Dr. Manhattan vs Superman! | Doomsday Clock | Back Issues

[Music] hey everybody welcome to back issues i'm sal i'm ben this has been one hell of a year and i thought to cap it off we talk about doomsday clock two years in the making or something more it started in november of 2017 and it concluded in december of 2019. okay so two years two years and one month yeah right it took for a 12 issue mini series that was also the driving force behind the publishing line that's one every two months on average that's not the worst track record for books it is not yeah it's probably about twice as long as it's supposed to take literally that doomsday clock is written by jeff johns of art by gary frank it is the culmination of everything that john set up all the way starting with things like flashpoint of course flashpoint was written by jeff johns and it started the new 52. yeah that was originally jeff john's baby where he's like that was that was originally supposed to oh no no no no no no no no it was more like well john's john's wrote stories for the legion of superheroes and the jsa so clearly he has an affinity for these like characters who are relics yeah uh and they represent like just a black and white idealized version of superheroes the good guys are good the bad guys are bad let's have hope in our hearts that kind of thing it's simple so then he wrote flashpoint which is this misery fest about how like what if this lunatic killed this dude's mom then the dude went back saved his mom and it caused a war that people seem to prefer to the current dc universe it's supposed to be and i think john's meant for it to be all i did was save my mom yeah what the hell why is it all like that and it's like my mom is hitler you changed one thing and your favorite heroes everything goes to [ __ ] that's right don't mess with time barry even though your mom shouldn't have died in the first place it's never been expressly stated that the new 52 was like an afterthought and that somebody went like oh my god we're right in the middle of a time thing let's reboot the entire line because i'm sick of having to answer questions at cons but i'm certain that's exactly what happened and so new 52 came out and the problem with the 52 of course was that it was so successful it was very popular it made a lot of money and it had absolutely no rudder and no direction and john's i think was like my god what have i done also of course dc universe rebirth teased and set up doomsday clock that was already in motion right and it was going to be the template for the future of dc this is where we're going yeah it's like an unspoken crisis as i recall the implication was that we got what was happening in rebirth because of dr manhattan yes oh we got all of this because of doctor manhattan so it wasn't flashpoint directly that caused it but it somehow well it was it up like originally involved and then literally dr manhattan in dc university was like boom and just blows up the reason why wow in continuity the new 52 happened he's like no that was dumb who cares about this yeah well who does care about grifter ironically everyone at dc now doomsday clock is a sequel to watchmen i'm sorry really it is i mean what can't not have it be a sequel to watchmen it has the watchman well yeah but i i don't know i just assumed it was really just gonna be dr manhattan right and that's that's that's what he was you know remember the button yeah the communion's button i remember the button yeah yeah well it doesn't have anything to do with this what but that was it was a stop gap because damn say cloud was taking too long oh okay people will argue in the comments that i'm wrong but like i have it on good authority i'm right so the opening of doomsday clock is it's 1992 in the watchman universe okay we're just going right there yes opening page is it's watchman what okay adrian damn it plan yeah it's it's out cat's out of the bag somebody read rorschach's journal okay and they published it okay like right then or just oh just now oh like it took years it took like a few years from 86 to 92 for the journal to disseminate for people to unravel the mystery and they did like they found out about like the missing scientists artists and creators that like helped to craft the space alien okay right so they figured it all out it's all on the table and the new york times broke the story and it ruined everything right the the piece robert redford current president of the united states it's all falling apart mass hysteria riots in the streets government's falling apart um the russians are blaming the americans they're saying that like the americans did it in conjunction with ozymandias so nuclear wars back on the table right looks like nukes are back on our menu boys so people is there a clock is it saying like oh it's less than two minutes a minute now the doomsday clock comes up but not in the watchman universe oh that's weird that is weird all right that's where it should be most prevalent you'd think that but it's not really a watchmen story you said it was a sequel to watchmen well we're seeing the sequelization of watchmen he sequelizes only the things he needs to sequel in order to get us to where we need to be yeah okay because it's not important if it's in the watchman universe if it doesn't affect the justice and it doesn't matter in our universe or their universe who gives a [ __ ] yeah okay i mean people who like watching care yeah yeah but the people who like watchmen don't want a secret they're not gonna read this anyway i mean they are because like we know you're reading it but like they're not gonna like it and they're never gonna like it whether it's you know excellent or derivative i mean look at before watchmen they go into uh white's office we're seeing you know the news is punctuating how everything's falling apart and like listen if you want to read doomsday clock i highly recommend you do i'm going to put it in the description below this video you can get the trade paperback a little cheaper and one must pour over this it is in essence a sequel to watchmen it is also attempting to be the marching orders for the dc universe it's trying to fix things set things up and tell a story at the same time there's a lot of stuff happening it's very dense and so people are gonna be mad and talk about this word very specific news anchor who says very specific thing or the appendices or the additional articles in the back because there's extra [ __ ] in here oh like there was in watchmen yeah but where's the story of the red raider or whatever the [ __ ] that boat was oh the black freighters that's it you rhymed with the thing that it was let me tell you something i knew there was a color there is a black freighter element in this story oh thank god but in the dc universe and it's a little it's very different it's just it uses that as it doesn't use black freighter but it uses the concept of let me tell a story within a story that parallels and punctuates the basic themes i'm trying to get at this main thing we'll talk about that in a minute u.s forces like storm fights stronghold in the arctic okay and when they get there they find like a medical chamber and a cat scan that shows that what let's cat scan because it's because bubas is a cat they find a cat scan of ozzie mandy presumably ozzy mandy's says skull and the implication that he has a mass oh but it's not there he's not there he's gone he's gone he he bailed he blew ass and then he left yeah we see a prison starting to erupt in violence because like they're in the blast zone of what's coming oh and what well because wouldn't everybody be well yeah if you're talking about nuclear war we're specifically in a prison to showcase that rorschach has returned ah okay one of the prisoners like grabs the guard he's give me the keys and then rorschach shows up grabs the keys and he's like you still want it does it really this is a crazy thing yeah presumably you would assume it's just some dude in a mask that it's not walter kovacs back to life right but we treat him like the rorschach he acts just like worship he acts just like rorschach okay or at least he starts to act just like rorschach you start to see the veneer start to fall apart and as you get to know the man behind the mask you learn more about who it is but the reason why rorschach is in this prison is because he is racing against the clock he is an agent of someone else he's trying to procure someone at this prison when he opens the door he reveals erica manson aka the marionette the marionette is a new character created in the watchman universe again that's why it's a sequel right we get new characters uh she is part of the new duo marionette and mime marionette mime are two characters who presumably existed in the watchmen universe who were antagonists for whatever heroes came across them but the only example we see is when they come across dr manhattan is that them that is the cover yeah okay marion and mime are also analogs for characters from a previous company the charlton company ah yes just as blue beetle and the question and captain atom were themselves uh the basis for dr manhattan and so forth uh we got two other charlton characters who of course were acquired by dc and folded in just as the other ones were right and what were the characters they were based on those characters were punch and julie i was gonna say i remember those from a freaking book that we did tom king used them in i am suicide during his batman run but punch and julie occasionally will pop up and no one gave a [ __ ] right and i want to tell you something when marion and mime are introduced in this book they are the breakout new characters of the series people really responded to marion and mun no one used them since this right but they are fun characters deeper and more interesting than punch and julie and you know gotta love that clown circus who doesn't love the clown thing everyone likes the clowns especially in the dc universe so it's all about them so rory is like you gotta come with me and she's like no way but you can't be rorschach because it's been eight years i've heard you're dead right and he's like uh i am rorschach but i'm different i'm not gonna do the rorschach voice he speaks in broken sentences yeah yeah yeah you're just going to say the essence of what exactly yeah i don't need to try and break down i'm not going to do speech but uh but rorschach's like how can i convince you i don't have any time takes off his glove and reveals he's black ah so it's not boom not rorschach not walter kovacs well not kovacs doesn't mean he's not rorschach well he is rorschach front's purpose so he's taken up the mantle of rorschach he baits her by being like you had a son i know the guy who knows where he is and we'll give him to you if you do this job for us hmm us yeah well rorschach and his employer yeah the the people who are hired hired brought him out right so she's like well i'm not going anywhere until my husband comes with us right that's my mime uh mime of course had already been freed and we see his like there's a prison riot people free mime mime doesn't talk he's a mute and uh which is fitting for the character exactly his whole shtick is he has like invisible weapons that he uses but i don't believe that in the watchmen universe they actually become weapons right i think it's more like he mimes them and then affects their outcome through other means but he's incredibly graceful and strong and talented so you know it's like he makes it look like he stabbed you by miming a a knife but he'll find another way to stab you and make it look like you've been stabbed right oh i was hoping it was all psychosomatic like right he makes you believe that you have been so good you're just so good at it your brain makes it real yeah no i think you're in that [ __ ] matrix when you're fighting i don't think that's the case but the big the big surprise and twist that i'll reveal here because you're not watching the show to find out what happened to doomsday clock is that when they come to the dc universe his powers become real yeah okay does he speak and be like holy [ __ ] no mime is very committed and in fact marionette and mime are committed to each other they're they are grotesque in their execution of their crimes but their love is so it's pure and beautiful that it makes it kind of like frustrating you kind of forgive it you you don't if you're not a sociopath okay but like you forget sometimes as you're reading you're like look at them go like yeah you you want them almost rooting for them a little bit until you see them do more things and they are so unapologetic in their execution that you're like ugh yeah but you know that's that's the case with watchmen characters so like okay you've done it rorschach leads marionette and mime through the sewers of the city and they end up in a secret lair which of course is night owl's lair from watchmen ah yes yeah marion and mine are like oh my god we're in the we're in the owl lair like so you you hooked up with night owl and he's like no and then ozymandias arrives ozzy mandius escaped custody and punishment for his crimes uh and then coerced this rorschach into freeing marionette mime well marionette right and uh to help aid in his new ridiculously circuitous scheme right which will save the world he's got a little baby but he's got a little baby boobastis yeah maybe it's red baby boobastis is the result of cloning technology and experimentation that ozymandias fully funded through shell corporations under the guise of trying to protect like basically every species on the planet uh uh he got the dna of every species and then he's like i'm gonna use this well he's gonna make a pet he took the ashes of bubastas and then tried to mix them with any animal that would allow for bobastas to return so bastas was already like a genetic experiment yeah so why couldn't he just redo that experiment he wants boubastis back no no he is but so hard yeah those guys have dna yeah he wants bubastis back there's a there's an appendacy thing in here where he is he is so distraught and heartbroken at the end of the first watchman story that he spends trillions of dollars to get bubastas back well to be fair he's the one that threw the handle he should feel guilty but why if he was going to feel that bad about it why would he have done it in the first place he needed to do as you recall no other way there was no other way he had to he had to flip the switch then i also assumed that he thought he might die yeah i think he expected to die yeah so bobastis is back the appendices explain and i think ozymandias explains through like one or two panels that ultimately no animal species would work so he went back to the drawing board and realized that the ashes didn't just come from bubastis they also came from john's body and so he used john's dna and merged it with the bubastas dna and whatever else would work to create this new boubastis whom he calls bobastus too no if you're good at just if you're gonna try and resurrect your tweet you just call up a bastard he just calls him a bastard but it's it's it's designation as we asked us too right it would be two best or the second like exactly you see that makes sense that's what i was doing that's what he does and as a result ozzy mandius has his best friend back but also the linchpin to his scheme to save the world again his scheme is i'm going to ask dr manhattan to come back and save the world that's his whole plan that's not much of a plan no it's not that's but don't worry he concocts one hell of a plan when he goes to another reality guess which one uh essentially ozzy mandy has reasons that doctor manhattan left and you know because at the end of watchmen he says i'm leaving this universe one less complicated or whatever that universe of course would end up being the dc universe it is not less complicated it's a lot more complicated he got here just like holy [ __ ] yeah pretty much so he's becoming the watcher we're just like i can't get involved but this is fascinating yeah i'll just watch and talk to the audience ozzy mandius's plan is he outfitted archie yeah to you know break through the barrier and end up in the universe following dr manhattan's tachyons which he leaves behind wherever he goes uh he uses bubastis too to basically act as like an interdimensional tether or magnet that brings him through because not only does bubastis ii have like some little bit of dark manhattan imprinted onto him but also it can use dr manhattan's powers a little bit no it when it activates it basically calls to dr manhattan and acts like a magnet so it compels manhattan to come whether he wants to or not okay okay right yeah jesus so ozzy mandius explains that his original plan was he was going to ask lori to come oh but he was like if he sees lori and dan he might freak out and not come with me so i'll bring someone whom he spared in his past that will remind him of his heroism because the idea here is that when dr manhattan crossed paths marion at mime there's a there's an awesome sequence that showcases that uh marionette and mime we're robbing a bank and we see the whole sequence where he where they robbed the bank and then dr manhattan shows up and it takes place during watchmen okay you know during the story of watchmen more or less or during the timeline because right manhattan is with lori and they're on the compound and they're okay they're down the road from this bank yeah so it's like maybe shortly before or something so john shows up to fight marionette mime and by fight i mean explode right and when he goes to explode mime marionette says no don't if you're going to kill him you have to kill me too and he stops for a minute and we see the sequence where we have ba-bomb it's the sound of a heartbeat yeah i thought it was babeum i'm like he doesn't know how to say baby that is a babe and instead they're arrested and that's when they end up at the prison that they are in until rorschach springs them right people presume that the reason why he didn't kill her was because she was pregnant but of course we all know that in watchmen during the vietnam war he didn't save a pregnant woman from being killed by the comedian right so clearly pregnant women are not his achilles heel right he spared her for some other reason and that reason is why ozymandias wanted marionette to come with them to remind john about why he spared her in the first place and maybe presumably that might have something to do with saving humanity as well okay that's an interesting concept and it's a cool take on it i would hope that maybe the the idea is that maybe he learned from vietnam like oh yeah i should have spared her but all right i'm gonna learn from this you're gonna you're not gonna die nope yeah that wouldn't make any sense because he was getting like further removed from his humanity as time went by so that wouldn't like jive with like his ark no you say that but at the same time at the end of the book at the end he left yeah intervened and got him to come back yeah the lesson he learns on mars yeah it brings like until that moment he hadn't learned anything and was getting worse yeah yeah so so ozzy mandias is like all right so everyone get in the in the ship we're gonna go to the dc universe meanwhile in what that's his plan yeah what we're gonna go follow john get him bring him back and unmake this [ __ ] so he knows that john went to the dc universe you went to another universe he doesn't call it the dc universe i see he's like wherever he went that's right and we're going to use just a second to get us there okay yeah we're going to we're going to follow the tachyons yeah that's right that's right yeah so meanwhile in the dc universe clark is asleep at home with lois and he has a dream that is a literal recreation of that time his parents died in the new 52 origin so clark kent in the new 52 origin didn't have parents in his adolescence his parents are not alive when he's superman okay and in fact in the new 52 the jsa was never formed and as a result superman was never super boy and as a result super boy never inspires legion superheroes in the 31st century so there's no legion of superheroes either so in the new 52 it's a little more hopeless and jon's posits that it's because there was no old fogey team and there was no young folky team so clark is going to the prom and basically he is talking about how his powers have manifested and he's like asking for advice and pause like one day you'll let the world in your secret but like no one's ever seen anything like you before and they may be afraid of you and that lesson that john imparts clark inspires the new 52 version of superman oh like don't save me no but he but john never jumps into a tornado instead instead clark goes to the prom and on the way home john and martha are t-boned by a truck and they smash into a tree and they die oh which is actually what happens in the new 52. oh okay so clark's last lesson from his father is they will fear you superman still becomes superman and we still get tomasi superman and we still get post-crisis superman who went back in time and then ends up getting merged with new 52 superman forget all that it's like the lesson didn't step just forget it okay okay forgetting done superman gets married as a kid and it doesn't matter and he's and he resembles the superman that we liked and remembered but he isn't technically the supermemory liked and remembered yet because john hasn't fixed it yet and that's all that rebirth and doomsday clock is is john fixing dc for himself just superman or primarily superman well superman's the linchpin for everything he's the key to all this that's right i thought that was flash