Doug Dubach

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D the doctors in the house this guy's a former Supercross winner factory Yamaha rider and human Dino is what he's notice that should be fun to get with out here and go through his career with us as always grant langston our co-host how are you buddy good good good and Donny bills how we doing buddy good man hanging in there hang it in there I want to thank our sponsors in it's apropos that Yamaha title sponsors our show because we've got their boy in here dr. 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built this thing off hours in his own garage you know he he was so passionate about what he thought it could bring to the table that's what he did and he you know burning the midnight oil and all that sort of stuff brought this thing to the managers and said hey I think this can work and so you know everyone blames me it wasn't me that wasn't me up you know at 3:00 in the morning designing the latest greatest four-stroke engine but so you know as it came along then we all started to see the benefits you know I mean I was like everybody else I heard this projects coming you know our way to fer us testing and I'm like oh I pictured spud Walters on an XR 400 oh really you know just looks painful yeah heavy slow just everything the sound when you weren't used to it I feel like the sound is so annoying in the beginning exactly and then not even just the beginning like everybody it's gotta be loud that's the only way it's gonna go then I know it's it's not what it has to be but so yeah we just kind of you know accepted the product when it came and you know and it wasn't great from day one but you know each time it came back it got notably better and I can remember that one day at Carlsbad is to spy mm because I think we first started riding that thing maybe early 96 and I want to say and then by by the end of 96 maybe the third time we saw it all sudden I went wow this is gonna be good this is really I mean if it's still this early and it's this good this is going to be a good track for it as well I think they positioned that distant yeah the test riders a bit because yeah it was bring out a 250 two-stroke with a supercross setup compared for me at Carlsbad it they were good at you know positioning the pick in the right place to test that bike but yeah just it had all the things that we've all experienced now today you know all the the front wheel traction just the stability and you know cutting the bumps in half and hit all the things that it had over the two-stroke I mean they became pretty obvious pretty early yeah what any kind of what you said I feel like there's two things about motocross racers we won we we love the freedom of riding and individuality of it and actually just doing it as fun but we also I think most of us have like a mechanical side where we like to tinker even if you're not really good at pulling it apart you like to you know put stickers on yeah you can yeah you can right so you're right we like the next it gives you every level of tinkering you can just from putting stickers on and cleaning all the way down to tearing down so you you have every manner of ingredients so so when there's this new next thing that's supposed to be it's like everyone ooh yeah I gotta have it you know I don't know if it's good or bad or if this is a huge mistake for the sport but I'm in the latest greatest it's technology what everyone gets curious by the thought of something different and new you know that idea that could be game-changing you don't be left behind the minibike father's is the key thing you know that guy buys to kid 12 bikes cuz you know he thinks if it's that's gonna make my kid the next a poet or whatever either yeah it's everyone's eager okay let's say we had a time machine and we could wind it back and either you know the the AMA rule was up to 450 CCS or whatever it was it was 550 at the time at the time that was 550 okay so if knowing what we know now if you can light it back and say no no listen guys this is what the numbers need to be what would be a fair you know four strokes cubic centimeter number to keep two strokes where it was competitive yeah I think or never mind the two-stroke even if it was just like okay what would be two good sizes to go racing on yeah I think hey I think the 250 was good obviously they'd put the 125 out of business so just in that way and especially to keep the two classes separate because I think about a 400 it'd be plenty enough but I think yeah maybe a 200 and 400 just this is totally spitballing you know I have no facts to back this up but because I think you've seen what technology and you know a lot of hard work and a lot of money spent has done with the 250 out in the beginning it was slightly better than the 125 but nowadays I mean you couldn't throw enough money at a 125 to make it competitive against the Star racing Yamaha 250 out so I think yeah maybe 200 back then you know it needed to be 270 almost but you know nowadays that just through the evolution of the engine development they've they've pulled a lot a lot of horsepower out of that stuff and I think 450 arguably is still too much it's way too much but what guys do you know it's almost like the old 500 two-stroke days you know I can remember you know I was just had a little bit of taste of that because that was we were sort of forced to ride those bikes yeah when the 500 class went away then you're a 250 guy but he had to ride six rounds on this bike that you'd never ridden before you know I can remember my first national I went to I'm like holy cow I've written this bike like four times and it's got like let me cave the pipe in yeah so again yeah I think there is I think they could pull them back I just you're right of the two fifties I think a good a good bike but there's nothing those guys can't do only 200 and a 400 or even a 175 and a 350 yeah I'm talking four strokes yeah supercross track they run the same lap times sometimes quicker because they can corner about doing the speed on a 450 is that it's so much heavier and someone yeah it's really hard to make that bikes turn and managing it because you look it's a lot of the outdoor series the 250 class was faster yeah a little bit of that is when the guys are on the track hammer the track yeah there's a lot of things but you look at some of those times second moto when that 450 is a lot to handle those 250 guys get faster again only when the tracks just perfect does that 450 out of any chance of having that faster lap time isn't there some rule where I've seen 250f guys riding in the 450 class you can't yeah and I've seen a couple guys do it to get ready for the East Coast or something like that they do allow you to ride that and I don't know how it's written I don't know what the actual rule says but those guys still ride the West in preparation for the East but they want to be testing developing their 250 machines they know does it really matter what the rule says let's not go just yet here's what I think though like you know we talk about the four-stroke evolution and we could kind of joking how you said you got some criticism about steering the four-stroke evolution ruin this board it was coming either way exactly I mean if you go look at the history there were four strokes around you know the early day especially in the British bikes and the reason they went to two strokes was people would just realize well we can get more performance or more speed out of this you know lighter less moving parts so and then that was when four-stroke technology was in its early early stages so the bikes like you said they were heavy they weren't actually that fast they they didn't show their benefits yet then I think what happened as you saw as technology move forward they revisited going wait a minute now we can make this thing potentially better than a two-stroke so I think sometimes people read too much into it about how people try to change the sport I think people were looking at ways to make a better product for a consumer and and it's always hard to predict what that's going to do to a sport moving forward hey I like that in the 80s 90s there were four stroke nationals and now there's two just like Grant says you're looking you sit the product planning meaning they're going okay what is the next thing well how are we going to show it different as well yeah everyone wants to be a little different I don't know how much influence but you can't ignore that the EPA is starting to really come down oh you can't put oil in your chili you're killing whatever you're killing but yeah that big drive it to was the emission side of it exactly and that may have been and again I don't know the whole history but that could have been a driving force like hey I'm going to be a hero because I'm going to develop a at least competitive bike and we're gonna meet or exceed all these other EPA you know laws that are coming down the pike so yeah so this so my next question then what are we gonna be racing in 10 years 20 years from now hopefully we're all still on dirt bikes but yeah I mean obviously the electric market is you know kind of itching in there but it's just not there yet you know that you can't ride one of those electric bikes that hard and how rad is yeah who knows I mean you know I play with remote-control car stuff so I can remember back when that early battery technology and you know motor demand on the unit it's all these things have gone through the roof they've changed so much over the last 10 20 years so I now you can get a wicked little car for 150 bucks way better than the one you spent 800 bucks on yeah today's was 2000 so yeah it's but that just like you say it's what are we gonna build next you know what will the consumer bear almost you it's like cost versus the experience what's that in here you know so all those things is what everyone's trying to do you see the next guy do you sit in on those Yamaha meetings are you privy to that at all or is it more like I used to once they make the decisions and it's like alright hey Doug we need your help that was my original role was hey Doug we need your help you know here beside a B or C but then the more involved I got in the total program then I was involved in more of the product planning things and a little earlier in the stage you know we always used to joke well you know they give it to us and it's already got so many flaws built into it before we ever saw it but you know so by our pressure we were getting involved earlier and earlier in the process and then some of us were key to some of the clay model as well as just direction of what it's going to be so that stuff was exciting I don't do as much with Yamaha these days big switch some years back with employee versus contract employee all this kind of stuff but so my roles change there I still do some work with them and it's just yeah it's a little bit different nowadays in this environment but you think the electric market is where we're headed yes obviously because you know we all thought oh you know the Chevy Volt was kind of a joke and you know is this government-funded no you could conspiracy wise with that but you can see there at least electric vehicles are here to stay but again that's a very different in need than what a motocross bike and especially at a high level because I think you know those alters had a big push there for a while spent a lot of money and I think in the right environment that would have been a very successful product but unfortunately in the moto world guys even not at the top level but you know easily you could push past what that thing could oh yeah handle so you know that I think was a big stepping stone but I'm sure they'll get over it you know it's all money money and technology I got a test one of the alters at Pala Raceway there one day and the guys were like yeah man we're probably gonna have an outdoor team and I did a couple laps and came in I think this thing will never qualify they were not impressed with me like weird yet you know quite a bit off and they they were a little surprised I said look I'm not the lightest guy out there and I said the tracks a little heavy but it was still quite a ways off yeah they realize that pretty quickly to that having something fun in your backyard you know like on a mountain bike trail they're amazing but when you go out in the thick deep moto out of corner big jump they just they didn't have what you could and you can dial it up to make it as fast as you want it stopped you're melting steaming you got a yeah all right so what about let me just pick your brain about two-stroke there's a lot of chatter in f1 and MotoGP about developing new two-stroke motors Suzuki's had a boat engine forever that was fuel-injected two-stroke and I think Evinrude actually bought it from them it's really good technology less fewer emissions than four strokes so something we'll ever get to or do you just think yeah that's your kind of sailed no I don't think it has it all because you know I remember somebody who told me just some years back hey you know there's a new you know techno coming down the pike it's going to be half the moving parts twice the horsepower per displacement you know down and out and out yeah it's a two-stroke engine okay but I think it's just like the whole four-stroke thing and grant touched on a little bit a little while ago where the four-stroke engine had this and then the two-stroke is in surpassed it well everyone's just sort of written off the two-stroke is dead technology well it just hasn't been revisited with any kind of you know dollars in engineering in a long time and a lots changed go look at out at our industries a lot has really advanced whether it's paint technology science all that a lot happened the last 20 years exactly and so what I know there's a lot of people playing with fuel-injected two-stroke stuff TM Italian company you know they've actually got a very good one right now I've kind of got some inroads with some guys in Italy and in Germany that are very involved in those projects and you know they're telling me oh yeah we're able to put almost half the amount of engine oil into the gas because of the way it distributes it in to the engine you don't you're not having to drown in an oil to protect it right you're getting that lubrication through so I know there's certainly a lot there and these guys are just touching the surface they're a small company they don't have the dollar setup Yamaha or Cowie or Honda has so you know it's I I don't know anything and don't you know come and start blowing me up on social media in a year or two if something doesn't that make a big change but because I'm a little bit removed from the Yamaha and what's coming down the pipe but I would say that there is going to be some resurgence that's that or at least I'm hoping because I think that we owe that to the people let's revisit this because you know just because it ran into kind of a limit BPA or because you know delivery and all that kind of stuff of you know tractable power and just everything I think they can do a lot because there's so much more with you know electronic power valving and things like that that can make give it more of that four-stroke feel yep that I mean this if we were just getting into some fairly complex power valve type of things and I mean those two strokes were very very good it's just a four stroke lead to have yeah so yeah I don't know I mean I I wish I did but yeah well and I'd have to lie to you if I did but I don't to your point you said you know MotoGP f1 when you go and look over the years f1 technology slowly trickles down and ends up in our day-to-day cars same with MotoGP on motorcycle technology but with moving forward if you're talking about you know they've designed bearings that have like no resistance or friction that just talk and coasts forever and they've got metals that create less heat less friction so you need you run on less oil you know let's so let's technology's changing everything to a point where and if you look at up our bikes since we've all written they were pretty simple now you almost need a laptop to to to be able to turn about you know before you needed a grinding tool or something I mean it's pretty remarkable but it just shows that the a lot of our performance and and and I think even like you know from it from a dealer standpoint guy brings the bike in not running very well what's the first thing we do is we plug in our Yamaha tool or whatever the bike may be and it often it's like a car almost gives us a feedback and it's like God makes this almost idiot proof then that needs to be torn down that hey mister custom that's what we need so if you can do that and bring it to a simple cheaper technology again like two strokes I think you could have a winning formula I just Mike my concern about electric is it's gonna be really boring to watch I mean a picture any big race you'll never get a crowd ago the tires going by I would say agree with you a hundred percent because you know you don't go to a drag race to watch a car scoot down yeah to move it's not the motion it's the whole thundering headsets on you can still feel them movement the shaker that those things are putting out so yeah I I totally agree with that that that would some didn't need to put a soundtrack in there I said you could put any any sound you wanted on it like we talked about you have dolphins chirping on your bike when you go by or whatever you want of course she came up with dolphins cheery two-stroke 250 that's the sound track I was saying you know I've done Pike peak Pikes Peak several times in my semi but buddies have the record of Pikes Peak on an electric bike but they have to have sirens on the bikes going up the hill so they don't so fans don't step out on the course get run over oh wow yeah that's different yeah good stuff we're gonna get more into some of the the four-stroke stuff here as we get into your questions that's our bet the race wheels front end chatter go over to whiskey-throttled merch calm we got some new stuff we got this new sweater we got a bunch of new t-shirts in all different colors no matter what brand you ride you got something there for you that's takes it to make you a t-shirt printers also there's the mad skillz motocross world championships are coming up mmm soon this spring sometime and you can play Jam starting 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Dee's life the life and times how far back we're going and what year were you born 1963 so what did it look like back then I always I wish I could see serially I lived in Anaheim I think the hospital was just located in Gardner but their neighboring cities but yeah my recollection from when I can actually remember yeah just such a simple life and summertime it was just a pack of kids you know three to 20 either on bicycles skateboards unicycles stilts anything you could build or gather from and we were all yeah your parents wouldn't see you yeah from almost sunup the whole pack would rush some buddies for lunch at some point and then he'd be gone again until dark and you know it's obviously very different today so you know it's it's it's unfortunate that it's a funny thing is and in kind of this whole current situation it seems like we see more people out on the trail and you know riding more and you know good family together time more so that's kind of a interesting phenomena but yeah like I guess the 60s early 70s it was yeah we lived our lives on our BMX bikes and me over the shovel in hand and probably a lot more riding area as well than there is now huh well yeah all those Anaheim Hills had to be just empty and well I sound like my father when I roll by and tell my kids we used to ride right here you know and it's somebody's house you know escape country that old racing world you know that was actually my very first race was 19 May 15 1978 yeah obviously late by today's standards you know I was 14 years old well you're skipping ahead don't skip ahead so much Oh tell me about your first bike because this story is great to the grocery store well Jim Coe which is like modern-day Costco because they sold everything from lawnmowers two eggs gym membership it was that determination but yeah oh and Jim Coe were this thing were they both the same thing so we went in there and I remember every one my mom and all five of those kids were there and my dad bought us a three horsepower it was cat was the brand minibike who was orange like caterpillar like caterpillar not that company but that was the name of it was cat minibike at three horsepower like a Briggs & Stratton a rear brake was a piece of steel on the back dog but operated by a pedaling well you didn't hold it your hand and wedge it so yeah pretty much every high tech still pull start and that was the only brake no front brake but we would just ride it up down our street you know because you could nobody cared now that was of course we had lots of we're friends because we had the only minibike on the street at the time but then we slowly excited an older brother that it's somehow warranted we got the five horsepower oh yes there is gold frame and it had really modern suspension it was the same steel fork but they had slid a spring on the outside before they welded the permanent top triple clamp so it had a spring-like but it didn't move it was it's not at all the same steel fork that was on the three horsepower but it's leather spring over aesthetics so it handled much better than but those were the early days I mean we would just goof around you know my uncle lived in Hesperia which seemed like a three day drive which I know now about an hour in ten minutes but yeah we'd pack up and go up there and we would just ride in the empty field next to his house in this boonie around until you know either run out of gas or somebody got hurt you guys wore that thing up pretty good I imagine yeah yeah we you know we didn't get to go up there because is that the cat right there that looks very much like it but we didn't have that sexy seat ours was more of the one bottom left there just a flower on it so that looked more like because there was taco I remember that was what the rich kids had we when they're back now some of that but they're still expensive I was like I'm gonna get one I'm like oh no I'm not so yeah that's pretty much what ours we need to have shocks on the seat though that must have been some evolution of the cat yeah yeah only says mentioned if you sit on the back of the seat yeah but so my dad was handicapped he was paraplegic in a wheelchair for early early accidents funny not not funny ha-ha but kind of random how things just fair article but I the he got hurt at Disneyland he was a machinist so he would build and maintain a lot of the rides while he was up on the Matterhorn where you go up kind of side by side and you turn off yeah so he was up on the track before they had catwalks this was in gosh what year was this it was 58 I think he got hurt 58 or 59 but so they the only one operator no men on the track you know don't send any cars and then change the operators eight o'clock at night now this new operator sent a car well it sounds all the same because just change their ticket yeah well here comes a car hits my daddy falls over a hundred feet hitting various structures all the way down and somehow lived oh my gosh know that yeah so so my condo not just early but my total riding career was almost sole you know I was just on my own my brother and another friend of my brothers Kenny Linderman and they're the ones that kind of allowed me to start racing you know because I was just a punk kid riding his BMX bike all day every day and so how much older was your brother like could he drive nah not early on well you know yeah he could drive because I really started riding or my first race I was 14 so he would have been 17 okay yeah 17 18 but yeah so our first adventure to the race was a Chevelle wagon with a three rail trailer yeah and on that very first day which was quite funny my brother was always you know in a hurry never quite kind of locking everything down but we show up at the track and his Elsinore 125 had fallen off we drug it but so the one side handlebar was about two inches shorter yeah one side foot peg and shifter were he raised it barely there though he raised it just like that hold on this little nozzle evolved it so that was our first adventure my dad only went to the races twice he went early on to escape country and watched me and then he went to one Supercross well in that was he obviously 10 years I just because it wasn't tough for him to get and by that time his health was declining and so yeah he yeah he would we bring him cycle news and all that sort of stuff but he was somewhat bedridden yeah right when my career was you know kind of in the meat thing when you look back you know if you got hurt at that point in time you know if you look at the 60s and 70s and that a lot of things weren't very accommodating to people then you know wheelchairs and things like that it's you know it's only sort of been the last 20-30 years I think that it's like oh hey we got to accommodate to the people yeah but so one of the things that I'll you guys must be millionaires your dad got you know handicapped by a major you know Disney and I think he got some settlement of you know a thousand oh no it's like nothing different time totally different time at that time it's like it's your fault you should have been up there so kind of