was able to wrap around initiate their we also sold both Sentra and tiny splink scum up very late this game which seem to really them obvious that goes back to a lot of what we did talk about the bad landing stage but they needed those blinks online earlier which is kind of why centaur stopped getting played honestly it was that like you couldn't just do this offline thing and get some levels and kind of transition it's like if you don't get stability in your lane it is not very worth playing your hero so picking them this game felt like a big loss for for og because normally what people do is they'll go to the lane they pick up a fast Vanguard like on ax kind of similar playstyle and then they just stay in the lane but you cannot do that against an Ursa it's like impossible and even against a necro is really hard so it's like you never got the gold even get a vanguard in the first place so this I mean just kind of cascade after cascade but even if Topsham doesn't make a mistake he it was definitely very value sir matching up against two melee heroes in the tiny and the center and even Ark warden that's a pretty good match of ERISA because you can know me very easily get in the bubble so you want to be playing these melee carries often it gets dark warden later on he goes for hurricane pike but you know at that point RTC has a battery if he gets into the bash you may just kill the arc warden so artis he also did almost 30k damage that game he was just short of it and had a very high impact because I think his early game was a bit slower than shemales we saw shemail do more flashy stuff get involved but once the game kind of got flowing our teaser was there all over the places everyone on EG seemed to do that job this game that's where I feel like it's easy as a team look really solid right now because it's not like there's one or two players like stepping it up and carry the team it's like well who who can you even say played slightly poorly not I don't think anyway yeah I'm not quite sure what was the the last question I'm kind of curious about is what was the pick order thereof of the heroes because I guess we can't tell always win with in DotA TV but or within dota but yeah cuz where did the center come and I think was like a third pick or something there was a neck roll crystal Maiden I think they pick scent or something there's instantly nurse' I believe it was something like that and it really felt like the scent or kind of messed them up as soon as the Earth's that comes out and then they forced their tiny into support which kind of worked death it also didn't it just felt from there was they didn't have a normal team and the game was difficult to win definitely I definitely felt like og put themselves in a tricky spot with the draft but hey I've got another to go up against eg we're gonna take a break and bring you guys game number two draft number two between eg and og [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] it's time now for game number two of OG vs EG gods dreams purge and we had EG domination in game number one we did we saw some cool stuff out of G their draft was a little bit tricky we saw some cool tossed into center stomp first Bloods but you know past the 15 minute mark things started falling apart and then they fell apart really fast and I guess thinking about the drafts that kind of just felt like eg just nailed them with every major pic like halfway through to the end like the storm pick at the end nullified the ability for Thompson to go like a greedy item bill that would actually scale better the the centaur the Ursa to counter their the centaurum made their lanes Hart just felt like they they really thought this one out and they put OD in a bad spot yep we can really see I mean good ways of dealing with a necrophos either like what we saw in the last series was having those saves against the ulti but also like having a lot of magic damage or burst damage coming out as well like the dark willow type picks but that didn't really exist on Oh G side all that well yeah you know maybe you could also criticize the early Oracle snag like it was I think a useful hero certainly but it's like it countering the Reaper side didn't even matter really it was like they still had laning problems in a big way that was like by far the biggest laning advantage that I've seen in a draft so far iti so maybe they're thinking to make game to late game just assuming like our lanes are gonna go okay we can make this work but they didn't even get very past that just felt like safe land was completely dominated off lane went kinda poorly and mid lane was like kind of a wash so the Oracle made the one of the lanes kinda weak and then the the tiny support made the lane a little weak it just felt rough all over the place as for eg or eg fans I gotta feel pretty good right now but yes that was very convincing solid play all around sumail storm always a treat to watch absolutely dominant and the rest of the team also you know doing some really good stuff flashy plays convincing teamfights strategically look very good mm-hmm you know great moments I mean literally the only thing that went super well for og was some like toss Abuk throwback things for for necro course that when he couldn't defend himself well so that worked out well eg gonna banner themselves I don't blame them it definitely gives that the extreme leaning advantage in the right circumstances and does scale well as a hero mm-hmm oh geez still waiting for their last band wonder if that imagine does likely speak to something that he Gaea gonna be like pickin very early on maybe they want the tiny or something and don't have to deal with an Ursa because considered to hear that oh gee haven't really prioritized in the least on the same way eg have yes and is typically like a kind of counter pick to certain things which we're still in the pool that's what I feel like a lot of times you roll into TI you need to ban what is what is the best hero because that's always what happens I determine you roll up and everybody has to figure out like what is the most broken hero to play against I don't care if it's not something they played recently it's like everybody's changing so fast the TI was strat stuff to try to update as fast as they can to try to win as many games that like it's just not worth it if og doesn't pick the here you just ban it out I think tiny was actually banned as well so there was only that it's for that reason I think it's just they just value to hear of the pugna ban I think is targeted definitely something Oh G use extremely well and og also gonna ban on Phoenix they know fly likes it TZ like to get out of there yeah I think this is where actually the air Seban makes sense because both Phoenix and enchantress were in the pool so those two heroes both Canon by erisa on some level having the IRS's ability to kill the egg pretty well having beer Saiyan Lane as a decent match up against enchantress so yeah the eg no they're gonna get one of those two heroes so so have you seen that many enchantress yet we caught him in the OG games doesn't is it solidified as a support usually or usually a core in the three position role and the one we saw now Gow games was obviously the five it was still good but we saw a lot of the hero in the lead-up to this event at the summit it was played by all the teams in that three position role primarily and then right after the event got a big nerve it was like not on anyone's rate radar a super major and then suddenly just was like during pop play and drink some it became like topic yeah I think they they buffed his new trees attendance too much it was down to like they like raised the cool humble Lord the man at level once was like 110 mana on like a 35 second cooldown but they're like oh that's the self okay just