or green lantern at some point sometimes it's aquaman they talk about well he and he wrote all those characters uh john's suggests that well we'll get there the green lanterns don't really factor in okay but flash does superman basically has this nightmare that is literally what happened to his parents and lois is like he broke the bed again well no he flies up like there's this beautiful sequence where he when he wakes up he is like four feet above the covers four feet above the cuff that's right but uh but she says come down and then he floats down and and she's like i don't think i've ever remembered you having a nightmare and he's like i don't think i've ever had one before is that what this is you have these regularly oh god this is a terrible never had a nightmare before yeah which is a super bowl he's so full of hope nightmares are like a weakness yeah well he doesn't need to sleep but he doesn't need to sleep depends john's worked for richard donner when he made the superman movie okay and in the superman movie he doesn't need to sleep or eat yeah but he likes to right so while in the comics superman is a flesh and blood creature that needs sleep and food when he lands here and gets the yellow sun of the of the earth presumably he doesn't need to sleep or eat as much as he would were he under the red sun rao right he gets nourishment in other ways right yeah he's he's a he's a flower he gets nourishment from the sun ozymandias gives marionette and mime their costumes and get the flashback to the origins of uh why marion and mime aren't dead because they met dr manhattan right uh ozymandias leaves the watchman universe for the dc universe as the nukes are dropping oh wow so the world's all the time yeah uh what's he going to try and do and come back for well i guess he could bring john back into the past of that universe right maybe whatever let's not try to guess what ozzy was do we rely on a flash to travel okay good there is no flash speed force time travel in this story all right wow i'm that good there's there's only doc manhattan time travel right where i am in every timeline right like it's now it's then it's it's sure it's it's where it's going to be yeah he perceives time that way that doesn't mean he's everywhere well but that's how he perceives it everywhere he's been is is where he is he is where he is now yeah so ben or will be exactly yeah so in the dc universe there is no setup for this which is also frustrating because it's a big setup and it would have been really cool if like all of the writers and dc editorial were on board when they set this up right but the idea here is that there is this popular theory that is permeating the dc landscape which is the superman theory the concept of which is we all know superman came from another planet and he landed on earth and he landed in america and he dresses like the american flag but we can all trust him to do the right thing regardless of nations and borders right okay superman is not american by birth yeah he's an immigrant but why are there so many american superheroes i suggest it's because the american government engineered them as a like nuclear deterrent against foreign nations this is a theory that people are talking about in the dc universe in this book in this book some people are talking about that yes and while superman is not implicit in the theory they call it the supermen theory okay some characters have admitted to being part of it what characters we know or characters that you don't know oh i see but they exist by gum right let me tell you not too many people would be upset by a retcon where they are like in cahoots with the government right to deter russian aggression exactly are you kidding me that happens in like almost every comic book universe at some point the government is just like oh we're gonna experiment with people or we're just gonna train people that is gonna become superheroes but but now it is explicitly part of characters backstories that it was not part of their backstory exactly uh the idea here is the the superman theory is really frustrating people it's riling everybody up it's getting governments upset where is it coming from like why now right why now uh so watchmen in dc can have some kind of parallel yes that's why that's exactly obviously yeah i mean in the universe yeah oh yeah well no why do they think it's happening now like oh presumably since like what like the 1960s the government's been doing this right now well i guess superman landed 25 years ago oh right okay so the 80s yeah so batman sentiment is at an all-time low people are protesting batman part of it they just don't like him oh i mean like he is the anti-batman mentality that's that's tearing gotham apart right now in this story and in no other story anywhere ever again is connected to the superman theory but batman is like the only one that's not a goddamn superhero so like what the hell anyway not only that but gotham is the worst place yes well you think they'd be happy that's why they're protesting it's like he's here but maybe he's the cause of it yeah there's actually there's a great commentary where perry white is telling his reporters to stay indoors because like the riots and the anti-super or metahuman sentiment is getting worse right and he's like it looks like gotham out there ouch perry yeah damn i mean like you know oh yeah we get one of these one of these newspaper clippings in the back new theory on concentration of metahumans in the united states raises questions about secret origins oh that was a that was a dc comic yeah yeah and they show a map showing like all the heroes and the us is just like covered in little dots and then the other countries have like a handful yeah a couple so in the meta text lex corp and wayne tech have been buying up any companies that are doing any research into the medellin and metahumans and have been for a long time interesting and lex luthor is winning because lex is doing it corruptly and batman's doing it because he works with these people john's is capitalizing on a couple of things that were set up in the new 52 like lex corp's acquisition of court industries so like blue people's company yeah so lex is getting more and more power he's getting all these scientists he's getting all this data on whether the superman theory is correct right and that perhaps maybe some of this sentiment has been has been popularized through lex luthor uh okay the watchman land you know your favorite super team so they just got here oh yeah yeah they pressed the button to activate the besties gene literally they handcuff marionette mime to the ship and rorschach and ozzymandias leave to go seek out the world's smartest men that's right ozzy mannis is like i need help here and to get my bearings so i'm going to seek out the smartest man in this new world that i've never been to that's right okay that's right pardon me boy where's your smartest man smartest man you mean batman i'll give you half a crown if you bring him back in an hour where's the me of this world i want to talk to him that's exactly it because that's what you're asking for like yeah jeff johns is literally using narrative to try and make editorial policy but also you know you want to see rorschach and batman fight though don't you i mean if we're gonna if we're gonna piss on alan moore's face we might as well do it like full stream i mean yeah let's just handcuff the whole reason i brought the well no we're gonna find dr manhattan bring him to them these two are lunatics i'm not gonna let them just run around in the dc universe i don't know what the niece universe is and ozzie mandy is just like okay i've just got to figure out what my bearings are what we're going to do is i'm going to go to the library and look up these like four real people and see if they exist in this universe and what role they played in this universe okay like hemingway and so forth right right do they exist just so if let's presume that our history was the same up until a certain point yeah and then it diverged and i just want to figure out where that is which they bring up because of course marion and mime will escape and they will run in to villains and when the villains offer to pay them off they're like your dollars don't even have nixon on them i want your funny money right so ozzie mandia says he's gonna go after the smartest man yeah and rorschach can go after the second smartest man meanwhile throughout the story uh ozzy mandius keeps having like crippling headaches yeah rorschach is like oh it's getting worse he's like yeah we're racing against the clock that's my doomsday clock and i've got a tumor that's going to kill me and i gotta hurry up and save the world and you know not let my legacy be tarnished by the horse [ __ ] i made the amazing thing is i'm a super genius and i can't fix cancer yeah no one can fix cancer that's right yeah so ozzie mandias figures it all out like he finds out bruce wayne's batman immediately did he come here for the lazarus pit no damn it nope nope he doesn't know about the lazarus bit yeah and i guess when he finds out about it he didn't give a [ __ ] there's a there's a reason why he doesn't use the lazarus but we're good because that's his counterpart yeah and rorschach and batman so yeah rorschach breaks into wayne manor alfred made batman pancakes for later rorschach eats them because early in the story rorschach wanted the pancakes from his diner and it's a long story the point is he wanted pancakes pancakes are a thing yep and now he has them and now alfred is happy because master wayne finally ate a meal yeah no he finds out that rorschach ate them and because rorschach and batman will meet and the first thing batman says to him is you ate my breakfast so rorschach finds out about the bat cave he feels a draft he holds a match up to the clock uses the clock gets into the bat cave it he triggers the defenses batman immediately goes home so luther bumps into aussie mantis in his office and i love watching the two of them talk because it's just great because they're just talking down at each other yeah you may be the smartest man here but i'm still the smartest man well you may think you're the smartest man but i am the smartest man yes right i'm amazed that within three minutes they don't kill each other oh it's great uh ozymandias in in between the panels explains to luther what he did on his earth and why he's here now right and lex luthor goes let me get this straight and he breaks down what ozzie manny's plan was to unite the world right and he's like if you're the world's smartest man i'd hate to meet the dumbest that's the worst plan i've ever heard do you really expect every nation on earth to unite under one common foe that is so stupid well they did but until the lie was revealed yeah so i would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that damned rorschach yeah ozymandias and luther are attacked ozzy mandias dodges the bullet because he can luther does it what are you talking about he doesn't catch his no he just gets out of the way luther gets one in the chest and it is revealed that the comedian has returned oh what why this makes no sense the comedian's here and he is here to to to kill uh the comedian's [ __ ] dead my friend is not in this universe nope he's not so i'm gonna cut to how comedians here john brings the comedian here to kill bubastas ii because he doesn't want to be found so he knew about the time travel so john just goes comedian yeah he knew about the the intervention or the international travel yeah yeah we see the sequence where the comedian is killed yeah rosie mandias beats him and throws him out the window and as he fall as he's falling he venetian blinds out and lands in the harbor at uh yeah but metropolitan no like his body hit the pavement though like we saw it yeah so is john changing what happened john is john is borrowing the comedian um okay so comedian is like he's literally a foot or two away from street pizza and then lands in the ocean he's also severely beaten yeah yeah yeah he can get better though he does yeah else needs a day or two well blake wakes up in the harbor and he swims back to shore and when he gets there john's waiting for him and he goes hey blake he's like doc what are you doing here man so now the comedian is like an agent of doctor manhattan that's funny okay more or less as amanda's looks at him didn't i kill you already yeah ozzy managed immediately knows that it's john's work you know right they have a big fight how could you be here oh john exists done exists that's why i guess yeah comedian tries to knock ozzy manny's out the window but luther's glass is too strong he's like damn i really wanted to knock you out [Laughter] so ozzie mandy is basically dodges bullets from the comedian until the window is soft enough to break through when he escapes ah he intentionally jumps out the window that's right and bobassis too goes rare you you'll see everyone's every other panel for bobas is him saying wow because he's like a little cat i out of all of the exploitation of this the fact that there aren't boubastis the second dolls is a crime yeah he's adorable so cute yeah maybe the color changes too he's red when he's like young when he activates his uh when he activates his document powers it's his energy is of course all right so batman and and rorschach face off but it's not rorschach it's this other guy this [ __ ] guy it's reggie who's that she is a new character that is established in retconned as an old character we'll get into reggie okay but uh i used to be a superhero until i stopped now nope no no something else nope something else so rorschach says to batman you know i'm trying to save the world i'm trying to blah blah it doesn't matter please tell me it's not the freaking psychologist no it's not the psychiatrist he was like no he said it's a new character it's a new character it's a new make sure he had a deep connection with rorschach too he just lost some weight right yeah he got fit we haven't seen his face he could be old yeah getting strong uh so rorschach basically gives batman rorschach's journal he's like read this it'll be faster than me trying to explain it like horrible broken english okay by the way little eagle-eyed fan note uh archie lands in the dc universe they land in the carnival and the in the killing joke oh great okay tie that in too i'll tie that into yeah well three jokers doesn't come yet ah yeah he did set it up though but one thing at a time uh yeah then we're gonna get the friggin uh the freaking plant from uh the superman when it's oh yes the black mercy black mercy will show up at some point i'm shocked alan moore's greatest hits all covered in this book you just described jeff johnson's career i i understand that he wanted to do some great stuff but i can write it better well i could i could expound on that i could exploit it so rorschach gives batman his journal batman reads it yep uh marion mime escape i love it because marionette's like did you remember to bring your lock picks you know his his fake invisible lock yeah but they work but they work this time why would she suggest that knowing that they're not real because maybe it does work i don't know but that's the thing in their universe apparently it works anyway right well no he doesn't circumstances but like he breaks the lock or something however it works in the universe and watch it doesn't matter anymore so do we get a whole nine panel grid page they're all basically not yeah yeah uh where batman is reading the journal and rorschach is impatiently waiting and he says what page are you on and batman says four and he's like jesus and baby's like why don't you go upstairs and take a shower you have a way with people alfred's up there i'm sure he'd love your little project for alfred so meanwhile there is an old man no i'm not gonna even bother johnny thunder of the jsa exists in the dc universe in the like new 52 post rebirth continuity yeah but he never became johnny thunder so now he's just a 104 year old man in this sad nursing home okay johnny thunder knows he's supposed to be johnny thunder but he's trapped having lived this mundane life okay he's involved because he is a relic from the previous timeline right and he desperately wants to be relevant and madder again so people can be aware that something's wrong yeah yeah and there and that happens because of course like in dc universe rebirth wally came from the speed force and he's like things are changed right yeah we lost five years and there's a black me in this universe because they thought oh no one cares about wally we'll just update him and make him african-american and then people were like no no i want wally oh okay well then uh we'll call the new 52 wally wallace and we'll bring back wally so that has two kid flashes and both of them are called wally west but one's black and one's white because it'll be racist we got rid of the other one so let's just move on you know how like in kingdom come there is this character named norman mcrae who is like the specters tether to humanity narrative through line for kingdom come because you can't just tell a story about superman and fighting shazam what does it matter if there's not like some normal jokes exactly carver coleman is if so fact though the norman mcrae more or less carver coleman was this actor from the 40s he played a actor who portrayed a character named nathaniel dusk nathaniel dusk was a private eye in these like stories serial noir-ish detective movies yeah and in dc continuity he was a comic book character in a nathaniel dusk series from the 80s okay but it's new 52 so instead of nathaniel dusk having been a detective comic book that you read about in dc in doomsday clock slash new 52 it was a tv show it was it was a movie movie serial okay starring this guy carver coleman who came about in the like 30s and 40s okay and then got his big break in the 50s okay got it so we will be reminded of these and we're gonna be shown scenes from his last movie this is our black freighter it's our black raider okay the adjournment is the last nathaniel dusk picture for carver coleman because carver coleman would be brutally murdered with an award that he won in his house oh okay he was being blackmailed for reasons that never come out in the press in this continuity okay but the reality is he's gay uh in the 40s and 50s right so that's that and uh carver coleman of course like his story is that like he grew up on a farm and his mom and dad and his dad took him to this movie that really existed and when he saw that he grabbed a bag full of hopes and a pocket full of dreams and he headed to hollywood and he hit the pavement and he tried his best and eventually got his big break and as like a westerner and then moved on you know into the nathaniel dusk role yeah they became famous and then died uh in reality carver coleman grew up in philly to a single mom who turned tricks down the street he saw that movie that he loved by himself in the theater and then he left and then things happened that we'll get into later but like that's carver coleman coleman's just he's an actor he isn't a superhero he doesn't do anything special he just lives and dies and he was in these random movies that are referenced to this story right the story is also kind of parallel because like the adjournment was about these two people who were playing chess and then died they were murdered and then like it turns out that they knew each other it's a whole thing john's knock it off no it's gotta do it's it's gonna watch the story that's paralleling what's going on that's right it's a sequel to watch but it's got to have it it's got to have that so marion and mine go to this comedy club uh which is also unsavory and it's filled with like all these bad looking dudes yeah they all brandish their joker tattoos yeah marion and mine [ __ ] up these guys right dude you can see these like the way in which it is portrayed that like you know mime points his gun at the guy who's brandishing a knife at marionette yeah and then just pulls the trigger and blows his brains out i love that sequence the art is second to none you know for all the praises i'm saying jason feybach for three jokers gary frank this is a tour de force um what is marionette's ability here where she can slice she has a she has razor wire like a very thin razor wire that she uses and she just cuts people to ribbons yeah he's people and things people things that's i was rereading this the other day and just when she goes you got pretty eyes and jumps at his face from his pov i'm like oh my god no yeah after she cut off his hand she cuts off his hand he's like grabbing the stump yeah to stop the bleeding and then she just lunges at him yeah yeesh so marionette and mime are here because they're like we were coerced by ozzy mandius to come here to get jon under the pretense that they knew where our son was who was taken from me after i delivered him at the prison right right marinette mine had a kid he was born years ago in the watchmen universe and then disappeared and ozzymandia suggests that you might be in the dc universe so it doesn't take a genius to think oh my god are you retconning with a joke or is marrying it mime's son oh no no okay they land in the killing joke carnival yeah they go to the joker's bar they're looking for their son they find out that joker they're like let's look for him let's see let's see what the deals with this joker guy he sounds fun yeah well they're nuts and they're insane nuts too so okay we find out more about um rorschach okay you see rorschach's nightmares are he's driving towards the city yeah and then he sees he sees the psychic monster yeah he's there during