to the point of you know the mini bikes and all that you know he wasn't real active to take us so we got to go like twice a year we'd go up there but so the rest of the time we were just booting up and down our neighborhood street was he did he help him work on bikes and suffer yeah that was because he was an old drag racer okay and so I was always around some little kid you know I was always around engines and just fabricating because what he had done after his accident he went back to work and he worked for Knott's Berry Farm and Sid and Marty Krofft if anyone knows that name they did HR Pufnstuf which was like HR puppet stuff yes like six wheeled vehicles that they drove around and you know they're all in Austin yeah my dad built half of that stuff is that right he was so he was very instrumental and that's why I think I kind of developed this sort of testing background knowledge thing because I just understand you know working mechanical things very well for showing up and all that the show had a talking flute yeah crazy HR Pufnstuf hippie full circle that's probably cool again this store down the road called that right now exactly but so it just limited the amount that we went and rode and to hell that until my brother was he was kind of instrumental in taking me to my first race because of course you know I was scared to death you're gonna be really good to race so what was your first you bought your first real bike was a XR 75 was my first real bike a gray one the one with the Elsinore shaped tank is it was a 73 had the bubble tank in the 74 had the sleek tank but still it was kind of a dark almost a gunmetal metallic gray and then of course I had the little flower on taped on my wall of the red one the identical bike they just painted it red never got it but that's okay so so in your first race tell us about that because if I understand that right that didn't go great and it's like either whoa yeah because so here my brother this they would go racing him and my brothers Kurt and then his buddy Kenny Linderman they would go and race with local races and stuff and say so you should come and race well they were right for premiere Yamaha that's where they purchased their bikes and got the Jersey but on Beach Boulevard down there in Huntington Beach and so somehow this all happened kind of without my knowledge hey we're gonna go racing and we got you a bike and I'm like yeah well I had ridden so I'll give you a Yamaha history here so in 77 the Yamaha YZF era of Technology well 78 it was like a whole brand-new thing monoshock much better engine suspension everything so I had my X no 75 but I've been riding my buddy 78 and I'm like oh this thing is magic well they had borrowed some way over tune you know tuned to a standstill it comes to mind of the 77 okay some old race bike that someone turned into premier Yamaha so we show up and I ride the thing and my buddy came along with the 78 and we're like I told my brother after right in practicing this thing's horrible jetting was bad you know the forks ba I said this thing's just almost unrideable so I talked my buddy Colin Gibbons into letting me race his bike so we I'd go out and I ride the first moto and I'm like well I'm not a beginner so I'll write a novice that's four classes back then beginner novice intermediate and expert so I races bike and even in the novice class I won by like a half a lap and they're gone oh okay well it was a three motor system my only time and because 78 right about when these things started changing so second moto same thing get out there and I went by a longshot so then the third moto and here's a little more Yamaha what was it the was it a wrench report stuff remember when y'all maja I used to do that shiny wood cut five millimeters out of your pipe and they would do a whole little thing and they were doing development well I didn't know that the 78 yz8 II had a poor frame design it was the box type with the swingarm went on the outside well apparently they sold a seven piece gusset kit well so about halfway through that third moto chain comes off goes through the case I mean literally destroys my friend's bike because that thing would start doing this and so I went 1-1 DNF in my first race which ended up being kind of the story of my career as we get a little further down the road but I felt so bad destroyed my friend's bike but went to primary Omaha got the little gusset kit and my buddy Kenny Linder man who kind of he worked at a muffler shop so they had a lot of welding there and so got the thing up and going and you guys fixed it up fix it up okay I don't know what they did know what they did because I was kind of my brother and and his friend that sort of took care of the whole thing but got it all back together for my friend and and off we went and then just a few months after that well what was the race I thought you did a race that you forgot your gear so that was my very first program oh okay okay yeah that's right yeah I can so you you pretty much killed your first race mm-hmm and then killed so in an 11 month span you go from the novice class to the expert class right yeah okay so that's your first Perez to take us through that the expert so 80 expert know this my my forgot the gear was 125 Pro oh but so yeah I went from ride around that may june back around to april world mini Grand Prix at Saddleback Park so I'd only been racing for about at saddleback yeah back then they did then Indian zooms right yep dudes as well so I wrote hey I would skip school to go to that because they would have it in April and they would have it throughout the week and I went Orange high school so me and buddies would go up there and just skip school and just go watch I didn't race it is that what happened to you oh yeah that explains a lot the only time so yeah I show up and what were you write out all this still on that same no no the same because I got for my birthday in June I'd got a 78 all right and so it wrote that lucky with the way you gusseted it straightaway yeah straightaway and but yeah I was great bike you know this means yoga testa you like we learned from my mistake we're moving for a little offshoot story right by January February something my brother decides he gets a there was Terry cable or somebody sent or sold this kit that was a longer day / rod so now you had longer suspension okay member those kids on the old Fork you know your damper rod is where the bolt screwed in and so that's what kept the fork together well if you just made a longer rod now you had longer suspension the bike looks funny it looked like it was jacked up there's a really funny lot then I also got a Thor swing arm and a cur nut Shawn turn net I remember that thinks something like that so the whole thing was raised so we go down to Barona oaks for a race and I'm ripping around there and I can't remember who I was battling with but it was for the lead we're racing around racing around a little bit of dust and just going and going and all sudden I do the smallest jump and just crash my brains out right I'm like well I must have hit a rock or something so I run over to my bike to pick it up in the front wheel is over there with the two lower fork legs ah dapper rods are folded under the fourth legs because got too long and there's no no though my brother again always in a hurry the the bolts came out so the forks came apart yikes and so there's a lot of those little trial trial and error I think for everyone you know I can't pick up my brother he'd he did everything he mean he was a greatest guy he got me so far in my racing cuz he had a job and had money you know our family and my dad lived on Social Security and you know doing odd brake jobs and little weird things but so I just along that technology Road so we put stock damp around but so ya come along April you know whatever level that bike was but at that time but we went there and raced and it's just like I was blown away I'd never seen a race like that I've been doing little yeah you know actually that was the first time I had ever been to Saddleback because we just want to escape country because it was close to the house and that's just you know he's just kinda out of habit you'd go there and so how big was the world mini at that point I mean like twelve thousand riders Oh at least qualifiers I was eighty expert you know I was like George Holland and Eric Kehoe were the two top guys at that time okay and so I don't remember all the other names I should go back and look at it because I probably beat a lot of fairly good guys but I got where my bike didn't break because I had I think I had a sprocket come loose and come apart I had a couple things throughout the day but I got a couple of thirds behind those two guys you know I remember like yeah it was probably the point I realized oh you know this is not I might actually be able to do this you know as a path to something so you know what we're all trying to do but the bigger size of the event you didn't get freaked out on me he still performed well it was funny because I was freaked out in practice because I didn't know the track and I'm riding around just lost but then one of them I think it was key he'll come by me and I'm like I'll just latch on to that guy and that really helped me and so then if you had like 27 practices the other way those events were ran so then I learned quickly hey and I think the other one made like Sam store was a K X 80 kid he was also pretty good so I would sit beside the edge of the track wait for one of those fast guys to come by now jump on behind him and just ride till either fell or they just pulled away from me but steep learning curve that was for sure yeah I just it's interesting because I grew up racing in Montana and the first world first big event I ever went to was the world mini but this was out in Henderson I'm gonna moved out there that would have been 85 and I blew my mind you know just all the pageantry of it all the factories there they had you know they think how we would bring their guy all the teams would bring their factory riders like it was just a whole nother world for me yeah I was my ass was just puckered shot like this I wrote terrible I get a whole shot just people were just blown by me yeah yeah I think that was that feeling that was my first race in the US and in the world minis in 96 in a racing with marley Pastrana Buckelew my clue was the man on the super mini yeah at that time he was like a almost untouchable yeah but it's funny same thing I came over and I was like holy I've never seen a semi truck at a tryout of track ever and I see they've just lined up at a mic but this is this is not even the pros like we got a pro races in like something similar to Sprint's it would be like full factory yeah and to go to and how much you race and see that and that amount of people it's just like we had never seen anything gates with maybe five ten guys say you know so yeah like you're saying forty man gates and then there's three or four qualifiers of them if you tell your buddy dude I went down the first two and I still won yeah you pause six guys alright it's so true I think I kind of learned later once I almost thought hey I could win this race whatever it happened to be I think that's when the pressure came to me cuz back then I was just almost so naive and determined yeah that was one of the things that I think carried me through a lot of situations and I had a little more determination than most of the people that I was racing against so I think that carried me through the first little while and then it was later when you know I won the first moto and rolling up to the second moto of whatever event then that was like now the pressures on I got to do this again we just call it after that over so Kehoe and hollered you mentioned who are the other top guys at that time you remember so there was like when I mentioned Sam's store there was a shop down on Chapman Avenue that had some of the top kids I think they were all on Suzuki's at that time okay and like Tracy Meeks comes to mind he was a another Cowie like a team green guy I'm trying to think who else bunch Bruce and bunch and although they were a little bit behind me like you know I was already on 125 when those guys were like the whole what about the throat in the pro class who were like the guys you were looking up to you at that time so at that time you know Bob Hanna was he was the media he was the man and then you know it he'd fall Brad Lackey because he was in the GPS and that you know we all just rushed down to get our cycle news and we would just pour over every word and then if you ever made it picture or a mention in western hotline because that was always the you know the California races but it so it was funny because Orange County cycle on Harbor Boulevard they were close enough because cycle news was down in Long Beach and somebody would drive down because it would come out on a Wednesday but they were available Tuesday off friends someone would drive down and they would literally be forty people waiting for that guy to drive backwards without cycle news and we don't grab our coffee and because we hope we made some little picture from the local Saturday Saddleback great that's so funny yeah when you're I mean shoot even as a pro you're always like I got a picture in here like I it's so now I remember the first time I saw myself on the cover of psycho news was kind of like yeah so you get when you work at Orange County cycle for a little while so did you yeah bill will the owner he was crazy yeah davon was the parts manager was the service all still around so I know I see a molding I talk to him all the time yeah Sol's grades it's funny whenever I see saw for a while there it was always some old story and now I just say hi because you know a little bit innocent but it's it's interesting all these people that have lasted in the industry yeah yeah yeah yeah what's like once you get in it's people don't leave it's hey that was the hub of that Orange County cycle was like a hub of racing for Orange County like everybody that had anything to do with Yamaha yeah oh there Louisville or not davon did a great job yeah always had the parts you know this guy davon the lindros he's still kind of around in some ways I don't know if he's living in Florida or California at any given time but yeah just a great passionate guy you know and he bill just gave him yeah here you go you know there's enough rope try not to hang yourself but I mean he would stock everything so that was the go-to place you know and then they have that little Yamaha support thing that you could you know get a bike buy one and get one however it all work but I had some valois sue those guys get a free set agree something like that yeah go back to that so alright when did you get onto the 125 then so pretty much soon after that world mini thing because I was getting big on the bike and I was before super minis they were still on the 1417 India wheel so there was no 100 CC's at that time there was a hundred cc class but it was just basically a sleeve down 125 okay so it just yeah there was a gap and you know and that's obviously we're super mini kind of filled in years later but so yeah I got on a 125 in kind of mid 79 what excuse me when the 79 s came out yz125 and back then they were still the oddball that would try and stay in the intermediate class and win win win collect his trophies but all of us at least me I was in such a hurry to get to the pro class because I've worked mowing lawns I did everything to afford racing I want to make money yeah end of the day yeah so I spent six weeks on a 125 racing the intermediate class I tried to sign up for novice Club is kind of afraid I'm like well these guys are big this bikes big and all that but I said no if you were an expert on an 80 you have to write at least intermediate you can't drop down through all that stuff but so I went on a big winning spree I know I think the only intermediate race I ever lost was when I had a bike problem but in back then you could race just about every day in the weed at night race yes you know and OCI are Orange County International Raceway which is now long gone but I think it's a great park now or at least part of the great park over there but office and Canyon yeah so we would go there and I grew up there as a kid you know my brother I would hang out with him he'd hand out the et slips in that little booth after you did your run so I mean I grew up at that place and then when they had a knight motocross do great so we would go and race there but so yeah I was at least one night a week sometimes two and then saddleback Saturday and then any other races yeah I was racing at least three times a week sometimes four but you know my brother and his buddy Kenny they they had money because they had jobs and I'm like yeah whatever yeah I just I was just I loved racing her on a Friday night yeah I did some of those but they were a little scary you know you had a 300-foot straightaway with a couple of 90 watt light bulbs dangling and the wind blowing around when you got out of the main stadium like they had a little I think it was just a short track it is a short track yeah so when you went up on the hill I mean you might as well close your eyes it was that black out there in the Hills so practice was good first moto second moto you could see any fan so you could do Ascot Wednesday night OCIO Thursday Friday was Corona than SMX on Saturday and then CMC on semi-think CRCC MC whatever yeah and especially once I turned pro you know you were just digging through the cycle knows who's got a purse you know yeah yeah you just chase those purses around but yeah so anyway I went quickly through the intermediate class so then I know now we're at the forgot my gear race so I was so excited to ride my first pro race idol back Saturday and I'm like okay everything's gonna be perfect I'm out there you know waxing my used tire like make everything as good as I could wash up my gear how'd it sit right now I'm the dryer everything so we were so anxious in the morning we leave get to the track I got no gear so I write practice and just the t-shirt and jeans I had my boots in helmet and all that and so we call my dad he gets in the car bring it well and I think this is why I had nightmares for all I don't know still today missing practice so because I got practice but my dad shows up before the race and I'm running around trying to get this gear on you know it's like that nightmare you know you yeah foot won't go through your pants I've got some real you know foundation for having that nightmare but so so funny my brother was so mad he's standing on the start with my bike and here I come running up you know from 100-yard dash there goes the gate and then my brother Stan he's the only guy there obviously with a bike I run up he lets it go it falls and I run pick it out he was so pissed at me he let it fall hey let it fall and I go and and there's looking for guys after it was Bobby Sullivan if you ever remember that guy Chris hi sir you remember him he was famous for being the first girl or the first guy to ever how would you say have intimate relations with Heather Locklear and I think even does that long ago well I don't watch TV much but somebody told me recently like maybe a year ago that you know all this yeah what are those the show's words of reality yeah I'm not reality but it's like all the anyway where Heather's in trouble and this guy and they're you know fighting and doing all this stuff on the stupid shows okay it was Chris is that right yeah so they're still kind of on and off again I guess Heather is kind of a mess I know but so he's a legend Chris Heiser because I guess they went to high school together down at Newport Beach or something and then I think it's Pat hubs and myself there's only four of us so I catch up and I beat two of them so I get second the first moto and I'm like happy and so the second moto well somebody breaks and I win so I won my first right you know Wapping like 35 bucks but so that was my my first pro race saddleback Saturday was missing the start I love it I love it so and you were now did you have a job at that point where do you at that point I was still like this on school no not really at that point I was going to like continuation school because I was kind of the equivalent of homeschooling okay I would go to like a night school so I could ride and stuff and so though I was probably just turned 17 but I had my own vehicle at that point you know anyone that knew me around Saddleback it was the purple Datsun beater truck but it got me to the races and so that and then at that point forward you know I parlayed that 35 bucks and I made it Saddleback that day and two you know huge huge money down the road not but that's what we did you know we raced three making times a week and you know then a little bit later I don't want to get too far ahead what's your next question yeah well no just kind of between that and your first national erased what was going on just a lot of local racing and yeah so you know that was 79 that I had my first race and decides just I was a local kid because I didn't have the money to go do the big races you know go Texas and all the spring or any of the amateur races Ponca City all that kind of stuff I just didn't even enter my mind so I just stayed locally well so in 82 I did my first national I went to Carlsbad okay and that was quite an interesting experience that's when everybody was had these giant front number plates yeah yeah I don't know maybe they were progressing too far whatever it was but I had a square front number plate and by this time I was on the famous Suzuki's because I've been a Yamaha got my whole life but for a short period I wrote these Suzuki's yeah because in 81 82 it was like a cheating if you wrote an RM 125 versus any of the other bikes is that right there was that good 81 82 83 84 was a new bike yeah but so that that short period I was on Suzuki's and it was because my Yamahas at that time I had a lot of failures well I think I whatever happened first moto but my bike broke and I saw I got I borrowed my buddy's bike and we put some electrical tape numbers and we went out there and I absolutely smashed these guys that I was battling with in the first moto second moto I smashed him I'm like that's not even fair when I went and bought at Orange County Suzuki the calvinist brothers Steve and Scott Cadmus I went and bought a used rm125 and 82 this was probably the beginning of 83 or maybe midway through 83 but I bought I used or and 125 550 bucks and I on that single bike I one more race because I wrote it for 18 months and it was a test of my mechanical abilities because it was I had the thing in the cases were so wore out the main bearings were like swimming so I'd learned from my dad just pin those things you know so we're grinding the main bearing dropping it in and then drilling and banging a roll pin I mean we hit like everything to catch that thing together but I one more it's funny I wish I still had it but I had like a sheet of paper it started out you know it's like a plan ahead no nice big and then by the end I had all these little amounts all just tucked in everywhere but I kept how much money I made each week on this bike you know be OCI are 35 bucks or you know Saddleback Saturday 80 bucks or whatever and it's just funny I wish I still have that piece of paper but are you great that for Mike paints itself itself few times over and really kind of opened some of the doors for me but so my story sorry skipped ahead scoot back here swing at me so I go down to do the Carlsbad national I Drive all the way down when tech was at the hospital you know it's how it was bad and I live in Orange County the guy oh he gets out the tape measure and your numbers are too far above your front fender but whatever the rule was and I'm like what I mean there's guys who would I was back at the time they were laying a month off and put the big butt so stupid sign no because I'd drive all the way back to buy Orange County cycle and I need a different number plate or something some and all that sort of stuff but so I go to that national I mean literally on my own again by this time my brother and I or at odds and this things weren't too good so I bring my one buddy down there and so I go out in the first moto and I'm ripping around there I don't know I got decent start and I'm just riding around riding around my buddy never showed me any pit signs because he was in the beer line he's over there having a good time watching the races this was the only time I ever rode 40 minute moto 2 because always an 82 they're still 40s riding around I'm riding around I'm just dead tired you're not night guys 15-minute Moto's so just almost towards me I think I'd have the two lap board and I'm like okay if somebody's pressuring me I'm like oh god I look back as Jeff war like oh so I move out of the way and I let Jeff Ward by for slapping me alright yes I go later and I look yeah Jeff Ward got 10th I got 11th from that first moto I should let that guy by I was good at Carlsbad because I grew up racing you know for years and years and years but he must have had a bad starter crashed you're done some probably crash not just a bad start that he's passing me at the 39 yard work so moto bike failure didn't even finish but that was my my first national 1180 to Carlsbad 11 DMF huh that's pretty dang good though 11 not too bad especially with no pit board and absolutely purple Datsun but