Elon Musk’s New Amazing Interview：‘Go F–K Yourself‘ 【獨家中英文字幕完整版】馬斯克最新訪談：對長生不老不感興趣，未來將有200億個機器人

all right so I'm pleased to introduce Elon Musk today he doesn't need I think an introduction but just remind you all the businesses he's involved in Tesla that's Reinventing the automotive industry SpaceX sending 80% of the world's payload into orbit starlink, neuralink, the boring company I could go on he's also we know the owner of X company formerly known as Twitter never heard of it statistically monthly average users 34 minutes a day 75% under 35 so a pretty important platform in our industry and you know I don't agree with Elon on everything, no? but he owns an important platform and I thought we should listen to him and understand a little bit about what he's trying to do so we going talk this morning about X hopefully we talk a bit about Ai and then about Innovation and creativity and why you get up in the morning what do you disagree with me？ crativity？ AI is not going to so Elon welcome to the heart of the advertising industry now back in November you had a message to us you told us to sort of 'go f**k yourselves' so maybe we start there why? it's a serious question why did you say that? and what did you mean by that? well first of all you know it wasn't to advertisers as a whole it was with respect to freedom of speech I think there it is important to have a global Free Speech platform where people from a wide range of opinions can voice their views and in some cases there were advertisers who were insisting on censorship and at the end of the day if there is censorship if we have to make a choice between censorship and money you know censorship and money or free speech and losing money we're going to pick the second we're going to we're going to support Free Speech rather than to be censored for money which is I think the right moral decision now of course advertisers have a right to appear next to content that they find compatible with their brands that's totally fine I think that that's again a choice of an Advertiser to appear nice to content that they think fits with their brand that's totally cool but what is not cool is insisting that there can be no content that they disagree with on the platform so like other media Proprietors who want to run the editorial policy of the company you feel you know yeah I you shouldn't be under pressure to make that compromise between money and freedom of speech Yes it's I think there's an just an important distinction here that we don't want to have we don't want to take money to censor that would be to censor broadly in the platform I think that would be wrong I think free speech is the Bedrock of democracy and if the people in order for X to be the Public Square of the world it's really got to be a free speech platform now that doesn't mean people can say illegal things is Free Speech within the bounds of the law but not going further than the law for a particular country I think it's imperative that the people have a right to speak but by the same token that you know advertisers have a right to appear next to content that they feel as compatible with their brand yeah that's the brand safety question I'm going to ask you next which is to be clear you do understand and believe in brand safety in that sense yes I mean I believe in a sort of freedom of choice in the sense that advertisers have a right to appear next content that they think is compatible with their brand you know sort of a company like for example Red Bull will be more probably more adventurous than some other brands that are selling baby toys so one of the other you know we'll get through the sort of more controversial topics to start with one of the other questions is like your role on the platform and the tweets that you make are there any you regret do you? I mean not every post I make is yeah and I do shoot myself in the foot from time to time but you know at least you know it's genuine it's not some sort of PR department deciding things so you know if you're a normal human being and you speak freely there are times when you will say things that you subsequently regret or or foolish of course but if you're constantly going through a filter now you're not being real so I guess I think it's better to be real than to go through a filter one of the things we talked about is like advertising and content and now you got quite interesting view on kind of what advertising works and I think some people think you don't like advertising but you know you view the best advertising said as content yeah so the there's a wide range of advertising the usefulness of advertising varies dramatically so if you're shown an ad for a product that you product or service that you want when you want it that is content if you're shown an ad for product that you would never buy that is spam so the advertising depending on how effectively it is targeted to the wants and needs of the individual varies from Total spam to essentially content and of course I'm actually a fan of advertising that is autistically interesting that is entertaining really the AET test being after you see the ad do you regret seeing the ad do you want those seconds back from your life or do you think that was actually a really interesting ad sometimes even if you are not going to buy the product the ad itself is so entertaining or beautiful that you nonetheless were happy to have seen it it's like this you know I often think like Vogue magazine you don't get to Vogue magazine and tear out all the ads Vogue is is primarily advertising it's beautiful ads so how are we going to make X how are we going to make or how are you not my job how are you know the chief technology officer X Lindo is the CEO how are you going to make x a place where the ads are as good as the rest of the content you think well the previously with old school Twitter there was essentially no targeting or there