the new york apocalypse okay or they call it the new york massacre but uh he's affected by the psychic monster but he wasn't killed by it okay so he is like messed up he has like constant problems mentally as a result of having been psychically attacked by the monster he also has a bubastis like mirror charm yeah well bubastis was an action figure and a toy line back then so batman wakes up rorschach and he's like i've read your journal well the previous rorschach journal yeah let's go i know where doc manhattan is what yup i figured it out from reading the journal okay so batman and rorschach sneak in and break into arkham it's also a cute little sequence where batman breaks out his grapple gun pulls out his much bigger grapple gun he's like has his envy because batman has a much more compartmentalized uh yes smaller is better he asks batman like if he can borrow one that means like okay well anyway he's in here so batman leads rorschach into the cell and then he closes the door on him and he goes you belong in here and then leaves yes oh my god that's awesome [Laughter] cool i like move i think that batman's able to do that like the people who run arkham are just like well batman drops him off yeah he draws you off all the time never steal from batman least of all his food we don't need like a court decision or anything or police just batman drops off anybody often we'll lock them in an empty cell yep alfred will make me dinner he'll make me lunch i'll let those go to waste but i never i never missed refuse i never missed it it's the most important meal of the day reggie is the psychiatrist from watchman's son oh you were close ben yeah yes he is the only black character in watchmen other than the kid who was reading the newspaper or the comics outside which actually would have been probably more poetic that would have been better but he wasn't the epicenter and he clearly yeah he's gone so he's not usable unless dr manhattan like saved him for no good reason yeah like he does constantly throughout this book but uh reggie's reggie's okay so the idea here is that uh he was deeply affected by rorschach because of his dad yes well when reggie finds out that his dad was assigned to the walter kovacs case on the news he leaves school to go visit because his mom when he calls up sounds upset so he's going to check on them and when he goes to check on them that's when he's hit by the the bomb the alien bomb which messes him up and uh so then he is put away and he goes to a like an asylum yeah in current continuity like right now a new psychiatrist goes to talk to reggie rorschach we see that reggie is in a constant state of like torture and chaos like he's talking to the psychiatrist one minute the alien like eye opens up in the psychiatrist's face and he finds himself back in the car after the blast right he's already messed up severe ptsd we see him going to the asylum and how he's like beaten and tortured and like you know doped up by those people yeah uh eventually he frees himself this is in the past from his straight makes his way out when he gets to the roof he bumps into this old man who is standing on the precipice and he's like hey reggie goes oh you're going to jump too cause he wants to kill himself and the old man's like no no i'm not going to jump i can fly they said i couldn't but i worked on it for a couple of months and i've got it all i just got to visualize what i want to see i see what i want to see and so he opens up his wings and you see that he is a like naked old man with a moth suit and he floats away yeah and this is is this this is mothman that was that oh it's going to be like i think it was mothman from the minutemen right it's really him it's really him okay not a thing but his imagination right so mothman escapes from insane asylum yeah this oh they found him so mothman got arrested he went to he went to his favorite diner he ordered eggs because he mentions to reggie like the eggs here are so dry they're terrible so he escapes he goes to a diner naked as the day he was born with his wings he orders eggs no money to pay for them no no and then he gets arrested and he gets brought back and reggie and mothman become like friends right yeah yeah and you know basically reggie is like broken and sad and red and mothman like sees something in him and so he like takes more to his wing so to speak and basically just tries to like make him feel okay and reggie has this like strong belief in his father and how like you know he was told like his his his father was getting through to rorschach and like rorschach and his dad were becoming friends and like their their life was getting better so you could say that reggie had a flame inside of him and a mothman was attractive was drawn to it you might say yeah and so he escapes he goes to like the epicenter where reggie came from you know in new york city yeah he like goes into his apartment and like steals some things forward like brings it back to him he's like hey merry christmas like if i only had my dad's notes i would know like where that was going and so he's reading the notes and it's basically just like that his dad believed that rorschach could be fixed or helped and that like he was getting through to him reggie sees one day on the news the revelation about everything how about it was fake about how everything's fake yeah yeah he told me yeah that's right so he blames veidt he now is like a name to blame for like his father's destruction and the dissolution of you know his whole family being destroyed yeah he blames veidt so he's like now i have like a reason i have purpose yeah reggie and byron escape by causing a fire and burning the asylum down hundreds of people died oh yeah they're going into the woods and then byron's like hey man i gotta go like good luck in your mission and then he just goes and walks into the fire oh my god he is drawn to the flag oh my god jesus that's great uh when reggie like makes it to like the first milestone he opens up a knapsack that was made by byron and it has a note or a letter that is written to reggie that's like i was never going to come with you like but i hope you find what you're looking for and remember to see what you want to see and like you know you blah blah blah like good luck yeah uh so yeah so reggie makes his way to the arctic uh wearing rorschach's mask this was like a month before the events at the beginning of this book yeah he becomes rorschach in like a month yeah okay he's already forgets how to speak yeah yeah well he yeah but he chooses to speak like that because he's rorschach he's like a grappling gun and stuff like that and he goes to vice stronghold to kill him sure and when he gets there invites like oh good you're here to kill me because i just found out i have a glioblastoma in my skull and i'm going to die anyway and well this is excellent timing yeah and he shows like he feels horrible and remorse and he's like and and that stays reggie's hand and it keeps him from killing ozzy mandy's and instead the two of them like work together you know basically reggie sees the pain and remorse in ozymandias and he's like oh this is good enough right like the fact that he's going to die the fact that he feels bad about it and then he wants to make amends i want them to keep feeling bad there we go i'll keep them alive right so then the two of them go when they execute their plan to steal marion and we're caught up to exactly okay so everything's basically explained at this point oh yeah absolutely except for where the superman theory well the superman theory and also like the entire universe like what did john do exactly right well he will we will explain what john does to make the dc universe the way it is yeah okay so john does make the dc universe well he [ __ ] with it no he just messes with it this universe existed before john showed up okay because he was going to be like i'm going to go create some like yeah he said he was going to but like he didn't no well he was on his way but then he found the dc universe instead so of course when ozzie mandy is got shot at and jumped out the window yeah he was severely injured and he ends up in the hospital well yeah he jumped out of lexcorp yeah he doesn't have a parent no he lands on like awnings and stuff yeah so i planned it perfectly yeah yeah so ozymandias frees himself from the hospital he impersonates a police officer and makes his way like to hatch his plan when he gets too bad rescues two bastards so perry white of the daily planet uh alters lois lane's article about the assassination attempt on lex luthor by saying that there was a meta-human assassin who tried to kill lex luthor and lois is like i didn't say he was met a human you use that because that's the words that are being used currently to stow up public descent he's like yeah i get clicks too oh oh oh i see that new lingo so perry's a bastard he's like i need to keep this you want to get health insurance we got to sell papers here yeah all right and he goes listen like he was wearing a purple cape when he tried to kill lex luthor yeah it's not too much of a stretch to assume he was a medical so they don't know about the comedian no no no the communion escaped oh okay so they think it was it was awesome they tried to kill lex luthor i see yeah because they found him outside he jumped out the window exactly that makes sense there were these [ __ ] people those are the russian metahumans that work for putin oh that's all the russian men humans yes well the ones that are worth the damn yeah see they have they they got submitted here it's not just the u.s yeah yeah and maybe some of them were created by the russian government to the superman of america [Music] man so while reggie was in arkham he bumps into jane doe is it's saturn girl saturn girl from the legion of superheroes is here and she is a psychic from the legion of superheroes who shouldn't exist but she does anyway she's here yeah i was gonna say she can't exist because the future team doesn't exist right but there are still like pockets of references and and pieces from the previous timeline slash universe okay and she's one of them and she knows she's a legion superheroes and she can read minds when she reads reggie's and she's like you're you're mine's the best does she know she's not supposed to be there she doesn't understand why there's no reference to her okay why don't people know who i am yes and the reason why she's in the asylum is because she thinks she's from the future and they put her away right right okay but uh reggie's door just miraculously opens and then he and saturn girl leave and they get their costumes together they break into a costume shop she makes she approximates a saturn girl costume and reggie approximates his rorschach outfit as the supermen theory starts to boil over it starts to so significant discord in rival governments to the americans the russians for example putin has assembled his own team of russian loyalist metahumans is one of them a bear that he can ride unfortunately not though now the dc universe is heading in the same direction that the watchmen the universe was exactly with tensions geopolitical tensions but not with nuclear weapons right um johnny thunder escapes from his old folks home and yeah retirement we got a silver alarm he believes that all he needs to do is find his lamp and get the genie and then everything will make sense and he won't be 102 anymore or irrelevant or have lived this like miserable life sure so he goes and he wants to go to the all-american steel mill all-american is the name of the comic from which he came which is why it's called that the idea here is that like the lamp is connected tangentially via the jsa to alan scott's lantern i was going to ask if it was a connection to alan scott but alan scott of course he happens upon a magic lantern as he is involved in a train wreck and finds himself miraculously unharmed as a result of having possessed the green lantern and then subsequently becomes the green lantern of the jsa and of the 40s johnny thunder was a member of that team uh and so there's a connection there and he uh has a horrible time that's what matters there yeah um so when ozzie mandy is frees himself and tobastas he goes back to the ship and when he gets there batman's in the cockpit and he goes so you're adrian bite i've read all about you now how did batman find archie uh my assumption is he used these a similar tachyon tracker from the button in his adventure with the flash using that i like this concept that batman knows that rorschach is right but he's like you still have to be in the same yeah well he he's like i can't let rorschach run amok in my house right i put him in an asylum because he'll be presumably that's where he belongs right and no one ever escapes from arkham so well you know usually they have powers or at the very least they have like very significantly strong madness on their side right roshack's just like a nuisance uh so he goes to veit and he deals with him um i love comedian ends up at the bar where marionette mime have been because of course he's chasing after white and his associates and when the cops show up he's there right and uh and he just goes i'm not here for you so you don't see me i'm like what are you talking about man we're gonna arrest you and he goes okay or or you don't die and you didn't see me you know this wasn't me i'm just i'm just passing through and they just let him go what because he's just so scared because he's yeah he's just a terrified man also the scene that greets them is horrifying yeah it's a grisly scene uh marionette and mime of course continue to attack and target joker-centric gang areas to try and get the attention of the joker because they're interested in the joker now okay literally yeah there's like oh everyone's got a hard-on for this joker guy i guess we better find him yeah he's clown themed we're kind of clowns anyway yeah so batman and ozzy mandias jump into archie and they fly away uh basically they're just having a conversation and that means letting ozzy mandy is giving a lift yeah i'm amazed he doesn't like freak out seeing this owl ship being like well the corner of owls has got to be behind us or something the court of all regrettably shows up in this for a second and i am a hundred percent convinced it's because of the delays and editorials desire to cement this into continuity right no no it's all part of it yeah because snyder is is is cooking up his own [ __ ] right and john's and snyder's visions for the future of the dc universe couldn't be more divergent because literally there's a sequence where the court of owls show up and they reveal there's a new character called the judge of owls and his first and last appearance is that issue like snyder goes nope not doing anything with the judge of owls i'm not doing that that didn't i yeah i invented the court of owls and yes i like using them but no i didn't make that i didn't make that [ __ ] you john's you can't just come in here and do this the list of meta-humans who are assumed to be part of the superman theory include characters like firestorm oh who was covered created in a lab he was created in a lab it was a us government facility there was a scientist and a dude seemingly at random right uh but they are fused together it wasn't an accident yes that's right that's that's the that's the implication and firestorm's russian counterpart and sometimes villain is all he's like yup nope i was made by made in the lab he was made in the lab we were made by our respective governments and firestorms like no that's horse [ __ ] right he's a kid the superman theory is total [ __ ] and pozar is an [ __ ] [Laughter] wait his like villain counterparts name is pozar yeah you know because he's a poser he's not really firestorm and then uh we see another villain um killer frost was like oh no firestorm's definitely one of them wow okay and so do we know as the reader are we like we don't know do they are they right are those russians right right that's that's what we're do we're like what the [ __ ] what the [ __ ] what do you mean okay that's camping yeah this is insane exactly i got all these firestorm books oh god oh my god oh god lois goes to interview lex luthor in the hospital uh sam lane lewis's dad who's a general yeah oh yeah he was shot i was like he got shot by the comedian uh but sam lane is basically a doctor strange levian character in this story where he is just like he's like let's drop the bombs we got to do it now right like he's all up yeah um and luther's like hey like i said no press but i always make an exception for you lois like he is so arrogant and such well in addiction mind he just got proven the smartest man in all reality yeah he met ozzy i'm the smartest man in two worlds at least but no luther luther is high on a different realization that he hasn't revealed yet yeah well definitely morphine but also like he has been doing some research having bought up all those companies throughout the story okay that imply that he is the fulcrum upon which a lot of really important [ __ ] rests like he's like i am more important than i thought i was and i thought i was a pretty big deal god damn but uh okay but yeah great but basically lois is like she wants to get to the bottom of it she's like i know that dude who attacked you was not a medic i want to know more about what's going on luther basically reveals to lois like i know that the the superman theory was created by a metahuman who was created by the government and i can't tell you who they are but i can tell you they were a member of the justice league once um so uh johnny thunder makes his way to the steel mill he is attacked by tweakers uh they try to murder him uh but then rorschach and saturn girl save him uh they find the green lantern of alan scott in there and then they so we got different teams now they find it yeah it's in there it is it is in the mill okay um it's been powering the mill this whole time yeah um ozzy mandius and batman have this conversation where ozzy mandius is like you're stupid superheroes are dumb your revolving door asylums and prisons are like garbage you never actually affect anything like he he's like i've been in your universe for like a couple days like you said how do you know all this well i've done my research i went to the library i went to the library it was probably just like mine it's just like superheroes with more dumb superheroes like you guys are a lot more work yeah i read the superman theory it's it's nightmarish right and you're stupid and he just rolls archie and just drops batman out into the ensuing riot that is destroying gotham who hate batman yeah who hate batman so batman's beaten up while marion and mine make their way up to the top of the uh gcpd where they see that like the bat signal's been destroyed oh and they bump into the joker so now we've got some teams uh we've got saturn girl and johnny thunder and rorschach right we've got marionette and mime and joker we've got john somewhere and we haven't seen yet we haven't seen yet who has not actually appeared in the story yet uh other than like little clips of him like being like hey i brought the comedian back exactly but yeah even then we only see his feet we got the comedian out there somewhere yep comedian's there and he's doing his own thing uh so joker oh and there is another element and a big plot point regarding the superman thing which is that as the governments of the world are starting to turn against slash create their own armies for meta-humans they're also like hunting down meta-humans and like they're trying to like they they've created a technology that can identify the meta-human gene which was established in invasion which is amazing because like that story sucks and we covered it on this channel yeah and it's referenced in this that thanks to invasion we know that like one of one in 1 000 people have this meta-human gene and if they go through a life events a life-threatening trauma yeah it could activate it but most people live and die having never activated their metahuman gene right usually the resultant powers are in some way connected to the life-threatening event that they were in yeah and so we've discovered that there is a gene in people that makes them superheroes in this reality yeah is this civil war where people have to register with the government no but certain governments you can imagine which ones develop like metal detector technology that like oh you're a metahuman get in the uh concentration camp right and we'll keep you there uh and they're just well you know they're not concentration camps they're when i say i'm at happy camps where they're being kept uh with with the in the lab yes from themselves so that they don't and any traumatic experience why trigger them exactly yeah life endangering experiences so they won't become yes a problem yes so we've never really talked about this character before but black adam is a shazam villain yeah he is thousands of years old and he's supposed to be shazam but [ __ ] up [ __ ] happened and instead he is an evil shazam that draws powers from not from from egyptian gods as opposed to the gods that are used okay for shazam so instead of like saying shazam he has to say like he says shazam it's just they stand for it's just that the s h and a stand for different things oh oh okay okay well you shouldn't have like what coincidence indeed it is so same it's a very powerful magical word that's right black adam winds up at this point basically becoming the ruler of a country called kondok it's made up for dc just like you know central city and everything else yeah right but uh black adam rules this country and is also a like anti-hero