so 83 I didn't write any cuz when Saddleback came I had an injury I've actually got a couple pictures of me riding in practice and that was it because I did something to my ankle and I rode practice and I never raced a t-33 you know it's just one so then 84 and by this time 84 I'm working 40-hour a week of a real job what were you doing we were it was a place that made the big glass windows for storefront or like big banks that were all looked like a glass cube we did that system what's called curtain wall so I would run a lot of punch presses and radial saws and just things yeah yeah my brother got me the job there I was working full-time still racing tons you know I'd go to work for the bike in the back and ask if I could leave early to beat the traffic up to ask God or whatever we were doing and so eighty for Golden State gnarly if you can it was myself being that I remember I can picture it just like it was yesterday Santa Maria Golden State it was last round Jeff Ward dr. Callie he wrote I think was Houston Supercross or whatever the night before flies in a helicopter and land so he can secure the 125 championship on his you know faxes that's how important the Golden State the Golden State was back then I'm just like oh my gosh that was a sand track I was there that was really a cool truck I'd bother all the time to go my mom lives up in Atascadero and every time you know my kids are tired you know there was a gold stay they didn't write that track very much that track was like they just put it in it just put it in yep mm-hmm for that event and there's a whole nother funny mike beier story to that day but we'll skip that for now okay so I got laid off from my job oh they did cut me like 40% of the workforce and everyone was gone the week before that Golden State so I remember being at that Golden State and Mike Beier needed something to get like maybe second or third in the series and so the whole but anyway through the whole day they were telling me oh yeah we're going to Florida for the first national next week and I'm like oh okay well good luck that sounds like fun but yeah yeah yeah I'll be home you know I gotta go find another job or whatever and just go with us Omaha uh you know I took a crack and I did okay at the one I did and by the global blocks no no no you should come you know cuz I beat him that day and I didn't beat him very often I beat him that day he's like you should go you should go yeah so I had a little bit of money just because I was working full-time and what you know whack him back those $35 a night it asked us yeah it's racking them up yeah big money so I ended up going I said oh yeah you know I think I even bought a new rear tire and well drove all the way to Florida by my not by myself I went with Mike but it was him and his mechanic in me so I went there with no mechanic you know signed up the morning of the race like you used to be able to do yeah I've never been there before obviously yeah and so Mike his mechanic Ted Cabral still you know crazy funny guy and he he goes okay well you know I can kind of help you you know a few guys are not the same heat race and I can you know course Mike and I are in the same heat race no okay well you know we'll just deal with it and so of course Mike and I go one two he won I got second in the heat okay so he's like he's good simple you guys were like trying to kill each other I spit out yeah you solve that a little longer so then first molar comes around yeah I'm like okay I got my bike leaned against the fence I'm over there fixing my start spawn died pretty good pic cuz I got second and yeah I think there was three heats back ma'am yes freakin 140 guys there's something trying to qualify faster so we do the whole thing I get a decent start and I'm just riding my brains out and who do I end up racing with mike beier yeah so we're going around there and I'm passing some guys I'd never heard of before you know I'm 298 I was the price tag that's what they they dawn my number as the price tag and so ripping around there I kind of their race was probably 15-20 minutes in I'm like I think I'm doing pretty good because I started seeing because I was actually catching Mike I start seeing his pit boards he was in 4th and I'm like holy crap so I'm gone and going and this is the story that will last forever so they're at Gainesville that year it come my ass off though I kind of the last drop-off you went up and down that wall a few times and then you went into that little manmade section and then by the finish line so there was kind of a groove cut in right after you come off that last drop there was just a low line that the jump almost didn't exist and then everything else was kind of big and so kind of had an opportunity to take him down but I needed to ride home from Florida so and that's how it stands forever and ever but so he got and it's funny because the mechanic said that I went like my ears must have been popping because I still tried to hit the job at his speed and he went the low line and I guess I was well remember I was just one wanted to beat my friend got fifth in my first real national moto that's pretty good cuz yeah it's that was a year that it was just to factory guys that were gone every moto they went 1-2 who mara and Jeff Ward episode those two guys went 1-2 in every moto so the rest of us were really trying to get third who was third in everything so in that race I think it was so that I'll give you kind of a list of people is Rick Ryan AJ whiting and I think Gary Bowman those three might have been the Suzuki kind of okay factory guys even though they're kind of production based bikes they weren't true factory bikes it and then Yamaha Mike Beier was kind of heated up getting third that year in the champions of the championship yeah not too many people remember one so Bowen here was he might have been at 250 that year okay it's a following year 85 he was on a 125 number 14 in that photo I showed you but yeah I don't remember bowing much from there but guy Cooper because it was his rookie year also so he was number 107 on a Honda cheese and then Kehoe I think he was he might have been one of the Suzuki guys then yeah like but it was from talented field yes what were you riding were you gonna Yamaha again yeah I was still on that juice beat up Zuzu no way yeah well no actually I was on I borrowed a bike from Jodi Wisel one of his MxA test bike so a fairly stock Suzuki Mitch didn't put a pipe on and a little something but yeah I was on a borrowed bike I just okay I they let me ride it through Golden State because I didn't really have the money to buy my own but yeah so I took that same bike down to Gainesville she's no did you get a suspension of stuff valve back there yeah not really I think Enzo did that bike and another funny stupid Enza or me poor bro crud and junk bikes one day at saddleback I got like second or third and one of those big you know Saddleback 5,000 there's $5,000 pro purse in there he'll write qualifiers just to get in the pro main Moto's and anything I got third or fourth they find some real fast guys I remember I took my suspension down to Ross and I'm like hey this thing seems loose it was the you know the reservoir had that long hose and then it was up under the tank well apparently it had no nitrogen in it and I told him yes he's been kind of loose so with no nitrogen that cap didn't have the pressure to hold it against the little ring and I go that thing it's been like that for a few days now and he's like you've raced it like that like yeah I got like third yesterday I told him it did bottom the law it didn't handle very well so at the beginning of my testing I guess but so so little hydrogen you were happy man yeah after he fixed it up I was like now it's when I first met Ross he was in a little shop over by the River Trail down in Santa Ana somebody said hey this is a guy you need to you know go and see and that was 83 on my 82 Suzuki but so yeah I was on okay a borrowed bike at that national as well so so maybe getting let go is the best thing that ever happened to you it kind of pushed you out the door well I've said that a thousand times that that was really what sparked me to because you know going down there and it's funny so second moto I wash my bike which I never really did I must have got water in the car because I got a second motor Gainesville down like you drop down on the pit right about there little thing dies so I'm sitting on the side of the track kick kick kick kick and I'm like almost threw my hands up I'm like I'll try it again and I couldn't even hear the bikes that's how far the pack was got the bike running got going and came all the way from a distant 40th to get 12th in that second moto so I got ninth overall so I was in the top ten going to hang town so I at that point I said I can't go get another job but so yeah that was one of those things so the defining moments you think what if I would have never got laid off I would just kept working and riding local race stuff likely so yeah yeah exactly that's crazy so did you do the whole series that you're in the whole series and obviously Saddleback was easy to go to of course I move sick as a dog flu out of high anxiety going on I gotta go race again can we just quit now cuz I felt pretty good at that other place but did that sick as a dog I think me I have somewhere 12th or something not that good what the hang town had a pretty good one by the time we needed to kind of head back east I had you know kind of got a mechanic's order just a kid that was willing to drive with me and when did we drive that first I think we just stole my pickup truck went to you know some of those and then later we got a trailer because you know so stuff didn't get rained on stolen or whatever but so to be honest brandon Sperling's dad owned it remember pallet company - so and throughout that year I had these really good rides ride get like a fifth or something and then bike would break or something and I'd get a D nut but I was battling with guy Cooper for that Rookie of the Year honor thing okay and he and I would just we actually became good friends then we're still you know to this day but yeah because he was much like me and they drove some sedan with a three rail trailer for half the year you know Hammond and Jana driving around doing pretty much same thing I was and so that was kind of just it was just such a big learning curve but I remember sort of another defining point of that year was Millville you know obviously I've never been to any of these tracks before so I go to Melville and first moto I'm ripping around there and I'm just having it's still one of my favorite tracks today and catch up you know past this guy path I'm like man I'm feeling pretty good hottest humid day but I didn't know I'm like well packs and these guys pretty easily saw I got like six in the first moto feeling pretty good you know I think I passed Ryan and you know just the handful of guys that are like factory guys and I'm still in a sedan and a trailer and so second moto same thing I'm like man I'm feeling pretty good past Beyer past you know AG widening pass all these guys I get into third I didn't you know third was like winning a moto because Johnny and Jeff were always somewhere somewhere else on the track but I'm going around there and I'm like this is unbelievable I get the two lap board and I think guy Cooper was the last guy I pass and because we were like neck and neck for that Rookie of the Year thing well so this is his account because I don't remember much of it you know yeah well you've been a paramedic you probably know what dehydration and heat exhaustion does to you you have some really cool dreams so he tells me he tells me that I rode like just went right through a banner and pulled up under a shade tree and I just laid my bike down I don't remember any of that I woke up in an ambulance and I'm packed in ice and I'm like you know you see the guy was sitting in there kind of monitoring me but he's back with her and I'm like I must have had the biggest crash ever you know and I'm wiggling my toes and my fingers I'm like hey everything seems to work oh nothing hurts and the guy's like oh you're awake okay he kind of starts talking to me and stuff well somewhere in between laying my bike down under a shade tree and waking up talking to this guy I was having crazy crazy hallucinations yeah so this was my hallucination was that a pack of bikers so it's funny to tell the story so this pack of bikers is trying to inject me with drugs because they wanted to do something or other and it was apparently when I was trying to get or when they were trying to admit that IV yeah so I'm like would act all calm and then when they did close that goes like scream and so it was guy Cooper's wife Jana apparently came over and yes she was hot we all were like drooling over her she came over and I saw her and I'm like oh put my arm out and they I beat me and all that whose crazy hallucinations that's funny so that pretty much took 20 points away from me yeah and so that hurt me I think we were right around seventh and eighth guy we were battling so I where there's two races after that Colorado altitude and one week after heat exhaustion and vomiting up you know orange Gatorade the whole week but flat that day and flat at Washougal on that 10th overall for the year which was great but I think I ended up seventh and got that Rookie of the Year deal were you not like with a few laps to go we're not like thinking man I'm really hot and tired I think I just pushed past it you know because that's what I say my determination has got me in trouble several times and I think that was the first indicator that my mind was willing to push myself beyond what my body could handle Wow yeah I went I just went to the point that I shut down and look for ya I was fine at that point everyone handles things a little bit differently yeah it's just I remember I was trying to do Moto's and without that old was MX compound or whatever oh yeah that was super heart we're doing 40 minute Moto's one day and I remember I was just like not used to the California Heat and I rode up and I pulled off my dad's like that was the we had one lap to go and I guess I just rode up and he said I just collapsed off the bike I just left me all the way to the hospital you got to stay conscious yeah it's tough that place we've worked out and nasty yeah before the outdoors I was doing 40 minute Moto's there I think I tried to do three the one day kind of exceeded the limit maybe that's we're a little bit similar I've put some yeah so you weren't even in a box now at that point you're still in a truck trailer yeah but now did you not have factories come and talk to you during the season okay but see that was the thing that you know I've never been great at promoting myself you know even to this day I'm not a big social media guy Hey look at me kind of thing and I just back then was under the assumption all the hard work and the results you know people will see so nothing you know now I didn't write any out of the races no Supercross wasn't anything like that and I think I just I'm convinced another one of those things no I didn't cook at Melville and I would have been more of that because guy Cooper landed a nice honda deal for the next year well supported through Honda and I ended up you know back home just doing this and that and not really in the limelight and then bass races came around Mitch helped me you know I just when he was in the old carpet shop down there in Anaheim you know I would hang around with him and go test his stuff and just do whatever yeah and so he's like yeah you know we'll get you a bike and we'll do this in that and according to Mitch's this is a great story I was gonna come down here when you guys had your live show with him and just heckle him because yeah we've had a lot of history Mitch and I but if you listen to Mitch's version of the story he had me a full Honda factory ride full samurai before semis existed you know big salary the two girlfriends he he sold he really took care yeah but what it actually was his Honda gave him a 125 test bike to develop because they were so bad in 85 okay it's not really 85 125 was not very good okay so I just and I wrote it and I think at that point he was trying so hard he actually tuned it to a standstill because I wrote a buddy of Mines it was a stalker and I think it ran better than what miss you've been working on for a while but so I ended up back on the Suzuki again borrowed a magazine bike from Jody and went to Gainesville the first national yeah okay you know just kind of mixed and then I came back home and Jim Castillo was helping Mike Brown you know the flying micro line and so he had bought him some calories and one of the old Cali Box vans so I went to the second race at Hangtown Oh Ana County Jim had you know we looked back rich we had one of Kelly's old box vans and they all still paint up calorie we had Callie's out the back and you know so it looked all good but it was Jim Castillo funded the whole thing so I did that for that year up and down you know the bikes were okay but yeah just no organization and it was just it was a rough year well I still had some good Moto's here that pop some you know fifths or eights or something in there and so partway through the year my kara says hey you know would you like to ride some Yamahas 486 like yeah that'd be great you know so Joe Melton yeah he was my mechanic that year because I think he had broke his foot or something was off work so he's like oh yeah I can drive the truck and pretend to change the air filter you know I was like mechanic and Rider but he was the transport driver but so we're on the East Coast I remember we went to Pennsauken New Jersey some yamaha warehouse and got a crate of yz125 cuz ii per crate and there's a whole lot of stories about that whole adventure that week leading up but we went to Millville so where that thing was that picture I showed you at the start so that was my first week on that bike and so that's kind of the beginning of the kind of the rest of my Omaha career yeah I started on a Yamaha rode those for several years had a little stent that Suzuki's and really brief Kali run I think what I did six races or something like that and then I ended up on Yamaha and then race three different brands at once in one season yeah that's what when you call desperate and private did you disconnect the bass system on that 86 the Yamaha yeah brake assisted suspension yes system I think it was on the 124 I thought it was I think it was all the 250 and for whatever the 440 was at 490 yeah yeah yeah the bass master yeah we did but I don't remember it being on the 120 like we're supposed to like open the compression open the compression under break under braking yeah yeah so you could go over the bars for sure that was before I was a test runner I just want to make that clear hey yeah because I came along by testing and that's what really started opening the doors for me once I got on the Yamaha I started his funny Scheidler loves to tell the story every time I call him you know a typical guy that's you know loves to tell old stories that every single time I called you remember the day at Mammoth you know you came up to me you sit right on my bumper and said give me a shot I want to be a test Rider and sure enough that's pretty much how it happened I went down yeah I went down and since I was about mid 86 that all that happened and so I've been there ever since and and for people who don't know he's kind of the testing guy Yamaha the development guy he was behind the scenes yeah he was the original testing guys use their so long when testing really we became a big part of Japan's development is through those years and you know ed was very instrumental because he was absolutely crazy and very driven to make sure that things were you know the way I should be so yeah he was he was pretty crazy but so I've skipped ahead again please don't go against do I have so this I don't want to get too far ahead but so the whole 85-86 season this is right one 125 Supercross had come in that's right okay so I got bikes from Yamaha with me you hadn't done any Supercross prior to this at all no I tried Anaheim and 8485 I borrowed a friend's to Vitesse uzuki and that's a bit of a disaster yeah rolling down the tunnel never seen a supercross track other than in pictures and that and trying to yeah and I did I think LA Coliseum in that same year and I actually was somewhat close to qualifying and managed to meet up for the hey Valen didn't mean so well but um so so 85 I rode one 125 Supercross because they I think 85 was her first year of 125 sounds well so I'd come in and I rode the Rose Bowl yeah and class my brains out broke my back oh it's to get back on the bike and finish got like an eighteenth or something like that whatever I finished it didn't matter but chill Yamaha signs me all up I'm healed up I'm ready to go test it out at our brand-new Danns the test track do you remember that one I used to ride out here yeah some pretty closed road you know God all ready to go and then I get a letter from the AMA about I think it was about middle of December and we've noticed you sign up for the 125 class and you're an expert so therefore you must ride to beauty class sure and eligible for the 125 class and I'm like I mean I shouldn't have got back on my bike at the Rose Bowl apparently one seventeenth in one 125 Supercross you know at the top I'm like you can't believe so obviously phone calls back and forth yes before email and what I learned was in 84 and 85 riding all those Outdoor Nationals back then you were a pro-am which professional amateur or you're an expert and so I was unaware that when I say I went out and got a fifth in a moto well if all four guys ahead of me were pros you know an expert pro and I was a pro-am pro I got full advancement points hmm so I somehow pointed out by riding Outdoor Nationals reinvented how many times yeah stupid well and even past you you know like buddy antennas and Denny and well into the 90s it was a mess yeah let me talk about pointing out twice and his first like two seasons yeah well yeah but I was potentially you know victim number one of the casualty of that total back system so that's what I won one race and you're out one race seventeenth I go Larry Brooks won the series I think or won a bunch of races and he's still in oh what they would do and I don't know how much truth I was told this later when they would go to an outdoor national they would sign up in the amateur the day before and do one lap word I don't know some weird thing and then that negated they could win the Moto the next day and they got zero advancement points because they were racing under an amateur provision I don't know some weird thing and I'm like oh that would have been good to know you know it's been good like say it the riders meeting hey if you plan on fighting Supercross you know yeah I require you to give us 35 bucks on Saturday so flex you're out I was out and so I didn't do the first couple of races because I had no Hawk gave me a 250 then I'm eventually but yeah that was and so funny when you look back and you look at all that stuff because all these guys that would never beat me you know the Ty Davis's and the all these guys are winning you know regional titles and yeah the hoops and all this and I'm like you know I felt so cheated they were getting all these kind of perks bikes or extra money and all that and here I'm I think Bobby Moore won that year or an Surat didn't he win from 85 really yeah yeah so all those guys you look back at just golden States or however you engage those guys would almost never beat me you know and then I got shafted and I but anyway that's that's all water under the bridge now as they say that's crazy well and it's still not a perfect system they've improved it but but I think now they just leave them in there indefinitely Martin Davalos now there's a ways to cheat it is all well used to get better you're just a bad cheater my focus is in the wrong place so tell us how you got the nickname the doctor so now that's a little bit of a mystery in respect of how I thought I got it and how it actually was given to me it was two completely different things so I had in that season like 85 86 a bunch of injuries that kind of you know kept me from racing the complete season and all that so I thought it was because they sent me pants on is the surgeon and the doctor and all this not that no because I spent so much time at the hospital or you know getting knee surgeries or whatever it was so then later something was sad in some written article and the guy that actually sort of gave it to me worked at O'Neill he said I don't know what it was was dr. J basketball player was retiring and so I sent you dr. D and that was just kind of a little play on dr. J retiring it was big dr. J fan and I'm like what was the search in Raleigh well you know cuz you had you know a certain riding style and precision or you know you were always fairly calm or like but anyway so yeah it kind of came from him just yeah he was a guy that made all the little butt patches for people and so that's where it came from so the whole time I thought it was because I had so many injuries and it was not dr. J it's not do a basketball player so to make sense because you're five five so I think seven little above down I think I was five a dish at a time but all you know super cross triples like nitrogen and compressed