pops out yeah now it's like 170 mana level and I think so at least you you have to spend a lot of mana to heal yourself in the circumcenter my mangoes are you can but aren't really reliable because you're you know if you're a three-position you can't really be popping clarity's yep so either you not that different draft opening in some ways no necro they go for enchantress instead to cover their bases a little since the counters are out and they still grab the CM just gave everybody man I helped them win the lanes even without cm aura I think they still would have stomped their lanes certainly but I'm sure it helped like especially if you're really winning your lanes and having the man on top of that to just give you Lane longevity it's like probably like the nail in the coffin difference I feel like so maybe maybe just a safe opening no matter what and I imagine a big part of what they like about CM is later on the draft they can pick storm they know they get that aura which actually buffs up this storm a lot so having a setup for a hero that you don't have to pick but if it's a good storm game something it's a great storm game pretty much no matter what happens seems decent in the lane at least um just certainly better than hero like Oracle from level 1 and onwards so Benj is on the up-and-up definitely want to hear is that's been talked about as somebody we expected to see streaking can be played off lane maybe some supports I'm not sold on it being one necessarily yet but her nuke search is really really efficient for damage dealt with her mana as an opening it also gives some synergy potential another Oracle this one not really picked up immediately we're like maybe a counter in mind like last game against the neck royalty but dis spells still good lots of magic bursts can cover allies save course still no rating ban either so it could be your wraith king pic anywhere in here top something I don't know if I've seen have these seems to be playing the race games remaining I don't think CJ from na have I think s4 was playing it day one maybe okay I feel like I saw at least one maybe that was just Summit talk but has risen in prominence really been liking NYX I think it was the serenity believers like first phasing it so seeing a second phase feels better to me like this is a great game against Oracle hit the backline kill like I Marana squish Avengers potentially squishy if initiated on from from inves so I think it's a good opening considering they like disable again RG gonna keep their faith remaining in the center it must be this combo this Oracle sent or they had the lane together the last game it didn't work maybe they just saying look that didn't work but we still believe it can work it's a new King Heroes to pair with Oracle if you want to do that same combo in the safe lane like you can you know you're not too scared of inch in terms of the untouchable the passive and theoretically the burst damage may mean that the heel isn't as effective as well yeah you could also what fate see victim to do double edges I guess would be kind of a fun little thing to do yeah but I mean it takes like level for Oracle usually because you want to get to in your new so it's just like a difficult to get to thing sorry I'm sorry Kevin I think you start again I said Equus slamma-jamma didn't you could you hear me that was that perfect impersonation yeah the specter pic looks good for eg for me because oh geez heroes are I see some synergy stuff that they can do certainly like they could also Oracle Marana I mean maybe that will be Oracle sent or they could do avenged sent to our Sun and it's done but it doesn't those aren't really heroes that are just Lane dumpster heroes and I feel like that's usually what you want to get suspect or just like really slow him down inside though that you have to go crazy gank in the mid game and it gets to top teams that's really hard to do last time they did run the Venge on jerax that I saw OG played it was like for position he went off Lane he spans his wave of terror he just kept harassing so maybe like Avenged Ronna harass Lane but will CCM with the Nova is a pretty good harasser as well and even the specter level one with that dagger against Marana we saw Murano get bullied ahead of lame because you got our first and you kind of want to get our first you don't have to go to leap level one but Specter is not a completely useless laning hero so I would say if they have like a bench Mirana dual Lane then like a venge stunned arrow is always gonna be good because that's definitely one of CMS weaknesses not high armor not high HP so if you do a stun into a stone wall right-clicking her she's always gonna super lose that trait to lose like at least three to four hundred HP which sounds ok against the specter maybe not so much harder to arrow in but I could definitely see that for sure the exam is exploitable in that way but if they put an enchantress against it and she gets he level one and she gets a heel off I think she's not gonna die but maybe think enough mana longevity they can make that work perhaps so we'll see what our G's last week's gonna be eg think it could be an alchemist so they ban that out and then they do pick the soul once again going back for it the CM with the storm given the aura as well as that level 15 talent and OG going with the tops in classic this time around or will it be Ana he's played it at least once this tournament already so it's not always the top someone I feel like it is I mean yeah they must think this is here they were there waiting to know he has a good matchup in store might say is a decent enough one yeah and again if you guys aren't very familiar tops and he's he's a new addition to og based on their recent partial disband and the guy plays a lot of interesting heroes and his sole accused so far at T eyes pics have been more standard definitely but Monkey King is one of those that he's been playing successfully in the past so I would assume that he's gonna know what he's doing here against Amell but again it's also cement storms so male should know what he's doing in addition so maybe he can get a lot of advantage there that would be a good a good find for them and it's definitely a core that can turn into pressure a pressure hero so some of the specters gotta be a little bit worried about I'm excited to see you know Thompson on his one of his signature heroes sumail on his signature hero obviously one of the best most mechanically skilled mid laners but tops in you know it's been an unusual matchup I don't know if she was gonna be have played this storm force Monkey King all too much so it could cause him some problems yeah I mean storm is a very slow hero he's like 280 or 285 or something like that Monkey King is more round 3 you three or five I think it's got practically can attack as far as storm spirit camp it's uh it's not too far off there but storm does have high armor at least so at least the damage that tops and does and the life still gets back is not as high yeah he's trading hits like particularly level one level two Monkey King has no armor doesn't trade very well that junior level one doesn't really give you that much life still even so we'll see it depends on its early items a lot of times from Monkey King it's like well I need stop Sheol because I've zero armor but I also really want orbit venom so they can have a Mumma speed advantage and get more hits but and you also can't afford both stout and orb and have a lot of regions so sometimes you just got out reach end it's kind of a hard gamble to to to meet here but one of those here is that wants a lot of those really small items and then you even want that your ring of Aquila so the small items really empower monkey king but yeah there's it's it's like which one do you value the most right