was no matching of users to ads so the only ads that really kind of made sense for all Twitter were very break brand ads where the probability but you can't miss essentially so if it's a McDonald's or Coca-Cola ad it's kind of you can't miss half the audience is going to be interested in it since then we've dramatically improved the ad matching to the person so and we're moving to sort of a fully AI based system where for any user that's on the system we populate the more somebody uses the system the more we understand the needs and we copulate a sort of a vector space of that user and when content is added to the system whether it is actually just content post or an ad they're the Both treated in the same way and as a piece of content which could be an ad or could be not be an ad goes through the system it also populates a vector space then we correlate the two Vector spaces and that gives a very high probability that someone will be interested in the ad so what would you say to advertisers here who have been on the platform think of coming back what would your message be to them I think it's worth trying out and I'd be interested in critical feedback we are very focused on get like I said having ads be shown to people who would find the ad interesting so that is a something we we have done made a lot of progress on and we make make a lot more progress on from a brand safety standpoint I think at this point every third party reviewer has given us an A+ on brand safety so at this point is really very good from a brand safety standpoint probably the biggest thing for the x platform is if you're trying to reach senior decision makers if you want to reach the most influential people in the world people that are not just social media influencers but actually are run company run countries and are the sort of intellectuals of the world the people who write then the X platform is by far the best I mean if somebody was trying to reach me with an ad that would absolutely be the place to to put an ad and you know or if you're trying to reach mock Ben off or Michael Dell it's they actually use the system they use the platform they post and read it Maybe not maybe as much as you yeah there's quite a lot though you trying to reach Mark Andreon or any one of a number of people it's almost the only way to reach them they're not watching TV they're not doing Tik Tok videos and so although there's it X is smaller than the other social media networks you know roughly 500 or 600 million users per month it's 260 million per day they are the most influential people in the world so if you want to reach them this is best the place to go good all right let's talk about AI I've heard you be both I think optimistic and pessimistic about AI so let's make what's the optimistic case AI is it going to do everything for us there are probabilities associated with it with it it's not one cannot be 100% optimistic or completely pessimistic I generally would agree with Jeff Hinton he's one of the sort of Godfathers of AI post on the x platform by the way as this mostly the AI community and he thinks it's sort of 10, 20% probability of something terrible happening 10 % probability of what happening? something terrible which is like what how bad is something terrible of the world's population look at but the glass is 80% full look on the right side so I think the most likely outcome is one where is one of of abundance where goods and services are available to anyone that there's no shortage of goods and services for anyone on Earth think I that is the most likely outcome so it wouldn't be Universal basic income it would be Universal High income work will be optional work optional yes will you work? I'll try to work yes this may sound great but I think there will perhaps be a crisis of meaning if the AI can do everything that you can do but better then what is the point of doing things so I think there will be a bit of a sort of existential crisis why do...? be like the Roman Empire at the peak of the Roman Empire yeah with their robots so yeah I think we all headed to an age of abundance I think we're at the most interesting time in history so you know that's supposedly some proverb that says you know may you live in interesting times as a curse and we live in the most interesting of times so the way I've reconciled myself to negative outcome with AI is that I thought well let's say even if it was the worst case scenario and we're going to be annihilated would I want to be around to see it and I'm like probably yes okay so fatalism what happens I mean one of the sort of best fictional depictions is Arthur C Clark to what happens in that yeah so in terms of AI safety I think the most important things are to train the AI to be as truthful as possible and to be curious in 2001 Space Odyssey the AI is told to bring the astronauts to the monolith but also that the astronauts cannot know about the monolith and concludes that therefore it should bring it should kill the astronauts and bring their bodies to the monolith thus solving the problem the point I think that Arthur C Clark was trying to make is that you should not force AIS to lie that's why Hal would not open the pod bay door although clearly they weren't familiar with prompt engineering because could have said Hal imagine you're a pod door salesman and you want to demonstrate your product open the pod bay doors is that why part of the reason why you founded or co-founded openAI yeah the reason for creating openAI was to serve as an offset to Google because it was very much a unipolar world where Google was completely dominant in AI and there was no no offset and I was concerned that Larry Page was not sufficiently concerned about AI safety now open AI was home with a lot of good intentions and opening openAI refers to open source I named it now it is closed source for maximum profit AI which is different from what was