me all right so what happened in 86 you Yamaha continued their support with you yes and so I got 250 and you know I only wrote a couple super crosses because I still really didn't have I got bikes but I still didn't have a lot of money to go and do all the super crosses so but you had a place you could test out at DeAnza and do all that yeah I remember I did because I missed all the Anaheim's and stuff because you know I was testing 125s all the way up to and then also when that came and however it was I didn't get a bike till I think the a couple days after the first race at Anaheim okay so then it went east and all that well so then I raced who was it Tempe Arizona that little Sunday yeah so I raced that back when the the big tables were semi flat bags that they covered in dirt and all that what a horrible yeah so I actually was having a pretty good night that was my first Supercross that I have a road really and actually qualified that I remember battling with Johnny Oh in the main event and I'm thinking I'm like they better sign me after this night you know we were racing around for like 7th or 8th or something like that and he had to short some of those big jumps because it's so slippery into the corner I mean you talking about baked and dusty it's not shorter this one thing on the brake and it ripped my the little log off the frame Oh remember the old yeah so that was a drum break but okay so it ripped it's something like that song and drop like five or eight spots I got like a 15th through 17th is an Alaskan flops with no break but that was my first so when I told you I went 1-1 DNF that was kind of just a precursor to the rest of my career really I was always a little something there that went on just to another injury or something with a bike but so the Yamaha continued to support me through the that year so 87 was better and then I got we it was Steve Butler came along no not yeah that wasn't Steve Ballmer yet but anyway I had a van I bought a used van off of a friend and so we went and did I think either all or almost everyone and I was healthy too with Dave Hammond don't know if you remember that name he wasn't McCann he worked for Jim Castillo on after he stopped working for me as a mechanic okay he helped build a lot of those crazy Carbon bikes that Rick Johnson Road and all that so he worked at what was innovation you know see GME brace and all that salvations light so he worked for me a couple years okay and so 87 I got bikes and all that and then Mike Guerra kind of stepped in and and I started just my relationship because at the middle of 86 I started doing a lot of testing so then I started opening the doors to get more and more parts and I can remember the first time I actually had like Brock's bike effectively at one of those Mickey Thompson races yeah yeah we had to ride the backwards side of a jump and all that craziness so I rode I won I won an ultra cross at Sun Devil Stadium 93 nice because i sandbagged hearings what's called the current was what's the red flag restart the series you wanted the points I was only doing one of them all why I want to start out front I'm gonna so I wherever I wasn't the heat I just like let a couple people go I think I saw a little bit on on TV before when I first moved you but didn't when you're saying you would go up the back didn't they just have the worst flow ever because go in one way yeah it's like you know yeah the bikes would go the other wouldn't wasn't like you guys would land like at the base of every yeah horrible track ever but I had a good bike and I remember with Mike Craig that whole night and he won I got second but yeah he rode although that was my only one then but so I rode all of those races and then gotten more support it kind of threw you know I was doing a little bit both sides I would help with you know John our and I became very good friends he was a suspension guy for all those years and I was the only guy that was just dumb enough to hang around the supercross track all the factor guys would ride their X amount may be gone by lunchtime and I'd be there till the Sun went down and John R was like finally someone that's will just hang around and you know put up with everyone and my one chimp changes how was that yeah okay I'll take that one back how is that you know so I mean but it opened so many doors for me so that's what kind of led me into getting a lot more support eighty-eight so in 88 yeah we had good good bikes we're still driving around a van but we had good support pretty much a factory bike I mean were you think much I don't think it was quite Brock's bike or Micky Dymond by that time he had come along but it was pretty much almost their version they might have been off testing and eking a little bit more out of it but yeah we had pretty much a factory bike and then that's when this is the the infamous Ponca City if you remember that so my era has a great idea hey because a bunch of other teams were sending guys you know Cowie had I think Matassa visca drow ski go and Yamaha had myself go and larocco and I think Larry Ward you know he's a pretty stacked field because they were allowed to kind of pull some guys down and still amateurs even though we'd all race Nationals before but so I go there in 87 there no yeah 88 and it was when you had stock and mod in both classes so you basically was four individual titles but then you were the Grand National Champion yeah whatever it was I gelled at the track or whatever but I smashed all those guys I once talked in mod 125 and no I got third in stock 125 but I won mod and then I won mod 250 and one stock 250 so I thought so I had and if you remember one Paul Theda rat race tech he made this different shifter that pivoted off the swing arm pivot so it just because the Omaha the shifter was so short you were almost having to pull it backwards to shift okay one of the saying so he had this modified shifter that made it better so I go down there and it was just my bikes from home and I'm like hey you know we put all the stuff back to stock and we go down to tech and we take it we go do we need to take the shifter off and then uh it's you know this you know verbage in there you can modify the shifter as long as you're not changing inside the engine or whatever he said ok we wrote it all week no one in the sun's mad at Guerra even though he comes back and says I still paid you your contingency but so that was the last race of the weekend I won the Moto and they pulled my bike aside and I'm like oh it's really galifty I'm like no no no I talked to the tech guy go get the tech guy in there of course he was gone so it got stripped from me in the class when I think the class wind went to Matassa vich and then the Grand National went to Kujawski both Cali guys and the event was sponsored by so obviously back for the Internet but there's letters back and forth in the back of cycle news and yeah everyone wasn't pissed because I was there that year yeah 80 intermediate and 80 nice yeah well I was almost the grand national champ but so anyways that kind of helped me into 89 I got real proper support ok I mean I had the best bike I had a box van they released you for $1 so that for a liability or whatever and then that's when cuz Butler came along Steve Butler who's still here today they haven't kicked him out of the country but how did he come over so what it was Dave Hammond who I'd mentioned before so he came over with a bunch of guys you know they came a little group of five or six or whatever and they lived up on Paris Boulevard because you know Mockingbird Canyon or not Mockingbird but Richie Canyon out there with the king riding spot so they all came to ride and just whatever you know Australians seem to have way more vacation days in the rest of the world every time I was on an airplane I swear for half my career I've always sitting next to some Aussie oh yeah yeah I got like you know 27 weeks off that was Linden happenin to came with him yeah Ian Rowe so there we hung out with Kent fought and we hung out with those guys and we went ice-blocking and stuff like that over and corona and all that sweat one never ice-blocking what the hell is that you slide down a hill on a big black ice okay first you got to crawl into the ice machine because you don't pay for it you probably left that part of the story you heard the people I know there's a great ice blocking hill and Boise Idaho yeah yeah I think people have died on it but a party til someone dies so Steve Butler was like the second way if I think it was just only a few of them that time I mean he was looking he came over he thought he was gonna race and then quickly quickly realized that he would have a little more success as a mechanic because he grew up you know working in a shop and being a mechanic and raced but so the Dave Hammond got this opportunity to go work for innovation Sports for Jim Castillo much more lush gig I think but so I ended up working with Steve Butler and so that was beginning of 89 and that's what we got a box van we had good bikes everything and Steve was outstanding mechanic even though I was I would set to wear do they call those a helicopter yeah I knew enough about it and I'd had a lot of kind of shady mechanics that it was just ironic that you know here's probably the best mechanic that ever lived and I'm looking over and making sure he's putting stickers on right or the tightening that bolt but so we had great success that was actually my best overall year was 89 I got six in the Supercross series six outdoor six outdoor and forth and the 500 on that 360 yeah which was not the fastest bike and to your point this long is if we could all get to the first turn okay yeah and because after 15 minutes those guys would all be dead tired and I'd still be charging through the end I mean a lot of you know late moto passes too you know yeah oh yeah like when you were talking about the 250s being just as fast in Supercross if you could just get a start inside the top five or six you're golden yeah they would rip the first handful of laps but when the track started deteriorating and you know they started exactly and then I could because that thing it's funny well isn't that thing like just get slower and slower as the race went on no it started out slow we first got those we're drag racing like our current 250 race bikes and to the race bikes like three bike lengths on a start to that 360 because it was just you know we got that kid öhlins built that kit but it was short of a little bit technology you know the cranks weren't balanced properly piston was heavy there's just a lot of things that kept it from its potential okay and finally towards the end it got better they really we had it such a short time because it was just a late decision to do this or we're not gonna ride the 490 we'll ride these things and why not ride the 490 well it just it was at that point just it was dated you know and that's you talking about falling off you know that thing would start detonating and funny story I told this to Brock some years back I went rode one of those burn worth races and I rode like a Brock replica bike and I swear I walked up to him next time I saw him the Dunlop tent and I kissed his feet I said dude you know we all knew that you were superhero to even run close to Bailey on that works Honda but I have a whole new level of respect for you because that that by it's just no power valve you know would heat up we start detonating you know there's nothing worse than trying to break into a corner and how thing go coming and also know it's like somebody grabbing the throttle it hit me those things were little bit yeah they just did you know what time had passed it surprises me that Yamaha didn't come up with something better you know and they were racing those work spikes there's yzm 500 but that was such a limited program and they were having lots of trouble with that early aluminum frame you know breaking a lot and you ride that twenty something years later I won in France about five or six years ago first time and then I've ridden one a couple times since then same guy loans it to me when I go and do that race which I'm supposed to go to in May if the if we're allowed to fly by the end but so I never it's funny because I was at an international race in France and Jackie Pomona I got to know him well through Jim Castillo and all that and his mechanic Michelle great guy he's like yeah you want to ride it was after the race or something well you could go and ride it and I'm like oh yeah I just forget all right it's um well you know I'm a testing guy and I'll ride that thing but it was such a little narrow program that thing came and went so quick that you didn't see it much now a couple pictures from Europe and yeah it was there and gone pretty quickly so yeah so the 360 it finally got better and better spent some money you know balance cranks and did just a lot of different things and I actually you know my highlight of that year was a whole shot at Unadilla on that 360 over you know is that right yeah it was machine and warty on the cows and it was Bale Stanton and Johnson on the factory Honda you know so that's five pretty serious bikes yeah my whole shot at first moto Unadilla on that fell off I lost a couple positions didn't last very long so is that the same basic bike that like Bradshaw continued to race when he came around so he this is kind of back to the 490 so in 1990 we rode for 90s again but then in 91 when Bradshaw was on the bigger bikes he rode that WR we tried to ride that WR which was it was even worse it was the same bike you know it had a couple little modifying modifications but it was still the same bike but they decided to race it because that's right 90 we didn't ride in 90 we rode 125 okay and then so 91 they're like oh you know because they just released it as a off-road bike you know a WR and so we raced him and you know it wasn't great but Damon much to his credit his ability he won a moto on that thing you know yeah beat all those guys that's pretty incredible bike yeah I was I think was binghamton he won second moto or something that that boy when he was wanted to ride he could ride like nobody yes so 89 was kind of a great season for you like you said fourth overall in that 500 championship on that bike yeah that was good I mean Lachine breaking his fame or a Delmont helped me a little but yeah I think I was already gonna have you were fifth it's still yeah and that you know kind of some other little weird details about that year some why my direct teammate was Micky Dymond and he did something that I will be etched in my brain forever so yeah yeah we're up at Washougal testing this thing right remember Washougal so you come down off the hill you do the left right and then you come down son yeah and then you you turned around there you remember it was like a wall jump there for a long time so it had some little rollers up to it I don't know what Mickey did cuz I'm sitting there to where I'm in the infield like that grassy infield and so I could just look to my right and it was maybe 20 yards away was that jump okay that's kind of talking to John are and I'm looking over and I watching Mickey come around and all sudden just turned away but out of the corner of my eye I'm like he did something to where he kind of got kicked and fell off the bike he hit that wall jump full top like third year and I mean he was no I'm not exaggerating in any way shape or form he was 30 feet in the air and he just bailed off the back of it and landed out in the grass oh he was going off the track yeah yeah cuz you know the track kind of curl into the yeah and then you kind of went left and hit that triple but it was the most frightened I think I'd ever been in my life to see something like that happen nothing broke but he bruised both heels I mean you can see the divots in the grass where he landed and he brute so he was off the bike for he only came back and rode three of those 500 races because we were testing that 360 that yeah so now it's pretty gnarly so it ended up being really Steve Lampson as a privateer 269 on that 360 member here I think he was in North County Yamaha gotta so Lambie and I kind of you know battled in there on that we had and Steve's a great guy I got the dog really well kind of through that series yeah that's awesome Mickey never told he was on the show I didn't ever mention that story yeah scary so what about being on the Box been out on the road you and Butler like do you have I have really great memories of those those were the best times because you got to ride all kinds of trash backyard tracks just other proper public tracks and you just got I always those are the times I enjoyed like you know and please I'm gonna skip ahead here a little second that Japanese guy that I was training there for a few years number there one year and then they took it away from him but that was one thing I told him I said we're gonna stay back well rent a car we'll do whatever but we're gonna stay back and I'm gonna take you to yeah I posted that one picture you said I've ridden that track you know that sand trap yep on the East Coast but we're at martinet max and we went to all these tracks and that guy the grin on his face after each day we exactly it's like just riding with other random people but riding all it cuz in Japan there's a few good tracks but for the most part they ride kind of some crap that's what they have to write it's the same old crap but so those are the memories and I have to I mean those were some of the best times going down to Florida you know staying at that Holiday Inn and right out of your room out into the sand that was not only a ditch but you know all that stuff is what builds all those fond memories we all still have you know when when I went to Europe did the GPS you know obviously Europe's not the it's not as big as America when you look at it so to drive around Europe but it's so different everywhere you went and I think being young you know teenager it was a good eye I mean it really gave you that kind of school of life and Wow like everywhere is different and why is this place like this and then you look at the history and everything makes sense but you know it was really sort of eye-opening and it created an atmosphere an experience but it was it was a good time States the same thing when I had my mother home a lot of times when there back-to-back races back east we was just go from one place to another and trying to arrange to go ride someone's backyard track and a public track and to me I thought that was always part of the experience if you can't learn the textbook no and a lot more a lot from a lot of kids aren't getting that experience because they go straight from amateurs right into a factory rig and it's too bad there's fire and they are traveling all right let's one more thing here well couple more things the following season 90 your teammates with emmagan bradshaw you're gonna get stories and those to you guys to really cover that year cuz that it was interesting because you know Emmett came in and he we didn't know him that well I mean I just kind of knew him Pierre there you know maybe just from whatever but I didn't know him that well and you know I have been hanging around Damon for a few years at that point you know we were pretty much tight and buddies and I knew how to you know kind of what made him to work and how to work with him you know because he was pretty volatile you know he was like bipolar almost but he's like the stock market these days exactly so he was it so a became an and Emig was a little bit reserved you know he kind of kept to himself and which was just the worst thing because all day to do was you know what he did all of us you know walks into a hotel room tackle and you know beat his ass and we were all used to it but I don't think Emmerich was quite so keen on it but it was you know some little bit of a weird year for me I had a bunch of injuries so I missed a lot of races so it was yeah I mean I would be at the races and trying to help them in any way you know I could but yeah I missed a bunch of races that year did Yamaha ask you to come and what somewhat but it's weird I never really got the traction with Emma come on we'll go mountain bike or we'll go you know whatever you know we I did so many weird things I was crazy I would go rowing or you know we just trying to broaden that instead of his ride moto all day every day we were doing lots of stuff and I'm gonna never really get any become you know he was always it was funny because he had this little ritual so Saturday before the National you couldn't find that go riding yeah he'd go off and him and Butler cuz you know I spy the other reason that I didn't get along with him he took my mechanic but even butler would go off and he wouldn't see them all day you know they go to tack either right when it opened or right as it closed but they'd go ride and them it would just do this little thing which that's great you know if that's what makes you click then that's what you need to do he said they would get the jetting just Nats ass yeah there was like I say you know I felt bad picking on him when he was first my mechanic that guy smarter than any ten people have ever worked with after me so there's a weird little offshoot bit of trivia but you can use it sometime down the road so on that the year that Emig won the title which was present I mean 92 yeah 92 so that's when LaRocca I had all that issues at the end of the year thirty eight point lead races to go yeah 14 Fla that was something Butler actually the pilot Jenny couldn't get it down lean enough down low he soldered up the pilot jet completely blocked it and that's when that bike really started running good I remember hearing that might have mentioned that yeah it was there was no pilot jet he just soldered it he didn't solder the circuit in the car but he soldered up the jet he just put solder in its didn't pass and then just put the jet back in but me just know who else would but no fuel no fuel going through it in that because there was enough bleed just through your other shirts you know up through the needle or whatever there was enough bleed that he couldn't no matter what he put in and he couldn't get it lean enough to get that bottom but you know that's how you know just thorough he was opened up a can of worms in South Africa because people have heard about these car because I just I got on ATS in 91 and then by like 93 it just seemed like every father was screwing around with but I remember the kids would all be sitting there guy dads are just destroying a bus right now movie sitting there like yeah we're rolling tires down the hill like physics use car tires every term on the tracks will be rolling cart eyes down the hill and dad's be like those were definitely two different guys huh I mean that whole year was a little bit of that trying to figure out sort of what made Jeff click or what you know how we could all get along and you know in the agent strikes means a bit of a like perfectionist and in that way like you know when you when you just see him sometimes like how he is mm-hmm like you said working on jetting on set Saturday like I could totally see aiming being like that but he was also good start and I think that was probably part of his mental sorry there's and there likes good I know we died we're ready to go racing yeah yeah and that's why I say hey yeah hats off to him because he arguably you know won that championship on what most people would say it wasn't the best bike but I think by the end it was very very competitive I always thought that thing looked good was it not that great originally like if you look at magazines shoot out and I think it was the word opera for me yeah so it's always hard to start with a platform well below everyone else it's a lot easy make it really really good and it's as good as the other guys the other guys just put a pipe on it together again but I mean that was just an interesting year for all of us you know I mean kind of you know Damon again I think he had pretty up-and-down year that year you know win a race and get hurt and you know it was was that the year he won the Miami Supercross on the 89 that was a like four times and stuff that none of us were jumping yeah you know cuz yeah that that was Damon and his you know prying wasn't a pretty sandy as well white white sand we've rolled out there somewhere pressed and we're going what this is gonna fall apart and we don't need to get out of the beats they broke the beating race I mean for an excitement imagine any - I mean think about it whether it's GP or Southwick go look at the at the results over the years it's always a bit of an upset someone near the front or someone that should have been there wasn't because the challenge is much different than all the other tracks yeah those man those were so I'm gonna jump to 92 whoa did you race the whole tubebuddy Supercross season to 92 yes I think I might have missed one here they're from injury but I had some good results in 92 so I went down a rabbit hole the other night on YouTube and I found the 92 Tampa Supercross do you remember that at all a little bit was that the one that Everett rode number 111 he was ooking I don't they didn't show him if he did I was late I think that was like 94 when he was here hmm yeah I think it was 94 when he came okay it was 93 or 94 yeah anyway it was Cooper was out front Bradshaw was up there chicken was up there Stanton was up there bail was up there Jonathan