Emma Grede | Aurora James Coffee Chats

guys thank you so much for joining mni today and our um coffee date that we're about to have in celebration of my book that's coming out Emma thank you so much for doing this with me oh my goodness I could not be more happy to celebrate you and celebrate this book um it was I have to tell you you know how I am with things I'm like oh like I'll just do it it'll be fine it's not gonna take that long I my my um literary agent was like you know it's gonna take like two years and I was like two years I was like if nothing takes two years that's crazy even two and a half years later and like oh my gosh it's really such a labor of love like that's gonna use those exact words I feel like for you it actually has been a labor of love I feel like you have been working on this pretty much ever since I've known you and it's been like a continuous daily weekly Endeavor I'm it's like giving birth that's how I equate it I mean seriously with like you know triplets that are like consecutive [Laughter] damaging than that hopefully hopefully let's see how the next four weeks roll out I wanted to talk to you specifically about you know some of the anxiety that I had about writing this book is because I felt like as a black female founder it's been very important for me to like present as buttoned up as possible because I know that the expectation is that I'm going to make a mistake or I'm not going to be able to deliver in the same ways people who you know are white men for example and so I think for me getting to a point where I actually feel comfortable like fully owning my past being like a Dropout and like coming from a very humble environment and all of that jazz um I don't know it was really hard because I feel like even especially in fashion it kind of comes across as being extra judgmental and I'm wondering like if any of that resonates with you like if you felt some of that pressure you know as a Founder especially early on you know what I can I can totally relate in such a profound way it's quite unbelievable you know I think that I've spent so much of my career apologizing for myself apologizing for lack of a formal education apologizing for uh you know I guess like a not the not the usual start not the usual path and in a way when I think about you know where I've been successful where that sex where that success has kind of been derived from it's all of the it's all of that untraditional stuff that's actually made me and it's and it's the stuff that's actually made not just a difference in my business but a difference in my Approach that's then made me successful and I do think about you know what can be your superpower and especially for black women really you know trying to shed that idea of like having a non-traditional path doing things in a different way and I think that we need to kind of almost turn it on its head and think about those things as being a superpower as being the reason that you're able to see things differently approach things differently have a different you know energy that comes back to you and so I think we've got a responsibility to just turn that notion entirely on its head and you know when I think about you Aurora your path has been really untraditional you know it's really not it's been it really has but I just think that that's so much a part of like what makes you special and what makes your your approach really unique but it's definitely hard to get past that point or get to that point where you think of it that way and you know 40 years old I I don't think I've been thinking like that for that long you know I feel like the last five years is when I've really started to see that more clearly um and there's definitely been an element of imposter syndrome or something akin to that that has crept up and still creeps up in so many different ways I literally remember like I don't know what it was I think it was like it's maybe after I won the fashion fund or something like that I remember having this like thing go off in my head being like Oh my God I hope like Anna Wintour doesn't find out that I went to jail for street racing you know what I mean like just like the most embarrassing things ever that I just like I still hope she doesn't it's so cringe you know it's so cringe like you know that's the the real truth and that's like the whole of you and there's so like so many parts of that past that are additive to who you are and what you do now I also think that when it comes to hiring and I think both you and I are such champions of hiring you know black women in our organizations I look at all of that as okay you know I'm not going to get the traditional path that I might think I am but I think it's additive and I think that we need that yeah I agree and I think like even when I think about you know what you've done with good American and what I've done with brother bellies it's really just about championing what we know right 100 and the thing is you can only do what you know you know I always get that same that same question of like wow you know it's so impressive when we look at your organization you look at the board you look at the management it's like I didn't set out to do any of that I just that is what I know that's my experience that's my network that's the whole thing and so I think it's really interesting or Aurora one second I'm glad this is going to be edited because I've lost you oh really yeah yeah oh am I back you're back it's so strange I just got like a like a a notification that took over my whole screen sorry um where were we uh no I think that you know when we think about the type of people that we're bringing into our organization it's important to think that that non-traditional path has a huge part of like you know getting us to where we need to be and it's it's a it's interesting to me that not so many people are as open like you would think at this point like having so many success stories that are a lot you know coming from different or different backgrounds less traditional that we'd be more open to that but even in my I think about in my own hiring practices at good American there's often candidates are presented to me and the you know the the rhetoric is something that I you know I think God I wouldn't I wouldn't be able to get that job myself and so you constantly kind of have to check those assumptions at the door and make sure especially as an organization scales like are you still being true to how