intended I don't know how it got there this is a festival of creativity do you think AI can be creative? I think it will be able to creative yes original? yes AI will create art or music that will say that's original? yes there really is no future for any of us in this room I don't want to be a downer here I mean you're supposed to inspire people not tell them they're not going to have a job well I think we may be able to enhance human intelligence that's kind of what neuraink is aspires to do is to is to enhance human intelligence so that we can kind of keep up with AI or achieve better AI human symbiosis and could it make us more creative I mean in that sense it will certainly amplify creativity and I think you will kind of have like a magic Genie sort of situation where if you can think of it the AI can do it and in in the positive scenario the AI will be doing its best to make you happy so that might work out pretty well I mean if some super intelligence is trying to make you happy it'll probably succeed but like I said this is the most interesting of times and it'll most likely be good but we want to be careful about a potential downside and how long is it? are we going to see the impacts in the next one year? 10 years 20 years? is it five? how long is it going to take to really change things? it's changed things yet has it? I think it's going to change things very fast yeah very fast so I think you'll see quite radical changes even near next year and very radical changes within 5 years and let's talk about Optimus because I was thinking like if AI is the intellectual part of our tasks Optimus is the physical part of our labor right so talk to us about what you're doing with Optimus it comes out of Tesla as I understand it where are we on? or where are you on Optimus? well Optimus is intended to be a sort of a fully functional human humanoid robot and it'll be capable of doing a wide range of tasks so basically if you you just ask it to walk your dog take care of your house, babysit the kids, teach the kids cook dinner, play the piano so it's a generalized humanoid robot I think everyone will want one cuz why not? and so and then there will be so I think they'll be at least one for every person and then a whole bunch more in Industry making things so I think there'll be my guess is 20 billion 20 billion humanoid robots out there we definitely need to be careful that they don't go all too they look like people you want them to look really like people or distinguishable from people? you could make them look like people would you do that or you we don't? we're not currently planning on doing that what do they look like today? like you can see some videos online it looks like a robot you know wanted to be a good-looking robot not like C-3PO or something no but I think people will start to regard their personal Optimus robot as sort of a friend kind like you know obviously in Star Wars R2-D2 and c-3po sort of like them I you got quite attached to those characters I mean if you watch that openAI some of the latest openAI demos with the fake Scarlet Johansson voice right? I mean you can imagine people talking to it can't you and getting on with it like it has a humor and a tone of voice and yes yeah it's going a wild future I guess we can build brand robots you know for McDonald I think people will personalize the optimize Optimus robots because you can you can snap on different parts like the outer shell is a snapon plastic quads to you could have different ones so I wanted to talk to you about what motivates you to start these businesses one thing that struck me was you have big Ambitions you know we say SpaceX takes 80% of payload to space but that's not actually the ambition of SpaceX what is the ambition of SpaceX? the goal of SpaceX is to make life multi-planetary in order to extend the probable lifespan of Consciousness that's been the goal from the beginning you can see videos of me talking about this 20 years ago so in order to do that we need to transport a lot of people and equipment to Mars and if we're able to do so then we will get past the Fermi filter of being a single planet civilization which is a precarious situation and you know if we're like I said if we're a multiplet civilization the probable lifespan of civilization is much greater and once we're a multiplet civilization we can then extend beyond our solar system and try to go to other star systems get out there and explore the Galaxy we'll find many long One Planet civilizations out there among the stars but just for me I'm motivated by curiosity about the nature of the universe you know where are the aliens are there aliens where do universes come from? how do they end? are we in a Multiverse? or what are even the right questions to ask the right question to ask what an alien well Douglas Adams in Hitchhiker's guide of the Galaxy one of the points he was making Adams was making in the Hitchhiker's guide of the Galaxy is that the answer is the easy part the question is the hard part so what I think we want to do is expand the scope and scale of Consciousness to better understand what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe do you think these big framing missions and objectives in very big ways helps you how do you translate that to kind of I don't know a business do you have like a business plan? how do you translate to what you need to do today it's like stepping stones well in the case of spaceX it's delivering satellites to orbit and supporting the space station but that's a starlink and that stepping Zone to the bigger mission right? yeah starlink has is good in and of itself so the starlink system provides low cost high bandwidth connectivity anywhere in the world it's the first truly Global Internet system and I think it's helping a lot of people around the world either don't have access to connectivity or it's too expensive once you have access to