Dr Andrew Huberman Reveals His True Thoughts On Vaping & Nicotine

How concerned do you think we should be about vaping we should be very concerned so when it comes to smoking or vaping there's the thing that's being consumed the the thing that people are trying to bring put in their bloodstream nicotine cannabis Etc and let's just set those aside I've done episodes on nicotine and cannabis and um they have their application they also have their problems vaping is terrible because of the other chemicals that delivers to the lungs it's also very clear and we haven't released this episode yet but I talked to a female hormone doc from Austin and Crawford so OBGYN you know vaping is associated with disruptions in egg health and what they call Egg quality can create certain mutations in eggs um and serious endocrine issues in women okay um personally I find it disgusting like I just find it like I don't do it but when I see people vaping like to me and listen I used to when growing up I I I quit smoking a long time ago but I used to smoke a bit of nicotine growing up remember I was I was a wild one but that's not why I did it I just I you know nicotine works for me as a drug and I don't do it anymore um but vaping is so addictive it's a mutagen it mutates the genes of cells it mutates the genes of rapidly dividing cells most so breast cancers ovarian cancers egg quality you know sperm are constantly turning over so you know people always say no well I Vape all the time and I got so and so pregnant or whatever you know when I have a perfectly healthy kid that kid might have been much healthier and also the kid's not grown up yet like introduce me to the kid later I wish for that kid I pray for them but um that they're healthy as can be but it is so clear that you're introducing a a laundry list of toxins to the lungs and they're getting into the bloodstream and there are a number of them that cross the blood brain barrier and once they cross the bloodb brain barrier those neurons by virtue of the fact that neurons don't turn over across the lifespan you bornn with the ones you're going to die with you might add a few across your lifespan but your most mostly born with the ones that you're going to die with well they're going to Harbor those chemicals and those particulates and you know yes our we have grandparents that smoked and lived to be 90 but you know those are generally the outliers so I I can't find one good reason why people should Vape if they if people want nicotine in their system that badly and here I'm not recommending that they would be much better off relying on a troch or a patch um or even toothpicks or or you know or injectable I know people I'm not going to in nicotine oh I'm not going to out anyone here but I I know um people in our podcast community that rely on nicotine injections foral Clarity that is so hardcore yeah I don't it it causes um elevation in blood pressure it causes um basoc constriction but it also will robustly increase focus and attention any what will tell you mainlining nicotine you're starting to see some companies that offer things like NAD infusions also offer subcutaneous or or um nicotine injections or patch or gum yeah smoking for a very long time everyone knows huge Campaign which I think was pretty effective actually it's kind of discouraging people from smoking or at least making them aware about the do do you remember how they got kids to stop smoking they told them for years it was bad for their health that didn't work they told them um that it was putting money in the pockets of these like uh of like these old cackling white guys that were like Rob their hands in the in up in the boardroom and making a ton of money and then it became the rebellious thing to quit smoking that was the effective campaign I I think about this all the time that there was a big push to uh both disincentivize and make more different smoke uh make more difficult smoking you got to go outside there's the smoking area I remember I worked in clubs for one year before the smoking ban came in yeah in the UK and then people had to go outside you know just friction friction friction all the way down and then vaping came in and vaping is way more enjoyable of an experience than smoking ever was you you can have a higher dose of nicotine that tastes you know enjoyable bubblegum flavor and raspberry unicorn dust and whatever whatever unor I know uh and it's not going to stink the house out you know you don't have any of the externalities of that so I wonder whether we have ended up in a net benefit or net cost for public health from switching from smoking to vaping yeah there's an analog here with you know Crum and opioids you know if you really want to we just got to put ourselves under attack by even bringing up the topic but I did it intentionally um you know there are things like smoking and opioid addiction which are it's unequivocal it's just terrible right it crushes lives destroys lives um yes there are those rare individuals who smoked their whole life lived into their 90s and okay but they are outliers um so the question is did is vaping allowing fewer people to smoke and therefore improving their health maybe if they're hellbent on getting that nicotine or cannabis into their system and they're CH opting not to smoke and they're going to vape instead then maybe we have to be objective and say okay if they are absolutely intent on on getting it in through some inhalation device vaping is probably better but we don't know that for sure we actually don't