you got here and and that's something that as things get bigger and you're not the one in charge of the hiring I really have to think about that pretty constantly well you know there's this whole data set which I can't even remember off the top of my head right now but the idea behind it is like they were putting this um like job description out and they were asking men like okay like would you apply for this job right and with all the prerequisites it's like 80 of the men even if they didn't like meet the qualifications or still going to apply for the job but with women it was like only five percent were because they were like oh like I'm actually not totally proficient in chat gbt4 yet so I'm just not going to apply you know what I mean but guys we're like oh yeah like basically figure all of this out but that is if that is my everyday reality right and I think that and you and I have spoken about this a you know a little bit you know what's happening in the culture right now is really separating men and women and I think that you know if you if you think about social media Tick Tock really specifically how that targets women what it says to women versus what it says to men it's really creating this huge void in in the workforce right women see you know this like insane Beauty idea there is like a complete obsession with what I feel like is like this entitlement culture around the workplace at the moment and it is 100 at the detriment of women over men right now because meanwhile the guys are watching you know Sports and skateboard tricks and the women are being given this completely different point of view that is actually holding us back in the workplace a little bit and so I think about that all of the time and I think that you know some of that insecurity that you're talking about how women present them cells over men in business comes from this like social media culture that we're in right now we've got a lot of work to do to try to combat that yeah totally someone was interviewing me yesterday asking about like how I maintain work-life balance and stuff like that's the big question always right yeah totally and they just decision and and just sort of like oh I'm definitely like not really no and and and by the way like that's okay because I'm also doing what I love and I'm doing something that's impactful and it's not going to be forever but right now like this is my leg of the relay from someone else and I'm gonna pass it on soon 100 and I do think that you know I speak about it all the time there's a trade-off right and it's for a certain period in your life certain things take precedent but it isn't without sacrifice and I think you and I think about this all the time because you can only be you know and spread yourself so thin and give your energy to so many things but when the opportunity arises and you have to stand to the occasion it's really important that you do that now can you do that while still having so-called balance everywhere else in your life and making sure that you meet every person an appointment and you're you know doing your meditation and doing yourself care practices like for me absolutely not it's a trade-off every day I think as long as you're able to make that choice for yourself and be mindful about it but this this kind of idea that we're obsessed with that is you know this balance I don't know like who who has it you know please explain to me how it goes because that's just not the reality of my life and I think that we'd all do ourselves a huge favor if we just actually stop talking about balance and start talking about like our passion what we're able to do right and how we use our time and sometimes that means you're going to experience you know a lot all at once but that's just what it is that's the reality of actually moving the needle right right it's about fulfillment too right like because that's the other thing that's so fascinating we all have conversations with people and and I'll tell them like oh yeah like I'm super and listen like a lot of people are very judgy about it too right like and I'll be like yeah like not you know I'm working like 18 19 hours a day right now like blah blah blah and and they're a little bit critical and I'm like yeah but like I launched a non-profit and like we're all working together and are you know it's one of the fastest growing nonprofits in America like that doesn't happen without like a ton of Blood Sweat and Tears from like every single person that's involved and by the way like the impact is so real and so gigantic like how like how insane would it be if I was just like clocking out see you later totally there is no taking your foot off the pedal right the the 15 pledge is a startup like anything else like yeah it's non-profit but we have to think about this like a business we have to think about this in terms of impact level and there is no uh moment where we can take a breath and take a pause because at the end of the day we have to use the momentum and we already know that momentum around this type of subject you know it goes up and down with the news cycle and so you have to take the moment and I feel like that's exactly the same in business right you have a specific moment in time sometimes the wind's in your back sometimes it's in your face but you really have to you've got to move and there is no um there there is no kind of like Lean Back moment it just doesn't happen like that how did you um I talk a lot in my book about I basically like stumbled into everything sort of right like a lot of it was inadvertent and you know not to like discredit the work that I've done or the planning or the all of that right but even with brother rallies it was like I kind of inadvertently launched it at a flea market with a 15 pledge it was an Instagram post and then I had to actually take the initiative and step into what that then meant to execute on the idea or or the proposition right and um I think because it was non-intentional or at least if there was intent it was subconscious it made it easier for me because it felt less deliberate so I didn't have to like convince myself to like jump off the cliff into launching this new thing I was just sort of like guys I'm falling I think I watched something like is anyone down there to catch me kind of vibe and I feel like um one of the things that I admire about you is there is a lot of intention behind some of what you're doing so my question is this because I think if