now stable stuff what stout quelling guy sitting and he's got the even the slippers so we'll probably just see a fast a koala may even they're like boots a coal and just not care about the like over venom you mentioned as good as it is tip trading here gonna white I really like the yeah they do this so fast Oh Bailey clips it's full almost run out of that one here now they've got the right-click give it to Thompson he's got the last hit on it tops him the first blood mid same story as last game that's gonna make him a happy camper this is way superior to last game because last game it was a tiny that had to really hurt himself but this time venge has even skill two points so he's fine tops and gets the first blood again and just like we were talking about those early items are uh it's gonna be essential word it's pretty boring actually but who knows maybe blow matter he's queuing up a orb of venom Elise it's about seventy-five gold away from getting that just wants to have less high ground vision for his ally or his opponent I guess oh they actually found is the view art okay that's why I got the sentry I guess century to get the D award those a prediction play with most D words by 15 minutes I'm putting Thompson hey don't you're gonna make me jealous gentle other do that as the observer they want production value TI for some who needs i'm jealous man I want my I want my belt I mean my battle pass is already like level 1200 but I am it some reason I map lips I want to complete my achievements that's true you need this it's important so fast orb of venom is coming which means now he's gonna have this huge movement speed advantage against the storm spirits 285 versus a 300 movie speed hero so kind of scary for sumail Jarek bullying them behind the t1 top tower forces our TZ accident ep he scared them a lot their step wasn't even there but they didn't know about that because he just walked up through a wave and forced TP so he does an appoint a range group interesting they with the arrow I assume he wants to do this because he loves let some pressure their opponent a bit more less creeps to fight well ideas you push the wave and then you use this side pole but immediately you see fly once he sees that happening he blocks their big camera so if this big camp isn't blocked you side pool and you deny a lot of farm and get a lot of extra like experience II that makes sense wait Thompson influenza male training kit why did you see man that's the killer as well that was a really close actually he almost sounded up enough he would have lived without dying but Thompson barely getting enough damages so I like this luck heaven I do you've learned they kill sea mail they don't tip sumail they tip Thompson they tip the teammates you don't want to taunt email for the difference bad strategy doesn't work teammate positive reinforcement also comes back with full HP Thompson's at a mere 40% he does have a south coming as well as his uh his mill talisman or as a wreath man that is and now he's gonna have the second point in Jignesh that's a lot more value doubles the life steel and also with boundless strike you can get that big life still only oh wait big mistake from smiling I didn't see that one coming at all but he used the boundless strike earlier to get a last hit and he just walked up and slapped him a couple times definitely the lane to watch where CML is already struggling quite a bit here and definitely see some unfamiliarity with this matchup Thompson who considers the boundless strike he's gonna go for a lifestyle off the entire wave gets full health soo males down to nothing and he still as a self but man that's very costly in this lane a lot of last hits to go out this Lane Thomas has a haste rune as well that's a value road speaking of which anna is owning this game 13 and 2 and lastest but he's up against a Enchantress and a mix assassin so once he picks up quelling he can actually get last hits reliably here the lane will get hotter he's out of region and enchanted with a few levels gets a bit tricky to deal with crit do return carapace into an impale what a sick play for him they kill Anna down bottom they won't know till as well and crits got plenty of regen here planed I turn around he's playing around with him should be fine back at me tops in though has got that second bound the strike point and killed off sumail for the second time this game now Thompson's gonna be in his comfort zone we saw again at the the Red Bull and in Toronto where he had an insane stompy game it looked like he got so far ahead that the game was just over by 15 minutes and maybe we'll see something like that this game trying to line up an hour there but it quickly it was kind of blocking Seb so even if Derek's stand either cm or or the expector would not have actually set anything up that was really paint off miss lane to just more mana to cast spells yep and the dire side they have the CM aura but it's only doing so much that's actually a really annoying thing for Center that the Knicks can prop characters on return yeah actually any right-click he does instant curb with son very clever play from him down bottom and top laner easy csing not great 8 CS 15 CS on the Murano leave the storm who's actually managed to get some ok far but he's died twice so that farms are gonna be given away and Thompson is level 5 already with sumail just barely getting one before yeah the fact that he got three kills well 2 kills out of the solo Lima he got the first one obviously the fact they got 2 kills out of the slain before sumail goes the jungle is really really costly here maybe a little bit of the degree by Sam L think he'll play blame something we also talked about is that D Ward gives experience 100 experience I oh that's a glass half your way to level 1 level 2 and made us allies left so we got full experience full like speed for the D Ward which gave him a decent gold advantage and Expedia bandage old from that level 1 first blood Andy wood alright so if I'm sumail I'm just complaining that his team had to like five minutes smoke get him so far ahead that he could win lame that's the only reason I lost it's definitely the only reason but those those small things make a big difference in these mid won't be one matchups in this is definitely not like a entire reflection of what a pure 1v1 would look like between these two players and Hoover's one of the things I really like about Hopson is how how much he tries to affect the map like right now he just used his courier to do run faster went and looked for storms here in the jungle storm wasn't there he ends up walking back to base and tipping to the other shrine so it's like rather than just sitting in a pain is lame he does try to get stuff for himself sometimes open yeah oh they set the arrow nicely dodged jerks gonna go down and that means RTZ will get that bounty runo's OG do get three though you can see just how dominant of a Laney states they've had when they can get rebounding room a little scary here but maybe get a crit pill but lawn man oh yes no tell gets the killing male suit get out of this one he disarms the enchantress with the level up he's going for the denied not quite successful not enough duration on that face eating as Anna's gonna you know very s fall back to the lane cuz like hit me please I can't hit you cuz let me accompany you slows them down hey that's not for fun I think here that really was just bit of fun in taunting back at me it's an empty Lane top sea level 7 storm level 5 he's in the jungle he's not happy right now well the gun arcane that feels a lot better I must say the jungling efficiency would love to hit level 6 and maybe make some moves just so we can find some kill summer in the map there's motion around does he have boundless torque no he doesn't have primal