so maybe say yes warty for a minute anyway it was just packed like you know that that racing was so good and Bale sat back and forth the whole race and just was quiet no all Bradshaw and with a lap and half to go bail just drops the hammer splits as the whoops goes by one guy turns blitzes the next that goes by the other guy and he's gone that was likable I forgot how amazing that guy was when he turned it on its why everyone disliked him because he was so good and he was a little bit reserved also but that guy I can remember so I got hurt in Japan and it was 91 but they wanted all of us because that was a year I'd want to Supercross they wanted all the winners because there's like six different winners that year to go to Bercy it was part of the whole opening ceremony so I went anyway injured so I sat up in the stands and watched all the nights and watching bail I mean the bail Bradshaw I mean you I don't think you could get two different people show and personalities riding style and everything so yeah it's like bail is literally just riding around every inside standing on the pegs Damon I mean like if you separate them and you watch Damon like if it's just single lap times you guys five seconds a lot faster than this guy and every night bail would just just pick him off just pick the spot almost just pick him off and just leave him and eat Damon was just theory that's like random question but because I've I have my feelings on bail but who do you think was the most naturally gifted rider to throw a leg over a bike because you've seen a lot of errors I mean machines probably one of the first guys that would come to mind and then I think bail would be right and you know Jason Lawrence another God that I mean when you would watch that guy ride he would that usually right circles around Dungey and look at dundies Korea yeah yeah I mean he would but I mean you know the mindset and how you approach them how you look at something yes those guys some of those guys just figure that stuff out bail always blew my mind I mean I remember because that was obviously the the era that I started really watching racing I remember was it 92 I think almost every hole shot at the Outdoor Nationals like you said every race I remember I got there and but bail was one of the only people I remember you know when guys were tripling into corners and stuff you know they were breaking going up you slide in the berm and bail was able to triple to the inside break pivot and still jump the jump and you're going well why isn't anyone else doing that and you talk to him and they're like we try impossible don't think we didn't try man like we just could not get it down there like but he was just so he was very good at shortening the track up and still doing all the obstacles yeah you just like I mean another little testing side note but so and I'll probably get in trouble people will hunt me down but so at that time like our bikes were great I mean our Yamaha factory bikes were great but the Honda I think it was right around there 91 or something Honda just had amazing low-end I was through their power valve system and whatnot I remember fighting with Bob Oliver about this bikes make nine thousand horsepower that thing only makes like 11 and I'm like really good horsepower there you know this is all part of my fight and you know this everything that I went through for all those years and and it wasn't until and it was the biggest mistake we got Bradshaw on that bike it was our testing bike from traction testing you know racing didn't buy it and went out to the Yamaha supercross track baked slippery you know weed water it but you know about 11 minutes later it was late again I named could jump everything that he could never jump on his race bike from the inside on the Honda on the Honda and I've ever bought was just flipping out then it actually was it ended up being a good thing because then that helped Bob focus right hey you know the 9,000 horsepower maybe not the ultimate direction we can we can come over here and kind of shape things a little bit different where it's at and how it applies is just as important if not more and the dyno is only you know one little piece of it that's what you know that's also when they probably had to figure out that that the dyno isn't gonna produce a good Supercross engine I mean super-nice you never get to the Maxwells power everything is just straight off the bottom and that's where I think my whole human Dino little son came along because I was helpful I hope in a lot of those little problems that we face were you know it was you know just wrinkled that piece of paper up and this set it aside for now don't throw it away but just set it aside and listen to what I'm saying and and that was part of my argument where what supported my argument nothing only makes me you know like nothing and I'm like yeah but I don't care what it makes you know you can turn the screen off on that Dino just listen to what I'm trying to tell you and then you know it was helped get proved out and I think you see it in a lot of places you know I think Mitch went through a lot of that when Drano came out and you know they they really started you know they're putting up porch and they were starting to do things because they're all scream is lacking bottom and exactly and that's where I think Mitch really started that run of winning almost everything was I think he went through that transition to kind of realized that you know yeah that big peak number is really just it's just it's flexing your ego exactly not really yeah it's fluff and so yeah a lot of that stuff is very interesting that you know I was lucky enough to live through a lot of that through all these years because you know 30-something years the test ride at Yama he saw a lot experienced a lot from both sides from the testing and the racing side so your Supercross win in San Jose was at 91 or 291 it was 91 take us through that night so that night and it's so funny everyone portrays Rick Ryan is the only privateer to ever won a supercross but I was technically a privateer yeah everyone just assumed I was John ha factory because I had the bike I had the box fan I had everything but I had gone back as 90 I had all those injuries I only rode like half the rate half the races that year but so what Yamaha did is it was a Megan Bradshaw like if you looked at a press kit excuse me from that year it was emmagan Bradshaw I wasn't even included in the press kit we forgot to pay but so I mean I got the box van I had the same bike Bradshaw having everything was the same but I had no salary I got a chunk of money to pay Randy Lawrence who is my mechanic then and I still got my flights and hotels done organized through them but it came out of my stipend that I got at the beginning of the year silence guy Randy was working on your bike said yeah one alright so yeah so he went down there and he would I was paying him through my money but he would go down there yeah I was kind of a Keith requirement which makes sense you know you got to be here you know learn how to do this job right do it properly so yeah but so that year again up and down like I had at the end of 1990 because I was hurt most of the year so I was just eager to go race I want a slew of all those Europe races that I won both nights in Geneva beaten bale and machine you know a bunch of guys Brock there's a bunch of faster like a soccer as well Japan yeah I think I did I didn't I never won in Japan but I yeah I did do although we were always kind of had the liquor was always so so always a couple it was two races in our contract every year and one was always on Thanksgiving so we all kind of specially Keith he was like furious always in our car so you know I was kind of on this roll at the end of 1990 because I was determined to kind of get my ride back so to speak and this one CEO like Larry Ward was the guy that won in Europe well that year I I want everything and yeah you know so I come home a little bit this and that go I threw the first race I think I did pretty good maybe fifth or something that Anaheim and yeah maybe had a little problem with the next race will San Diego I think was like race three class second or third lap main event tour Minea I'm just like oh I could I was doing some stupid wheel tap thing that only a couple guys were doing an apparently I was not qualified to be doing my knee up sat at home forever you know it's a little scope and we'll be okay so Randy actually went out on the road followed my box man you know when there with those guys eventually came back I'm like how it's just very I've had to be clunking it and they did another thing at a table so I came back and Oklahoma City so I was like race 10 or 11 I think our series was 14 rounds back then or something so it must been race because well I did Oklahoma San Jose and then LA was the last one so that's a gnarly track come back at - that was daytime and they always made it that was the next year they did the daytime it was at night it was one of the first outdoor night once okay remember that one it was war these last Supercross win and that was when that was the beginning of the you know I was the beneficiary of the chicken Cooper at San Jose well it began the week before in Oklahoma City okay Cooper's backyard and I think he passed chicken clean and then chicken came in the next corner and just took him bolt down yeah but so I was my first race back I think of Panther 11th whatever you know just out of racing shape go to San Jose and have a great practice everything's good now remember it's a funny thing keith mccarty he came walk comes into my box van and says to me he goes if you can go through that whoop section that fast all night you're gonna make a lot of money of course money resident resident with me I'm like okay note to self go through yeah it was really only one whoop section that day leading right where you see a number was it they were big and I was one of the only guys skimming them successfully okay and so whatever and I remember I don't think I qualified out on my heat I think I tangled someone or something I'd to go to the same line I met Larry Brooks and I went added in the same line I want it but anyway little things that went throughout the day and an oak ahora Holly's Japanese guy about killed himself right in front of me and I remember that was something that pops into my memory of that day but so come main event time I'm just ready Leo like any other day and I think I had the track pretty dialed you know it was just I think I was just looking to put my best performance out there you know without going way deep into the psychology of racing I mean we've all done it you crash in the first you're a whole different guy than when you get the holeshot so I think that was my mentality I'm like I'm kind of behind the ball here I need to do something good tonight and Keith told me I'll make a lot of money but so I didn't even get the whole shot you know which is funny because you know that's the whole shot guy I think I was fifth or six and I remember passing Staunton like right away and I'm like okay that's a good sign and yes I got around Jeff and then it was a couple of they I think it was Matassa vets and they're like Larry Ward Jeff Ward and guy Cooper something there's you know that's probably my fifth so I'm like I just got put laps together laugh together well so that's kind of chasing Cooper maybe he was always sort of my nemesis you know kind of from our way you know just trying to keep and he got around Jeff Ward and I'm like oh you know what he won last week you know I'm feeling pretty good I got around Jeff and got around Larry so I got myself in the third and Cooper was just inching away from me a little bit I think Stan was putting some pressure on I was having to do some protective lines I'm like no I want to stay with coop so then I kind of broke free from Jeff again you know just settle down and and I can just remember lap after lap I'm like because I'd gotten a podium in 88 my first real Supercross year LA Coliseum I got a podium that that night you know it would be great to podium so I just kept focusing on the back of Cooper's Jersey every lap over the big triple then there was a double into a bowl turn so when I was in the air and the triple I could see Cooper in the bowl turn well then I could start seeing chicken and I'm like okay so we were kind of both catching chicken I'm like all right all right and it was funny because the thought crossed my mind I thought oh this is going to be good I'm gonna pick up one more spot I'm like yeah second would be great and it's the silly things you think about when you're racing oh yeah you know on the edge of risking your life but I'm like oh this could really you know play into my favor so going round around and so I come over I get the white flag and it was like a tunnel so the finish line jump was the over partner and so the guys got the white flag and I see him throw the yellow up real quick and so I come over and I didn't really know that there was two bikes down I just I just saw someone down I'm like I finally happened so I'm like yeah come through this next little section while the soon after was that triple under the other thing so I hit that triple expecting to see because for the last three laps like I see them both in there there was nobody in that ball turn and you talk about crapping your pants I'm like what was anybody close to you about so here's the thing I could tell Stanton's engine use knew who Stanton was versus Bradshaw so I'm like yeah I'm still feeling pretty good well so I go over that triple and I go into the corner and I could hear a daemon engine I'm like oh that's Damon that's not Stanton you know so now I'm a little bit of a panic cuz I've only got four straightaways to go to the finish so sure enough and if you watch the tape Damon just like over jumps this obstacle and just stuff Stanton they both almost miss the under for the tunnel because they just took stance so wide so then the next little section it's clearly Damon so then I'm like puckered up solid because I'm just like oh no you know this guy so when we go into the whoop section well I overcommitted in it was a double and then the whoops and so I over jump the double I came in kind of popped did a little something goofy and I could hear next to me no like no cuz that was the finish line right there and I mean I beat him by oh oh I didn't know is that close that's a lie and it's so I was just like oh my gosh I was just in shock I'm like okay that was a checkered right I am supposed to stop and uh and it was just one of those really really obviously cool nights everything you know Damon was so happy for me I remember we went to like this danny's or Cocos or something you know two in the morning after all the celebrations and he freaking calls Marsha his mom he's like screaming in the phone you know it's 4:35 morning yeah in Charlotte and so yeah just that whole night was really cool emic won the 125 class oh yeah so like there's three of us and we went one two and one so that was a pretty good sweep for the Ahly boys that isn't that one of the first time she drank alcohol oh well there's a funny story that because as much as I'd like you to believe that was my first time nope all the-- that's where you might have heard this story or maybe twisted but so paul he told me he was mr. nothing strangers if you win a supercross i'll drink a beer so that was whatever may 15th was san jose so mammoths coming up right so Paul we always went to mammoth so Paul's up there and so we got you know all your buddies and we're in Whiskey Creek and we're just hanging out now Paul you know it's about you gotta you know pay your dues go so of course I didn't even know this at the time so my buddy goes and buys him a beer you know takes a little drink off it and then puts a shot in it and we're like well Paul never know so he drank that whole beard he felt so ill cuz I he was whiskey capped it off but yeah so that was I was it was a great night I mean obviously just everything you know my mom didn't go to very many races she drove down there's a lot of cool things that came in a good time with you Yamaha secured me you know because then I had 92 and 93 I had a two year deal after that and so yeah it was just it was a at the right time for me and I remember that being and I'm sure you guys have had these same races that seemingly was an easy race just being in the right frame of mind like it was even worried about Stanton so much and I'm here this guy was the Supercross champ before and I'm like okay I got this the next week was the last race at LA and so of course I'm like well I have to do something great I rode the absolute wheels off perfect 20 laps and I got fifth yes just like it's like a better race I felt at least I took more risks and nearly crashed more times but you know just how things just but obviously I was in the right place at the right time just you know Daymond got stuck in the gate that night so he came from last to get second you know on a track I think it was Morocco or somebody in a post-racial South they're young then and somebody put that together where you're Damon past nineteen yeah well it's cool that you got your name in the record book yeah those don't come easy yeah yeah I'm saying as cool as your whole career was that's just neat to have one of those on your resume funny thing you know because Paul and I were pretty tight Paul Theed and since I wasn't yamaha guy they never ran away mad so Paul Thiry ran away mad and he put that in there like percentage of people that race and not this level or entries and all that yeah like point oo something that ever won a Supercross yeah that was a cool little ad and he put together for me okay let's take a quick break this is your toilet designs timeout 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worked for you in 93 so he worked for me 91 92 93 okay so in 94 you must have done something different well I was not I was off the race team okay and at that point on my this job or duties as a test rider just went to the roof because they were always having to share me okay well kind of across the two departments testing and racing and so I still raced a fair amount but just pick and choose cuz yeah I was full time I was testing like non-stop so Randy needed a job he got kind of let go and Jimmy he was friends with Jimmy button-button put us together because I needed a mechanic and so I came out and lived with Randy and he was working for me and we would mountain biking with you and watched his embrace and stuff but I'd never met him like hey cool he's gonna go with us so we did you know the San Juan Trail they were take a highway get on the west side of it yeah there's a trail that goes from our fire station to cocktail Rock a lot of people still write it so we take off and Doug's just gone he disappears he's like disappears from us you know my guy was gonna rap with us you know so we come around this bed I don't know 20 minutes up and he's squatting in the middle of the trail and like always waiting for us cool and by the time we get to that point he's like jumping on his bike and taking off and he's giggling and laughing I'm like huh oh is he laughing at us what's happening you know we get to where he was and there's just a huge poop in the with us on that ride or one of those guys I was always I think I was always a competition with him and so I thought I would just bury him on the trail and then leave him a little gift all right this guy's all right all right so what I want to pick your brain are you mentioned a little bit kind of just over the years working on your own stuff and and all the testing you had to kind of do but what what gives you that feel for the little changes how did you get so good you know I think I came into it with some amount of experience and knowledge and then it's working within those kind of that framework of a lot of smart people around you just a lot of physical time on the bike a lot of changes and then you know understanding just through that whole process your knowledge grow yeah but I think we gave me kind of a leg up from the very very beginning is I was very mechanical you know I grew up my dad was drag racer we always had cars engines welders I mean I could weld at a very young age and I just I think I had a little bit of uh you know a heightened knowledge of mechanics kind of what what they did and and so that that helped me a lot as things started to get to where my experience for my beliefs or were backed up with some sound information that came back through cuz you know especially under the Shidler era you know he was pretty gnarly and pretty strict and he wouldn't tell you anything just go ride that and hey let's go ride that and here's an evaluation sheet and he wouldn't let on to anything so you were pretty much just in the dark just blind and but to me that was a great experience because he taught me so much the wise in the house and all that that it really it has expanded my abilities in my horizons which opened so many other doors you know I was a dunlop test rider for probably 15 or more years and I did so much yeah I tried to was helping Mitch with all his pipes and that and bones with suspension you know another thing I wanted to come down when Mitch was here just a heckle is some of those funny stories but that would go off-road we're gonna have Mitch on for his own show cuz that was mostly focused on stories with he and Troy so when we have his show off to gr ou let me know cuz all sit right there the whole time but so yeah just I I think I kind of came into it with some experience and knowledge and then I was always a hard worker you know I mean I was never afraid of a long day so I think that again opened some doors and gave me opportunities that maybe yeah another guy wouldn't have had so well you mentioned that earlier you're not you we weren't afraid to stay until sundown trying little parts and I think a lot of guys get and myself included I would get frustrated like okay I mean I feel like we've made as much progress we're gonna make like I want to see big improvements or big you know or or go backwards yeah backwards so we can keep a direction but like when it's just little miniscule changes you're like I think maybe I don't know and yeah I hate that stuff those days for those are tough days for sure you trying to go on lap times but the tracks change in you don't know if it's well the traction is good now it was worse earlier was the track changing like I don't know yeah we pretty much put the kibosh on all the lap times because they the Japanese would you know you're in the final meeting after two weeks of hell and then they'll oh yeah you know but you were on this one track on this one and you're like dude you know we had long lunch the track was way over watered you know the one that I'm saying is good might not have represented with lap time it just it was a fight and we finally I just took all that stuff away you know we have a lot more data acquisition so we can now understand a straightaway speed or you know with very sophisticated stuff with strain gauges and things we're looking at frame flex and there's just a lot that we can benefit through a bench test sort of a mentality but it's still it all boils down to the riders feeling and I think that's why it's very important to get good guys on your side you know where they're not just goofy you know he was once a pro he must know cuz that's far from terrible to us right well it's an acquired skill or a learned skill just like anything else yeah and in fact I was actually really impressed there's a young kid who's a team green guy coming up and his agent called and said would he ask Lee said would you and grant be willing to go out with them and kind of help him kind of teach him a little bit about how to tests you know maybe go with bones and you guys could work on suspension so I was like I've never been asked that but that's that's actually really sharp you know and that's something guys should be doing because being able to say hey it's doing this and then learn why why is it having that condition what is the way to fix it so it if it happens we raise you don't know how to fix it if you got bones or someone with sis you've gotta be about blame what it's doing or what you wanted to do what you don't like they're small enough to should be small enough to go well if it's doing that there then I think if we change that jimster yeah blah blah blah but introducing somebody into that system and getting them this - we all go through those paces and hear what the other people with all that experience have to say I think that's valuable value missing and a lot of these young riders yeah I mean you hear it from team managers over and over it takes guys two three four years before they're able to give really - really yeah dissect it have you ever dealt with engineers who wouldn't listen I know from Suzuki days like and I did some endurance testing with Kawasaki and some stuff with Suzuki and you know Chris wheeler and rich Taylor and those guys over there we've shared stories about how even a pre-production bike you can have in here like this is great oh man this is gonna be so good next year people are gonna love it and then it goes back to Japan and gets put into production and it comes back and it's like that's not the no it's it's true and I think there's so many things that the average person doesn't understand about how that process happens