I had it set out to be like I'm gonna launch a fashion business I just never would have actually probably launched it um same with a non-profit it's like I wouldn't like I would have been like what how where like and and so I feel like there's been more intention with what you've done and I'm just wondering like how do you uh like how do you gain that how did you gain that confidence when you were launching your first business and even still now do you have imposter syndrome and such a strange phrase but um it's such a strange phrase isn't it and it's something that comes up all the time you know I I think that so much of it comes from my upbringing and I really just look at that yes hello I'm really admiring the decor over here hi you can uh you actually need to ask her to wait for 10 minutes please and I'm going to get Derek to come down thank you sorry Aurora they were expecting me to be dumb now but let me just tell I think that we need a second I'm just gonna tell Derek Eric tell them not to call my room recording there we go um all right so imposter syndrome so you know it is um it's really interesting for me because when I think about how my businesses actually started you know the the initial business that I had was you know based around entertainment and marketing and I was someone that really wanted to be in fashion it just so happened I saw an opportunity and I was able to really lean into that but I do think that you know for me so much of what I've done has come from this idea of the fact that you know I saw myself creating value for other people over and over again and when you're a consultant that's what you're doing right your job is to take the brands that are paying for you and create really great things for them and if I'm really honest you know with good American the whole idea of that brand wasn't necessarily about me wanting to start something in fashion which had always been a passion of mine it was more about it's time that I created some value for myself and you know in in creating a product that for me was the first time I wasn't working for a client per se this is going to be my one of these things that I'm doing um and I think that that was a really you know if I said that I didn't have imposter syndrome at that time you know if you're a person that's working for you know um Dior and Calvin Klein and H M and suddenly you're like I'm gonna put myself in the product business with zero experience there was a lot of imposter syndrome but at the same time I knew that there was value in my viewpoint I had enough information having been in the industry for 10 years I was like there's a whole you know segment of society that are left out of a conversation there is an entire customer that's overlooked here and I think I can see that in a unique way and I think that as soon as you get you know like for me it was like I had a you know a little bit of like I'm sure so many consultants feel like this I was like I have created all of this value and I have nothing to show for it like I'm renting a property right now everyone else is out here you know like buying the mansions and that's how I feel about it in my head it's like very far-fetched and not at all true but you know that was the feeling and so sometimes I feel like um you know that the intentionality behind what I have done has come from a place of actually feeling like you know let's draw a line in the sand now and start to create real value for yourself and that's where it really all started for me um how can I do something that I believe is about you know me and my family and you know starting to create some type of of value but I am I got over the Imposter syndrome quickly because I think what happens when you start to do things in you know with yourself in mind when you start to think about customers in a less traditional way and for me starting this business particularly was so rewarding because you know the the feedback that I got back really early on was amazing it was like there is a gap here and you are speaking to a customer that feels underrepresented under like seen under service and so it was very very quickly reassuring but I think that generally for women in business you know that we have a different you know there's a there's a there's an approach that not an approach that's the wrong way to think about it there is a feeling that oftentimes there is somebody better to do everything than you and I think what my experiences taught me is that is just not the truth right it's like actually my opinion my point of view my experience or lack thereof is all really valid and and actually we need more of that in the world and I think that you know when you and I speak and I look at all of the businesses that we surrounded ourselves with like with I'm seeing that over and over again you know it's just like palpable and it's spilling out from everywhere and I am so excited about the work we do at the pledge not just because it's a it's like a source of just immense Pride that in this short amount of time so much change is actually happening but you're actually starting to see like real success you know you're starting to see these businesses Bloom and Blossom and for a reason and I I kind of love that you know that is all coming from the point of view of just this like you know it's not like they weren't there before they've all been there it's just about where attention goes right and and that for me is just kind of amazing it's just amazing right it's that whole quote about like talent and Intelligence being distributed equally but opportunity and access not to be which is what you say so beautifully and I think that you know when you say opportunity and access like that is it right it's it's just that and there are so many examples of that every day you know I obviously have done a couple of seasons of Shark Tank and in that second season they said you know there's a 600 uptick in Black owned businesses actually even applying for the show but the beauty of it was every single shark on that panel invested in Black owned businesses because once given the opportunity once given the platform a good idea is a good idea right and that that and again we talk about it all the time black businesses aren't just for black people so when a good idea is given the right platform and the right finance and the right Spotlight you know game over it it adds it deserves just as much attention as as anything else totally and I mean I