kind of character okay depending this is all real black adam is all real black adam lore okay but black adam rules conduct and black adam is like taking this opportunity to say to the world and to the metahumans at large you know your governments don't care about you they're selling you out they're lying about you my god come to conduct and you will be safe thanks magneto yeah yeah yeah so black adam is basically amassing his own army of metahumans oh who are defecting to conduct and becoming like citizens but really they're part of his his private army the superman theory went from being like a rumor i love it in the beginning of the story they were like oh they used it they used a brilliant literary device where it kept being used in quotations until it started to become more popular and then they just dropped the quotations they called it the superman theory no it is real right and that's definitely no it's definitely happening and we have no actual evidence to support it but enough people have corroborated that it is real enough for us to buy it people said it enough that now it's real and governments are buying in like right literally the russian government's like it's real the americans are doing it we're actually going to start amassing our own like wnds and the former people to deal with it okay there's a great amazing chapter that shows you the origin of marionette mime i don't want to get into it too much there's not much to do with it it just it allows you to understand the motivations of marionette mime marionette is the daughter of an immigrant doll maker and they owned a like marionette doll shop right and across the street mime was the son of the store owners there uh and was mute and was basically ignored by his family and both of them were dogged by the local mob who demanded protection money so they grew up together they grew up together that's cute yeah ultimately marionette's father realizes that he will never be free of these people and so he hangs himself and writes a letter to his daughter that says like the only thing i can give you is my life and they will leave you alone now please tell me he doesn't know himself with the marionettes of course he's a marionette puppeteer it's a great visual image of him hanging with his puppets the but the two of them hook up and seek righteous vengeance against the their their tormentors and they never leave each other's side again okay we see this as joker has procured batman oh what yeah oh from the angry mob from the angry mob yeah we don't see him get him but i presume joker just shows up and goes get the [ __ ] out of the way and everyone acquiesces so joker ties batman into a wheelchair and just is is taking him to a meeting that is taking place it's against the legion of evil or the the the grouping of darkness whatever nickname they want to call themselves this week but everyone's getting together they bump into mr frieza's goons who are like weird parkas and they think that mr freeze was arrested and so they joined joker's gang where they get like these horrible tetanus infected tattoos of the joker when they all get to the meeting mr freeze is there and they're like oh [ __ ] we're screwed it doesn't matter the point is joker is bringing marion and mime to this meeting under duress like they are hostages of the joker you know by uh by his henchmen yeah okay but we know they're gonna escape and they know they're gonna escape and it's like eventually marionette mime is going along for now find their way to get the henchman killed joker shoots one maybe by accident maybe not and uh and then he goes all right come on let's let's drop the pretense of you being my first let's just go so joker marion mime and batman wheel into this like abandoned subway station yeah where they run into all these villains and riddler has called the meeting and it's so great because ridler's like okay so everything's falling apart the world's going tits up it's time for us to act and they're like dude no right like they all have their own plans yeah we're not gonna team up no the the rogues gallery offers to use mirror master to help anyone who has powers to go to conduct for a price of course and captain boomerang's like sometimes a member of the rogues but also he's been more prominently a member of the suicide squad and he's like screw it they sent the suicide squad into conduct a week ago we've never seen him again don't go there and uh it's great because riddler's like no no come on come on guys guys guys like we're losing focus here and then joker shows up and he's like ladies and gentlemen and really like oh no not joker i'm not done come on i was finally going to be a big shot yeah nope i was going to have a movement yeah is that not john no that's a typhoon typhoon is a meta-human who is also according to the appendices created via the superman theory okay because he has like the same bizarre underwear as john and the same blue skin yeah he's like the lex luthor yeah too his face explodes because comedian shows up and he's like oh man this is going to be great and you just start shooting everybody oh opening fire he's killing court of owl members he blew typhoon's face off uh typhoon was invented for this book no typhoon was a character oh [ __ ] typhoon the comedian just killed him from another universe i reckon that he was created by this thing we just made up yep and i blew his face off by the comedian from the watchman books okay um riddler yells at comedian and comedian shoots his kneecap off oh [ __ ] and starts blowing [ __ ] up he's like throwing grenades and joker's like what a perfect day this turned out to be this is amazing i never anticipated this is whoa magnet and my escape they go to a hotel they bang uh and thank god we're free now we can have sex again they are so lovey-dovey i'm sorry i'm shocked they don't bang at the end of every scene they're in uh but they bang comedian shows up he's like i knew where you were i followed you i followed you and so he's gonna blow them away and then joker hand buzzers the comedian makes fun of him takes his button oh and then just like trying to make this a three-way yeah but maybe he puts it on his lapel and they're like you know we were just thinking maybe the comedian knows who doctor where dr manhattan is and joker's like that sounds great because it hurts when i smile i could use a dentist because he assumes like dr manhattan is like the name of like a dentist ah right but like hey hurts when i smile so i guess i know which joker this is except it looks just like the other joker oh it's joker is it john's no no they all hurt when they smile oh maybe oh i mean they all feel in the acid right so they should have the same sentence but only the criminal said complained about it yeah all right it's also a really fun uh device that they used throughout the book where uh as each chapter goes this this pool of rest pool of red yeah gets closer to the doomsday clock as it gets closer to doomsday right 12 o'clock being represented by the superman's logo okay yeah and of course like each issue is another minute closer each uh so the blood's coming down the clock's ticking up oh oh [Laughter] so ozymandias in archie picks up rorschach johnny thunder and sadder girl he's like i need rorschach okay i'm getting them getting the team back together back together here we go who's this who's this saturn girl person you mean are you being aussie man yeah yeah he doesn't know yeah uh but he doesn't like the fact that she's a telepath oh oh uh that's okay i can think enough thoughts and clap my mind that's right no what about this lamp i see the lamps coming into play here just explain the origin of actually actually it's not even johnny thunder's lamp it is the origin of green lantern's lantern that green land oh alan scott's green lantern yeah came from a meteorite that landed and a mystic found it made it into a lamp and then he was murdered the lamp was taken it was melted down and turned into a lantern and then that lantern was thrown into a steel mill where it was found uh by johnny thunder like you know several like decades later okay and then i guess put back there yeah for them to find now yeah okay whether or not it was always they were not meant to find it but there it is yeah two bastards acts like a magnet he's going to pull us to dock manhattan let's go right i got everybody i need i got yeah i got everybody excuse me got to steer things back to the way things are going so uh we and i by the way like as exploitative as it is as like horrible as it is like the concept here in the image of joker wearing the button mm-hmm it's kind of neat well it's got a smile like admittedly as an image of itself it's like oh like that's that's a neat idea if only there was some depth right so joker's lair is like you know one of his many mad houses filled with like fun [ __ ] i love how he he assumed he made a point of saying when he when he when he goes and rescues marinette and mime from comedian he says like you know i assumed that you were sent here by harley because my birthday is coming up yeah because like look at you guys yeah harley quinn does not show up in this book oh she's a she is on like she's there's a picture of her in joker's lair right yeah of the new harley yeah but she doesn't factor in which i really appreciate well she can't factor in she's a superhero now right she's a pillar of the dc universe so uh marion and mime are gonna like torture comedian until he explains like what's going on where their son is and that's what they're because that's the whole thing they want to know right so they start to torture them and as they're torturing comedian uh mime turns and marionette's like what is it and mine makes a batman face and batman's freed himself and so they fight and the fight is brutal i love this fight between marionette mime and batman and what does joker do in all this he's just having a blast he's just laughing he's loving the chaos he pulls out his flamethrower he makes a phallic reference with it look look it's my dick it's my dick do you get it and fire's coming out i must have an std so yeah he goes uh he goes come on somebody laugh and then rorschach shows up he goes no time for laughing oh where why is rorschach here because they all showed up and remember uh ozzy manuel was pulled here oh john's here ozzy mandy has uses two bastards and in conjunction with the lantern he winds up pulling jon to that location he needs to find marion at mine because he wants to use marionette to get john to convince uh to go back and fix it he was looking for me he's like mine yes and he uses two bastards too because of course they have tachyons from the same universe right so they they wind up there they all get together magic lantern yeah adrian grabs two basses and the lantern puts them together and it pulls john there oh so john finally appears coincidentally everyone that john would need to talk to and is it from the watchmen universe is within john's sphere of influence he creates a he cuts a circle around them and takes them away leaving batman and joker by themselves like you're not even supposed to be here yeah we're not going to see a scene where batman matches wits with dr manhattan and i'm sorry to say you'll never see that oh it doesn't happen that would not happen in this book yeah because batman needs to freaking repair his wrist right yeah so he'll probably cut some tendons there or something so no he's fine so john cuts the circle and adrian goes i just want to talk and john goes let's talk all right so he venetian blinds us to a like pretty area where they have a conversation and uh he says you've gone a long way for nothing man because i'm not going back like i'm not [ __ ] busy i'm busy yeah look at look at all these fun people here i can't go back now i'm in the middle of myself i'm in the middle of something yes uh you know he says you thought that like maybe i might have changed my mind about murdering these two because of the baby but it's not has nothing to do with the fact that she's pregnant and uh and and marionette goes what did you do with my child in manhattan goes witch child yeah and she goes what do you mean which she goes oh sorry you're pregnant again [Laughter] and they're like oh so they're off like they're off the off of adrienne's plan yeah they still want to know where their son is but like you know they're gonna have enough oh we're gonna don't care as much they care less they're more excited that they're gonna have another kid manhattan's like i'm not gonna help you adrian i'm disappointed in you and rorschach goes no he's changed he he got cancer and he's different and manhattan goes hadrian doesn't have cancer oh he lied yup ugh does rorschach just goes why did you lie and he goes well i need your help you see what you want to see man he's like he goes i knew everything about you before you even walk through the door i'm smart man in the world yeah buddy you're an idiot i put you together you want like you think that you were tipping up with taking up the mantle of a character that's like a superhero that you like was your friend of your dads he destroyed your father he his his worldview infected your father and his cynicism destroyed your your parents marriage oh jeez rosa ruined your life and you're wearing his mask you stupid [ __ ] hey we have a red hood analog right oh my god fight you douche oh he's such a monster yeah so manhattan uh he blinks to washington dc where the riots are getting worse the riots of you know you see them in metropolis and gotham and dc like this is what america looks like just overwhelmed by like i don't understand why people are so mad about this meta-human thing right well and why they're taking it out on batman i guess the idea well right why batman why is batman such a the dc universe built a flash museum these people worship superheroes so yeah they are akin to gods and if they were just manufactured by the government it takes away something like honesty some of the specialness of it yeah okay and like if i can't trust these characters then what can i trust and why would the government lie to me and it's like such a big lie it just right it sews such incredible discord within the the country that it like splits it apart plus the threat of nuclear or meta-human annihilation from foreign and domestic threats right it becomes even more that's always been the case you've always had metahumans that could destroy the world yeah they fight against each other so that they don't they weren't paraded on tv by putin yeah they weren't talking about how they were going to steal these like horrible fallible earth governments they were you could imagine that they were maybe good people on their doing their own thing just like everyone yeah and now i find out that like oh they're actually part of the government yeah which is like corrupt and horrible i never trusted the government to begin with well yeah and now there's like a threat from other governments having them so it's like look what you did you created this like night they're like nuclear missiles dramatically speaking what really happens is because of the distrusted superheroes hope starts to fade within the hearts of the citizenry throughout the dc universe and manhattan says as much where he's like i thought i might like join these guys but i looked into their future and i saw hopelessness i looked at their their best and the last thing i see is his hope fade and then nothing like i am done talking to you and that's all you get he winds up taking them into the past into a nathaniel dusk screening and they're like what are you doing what is this and he's like carver coleman was a was a guy who was full of hope too one time but in this universe that you're not from yeah you don't know who that is but like take it from me he was a guy who was full of hope and he and he didn't have it at the end either yeah in fact therefore i am right i'm i was wrong about what i said at the end of watchmen when nothing ends right actually everything ends the whole conceit of the end of watchmen for doc manhattan was wrong right he's like no everything ends and i'm going to show you anyway get out of here okay in the world no it's just more like i've been doing my own experiments here and they all lead to the thesis that is everything ends interesting so he's trying to alter he's already altered yeah yeah john go to the source wall tell me what you think then right yeah don't go back there though because perpetua is there that's that becomes a problem anyway so uh they get linked back to joker's lair and adrian's like okay that didn't work but if i call him again then he'll have to listen to me and then russia kicks him in the face and he's like what's wrong with you yeah and uh and joker's like i don't know what i missed but that was amazing and batman's like okay joker well time to take you to arkham and joker like grabs batman's face and elects his body it just it becomes a big mess i love it because then like rorschach beats the [ __ ] out of adrian and then joker offers to like to help rorschach he's like well a little constructive christmas and then rorschach beats the [ __ ] out of joker and as he's standing over joker joker wipes the blood of his mouth and then draws a smile on rorschach's face and then rorschach rips off his mask and he leaves uh oh he doesn't continue beating the joker i'm done with worship no he just leaves yeah rorschach is dead and he becomes a homeless person living among gotham oh okay uh adrian gets on well he literally doesn't have a home here that is fair yes but he doesn't he doesn't go anywhere he just he sits on the streets okay without his mask uh adrian gets back onto archie saturn girl's like what's going on here and he goes i guess you could say i learned some things the hard way and saturn girl goes wait a minute i can read your thoughts and that's not supposed to happen and then adrian punches her in the face and he's like nope i've got this i just need a little bit more information but once i do i think i can save everybody oh god i've got this it's gonna be the same plan yeah i got this i got this i'm gonna show everyone a giant squid monster they haven't seen it here exactly i i haven't i only show everyone okay meanwhile whatever it is it's threatening the whole future of the dc universe the saturn girl is like no no no no you're not supposed to do that john then proceeds to explain that like one month in the future i see superman and he is screaming in my face and coming to kill me and right before he makes contact i see nothing and i can't see the future so either he kills me or i end everything oh but either way everything ends like even for me right and that's that's the the realization or the revelation that gives john his futile hopelessness why wouldn't he have seen that already though because he saw all time he did already see that it's just that we get to find out now that that's what that's where his that because at the end of watchmen he's like i'm going to go and create some [ __ ] but instead he went into the dc universe and he's like this place is interesting and and so he finds them why didn't he already know that he was going to do that oh well yeah that's a good question so so uh so as as as as john is walking across the surface of this different mars the photo of john osterman and jenny floats to the to the surface hmm did he bring it i guess he brought it with him from his universe there is a whole thing about the photo oh all right here we go oh so now we get to catch up with his history no oh no like how he got what had what he did when he first gets the dc universe and everything oh yeah we do we get that all right so uh ozymandias breaks into the white house and steals some documents and reads them and says this will do nicely okay how does he do that well you impersonate somebody he's super smart that's all we see two bastards it's the answer how do you know it's the white house oh it's got the seal that's the only one and then sitting there on the seal yeah they're all adorable he's so cute they do a good job of drawing that cat yeah lois has mailed a mysterious package it arrives on her desk she's about to read it when the news breaks that firestorm in a fit of rage broke russian airspace and attacked oh poser and i love because perry's like this is it folks who wants to go to moscow [Music] lane and kent are like right here yep um so firestorm is attacked by like the russian equivalent of the justice league uh and he is his flame is snuffed out he lands among the russian people they start tearing him apart and he erupts with power and turns all of the people in the square into glass oh [ __ ] he's like [ __ ] he bails and now everyone's like look at what the american made superhuman did to these people in moscow yep clark flies as superman he goes to kondak and superman's like i just want to talk to him about what happened and black adam's like he's not here but he's welcome here adam had earlier attacked syria and has created an international incident in his own right oh so conduct's looking pretty bad right okay and the world is you know gonna descend into into chaos uh lois opens the mysterious package at her house she checks the flash drive and watches a little video about the justice society of america which never existed which never existed there's like saboteurs spies and fascists only the justice society of america can stop them is it the what okay oh they got a flash too that's weird yeah that a green lantern but it's totally different who's who's weak to wood i guess that's way lamer than being weak to yellow i'd say it's pretty much even steven uh you can coat anything in yellow yeah at least wood still