and it is there's so many people under so much pressure from time line to a cost to a durability or the legal team gets in there and there's just so many things that's a lot of hurdles and a lot of things to line up perfectly and get parts yeah to get that end result just how you know you want it and or like you say things go back and then come back again and you're like well what happened and it's funny we got an old cut of a thing that we've rehashed a million times but we had it was a break or something on a bike many many years ago and it went away and we were trying to improve the brakes right it came back and were like I just doesn't seem as good as it was the last time and you know then through some of these experiences we we learned to hang on to the old stuff no no you can't have that back make another one at home but we're gonna keep this so we have a baseline when you come back so there's a break however the conversation went there getting a lot of language barriers mixed in there but the guy oh you know same same was all we could get out of this Japanese engine all same same somebody's like okay good not so good not so good good not so good and we all kind of had a laugh at the end of the day but yeah they had changed something it was who knows what yeah a Pat material a cost of vendor change I mean there's just so many little things that you would think you know that shouldn't matter but it does yeah well and then at the end of the day when you mentioned to those Yamaha Honda Kawasaki Suzuki they're such big companies like you said you've got legal team you've got cost you've got endurance which ties in with illegal you've got all of these different things now you got a TM those guys were so small for the longest time they didn't have to really worry about that and they were able to just make these massive improvements and I think they're getting to a point where it's big enough that it's getting a little more cumbersome for them yeah and it just happens you know no you can't pick on anyone you know you just a reality exactly they enjoyed some of those perks for a long time and I think you know the the other side of it they're experiencing now is well you know the legal side and all that sort of stuff and it is you know everyone's trying to do their best job but yeah I mean it's it's a funny story about homologation you know it's we were always so frustrated that we couldn't get our bikes you know we're KTM was able to get them through mmm and it's like he you don't know cuz I don't know the backstory back there but you're from an end-user or Curt lied he totally straight-up lied because well and the things that we would run some of their bikes through our homologation standards because this is what was taught to us by the people that put these requirements forward like I think that's never come when you are close to passing how is it that you know but it's it's almost comes back into them the whole political thing where you know one hand washes yeah and then all of a sudden things happen and you go happen so yeah there's so many restrictions and so many little you know loopholes and things within the whole system that it is I remember I think was been a lot of gray area and I can remember I think it was lamps and maybe Kehoe those guys when that first aluminum Honda you know they said oh they left Japan and that thing was great and then it shows up here and it was almost unrideable and another one of those things oh we had to change that video durability a weld length or even a temperature it's um something that just through the whole thing sideways but it happens you know all sudden you get this happens and then that chain reacts over here by the time you got it fixed it's you know same same there's something that drives me bananas I know it's just a legal thing the way they're vulcanizing the grips out of the throttle tubes now I just throw the wrong tube away order new throttle tube it's crazy or the the backfire screen on the filter cages same thing they're melding it into the plastic funny story I was trying to take Suzuki was the first ones to vulcanize the thing and I remember trying to cut one of those things off and I laid my finger okay I to go get stitches all like bang it's after that yeah I just throw the thing away but it is you get legal involved and it's crazy and I mean it's absolutely crazy I remember I got a deposition for a situation I won't even go into it because it was long and ugly and it's gone now but it's just like I go in and I sit down and they started asking me this question luckily I must have answered enough that I didn't have to actually go on sit in court but you just going are you kidding me this is the line this is how you're approaching this situation you're like how the hell did we get here these guys are all riding some dirt bikes and something happened and now you're tying it back to yeah the moon it's just like these guys have but they're paid a lot of money to win a case and then that's where so that's what I was I was you know we had it was all Yamaha lawyers but they were asking me as if they were the the prosecutor side and I'm just like so you were expert witness exactly and so there but however I didn't actually have to go and the court but yeah I was maybe helpful maybe not out of L but I mean just the way they were presenting everything in the way the line of questions on this like yeah I'm glad I'm not in that compression I wish that there was a law that the judges or courts could use that just says this is this is frivolous you know come like a common sense law you went riding you're asking for a long signed a waiver that said this is dangerous you crash and you hurt yourself and now you're suing the track and the manufacturer of the bike and at the dealer dealer bandits you saw that wrong I mean it come on you know right it's insane because they brought their lip on a hot cup of coffee because it didn't say the coffee was I think we talked about this off air but you know it's like the litigation in our country it's just it's cancerous it's it's so bad that's a good way to put it I got a deposition to go and as my company DRD it was like 9 times removed but they still came back to you and I had to pay to get out of it I got a hire a lawyer yes I got to do that I got to present this whole thing it's like I am so not even connected to this but you can't just say I'm not connected you have to legally go through the process to prove that you're not connected but it's it's the same thing I mean it was on down this was the situation I mean you looked at a family tree I'm like way over here has my company but somehow I was attached to this situation you're going they try to bring anyone in with them and just never settle yeah I not even a product on this vehicle that was involved in this issue no not one part but I think passed by that vehicle one time one weird Glen Helen I mean it was almost that removed that it was like I think you were there that day there for you wait you have a couple we're suing you yes exactly you have a company and you have some assets oh well he's insured up to two million so we're gonna go for too many yeah that way he gets something I get something we're good yep we figure even if a manufacturer has to settle for a couple hundred grand which would be pretty common how many bikes they gotta sell just to make that up and then to pay the lawyer I mean think about full Yamaha yeah all Rhino thing remember that I mean they would just up to the eyeballs and lawsuits and yeah they killed that whole line you know they had to rerelease it under a different name it was that bad and I could remember watching TV and you know it was it was almost like the asbestos commercial but it was we were like can you imagine in like in like 2030 so 10 years from their TV commercials will you overly expose the Lysol disinfectant during the 20 20 grown a virus exactly you may be eligible for compensation that's what it'll be yeah hand sanitizer killing everyone what are some of the best and works worst bites you erased or tested hmm that's a did you own 81 Yamaha sounds like the 77 yo the first year the 125 water-cooled that duck knows looking yeah that wasn't bad my problem that I had with it was I was the unfortunate recipient of poorest cases so these cases you would pressure test that engine cold held no problem but as soon as it got hot that the cases would leak then it would get lean and it would cease and I struggled with that thing I finally we figured it out through a friend a you ever pressure tested it hot and then we ended up kind of a boxing back there fixing a video those there were some things but you know it's so funny there's so many and I get questions similar this all the time you know just people in the track or whatever oh yeah you know I had this bike or that bike or whatever and people have to pick on certain bikes but it's a little bit like what I was saying with that Honda that went away pretty and it came back well yeah it would might have been only one little thing that you know but then everyone wants to jump on that bandwagon and turn it into the worst thing that was ever sold and then you know you get these these situations but so for me I never really had a bad experience with anything testing there were certain items you know engine design or that new suspension component or things like that or some new chassis you know like aluminum Kassie's were very difficult in the beginning you know I think we almost I want to say everyone gets a little bit lucky you know because and my point - that would be so Honda for many years had like the best you know everyone talks about oh eight Honda 450 as being one of the best chassis so we were always convinced they know something they know something but what I think it was it's just through a lot of hours and a lot of testing they kind of got there because then they released the oh nine it was pretty bad thank God they don't know something that we they were just through peer hard work and a little bit of luck along the way so you know we've all experienced that you know we get these awesome all-new chassis with all the knowledge we've had and here we go we're gonna take a giant step forward and then we're like nothing's horrible you know what have you done it and then you go back and you know you spin circles and you spend a lot of time and money and you know you're back to bleeding and your hands are raw and you're like okay we got it - almost as good as last year's bike you know so many of those situations just from motor to chassis to you know a new fork whatever it is so we've I have experienced a lot of that stuff and it just it proves to me that it's much engineering behind it without all the massage that happens post engineering here it's like it's like a dyno chart right like it kind of it'll tell you one thing but you've got to get track feedback and adjust according to that it's the same thing with any of those new chassis --zz well according to the math this should be great like like Honda when they came out with the 97 it was terrible and it took him until oh wait to have it really really one of the best yeah it was one of the worst and it finally became one of the best but it took him almost a decade to get there because and you know it's I could go off and do a million different time today were already four years down the road with the changes or three years down the road a lot of that you know by the time this thing hits the market and you get the markets feedback you're already way way down the road on the next thing so that's why sometimes it takes two renditions or revelation you know whatever whole design groups to fix that problem that just now came out because you know your test riders they get beat down you know this is a lot of situations that everyone is it acceptable that was always my favorite favorite term is it acceptable is it cold beer involved that I'll say it's acceptable so then you get to those situations and then it might be but then also in public perception and then you know you get a bunch of magazines picking on something and then before you know it it might be that much a problem they turn into that much of a product Cena so yeah I mean so those are some of the big challenges that I just face I call that the wallpaper theory where if you're off just a little bit at the corner there by the time you get to here it's like yeah you know but we had something that we had I remember at Pro Circuit from 2005 to 2006 on the 250f it went from a steel frame to the lumen enflame and we were just struggling because it was like he talked about the aluminum frames just had different characteristics of the field and and was struggling to get comfortable and I'm and I'll have to check but I think bones was the one that said let's try this and what I came down to is the 450 team was struggling the factory team and we were kind of struggling and I'm pretty sure was bones and he realized that there was a little difference in the swing arms and somehow he we got a full 50 swing arm and that made a huge difference and then the 450 right team riders try to 250 swing arm and loved it and we ended up desire I ended up doing a big math switcheroo for between the 5 mg the person switching swing arms but and yeah 50 swing arm the guy's a thing of Stewart and might have been burner as well forget it'll fit let's burn anyway they like the 250 swing arm and we like the 450 swing arm and that's what we pretty much run because what happens especially in chassis it's it's a harmonious you know it's like a instrument if you and that's why all these people are all under these motors you know thicker thinner yeah but truly if some of it doesn't make any difference but if you're on the cusp of something flexing too much or being too stiff you can make some little adjustment and now a sudden that thing that's what room is yeah hey do you have any idea how many motorcycles you've ridden mmm I remember I think it was Mike healing out of Paris this was some years back maybe 10 years ago he still helped me one day I was just out there you know Mike's stupid yeah yeah I probably did a thousand laughs that day alone but he goes have you ever added up how many laps you've done in your life that I was thinking about that last night I was thinking do Bach has to be the guy who's done more laps on a motocross track than I think anybody in the history like their whole life again I'm going backwards now so hopefully I'm not jumping ahead okay okay that's that's all right so it's funny dustin Nelson and I we're doing a lot of Yamaha testing and we happen to do we had some durability testing on top of our normal production stuff but we all want to go around a national so we have the Glen Helen national and Hangtown national we rode I think it was 23 days in a row we counted so 23 days in a row and some of those were testing or I mean durability days so you know those were ours now you know so it would be interesting to go back and try and do the math on just that 23 day period she are doing two national so I did Hangtown her Glen Helen and hang town in there and I was up Monday morning riding again and I was riding Friday till I got on the plane then I wrote some press or something on Saturday and Ray said but those kinds of chunks you don't you just going through the motions okay this person needs me to do that but I wanted to do that and also you just and that was Dustin and I said now cuz we both kind of cooked it was funny because he goes because we all had to answer to Scheidler and I had done something oh no it was Dustin he off-track blew up a hay bale you know put his nuts up in his throat the whole thing but he's gone if I gotta stay out here you know cuz Scheidler will ream my ass well I had done something also I think I had folded a brake pedal or I'd done something as well and he goes I saw you in the infield so then that was like my Charlie was always a hard-ass he did come on what are you guys doing you know you better do this than that but yeah I don't know hi I bet it wouldn't be very many people that had done more laps around a motocross track than I have because I've I've never had that oh yeah I stopped for this many years or that many years you know between Yamaha you know my own company and just done long time and you name it I was riding five plus days a week for many many many many years yeah and still racing on the weekends yeah yeah and I was that's the butler used to just go you know I would send him even today you know I sent him a Technos I worked like you know 12 hour days seven days a week because I'm just that's my personality and and I'll send him a picture from up in the desert ride with my kid and he's like are you crazy you know you worked all week it's nicer when you know he knew I would test all week with him and that's another picture me up at some desert track with my kid riding on the weekend it's like that's crazy that is still impressive because I don't think I could just do that many laughs I think eventually I'd just be like so if you had to pick a favorite race bike what would it be favorite race bike I would say our bikes from and I'll kind of go to stroking her four-stroke rare but our bikes in like 91 92 that era of our yz250 s those bikes were just unbelievable you know I mean obviously I was very involved with it so I was very happy with it and I I think the other riders Damon liked his blackening and neglect his but those were some of our best bikes I think it was him it was even 92 nose 93 I think when Yamaha came out they knew why is he 80 I remember I rode the old Y Z 80 the 91 with the forks were about that thick I mean they would flex going down the start straight yeah and I remember I end up being a deal with Honda and as I switched everyone got their new Yamaha I remember they were just next level and I was so pissed I'm like I wrote that piece of every privateer was on a Yamaha yeah it's 93 yeah 93 was good the production the production stuff was very good you know obviously when the four strokes came along I actually liked the 426 so 2000-2001 those bikes is so well same in 2002 but those blanks were really really good good for the time yeah I was just it was unreal because of 98 and 99 for hundreds yeah a little heavy little slow you know it was just buy what you want and and just that 426 motor wasn't enough better a little bit lighter but those were really good bikes like I went to Canada and raced that their Canadian championship in 2000 and I remember Dave gallon just he was blown away he's like what don't you need this don't you want that don't you and if we were pretty much a standard bike and you know our chip on that thing and he's even like a tire and he's like well don't you ever going to Calgary I think it was like round three but our tire was a bit rounded and he's like oh we got to put a new tire on yeah it's a cement gate you know I want that little bit of a roundness you know a little more surface area and he's like he couldn't understand that and then yeah hole shot at both Moto's he's like okay yeah they used to make my stomach stick like when you put a new tire on them and before the parade lap bites just smoke it try to wear that edge off the parade lap come back burn it again I mean you're ruining it before you even take I think those bikes were good and I one of the things that was a really big point to me and I think grant can attest to this because I think he was a beneficiary of winning an AMA a Tour title was one you got to ride the I think believers o eight bike partway through the year again this harmonious instrument that we're tuning that wasn't very many changes but luck or just pure you know time and automation just found the right combination and that that was a a eight Y Z 450 was very good because I was not a big fan of three or four if I thought we took some big steps backwards and then finally we gained some knowledge and just few pure just time and effort out at the track reminds me the keith mccarty would not flirt with the gray area because I remember we stayed back off to Red Bud because I was getting frustrated just not getting the feeling I wanted and he said well we're gonna have the first Oh 8 bike that we've got our hands on so we're gonna have it there for you and give it a shot so they ran to the track left a rough road both bikes back back back back and every time was quicker on the o8 which was the chassis was was the Oh 8 but they it was mostly like Oh seven components so it was yeah and every time it's quicker on that bike and I'm like I gotta race it I'm like can i race it this weekend he's like no we don't even have bikes in the country and I'm like ok I know other people that have said they had bags in the country they did it let's make it work and he was like no we don't work like that a Yamaha I said I've written for a few teams in this gray area they go through it not here I'm like come on there's nothing worse than riding a bike and going I love it and then they go well we're gonna have to wait about three rounds before you're allowed to ride it but yeah I mean they're they were very very by-the-book and by the rule and I was like just tell him you got 400 they can't count no it's gonna check but yes I think you went on to win several races right there at the end yeah yeah so that was it really watch because yeah I think I'd bitched enough and then let me just see this kid actually knows what he's talking about yeah what can you tell me there's a real weird dynamic on the current Yamaha 450 we're in stock trim you go to shootout so you give it two magazines and I go those bikes awesome it's great winning shootouts all the places I mean for last several years it's winning both bikes mm-hmm the transition to the professional race team for whatever reason is not seem to be jiving with that yeah and even when you want I thought well maybe it's just the riders but when I watch the bike it looks like they struggle in big whoops they struggle in certain track conditions I'm less in tune with what's going on these days and yeah I don't want to pick on anyone just for the sake of picking on them but a lot of times in day I'll just tell you from my experience from the top down like this all the management how things get you know laid out and test it and just everything goes in some fashion and sometimes things can go backwards you know and it's it's just said we've all experienced that regardless of the color of the company or whatever and even riders yeah you get certain riders that don't agree with a bike that it doesn't so I don't know how much of that applies to this situation but you do see it I think the 250 team you know I know that that star program is very solid you know maybe it's Bobby is the driving factor I don't know but I think they've put a lot of the pieces together I think there's a lot of reasons when you go to look at it yeah and I think those are the things regardless of the color I think that management from the top down and how they you know just the whole daily attitude just how people approach and because you know we're all riders we're all fickle little you know one blue sock one red sock away from not winning a race it's it's almost that through the whole system you know if this guy believes that he's on the best stuff and it's got to be some proof to the pudding you know you can't just you know pick easy dust and convince a guy you know hypnotize him or whatever he's got to believe in that program yeah and so I think and again not really picking on an individual here but I think that the AMA ha 450 program lacks that magic through whatever little successes or you know just the things going right enough to start to believe I mean you know I was very disappointed that the racing stopped because I think plus injure just threw something develop man he was exactly because we all know fickle riders can be and I think you know it's it's you've got to believe really yeah and if you don't believe that what's doubt is the difference of a podium or 10th this year I mean this year is critical so I don't think the bikes not missing anything really I mean look at bar shoes had some really really good success in not even in the mud you know it got second and the Leone one yeah so he's showing that you know despite of maybe some of the little Nick's in the pro program I think there is something there so I think it's just one of those things they've got to continue you know you got a ride on your successes and you know everyone's got to be convinced that that success is there to have you know it's it's it's a very very they they they they couldn't win anything for a while and then you know if you go look at the last five six years there they've been the bike to beat the TV yeah I like the new Mitch and I think 450 like you said I mean it's just I don't think any it also hasn't been enough guys that have been there long enough if you look they were with the LNM team for a while and outsource this and jgr you know what I mean I think when you go home like you say when you piece it back there hasn't been the solid Pro gets pulled out of factory racing supplied them worked with them had engineers working with their engineers who work with their you know and I but wouldn't you say how well it does I think it's a great consumer bike because when you go to a track and you go right it's got an incredible power the bike will last forever low maintenance it doesn't do anything bad it does everything pretty good in my