think what's so awesome too since launching the pledges were actually able to see that like a lot of these black owned businesses are outperforming right and I mean it's totally insane when you look at someone like a Dennis myricks right who builds this crazy business with literally nothing here's nothing I just made everything and you're like wait a minute what 100 100 but that is you know and again like to speak to that level of resourcefulness and you know how do you get there because again so many people start their businesses with millions of dollars of funds and don't have that level of success but that resourcefulness like that's unique that is something that you know you can't you can't put a price I mean you literally can't put a price on well and the thing is is that black people in America have had to do that since the very beginning right and it's like ingrained in black people that they have to make something out of nothing yes it is yes it is and so it's just so fascinating when you watch some of these women actually get opportunity and access for the first time take the ball and freaking run with it run with it and see how much they can make when they are given something right which is really so just so extraordinary but I think about it with you now because you know this book is such a it's such a departure from in so many ways everything else that you've done around business and the non-profit like when you look at this like you must have did you have a specific like you know I always think that I I kind of like set these intentions and I go like I really want this to be this like do you have a specific intention with the book like is there something that you're like I want to tell my story or like what what would you hope and wish to come out of it well you know did I ever tell you this the the moment when I realized that I needed to do it oh so I was on the phone with Jill who works for me it's just publicist and um she had just had like a bunch of lunches of people and was explaining to a few editors about the pledge and brothers and all that jazz and I was like she was talking to me and I was just kind of like and I was like but Jill at the end of the lunch after you've talked to these editors for an hour two hours and you know you're paying the check or whatever and then they lean into you and say tell me what is that one question that they ask you about me that they actually really just want to know and she was like oh it's always the same and I was like well what is it and she's like they'll just want to know who your parents are and what they do what I was like what are you talking about she's like yeah I just feel like you've done a really good job of like hiding your family and I was like wait literally what are you talking about you know and it is correct that is so great this is why you need an accent like me Aurora because then there's just no kidding it's like she's clearly from a trash place it's like it just like spills out of you no worry is that the Assumption oh wow and I was like wow like I was like there's the world like can't believe that a black woman could like go out and do this stuff without having a silver spoon in their mouth to some degree and then I was also like oh I've been complicit in this yeah because I've spent so much time like keeping straight my I like costume of identity right and not allowing like the cracks to show that I've just continued to perpetuate this Narrative of like oh I must be from some other kind of experience somehow if you don't have like a rags to Richie's story ready to spew that that immediately means that the direct opposite I can I get that I understand why that would you know I guess by telling your story and explaining exactly where you come from becomes really important but I also think about it from this perspective of like what does it mean for other people to know the full story right exactly you know I was talking to my sisters you know about your book last week because I finished there's so much I love them they're so great I actually gave because I got an extra book at the launch the other week and I gave one to Rochelle um you know like we were talking about it and Rachel said to me so many people need this so many people need to read this story and to understand it's possible and you know where do you go for it where do you go for a book like that and I thought to myself you're like that's the reason when you can speak to like a 30 year old woman and she can pick that up and say oh my goodness this this is possible for me this is something that is attainable for me I can see a piece of myself and they're like we need those stories and seeing and reading is believing and I think that's that like for me that's the really important part about this and you know we talk about it was like a representation matters of course it's like we need these stories we need to know how hard it's been for you we need to understand the roadblocks and and the emotion and everything that comes with it because otherwise and people can be forgiven for thinking you know Aurora fabulous outfit cfda you know what I mean and seemingly all is gold um I think that it's so important to see and and listen listen to the story and to discuss it right because there's so much in that book that is to be really discussed and spoken about and there's such a honesty and um what is the word you know there's such um it's not just honesty it's when you bear you know when you vulnerable vulnerability that's what I'm talking about you've just bared your soul and I think there's such honesty and vulnerability in the story that that is the bit that I love about it you know it's like we all see a certain side of you and I think it's really you do a huge huge service to black women by just being really raw really honest really vulnerable thank you I um I just felt like there was no win for any of us to continue perpetuating this narrative that like you have to be a certain way in order to have this outcome happen and I like I'm so cringing Emma like every time I read like a weird review or something and they're like yeah like this girl who is this kid that was abused like just like the way in which people just like talk about my narrative down right totally I'm like oh my God right like that's so painful and scary even just little things that I mentioned in the book that now people are like really latching on to that they're like wait let's talk about this