burns yeah that's true you could just cut a stitch and just whap them so anyway superman ultimately finds ronnie firestorm uh he's hiding in like a silo and he has taken a glass boy and he's trying to use his powers and he's cleaning bring him back yeah and he's pleading with the professor part of him to like show him the like the chemical formula that he needs to use to to make him a person again and superman's like what's going on ron and he's like superman i don't know what i did it's just this heartbreaking sequence where he's like i don't i didn't want to do this and i just want to fix it and superman's like hey hey listen you made this happen you can do it right maybe you can undo it yeah no you you can right you already did it like you've done it once you could do it again just do it just just undo it and oh just don't do it just okay i'll just do that yeah but superman is the calming effect on right he's just like i don't know he goes well you got to get out of here i'm going to spell this much energy and he goes no no i'm going to stand i'm right here i got it yeah so superman stands by him and ronnie uses his powers and the boy is saved i love him wow he wasn't and superman's like okay bad try on the first attempt right let's get another glass person we'll see what we can do yes so uh putin goes to the square surrounded by these glass members of his citizenry right and he's like i'm declaring war in america they declared war on me and then uh yeah and superman shows up and he's like okay okay let's let's let's let's dial things back and putin's like ah good superman you're here because you don't speak for the american government you're not from there like you're an alien right so you are the only one and that's the whole thing that like john's want you to understand about this whole thing in the superman theory is that right superman's above the theory right everyone's like okay well we can all trust superman yeah but everything else is fair game especially batman right especially batman who has no powers so uh you know pozar is like well you gotta hand over firestorm he's the he's the one who [ __ ] this up he's gotta answer to those people right and superman's like listen there's still hope what happened is an accident and so he gets in front of the podium and in front of the tv the cameras that were playing for putin right and he addresses the nation where he's talking about like the superman theory and batman is in a bat plane on his way and he's like oh [ __ ] and he like hits a he he hits a switch that sets his mic to a frequency oh the superman can hear he's like clark stop stop what you're doing stop talking and it gives clark pause but he still keeps going and he's like because what clark is monologuing is that the persecution of metahumans is wrong and batman's like you can't pick a side right and so as batman is telling him not to pick a side superman says the persecution of human any humans meta or otherwise is wrong right and that immediately turns the world against superman because they're like he picked metahumans he's defending them right firestorm just did this to human beings they want him to answer for his crimes and superman's defending him and not handing him an over and he's talking about how no like you're you're persecuting these people because of their differences from you that's wrong right and putin's like nope this guy he's like he's an agent yep yeah yeah yeah so then ronnie arrives and he brought the boy and he's like okay everybody i got it i can figure this out and then the uh the military starts shooting at him right because he's an enemy of the state and they start shooting and their bullets start hitting the people who made it and ronnie's like no stop i gotta fix this no i can't fix the broken like and the you know the the russian metahumans are like superman's here do we fight him and they're like go so then the regiment's attack the russian media humans are like we don't want to do this yeah putin gives the okay the tanks start rolling in they roll over the people and superman's like no and superman hits the tank yeah that's the photo everyone sees a superman attacking this government's military yep batman so ronnie is blasting superman should be fast enough to stop the tanks before anyone gets crushed well he is he was dealing with the metahumans attacking him so and only a couple people got crushed by the tanks but okay it's still like every every shatter is a life lost that didn't have to be lost and ronnie's just like he's like scooping up people he's like i can't fix this and he is he starts overloading like pieces of them everywhere if i make that flesh it'll just be gross you know the bat plane is heading towards the area he's just trying to get there and he's telling clark like hey listen the energy readings are spiking you got to stop him and superman puts his hand on ronnie's shoulders like hey you got to stop and batman's like no stop clark it's not firestorm that's doing this and then ronnie seemingly erupts with blue energy batman's downed and ozymandias in his new lair with modern lcd screens uh is watching the news broadcast and he's like excellent oh this is much better look at how flat they all are look at the high def yeah these wonderful news stories yeah which are which by the way are excellently depicted like i love them which one oh daily planet yes i'm in mississippi superman missing the one they're doing oh what happened now perry you're not going after the big scoop no so dr manhattan is revealing everything this is the issue where we find out a lot of [ __ ] okay dr manhattan is standing on the surface of mars he grasps a legionnaire ring with blood stained on it not unlike the button itself right yeah and he's like he tells the story of a member of the legion of superheroes who dies and their legionnaire ring like floats through space he also talks about an engineer on a train named alan scott who reaches for a green magic lantern i move the lantern six inches away from his grasp the train derails he dies the legionnaire ring disappears huh dr manhattan is the reason there is no jsa or his legion of superheroes that when doc man first arrived right so he was like oh this is interesting and the more information he gleans from what he observes the more interested he becomes in experimentation and so one of those things is like the ripple effect and he's right so he so he wants to see what would happen if there was no jsa yes well but not because he's like [ __ ] the jsa or they're boring it's right it's that what if there was a world without heroes no i think no no it looks to be just like what happens if i change one thing in this unit well it's it's it's more specific i don't want to get to it right away okay but he's just you see he's doing it yeah and he reveals doing it yeah this chapter is called crisis every superhero traces the energy signature that was taken in moscow to mars and everyone goes so the dc universe fights dr manhattan huh we see every ship and every representative of the dc universe we got the lantern corps like people from space and genesis the justice league the doom patrol the justice dark the bat family only the charlton characters get their own ship there we have one too after the devastation of moscow superman and batman are recovered batman gets back to the cave superman is sent into a secret lair within the hall of justice in dc and he's in a coma a healing coma right more or less yeah so with so all of the superheroes have left to fight what they seem to what they believe is the the big bad the russian superheroes are they also going nope no so no because they think it was like superman or whatever yeah yeah yeah even though it was a blue flash well i guess were they destroyed because they were right there yeah no because they happened they can't be batman didn't die right what seems like it happened is what seems like what it seems like is firestorm went ballistic yeah he went nuclear and blew everything up but we know because it's blue right and we're meant to assume that john intervened you're right and blew them up right but it can't be because but john wouldn't do that because it was too bastards we'll get to why that isn't that's why fight was just like oh yeah yeah but who died uh all those glass people well the glass people yeah but not the russian superheroes no i guess not putin i guess not he did he was right there he really should be maybe the meta human saved him okay we pose our savings yeah i love that uh wonder woman is not really in the story much because like the femiskerians are like it's all falling apart go get wonder woman they send all the amazons they collect her off panel wonder was just like literally kidnapped by the themselves and brought back to paradise island okay that's hilarious batman is like being tended to by alfred he you know wakes up and he just sets up camp in the cave because he's like okay i'm figuring this out i'm like half step ahead of everybody else right i have the journal uh i should be able to piece it together yeah no man that happened like 30 years ago damn it ronnie and professor stein were separated and they are recovered and put in one of the ships that is heading towards dr manhattan oh ronnie's like i want to kick ass and stein's like we shouldn't even be here so the heroes engage batman said it wasn't even firestorm but now we're seeing the two people that make up firestorm and they're there and they were brought with the heroes so it was firestorm firestorm was used but he was not the culprit it was made to look like firestorm was the tool yes no no they didn't even use him it's just that they he was he was there oh his proximity yeah everyone who was watching assume it was firestorm because why would they assume a naked blue foreigner blew up the you know the square yeah they've never even seen that guy when he said it's not firestar he meant the energy readings he was seen oh yes yes yeah because when i first read it i thought that doc manhattan was impersonating firestorm yeah for the new 52 doc manhattan had been firestorm the whole time we weren't playing a part but no it wasn't it's not firestorm he didn't mean that guy is not fine no it means the energy you're really reading i'm seeing on my scopes or whatever yes yeah yes all right uh one of the lanterns jessie cruz discovers osterman's photograph she's like what is this why is there this weird tile floor here yeah yeah oh and we see if the file the firestorm file yeah well that's on the that well okay so it's all it's all going sideways right every american superhero and every member of every super team that you you read a book about gets in a ship of some kind and flies to mars to fight dr manhattan because they believe that the energy signatures that they saw from firestorms attack was dr manhattan the president's aides are like so yeah no there is like there is like a superman theory and it is real and uh all the heroes are gone and like you need to start you need to step up mr president like you've got to start like leading right superman theory was real why wasn't aware of this they give them and they give you possible liabilities that's right exactly uh so he gets the firestorm file what does that mean oh my god right it means that the theory was right yep well or parts of it were yeah okay so or they have a file on him anyway and you need to say that he that that you disappear you need to get ahead of this yeah exactly yeah so luther goes to the basement of the hall of justice oh man we haven't seen him in a while i know and he's like hey lois did you get the drive i sent you did you get that thing i sent you oh and she's like if you're here to kill superman you'll have to do it over my dead body he's like i'm not going to hurt superman today that's right i don't want it to be in a fight it's right it's no good if he's like this and i beat him by the way like also it was super lexa just been a member of the justice league like a couple months before like the first issue of doomsday but uh yeah i know he's lex luthor the lex luthor that you remember he's a villain right right right sam he's a villain yeah you looked over there but it came from over here so ronnie and stein start like yelling at each other stein's like we've been going home for what happened in moscow like we turned ourselves in this is wrong right ryan's like i want to kick some blue naked ass right so we're gonna fire somebody grab somebody they become firestorms let's go i'm driving yeah the lanterns create a bubble around mars so that manhattan can't leave okay should that work well they think it works they think it'll work because they're the lanterns uh batman tries to send a message to mars like how do i send a message tomorrow how long will it take commuter how long does it take to take uh send a message to mars about 14 minutes he's like damn it he sends the message and the heroes engage dr manhattan oh boy oh good he created a new glass palace we got a big fight on mars i guess the lanterns also create like air so people can no firestorm creates air oh oh because he can transmute like molecules molecules because yeah like stein's like i won't be hardest i'm not gonna help you and firestorm's like i don't need your help to make air i know what molecules it takes to make air do you are usually the percentage right it's mostly nitrogen i think 69 yeah like 71 or 79. he's done it enough times you remember the formula yeah okay so he makes air and then they're all walking around like this is neat i know how to make glass you see a lot of like fun stuff guy gardner is the first one there he's like hey dude hey blue man group you should put some pants on we're the green lantern corps we kicked ass look we made we we pants dark side we slapped the ante monitor around we beaten doomsday and all kinds of [ __ ] we're badasses we we even beat alternate reality batman john's link oh yeah yep that happened don't worry i got you i got you i got you back snyder scott's like oh [ __ ] help what is uh what does john think of the fact that john from the other universe is hanging out on his home turf oh man he he doesn't get upset he's more than trying to talk to him right and uh and uses television it doesn't work right uh he just wants to see like this is blasphemy you've created this structure here on my home planet garrus gaudi nothing what the original martians would have planned yeah no he has no problem with that he just says from your mind i can see you're confused and john goes only for a second in five seconds you will broadcast to everyone the thought you read most clearly my final vision of superman and like what are you talking about what do you mean you're fighting a legitimate student that sounds pretty ominous and guy said enough and he just jumps over and he punches john in the face and snaps his neck oh he falls down he goes oh [ __ ] i mean i didn't mean to kill him but yeah yeah he had it coming and then john like pops up yeah he's like that's it and he just goes let me see that and he takes the ring oh like off of guy's hand and he goes look at that this is energy emotion coalesced and manufactured into a power by the ring i find it difficult to affect and then uh john konsta goes well if you think that's gonna be hard they'll have a magic and then they all so they all just use their stuff on it yeah well first the first the just like dark attacks like etrigan like breathes hellfire on him and zetana shoots magic at him and he goes you think you're wielding magic it's some quantum thing one of my favorite sequences in the book he says like they the the magic swirls around me just like he just collects it he's like look at this what you think is magic is the remnants of creation itself like the energy that it took to make the to make reality um there's runoff like er like random errors in computer code that are discarded and forgotten and ironically collected by the discarded and forgotten of your of your little cast of characters and you believe it's magic and then he like wields it and morphs it and like it feels good to learn and then just blast them all away i'm just like oh like just like that john's is like this is what magic is in dc universe i just explain magic it's it's big bang runoff yeah it's like energy it's discarded energy that the universe doesn't have use for right i kind of don't like the fact that magic was explained right like magic should be magic i i know who wouldn't like it so ronnie is like you don't know what you're dealing with man i'm gonna [ __ ] up your day and doc manhattan's like you don't know what you're dealing with dude and he just blasts him with energy and then manhattan and ronnie appear at his origin at the nuclear plant where there are protests ironically of course which is a constant protest throughout this book they're protesting nuclear power and uh ronnie and john like walk through the corridors and he shows ronnie the door where martin stein is talking to his i think it's like his uh i think he's like taking he's taking dictation he's explaining that like he martin stein works in the us government and after the metamorpho incident with rex mason where like rex mason became metamorpho they are like we need to make our own superman basically the when superman arrived the us government was like we have no control over this guy we didn't make this guy with nothing we have no idea how he works we need to start working on this now martin stein agrees and he's a patriot and he's in so he develops the firestorm situation he also learns that he's not he doesn't have a medellin so he can't technically become one but he has done a survey survey of people genes of all his employees yes and he finds there's one boy named ronnie who needs a parental figure and i will act as that and groom him into becoming firestorm it's gonna take both of us so i will volunteer yeah and ronnie's like oh my [ __ ] god you just retcons the [ __ ] out of me [Music] holy [ __ ] so the professor this whole time this whole time has known he's been the like government half of firestorm he's he's like the progenitor of the superman theory i was just gonna say that yeah he's like the first he's the first yeah well he's or is he even the only one no he's not the only one no he's the one that's starting to kick it off they even retcon that kirk langstrom man bat is uh a scientist who was working for the government and he developed oh that's funny yeah sweet so it's there's two there's there's like there's like a lot we don't talk about man there's a chart that it shows you all the ones that could be are any of them relevant or matter are they pre-existing characters besides man band firestorm literally every single one that is implicated as a previously established character oh wow jones doesn't invent anyone except for like married at mime okay and i guess rorschach wow this is kind of like civil war yeah and then mime are just punching julie and rorschach already existed that's true all right take that away from him is firestorm the only one who didn't know he or half of him didn't know that he was part of this yeah the others kept him in the dark the whole time yeah but the other characters it was like green lane was like you [ __ ] idiot no no no no i mean amongst the government oh yeah no superheroes are they all they all know consciously part of it yes except for him hozar is part of it posar tarzar was invented to be a villain for firestorm yeah and to test firestorm's abilities oh my god and so they would create like random acts of villainy for posar to perpetrate so firestorm would fight him but sometimes poser go rogue and do things you know that would explain in the comics why poes are like kill people killed someone why the government was like not culpable for it right so but poe's are revealing it yeah that's because he knows yeah i'm a living example literally no and so i guess he decided like he wasn't going to do it anymore yeah in this book right yeah okay so firestorm begs john like why why did you show me this and he goes i'm proving a point that hope decays oh and so then everyone shoots at him right and they're they're they're they're attacking no effect and then captain adam shows up oh the oh character from which john was created yeah he just goes get clear forget superman captain adam is the last thing you're ever gonna see it just blasts jon jon explodes the picture the photograph is destroyed and wonder woman broke free of the mascara and goes to the u.n to try and like heal she's like okay everybody got that out of their system let's let's let's talk good now that no one's punching each other yes everyone's off world let's figure this out all right uh a diplomat yeah she's like i'm unaligned i pre-exist all of that i predate all this that's true yeah this is really interesting that all the superheroes are off planet except for the trinity yeah yeah yeah yeah but superman is he's he's out for the countdown he's still on earth that's true yeah just the trinity so uh john reconstitutes like he has before yep oh a trick we've never seen yeah well he's never seen it yeah that's true they're like yeah batman finds out the message never sent oh so even 14 minutes later nothing happened yep he waited 14 minutes like desperately and then it's like message failed and he's like [ __ ] god damn it so while wonder woman is trying to appeal to the u.n the roof opens and black adam and his cadre are like i heard all your friends are on vacation so i'm making my move uh it's like she's like you don't have anything to fear for many of you is that black adam's like no you do oh you do yeah but it's not what you thought what were you saying well you were like fighting amongst