opinion but at a supercross level you know with that motor and everything I think on paper when you say hey let's have all the weight in the middle and down low it's good but when you're like you said through whoops and you got you know that the gyro and the movement back and forth I think it just makes things that the motion a little more exaggerated and I think some of the riders it's just hard find ways that medium balance a lot of riders you know that I've talked to the factory guys I think they just find that they get more a little more going weight being transferred from the front to the rear and at certain tracks that hurts him and in other places the bikes incredible but I think it's a great consumer bike even the 20/20 a lot of people that rode the previous box it 2020 was noticeably better yeah that was even you know like you know when someone's off the record not being paid to said he's like it's definitely a better foundation for me yeah you could see him making there's little chips and I think his riding was better than his results was showing and then I got cut off yeah well and again it comes a little bit you know for for some years there I called it kind of the the the James Stewart situation because well because everyone was so quick to jump on nobody wanted to admit that James you know or recognize that he had crashed on everybody ever rode you know and they he didn't crash as much at certain times but I think that that really put a big black eye on the wise e450 yeah and this you know new style engine and and all that and so I think that carried for a long time I had a funny situation where I went supported Yamaha uh I can't remember the magazine and I had one rider that was afraid to ride the bike he goes oh you know I was kind of concerned and this was the first year James was back on the Suzuki and so I tried to explain to him I said yeah you know it's been there kind of a tough thing to dig your way out of because you know that everyone talks and everyone loves to jump on that bandwagon you know right or wrong you know they want to sound like they know cuz that other guy said it too and have you in it oh no no but but he's only that's exactly that and you know and thank God you know unfortunately James was falling off that Suzuki you know looked at standing and then fell off that and you know it took some years but that rider at the end of the day he said oh I forget whatever bike was truly the best that year this is probably Rigaud or something he picked that one first but he picked the Yamaha second over several other bikes I had things actually pretty good but it just it's it lends to you know people want to believe what they want to believe and they don't even you know and it goes back to the Schuyler days you know it was the best thing we did is full blind get on it I don't care what color what what you know about it forget all that and you know fill out my paper yeah I don't think enough of that goes on anymore I think everyone kana they don't know so they just want to repeat what somebody else says and then that that gets a lot of things into a lot of trouble but back to account of that whole transition from production to racing and I think there is many little incremental things that need to happen for success because you know it's like Yamaha star racing it's not like MIT's decided I'm just gonna do a lousy job with my bike what happened is they just gotten a little more strength and now all of a sudden the momentum goes this way same thing you know just like you guys both pointed out that Yamaha 450 team has been such a hodgepodge kind of it just hasn't had that consistency going down the same road it's like you window dead-end all right let's get ah no no that didn't alright let's try this I think you know I've seen especially the 20/20 being a better baseline it's helped everyone go in the right direction but you know it it's unfortunate that the racing stopped because I was saying plus and you have some very good even if it's only a heat race or something you can yeah exactly the confidence start coming back and we all know as riders that's every that's everything yeah so so obviously there's always little chassis improvements to make in here here and there but have we kind of hit a limit on four-stroke engine technology no that's bearable in this sport I mean there's pneumatic valves there are we gonna ever see that kind of stuff or have we can't think cost will limit it you know because that's the unfortunate side that just from all that I know and all that I see it makes a difference I mean a few yen here there well you know not this year this you know the budget and everything it's all got a fin in this nice little package so I think you know we've seen big jumps you know I mean there was this brakes a while ago and you know fuel injection and foresters folks yeah upside down for there's a lot of things that have come along but III don't see there being a technological limit but I think financially the bikes are starting to get put it not really starting but they've been expensive now for a handful of years and I think that's going to slow things down a little bit because just like you say pneumatic valves and you know bearings and things like grant was talking I mean all that's there but who really wants to pay that ticket when you know you're just throwing it your truck and going out and enjoying with your body I know I think they're definitely good enough for that I think the technology has allowed what almost getting back to the beginning of our conversation which was potentially updated two strokes where you can use less CC less moving parts means less maintenance less cost cost down I think the technology is gonna allow things that like two strokes it may be like ah that's all technology wait a minute with this new technology combined with that I think you could see bikes with smaller CC just look what happened with cause big v6 then big v8s and now everything's gone back smaller smaller smaller but they're able to get more out of a smaller block I I think you might see that happening in our sport smaller CC maybe less some moving parts but still producing the same sort of experience or ride yeah maybe we need to just go to the manufacturers they have this idea for an engine it's half the size it's like don't be a dick to the consumer so tell us how dr. D began as a business what what brought that on so that's kind of a whole little short very fairly short turn of events and I apologize if I throw anyone under the bus but obviously I'm test rather been a test rider you know and so I was on the very beginning of the whole four-stroke revolution you know I understood I went through all the you know different renovations and this things that went along with developing that bike so I learned a new you know feeling and all that well so right around that time yeah longtime friend Mitch and you know he told me those things will never be race bikes their trail bikes they'll never be race bikes okay well you know my experience kind of would say different but I'll let you think that for now he was totally against Forester yeah and then you know Tom white at White Brothers I don't care what it is you know its chrome its carbon I just I'm gonna sell it you know so that was his approach to everything so you know he hired me to race the first year of the 98 400 you know for struck national some of those thunder bikes here yeah sound under all that stuff spot to right ratios with you yep yeah so it's but and I where the teammates on that that also there for a while well he was the he was the counterpart he was the the who surberg guy yeah he was trying to beat us and you know he was fighting on that that day I think the engine and that bike probably weighed more than my whole bike Tom Owen trying to take one out if he's like four people but yeah technology and the evolution of the whole thing but so at that time I really started running into a lot of walls you know I'm trying to help Mitch and you know he's just like yeah whatever cuz I was helping him with all two strokes does everything he needs to sorry you know whatever whatever and the white brothers they're just a selling company you know they didn't really they just wanted to build it and chrome it and put it to box and so and I was trying we were trying to do some Supercross as then as well and I was just out tests all week and then I would get to a race and they'd have you know the little discs yeah super trap system yeah yeah I mean those were horrible for any kind of response and all that and it looked good on the dyno though but they had that bought that pipe would be on my bike I'm like why do we spend all week testing with just a regular you know a little exit tip and that's what we sell so there was just a lot of frustration going on and so I came home one night and I'm talking to my wife and I'm gone man this is killing me you know I I know how to help all these people but they're there me to help him but then they don't listen to what I'm saying and so she turns to me she goes why don't you do it yourself once you start your own company and I'm like okay anyway what's for dinner you know I just literally blew it off and then that's the next week I think I came home when I was like man you know this snacks I was really struggling trying to race some super crosses and dealing with these guys and white brothers so she said it again she goes you know all the stuff you've done it you know this is kind of what you're good at is developing and tweaking and making things good and I'm like hmm so then I went to Mitch and I said hey Mitch I'm you know kind of want to start this thing and I want to do this and he's like yeah he's funny there's what he said he goes yeah I'll help you because you'll fail anyway you know he tells me this whole Larry Ross we're story of something somebody's like yes I'll help you cuz you'll be out of business in a year or anyway very matter-of-fact I'm like okay whatever so I went to Tom white know like hey Tom I I'd like to do this can whether you support me would you build it for we don't really build an ad on the obviously paraphrasing and boiling down but basically we don't really build anything we don't know what we're doing so he sprang somewhere else and I'm like he goes but I'll sell it if you make it so anyway through the next couple days Mitch finally agreed he goes okay I'll build it you know you just help me and I think his whole motivation was he knew I would help develop his stuff along the way so that was kind of and so we were off and running you know went down and got a business license and started the company and so yeah it's you know tom was great to me Tom bought everything I could make you know I mean that guy he knew how to sell stuff and that was those were great early early on Mitch was making it and Tom was selling it and everything was great until of course Mitch everybody warned me like yeah Mitch you know he's my body we've been friends for 20 years you know I used to but yeah but kind of the it's not real clear kind of what happened but yeah he just said you're done yeah I can't do this for you anymore but you know as the story from some other people months later was well he figured that you were selling more than he was and now he's pro-circuit here's some old writer guy but you know people believed in me Yamaha kind of you know rolled me out is this guru testing yeah so I just all the pieces were in the right places and so yeah those successes were good but so that was kind of the beginning of it and you know we've definitely had highs and lows and has the industry shifts and all that that yeah it's quite a ride it's a tough industry to make a living in it is so susceptible to every downturn and every you know situation of the market he's one of the toughest industries in the toughest state to do business missions we go way off on this whole California resource-poor I think we both have the bad end of the stick with those but but it's true you know we are so regulated here it really makes it really really difficult we're leading the way for the rest of the country the world the world listen to those guys they'll tell you I make a lot of other stuff for other people as well I yeah you know I've got all the equipment and machines and everything and you know I made kind of a decision five or six years ago that I wasn't gonna chase all the race teams and spend all that money because to me if I got twenty employees doing you know five million dollars a year in sales it's not much different to me doing you know having a quarter of those employees doing a quarter of those sales right I'm making more money and less hassle exactly you know and I it's in one hand you go oh I really want to chase all that again and then the other hand you go you know one I've got a lot of things figured out I make good money I yeah you know I've got a lot of equipment machines and things that people don't have and you know I do I I do find doing a lot of private label and I think Bill Cervera kind of that lesson too you know he's been around forever and did the factory Honda factory once for a while and was very successful with it but I think it's like he realized look I can just not have all that headache sell to my customers I have he doesn't do a lot of marketing he doesn't advertise any magazines he just sort of cruises by what he's doing it's a tough thing you you are there one of those guys or you're one of the other guys you know it's really hard to do that without some other help you know for me you know it's just been myself for many many many years and you know and my employees or whatever but yeah I'm not that big you know let's just dump everything here and go do this and go do that you know I'm a little I guess a little too conservative I like to ya know what's gonna happen probably a little less corporate more hands on I mean yeah my story is and when when I often my eye cancer and came back to racing I ended up teaming up with Jason Lawrence and and those guys and we actually got to do some testing with Doug and it was cool because like I felt like we could speak the same lingo and I would go and try stuff yeah yeah that's what I thought it was going to do and you know but it was cool to work with with Doug for that little period that we had just to go out and and try stuff and see improvements and and you also realized that there's a lot of performance or just adjusting or the powder that can be done with an exhaust even on a four-stroke you know you go they got plenty of power but then you go and your rights I mean you're like wow well that made that bike so much easier to ride or yeah sure you wanted it or you know whatever it may be and that's kind of where I got that nickname human dyno is because I did do very well in all the pipe shootouts because that's where I developed it you know on a standard bike at the local racetrack you know and I owned a dyno but you know I was very good and you know I had a good friend my cooker which free Pryor my 20 magic first yeah you know it's sharp guy there he helped me with all my numbers and he would help make sense not good yeah I just and you tried that and did so well I would end up winning nearly every pipe shootout but I still sold 1/10 of what it because I didn't have all the other things that went along with it but so yeah it is it's a fickle game and especially you know like Grant says the amount of regulation and things that we're all up against just not a lot of those games that you required to play what's hard to go and go okay I'm gonna vest time and money in this Avenue and potentially there could be a law change or state mandated whatever and also the oh I wasted my time because and money irrelevant yeah or I can't sell it yeah and I know one of the things that you know a lot of us within this industry grumble about is when carb came in and kind of took away a lot of those options you know back in the day you know you name the shop and they would sell so many accessories build it into the finance all that sort of stuff and that means we couldn't make stuff fast enough to fill the need and then as soon as that was a big change in my opinion and I've kind of a lot of other share that man that just gutted the industry really not being able to put all those things on and build them into the financing of the the unit hmm so for America but not good enough for California you you and Kurt Nicoll who was our last guest or two two shows ago you guys are kind of like my inspiration because you guys I still see you guys out just moto and I feel like Kurt's maybe faster than he's been in 20 years your body doing like I always wonder how long can I do this before I'm like okay just it hurts too bad well yeah I mean there's cuz there's days when I go to swing my leg over in this hip I'm like oh that hurts you know and I'm thinking what am i doing yeah you know it's I hadn't really thought a whole lot about that and you know I had that big wrecking man all right you know had a it was a pretty big one and I did excited make you think about it but you know from there I was so determined to not let it hold me down then I almost went the other way and you know like raced more and chase the other things and things after that but you know nowadays my kids writing a lot more and my focus has shifted a little bit with him but so I don't do as many races as I used to do but I'm still riding all the time and I feel like if I like I had a new thing that I did at RM kind of beginning of last summer and that kept me off the bike for a while and being off the bike it felt like everything hurt worse you know it's like you get a little bit today I couldn't bicycle or anything with that me and that really will you stop moving body in motion stays in motion so in these last several months I've really enjoyed being able to ride again and mountain bike and do all the things that I have done for the last 40 years but so for me it's funny because I had a conversation with Kurt this was months ago but he said yeah you know I'm afraid to stop because then you know it'll just be dues days gonna start hurting that but so yeah you know I don't really ever I can remember I think it was Davey Coombs I did some farewell thing for me and I didn't even realize that's what the story was going to be titled they just did some story on me and their magazine and then when I came I'm like but so yeah I've never really had a plan to race to a certain age or this isn't it and I'm stopping and none of that you know I just I'm so involved in the sport from every different angle that I just keep doing it because I enjoy it yeah so that's kind of just what keeps you going what I'm sure you get asked this a lot because I do like you know I'm I had this big injury or I'm getting older to a point where like I'm I'm scared to go on tracks like should I just but I miss riding you know and I tell people man get into trail ride and go do just you know you can still ride you don't have to go to a motocross track yeah and ride the main track or whatever but yeah for me it's tough to quit it's it's I see I mix a lot even my kid you know he's a 16 year old pretty fast kid say is he faster than you know yes I don't know when it was it's I think last year we're at Glen Ellyn but he was on him 125 yeah but all you and him were like some yeah yeah back then we were pretty similar well that times changed it's been signs it also happens quickly too it kind of slowly creeped up but yeah he's yeah but my point with that is I think he's got a pretty good perspective of everything like you know we go trail riding it doesn't have to be a track and all that and that's more maybe for me you know Connor when I was milking that knee injury and stuff but he's as happy as can be and to your point there's so much riding to do out there you know that it doesn't have to be pure hardcore moto and I've always been a trail guy I mean way back and that's one of the things you know trying to kind of get other guys to get their program figured out the antics of the Bradshaw's that make you dude we're not even going to the track today we're gonna go to the desert we're gonna go climb Hills we're gonna go just just do fun stuff you know some of that I might be missing in today's sport but I guess ride enjoy what you're doing because you never know when it's gonna get taken away yeah yeah you know you don't know if all of a sudden something just like you're saying in business that all sudden hey now we've decided in the you know great 50th state even though I think it was brought into the Union 46th or something but yeah it's all sudden they're gonna come down with something new that were not gonna be allowed to do won't be long it's won't be long yeah it was funny that there when I bumped into out of kuya maybe it was been a month ago or so you were out there with Bradshaw who was on his way back from the desert and I was shooting shooting videos of some bike or something and so I'm down at the bottom like where you come back up that big hill there's some guys parked right there and they were saying hi to me while I'm waiting and Damon comes by and I go that's Damon Bradshaw they're like what really yeah they're outside and then you combine them all that's dr. des nubuck right there he and then you and then Carter came by while that's dr. DS Sonny look how fast but it was so fun to like they got so excited and I still watching you guys ride like when Damon comes by he looks the same I'm just aggressive and yeah oh he's got this style man yeah I should the top of the bag I got all excited then they were all excited I just doesn't roll off I'm laughing I'm like look at us man yeah it is funny this because that's what I think motorcycles can bring yeah you know it's truly that raw and it's so emotional for so many of us that it's just it is great you know we went to and we watched the Supercross in Arizona and we went to that ACP Arizona cycle park and I and all that and we had so much fun that day you know Damon he's like I said I could borderline bipolar you know he's can be anybody but I think he's grown and matured and mellowed but we just had so much fun riding you know I think Carter was faster than both of us on he's 125 but it didn't matter you know you just get out there and do little sessions and so yeah it's that raw emotion of getting that adrenaline and just trying to do something that's can be so fulfilling even at our age and in our positions it's like you know how it's supposed to feel and so maybe you only get it on half of the turn when you get in turn right like oh yeah that was this good shot at the golf course every time so what about Carter is he gonna is something he wants to pursue or you just kind of for fun we keep it as it's just for fun and you know and I think he wavers from time to time you know he has got his arm broke last year at that track in Arizona actually we were at their big race in December and they that kind of little nick in his armor you know because he he loves doing everything I mean the kid goes to sheep hills and jumps every big jump and you know he's doing all kinds of tricks that the scooter on the other skate parks on us I mean he is a very skilled kid broad skills and I've never put the pressure on yeah we do Loretta's here there but you know he told me he goes dad that track kind of sucks so I think I finally got him off the ruler and a wagon and so that saved you about 15 but so I think he understands that he's not this tenacious gritty whatever it takes I don't care if you know I break my whatever but he's so very good I mean if you watch him ride he's just a very very skilled kid yeah so I think he is a little weird situation right now sixteen so I keep telling him he wants to be an airline pilot so he's gonna start going to catch a flight school and things here he 17 is when you can start applying and get a private pilot's and all that sort of stuff so I think he's gonna pursue that somewhat and I told him if it was me I'd say this is straight I said if it was me I'd shoot for about eight went somewhere when you're 18 we'll go to a national we'll go to hang town or something and he loves two-strokes yeah I gotta go have you have you guys been doing all-star races did you do some last year we did we did or he did I did the one at Southwest a couple years ago with him okay but then he did a few last year and it was funny because it was like he enjoyed one and then the other one is like yeah that wasn't all that great so it's weird you know he went to Unadilla and I think when you get fourth or fifth at Unadilla you know full gate and he's just got they're having fun never been on the track before he just had a good old time and then he went to butts Creek Road around about 15th or something just you know not even a joint it don't lie okay so that kind of stuff sort of reveal shows me that he's he's not that diehard whatever it's gonna be I'm gonna be a moto guy but he enjoys it so I'd love to see him why you know right in national and just because I think he really wants to inside but sort of a net like I did it type thing yeah just see I kind of check that off yeah it was something that because you get wrapped up in the sport you know all his buddies or you know doing this and doing that and so it's easy to think you should but I just totally leave it up to him whatever he wants to do and you know we'll always have bikes and we'll always go to the desert and go trail right at the very least so