spring yet seize him once you get a deep Ward gets one behind the t1 me ward the rest of the jungle as well suemez gonna run right into this veg stun give me a fortune to follow it up most likely can the X to get this kill they don't have the monkey king by don't know if they need him they merge off the purifying flames and they get the kill the second one there it is Thompson's in his own man oh you see why he tells kind of eel the fact there's a ward there here I'm not sure if they'll we won't be able to get this - looks like with the jiguan paper with the D Ward said alright he's online guys what's happening this is this is Thompson Monkey King man if he gets into this this play zone he knows exactly what his limits are keeps track of his opponents I mean it great rotations from the supports is low no D side to pick off a storm like that he actually went double right this is something you see on here is that often go for hurricane pike but monkey king is not going hurricane pike he just one of the exercise this reminds me actually so much of the game is so welcome bottom lane Anna Tovar under his tower for a second I missed the stun as he pokes his nose I now for all the good early game CS he had he is struggling now and losing his tower era will hit a seat cream he's one of the two seats creeps okay that's absolutely fine here um this is classic an inch things get CC great push towers ooh great cliff here it's gonna get a couple of that'll put the tower and deny range I don't know if they're gonna be able to don't know if that is such a great clip it's gonna get denied it should get it they would have paid there they're bringing everyone in down bottom so that it looks like the outer Nevada is no good mix last email almost died again he had to use all his mana to fall away from top sin but back at bottom they have gone in Herrick Creek kind of blocks it not sure if I was gonna hear that's far enough but he can say he saved his life there as VG getting pummeled in this early no pre-k event at this point is insane they know they're ahead and that EG is gonna catch up by jungling so they Ward everywhere in the jungle in the lanes yeah persistently awarding it's got to feel good after the first game where they just had lain in trouble sigh I've been taking a look at the offline very often lately so on the bright side arteezy's forty and six so he's doing well yep net worth wise it's not beautiful compared to the the giant net worth of Thompson but yeah the interesting thing is how his top Singh in a transition because even if he does have a really good lane it's still about execution that's one of the problems with Monkey King sometimes so he's got a turn that else turned this advantage into something while still pressuring the course and now the strong six he's more survivable here getting these kills are harder although if he does get chain stuns or fortunes and route follow-ups that could work really well well they actually didn't deny the ball Tower oh my gosh double damage Monkey King jumps on top of him takes him out feels like art easy as much as he's like kind of the carry on the spectre he needs to be using this hall as much as possible to help his team find kills like he's probably should be telling his team set up a gank for me and I will haunt and help secure them mid lane art easy though he's getting ganked himself so that that was an illusion I am pretty sure that was insane I mean did he already had Jingu mastery from the storm right so yeah so he yeah he still even has two left getting two little baby hits and like I died he's even have two points in dispersion and a knock well he's got high armor and survivability mail comes back maybe we can immediately be sent away from it Thompson is just unstoppable right now it's 2 K cold he hasn't spent it yet he's got the echo sabre queued up which is just this early game fighting item allows you to easily get those Jingu stacks it's really good in this position because you're playing against a bunch of heroes that are like pre-six usually so against like a cm by the time you get your stun off and hit somebody with a single time and an extra echo Sabre hit you're gonna your fourth proc off and very often get it killed yeah so it's huge for snowballing right now shadow was used Moran at bottom gonna get out of there as top lane they do look for any shade on that story against the heel although can they burst him before the heel really kicks in it doesn't look like that's the case in anaphors to TP on out the heels should be enough the appeal comes a little bit too late there's no does what get it off in time I don't know if you would go on the kill either way but it certainly will help blow up in the first haunt not giving them anything other than covering us for a bit good news Thompson bouncing around is being scouted by dire vision so they've got these boards there help protect themselves a little bit why we'll secure the other bounty room which Thompson immediately becomes aware of dope they see fly tp'ing in all right should be the death of the floor crystal made and found the strike is there sumail those coaches the regen buff so consolation he's gotten good runes for jungling that's for sure this one will be hopeful maybe they try to pressure spec again he's gonna end up hitting the jungle I do like how eg is kind of sitting there lanes right now they're putting s4 in the lanes that are dangerous if he just stays top killing him is hard and therefore killin metier when tower is hard they just I brought down but yeah putting s for these regulations is was working well then this Monkey King now has enough attack speed is also well as an echo saber to do it everyone godlike at 11 minutes this is the tops in classic it really is this is also the Monkey King like snowball classic like when you have that good Lane and have that good start he's impossible to stop and this is against one of the best players in the world it's just performance when Betty has got the kitchen because I was really excited watching him play Monkey King just like this deal today so so that they still got a stabilized somewhere storm is basically than jungling all game Specter has to basically jungle or staff Lane most of the time or at least go to Lane for his opponents aren't at and now finally they're able to actually deal with the enchantress Sam I straight forward he only has two points in untouchable but it's kind of hard to just get more in touch abodes crate around level 6 with the help of the experienced home is in a much better shape to actually set up ganks or even just scatter enemy heroes which in itself is valuable so but with these tower kills it's gonna be more gold being flooding planning to the support so no tales gas sentries bench has centuries they have ways to defend against this and start D warding the coal has to be free eg you gotta stop defending towers you know Nick's been dead one ish initiate bring in the storm now he's got trends that's all he's got for that's at least something that is completed you just finished it now twelve minutes in say no to oh geez tower pushes bring in the the specter haunt like once you have haunt me that's probably what you're waiting for that you defend the tower and you let towers go if you don't have one it's so hard from the friends are it easy still going multiple points of dispersion knowing that and getting ganked is by far the biggest danger here so taking some damage or gonna be forced upon us if you dispel that no you cannot that would be broken makes you defender would be useless unless you like take care like a brood so trying to defend a little they are slowing things down a smidgen but when the Monkey King comes things go little scarier it's an exercise always a haste rune he's a he said pastry I was very house like where's