yourselves about people owning superheroes i was amassing an evil army of them to take over the world wonderful but i had a whole country yeah yeah yep uh so then we take a hard [ __ ] break to see a sequence from one of these nathaniel dusk movies yep it's the black freighter it's the black writer it's not as intrusive i find than the as the black freighter but uh yeah we see the the one of the end scenes from the adjournment the last movie nathaniel dusk carver of course is being blackmailed by his [ __ ] mother there's a letter from her in here about like you know i i just saw on the news that like you were born on a farm but i know that you never knew your father and like you grew up in philadelphia and that you i kicked you out of the house when you were kissing that boy next door and boy wouldn't your hollywood friends not want to know about that oh your frigging mom is blackmailing him oh my god that's that's part of the despair that john right notices because john has this kidship with carver coleman for no [ __ ] reason so i always have to latch onto something in the world and uh yeah well lori made sense this makes a little bit less sense it's proving that dr manhattan doesn't need to have sex with the person in order to feel something for humanity okay coleman's trying to do the sequence he's trying to do the scene uh we're seeing like the scene as it's played in the movie but then like he [ __ ] up his line and he's like got this he's blaming a headache but really he's like he's preoccupied yeah with the black male yeah yeah well with the blood yes with the blackmail and with something else uh but uh he's like we gotta get the scene down we gotta get this scene done now we have to get it done tonight they're like we can wait bring breaking to the moon's like no we can't no no it's gotta be now so uh you know the muse seemingly but no uh but he he finishes uh the scene uh he goes to like you know he does he has his day and then he goes to uh a bar at 10 o'clock to meet his black male or his mother right she starts in with her [ __ ] he goes no no i don't want to do this here then it's april 18th 1938 and for and he has drawn to superman's worlds for reasons he doesn't understand the first person he meets is carver coleman ah okay uh we get karma coleman's whole origin which i've explained earlier he gets a couple of bit jobs as like mail carriers and stuff on different lots he catches an executive having an affair with another male executive does he blackmail him into getting an acting job no no uh he uh he gets fired and oh and he is destitute and he ends up on the street uh he's fired because he saw that yeah well no it's funny because like he sees this the executive drops a cigarette and that cigarette causes the studio to catch fire and he's fired for that what so then he's is that a thing that happened in history that like a studio burned down probably you made me distracted and dropped my cigarette you're fine bizarre okay so he's on the street he's harassed by cops uh you know the cop hits him in the head with a billy club manhattan arrives manhattan arrives in their car and blows the car apart and knocks everybody over when manhattan arrives he sees this man who was beaten by police go to check the pulse of the policeman who beat him he's like what is this place there hope dies proof right there that hope does no no stop helping that man no well there has to be hope in order for it to die that's right he starts out and he's like what the heroes regroup and he goes no i need you incapacitated for reasons that will become clear and he stops all of them yeah by the way the the the studio that produces nathaniel dusk movies is verner brothers i don't know why they don't just go ahead and say warner brothers i guess because like the dc universe isn't the real world right whatever it's warner brothers it is yeah why make the reference though well so they're owned by a studio they might as well make it plus one of those is an old time-honored studio that has history that would exist in 1938 yeah so but why even mention it at all that's just to make a fun reference just to make a fun reference yeah it's tongue and cheeks the nathaniel dusk lettering on the poster is the exact same as it is in the comic book why because it's for you so if carver meets john carver asks john if he's an angel it gives john pause they go to a diner a random diner off the side uh john ben's light to allow the waitress and anyone in the diner to see what they want to see right so that he doesn't look like a giant blue naked man yes right oh i should never be certain well they wouldn't be able to have this conversation like oh my god they have this conversation the two of them across the the booth from each other yeah uh where in april 18 1939 john and carver are sitting at this diner and john is walking through a fog he can't see everything hmm and so he tries exercises and looking into the future and can't so he focuses on carver and he looks at carver and sees him throughout time and what he sees he imparts to carver because we see carver the homeless guy sitting across the room then we see carver a year later and he's like you're right i got the part and it's right alongside gary cooper can you believe it we got to 1952 he's wearing a tuxedo he won an oscar we cut to 54 and carver coleman's like what do you mean i won't be on this world a year from now [Music] then it's a year from now he's not there okay and john goes in eight months you were going to get it casted a role that will change your life and uh as they are talking there is an there there is a radio report about a man who lifted a car above his head in metropolis john hears about this and immediately abandons carver you're lame i'm out of here and leaves behind a photograph oh the photo of jenny and and yeah john stands at the homage from the cover of action comics uh the people are talking about how they left he left over a building in a single bound and then he's standing there and it's april 18 1938 and the car isn't there and the people are gone and the world has changed what what why are they no longer there he talks about how because he dropped the photo no no no the photo is actually a consequence of john and he doesn't know he's doing it oh that everywhere john goes and uses his powers he produces a photograph okay he's like he's like a taco that shit's ice cream that's right the hero's in this earth call in a multiverse and at this world at the center is superman okay so he's seen both versions he's seen where superman is he's scenes in the car two versions yeah because there's multiple versions he sees the car the world's introduced to superman on april 18th 1938. so i go to july 1940 where a man named alan scott's reaching for a green lantern he grabs the lantern he becomes green lantern this inspires other characters like jay garrick who becomes the flash and carter hall discovers that he has multiple like lives that he's a hawkman we see the justice society yeah and it's all spawned from people seeing superman for the first time on april 18th 1938. okay we see a sequence where the justice society is forming they're at their table they're waiting for superman to arrive because when the justice society first formed superman was on it ah we're getting a good nice history lesson and this is not the jsa why do you care johnny thunder asks his genie to find superman but he's interrupted and now the whole team is there it's still november 1940 now and green laner's never met superman and so the whole team is here and no one's met superman yet okay because when the js because what because the next time they reboot continuity right superman wasn't on the jsa right but the jsa still formed okay okay so now he goes to 1948 and he meets up with carver and uh so they're talking uh in 1948 he goes have you ever heard of superman carver and he goes no i've never heard of him gone he goes to kansas it's 1956 25 years earlier a rocket crashes but no that's not right now it's 1986 then there's a teenage boy named clark kent who goes into the basement his arrival changes again and again and each time he's seen all the different origins all the different origins seeing all the different crises yeah it's all there's all this different [ __ ] in this one world but it's all different and john just standing there watching it all like and he's like what the [ __ ] is this place i can't stand you people you're continuity i don't understand this universe that's what he said that's so funny that is great he watches clark kent say goodbye to his parents as they die they both die in 1956. then it's october 1986 and his parents are alive again and then his dad dies of a heart attack and he's sad about that here's one where he jumps into a tornado yeah what's going on that's a movie one but he goes how does one man affect so much now i'm a thousand years in the future and he's a boy and he's in a superman costume and he's meeting legion of superheroes why is this boy at the center of this universe right and then he explains like the anti-monitor and even like [ __ ] zero hours extant are responsible for shifts in superman's timeline and that dark directions constantly target hope that he embodies and so now i'm curious well what happens if i move the lantern six inches away from alan scott what happens if there is no jsa there's still superman now let's see what happens and he says i remove the lynchmen and jsa i change superman i watch as my take on this universe changes reality and we see the new 52 origin of superman so he's saying that new 52 was caused by john taking the lantern away from alan scott because there's no new 52 there was no jsa no so if there's no jsa and there's no old superheroes to like have this golden era yeah you get new 52. that's when [ __ ] gets dark that's when [ __ ] gets dark yes interesting and superman's parents die in a more tragic more dark way right whether it is lessons of from the legion or his parents he becomes more distant from humanity and i understand him better and relate to him more oh weird little that's a little jab of people who are like no i relate to superman more in the new 52 it's darker it's more it's more real oh yeah you know what that's like yeah it's like dodger manhattan yeah yeah you sound like a cold feeling robot cynical yeah it's five years ago and i feel the power of changing superman and it's intoxicating i have discovered that this is not a multiverse it's a metaverse and the metaverse inspires the multiverse and then one and then one year ago in real publishing time or writing of this because it's two years later because it's issue 11. yeah he's like the metaverse becomes aware of my hubris and i learn it's not passive wally west blasts out of the speed force and looks at dr manhattan goes i know what you did so dr manhattan has to get rid of wally west wait how does wally west know what he did because wally west is a agent casualty of the metiver so the metaverse is like you chan you interrupted me i'm gonna send one of my people who can [ __ ] with whatever it takes to get to you reality and [ __ ] to stop you oh it's like an organism fighting to survive interesting an innate hope within the metaverse fights to survive okay is superman that hope yes superman is the linchpin upon which the entire metaverse rests so superman is trying to fight against the new 52 and what he's become well the metaversion the metaphor the man is inherently hopeful and it's avatar as superman or superman is the metaverse and it influences what the metaverse like feels like what it's what it's driving forces all right but then he sees that when he recreates the metaverse for new 52 it turns against him and he is the last vision he has is of superman and superman hopeless and attacking him and either he destroys me or i destroy everything now he's talking about the new 52 version of the superman or now because he is still the new 52 superman he's a merging yeah does he explain that no okay no he's like well that happened but it's still the same so i i created this version of reality there is another one overlapping with it i didn't do that i didn't well no but it didn't happen yeah we never undid it like we never undid new 52 we never changed it right it's just that like when mix is bit like it's like hey and he merges both of them like that's not the same thing that's not a crisis that's not a reboot that's not even like a a new still happened new 52 did happen because no one will say it didn't and people curiously keep referencing it right everything else also happened but it it it it it also happened and while it would contradict it happened in the moment they did yes superman's even though superman's different because now his parents didn't die in that way they did oh they did well well but that was that's the other thing he went back through convergence but john's wants to leave as much convergence off the table as possible right but his parents are still dead okay so this version of superman that's in this book he's essentially new 52 superman but with the old costume and with with with and he's married to lois and has a son yes yes but all right uh so then june eight 1954 carver coleman's murdered his mother and her associate hit him in the back of the head with his award and then ransacked his house the housekeeper finds the letters his mother sent him and burned them to protect his legacy so his murder is never really solved oh interesting okay but he talks about how like okay so i stopped the war in vietnam but i let a pregnant woman get shot right but i use a man to help me understand what this metaverse is but then i watch his mother beat him to death right i i let adrian kill millions of people and let him leave i am a being of an action on a collision course with a man of action and in this universe of hope i have become the villain interesting like this is because he doesn't really think he's a super villain but like in this universe yes as far as this universe is concerned like i kind of am except he's not no it's more like he didn't they're attacking him right now because they think he did something that he didn't actually do exactly yeah yeah it's all fight it's always been right yep the kandakian forces attack wonder woman in the u.n batman breaks into like norad and stops nuclear launches from taking place oh wow no because the idea here is that now that all the heroes are gone and kondok exists and the russians are moving we need to show mr president that we still have power so what are they who are they attacking with the nukes i assume like the u.n or kandace russia conduct oh we'll just anyone any was a threat yeah well because the russians are also going to launch theirs too right so we're going to go first well if we do it first then it's our decision and then we're not reactive exactly you know we're just saying we could take out a few other silos probably you know we might come out on top exactly i like that the badge has a lex corp logo on it well it's lex's place oh well like well you know lex needed to give uh lex took lois to lexcorp yeah i got it because he's like explaining to lois how he's putting it all together he's like i met this guy he named ozzie mandy's he came from another world he [ __ ] it up he thought he was going doing the right thing but he's an idiot right um he's looking for this guy named dr manhattan oh so as lex is leading lois through his like through his company's building he's going further and further into like more and more science fictiony like locked doors clandestine secret stuff going on and he's like lois have you ever heard of a man named carver coleman and she's like you mean the actor from like the 50s yeah and he goes when his estate went up for sale one of the items in the estate was this photograph and the photograph is of osterman and jenny right and she's like who are they and what's special about it goes i don't know but here's what i do when i was tracking the abnormal chrono chronal energy spikes which were increasing in both power and frequency throughout the last like year or two it led me to the flashes but that wasn't what was happening they were a byproduct they were involved in it but they weren't they weren't the reason okay and that was that wasn't the anomaly i was tracking right and then in the grass next to them is another goddamn photograph of these two randos and she goes so this picture is related to the rebirth of the flashes it kinda i i kept finding coronal debris everywhere i would find these these these patches and one of those pieces of coronal three was that was that video i sent you of the jsa a team that never existed of all heroes that i've ever heard of and then they walk through this gallery and he's got like hundreds of these photographs all throughout time that he's been collecting from random places that's like some of the things he's been procuring as he's been acquiring all his companies ah so he's been putting this together for a long time yes i found them all over mostly america but i found one in the congo earlier which was where john took marionette and mime and adrian and they had their conversation oh okay yeah so the photo thing is that's his clue or that's a clue like oh this guy was here whatever whoever he is he was here because i found one of these photos here yes exactly okay and that like luther among the photos luther also finds like other bits of crotal debris as he calls it right and these things clue him in that like this is not the first time i've been lex luthor this isn't even like the 10th time i've been like right like that he reasons that the whole he luther cracks the metaverse theory and he learns that like he and superman are like at the linchpin he connects himself because there's always a lex luthor right he's like i like i'm inevitable i'm enduring i'm forever right and i'm i'm constantly locked in a battle with this [ __ ] guy that i never win right and then all of them i lose yup but uh but i love the the image of all these photos and yeah that's cool the us government sends special forces into the basement of the fortress of the hall of justice superman has woken up and he's getting his clothes on and he goes like listen if the president wants to talk to me because they're like the president needs you like you're under arrest do i order the president he's like the president wants to talk to me i'll come talk to the president myself right but unlike the other books where i am the last dog of the president uh i am not i am not no no no um meanwhile we find out that johnny thunder and saturn girl are of course prisoners of ozymandias in his lair right um saturn girl explains that like you know you'll never destroy superman if that's what you're trying to do like superman's forever and he goes no no i want him to make it my question is do you think he remembers you and she's like no he doesn't he's like why do you think that is it's confusing right and then she fades away oh whoa like that shh she's what she's wiley coyote so she really realizes she's not supposed to be in this time she disappears oh my god wait how did she get here in the first place that she was always here or like she was here from maybe she's a bit of that coronal debris that lex luthor's talking about like it's just left over like reality changed yeah she didn't realize that it changed right and what she does yeah so that's where she goes 52 there was no legion of superheroes no ah until scott snyder set them up in his justice league book that was taking place around the same time because editorial got sick of waiting for the legion superheroes to be debuted in doomsday clock oh so they completely undermine the reveal that the legion has been unmade by dr manhattan right but they pretend like those work in conjunction with each other right alfred decides that maybe at the behest of batman they need rorschach it's the worst thing about this book alfred makes more pancakes he tries to lure reggie back to the cave reggie like rejects him and runs away because he's like no rorschach destroyed my family i'm not gonna dress his rorschach anymore right you know batman's like no you gotta be rorschach and it's like [ __ ] you that's so dumb you can't create your own superhero there's other stuff happen right now batman yeah we don't need that to deal with yeah but we need batman like we need batman to do something in this so and and for that i need warcraft he stops the nuclear missiles from being launched that's all you need uh pretty important uh during ozymandia's monologuing he also reveals that uh he knew because of his conversations with john throughout john saw the future of the baby in marinette when he spared her life and that was why he didn't kill her because actually the baby would one day grow up to bring joy to someone he cared about that john cared about yes john doesn't care about anybody well he seemed to care about someone during watchmen and we see them as like two middle-aged people named mr and mrs hollis and they have a daughter as well ozzy mandy is just makes his own like discovery about the dc universe but it's basically just like this colorful crazy place that is made of both like simultaneous hope and despair and jon came here maybe to try and like be with these people because like he feels more of a kinship to them than humanity but like humanity on my place it's terrible might be better yeah well they got like neat costumes and stuff at least i won't look weird but basically that like oh sure it can't look weird in uh anywhere just can't have my dick flying out yeah that's right put on some [ __ ] pants and a story everywhere everyone's gotta put pants on yes i don't care if you don't care so uh