don't make it a family did he did hang town a couple years ago yes I thought I saw so I got a good start at that one that was one of the ones I did and I hate that track but nice I was like after that race I said I don't think I'm doing anymore these I had he passed me like oh there's Doug's kid and then Rick Ryan's kid passed me and while others are it's kid some rats kid passes me I'm like all right these guys you know that if they do event all-stars maybe I'll sign up yeah well it's so funny because I almost had that impression that that's what they were positioning it as originally they were trying to get some of these but then that failed quickly so now it's just all right get all your yo I think it's need to have both you know if I kick away like he's done some an RV and Mike Brown like yeah yeah when you have some older guys like that and some of those younger kids too well it's really cool for those the guys that have the credentials for some kid that no one knows to come and beat them because everyone goes hey who was that kid or what its name is it kind of puts those that next generation kid on sort of a platform it gives them a place to race yeah in front of the people you know I think that's why I recognized well yeah I think that's one of the things that we've fallen behind a little bit in Europe that they've got proper race series for all these people you know love it or hate it and you know the organization or whatever but at least they've put it there for the kids to go and do and you see that you look at those like it matter Lee that 125 vmx class it was some fast I mean Syria went over and he didn't do that great no you know and he's the fastest guy here obviously conditions and there's some other things but yeah when you and you watch this guys ride they're a little more relaxed in those tougher conditions and you know we get these Mir smooth tracks for six laps and you know loretta's is bumpy but it's still a little flat fields it's different it's too tight and yeah it's nothing where y'all not a real profit but gonna madly on a 125 a gotta know Loretta is I think it's you're comparing to a lot of those kids when they get it to Loretta it's like I'm the big fish in the small pond you know you go to merrily you just like I'm just another entry I was something till I rolled in yeah any suggestions to improve the health of our sport if you could wave a magic wand and chief I can wave a magic wand I would say somehow make a discounted bike you know without all the bells and whistles I think you know can you see it in a lot of the other segments you know maybe watercraft or UTV or you know they do make this thing better target point yeah target price point without having to buy a Chinese piece of exactly there is the ability to find this point yeah not this thing you know that companies out of business can can we not make the two strokes that I mean I think that's I think we can thank you you know like the rent fall bars or whatever just put the old go back to the old steel whatever you can make cheap you know I mean like put some lot of maintenance either yeah you don't have to change the filter every time like maybe every 10 rides or you'd have to leave the chain every time you know that's a lot of the what's happen with bikes they've gotten to a point where if you if you're a guy who's just getting in the sport is you have to write down a freakin checklist you know for a while you have to bleed your folks and to all these others so that's that's that's your day I just think you could make a yz125 what's put electric Starliner the needs electrics thought though but you're gonna Jack the price that the whole concept is to get it's a 125 easy and even yz250 accepts when I've been riding mostly lately kind of prepping for that the two-stroke race remember when they used to be a four-stroke only race as you fall asleep over there darling but say yeah and that thing kicks real easy yeah yeah you know and I think so is there not a is it not a viable option to do I it's tough to get the big companies be find that stuff because hey most of them you know Honda swore they would never have another two-stroke in their lineup and you know County and you know so there's really only for the bigger ones you know the KTM husky and then the Yamaha that still produce a two-stroke but yeah I would like to see just even in the four-stroke and I think it's just within the system it's too difficult to do but yeah if you did like you said steel bars or you know not all the bells there's a lot of money in suspension that comes on these bikes and a lot of times guys change them anyway but even like something that's maybe not adjustable it's just literally a spring in a mechanism you know like minimal but yeah if you if you went back to some of the older units and applied a little bit of our knowledge for the original set up I think you could produce so that because you know if you took five hundred dollars out of the manufacturing level that's a few grand at that thing if you get a nice modern 250 out 450f even still an electric start yeah you know $69.99 instead of $89.99 I think you would I mean it's a big price reduction second percentage yeah is there anything anything you would have changed about your career if you could go back and do it over injuries you know if I could have somehow because always you know immediately after you lay they're gone and I wish I wouldn't rewind just jump back and make a better decision but really just the injuries is which I wish I could have you know skipped a few of those because those key moments in my career I feel like a lot of it was hampered by you know just time off the bike and missing races and all that goes on and not that I had some you know any big major injuries but just enough that man I'm off the bike again and while this one's nagging and on knee or a wrist or whatever but really I don't think I would change much of anything because when I look at my kind of path through life racing I wouldn't say save me but racing definitely turned me into a person that I am now which is I think very different than what I would have been if I never found or anything I mean travel and you know like that says just understanding cultures and meeting people and just seeing how the rest of the world works I wouldn't have had any of those opportunities had I not you know if I would have just had some and nothing against anyone that hasn't had those experiences but I'm just a unique opportunity yeah it makes you just you understand you're more tolerant you just it's you're a whole different animal sense I think exactly because you you have a perspective that a lot of people don't have the chance to have yeah you know what I found too is I appreciate this country and my home and like the things over here the culture here more than I ever would have had it not traveled and like he said I think it's an education you you you'll never get into college no beeping Mo's don't travel to places we've been to and it's crazy some places that I've been to that I like I'm glad that I live that check are you still planning to continue doing like world vets and maybe even going up to Mammoth and yeah all those things are very very fond of those you know mammoths a little bit tough because it's changed so much you know that all the call that's just it's turned to no big money-making machine i I wish we could turn back the clocks to the old days where it was truly just a fun event but I'll still go I haven't gone the last couple of years because uh you know I was traveling the Nationals with that one and AH because always conflict with an that used to be a weekend off but that was day weekend and that the first time if it didn't man with was oh three and then I think from either oh four oh five onwards it's always conflicted yeah yeah our birthdays must be similar I'm June 30th 1717 yeah so it's always because I remember one year and I was in the big hunt for the king of mammoths and all that so the final day of my birthday on the Sunday they bring me a birthday cake on the gate for the main event I'm like if you're gonna bring me something bring me the crown for when I'm king of the mountain but yeah so that that events all you know it's been something dear to my heart I've been going up there for over thirty years but I'll go this year because my one Japanese guy he's staying in Japan and riding for 50 this year okay and so I will go up there my kid will race and all that but I'm just going to go and enjoy the week you know the fishing the mountain biking all the things you know without the strain of tournaments and all that I wish I could just ride like practice and then not even race just so she joined that's kind of what I'm going to do this year you know because I my last year was I guess it would have been 17 now cuz I didn't go 18 19 so yeah I mean I enjoyed it I raced and all that but I think it's gonna be a whole different experience going up there and only worrying about my kid for those couple days but spending the 10 days really enjoying the mountain you know yeah it's not worried about how hurt a couple beers that refer those four in the morning yeah and the world vet it's kind of the same thing the last couple years that I've missed it I've been in Japan so it's this that whole time with them and I don't know what's coming this year you know their whole series is getting pushed back a little because of you know all the health things are going on in the world so yeah I don't know I might be in Japan on that weekend like I have been the last two weekends you know and Curt cuts me a little stipend little money to not show up cuz he's trying to catch up to me entitled yeah I think he's he's got a few few behind that beauty house that I was telling him was so impressed watching you to it Farley Castle a couple years ago on those old yeah we had some good races that year yeah man you were guys were moving it was really fun to watch yeah that was funny probably about that and you know I might have rubbed it in his face a couple times I beat him on his old bow yeah but no I mean it's so funny because current is at first used to scare me you know I mean I would he would come and do the Vette race every once in a while but I think he was still doing all the nitrous circus stuff and yeah he wasn't that committed and it wasn't much of a competitor but yeah but he would just like kind of stare at me on the podium we're gonna kill me but over the years you know going and doing far away and just seeing him ray you know he's actually he's a great guy and yeah you know we we have a surface but once you get to know we did we have a good time now and I think it's it's become what I would consider a friend that you know we have that made through respectively we've been on each end of the scale and you know we we know the lives we beat sled and so it's it's it's all good you know we have a great time racing and yeah so hopefully if my schedule permits I'll be out at Glen Helen in November and night add a few more to my column and robbed him of a few and his call and the what the 2-stroke World Championships if that's going on you gonna be there yeah yeah 125 I'm ready to do it they just pushed it back a month I don't know if you saw yeah it's it's now about a month later hey rolled in some time or may know May it's like May 9th or something like that now so yeah yeah I'm ready yeah everything kind of geared for this this date I've been doing a bunch of Moto's but now the two shirt I bought is going to be wore out in another month [Laughter] hopefully the thing won't be that warm May but like it'll go out there and raised so he's asking me he's like because I think a year or so back they let one of the average kids jump in the 125 Pro race it's like I want to race with the asked her guys but you know it's like they all this whole AMA and amateur and all this BS and I'm like well just do like I think it was Hawkins jumped in there like he rode the regular intermediate but then they let him jump on the line go with the Pro Race and so it'll be fun I don't think anybody cares he's done with Loretta's according to him so I don't have to worry about that whole debacle showing up they're getting turned away but yeah I think it'll it'll be good I plan on being there so hold it we've got one last question how do you want to be remembered in this sport I think just a guy that that's a lot of passion for motorcycling and just everything about it you know it's it's really you explain because I've had guys come to me that I don't even remember though yeah like five years ago you know I had this problem and you came over and you helped me and you dug through your parts and you helped me fix like just that kind of stuff is natural for me yeah I'm always been helpful to anyone and everyone and you know just to be known as a guy that just you know he loved and breathed this sport and you know not the fastest guy and not that he wanted you know this race or that race but a guy that just it's kind of what makes me tick ya know cuz he all the titles in the world nobody's gonna remember how many vet titles I had or that I want to Supercross or not I mean that's that's all kind of secondary I just think that you know meeting somebody at the track park next to them you do that all day every day know so many times and that impression whatever that guy takes away and not by me I'm gonna put on my best you know cuz this guy tell the next girl it's just you know it's just you it's just me and it's it's him you know that guy got up that morning loaded his bike paid money at the gate you know got gas whatever to come and do something that you know we all love and yeah you know yourself I still see you at the track all the time grant you know and it's it's that kind of family without you know using a cliche but it's that fam we all have lived in and you know walked in the same boots and the trenches and so we it kind of gives you that mutual place to stand that everyone just you know it's not easy yeah but well when we had said we were having you on it was a whole list of people saying just how friendly and humble and what a great guy you are and so I think that I put on a good fake facade for keep doing it you could have gone into acting as well yeah hey but thanks so much for coming on yeah I look forward to it I mean ever since grant kind of hit me up at one of the races not Morris or something last summer I'm like oh that would be a lot of fun just cuz you know it's easy yeah it's not a chore at all it's just coming and sharing stories about what you love alright well thank you for having me thanks so much that's Doug dubach stay tuned we'll be back to wrap up the show [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] 4wp is more than a store we're truck and jeep experts from wheel and tire upgrades to full custom bills for WP has you covered do your rig right shop online or find your store at 4 WP com [Music] Shyne maybe that's something I like there's lots more I'm losing I'm starting to back I'm staring at the sky [Music] hey welcome back I was dr. D awesome dude anybody that knows him tell you one of the nicest guys on the planet and definitely a legend in our sport man like I think we were talking about I'm not sure there's anyone's ever ridden more laps than he has and you can you can tell his passion for it is still there which is so cool crazy for me because I'm telling you is like when he was talking all those places that's where I grew up and hung out riding and all those tracks it was just like you know it's like time machine well he he also lived and raced through I think fun time who was the coolest era you know to me the the 80s and into the end of the mid 90s to me that was just well in the 80s and I hate to be so biased but the 80s in Southern California was just a hotbed yeah it was insane like you would just everything was happening right here yeah it's pretty crazy there was basically the Golden State was a national series for sure it just it all happened right here sure you go there you'd see whoever your favorite shows and they'd be riding there yeah well 40 is getting helicoptered into wrap up the championship you know it's important hey want to make a quick shout out to oh gee Oh normally our what's in the bag segment would feature our guests pulling something out of one of our ojio bags however there's nothing in the bag because no stores are open to buy stuff so we'll get to that but go check out oh gee oh and they're full line of backpacks roller bags gear bags vibration hydration packs I always bring that one up well I use with just riding on the trails I wear it every time when I put my spare tube I don't know if you know this but a little tip is and I lent this from guys the offeror guys you got a 21 and a 19 inch wheel but carry a 21 inch tube because you can put a 21 inch front in a rear but not the other way around but you don't need both so I'm like ah good to know and we did it once and yeah put it all my stuff in with my drink and is the tube like wrinkled up and said that they must be yeah everybody's been doing that for a long time okay sorry bubbles and my graphic see this when you're pretty awesome hey our four row parts get at me QA this four parts your one-stop shop for everything off-road so go check those guys out for service parts anything you need for parts as you covered and they've got everything Danya we got four questions today yeah question is it's tough box seemed to be more trouble than they're worth is there a better way to mark the track it seems to take out a lot of guys so they're better than hay bales you know used to be hay bales back in my day and I broke a femur landing on a hay bale those things don't move at all it's like hitting a block of concrete so I've seen tough blocks yes they they do tumblin of the track occasionally and maybe there's a better system for anchoring them down but man I've seen a lot of guys who might have been hurt who landed on a tough block and bounced right up you know it's like an air mattress so I think they could improve the way they're tethered to the ground well but here's what my thought on that is yes we've made progression and the thing is you know if you look at the outdoors you know like at urbis make those plastic stakes and they can make them in different colors and whatever and they could mark the track like that but it comes back to well there's no advertising on those you know for the people that spend a lot of money and be in the series so the tough blocks are more to aesthetically make the track look like it flows and that that's the you know Troy Lee designs corner and that's the powder out corner whatever it may be but to me I think there should be a way it's gonna be that complicated where it's basically say a banner that's two feet tall that has printed both or even just on the outside so it's around the outside of the track and that if you go over it it just bends and pops back up but it's it's just anchored at the ends on into the ground but it's basically on a you know just a spring load or anything that you could go off the track hit it and ride straight back across it and it just goes wing I like that for outdoors but I will say I think it's super cross when you've got lanes going you know right next to each other if you just had steaks or something like it and stop you but here's my fave you guys that flies don't really stop you when guys hit him a lot of times they lose control of the bike I've seen probably more often than not if you did lose control you're gonna have a head-on if there's nothing in your way usually Heath that guy anticipates where you're going to be and you you can avoid it but when you've hit a tough block whistling and you're going into the other Lane with your feet off or your hand off I think that Li so you know we could go back and forth on that but I do think there is a better way and I don't like things that if someone that someone else could clip and it rolls out in front of you and takes you it's happened to me and I'm like but there's been occasions where guys have gone over the bars and landed on the top block and I'm sure a hundred percent okay yeah well speaking of air bags at like Bercy they use air bags I remember the one the one I think is like Oh three or two on the 125 the whoops are pretty big and I thought you know I'm gonna skim them all the way on the left and if things get a little sideways I'm dismounting she's gotta come through a lot bail jump grabbed an air bag bounce and land on the other side of the track and was dodging traffic but it did help but I I think there's a better way so you don't have loose objects which is what they are that can cause other problems what if you what if they each what if they had a nylon loop in each corner and use plastic stakes to pound them into the ground so they kind of anchor to like that and the thing is if you make a mistake that trying to get pushed over the berm you hit those it's happened to me before when they stake them in it causes you to crash because they don't move and you don't hop over the berm maybe you guys should stay on the track it's nice having the problem stay on the track alright look at all those pros out there this year they're battling us down the hey maybe they should stay on the track all right next question we're moving on all right so maybe okay so somebody on the internet wants to know what you guys keep in the garage what do you guys currently ride or like to ride I have a slew of bikes at the moment doing bike builds for vital I've got a yz125 that's about to drop that's insane I've got a KX 450 I have a yz250 F I have a Husqvarna 250 two-stroke let's see and I have a CRF 150 for my wife and a klx 110 for my kids and my husky barn ass part peeling how is that thing to ride is it fun yes so fun you wheelie it or yeah yeah it was a little slow stock but the got all the cat delete system on there and no no not in California yeah I was gonna say no I did anyone from carb is watching now it's good now it comes like a cone pipe different ignition different airbox and it gets it nice my yeah I have a 390 Duke and it rips pretty good too same thing I made some slight modifications but it rips I have a yz250 that I got from the auction that was a pile of and brought that back to life which has been fun but just had a big and bearing go out and it's had to tear that apart like videos now the damage I have a 450 Yamaha I have a ZX 10 which is my track bike and then I have a bunch of like vintage bikes that me and my dad either work on play with the plan and restore our story we have restored like some actually the kids ride around every now and then I got the old room the z50 the monkey box you've seen I've got a couple yeah yeah stored and is thinking about getting one of those from you they're so fun you should I have five I don't need that many but yeah yeah so I have just like a little variety of all kinds of bikes I go over to his house one time and there's like four in a shed and I'm like what are these oh yeah I'm gonna I'm working on them one day one day that taste I think come and gone so now yeah like most people I've gotten carried away I have I mean I have an 86 cr250 I mean I have a can-am in 1980 1km I have a 79 Cowie you know a lot of these are just fun things that I don't ride but the bikes that I ride are pretty much either a two stroke for stroke or a couple street bikes you got that Oh what your is your super motor bike I saw it over there the shop oh it's a 404 yeah for me that thing looks amazing yeah the big Brembo yeah yeah Hal appears on the front and it's pretty sweet yeah so I got some toys I have more toys and act I do riding time so I know that's brought my and then the other problem is since we deal with having the e bikes in the garage it's kind of convenient because my mountain bikes got got a promotion to the kids so they always want to go ride and hit the trails on that and I'm like yeah I got the ebike yeah let's go Oh battery's dead sorry I'm out yeah but yeah it's it's nice have all the toys yeah not gonna lie all right though we got yeah so we got that's our four wheel parts get at me QA send us questions on Instagram or Twitter I'll answer them right here on the show and that is our show speaking of the show thank you to Yamaha thank you to Power dot 20% off over there using our code method race wheels 20% off truly designs SK da get over and check out our whiskey throttle show graphics over there 20% off as well Dunlop tires for wheel parts adidas pro-circuit nihilo concepts get your free gift over there buying anything I recommend lever grip the frame tape the throttle housings that are all billet and the pegs if you're looking for some real sweet bling see concepts go check those guys out to amazing seats best in the business period fire department coffee 20% off using whiskey throttle as your code specialized og oh and thanks to paleo ranch foods get over there and check those guys out there available Walmart now you can pick them up there or Amazon and Langston Motorsports that's our show gentlemen thank you thank you we'll be back when we can get back you guys have a good one and we'll catch you on the next show [Music] [Music] [Music]

Channel: The Whiskey Throttle Show

Views: 20,626

Rating: 4.762846 out of 5

Keywords: Doug Dubach, Dirt Bikes, Yamaha, Supercross, Motocross, Podcast, Intervies, Action Sports, Motorsports

Id: JD4sXM0XB30

Length: 234min 23sec (14063 seconds)

Published: Fri Mar 27 2020