the money she can't buy yet it's a club this is great great little guy barely see him it's like one of those things that only if you play like a thousand games a monkey can they're like oh I can turn into a hey stream they run really fast this is fun let's use us you know sometimes you just get so confused by those things that it does give you that little fraction of a second to initiate any more trees crit check one side the Hulk gonna find one the other being pale oh he misses instead though it's Monkey King that got the bigger kill that's where our teaser was really going tops its streak has been ended by the storm we've got ourselves a game this is not over yet say eg you may have got this good early game stuff but all it takes is a killer to to punish that sumail of all people getting the last year so wonderful that's big picks up level nine still working on his kya though so it's not super independent by himself but he was playing around that me enemy jungle maybe got caught in trees that's kind of what it looks like looks like they ball light need to cut his trees stun them for four seconds I had to guess you got carapace as well by something maybe are you sure no that's that's from the bottom how about that snakes just kidding just kidding yes so once again same thing s 4 goes to lean that's dangerous is difficult the coolies got a dragon let's now helps a little and its course farm jumble again must be nice to ever see him if you respect her though in a game like this because killing neutrals is not fast so at least he has lots of mana to spam spectral daggers all the time yes yeah push out waves that little bit faster to just when you can dagger them do them at a OE damage why not yeah that's kind of a wake-up call you know as good as this game has gone and for Thompson specifically your God like it 11 mints when you die that's a lot of gold given given away he's considering the ultimate in mid art easy use the bomb yeah I feel a little cover there or maybe one other gear with the Sun that could have worked out again though it's crypto and the next is scouting everyone out giving in tell for the team valuable in itself you made this type of career that's gold for the team other two heroes smoke it's Anna as well as no tail shifting over they know that cores are on the other side of the jungle it's expected they're gonna find the support it's the the bounty where Institute very common play that we're seeing more and more of as these smokes and moves team rotations around bounty runes knowing that hey if it worst-case scenario it may just be one here but hey you'll take that one support you need to get three either way so yeah one kill three bounty is small advantage they're tops and still aiming to get a BKB when recognizing may as well just go straight into this whole opposed to Stampede just to run the hell out of here but really damage yeah gmail suddenly realized oh wait we can actually kill this guy the single value point of enchant is so good it's three and a half three point seven five seconds of slope I thought such a big slow 55% slice is incredible yep so top some push down top pushing a little towards farming more southern ganking the last bit of time but it is kind of hard to get kills it's like one of those moments where you you do a great job stomping your lanes getting some ganks off button because you're contracting the map so much your opponent's are just kind of near each other all the time and getting those kills becomes even harder but this could be one good grab that could get but no he's gonna it's gonna jump boy Strom tp'ing and that would've been a great snag they could have gone for the chain son maybe a frostbite follow-up and strong ball and I would have been a Thompson kill so he gets out just in time to start things off here the bench wave maxed out level full wave terror gonna dudes roaches on my bike quite a lot here in eg they've got all their spells and all T's but except for vendetta which is probably pretty important one considering that's how you would scout out the roshan head PG just don't seem to realize where she's going on right now they've circled the area and they're expecting them on the high ground on the flat no it's taking a while to do this one River Terrace hoping but that was like I'm gonna leap out just for this arrow and that's all they're desperate chins yeah they don't have caught Amalfi either maybe it's just one of these a gun expected moments or maybe they realize like it look this pressure thing that we're trying to do isn't working let's just take Roche because they're not even crossing the river most of the time they're just looking for us when we're across the map he passes all these worried I think that's more than finance cows they're kind of been a farming State until they get their bkb's which Thompson made mostly has his so he's gonna have to wait a little bit longer but even other players like Morano just want to complete her BKB so it may just be you know two minutes of bombing while they wait for their items as well as the wukong's commands come back up and then they can go and do something with the aegis yeah once I finish the bkb's they don't have to worry about sumail doing smell things like getting kills and snowballing like crazy for now they're looking for the semper though and they stop things up for the carapace including hail the storm stirs up as well and great little gank they are at ez gets the kill moose forward looking for a second one but the moonlight shadow was there to get him out and this is the power of ETS lamp is the ability to find these pickups and kills really feels like a career was having a rough game or if he was playing bad they would be so far behind but he's been everywhere he needs to be he's been setting up kills he's been coordinating with his team and making things happen not for that it feels like they would be completely lost right now yeah once again yeah it's nothing glamorous about it he's won four and four it's like not a crazy score line or anything but it is right now probably the most high-impact stuff happening on his team he is enabling the storm to have a game right now as well respective it just always buys enemies like the the crazy thing about how far ahead OD is is that a theta Jim this whole thing would be shut down so it's almost like if their tempo would have been a little bit worse than they start stomping a mid game it just felt like they could have been doing whatever they wanted to but instead Kurt just gets to scout them constantly it's one of the great games but maybe you wish you did just buy an early gem on someone like scent or I mean there's so many defensive wards they would have cleared a lot of them on eg side but now you geez been able to get back into this only barely a 1k advantage going for the swap here Lightning coming on in but there's gonna be two men stunt hit store maxi mold it's nothing a little bit but they don't have any good fall off flu to mail we're gonna continue to try and bring down Anna here he made you some personal help yeah is very very tasty to return to be damaged nice disjoint on the magic missile all the Venge illusion no they hurt so much and Monkey King comes in to clean up fly and there is also a dead art easy that toxin cleaned up somewhere without using his ulti that can happen that's a monkey king for you and that's gonna force to see Empire back the game it's finally sad to look like he was stabilizing for eg and that they were gonna be in a position where they could go late-game get Specter some items gets thrown some items pennant OG say no we brother stages we're gonna believe those are really good prosperity I change everything he gets his ulti up there throws the stun with pops BKB or something they can get some - oh those pups are going