ozzy mandy's reveals his nefarious scheme what is his nefarious scheme yeah this makes no sense the same one as watchmen yeah i was gonna say it sounds like he wanted to create a conflict on earth with the metahumans just like he did with the squid to unite the world against metahumans yeah but so isn't he one of them by being super smart is it he is care he's using them he's going to leave he wants to go home he's not going to stay in the dc universe so he's so what's the point so us well yeah so we know what his plan is for this planet he's not going to fix anything he has somehow his plan is going to affect his universe as well his plan is basically that like i'm going to force john to give a [ __ ] oh what by like by doing it all over again like the he caused the energy spike in moscow right so all the heroes would leave he knew jama beat them so now all the metahumans are on mars right right so the world's powers would descend into chaos and cause gonna force john to come back and save this world yes and when he does maybe he'll realize that he wants to save the when he came from i see and maybe he'll want to save this world because like he was instrumental in like creating it the way it's really kind of his fault anyway right black adam has made his move he attacks wonder woman he attacks the u.n now he's going for the white house so black adam and his team aided by the russians goes to the white house lawn oh wow superman arrives and stands between the white house and black adam and he's like i'm still catching up to speed but i know this ain't good so all right put up your dukes is this all part of ozzie mandy's plan he's this showdown on the white house lawn he thinks john's gonna show up and yes do something here yes but what he doesn't know is that john sees the end of everything when he comes into contact with superman right like everything so superman but it might just be the end of john yeah but that also [ __ ] up his plan because he needs john to go back to the watchman university he doesn't know that john sees his own end or the end of everything so he's just like yeah no it'll like john he'll come in and he'll stop what's gonna happen exactly yeah so then john counts down from six seconds which is when he's going to finally meet superman superman is of course like attacked he's alone fighting everybody marin at mime steal a car torture comedian and just like go on a tear they just have a great time okay weird uh reggie why are they a linchpin in this no well they explained it earlier but yeah they were important earlier and they were created so we got a show yeah look at them look at them go look at them having a granola time uh they're not doing anything they're not doing anything of consequence no affects the plot at all no so and of course reggie what about him yeah what about reggie you know uh alfred begged him to become rorschach and uh pancakes pancakes reggie come on he knocked him on the ground he couldn't eat him you love the taste of pancakes he so he leaves can you remember the taste of pancakes reggie can you remember the taste of most of mr mr it was 100 pure granola from vermont and uh he introduced himself to superman and superman's like who are you and he goes i'm the one you're going to destroy or i'm going to destroy everything and superman is like i don't have time for this yeah and then all the metahumans they all show up yep uh there's also there's a made up country of among might of countries called markovia this birthed geoforce and other super or metahumans um they are like kind of like the contextual basis for the superman theory at all because the markovians created geoforce there yeah okay yeah when john says that he's not being like he's not being threatening he's not being threatening but it sounds threatening but it's not jeff john's way of saying like superman has to kill sometimes no no no no john's would never say that okay good yeah that's what's what john thinks is going to happen because he's trying to figure out he can't see what happens which is important for the book yeah the book needs him not to know what's going to happen yeah because then it implies either he dies or he destroys everything that's the only only two possibilities he's a logical person so he would state those as the two possibilities these are the only reasons why i can't see the future even though i had a point in the past where i couldn't see the future when i'm talking let's let's not even talk about the fact that he can see the future of marionette's child and how it'll give joy to that kindly couple in the watchmen universe and how that has to be after this that has to be after this but let's not worry about that so uh well no unless it's already happened in his and here's the explanation time it's 1992 in the watchmen universe it's 2017 1819 and tuesday clock right when ozymandias lands he says it's like the future here but also kind of the past like time is different too right so now time travels slowly in the washington university so i can i can i can't wait because that's in the past even though it's in my future yes yeah it is technically the past because right now it's 2017 and that's like 292. and the only reason why you could see it in any way is because it is your future it's not like you see everyone's friends or you see it only because you're there yeah so posters like i want to arrest superman in black and i was like no no no kondok is a nation of many humans we will we will do it and so then everyone is just like it's just a disaster man's like there are innocent people here right you can't fight here yeah so they all fight all the canned acts are just like we don't care yeah no and uh like other countries are loading up their super characters to like to deal with the fight like the world's descending into chaos and it's about to be a big problem uh a racist store owner sees reggie looking in his window and attacks him because he assumes he's going to loot oh and then alfred steps in and saves reggie and offers in the rorschach mask and then batman shows up and he's like you gotta be roshack he basically says like i read the journal i know who osterman is i know what i i know it all i figured it out and uh and he goes well if you know who rorschach is then you know that i can't do that because rorschach destroyed my family and he goes batman teaches them a lesson that says make people see what you want to see okay and that thing you need to make them see his worship yeah make rorschach mean something else yeah take rorschach and own it that's right listen my ward jason todd he has something to say take guns in on it batman never because i'm also don't forget a hypocrite just just do that just keep doing that and just say it doesn't matter what does batman give a [ __ ] about about this [ __ ] guy he shouldn't so superman's being attacked and and it's a huge [ __ ] fight and it's going real bad but it's also look awesome looking look at all the people that are here uh a dinosaur yeah what i'm sorry i didn't mean to point that he's a doom patrol character you would hate it animal vegetable or mineral man what what that's what that is okay well that's very fair point i hate it all right you were saying uh who are these people fighting i thought they were fighting they're all fighting superman oh andy they were all trying to be the one to arrest superman yeah that's so stupid okay yeah this is the trouble that the villains have in fights yeah they all got there's two groups of villains they're not fighting unless he's being played by the rock duck manhattan's watching all this yeah he's just watching the fight yeah and he sees a car head towards a mother and their child and superman catches the car yeah in a beautiful homage by the way to the first time in 1938. uh superman stops it he goes whoever you are help these people he goes i don't help you but like i already know yeah but i don't yeah but i'm not going to and so i'm not going to yeah i imagine that really really upsets superman that's right what the hell are you talking about man yeah so uh lex finishes his monologue with lois lois like what do you want me to do he goes write it up you gotta tell the story we're being all our our history has been altered by forces beyond our control and she goes why why would you do that he goes to tell people that i figured it out to prove that i am the smartest man ever that's right and then he goes and grabs his vibrational emitter which is an ancient lex luthor weapon and then goes on his own little merry adventure okay manhattan gives his uh speech to superman you know he's like why why are you do why why won't you help right why how can you stand there and do nothing and he just says like i could have saved my world it's burning right now as we speak yeah like i any and then he flatly explains like i am the reason why everything's different i'm the reason your parents are dead i changed your life out of cold curiosity now what are you going to do about it and it's like yeah that is logic but it's also like you're you want to get him you i want to get to the point making this happen the superman's eyes glow red and he goes towards manhattan and manhattan just closes his eyes and waits for it ah sweet death here we go prove me right superman swings and he punches pozar behind manhattan huh the one manhattan saw was a trick and manhattan's like why did you defend me what i do man right now you have a choice to make the right choice let's go man and he goes you know you talk about how you only saw two options you saw either you are destroyed by me or you destroy everything but what if there's a third choice and manhattan's like what are you talking about oh i didn't see that and superman goes who is she and he's like what are you talking about he's like the photos you keep making oh god i'm making photos i'm so sorry it's a habit i assume they're important and he looks at it and he goes she was important and he goes maybe the darkness that you see that's at the end of everything maybe it takes everything that you are to save the world okay but why doesn't he see this conversation right he sees superman's fist coming out about nothing but they're having a whole conversation you see what you want to see they do say that many times in this book oh you [ __ ] i gotcha so superman is enveloped by all the villains everybody's attacking and jon goes i understand everything ends and then he throws up his hands the world is enveloped by blue and darkness oh wow and everything descends and superman's logo discorporates and then there is nothing geez superman's dad is talking to him in the car going to the prom where he says they've never seen anything like you clark they if they did they'd be afraid john moves the lantern back alan scott picks up the lantern and we change the conversation and john goes you know when i was a kid my dad told me stories about the justice society of america wartime heroes so they've never seen anyone like you before but i think the world's ready to see what you can do so then superman filled with hope leaves goes to the dance to steal lana away from uh pete ross yeah and the kents are almost in a car accident and the car speeds towards the tree but superboy stops it they say who is that and john says that's our son now that jsa exists so superboy exists because clark kent becomes superman earlier in his adolescence right and because superboy exists the legion of superheroes sees him and enlists him so the legion exists and now saturn girl can come back so saturn girl comes back saturn girls ring has been reformed and that the old man johnny thunder he actually says the magic words that summon his uh is his genie and then he goes away okay is it shazam it's not a cu wait why if everything's different why is he even in this cell with ozymandias well it's it's the ripple effect because like here's the thing no so the world wasn't destroyed it wasn't destroyed because like we get a we get this implication that like we got a big reboot we got another crisis right but basically john just undoes what he did which causes everything to go back to the way they were before new 52 but all the stories you read still happened but not in the new 52 anymore and so everything still leads up to this moment because doomsday clock is still a book you're reading so the superman theory that still happened so yeah stuff still happened okay so everything that happened just happened without the new 52 part of it right so now superman doesn't remember his parents die in a car accident over members but he still found himself in this spot still in that exact spot but he wasn't fighting dr manhattan anymore does this mean that dr manhattan didn't steal time from people yes it means that all of it went back yeah so huh so he undoes new 52 which was part of these characters history in this book you're reading yes but despite having undone massive parts of their histories they still find themselves in exactly the same situation correct all the other superheroes are on mars and these superheroes have their own country and they're attacking them that all happened doomsday clock still happened just in the not new 52 the rebirth universe this is the rebirth that dc universe rebirth was harboring three years ago so he just said like okay take everything about new 52 and get rid of it but superman is still inundated by black adam and everybody right all right and does he remember manhattan yes because of exploitation further after this okay uh superman is saved by a telepathic push and saturday girl goes you remember us now cal and he goes imra that's her first name and uh oh so she remembers being unmade yes well she's from the future and she's telepathic and stuff but uh but jay garrick goes sorry we're late son and superman goes well better late than never as superman the legion of superheroes and the jsa all form to fight back this this uh this this oncoming horde oh interesting so the characters who were on mars they're still on mars they're saw on mars but there were a bunch who weren't because they didn't exist right before the ones went to mars now of course they would have gone to mars with all the rest and they would have existed so they wouldn't be here now so why do they think they didn't go to mars oh because they only started existing right now and they got their histories filled in so if no one remembers dr manhattan how come all the superheroes on mars are still there oh yeah well because they must they must remember doctors they went there for some other reason because there's no reason for them not to remember doctor manhattan yeah and they defeat black adam oh yeah no they win well he says i see the man of tomorrow and for the first time i'm inspired yay they win the day we saw it remember where he talked about like there's like [ __ ] that happened up to crisis and people remember that post crisis yes yes that stuff pre-crisis is from a new earth that has always existed called earth 1985 where that version of superman and earth existed the earth that was like the timeline that existed where stories are written pre-crisis that ended in 1985 and more earths are created of course as the multiverse expands after the flashpoint earth 52 because of that dr manhattan's interference exists earth 52 is an earth with its own timeline that exists so now the new 52 is not what happened it's a reality in the multiverse yeah so then we get this big splash where dr manhattan kind of like narrates what's going to happen in the dc universe if jeff johns were in charge which of course he isn't and which of course will not those things are as follows he alludes to death metal reckless energies of the old gods attack warps the metaverse which does happen which does happen and is still happening at the timing of this recording another crisis happens with the time masters superman's revitalized is that tempest fuganat or is that so it could be he's talking about something that happens in 2025. huh so he's telling the story yeah okay he talks about what he wants to tell yeah in 2026 they restore the timeline what they create 5g he has to retcon 5g because they talk about 5g is worked on while they were still working on issues 11 and 12. so he'd like maybe editorial made him do it maybe he felt like like extending an olive branch but 5g is a thing and that's another world holy [ __ ] in 2026 superman goes on a quest to find bruce wayne's long-lost daughter and save his son so so all the things that they're writing down is like notes for what's going to happen yeah he's putting into this book as future realities that that yup already seen is saying it so i'm saying like i'm putting in my book now my book is canon and what's great is you know what even if it never happens oh well it's just another world what happened over there yeah even if you did america right now reading this book never get to see this [ __ ] nope it happens don't worry it's just another multiple like in 2030 when the secret crisis occurs and superman fights thor and the hulk and you're like oh [ __ ] oh my god this is written in 2017 you know like 2018 2019 13 years yeah so maybe in 13 years dc and marvel will get their heads out of their asses and put together the crisis maybe maybe maybe not probably not would it be cool if you did though then it would make it work with that book i wrote wouldn't that be fun come on guys i just set it up and now all your fanboys will remember that and listen like a lot of uh youtubers got a lot of money for making one video about this one caption box so congratulations hey i set up a timeline for you think of each year as a minute well and he explains like it's going to be 13 minutes instead of [ __ ] you yeah but like 2038 superman appears in public 22 years earlier the kents find him then in 2038 we find out that the kent had a kid and then find clark then in 2045 it's another he's like superman's going to have his origins rebooted the idea here is that rebirth the conceit of rebirth is that like everything ends yes you know what like well i'm reading these superman stories that's not my superman nope it's not your superman's over there on that earth yeah and you can you can imagine what great stories and maybe something realities they stopped writing about it but it still happened and it has its own future you can go back and you can read it and have fun and maybe some old folk you'll show up and tell a story in that world or something maybe but probably not more likely not but for most of them know shut up and read the story yeah maybe someone will tell some of those fun new 52 stories he likes so much you like them so much it's all over there maybe maybe not but maybe so is this what they were talking about when they were like with rebirth and what comes after we're just gonna let people do whatever this is that that's what this is this is like yeah someone could go back and write a story for any of those universes or a new universe whatever yep all that matters is the dc universe is entirely hinged on superman that when you change stickman's origin you change everything right you create a new universe you create a new universe and if you don't sow hope into your origin for superman you [ __ ] it up it gets all messed up everything we needed to clear superman's name was left on your ship he's like yeah i left it there for you to find give it to his wife he'll write an article about it bye and then he gets teleported as do marionette mime and they all arrive at the washington monument and dr manhattan's like i know what you did adrian did it again and he goes yep you're welcome yep did it worked everyone lives and uh and then ozzy mandias gets shot by the comedian and he goes maybe maybe not you you goddamn [ __ ] that's amazing and then lex luthor shows up and he blasts the comedian right and he says no you're an [ __ ] and he's like what are you doing and he goes i'm negating the vibrational frequency that brought you here and i'm sending you back to wherever you came from and he's like wait wait no i'll get back from what's okay so he teleports about three feet away from oblivion yeah and he smashes his face except he doesn't have any momentum because he spawns like three feet above the ground yeah but he definitely dies though so okay uh maybe it's not three feet maybe it's like yeah maybe it's like like like halfway down yeah like he disappeared halfway down pretty high but it's really just no yeah he's regardless of the momentum the point is that he puts him back where he was and where he was hadn't was hurtling toward the ground that's true yeah just because that's a good point because it's because i stole you and put you in front of the ocean i put you back where you came from you fell from that point in the area your velocity that you had when you left when you left yeah so uh ozzie mandy's like hooray i got to die a martyr and rorschach's like no you don't and he rips off his mask and he stops the bleeding and he's like you're gonna go home and you're gonna rot in prison for your crimes no and he says you're not rorschach and he goes no rorschach is me and no one will write stories about me because tom king has a rorschach book right now and it ain't about reggie so uh i assume it's a prequel nope okay rorschach is also a sequel to watchmen because [ __ ] it so doc manhattan's like hey marion at mine the audience really likes you you're going to stay in the dc universe and they're like no we want our son he goes no you can't have him no one's going to continue to write books about us but people are going to want to hear about you people people will want to use you is he not taking the back cause he's like now if you go back you'll find your son you're like [ __ ] him