know that and then since I brought it up and I really put the Target on myself with this one you know I I did a post about katom which is over the counter um people will say it's not an opioid it Taps the opioid system it Taps other systems as well and a number of people have indeed um managed to get themselves off of opioids using katum as a bit of a bridge kind of like the methadone heroin thing um but the katum aicac groups are really growing strong right now because um there is the possibility that katum will be made illegal in the not too distant future and there is the reality that some people who were never opioid addicts have taken creatum and then get addicted to creatum and then people start arguing is it real addiction is it habit forming Etc so I think the next year or so is going to be an interesting time for dialogue about creatum I have a couple of guests coming on my podcast maybe um you'll do it as well and I'd love that if you would there's one thing by the way folks that's so great about the podcast space unlike other professions we love it when one topic or one guest shows up on multiple podcasts because it it actually doesn't hurt any of us and you've sent me in the last few months you sent me uh Paul kti uh you've sent me Rick Rubin it's and everyone's got a different Flex right the conversation you're going to have with Rick or Paul is going to be way different to the one that I'm going to have which is going to be way different to the one that Joe's goingon to have yeah it's it's a it's a very different thing than academic science than journalism of other kinds the idea it's it's a no scoop they you know like in Academia or in or journalism they say oh you know who got the scoop you know that or you got scooped someone else put it out first and you know in in um in podcasting it's it's quite the opposite so I think the katom versus I me the katum topics can be really interesting and important to cover but I think look my vote is to not Vape I think um I'm just shocked at how many people vape and first of all it it's actually be not unlike cigarette smoking it's expensive that's not the main reason people avoid it but it's a significant expense when you add it up across the year it's clearly addictive there's no question about it it's it's clearly detrimental to lung function and then people like how it makes their brain feel and they think that if they're already pretty active Physically Active then they can offset some of that and they probably can but um I think in the next five years or so we're just going to see a slew of studies showing that vaping is just bad for us especially for the developing brain because it's bringing in at a very rapid rate high potency nicotine and high potency cannabis and you know from an ly's work and we know my colleague at Stanford that that the the slope of that increase in dopamine and epinephrine adrenaline and acetylcholine is so important the sharper that slope the faster the rise the more addictive potential these compounds have and so it's so far and away different than the kind of dopamine or epinephrine or acetylcholine increase that one sees with exercise or with cold plunges or with um with sex or with these other things dancing and things you know so and you know one of course could be addicted to any of the other things I just mentioned too but the the potential for it is is far less than something like here's my stance on it that I I understand maybe of the two evils vaping is less of an evil than traditional smoking would be but I think the enjoyability the accessibility the fact that it isn't as stigmatized all of that I think that it wouldn't surprise me if more people are now going to vape than ever previously smoked and even if the difference between the two is is that vaping is better that the total area under the curve of Public Health degradation I think that think that we've netted a loss overall for vaping and um you know I see dude I I I go to a comedy show and I find myself going and getting an Esco bar before and I'm like what like why is it it's just habit what is it it's like a like just a disposable Vape you do vape I do it if I go to a comedy show and I'm not drinking and I'm tired so there's like a certain little decision tree that I go through I'll do it maybe once a month something like what do you vape whatever whatever disposable unpronouncable horse is available what my friend nitin or cannabis nitin nicotine um we're in California so people talk about cannabis pretty here um interesting yeah I think rapid onset of these neuromodulators in the brain concerns me um it's just it's just so different also with with behaviors you can titrate right you know people say well video games cause a hugee increase in doping okay fine but you can limit the total amount of time that you engage you um I think with with substances even though you can control dose or number of of what do they call it on the it's not going to be like a to on the vape pen what is it it's going to be like a like a draw I don't know I don't know the language vaping laring cosplay I've got that you know I'm teaching you everything today everything I need to know this is good because I'm going to be able to navigate the internet better we'll get back to talking to Andrew in one minute but first I need to tell you about mudwater mudwater is a coffee alternative that tastes like chai and cacao had a baby it's 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Length: 11min 28sec (688 seconds)

Published: Wed Nov 01 2023