for the ultimate maybe helped bring down this for the era though yeah hitting derrickson that's full getting bullied by the wukong's man you soon ago with the BKB but no he's immediately runs away so Thompson I'm quite the initiation was hoping for that all tipping into this rank and they could kill two male they've got boundless trick fog it gets deleted great play from Anna as well as tops and they to get that kill here but they're not done eg they say that's a lot of your disables being used here Thompson gets brought down first the CM all T's gone flying and that's gonna last a long time that's gonna be there when the Monkey King respawn stops it he can't leap away the air is gonna completely miss he didn't know where fly walls he didn't have vision on the high ground Thompson has a boundless strike in a couple of seconds he's got it and how can you get it off it doesn't look like it as they killed him as well all of a sudden that's a hard thinking man like you have to execute perfectly in some of those crucial moments he popped BKB before he started to hit the Enchantress it would have changed everything because then you would have instantly got the first hit off you would've got a echo saber proc probably gone for maybe finishes off in chambers but instead it just becomes hard can't quite spot of no other stunts bit too aggressive going for that high ground play with the monkey king and like you say the monkey came the way the BKB usage is it's very difficult to time when you need to use it and here like Monkey King a lot of the time is making sure you get your wukong's command off which with the long past time very tricky to do we saw it get cancelled several times there the CM frostbite really changing things a lot yeah it was it was huge quickly that fight really good they've got in this setup on s for those they need some rotations that come in sub on the way as well there's a lot of creeps in the area he knows what the fear it's me close so close maybe the central Tia mistake they're not a revealing thing but with that said there wasn't observe ward over here that did spot some rotation so he was probably gonna back no matter what maybe helped Marilee to get there sooner with the movements being for the arrow bathroom here we go oh gee right off of that we'll go smoke directly towards mid lane they see arteezy they want to go on him he's going for this manta style bill we saw this yesterday from resolution knowing that if you go for this greedy radiance build-up it can be so hard to get there without your team losing the game in the process so get this intermediary kind of stat embalming item in scam will see the crystal maiden but the same time crystal maiden seems nowhere yeah yeah she put a sentry on the high girl that means they both know that they are aware of each other oh yeah this entry was still giving that short it's gonna run close enough yeah and over for this one is the tango fork this could cost him it is scary be warden as a as a support I must say that's you always worry about moments like that but a big kill for him that's gonna give them pretty much easy leeway to take this to your Tower any any dead hero means your opponents are probably not gonna start a fight anyone goes down they may love to keep on pressing this bottom lane although our teaser will use that as a you know positive sign you know they're pushing bottom this is freedom for me to go farm these other lanes top lanes fairly safe mid lane anyway jungle go and defend because you can always point in should there be a fight but they actually get the stun initiation alone there's four pull up son as well so good falling in he comes out easy with the hornies looks for the minute initial kills the glucose plan does come out though it stalks him with a BKB as the seven de Marana these PK bees may be too much for EG to handle they kill off both Spector and Nick so they lose a couple supports in the process but just supports his female gets tons at the sidelines he needs support light he's gonna go for the kill first he dodges the arrow with the pulled forward said thought he had him pretty got bait is gonna be a team on wanna play from eg as they completely obliterate OG in the bottom lights it started happening okay we'll be Brody with the wukong's but sumail just demolished them yeah they got out of the wukong's really fast is what it felt like on EG side there's a lot of respect illusions I'm sure that helps as well haunts just tanking attacks and the Oracle got killed almost instantly by the orchid and from there is just kind of straightforward Monkey King couldn't fully commit to get a kill he got ended up getting really low in the engagements probably that I think s for just handing away the whole time it's for did three thousand damage than most of the entire eg side just sitting back throwing impetus the whole time and with the hurricane pipe able to I mean isn't that how it's started though they went on The Enchantress II for stop and then it became like a team fighters maybe a little bit of a overly acting team fight if you're gonna initiate on the inch you need a blower up that's one of those scenarios where they hurry you jump in a when you're diving a tower has to consume the guy base of five ninety nine times one hundred you're just instantly losing that fight unless you're just miles ahead because you've committed so many spells and resources to that one kill and all s hould used was you know a hurricane pike in his heal the rest of his teammates had all their spells available yeah hard to pick him off definitely yeah because Monkey King has to be concerned about where he drops ultimate and who's closest by to get a couple hits off definitely difficult to play Monkey King sometime doesn't get spotted here by the century but enchant certainly sitting around to wait for do they know okay Bonnie right here so as these fights go okay for eg it just means that their cores are gonna get into a better and better place in in in the ultra late-game they better carries Center has not really paid off it worked won the laning stage I feel like but ever since then he just feels like a stun and a double-edged maybe it almost feels I wonder if this is a reaction today games esa like a confidence thing where Hannah just doesn't want to be playing these these carries anymore because it's like two games in a row away save on a windranger now Marana they're not really carries but they are the scaling Korres wall and has been playing Center which is the non scaling core like what would traditionally be your three position off later carapace again is a set of mana does have to backup from SAP and actually it's crit use maybe fortunately gone into a fight he probably shouldn't have as he will pay for that one with his life does cost him of bk4 I think use yeah I was hoping to just like one shot somebody maybe am tomorrow's full HP put mine Jax does pick up a gem now so it's a gem on the Murano that means they should get a lot of good map control from this I think maybe what they're thinking about the center actually is a the way to kill towers the problem being that like he maxed out his stun second just because he had blink dagger fast to make sense but then they didn't have somebody to stand and tank the tower because the returned is still amazing at blowin towers up so I feel like maybe that was what he was thinking there perhaps all the mine they've scouted out is full with a in vis t-rex van so he was nearby though storm and this is going poly before they do get the stun before he gets heal up the second follow-up Sun is theirs don't go falling in dough with the haunt though feel like we've seen this one before storm immediately hunting down jerk do they have detected doesn't look like it they do for the bench but they do bring down sent