up and i don't want you to yes yeah okay yeah that's right i mean say that right yeah you're not allowed to yeah so he goes you have a daughter she's on the way and my plan is that one day you will see each other again but you need an anchor here uh so then he goes back before he leaves officially uh he goes back to carver coleman at the moment where he says one year from now you will not exist on this earth and he says hey i'm sorry i didn't explain myself listen i'm not going to be around one year from now i haven't been a very good friend of yours and carver's like what and he goes listen don't be afraid of what you feel and then he leaves and so carver finishes the movie the adjournment and in the dc universe he basically is blacklisted from hollywood for being gay and then he is they some other studio takes a chance at him later on in like the 60s he gets a great role that's not nathaniel dusk right and his career does very well he wins an academy award for that and uh and then he like he becomes a champion for gay rights right okay and so he he lives okay until he doesn't and dies well yeah he dies in 2005. and he coins the slogan don't be afraid of what you feel that's right yeah yeah which becomes a a mantra for like activists in the dc universe in the dc universe of course yes it's a much better mantra than you see what you want to see right yeah that's right uh so yeah uh basically the the is wrapped up by like superman and lois clark and lois are walking uh back to the planet the daily planet yeah and uh they bump into ma and paw who were going to be picked up at the station but they decided to to walk and meet them mon pa don't die ah oh and he uh he doesn't have a heart attack because uh i don't know someone i fix his heart i saw i know how it dies like no now and and what is the reason why superman this time sees that his heart is effed up but didn't before well what happened in superman's past in this reality who cares they just went to a doctor and maybe there's some doctor who had died because of something because this reality is identical to the previous one but also john didn't die yeah whatever they developed a treatment who cares no one's complaining come up with come up with a character who i'm complaining inspired by the justice society to become a doctor and safe exactly [ __ ] it yeah so uh because so john is like i affected superman's world and now he will affect mine he goes back to the watchman universe right does he become superman no does he like yeah because that would be great he changes how he looks and he just starts acting like superman and he fixes the freaking watchman universe no he talks about the baby that he that like marionette lost he's like i didn't see what happened to the baby because of white's tachyon [ __ ] that was happening at the same time okay but now i put put it back together and i realized the blind spot is me it's not what ozymandias was doing it was because i went back i took the baby and i raised it i took the baby took the baby okay john takes marionette mime's son and he's like i could never be the hero that the world needs because my dad was a [ __ ] and i don't have what superman had so we see like john wearing a suit and like walking on the surface of mars showing marionette mime's son like you know what stars are and stuff like the kid sees the story he says look a falling star she would make a wish and he just smiles i believe in wishes again he imagines a future in which he doesn't go in the chamber oh and does he decide to make that reality no well like or it always existed because he remembers it but like he has a daughter and then uh he has a son and you know like he's like it's a nice daydream oh i'm still pooping photographs oh no yeah what am i doing i'm a copy machine no he uh so as as he uh and as he gives the last of his power to his son he realizes that he has given this world a protector that the reason why the watchman universe was so [ __ ] up and miserable because superman didn't exist of course right so john dies he imbues all the power that makes in dr manhattan into marinette and mime's son whom he kind of raised to a certain age are you telling me john becomes john kent yeah well i mean in a way a more stoic cold emotionless way but then he drops this child off at this house which has like an owl club yeah yeah they named themselves the hollis's after hollis mason okay so this is this is laurie and dan and dan and they have a daughter it kind of okay yeah it doesn't look like them no i don't know why okay so they get a they got a knock on the door their daughter answers it sally is named after her mom okay when she opens the door the little boy says john calls me clark and he's got a little dr manhattan logo on his uh on his forehead there what the [ __ ] so so so night owl at silk specter 2 yes both are going to raise clark hollis yes who has powers in the watchman universe yes and he may someday superman character yeah which would make alan moore tear himself in half like rumple [ __ ] why does the world not destroy itself what is how does he fix that oh uh oh that's right uh john evaporates all the nuclear weapons in the world oh yeah no he was like great he's like i am a being of an action he learns from superman like no [ __ ] that so he goes back to the washington universe and he goes nope does he also like remove the nozzle how to make them it no when when all the nukes are gone that's what unites the world and the world gets a little better as a result that like people won't make nukes anymore yeah i'm sure one [ __ ] is gonna be like you know everyone had nukes and then didn't i'm gonna you need a refinement plant man you better get started it's gonna take you about 50 years and by that point clark will be there woof um so what happens to white he goes to jail he goes to jail okay so i guess i guess dr manhattan like brings him back with him and puts him somewhere where the authorities find him you know if batman's methods are any indication he just goes to the nearest prison it just dumps uh well it says headquarters that become his prison so they turn and you turn his whole headquarters into like a supermax yeah okay for one guy right and there's like a super smart girl who like visits a lot who gets boobastis or two bastards oh okay a super smart girl yes yeah is she is she connected to something setting it up hey you wanna you wanna do more sequels to watchman no no no no more sequels to watchmen please well we already got one it's called rorschach by tom king [ __ ] okay this was this was too much you think yes this is a lot yeah it was very dense this is the longest episode we've ever recorded yeah and it it and what's the worst of it is like change is nothing no it changes everything it fixes it and it realigns dc to be to be in cookie because the thing is you know it's like the new 52 and it's hopelessness or it's darkness it didn't happen because necessarily just because editorial was like you know what's cool murder death it's also because the audience that reads dc comics likes that [ __ ] you can't just make a book that is an editorial mandate in its like no no the dna of reality itself that you're playing in is intrinsically hopeful and when you're straight from that path you make gross [ __ ] that won't the universe will fix itself to undo that like no if you're what'll happen is sales will dip that's what will happen and then you'll have to go back and you'll have to make something like oh i don't know a sequel to dark knight's medal you if you want to do that you need to be in charge you can't step down well this just says this he gets to he gets to say like it all happened yup so it makes sense now like if you were wondering like what the [ __ ] was rebirth right how about this like mechanically though what happened well this is mechanically what happened that's right rebirth i took all the things and i put them all i put them all in their own little box and they all happen you can have them and anybody can write about them and if one of them is like dark and hopeless and weird like that's not what i'm saying like is supposed to happen but i guess it it can't but it's allowed to exactly and it's not it's not good this is better you know this is important to me according to me this is essentially saying everything happens yeah yeah that's right literally yeah everything happened and could be given a a tail yeah by the way that blood that was like covering everything it was actually superman's cape oh see your own cynicism made you think it was because i really hope yeah we'll be no sucks no it does tiny little logo giant freaking oh no it's no yeah i mean it's literally not his cape his cape would not look like that the pro okay the idea of using watchman characters to affect meta-textually the continuity within dc is at least an idea right that's like something that isn't nearly as exploitative as seeing batman and rorschach fight right right like for his first as used as these characters are for as much as we see like comedian being used as a higher gun he's not used nearly to the effect you might have expected right there's not a lot of comedian right you know comedian gets to be cool and do stuff even if the role he was created for isn't to be cool at all no but when you make watchmen have had an effect on dc and dc characters are like that was a neat costume i want to do that like that it inspires someone to become the comedian or in it inspires a new rorschach within the dc universe or or wally west gets dr manhattan powers like i think that's more dumb than just doing a story that is more or less self-contained because at the end of the day the timeline that john's rolls out yeah is immediately contradicted so it's already out of con it's already not a story that is incontinuity because that's built up the only thing they do keep is that superman's parents didn't actually die like they at least bend it didn't go like no i don't like that did they are they keeping that the justice society was a thing yes but in a tie-in from justice league that was leading up to death metal green lantern and flash meet the jsa in the past undermining their non-continuity existence and then sudden rebirth well well no it happened after crisis right or not like this occurred and reinstituted it so then they did that ex except that when they go back and meet them they don't recognize them or know them oh oh so it was before this it was during this it was in the middle of this it was like after issued like nine or ten they go back and they don't know them yeah they're like who are you who are these people why do they not know them in that story there is no explanation because they hadn't existed so there's an uh they're ignoring dudes but they feel like it's the past yeah they go to the past but they're like but they don't know who they are no so it's not their past no it's like it's the past that was like implied because of the beginning of the rebirth initiative but not the actual execution of rebirth which is the real literal it actually literally happened yes so it's like when they when that was written they didn't actually know what this was gonna no they didn't so they just like they thought it was gonna like oh i guess it was another universe or something or everyone had their memories wiped yeah yeah well because they're operating under that assumption anyway because people didn't remember certain things or people right right there it's just the way they didn't know that that's what john was doing yeah so this is saying that all the earths are there earth one becomes earth 1985. even though no one's going to call it that that's right what earth is the watchman earth it's not right it's not it's not part of this it didn't get its own name yeah it's watchman's not in the metaverse it's another place over there like marvel marvel's not in the metaverse yeah it's like marvel yeah even though if you ask grant morrison it's oh no yeah it's in the multiverse it's one of them it has to be i mean i didn't say which one it was though or someone wants you to believe that it was on the other side of the the source wall but we all know that that's not what's on the other side of the complicated villainous name perpetuous on the other side of the source wall but it's all on the other side of the source wall there's ten source walls and they're all different well if you go to the dark multiverse there's multiple source walls and multiple crises which doesn't make any [ __ ] sense and there could be all these earths that were created here they all have their own source wall too so maybe behind one of them is and one of them's marvel and one of them is the watchman universe dr manhattan and ozzy mandias and all these other people can come over here and and dr manhattan can affect yes the dc everything yes everything can they now go to the watchman world right no they don't have dr manhattan power that's right but someone could [ __ ] volunteer that's right wally does and batman in the dark multiverse after this remembers this gleans how osterman became dr manhattan and creates the machine that makes him and uses it on himself do you make doctor about that so then he could go or dr manhattan see like what the crap where no but what are the connections see the reason why that happened is because restraint doesn't exist no like you're supposed to not do that though yeah but i set up a whole world where like you could take any of these earths and and do anything that you want well now i'm going to do this other thing well that subverts that now i'm going to connect it directly to the watchman universe that you explicitly set up as separate yes that's right damn it oops yeah well i mean you opened the door man that's doing that yes i know i now arguably the door was opened by before watchmen well only published because it wasn't in the dc universe they didn't bridge them they just said i know but they started writing books about it yes and so it's like oh let's write all kinds of books hey let's write books where they cross over like it's you know it's a slippery slope they never did yeah but yeah yes yes yes but the guy who was in charge took it upon himself to write the only story in which that happens you know he could also declare no one may use those characters but he'll get replaced yes but it'll be and someone else will just do it well he was and it did so yes it was for 35 years well for 30 years they didn't touch it yes and then once they touched it they couldn't stop touching it oh look how good it feels i love it we have it we haven't we have an admission of that because dr manhattan talks about how he affects superman's timeline and it's intoxicating maybe maybe it's equally interesting to affect the watchmen it's superman superman is intoxicating well yeah that's true but like oh just imagine what i could do oh what if i brought the comedian christ i've seen where they're just going haywire on the bar yeah that's a good scene yeah oh so this is very interesting because like there's some fun stuff that happens that's the thing is it's really really good it's right here are some things that i will say that are good about doomsday clock the art is phenomenal yes yes no argument and like and no i've heard other people say like it's good no it's great yeah it's really good i like looking at every page check one i have not seen like one picture of someone where i was like there that's one poorly or like it makes me feel weird flawless execution two the superman theory i dig it that idea yeah that is a cool idea and excellent execution thereof now uh maybe i'll dial it back from excellent to great because i think the execution of the superman theory could have been an event yeah that's the thing it's almost like wasted it is but we get the culmination of all of it you know in a way to smaller packages we don't get any [ __ ] time we don't see it like done contradictory right it's just it is and that it isn't fine superman being the linchpin of the multiverse and the existence of the metaverse i love it i'm in yeah yeah is that he has been in all the stories that get written like it's all about all about him even though they don't care yeah because in the new 52 you could tell they couldn't give they couldn't care less about like how to properly execute superman and make him work fundamentally within this new universe they were more focused on batman yeah and they will be until they are split up by an anti-trust lawsuit my question is which joker is it wow you couldn't stop yourself right i honestly couldn't care less and i don't want to hear it i just what are you talking about it's the joker it's just the joker that's the one you wanted to see interact with marion and mime the one you wanted that's the one right so those are some oh uh marionette and mime are successes as well i think they're interesting characters they have a really interesting backstory they are cool and but they end up not mattering well they don't well well they don't matter that's it yeah but like they that in and of itself is important to the story but they're also just dope they're better executions of punch and julie and as a result i will enjoy their adventures more in the future now that being said they're going to have a kid so like right kid can be warped is it going to be a baby are they going to be aged up are they going to age down or she can be pregnant for like six years i don't know but at least the proof of concept in this is solid right i i see they so they do address the superman supervision kind of they say like it's it's just proven or it's like yeah like the world steps back from the brink basically shouted down right yeah caused by wonder woman for a new iteration of the dormant global guardians to be formed in the wake of india's agreed to designate a member of the doom to so they're giving you little snippets of like oh everyone's kind of like calming the [ __ ] down yes and then you also didn't mention oh yes freaking lex luthor it's like fight had the right idea but i could do it better yeah what yeah or setting up lex luthor will become like a machiavellian super genius villain that will try and unite the earth right using a common foe right no one's going to do that either or maybe jeff johns will do it someday that's true yeah that's true they go so far as to show that the justice society of america will investigate the meta-humans thing they're like we're going to step in and see check it out we were there first and we were created by the government so yeah so don't worry we'll we'll get to the bottom of it maybe there was something to that meta human thing but we're going to take it well we'll figure it out and quietly disappear it yeah so that no one has to hear about it again right so now where flash gets a bit of dr manhattan in him and becomes a dr manhattan flash or whatever yeah or whatever uh flash happens or the chaired uh i guess it was the it was the mobius mobius um was that that jeff johns didn't have anything to do with that you know not a thing he would never have done that right so that's never done that that's kind of funny because like yeah he took watchmen and made it his [ __ ] playground he did want and immediately everyone else everyone's taking his thing and being like oh i'll use that oh that'll be a magic [ __ ] thing i'll do a cool it's like well no no but this is really important yeah well yeah was real important could have a like to stand on nope nope yeah well that's why if watchwood wasn't sacred doomsday clock sure is [ __ ] sacred no i i i did not maintain it is i think it's interesting you know what i love about the end of this yeah where they reference 5g yeah if you were reading this book in 10 years you'd be like what the [ __ ] is this it's live they never they dropped it yeah they dropped it now here's the question when you reprint this are you going to change it to future state i bet you don't no they'll just leave it it'll be like 5g what's 5g yeah it would be a fantastical world that we'll never see that's the thing is that if they leave 5g in it cements its irrelevancy now jeff johns is not a prophet he's an [ __ ] well he did write lots of stuff that he couldn't possibly know about so he is just like oh and then in 2040 and in 2050 this happens he's like yeah i'm just spitting live exactly of course i don't know that these things are going to happen it's just a fun yeah you know what is and that's the same as 5g yeah like no but that's like a specific event that they you're calling 5g which is a weird thing to put in here he's also doing the exact same thing like so did he name all the other events in the like 30 years from now he did not well he named yes he did he named like certain events let's see well he named the secret crisis which is the secret process in 10 years uh time erupters is what it was time masters time erupters you know gentlemen everything ends including this episode finally i didn't believe it could but it did no let's just keep going yeah let's go another four hours ladies and gentlemen here we go everything ends and also uh see what you want you see what you want to see what you want to see yeah and never be ashamed of who you are or whatever the hell is you see what you want to see you do what you want to do the addams family and doomsday clog is a book you can pick it up

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Id: Wmv9Gek-lO0

Length: 183min 29sec (11009 seconds)

Published: Wed Dec 30 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/necroreefer]

3 fucking hours!!!!!

[u/TraptorKai]

When do we get the 4 hour Snyder cut of this episode?

[u/joe_fayant]

I’ve always wondered where did they get the iron man mark 2 helmet from?