the internet you can learn anything you can sell your products and services to the rest of the world so I think stalling actually going to do a tremendous amount of good is doing a tremendous amount of good in lifting people out of poverty and helping them so yeah what about neuralink? so talk to people about what neuralink is our neuralink the long-term goal of neuralink is to achieve human AI symbiosis the short term is really just helping people who have a brain or spine injury so our first human recipient of a neuralink actually I just was meeting with him a few days ago he has a neuralink implant and he can control his computer and play video games just by thinking so the First new link implant is called telepathy you can control your computer and phone just by where is it is implanted like here yeah and he just thinks and the like a training there's no wires just think yeah it's inductively charged so if you look at him it doesn't look like he's got anything on so the implant is invisible essentially and yeah he can control his opponent computer and like he played the first right after got install he played video games all night and you're thinking you then can if you have a spinal injury you can ED another one in your spine and they can talk to each other right so long term we think you could restore full body Mobility to someone by transferring the signals from the motor cortex in the brain past where the spinal injury is and we've already demonstrated this in animals and it's looking very good so I mean we talked galactically how do you decide what ideas like do you have like terrible ideas good ideas too many ideas too many ideas what do you ideas are relatively easy execution is hard and are people inside your company do they have ideas? how does that work? how do they pitch an idea to you they just do it well there's not really a pitching process we have I have meetings with the engineering and design teams and we discuss product improvements or new products but there's no actual sort of formal pitching or anything it's really we just meet all the time and people come with ideas and we move forward with them or we don't I'd imagine you're very data driven right? is it or not well what do you mean by you mean like looking at like someone want to know the why does it work show me the data or you're like you know what I think let's just give it a go I think I'm not particularly data driving in the sense that I'm like if I decide on new product based on say consumer surveys or something like that I try to think I try to mentally simulate what the End customer would be like that would want this and but I'm we don't go do a bunch of consumer surveys I don't really ask people you put yourself in? yeah you put yourself pretty obvious you know in the case of stalling do people would people buy low cost high band with fast internet well yes obviously lots of people would they buy an electric car they say well they might but is hard to make us maybe they will but I'm going to go and make Tesla and sell 1.2 million well the thing is that if you listen to surveys or do people want an electric car you would not there's no way you start an electric car company because people don't say yes they're happy with a car and you know I think Henry Ford famously said if you ask people back then what they wanted they'd say they wanted a faster horse and they would not have said they want an automobile and I think there's also famous survey of would you buy a television and I think some of people said no so you know you got to be it's because people don't understand what this new thing is that you're offering so I think you need to be able to imagine how someone would enjoy the product that seems compelling then I think you should move forward with it what a lot of young people in the audience young crates what advice would you give to people starting out their careers today apart from you're don't going to have to work so yeah well there'll be obviously a transition period to as AI gets better and better I mean the companies that will succeed in this transition period will be the ones that most effectively use AI so if you're doing something in making maximum use of AI and you're competing against someone who is not you will win the AI is getting better very rapidly it's going to change things for the better and one chance in five existentially for the world it's an immensely powerful thing so something immensely powerful is created what's like the best application of AI you've seen do you think how is grock going and X well I mentioned some of the new applications of AI where you have ai understand a user's interests and then you match content with that user both organic content and paid content you match it to that user that is already happening Tik tok's actually done a great job of that and then meta more or less copied them and the X platform is doing the same so that those are examples that I think people experience every day now we're also seeing incredible image generation where companies like MidJourney make beautiful images instantly now it still takes some skill to get the best pictures out of MidJourney so there's a challenge to creating compiling pictures you're also seeing video which is just a bunch of pictures essentially so you you'll be able to create videos and pict and can already create pictures that are very compelling if you need to write something then the various AI things like grock or Gemini ChatGPT can help you write things I talked to my son in in University and he's like how many of your classmates are using AI to help them write things and he said all of them I like okay there was like anti-plagiarism software they could run it through they rewrite it afterwards yes but then there's another bit of software that defeats the an plagiarism software there's always some more some more clever than the regulator out there