or god scout it out and they don't find Derrick's in the side Duke back to the shopping this one not as catastrophic as last time but it's the same thing and maybe ignore the enchantress they were way off on being able to like I thought was a really poor choice to jump I they don't have any English flex in they Scout him out though you get the front fight on he didn't BKB for this one but he does finally get it off a bit too late though can exe survived through the impetus damage with the false promise he's gonna stay alive a bit longer but I don't think he's surviving those impetus he wants to kill a small doesn't have enough life to the Jingu no siree he's dead for dead on og side spectre did go down in the process he died inside and wukong's command but that is not worth it for og I mean that's basically everything Thompson did another stun on bed here and the gem pick up crit just always in the right place and now what we're seeing the the late game problems with Monkey King Thompson's doing a great job but by the time he got his ultimate off he was already a half HP that forces out the FASTA Oracle ulti and he got some life steel out but he's still hit being a guy that has high armor is reflecting with dispersion maybe even I believe male active and then s4 just sits on the back and pings for a ton of pure damage and there's not a good solution actually it's actually kind of a hard counter for Monkey King he's magic immune yes at high armor please still to compute him and he's also outside of the the rate he's not even getting hit by the little fake monkey Kings so really hard lane for sumail he went like zero five and zero zero four zero now he's six six and six so he's super caught up since that point and it's hard for a cheetah to transition from this how do they transition from this is just you know getting is there an item or some kind of situation where they're gonna be looking a whole lot better they've done like an axe queued up on sent or piranhas finally going back for some damage ends after the BKB for the Maelstrom connects it's definitely a good place to go he'll grab the 75 damage talent but I just don't grow can that's what they want I don't see a way that sent two are really transitions as a hero damage wise unless they just like had advantage and they just kind of ended mid rise kind of a thing they know that can't be taken away and so I'm just maybe the bowling in forces out the BKB immediately then he pulls out it was really picks up play and once again it's this storm with the mana loss or a coming out from the CM so his spells cost such little money he's also reaching my icon CRTC Scott dust of his own he says I'll carry the detection he goes haunting in finds the Oracle immediately he's looking for more Thompson already low once again he's just gonna die to these in Pence's the false promises just going to Nate delay the inevitable as for knows he said he finds a new target it's and a cent or and that's a third hero kill it's just a six thousand gold leaf but it feels all over there's just nothing og can doing these teamfights EPS also you just keep leaping away and it's fight out to fight the same story all eg all meet the late game long i I don't know the item solution is that's gonna make OG win these fights like I'm thinking played well maybe on Monkey King but that doesn't make sense cuz he's popping he'll on in chance it's just like the they got past this point they tried to hit this timing and they were super stomping but when they went high ground and that which they needed to get a racks there's what it feels like and it needed to maybe be like a scent or with a buckler maybe just tanking tower hips or something I don't know if an guards the right maybe Vanguard s-- the wrong item build maybe you needed like a hood there or something but I'm not sure I think it's like he's AIDS there's no all I'll be aside him that comes to mind it's not really an item thing it was they needed to snowball this game they were doing that but at some point it stopped you know the monkey Kings very first death when he had the godlike streak at like 15 minutes gave away a lot of gold just to male and then it was a couple of team fights in a row where they just didn't get that good Wukong command up they won't fight for it here that's a nice kill he's actually gonna Jen here so well worth using those bkb's and he walked into a sentry ward annoying so it's about time they were able to punish him because he's been all over the enemy base setting things up I feel like I kind of feel like if Center goes like hood buckler with a stout shield it would been better cuz then you just like Center has a lot of problems right you need you need HP regen you need survival against physical so Vanguard was usually common but against towers Vanguard sucks it's better to have like a buckler and there's also a lot of magic damage maybe maybe that would've made a difference go like blink buckler good perhaps how much I'm not sure but they definitely lost their window a bit and they need to take a really good team fights an indie gank well but Thompson's builds teamfight this whole time I'm Scotty BKB great item built if you can keep people in a circle these really far away from model 25 yeah I do like this satanic he's got key tough maybe even an item he shoulda gotten earlier because that synergy would be false promise he could actually maybe have survived when he's right-clicking RTZ and ganked plunked by impetus as if he has that extra bit of crazy life still it feels like they've been able to deal with them pretty well though especially cuz the BKB is down to six seconds yeah so as soon as that runs up frostbite them do a impale just slow them a little bit storm spirit like they can't just deal with them oh yeah it's not gonna solve all their problems by any means it says small what a life song prove Nez Creek will see once again run in Scout some things out female going in he's got a follow up with a double damage rune he wants to find Hopson first and top two did not PPP for this one he's just gonna die without using it swap out on to Seb he's trying to just save the gem here steps just trying to run says take my teammates but not me my life for my kingdoms says Big Daddy no tell want one saved there they pop bkb's but yeah the instant catch on Monkey King was huge he might have gotten nullified cuz I know spectrum has to pick that up this game but great jump from sumail pops of Shiva's provision does a ball lining you can see everything haunt as well very possibly it was the nullifier cuz I think that's why they picked this up they they know the Monkey King doesn't get his BKB off he's dead the Enola Fire and orchid that guy is dead there's two Harris with PK bees and one of them is a much bigger threat it's the Monkey King another Mirana let us know if I can be very effective against it's just so important like the hard thing about Monkey King again is it's all about execution can you get your BKB or can you get your ulti off and ideally you'll do your BKB afterwards and ideally you do your stun afterwards but if it doesn't go in that order you're here just is a lot harder to execute if you're against super mobile heroes like this that way storm has been really effective they're gonna start on him at least yeah actually that's his first life but still being able to take away that first line such a cheap way free down and I say cop magic missile the projectile just join the bull by the bull lightning as we've seen already in school gonna just go falling right back in take out jerks or something called pit in the middle if this is our TVs peccaries for the cheese so he's just gonna man up and take him down the monkey came with the nullifier no BKB for you two fights in the row he just couldn't get it off and they're on the