let's talk about this I'm like I didn't even think that that was gonna register you can never know which bits are going to register but for me this becomes like again it's like the takeout of this book is about a woman on a mission with a journey and what it takes to get there and that is an important story that is not you know forgive me if it's that it's not about you then right then it becomes about all of us and it becomes everyone else that you're impacting and everyone else that you're inspiring and everyone else that frankly you're just like you know telling the truth of your story and that is that is so needed it's just so needed and I think it's like um it's brave but also it's um you know Aurora it's so funny because even you know I haven't known you for that long and we've become close because we have to like work together every day but you know in the discovery in reading that book you know there is there's so many sides of you and there's so many sides of us of women and there's so much that we hide and don't want to show the world um but there's so much commonality in that right there's so much that I was like really her too like that that's me and like we've never spoken about that and that's the beautiful thing about this that we get to see a different side of you and there's so much human-ness in that right I feel like people are going to stop you walking down the street and and just be so like grateful that's what I think that's so sweet thank you Emma I really appreciate that I do really feel like this is in so many ways a story about all of us right like we all have the oppressors that I've had they may come in a different shape or different form we've all had sales at work sometimes like misplaced trust like questions about system like all of that and we're just working through it right we're just trying to figure it out and they think it's so fascinating that as women like the perseverance is crazy crazy perseverance and you were very elegant in the way that you chose to deal with so many things I would have been less elegant oh my God I don't know that's true okay there's a question that people are that people ask because we ask people to submit questions and the the question that we got many many times was how do you know uh where to find the right investor and um when they are the right one you know I get that question all the time and I understand why people ask that because seemingly there is you know there's actually funnily enough there's a lot of money around right and I think that a certain point we have to be very Discerning when we're taking money off of people the first thing is you know what are like is there a plan for that capital and just understanding that most investors 99.9 of them would like to get their money back at some point so I feel like you aligning expectations with an investor is the most important thing but also understanding that cash is just one element of taking an investor the other element is like what kind of strategic value is that person or that firm or you know whatever it is what are they bringing to you and so I would think long and hard because there are so many different ways to the money that actually you really need to think about uh investment in a much more like holistic way okay who are the pretty individuals what is that firm bringing to you what is the Strategic value of that money um and making sure and I I can say this because I've taken the right investment I've taken the wrong investment taking it somewhere in the middle um but you know really ensuring that those people are aligned with what you are trying to do and that isn't just to get to the next stage or the next like you know round or the next Finance level but it's like I are you aligned in the journey and how you're going to get there and so my advice is to spend a lot longer than you think searching for and aligning with potential investors because that's often the mistake that people make they see the cash they're desperate for the cash and I fully understand and appreciate that desperation because I've been there myself in the past but you really need to make sure that there's such alignment before you take money from anyone right I think like my book is a great case study also of like what happens when you take the absolute wrong cash which I'm excited for everyone on this call to read because it's horrifying and hopefully they can like learn some of those one of my most horrifying stories and then one of those times where I thought you dealt with something with Elegance done the names have been changed the names have been changed Elegance see personified um okay and then I wonder like do you feel and I'm sure the majority of the people who are watching us right now um are bootstrapping their business and I'm just wondering like do you feel like it's possible to just only have a bootstrapped business you know it is Aurora but it's getting harder and harder and I also think that you know certainly for me in the beginning I'm like who am I bootstrapping for I don't know anyone with any money you know it's like such a great thing when people go let's do a friends and family round you're like my friends and family are broke I want to be talking about here um so wonderful if you have that Network and you're able to do that and I definitely think it's you know um it's possible to bootstrap something but the it's a it's a privilege to be in that position to do it and it's also I think that it's uniquely something that you know being in a position where you are able to put that pressure on the people around you and deal with what that potentially brings is also a different set of um struggles that as a you know a a startup and a like a business owner in the first thing you may not choose to take that on so again I think wherever you raise Finance from you have to be very clear about the expectations of the people around you and even harder when those people are you know related to you but yeah it's actually I think there's been plenty of people that have proved that you can bootstrap a business and it depends on the aspirations and what you're trying to do and the growth it's you know we're dealing we're in such a unique business climate right now right Everything's changed with the Advent of Social and how ideas can be picked up and can be like you know put out in a global way like they never could before and so I think anything's possible for sure yeah I think yeah I