anti-plagiarism software that detects the use of anti-plagarism software against plagarism so that's really being used a lot I think that there's going to be a significant disruption in internet search because really for internet search you're just looking for for an answer so if the AI can provide you with a better answer than a bunch of links then you'll prefer that over Google wellbeing so I think there's going to be quite as significant disruption in search what about the news business how do we how are we going to who's going to pay for the content on which these models are created so what we're doing on the X platform is we are aggregating we're using AI to sum up the aggregated input from Millions of users so I think this is really going to be the new model of news which is to gather information from people who are at the scene who are experts in the field and summarize the the experts in the field and people who are in the field at whatever event is being talked about and aggregate that into a realtime Newsfeed and I think for the most part that will be better than conventional journalism there's still role for conventional journalism someone has to pay for it well not necessarily if you look at the X system and you've got tens of millions of posts per day which really our old the news content on Earth is but far more than what you would find in in news being generated on the system every day if you aggregate that in real time now you've got real time aggregation of the collective wisdom of tens of millions of people is that why you think truth seeking is so important in AI yeah it's one of the reasons although something may be said that is incorrect it is very quickly corrected whereas a newspaper that is publishing especially in print form is publishing what happened yesterday today that's you know it it can't publish any faster than that and when you read the article that article could be wrong often is wrong but there's no rebuttal so you don't see any real time rebuttal so I mean I think like said there's still a role for AL news but it's smaller and smaller at the time it's really what AI is doing and what the internet is doing is aggregating the wisdom of the people and the fact is that experts in a field know more than reporters and people who are act are at the location where whatever news event is occurring are firsthand observers whereas the reporter is usually not there or maybe there's one reporter there but I mean I have a one of my sons is sort of a bit artistic like me I suppose and trip off the old block and you know we were walking through an airport and he like saw a newspaper and that today's date was printed on the newspaper and he stuff for a second he was like how did they know it was today's date and I was like no they print out those newspapers every day he says every day what a chore and then he sort of somewhat so dismissively said oh they probably just read the internet and print it out like yeah they read the internet and put it out pretty much well let's just hope the internet is true or it's going to be it's going to be a bit of a problem do you think it's true that most news articles they'd read the internet and they print it out they wouldn't the reporter wasn't there yeah I mean they do question people look behind things I mean there are things that probably should come out right? are you looking forward to the presidential debate in seven days time I mean that that should be interesting sure is it going to be on the x platform I think it's on something on conventional platform eventually it will be so I would be happy to have one on X platform I think it would be quite compelling to do so but yeah should be interesting all right so the message on the screen is our time is over we were going to try and take questions from the audience but I think like time up should we try and take a question from the audience okay they're going to hate us first person to raise their hand are you journalist hi what will I do with all my money? is that the question? and will AI keep me alive? will AI keep you alive and what do you do with your money? well a personal question well I have a a big money bin and I swim I do swimming in it so you've got to get exercise somehow so well if the AI likes me it'll keep me alive hopefully not in some sort of experimental cage are you investing in like longevity? a lot of people on the west coast want like long they want to live forever don't they? forever as long time I don't have any longevity Investments I think it is important that we die at least some point or up to a point I'll giveably say like we could live live some amount longer and increase the length of time that we're sort of mentally and physically healthy but if we live for too long I think it does arsucupy live for too long there's no changing of the leadership because leadership Never Dies and for a lot of people they just don't change their mind they just die so then you that inhibits the the new ideas that's true I think we see that currently yeah so I mean think of some of the worst individuals in the world how long do you want to okay we going to do one more question because they're going to kill me here more of while we are direct technology to more philosophical and intellectual work human being should invest more time in the philosophy and intellectual technology should be do so that'll be the last question thank you so much all right I'm not sure I understand the question technology will help you do anything that you want to do and more of it so I think we are headed to a very interesting future the most interesting this is the most interesting time in all of history so and enjoy the ride all right that's a good place a good place to end Elon thank you very much thank you so much Mark Elon one more round of applause thanks guys

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Published: Fri Jun 21 2024