high ground no buyback except the Mehran and they're gonna GG at eg have turned around a bad start here in game number two and taken down oh jeez doing great Brazilian 500 g had a fantastic laning stage across the board I mean tops and super dumpsters made but sumail just is one of those games we've got to realize like in the late game I'm going to be able to come back from this and we're gonna pick you off and we're gonna stomp you in the Lincoln we've got the specter we've got storm we have CM we've got NYX they there's so many options like but but the players I got them back in the game was certainly crit crit was like the guy that from the beginning to the end was like doing an amazing job making stuff happen and he was only guy that even got found half the time he was making it hard to kill himself at least Delaine oh jeez the time that took for him to even get killed by opponents so he Jesus played a great and it never really looked like they were panicked like his fire is behind his they were from the lane stage as many kills this Thompson was skinny it wasn't like they were making desperate plays or make doing anything really silly or crazy to try get back in the game it's like let's just play DotA I don't actually feel like DG we're under the impression themselves that they were losing the game like I'm sure they knew they had a gold disadvantage and they were behind but their lineup is kind of almost meant to be behind you've got a storm Spectre enchantress like you don't have a playmaking off laner you've got farming mid and farming safely or like they they probably knew they were gonna lose that early game and they certainly did it looked quite bad for a while but maybe a little too hard for the heroes pressure maybe Thompson should have gone something like a shadow blade instead perhaps to pressure better but even so he had really good ward vision so I feel like maybe that would have led to some deaths he had 9 kills it I think it was like 10 or 11 minutes and then the issue was eg got some good defensive wards up and a lot of his rotations around the map started getting scouted and that led to his also his eventual death around 14 15 minutes where he fed away his godlike streak and it really came down to having vision that could spot him bouncing around between trees and find those kills as support King Khan's smell was really sick too great gravitations here from Gerak's and no teyla looked for him made the lame yeah made the game even harder for them to end up taking a win on but yeah just great snowballing but not as much late game longevity out of ochi good time Monkey God will keep on seeing he just found kill off to kill wherever he went in the first stage of the game he was having a great time that's the monster kill this is the godlike streak 10 minutes 47 seconds but quickly turned the other way except played pretty well to my me rush BKB I don't think that was wrong against an orchid storm but maybe that's the trap right if you have a storm you feel like everybody feels like they need bkb's but then s4 is just like you needed s Lili amazed I think you need a second damage dealer because we sold later on Monkey King skank I did he's he cuts himself in a way because he has to stay inside of his ring he's getting hit by the impetus you need piranha to offer a bit more damage out but I would argue yeah definitely fossil maybe one of the issues at the center or runner yeah and also just the fact that you know Seba nanak kind of doing a roll so if it feels like Sam is still trying to play this more you know selfless style but hey your Marana if your Monkey King skank I did you actually have to be dealing damage like the MK b's the maelstroms those kind of items to me need to come out in a game like this for Marana to have a bigger impact yeah this is the crucial fight here that was pretty impactful if heebie-jeebies a little bit earlier there he gave kills us for under his ulti for sure and then maybe they're able to stick around bench was dead they still got the storm kill here I believe he teepees in gets instantly stunned without moonlight shadow but they pay dearly for it with all these kills that eg then cleanup felt like they would maybe you know in these Mitchell a came fights like oh they killed a specter but they lost three oh they killed a storm but they lost you know four heroes or something here it's it cost them too much and it was always an over commitment to kill one Corps here because they had to use all their bkb's and then it was like okay now let's run oh wait we can there's so many small things and maybe could have made the difference genuinely like this was the worst of the fight so this was the beginning of the end as much as the game and gone back to even this fight here they over dive on The Enchantress they throw a lot of their stuns they use all their control and arteezy's just in the middle with a blade mill they're all hitting him he's got the blade mill he's got dispersion all this damage coming out and sumail and s4 just cleanup now maybe maybe Aniston to just gone in there maybe they all just retreat you know and it all ends up only being two heroes and ends up being a bit of a trade but I think if there's a lot of times at least watching the game where it just felt like you just completely underestimate how much damage s4 is gonna do in the teamfight and he just always output it a stupid amount he was one of the lead damage tools behind rtz who with help dispersion in blackmail you know deals damage without actually having to cost things but all in all eg continued to be a dominant force in this group state I think I have to date want people look to them like hey these guys are good they lost one game to IG but they do look like one of the strongest teams in that group yeah absolutely their ability to play from from that kind of a laning stage deficit was certainly really good and maybe another thing to say is sent or maybe not the hero for og here the Lamey Lamey say twice it was good hypothetically if they didn't lose that mid fight and get an in a position where he has tankiness can just stand by the tower and tank it and let that's how the tower dies great but they never quite solidified there they didn't quite get the medallion on the Venge in time and then he didn't have much armor himself and then even that EG was looking for and got a lot of really good teamfight so it's like they needed to basically win by like or at least get a big rocks advantage at like 25 minutes and EG slowed it down enough but even like you know mention sunshine big center lover but also haters with the way the heroes i he's pretty one-dimensional here he's a blinker son and it's not an instant son it's not always a reliable one it's AOE but it's not as good of an AoE stun as many others like you think Pengo ulti like that's a way better stun and better teamfight spell than what centers done is so i just don't think the hero does enough to be really picked in general i'm surprised we're seeing it get played obviously it's a comfort thing for OG they've run it before but I'm just I'm not sold on this hero as being viable even or coal I think Oracle did well this game but it was another kind of disjoint it was like a hero that og really values and they put it in their lineup pretty early but it felt a little bit weird at various points maybe that was a bit off too well there we go VG continued their dominance they get a 2-0 win over og Kevin and myself we're done on stream number two we'll be taking a break popping up in round five of games today but we've got some new costumes popping their heads and I think loo me and winter will be taking over here so stay tuned guys more dota 2 action coming your way [Music]

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Published: Fri Aug 17 2018