think bootstrapping with just like friends and family money is to your point like a specifically challenging thing to do I think that pressure even though for me like I also didn't have friends with family with money but like the pressure of taking money from like my mom or something would be so overwhelming to me I don't even know how like I just I would add a whole other layer to the business as a whole other book it's hard um but then I think like trying to just build a business with like no money from anyone like you know it's so rare but it's you know I mean you see these case studies I mean even with like a Vanessa myricks right it's like I don't know it's pretty crazy um but I think for the reality for a lot of black entrepreneurs is going to have to be that right like they're literally going to have to try to get to their first million dollars in sales like with no help yeah it's it it's just a facts 100 100 and we see it over and over and over again and it really is um it really is to me just like a sad reality and I think that what's happening right now like we're definitely seeing a ton of progress people are opening their eyes and realizing that ideas don't always come on businesses don't always come from necessarily where you would expect them from but um it's slow progress you know and what we need is you know more education more opportunity for those businesses that are able to get to a million to five million to 10 million because the financial institutions that entire um world of you know capital Works in one way and the way that it works is that things have to transact things have to get to a point where they can sell and be acquired because that's the only way things are counted nobody's sitting there going oh let's look at all of these businesses that took investment what counts is the businesses that transacted and so again it's like we're we're all focused like so much on how much opportunity there is and how we can get certain businesses financed but we've actually got to make sure that these businesses are able to be successful are able to transact and able to go into that next Stratosphere because that is the only way we're going to see more and more cases of investment pouring into black owned businesses and that's why the work that the pledge does is so incredibly important because it isn't about year one year two year three it's about year 10 11 12 and on and on and on um and you know I think that when we think about when we think about businesses right now it's it's so like there's just there's so much scaling involved in that initial you know when you're in a startup phase and you're trying to get something off the ground and then things start to fly right and they they you know a business almost takes on a life of its own but we all know those years like zero to three that that is hard that is like not everybody is made for that Journey um but you know I think that we're starting to see like real success stories and that gets unbelievably exciting for us I think yeah totally thank you so much for being on this journey with me listen it's the best it's the best thing one of the most rewarding things and you know I I think about you know we're just we're right at the beginning of something like magical and amazing I wonder what it would be like if we can do this like revisit in like 10 years can you imagine so crazy how many businesses oh my gosh you said something to me the other day I don't remember when I was like so tired I'm sure like uh crying probably but I remember you being like you're like yep probably works I remember you really like almost like shaking me for a second with your eyes and being like make sure that you're present for what's happening because this moment is like so special and major and big you know and I also like want to say that to you because I'm so so so proud of you and the way that you have been able to show up and inspire people and do this work and get it all done and be a mom and be a wife and be a friend and be a sister and a daughter and you know a chairwoman and like all these other things you know it's like it's a lot and it's great and it's big and um I think we're both gonna look back at this time and be really like how how how but we'd have done it we'll have done it and that's that's the important thing and the best thing about it is that you know we would have touched so many people because that is that's the whole point of all of this work right it's not about you it's not about me it's about all of the impact and everybody that is going to be able to feel this work and I'm always so grateful that I met you and always so grateful that we get to do this stuff together but you know it started with an Instagram post right it's like you can never forget that it started by being brave and being vulnerable and putting something out there and having such a level of self-belief in what you were saying and trying to do that it changed like a whole like a whole bunch of people's lives right and that is the important thing that when we are honest with ourselves and we're willing to like just go the extra mile and do what we believe in right amazing things happen not just for us but for everybody and so you know I have and I continue to applaud you for that and you know onwards we have a lot of work to do so much work it's good and it's a privilege I really do yeah it's too true what's our favorite Billie Jean King quilt pressure is a privilege we need that friend that's going up in the new pledge office right I did and I was like almost crying I was like thank you so much for giving us the space [Music] it's amazing idea to put all of that I just you know like that is like putting all of that energy in one room like it cannot be you know it's just gonna be so amazing the idea that everyone's been working remote for this long it was so funny I came out of our board meeting the other day our strategy meeting and I was like everyone's doing remote that that's going to be a game changer and I think that the speed in which we do things and that that is going to change it's going to change everything I think so too I'm really excited about it right I love you and leave you I've got and now I'll see you so soon thank you bye um

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Keywords: book, author, write, read, publishing

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Length: 42min 48sec (2568 seconds)

Published: Tue May 09 2023